GPS to be unlocked by Sprint in Q4

[kmartburrito]

I was told by my friend who works at Sprint today that they will be unlocking the GPS in Quarter 4 of this year.

She said that originally they did not unlock it as they were having issues with the hardware and software, but are prepping to unlock it soon to us.

Sorry if this has been put out there already, but thought I would share what I heard. hopeful anyway, huh?

:D

[Dishe]

Is this guy a reliable source of info? Or is he a rep who hears stuff through the grapevine like the rest of us? (I've heard some crazy misunderstood info coming from people who "work for sprint")

Over at ppcgeeks.com someone dissasembled their Mogul and the general conclusion was that the GPS had been disabled via hardware, although they admit they're not sure.

The rumor also was that it would be available to us with the Rev A update due to come out soon. Although no one knew for sure where this info came from. Could be someone made it up, wishful thinking.

So, yes, this rumor has been around, but we're still waiting for someone to actually confirm it.

Honestly, I'll beleive it when I see it.

[kmartburrito]

Is this guy a reliable source of info? Or is he a rep who hears stuff through the grapevine like the rest of us? (I've heard some crazy misunderstood info coming from people who "work for sprint")

Over at ppcgeeks.com someone dissasembled their Mogul and the general conclusion was that the GPS had been disabled via hardware, although they admit they're not sure.

The rumor also was that it would be available to us with the Rev A update due to come out soon. Although no one knew for sure where this info came from. Could be someone made it up, wishful thinking.

So, yes, this rumor has been around, but we're still waiting for someone to actually confirm it.

Honestly, I'll beleive it when I see it.

This person is a software engineer at Sprint, and she said that the reason they didn't have it unlocked in the beginning was due to a hardware/software conflict, but that it will be unlocked in an upcoming ROM update. She said that Sprint had announced it somewhere internally.

[poporo]

I have a few contacts in sprint, I'll try verifying this tommorow :)

[rambo6]

From what I understand, the Mogul has A-GPS. This is the same GPS that allows them to find you if you make an emergency call. It does not work off sattelites but rather from cell towers.
On the bright side, it shares the same Qualcomm 7200 chip that the Kaiser will use.
Some maintain that the Kaiser has built in GPS, others claim it has no satellite antenna and requires an external antenna.
Sprint originally advertised the phone as having GPS. Now that has been removed from their advertisement.
It will be ineresting to see what will happen with the evdo rev. a upgrade later this year.

[TC1]

From what I understand, the Mogul has A-GPS. This is the same GPS that allows them to find you if you make an emergency call. It does not work off sattelites but rather from cell towers.


Exactly. The bottom line from what I understand is that the Mogul does not have the built-in hardware to do full GPS that will work with independent mapping software (Google, etc).

[dew.man]

This is getting a bit old - people claiming that A-GPS does not work off satellites.

Please do some research before posting this type of mis-information.

A-GPS is Assisted GPS. It uses information from the cellular network to ASSIST the GPS for faster TTFF.

And the Mogul uses a different chipset than the Kaiser. One uses the 7200, while the other 7500.:rolleyes:

[TC1]

Ok... so now that you ranted... is it your opinion that the Mogul will or will not be able to do full GPS?


And actually.... A-GPS doesn't directly work off of the satellites. Since it takes a long time for a cell phone device to download the positioning data from the GPS satellites, what the A-GPS system does is let the A-GPS servers at the cell towers download and accumulate the data, the cell phones then talk to the A-GPS servers to get the data (which happens within seconds).

[Rootwind]

When A-GPS is enabled, would it have the possibility to work with Mobile GMaps ? Or is the Java still restricted?

[Dishe]

Don't we have A-GPS already enabled? Isn't that the little GPS icon in the phone dialer? I know I have the option to turn it off/on in the phone settings just like all other agps handsets.

If something is going to be "enabled" with a new update, that means it will most likely be real standalone GPS.

TC1, no one knows that for sure. It was speculated.

[samspoon]

I AM POSTING THIS FOR THE LAST TIME

The Mogul has the Qualcomm msm7500 as its cpu. BUILT INTO the cpu is the gpsone chipset. This is able to achieve AGPS as well as GPS. It runs in 4 different modes. To have the serial link to work with applications the chipset must be run in standalone mode.

It is on the damn phone as it is part of the cpu! It is currently not in standalone mode so there is no way to access the chip. The only true thing up in the air is whether or not the phone can obtain a satellite lock in standalone mode.

[TC1]

Don't we have A-GPS already enabled? Isn't that the little GPS icon in the phone dialer? I know I have the option to turn it off/on in the phone settings just like all other agps handsets.

If something is going to be "enabled" with a new update, that means it will most likely be real standalone GPS.

TC1, no one knows that for sure. It was speculated.

Correct, like almost every modern cell phone, A-GPS is enabled. There is no debate there.

I agree with you regarding speculation on the "stand-alone GPS" aspect. I've never seen definitive info from HTC that says yes or no on this subject. If there is real info regarding this, some links would be nice.

[Sonix6]

HTC's site says:

It is widely rumored that this phone has a GPS chip that has been disabled. Will there be a hack or workaround to enable GPS capabilities?
Answer: Not likely, it is AGPS which requires a connected call to get data location.

[defaultdotxbe]

HTC's site says:
thats from their wiki site, so its not necessarily true

/me keeps fingers crossed

[Deviation]

This would be good news. I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for this.

[samspoon]

gpsone (in most all msm chipsets including kaiser and mogul):
How gpsOne Works:

The gpsOne technology functions in four different modes of operation. Chosen automatically or specified by software, the
four modes are Standalone GPS, Mobile Station (MS)-based, MS-assisted and MS-assisted/Hybrid. In the A-GPS modes,
gpsOne technology utilizes assistance data from a location server in the wireless network in combination with A-GPS circuitry
and software in the wireless device.
Note: The common term used by standards bodies for the handset/terminal device in CDMA2000 is "Mobile Station" (MS) and in WCDMA (UMTS)/GPRS/GSM/HSDPA/EDGE is

“User Equipment” (UE). For simplicity in this document, references to the handset/terminal will be "MS," but this use implies both MS and UE.
Standalone GPS: The GPS receiver calculates a position without using any assistance data and without a connection to
the wireless network.

MS-Based: The GPS receiver calculates the position using assistance data from a location server to increase cold-start
sensitivity and reduce the start time for an initial position calculation.

MS-Assisted: The GPS receiver uses assistance data from a location server to make measurements related to its distance
from the GPS satellites, then sends this information to the location server where the position is calculated. This mode also
increases cold start sensitivity and reduces the start time for an initial position calculation.

MS-Assisted/Hybrid: Wireless network information is added to GPS measurements as part of the position calculation by
the location server, integrating the relative strengths of GPS information and available wireless network location information
for increased positioning reliability in difficult GPS environments.


In assisted operation, a gpsOne-enabled handset receives
a small “assistance data” message from a network location
server using standardized protocols
• The handset then reads information from GPS satellites to
measure its distance from all the satellites it can see (called
“ranging” information).
• The handset then uses this ranging information to create a
position “fix,” or sends the ranging information back to the
server where it can be combined with network information
to produce an even better fix.
• gpsOne also operates in Standalone mode, without requiring
any assistance data from the network



straight from the gpsOne document.

[Dishe]

interesting indeed... question is, will Sprint release firmware that allows it to run in standalone mode?

I suppose the truth is, even if it doesn't, someone can figure out how to enable it with some sort of hack eventually since its just software controlled according to this document.

[dcd1182]

has anyone played with this reg key?
\HKCU\ControlPanel\PhoneExtendFunction\CDMA\GPSOne Setting = 0

Edit: the value does not contain a space between "GPSOne" and "Setting", but vbulletin modifies my text when i post....

[Vertig0]

I don't know if this info helps or not... I spoke to a HTC TS and they told me the 6800 has GPS but is sprint decision to enable it or not. He also told me that it can be unlock but sprint is the only one with the code and he can not provide me with that info.

[Alex_electro]

I found Many info that may me can help somebodies about the msm 7500 (gpsOne technologie)...It is hard to know what to believe 'cause half/half
people say that this is impossible, and the other half say that gonna happen soon. I think that we should make our own idea by our own knowledge . I found many topic on many forum (htc, gpsunderground,here...ask me if interressed) One Qualcomm offical site i've got pdf about msm chips, and gpsOne tech... (Snap track location service for gpsOne may be a good start point to invest)
Interessing link's:
FCC test repport for tita100 (titan) (That include plane mode settings):
https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=391628&fcc_id=

Here it seem to be codes:
http://www.wlt.net.cn/index0/FD-800/pdf/CNI%20FD-800%20gpsOne%20Menual%20ver1%200_0117.pdf

Similar:
http://www.wlt.net.cn/index0/FD-800/pdf/FD-800_Application_Guide%20ver1%200(1).pdf

And found other about SDK from Qualcomm API's seem to be aivalaible to third party dev. Also seem to be hard to be registred as dev. But hope...
And if internal budies have code it is just a time question before a solution.
So i wish that i'm not making more mistake or false info...if tell me.

And for gps freak who will tell that different anthenna needed, diffrent frequencies for GPS...see the end of the document FD-800 manual (2nd link).

So thank for this helpfull forum, forgive my poor english expression, and lack of programming knoledge , my is disignig pcb, and electrical pannels, but not to programme them's( not enough )...

[Alex_electro]

After a long waiting time with telus rep (how was supposed to be asking to ingeeners) if next update will enable gps fonctions. The respond was nothing less sure, it's not a device choose for this fonction (gps) as black-berrie or HTC S720 that have not Wi-Fi capabillity . They seem to don't want to all the feature in one device ...If you have gps capability with tthe S720 you won't have Wi-Fi. It's a Marketing reason that they keep our codes without using it...The argument of many person's waiting this feature to buy the device seem to not be sufficient.So my quastion is is'it possible to merge the 2 Rom in one to fit on titan and that is also enabling the gps fonction of the chip(that is the same in the 2 devices)like the one for S720.
Should we find someone with the installation cd of S720 or wait for the S720 Rev.A Upgrade that is promise to the end of the year.
I'll talk with a pda specialist in quebec this after-noon may be i'll get some info about the Radio version of the S720 (that i think is the only part of the ROM involve in gps fonctions).

[samspoon]

no. you need a radio rom built for the mogul with gps enabled. these are oem drivers that differ from device to device and are not cross-compatible. as of right now, the only way to get one is either for your carrier to upgrade the firmware OR to get a test rom from the carrier that has everything unlocked.

[Alex_electro]

I've pass hours on phone with tech support a costumers care to ask for testing their beta version or anythig without any support from them.
They don't want to they told that they have their own devloppers...
I think that you guy's just better know what you're talking about, 'cause they told me to try the S720 Radio-ROM version...
I think that they have some code that we paid for by buying this devices.
So he (tech-supp rep) was the first to admit that i was not the firt costumer to ask for this.
Told to see on hantango for an unlocker...Who thrust if the tech-supp. say to try at your risk some non signed app.
Anyway just wait for devlopement it's freshly released device, and we are to many owner with this quest in mind (enabling the gps fonctions) to not find a way to....
I'll let you know thank guy for your moral support...

[samspoon]

uhm, it isn't our prerogative to get what we want on the firmware. you sign a contract with your phone provider and it is whatever they want in the firmware. i find it hilarious you even bothered asking tech support for a test rom, they're only given out to the cell phone carrier developers!

the only people that have access to the actual code is the carriers and htc. microsoft doesn't even get to see htc's oem code and windows mobile professional has been made on htc devices for the last few revisions

[rambo6]

has anyone played with this reg key?
\HKCU\ControlPanel\PhoneExtendFunction\CDMA\GPSOne Setting = 0

Edit: the value does not contain a space between "GPSOne" and "Setting", but vbulletin modifies my text when i post....


I've messed with the setting. It does nothing. It will be interesting to see what happens in October. It will be interesting to see how fast EVDO Rev. A is.

I hope the Mogul will work with Google Maps without an external Antenna. The GPS will probably work with that stupid Telenav software. I'm waiting to see what the Kaiser brings. Sieg Heil!!!

[salkamat]

I know, the solution is here
baseball hat (http://baseball-hat.awardspace.co.uk)

[colonel00]

I would love to believe that this will happen, but I am still waiting for the EVDO upgrade for the 6600. Slight inside joke, but those that know will know what I mean.

[Dishe]

I would love to believe that this will happen, but I am still waiting for the EVDO upgrade for the 6600. Slight inside joke, but those that know will know what I mean.

eh.

The EVDO rev A update is more plausable... it was scheduled from release, and even has a date to hit before the device is released on Verizon.
It will come, as opposed to the "rumored" 6600 EVDO update. If its true that in the same update they will enabled the GPS, then we have a prayer. The questionable part at this point is whether or not that peice of info is from a reliable source... I've seen reliable sources quote the Rev A update, but the GPS thingy is just heresay as far as I'm concerned.

It would be hella nice to have, but in the mean time I still have my trusty Holux BT GPS receiver in my car that I've been using with all my PDA's and smartphones for the last 4 years now.

If you really need GPS, don't wait for it... these receivers cost $50-$100 on ebay (maybe less if used), and sync up beautifully with any mapping on your mogul using bluetooth connections.
I'd still like to have on-board gps since it would probably connect and find my position faster (if it is A-GPS as well as standalone GPS, it could use the assisted tower info to get a faster cold-start position). The Holux works great, but when I turn it on, it has to analyze the sky for be 5-10min before it picks up and starts tracking my movement.
Still works great for what it is (Tom tom works, google maps works, mapopolis, etc...).

Just my 2 cents.

[Alex_electro]

Thank for the idea but as you've probably read this thread, the really quest in here is to be able to make custom radio ROM (or oem i'm not enough fimiliar with all this yet) that fit on this device.
You are right the easiest and faster way to get nagivation on this device is by using an external gps, but it mean let carrier show us our path (or way , forgive my poor english linguistic).And the B-T receiver, by default can work with just one device at a time so it's mean that you can't use your B-T headset while using your external gps. In car for a security manner, B-T head-set should be you're priority over the gps in case of pda that is also a phone (first fonction).
May be i should look for a B-T switcer for using the two device at the same time...
But i think that persons in this forum are not looking for easy solutions, they need goal to keep having fun with their device.
I'm a little kidding but without having found a solution to my preblem yet (may just not look enough) i've learn many thing surrounding the pda technologie.
Thank you all guy's.

[Dishe]

Thank for the idea but as you've probably read this thread, the really quest in here is to be able to make custom radio ROM (or oem i'm not enough fimiliar with all this yet) that fit on this device.
You are right the easiest and faster way to get nagivation on this device is by using an external gps, but it mean let carrier show us our path (or way , forgive my poor english linguistic).And the B-T receiver, by default can work with just one device at a time so it's mean that you can't use your B-T headset while using your external gps. In car for a security manner, B-T head-set should be you're priority over the gps in case of pda that is also a phone (first fonction).
May be i should look for a B-T switcer for using the two device at the same time...
But i think that persons in this forum are not looking for easy solutions, they need goal to keep having fun with their device.
I'm a little kidding but without having found a solution to my preblem yet (may just not look enough) i've learn many thing surrounding the pda technologie.
Thank you all guy's.

You're very mistaken.
Bluetooth can connect to many simultaneous devices (I think I read it was seven somewhere).
I do this all the time... I can take a call on my BT headset while still watching my navigation dot move on the screen. Oh, and I have my Titan playing the turn by turn audio using A2DP onto my car stereo.

This has been since the beginning when I got my first BT phone 4 years ago and tried to synchronize my PIM with my laptop. I was shocked that I could take a call on my headset without interrupting the flow of data!

I'm not saying it wouldn't be nice to have the onboard GPS, but your reason is not a valid one.

[Alex_electro]

Thank for the info about using A2DP , i download it without try (it was told at your own risk) so i'll get a look at it, it seem to work with your titan mine should to...I was told by the tech. supp. rep that the bluetooth receiver was blocked to only one device at a time but i din not test it myself . Sorry for the misinformation. Is this app(a2dp) can make musique playing from device to car radio, i was looking for this kind of app.
For the internal gps i think that without the proper radio ROM it's just a nice dream. So we'll see until chrismas if external gps is a good gift to ask Santa:D

[Alex_electro]

I found wath carrier sell the titan gps enabled out-from-the-box.
Verizon sell it as VX6800...
http://www.mobilealmanac.com/p_501-HTC-Verizon-XV6800.html
So if a way to adapt this radio ROM (gps enabled)for our device is existing, we'll find it.
But i think that the problem of (oem) still remain cause i don't know if these drivers are cross-compatible in regards of different carrier codes...
I read in this thread that oem are not compatible for different device, but i'm asking if they are compatible for different carriers (who sell same device).
If yes i'll try to get the ROM for this device (may one user in this world have the CD-ROM from the packaging).
Quest go througt.

[Dishe]

Thank for the info about using A2DP , i download it without try (it was told at your own risk) so i'll get a look at it, it seem to work with your titan mine should to...I was told by the tech. supp. rep that the bluetooth receiver was blocked to only one device at a time but i din not test it myself . Sorry for the misinformation. Is this app(a2dp) can make musique playing from device to car radio, i was looking for this kind of app.
For the internal gps i think that without the proper radio ROM it's just a nice dream. So we'll see until chrismas if external gps is a good gift to ask Santa:D

What app? Don't go installing any A2DP apps on your Titan! Your device should already have it in the system, those "apps" on XDA-dev here are for older devices that disabled it! Installing those hacks could mess up the built in support for it...
And BT does not in any way work with FM! You need a BT receiver for the car stereo. I got one cheap since my stock stereo broke anyway.

Do more research on what you're trying to do so that you don't dissapoint yourself and/or break something!

[Kasracer]

I have no idea how much you can't trust in it but a Sprint Employee at a Sprint store told me that HTC didn't finish the GPS software implementation and Sprint wanted to Launch it so it will definitely be activated through software once HTC finishes it. Also, Sprint TV should be available in 4th quarter of this year.

Again, this came from a regular Sprint Employee but supposedly they had some sort of internal memo or something...

[Alex_electro]

As you told i stay really carefull and don't install anything without being sure that somedy more experienced than me already install it.
As stupid as it could seem i feel to pass more time searching way to enjoy my device experience,than really enjoying.
I think i should follow your idea and don't wait to enjoy my new toy.
More i learn, more a realize that i have to learn more.It's my first device, so my experience is more in conception and i think that the reason why i try to know a lot...I want to implant in my job project, a B-T (from pda) control on industrial automatisation feature. ABB already offer this kind of stock to control the programmable Power-Breaker...
And to stay in the topic of this thread do you know if B-T gps receiver can communicate with the device through a plastic sealled case. I found one Pellican brand a Staples that fit the device with a little ajustement of the plastic case to let pass the square surface at hte bottom of the device.
In fact i plan to use the gps in outdoor (hiking biking camping) that the reason why i plan to salled the device but Ziplock can do the job (without hard impact protect) for less money, if radio waves from B-T can't pass through hard plactic...
Sorry for this may be to long reply, i'm inspired :)

[defaultdotxbe]

i have a feeling that whether standalone GPS int he mogul is capable of working or not (the antenna thing) sprint is going to give us (at best) Telenav and not full GPS

[diomark]

I have zero fate in sprint... (just look at the ppc-6700 and the (lack of) rom upgrades... It took the hacker community cooking roms to actually get the 6700 working - just in time for the 6800 to come out..)

Let's hope they surprise us for a change.
-mark

[Dishe]

I have zero fate in sprint... (just look at the ppc-6700 and the (lack of) rom upgrades... It took the hacker community cooking roms to actually get the 6700 working - just in time for the 6800 to come out..)

Let's hope they surprise us for a change.
-mark

Lets not forget that the Mogul is only one iteration of the Titan... maybe sprint won't release the full-gps version, but some other carriers might... Telus, anyone?

[Alex_electro]

I think that you're telus seem to be less conveniant to their costumer than Sprint. After a talk with Tec supp. and costumer-care, they did'nt want to affirm that they are working on that issue for the next Update...
One also told me that the navigation service from Telus is now disponible in Ontario (the same offered in the west of Canada) and will be offer in Quebec soon, so it's the reason why they only work on a patch to make their app, work on WM (it's only for scp phone and rare BB yet)...
That the reason why i don't thrust telus more than Sprint.
But as i whrote in this thread Verizon are supposed to lunch the VX6800 (tita100) 15 august 2007.This device will be gps enabled (supposed to) out of the box .
Let's the job begin to get wath we whant we're let to ourself.
Tell me if i'm wrong with my info about the verizon, i don't wan't to create hoping false rumors.

[raidens330ci]

I was told by my friend who works at Sprint today that they will be unlocking the GPS in Quarter 4 of this year.

She said that originally they did not unlock it as they were having issues with the hardware and software, but are prepping to unlock it soon to us.

Sorry if this has been put out there already, but thought I would share what I heard. hopeful anyway, huh?

:D


i talked to one of the higher up today at work actually, i live here in austin,tx and there rolling it out here in a month

sorry had to edit i was talkin about rev. a but when that is unlocked it will allow us to get GPS.. CANT WAIT!!!

[Dishe]

All you people who have spoken to sprint "insiders" about the GPS being enabled with Rev A, have they mentioned anything about the friggin BLUETOOTH BUG???
I like GPS, and having it integrated is nice, but don't we want to use our phones as phones first?

[Bronx31]

I agree with you.:eek:

[TC1]

All you people who have spoken to sprint "insiders" about the GPS being enabled with Rev A, have they mentioned anything about the friggin BLUETOOTH BUG???
I like GPS, and having it integrated is nice, but don't we want to use our phones as phones first?

Sprint already announced last week that there will be a maintenance release ROM pushed out in September to address the keyboard and Bluetooth issues.

[Sonix6]

Sprint already announced last week that there will be a maintenance release ROM pushed out in September to address the keyboard and Bluetooth issues.Please post a link, inquiring minds want to see! Anyone at all please! I know about the A upgrade, but was the rest acknowledged by Sprint or even HTC?

[TC1]

Please post a link, inquiring minds want to see! Anyone at all please! I know about the A upgrade, but was the rest acknowledged by Sprint or even HTC?

Umm... yea.

http://forums.buzzaboutwireless.com/baw/board/message?board.id=SmartPhones&message.id=1165#M1165

[Sonix6]

Umm... yea.

http://forums.buzzaboutwireless.com/baw/board/message?board.id=SmartPhones&message.id=1165#M1165It looks like you are talking about DaSuPeR, does he work for Sprint in a capacity that knows or makes press releases? I was looking for something that is from Sprint itself.

And like posted before, there may be a difference between enable GPS and enable GPS for non Sprint 3rd party applications like OnCourse.

[TC1]

It looks like you are talking about DaSuPeR, does he work for Sprint in a capacity that knows or makes press releases? I was looking for something that is from Sprint itself.

And like posted before, there may be a difference between enable GPS and enable GPS for non Sprint 3rd party applications like OnCourse.

If you would have followed some of the threads and messages he has posted you would have seen he works for Sprint.

And your original question to me was specifically about the KB and BT issues. You said

"Please post a link, inquiring minds want to see! Anyone at all please! I know about the A upgrade, but was the rest acknowledged by Sprint or even HTC?"

The "rest" being the KB and BT issues I mentioned.

I don't bother commenting on the possible GPS activation because it's all speculation until Sprint finally does the ROM changes.

[Sonix6]

Yes I see where he calls Sprint and talks to tech, but I don't see where he is with Sprint.

The only reason why i am pursuing this is I just ordered a "BlueAnt Supertooth Light Bluetooth Handsfree Speakerphone, Black" from Amazon and it has a 30 day return. Both of my BT ear pieces work with my Mogul, but they have always had a low volume. I'm a little hard of hearing and when I used one of the BlueANTs in a friends car I ordered it when I got home! So a ROM update, if needed, is a big deal to me.

My KB works fine when I use it even in "live".

[TC1]

I understand your concern. I too am looking at getting one of the BlueAnt BT setups for my car. The bottomline is that it seems any BT device is going to be hit or miss with the current Mogul setup. Since they have announced a definite fix, I'm not that concerned and can wait for the new ROM to be released.

My KB worked fine at first.... then a week later it can no longer type regular letters into the search box. It's the strangest thing I've ever seen since it worked at first.

[Sonix6]

I understand your concern. I too am looking at getting one of the BlueAnt BT setups for my car. The bottomline is that it seems any BT device is going to be hit or miss with the current Mogul setup. Since they have announced a definite fix, I'm not that concerned and can wait for the new ROM to be released.

My KB worked fine at first.... then a week later it can no longer type regular letters into the search box. It's the strangest thing I've ever seen since it worked at first.Well I'll see soon enough mine is supposed to be here Friday or Monday(dam Amazon shipping the stuff comes from an hour away from me) they were even kind of nice to include in their notes that I can get a full refund even if it's not BlueAnt's problem. I guess im still stuck waiting on a ROM if thats the case.

I just got a brainstorm...if there is a HTC BT issue I'll pester them with my receipt for a product that doesn't work with theirs! I hope the phone number floating around still works.

And BTW I don't use the KB much, but my daughter does and she can type as fast as I can talk with my Mogul!

[hohnan]

Statement: Mogul ROM Updates Options


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Sprint and HTC regret any inconvenience customers have recently experienced with the Mogul. HTC is working on a new version of the software ROM for the Mogul which incorporates enhancements for Bluetooth performance and corrects issues that were unintentionally created by ROM version 2.16.651.0 (posted on HTC’s website on October 24). Both Sprint and HTC have begun testing the new software and are targeting to make it available for download by the end of November. Once fully tested the download will be made available at: http://www.america.htc.com/support/mogul/software-downloads.html



As a short-term solution, customers who downloaded the ROM version 2.16 should download the previous ROM version 2.09.651.3 available at the link above. This will restore previous functionality to the device until a new version is complete.



Additionally, HTC is currently developing a separate ROM update which enables the EV-DO Rev. A and GPS capabilities that are already built into the Mogul hardware. Sprint and HTC plan to make this software ROM available in early 1Q 2008. We would also like to extend our thanks to those customers that have taken the time to identify and report these issues to us.

http://forums.buzzaboutwireless.com/baw/board/message?board.id=SmartPhones&thread.id=2262

First saw this at PPCGeeks.com - http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?p=126458&posted=1#post126458

Let the GPS speculation begin.

[johnnycross22]

I guess I'll hold out on that external GPS receiver until I know for sure whats up, I remember reading that the internal GPS of the mogul was hardware crippled in some way. Thanks for the heads up

[wsparvis]

<snip>...
Let the GPS speculation begin.

I think all the speculation has already been done during the 3 months this thread lay dormant before you bumped it.

GPS = "activate aGPS and sell Telenav"

[hohnan]

I think all the speculation has already been done during the 3 months this thread lay dormant before you bumped it.

GPS = "activate aGPS and sell Telenav"

That is my bet.

Last I read though, no GPS was available on the Mogul.

Right?

[tlordon]

LOL GPS this is to funny to find this here not being coverd in depth..

all phones especially ones with e911 are GPS capable By using only a Java or wm6 program IE Telenave, google, live any thing..

sprint has told mfrs for years not to have the Code avail to us..
I have run it on many phones that arent adv as GPS and if you ask sprint they say no.. but they work..

but its there.. and needs to be unlocked.. no hardware etc.. (unless it says separate GPS RECEIVER)

##DEBUG# on ur phone left soft menu gps..
we just need to find where that Off switch is.. either in reg or ROM.. either way its something we can hack..

if someone makes a software hack that makes the internal GPS output to a simulated com port the current telenave for ppc 6700 will work it fine..
(only really needed for telenav and other WM6 Programs. the java ones will grab from the Phones GPS port.. IF open..
(i use telenave for mogoul on touch with BT GPS)

[TC1]

LOL GPS this is to funny to find this here not being coverd in depth..

all phones especially ones with e911 are GPS capable By using only a Java or wm6 program IE Telenave, google, live any thing..

sprint has told mfrs for years not to have the Code avail to us..
I have run it on many phones that arent adv as GPS and if you ask sprint they say no.. but they work..

but its there.. and needs to be unlocked.. no hardware etc.. (unless it says separate GPS RECEIVER)

##DEBUG# on ur phone left soft menu gps..
we just need to find where that Off switch is.. either in reg or ROM.. either way its something we can hack..

if someone makes a software hack that makes the internal GPS output to a simulated com port the current telenave for ppc 6700 will work it fine..
(only really needed for telenav and other WM6 Programs. the java ones will grab from the Phones GPS port.. IF open..
(i use telenave for mogoul on touch with BT GPS)

I've researched this issue extensively. I've unlocked many Sprint flip phones for friends and family so that they can run apps like mGMAPS to access the aGPS data in the phones. My wife's LG Fusic works awesome with this app, free GPS and real-time search data.

The problem with Sprint WM6 phones is that they either left out or locked down (via securtiy cert) the Qualcomm GPS API. I've spoken to professional cell phone application development shops that can't even get at the GPS data, and these guys do this for a living. Here's a perfect example: if the GPS data was there on the phone to access, why hasn't Sprint themselves begun to sell TeleNav services so they can make $$???

Additional info that I have is that there is actually a problem with how Microsoft implemented the software interface into certain APIs that deal with GPS data on the phones. Again, developers are having a hard time dealing with this. Putting all the intel I have together leads me to believe that EVDO Rev A and open GPS on WM6 are issues directly related to shortcomings on the current version of WM6, hence why we are all waiting for Q1 2008, which happens to be the current release schedule for a WM6 service pack (ie, a major AKU release/update) or possibly what they are calling WM6.1

[SomeoneE1se]

just a noob thinking out loud here

but.. is the titan using the same gps hardware on another HTC, because if it is couldn't someone just rip the drivers off of that and slap them into a WM5 ROM already working on the titan?

[Dishe]

just a noob thinking out loud here

but.. is the titan using the same gps hardware on another HTC, because if it is couldn't someone just rip the drivers off of that and slap them into a WM5 ROM already working on the titan?

Its not that simple. No, it won't work that way.

[rambo6]

The latest is that HTC and Sprint are working on a new ROM which has EVDO Rev. A and GPS. This the latest word and is not rumor. Sprint will be offering a new ROM which fixes some of the problems with the last ROM at the end of November in Early December. They hope to have the ROM with GPS and Rev. A done in Jan. 08.

[tlordon]

ya the other sprint phones i have never had to Hack to get the gps to work just install Telenave Via Jad/jar and No problems.. except M1 but that got fixed..
fusic ya worked with telenav before they said it did..

GPS standalone units is the reason sprint hasnt really pushed gps..

it has nothing to do with the WM6 or any other hooyii

its either locked in ROM or via reg or a combo.. but not to the point it cant be opened.. just legaly for them they cant or wont try...
all sprint pcs phones are gps in reality.. my ac550 dumps the lat long its for handoffs etc..

why we all talking like they working on it.. they have the rom for rev a and gps .. its marketing..

[Elementx2]

bam people..check this out...

http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=13510

i guess it's legit..gps shall be avalible...just not sure on what type.

[loewst]

http://www.america.htc.com/support/mogul/software-downloads.html

[defaultdotxbe]

http://www.america.htc.com/support/mogul/software-downloads.html
thats just a bugfix rom to correct the issued from the 2.16 rom they pulled, GPS is yet to come

[Newbie01]

Ummm, why is there so much point of contention in reply to this post? Am I missing something. On the DEVICE MANUFACTURERS Website, it states:

Additionally, HTC is currently developing a separate ROM update which enables the EV-DO Rev. A and GPS capabilities that are already built into the Mogul hardware. Sprint and HTC plan to make this software ROM available in early 1Q 2008. Please bookmark this page for easy reference.

Posted November 29, 2007

Whats left to discuss? Why does it seem like everyone is still questioning the GPS (of GPSlike) capabilities of this unit in 1Q?

[l33tlinuxh4x0r]

Usually I don't post on treads like this but this is really making me mad. :mad:

Only a few of you seem to have any knowlege on this topic. Newbie01 has the best post. Kudos.

Someone posted about the FCC docs. This proves it has both GPS and an antenna for it. The phone has three antennas for those of you who don't know. One for cellular one for wifi and one for GPS.

AGPS works as follows and don't argue because there has been enough of that already. It works just like a GPS chip. When it is unable to contact the satlites it uses cell towers to ASSIST it. This way it works in more places like parking garages and inside buildings.

Also about the phone already having a gps icon when making calls. This is a law in the United States and probably other places too. I think it went into effect in 2005 or something. All cellular devices manufactured after a certan date must have gps enabled for 911 emergencies. This way if you are traveling and there is an emergency and you don't know the area 911 can use the gps to find you.

Hope that this clears things up and stops the speculation once and for all.

[dalvarez7]

Usually I don't post on treads like this but this is really making me mad. :mad:

Only a few of you seem to have any knowlege on this topic. Newbie01 has the best post. Kudos.

Someone posted about the FCC docs. This proves it has both GPS and an antenna for it. The phone has three antennas for those of you who don't know. One for cellular one for wifi and one for GPS.

AGPS works as follows and don't argue because there has been enough of that already. It works just like a GPS chip. When it is unable to contact the satlites it uses cell towers to ASSIST it. This way it works in more places like parking garages and inside buildings.

Also about the phone already having a gps icon when making calls. This is a law in the United States and probably other places too. I think it went into effect in 2005 or something. All cellular devices manufactured after a certan date must have gps enabled for 911 emergencies. This way if you are traveling and there is an emergency and you don't know the area 911 can use the gps to find you.

Hope that this clears things up and stops the speculation once and for all.

Very well put (Newbie01 also)! I was talking with some RF Engineers at Sprint yesterday about AGPS. The all said the same thing, when the phone has trouble finding a GPS satellite, the phone will then use the towers to triangulate your position and "assist" the GPS. Can't wait to try it out.

[JRider]

Man, I'm confused now. Do we have the same Qualcom GPS chip the HTC Tilt has? If it does, I'm pretty excited about the upcoming ROM update. I just helped my brother in law set up TOMTOM on his new Tilt, and it worked without using any external bluetooth GPS device- something I've been using since I've had my 6700. If I'll be able to do the same thing with my Mogul, I'll be very happy.

I was always under the impression that this "GPS update" Sprint was going to offer was just some bs tower triangulation. If what I am reading is correct, than I am very eager for this update.

[defaultdotxbe]

Man, I'm confused now. Do we have the same Qualcom GPS chip the HTC Tilt has? If it does, I'm pretty excited about the upcoming ROM update. I just helped my brother in law set up TOMTOM on his new Tilt, and it worked without using any external bluetooth GPS device- something I've been using since I've had my 6700. If I'll be able to do the same thing with my Mogul, I'll be very happy.

I was always under the impression that this "GPS update" Sprint was going to offer was just some bs tower triangulation. If what I am reading is correct, than I am very eager for this update.
im not sure if it has the exact same chip as the tilt, but the chip does have GPS on it (thats been established for a while now)

the questions were whether there was a usable antenna for the GPS, and whether sprint would actually enable it for us (it appears the answer to both of those are "yes")

[Aurashismail]

i read it was 1q 08
Crap just read newbies post.

[bbf]

Whats left to discuss? Why does it seem like everyone is still questioning the GPS (of GPSlike) capabilities of this unit in 1Q?

There are still some unknown quantities. One question I'd like a firm answer for is "Will Sprint allow USER installed programs to access the GPS functions of the phone? Or will it lock it down so only THEIR NAV software can access the GPS after you pay a single use or monthly fee?"

If I have to pay per month, no thank you... I may be suckered into paying a one time use fee if I'm lost somewhere without my bluetooth GPS. If it's restricted use GPS, it's a non-feature for me.

Heck, even EVDO-Rev A won't matter that much to me since I don't tether with my phone and Mobile IE sucks so badly that it barfs trying to process most webpages with more than 200KB worth of data anyways. ;)

I'm satisfied with the phone as is, but the extra perks the upgrade will offer will definitely not hurt. But I'll wait and see to figure out if it's worth reinstalling ALL my apps for the upgrade.

[wzach]

I could give a rats bum how credible you think i am. I will say this once. I work in telecom. Cant say who as they watch these forums. But last week i met with a HTC Rep who brings product training to my employer and he was saying they will have the Mogul done for Dec, Touch to follow in Jan. Im thinking maybe in a 5% chance will it be here this year, and it is a full blown gps reciever, not just the e911 function. Please check the stats on the Qualcomm Processor that happens to be in both of these devices. Still cant figure, if the processors the same why only half the RAM in the mogul, but that is for a different thread i guess. You will have to see if the TILTs processor is the same one. If so, it will probably be full GPS as not may people want less. And between this and some other forums, I am kinda sick of people spreading rumors. Truth only coming from this keyboard people........:)