New Trinity/HTC p3600i

[MontAlbert]

Yep, everyone here in oz is talking about this- no places are stocking the Dopod D810 anymore as they cant get it.....

apparently within the next few weeks a new HTC P3600i will be released with more memory and a faster processor......

not sure if this is fiction or not but sounds good- strange though that they would release it here before anywhere else... we always seem to get technology like this about 6-12months after everywhere else (we only got electricity last week! :D )...... no iphone until late this year.... etc....

personally i think that it is just a rebranding of the current Dopod D810? Anyone from here who has good sources can confirm this?

look at the post halfway down the page here- one guy buying a heap from 3 has been told of the P3600i....:
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=658349&p=-1#bottom

[Moaske]

Personally I think it's just a rebranding ... cause the latest official Dopod WM6 ROM (we all jumped on ;) ) states "HTC_P3600i" in the 'About' screen...
Or....in the case of a real P3600i, this would explain why there are some issues with this Dopod ROM on a regular P3600...

Hmz.. :cool:

[dnts]

HTC is updating the Trinity with a 500MHz processor and larger memory. Also known as CHT9110 (our P3600 is CHT9100) in Taiwan and offered for about 20% price increase.

[maevro]

Why would they do this when HTC is unveiling a few new phones in a few months? To me the Polaris is the phone to get.....

[anonimo]

Why would they do this when HTC is unveiling a few new phones in a few months? To me the Polaris is the phone to get.....

I don't see a 3G small (i.e. without keyboard) phone with GPS in the HTC roadmap so maybe there's room for an improved P3600.

[blinkingLEDs]

this will be my next phone if htc release it in europe.

[maevro]

I don't see a 3G small (i.e. without keyboard) phone with GPS in the HTC roadmap so maybe there's room for an improved P3600.

Huh? The Polaris is the same exact phone as the 3300 but with 3G. It has a 2.8" screen, not a 3.5" screen, that was a typo. I have spec screen shots of the Polaris and it looks great.

Look at my ActiveSync, one of the choices is HTC P3600i

[evilgabbie]

after flashing my trinity w/ Dopod's official WM6 ROM, activesync detects it as a P3600i already

[Rudegar]

it seem soo pc'ish to be willing to replace a device to get 100Mhz more :P
battery life is more importent
more so if one like to be online with messenger with 3g while on the move

i dont see much real world change in that

polaris seems like a pretty cool device imho

[maxnz]

Yep it may be rebranded as HTC P3600i or Dopod810x anyway from what I have seen so far in some Asian websites (HTC P3600 = CHT9100 and the HTC P3600i = CHT9110)

the new specifications may be:

Windows Mobile 6 Professional
Samsung 500Mhz CPU
256MB ROM/64MB RAM

All the rest should remain the same as the previous model.


I can't say that it is 100% sure but you can still have a look at:

http://mobile.163.com/07/0718/10/3JM8DP840011179O.html

below all the pictures.

One big question remain, how much will this new model cost?

[Guybrush]

I wish 128 Mb RAM

[maevro]

I wish 128 Mb RAM

Exactly.

You would think if there really was an upgrade you would have heard about it. I mean the Artemis is getting an upgrade and we are hearing an official announcement and they gave it 128mb of RAM.

Edit: It does exist...

http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=224&t=356845

[mwang]

I wish 128 Mb RAM


its 64RAM see here http://203.84.199.31/language/translatedPage?tt=url&.intl=tw&text=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.asia.htc.com%2Fasia%2Ftw%2Fp roducts%2Fpda_CHT9110%2Fpda_CHT9110_fea.html&lp=zt_en

[Guybrush]

it's still a preproducton.. maybe they will change 128 Mb :)

[ww2250]

128M of RAM would definitely cause battery to drainer much quicker - unless they upgrade the battery too.

[tallPete]

It really does exist!

Here is the preordering page at a shop here in town.

The price is $1099 AUD.

http://www.ow.com.au/Customer-Assistance/HTC-P3600i-3G-GPS-Pocket-PC

[woja53]

Yep guyz and guyesses. The latest 3 Three cattledog inside back cover shows and lists the HTC P3600i available on a $49 plan for $32 per month. Now that's $4 less than the Dopod D810 albeit on a $29 plan.

Organizer world have it listed also at $1099 due in about 10 days or so.
Extra ram and 500 processor and my favorite a built in GPS receiver.
Just tought you would like to know that it really is happening!
woja

[woja53]

Actually I reckon that the HTC Kaiser will be the one to wait for coz it's got lots of goodies incuding a keyboard which sits at an angle, has a great and worthwhile camera etc but I don't think it has GPS. There are reviws on the web.
woja

[maevro]

Actually I reckon that the HTC Kaiser will be the one to wait for coz it's got lots of goodies incuding a keyboard which sits at an angle, has a great and worthwhile camera etc but I don't think it has GPS. There are reviws on the web.
woja

This is your opinion. I have used the Kaiser and as great of a phone it is, IT IS NOT FOR EVERYONE.

I dislike slide out keyboards as I have had 2 phones like this and got rid of them both. I also dislike heavy phones and this phone is one of the heaviest phones I have held in a while.

Anyway, why would you post about the Kaiser in this thread? If anything, I would be waiting for the Polaris personally, not the Kaiser.

[Chris_topher]

http://www.mobilewhack.com/-htc-touch-cht9110-phone/

is the CHT a D810 w/ Touch interface?

[saminegm]

Why would they do this when HTC is unveiling a few new phones in a few months? To me the Polaris is the phone to get.....

I second that. Polaris has all we need.

[ladjo]

Hi there ;o)
I have bveen using PDA´s fore years now, at th moment still hanging on to my HP HX4700... But looking fore a replacement, my first Windows mobile. Will miss the VGA screen if not included in the Polaris, but then again Trinity will be much cheaper...

Does anyone know the difference between the Samsung and Qualcom CPU ? Trinity vs. Polaris;o)

And how good is the reseption in Trinity. Does it miss or loose calls more than other phones. Both before and after updating to WM6.

Will it be worth wating for the Polaris ?

[MontAlbert]

yeah, polaris looks awesome.... a friend of mine got a p3300. great phone but lacks 3G, plus is a slower processor..... now it has a faster processor, plus is now 3G. Rumour has it it also has touchflo due to the flush screen.....

But i do love my trinity- all it needs is more storage and an FM radio to be absolutely perfect. I really miss the chance to listen to the mighty CATS kicking butt while I am in the gym!!

Wonder if they will do that? or is the p3600i the only upgrade we will see for the trinity?

[ingenious]

Hm, I don't understand why you are all waiting so impatiently for the Polaris... Have you tried the front wheel of the P3300? It's awful! It gives only 2 + 1 ways of navigation in contrast to the D-Pad, which has 4 + 1. It is really inconvenient. Plus, the Polaris will be much larger.

Better go for XDA Flame - it's a beast. I'll be waiting fro P3600i..

[demon83ft]

Hi All,

Anybody can get some "inside info" from HTC,whether this will ever be launched in Europe?
I just decided to buy myself an HTC pda and this one looks the best choice (I don't like QWERTY - though the Kaiser beats this baby in video). I have the money and I'm dying to get my hands on one of these. :(

Thanks,
Robert

[Guybrush]

Don't seem europe will release p3600i...

[ingenious]

Don't seem europe will release p3600i...

Hopefully eBay will ;)

[Baronic]

buying one tonight here in Malaysia

[ianl8888]

buying one tonight here in Malaysia

Already bought one here in Aus.

My comment: DO NOT BUY

Why ? Because there is NO Assisted GPS satellite location updates. A cold start takes 20+ minutes to fix on the sats. Who in their right mind would wait for over 20 mins in their car to get a fix to use satnav ???

[nealed]

Already bought one here in Aus.

My comment: DO NOT BUY

Why ? Because there is NO Assisted GPS satellite location updates. A cold start takes 20+ minutes to fix on the sats. Who in their right mind would wait for over 20 mins in their car to get a fix to use satnav ???

It's the same chipset as the P3600 - which I get a cold fix from in 1-2 mins. I reckon you've got a defective unit

[demon83ft]

Don't seem europe will release p3600i...

http://www.mobileplanet.com/p.aspx?i=156076 (http://www.mobileplanet.com/p.aspx?i=156076)

Yupeeee, it's spreading! US has it Europe must be next!!

Already bought one here in Aus.

My comment: DO NOT BUY
Why ? Because there is NO Assisted GPS satellite location updates. A cold start takes 20+ minutes to fix on the sats. Who in their right mind would wait for over 20 mins in their car to get a fix to use satnav ???

P3600's GPS is one of the finest integrated GPS chips along with the SirfStar III , at least this is how people keep speaking about their P3600. I didn't stumble on any complaints yet on the Qualcomm GPSOne.

[chunga168]

Already bought one here in Aus.

My comment: DO NOT BUY

Why ? Because there is NO Assisted GPS satellite location updates. A cold start takes 20+ minutes to fix on the sats. Who in their right mind would wait for over 20 mins in their car to get a fix to use satnav ???
Like above posters, cold lock takes 1-2 mins outdoor... warm one takes less than 30 secs

[tallPete]

Like above posters, cold lock takes 1-2 mins outdoor... warm one takes less than 30 secs

Yes, I own a new P3600i as well - GPS lock the first time takes 2-3 mins, as it does on all GPS's I believe as it has to work out where you are in the world, work out what satellites it can listen too.

After this it takes 30 secs to 1 min with wide sky views.

I'm very happy with the GPS on this unit - it is the main reason I bought it, and don't want assisted GPS as I don't have or need a data plan.

Cheers.

[ianl8888]

Yes, I own a new P3600i as well - GPS lock the first time takes 2-3 mins, as it does on all GPS's I believe as it has to work out where you are in the world, work out what satellites it can listen too.

After this it takes 30 secs to 1 min with wide sky views.

I'm very happy with the GPS on this unit - it is the main reason I bought it, and don't want assisted GPS as I don't have or need a data plan.

Cheers.

Hmmm ... how to answer with this ?

1) downloading ephemeris data for AGPS takes about 30 seconds every 7 days. It can be done through wifi, gprs. Not at all a costly or difficult activity, and HP have done it for over 3 years with their globallocate chipset

2) A SiRFIII chipset with updated AGPS takes less than 20 seconds from a cold start, even in cloudy/rainy conditions in locations you have never been before. The P3600i Qualcomm chipset takes FOREVER (not 1-2 mins, but 15-20 mins)

3) Now try this scenario (I have tried this with both GPS chipsets side by side) - you have visited friends in an unfamiliar location, you are now leaving, it is dark and raining and cold, and you now need to find your way back out to a familiar highway in order to go home.

Now sit in your car out of the rain and choose your weapon ...

The P3600i is a great device in that the CPU is fast & the 256Mb ROM is a blessing. But the lack of AGPS kills it - choose a soon-to-be released ETEN X800.

Yes, I have engaged in "dialogue" with HTC Support over this issue, but I feel their stupid marketing has mis-identified their "demographic"

[soupiejr]

My 3600i hooks up within 2 minutes, cold start. Have you got tall buildings or trees blocking your view of the sky, maybe? I've never heard of a GPS unit taking 15 mins to get a fix. If it takes more than 10 mins, it's never going to get it.

I've discovered though that it's sometimes harder for the unit to get a fix if it's moving rapidly, so maybe that's why?

[nealed]

Hmmm ... how to answer with this ?

1) downloading ephemeris data for AGPS takes about 30 seconds every 7 days. It can be done through wifi, gprs. Not at all a costly or difficult activity, and HP have done it for over 3 years with their globallocate chipset

2) A SiRFIII chipset with updated AGPS takes less than 20 seconds from a cold start, even in cloudy/rainy conditions in locations you have never been before. The P3600i Qualcomm chipset takes FOREVER (not 1-2 mins, but 15-20 mins)

3) Now try this scenario (I have tried this with both GPS chipsets side by side) - you have visited friends in an unfamiliar location, you are now leaving, it is dark and raining and cold, and you now need to find your way back out to a familiar highway in order to go home.

Now sit in your car out of the rain and choose your weapon ...

The P3600i is a great device in that the CPU is fast & the 256Mb ROM is a blessing. But the lack of AGPS kills it - choose a soon-to-be released ETEN X800.

Yes, I have engaged in "dialogue" with HTC Support over this issue, but I feel their stupid marketing has mis-identified their "demographic"

If everyone is disagreeing with you regarding the tttf ON THE QUALCOMM p3600I CHIPSET, do you not think, as I suggested, that you have a defective unit. Nobody thinks that 15-20mintes for a fix is acceptable - and it appears that nobody else is having the same experiences with regard fix times. Not to say that you're not experiencing what you say - that would be to call you a liar - but the 15-20 minute fix is not a problem with the chipset persay but a problem with your unit.

That much seems blatantly obvious to me in view of other posts in this thread and in plenty of others.

Try flashing a different radio if you can (may not yet be possible?). Or even just hard resetting your phone. It should take between 30seconds and 3 minutes (longest I've ever waited is 3 1/2 minutes). If it ever takes longer than that, I soft reset and it sorts it out.

[ingenious]

Does anybody know when P3600i will be available in Europe? 10x

[ianl8888]

My 3600i hooks up within 2 minutes, cold start. Have you got tall buildings or trees blocking your view of the sky, maybe? I've never heard of a GPS unit taking 15 mins to get a fix. If it takes more than 10 mins, it's never going to get it.

I've discovered though that it's sometimes harder for the unit to get a fix if it's moving rapidly, so maybe that's why?

No, none of those things.

I've been using handheld GPS for over 3 years now. The P3600i has the *worst* - bar none - cold start timing I've ever experienced.

As I've said, I've put the Eten X500 and the P3600i exactly side-by-side (same time, same conditions) for cold starts. The X500 (AGPS) about 70 seconds; the P3600i (no AGPS) 7min 40 seconds. I've repeated this each morning for a week now and the results are exactly the same every time.

[ingenious]

No, none of those things.

I've been using handheld GPS for over 3 years now. The P3600i has the *worst* - bar none - cold start timing I've ever experienced.

As I've said, I've put the Eten X500 and the P3600i exactly side-by-side (same time, same conditions) for cold starts. The X500 (AGPS) about 70 seconds; the P3600i (no AGPS) 7min 40 seconds. I've repeated this each morning for a week now and the results are exactly the same every time.

Well, the AGPS requires internet connection and does make some traffic, doesn't it? So the hardware itself performs exactly the same.

[nealed]

No, none of those things.

I've been using handheld GPS for over 3 years now. The P3600i has the *worst* - bar none - cold start timing I've ever experienced.

As I've said, I've put the Eten X500 and the P3600i exactly side-by-side (same time, same conditions) for cold starts. The X500 (AGPS) about 70 seconds; the P3600i (no AGPS) 7min 40 seconds. I've repeated this each morning for a week now and the results are exactly the same every time.

How can I put this: you must have a defect unit. Did you try any of my suggestions in post #36. You repeatedly insist on the fact that the P3600i is the worst without heeding anyone's suggestions.

I have used GPS devices for several years and feel strongly that the P3600 is a good performer.

At least respond when people try to help.

I reckon you work for Eten and are trying to drum up some interest for your crappily built products.:D

[Dadowizard]

:eek: Already bought one here in Aus.

My comment: DO NOT BUY

Why ? Because there is NO Assisted GPS satellite location updates. A cold start takes 20+ minutes to fix on the sats. Who in their right mind would wait for over 20 mins in their car to get a fix to use satnav ???

I am very suprised you are so unhappy with the P3600i. I pre-ordered mine about 4 months ago and finally got it about 2 weeks ago when they were released in Australia.

I am using it on Vodafones' 3G network and utilising TomTom 6.030. Cold Start Sat fix time is about 1-2 mins max, warm start is about 10-30 seconds everytime.

I agree with others that you must have a defective unit. Those start times are from Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne and Perth, all cities that I frequent almost weekly (grrrr - I HATE FLYING!!!).

I know if there is an issue with your P3600i, Brightpoint will happily exchange the unit.

BTW, I would love to see a pic of your Eten and P3600i side by side to compare size, etc. As you say you have both these units, perhaps you could arrange this photo for me?

Thanks!

DW

[-IK-]

Just ran TomTom 6 on my P3600 indoors. Haven't used the GPS on my phone for about a week.

TTF took 1.5 minutes.

ianl8888 listen to what people are telling you and get your unit replaced. It's that simple. You don't need to keep saying the GPS on the P3600 series phones is crap.

None of us agree with you :D

[ianl8888]

Just ran TomTom 6 on my P3600 indoors. Haven't used the GPS on my phone for about a week.

TTF took 1.5 minutes.

ianl8888 listen to what people are telling you and get your unit replaced. It's that simple. You don't need to keep saying the GPS on the P3600 series phones is crap.

None of us agree with you :D

Fair enough - we DISAGREE !! I'll cry myself to sleep now :cool:

The rest of the unit seems OK (the 500Mhz CPU is excellent and the 256Mb ROM is a blessing), but the GPS is crap. I've compared it directly, side by side, with a SiRFIII chipset. Last time !!

Now we've settled that, how do we upgrade ROM's ? Way more interesting subject ... Some of the cooked ROM's that have been produced on this website are awesome.

[ingenious]

How can I get this device here in Europe? Has anyone already got it some way?

[demon83ft]

I made my cousin pick one up in US and bring it back on sept 30 :D.

http://www.expansys.com.hk/ is shipping to Europe
http://www.mobileplanet.com is also shipping to Europe.

[gallevy]

I made my cousin pick one up in US and bring it back on sept 30 :D.

http://www.expansys.com.hk/ is shipping to Europe
http://www.mobileplanet.com is also shipping to Europe.

This is the new? with the new 500 proccessor? and wm6?
look here in the Technical Details its look like the p3600 not p3600i
http://www.mobileplanet.com/d.aspx?i=156076

[ingenious]

This is the new? with the new 500 proccessor? and wm6?
look here in the Technical Details its look like the p3600 not p3600i
http://www.mobileplanet.com/d.aspx?i=156076

Hm, you are right... Hopefully they haven't updated the specs..

[demon83ft]

Hm, you are right... Hopefully they haven't updated the specs..

Just think ....
They are selling the P3600 too on the same website with $599.
It's pretty clear they have P3600i, they just never bothered with correcting the specs as they are very similar.

;)

[ssamth2003]

pls help, how to unlock CID, i need to flash WWE rom. mine is Chinese rom. try with the process of unlock D810..but its semm not use for P3600I (D810X, CHT9110...etc)

[nealed]

Fair enough - we DISAGREE !! I'll cry myself to sleep now :cool:

The rest of the unit seems OK (the 500Mhz CPU is excellent and the 256Mb ROM is a blessing), but the GPS is crap. I've compared it directly, side by side, with a SiRFIII chipset. Last time !! Now we've settled that...

I can't believe you! Everyone here is trying to help. Nobody else's experience of the GPS is the same as yours. So what everyone is saying is either 1. you're lying (in fact nobody is saying that at all) or 2. Your particular phone must have a defect - because the TTTF time is unacceptable. what's to disagree. Do you think everyone else is lying when they talk about their fix times?

[gallevy]

You think its unlocked?

[gallevy]

Just think ....
They are selling the P3600 too on the same website with $599.
It's pretty clear they have P3600i, they just never bothered with correcting the specs as they are very similar.

;)

you think its unlocked?

[demon83ft]

you think its unlocked?

I have no idea. Even if it's not, it has WM6 out of the box, which is enough to play with untill the mighty developers around these forums will crack it.
It's my first PDA so I can play a lot with it untill I will change the ROM and stuff :)

Ohhh ,can't wait to get mine!

22 days left :D

[gallevy]

I have no idea. Even if it's not, it has WM6 out of the box, which is enough to play with untill the mighty developers around these forums will crack it.
It's my first PDA so I can play a lot with it untill I will change the ROM and stuff :)

Ohhh ,can't wait to get mine!

22 days left :D

But it will work in orange israel?

[ianl8888]

I can't believe you! Everyone here is trying to help. Nobody else's experience of the GPS is the same as yours. So what everyone is saying is either 1. you're lying (in fact nobody is saying that at all) or 2. Your particular phone must have a defect - because the TTTF time is unacceptable. what's to disagree. Do you think everyone else is lying when they talk about their fix times?

This accusation is hardly worth further comment. It's a pity, since this site offers a swathe of interesting potential.

Of course I don't think people are lying, of course I know they are trying to help, but ~5 replies on a new device model (albeit based on an older one) is not statistically sufficient for a reliable diagnosis.

A similar problem arose with the ETEN X500 GPS antenna - because some undetermined sub-set of the retailed stock experienced disconnection of the antenna, the only really safe decision was to purchase something else.

I'm negotiating with HTC Sydney on this issue. Maybe something will come of it. Obviously nothing more may come of it here.

So, as I've said, we will disagree and move on. I sure won't post again on this issue here unless HTC do come up with an AGPS program. Sydney is vaguely muttering about this as they have now tested a sample of their stock and found the same issue I did, although they would not inform me of their sample size. There is also a mutter about simply replacing the device on warranty, but one might be forgiven for wondering whether the issue would just be repeated.

And you will note that I am enthusiastic about the grunt of the 500Mhz CPU, the 256Mb ROM and the demon speed of the WLAN. If indeed it is a faulty unit in some way, then you must wonder about how widespread that is in the retail production run.

[mlai]

I had similar problems with the GPS on my P3600i: takes forever (>8mins) to get a fix on cold start even with 8 sats @80% strength in view, long time to obtain a fix on cold start (>2 mins), erratic positions on Mapking (wrong road and directions....)

Couple things I did to the machine which helped a bit.

1) Disable the centrally managed GPS stream. Do this via Settings>System>External GPS>Access>Uncheck manage GPS automatically.

2) In Mapking, go to GPS Settings: Select by user, Com9: and set Baudrate to 115200.

Helped my machine a bit. Your mileague may vary, though......

PS. If 115200 still doesn't work, try set it LOWER. I am getting better results and faster FTTF at 9600, presumably because the machine have more time to process each piece of data it receives from the GPS.....

[gallevy]

You think Its unlocked? it will work in any network?

[demon83ft]

But it will work in orange israel?

The HTC branded units shouldn't be locked.
That would be just plain stupid.

[skyguard]

Hi All!

Do you guys know if infamous "paint peeling problem" exist with 3600i?

Thanx,

MAX

[dsbaer]

Well after meandering around after my TyTn to the Ubiquio 503G (the worst made phone ever), the Dopod C730 (great phone but missed the touchscreen), I settled down on the P3600i. I have owned her for approximately 24 hours now, and here are the preliminary impressions.

Processor: The Samsung 500mhz is by far the fastest processor, I've worked with (besides a bad experience with a Imate JasJar). Haven't found a way to slow it down, even with multiple programs. I'll try video next.

GPS: Needs to have a pretty clear shot to catch that first fix--averaged about 1 minute or so with the cold start, then real fast (20 seconds) for a warm start.

The 256MB stomach of the beast: OK, this is really what sold me on the "i" instead of the plain vanilla. I have Microsoft live search, google maps, macromedia flash, seven SPB skins, Skype, opera, mobilelink satellite radio, SPB GPRS monitor, full keyboard, Insight, Weather, Time, Phone Suite, Mobile Shell; and voice commander on this bad boy. All installed on the mains and still have 137MB left to play with. Don't know what is going on next...

MiniSD: I have a Kingston 4GB SDHC (class 6). Plug in. Works. What can I say, I have 4GB on this badboy.

Paint: Haven't noticed anything yet. Plan on using a Sena case, so it's not going to have the opporunity to scuff much.

3G/UMTS: Getting consistent download speeds (from dslreports.com) of 900 or above. With wifi, its more like 1.5. Not quite broadband speeds, but fine for tethering.

Battery: OK, yesterday was not a fair assessment. I spent every living moment on it from about noon until 0700 the next morning (actually with about 5 hours of sleep). Predict that I could get around two days with my normal use. Still better than the Dopod C730.

That's it. The mini-review. Get a P3600i and enjoy.

[mightyox]

Hi dsbaer,
Can you tell me if the 64MB RAM is enough as I am now deciding whether to get the P3600i or the Kaiser. I have the Atom and the memory always go low (with no active apps) after a few days and need to reboot.

[john.smith]

I just wanted to say it is not uncommon to have 10mins+ to get the first tix if you're in urban areas and if you have a built-in GPS device. The results are noticeably better with an external GPS receiver, an AGPS PDA or at least a GPS antenna attached to your PDA.

It all depends on your location, the weather, buildings surrounding you and so on.

[ianl8888]

I just wanted to say it is not uncommon to have 10mins+ to get the first tix if you're in urban areas and if you have a built-in GPS device. The results are noticeably better with an external GPS receiver, an AGPS PDA or at least a GPS antenna attached to your PDA.

It all depends on your location, the weather, buildings surrounding you and so on.

Thank you for your post.

Although I had sworn not to bother with this topic after Nealed's silly outburst, a number of people have posted this type of information.

The Qualcomm GPSone chipset "cold start" is really MickeyMouse:

http://www.gpspassion.com/fr/articles.asp?id=175&page=6

HTC Sydney have admitted this to me ("this is for business" and meant for satnav like TomTom). We have now tested my unit device - nothing wrong, works as it should (ie. crap cold start). When I asked them what "business" means, I got one of those vomitous marketing answers (ie. whatever we can sell to people who don't know the difference).

SirFIII with AGPS works on cold starts very rapidly. I have tried both side-by-side simultaneously with many programs, so I know the results !!

I use the GPS for professional mapping (for a living). GPSone cold start times are embarrassing at times, although hot fixes are very good indeed. My solution is now 2-fold:

1) turn the GPS program on in the vehicle at least 10 minutes before I need a site mapping fix

2) when the ETEN X800 is released and tested OK, e-Bay the P3600i and aquire the X800.

[saminegm]

Thank you for your post.

Although I had sworn not to bother with this topic after Nealed's silly outburst, a number of people have posted this type of information.

The Qualcomm GPSone chipset "cold start" is really MickeyMouse:

http://www.gpspassion.com/fr/articles.asp?id=175&page=6

HTC Sydney have admitted this to me ("this is for business" and meant for satnav like TomTom). We have now tested my unit device - nothing wrong, works as it should (ie. crap cold start). When I asked them what "business" means, I got one of those vomitous marketing answers (ie. whatever we can sell to people who don't know the difference).

SirFIII with AGPS works on cold starts very rapidly. I have tried both side-by-side simultaneously with many programs, so I know the results !!

I use the GPS for professional mapping (for a living). GPSone cold start times are embarrassing at times, although hot fixes are very good indeed. My solution is now 2-fold:

1) turn the GPS program on in the vehicle at least 10 minutes before I need a site mapping fix

2) when the ETEN X800 is released and tested OK, e-Bay the P3600i and aquire the X800.

Good to see you moving on. Hope you get a non-defective ETEN.

[mxlaser]

OK, well putting my two cents worth (having now had the P3600i for a month+ )

In Melbourne, i get cold GPS fix in umder 90seconds, every time. In Sydney CBD, again, exactly same thing.

In Blue Mountains, gets fix in under 60 seconds.

Hotfixes average 10-20 seconds.

Never misses a beat for me, and has never been more than 2 mins to get a fix, that IMO is defective. Regardless of what BS HTC may spin, its 'your' legal right to have the store you bought it from to refund you, as its not fit for the purpose it was sold for. The argument being, that NO current GPS takes 10 minutes for a fix.

Has anyone had "ANY" progress on flashing the P3600i?? still using stock here, but would love to at least update radio.

[ianl8888]

Good to see you moving on. Hope you get a non-defective ETEN.

Well, I'll try

It's been a pleasure !!

I see no-one here has addressed the GPSPassion article - I wonder why ?

[mxlaser]

Beacuse, that GPS Passion "article" (i use that word lightly) is about as useful as a fart in a Jacuzzi.

My GPS fix heavily differs depending on my radio. If i use radio 1.38.0.11 (which is the likely rom used due tot he date of the article) then my fix is 3-6 mins.

Using the latest 1.48.30.11 in Aus, my fix is under 90 seconds, every time, wether in heavy CBD area's or outside in the sun.

So, its not been address as its 6 months old, out of date and absolutly useless as a comparison.

You may as well compare a horse drawn carrage to a Ferrari Enzo for what its worth.

Mind you, continue your whining as clearly you have absolutly no idea as if i had the same defective handset you have it would of been replaced for one that work, like mine. Also as i sell these, and in the past month have personally setup and tested over 300 of the P3600i's for our customers, and all have performed the same, and not had a retuarn (yet) i can only assume the information from either you or HTC is BS and theres not an issue, simply you swallowing a bit of BS from them to fob you off..

and looks like it worked.

[gallevy]

Hi all
In two sites there is p3600i for sale but Didnt "unlocked" what is the diffrent for me? it will work with every sim?
http://www.elite-electronix.com/product_info.php?products_id=1299

[steliosthem]

Ok, I'm confused is 3600i such a crapy pda+gps?
And if so isn't 3600 too?

Is there any chance some of you might be exaggerating?

Could these problems with the gps exist because 3600i is new to the market?

[mxlaser]

The P3600i is exactly the same as the P3600 just more memory and slightly faster CPU. outside that, its the same as the P3600/Dopod D810 which has been out a good while.

The only thing it is, is either user stupidity and error, or defective. Originally i'd of said defective now... :rolleyes:

[ozsmac]

Hi All,

I got my new HTC 3600i phone about four days ago, upgrade from Atom Exec (& many more before this). Firstly i'm 100% happy with the phone, it's the most stable & solid unit i've ever owned (tracing all the way back to my first Casiopeia E-10).

As for GPS fix, my experience on three of these handsets so far:

Cold start never more than 2 minutes yet
Hot start never more than 15 seconds (even inside)

ROM 3.00.707.18
Radio 1.46.30.11
TomTom v 6.010 (7720)

[ianl8888]

Beacuse, that GPS Passion "article" (i use that word lightly) is about as useful as a fart in a Jacuzzi.

My GPS fix heavily differs depending on my radio. If i use radio 1.38.0.11 (which is the likely rom used due tot he date of the article) then my fix is 3-6 mins.

Using the latest 1.48.30.11 in Aus, my fix is under 90 seconds, every time, wether in heavy CBD area's or outside in the sun.

So, its not been address as its 6 months old, out of date and absolutly useless as a comparison.

You may as well compare a horse drawn carrage to a Ferrari Enzo for what its worth.

Mind you, continue your whining as clearly you have absolutly no idea as if i had the same defective handset you have it would of been replaced for one that work, like mine. Also as i sell these, and in the past month have personally setup and tested over 300 of the P3600i's for our customers, and all have performed the same, and not had a retuarn (yet) i can only assume the information from either you or HTC is BS and theres not an issue, simply you swallowing a bit of BS from them to fob you off..

and looks like it worked.

Ho hum

http://www.cdmatech.com/products/gpsone.jsp

BTW, are you from FIAT (=fix it again, tony)

[guinevere]

Hi All,

I'm in australia and I'm seriously considering selling my O2 Xda Exec (universal). I have been an active member in the Universal section of this site for a while now.

I am with 3 hutchinson and thinking to get the P3600i, everthing sounds great so far from what I have read and it doesnt seem that the GPS is an issue either.

But

Biggest draw back will be going backwards in screen res to 320x240 as aposed to the 640 x 480 on my universal. I dont mind having the small screen as one of the main reasons I am thinking of making the change is to just have a smaller overall PDA that can actually fit in my pocket. Anyway...my concern is that I will be unhappy with the loss of clarity and smoothness in display that my Uni has.

Anyone here who had a Universal or similar spec Pda can comment on how they found the transition?

Thanks

[mxlaser]

Ho hum

http://www.cdmatech.com/products/gpsone.jsp

BTW, are you from FIAT (=fix it again, tony)

Sorry, absolutly no idea what you want/mean from that link?

Yes, its GPSone?? but of what relevance is that to me saying the other guys effectively a tool who can't stand up for himself and face facts his PDA is working right??

[mickeytwist]

I'm not an expert by any means but i dont think its being re-branded - though its hard o find much info. Gsm arena's usually pretty good any theres a decent review at http://www.timtechs.com/unlocked-htc-p3600i-phone-prd182.html but cant find videos of it anywhere.

[Andych]

I'm not an expert by any means but i dont think its being re-branded - though its hard o find much info. Gsm arena's usually pretty good any theres a decent review at http://www.timtechs.com/unlocked-htc-p3600i-phone-prd182.html but cant find videos of it anywhere.

Not sure what you are talking about with that post??????
What isn't being rebranded?

[ron1004]

I've had my P3600i for a few months now and it performs well in all areas including the GPS fix.
I traveled from China to SA and back to China, and when starting TomTom for the first time in each location the fix takes + - 5 min's, but subsequent cold starts take + - 1 min, and warm starts 5 ~ 20 seconds.

The TyTyn II has caught my eye, but I'm not sure I need the keyboard and the small size increase that goes with it.
I think I'll just stick with my P3600i for now.