Wifi or 3G connection, how to know?

[jompao]

I just learned the hard way that it appers that the Tytn with WM6 does not seem to automatically choose the wifi connection over the 3G data-connection. This is horrible!

I have the 3G data connection set to allways on and I thought when I connected to Wifi that would be the connection the system used, but no, just got a large 3G data-traffic bill.

It's so many things I can't belive that is so wrong with WM6, does the developers use this themselves?? So many things ar very unlogical and non user friendly that I think M$ should fire the people responsible for Windows Mobile.

Is there any hack to force wifi to be used when connected, or at least get some warning that 3G connection is used even though Wifi is activated? Seems crazy that I have to turn phone of to use wifi and not be charged 3G data traffic.

[jompao]

No one in 50 people finds this to be a problem, strange...

[gnick666]

There's something called 'Comm Manager', and strangely there is a button for disconnecting the data connection, and by accident it won't reconnect if there's an active wifi connection... I wonder how did you come up whith the idea of soft-reseting your phone to disconnect the data connection..

[jcespi2005]

I just learned the hard way that it appers that the Tytn with WM6 does not seem to automatically choose the wifi connection over the 3G data-connection. This is horrible!

I have the 3G data connection set to allways on and I thought when I connected to Wifi that would be the connection the system used, but no, just got a large 3G data-traffic bill.

It's so many things I can't belive that is so wrong with WM6, does the developers use this themselves?? So many things ar very unlogical and non user friendly that I think M$ should fire the people responsible for Windows Mobile.

Is there any hack to force wifi to be used when connected, or at least get some warning that 3G connection is used even though Wifi is activated? Seems crazy that I have to turn phone of to use wifi and not be charged 3G data traffic.

Hi, man.

I have notice that the metric for the WIfi connection is lower than the one for 3G or GPRS in the routing table.

Thats mean the default route go trought Wifi if this is availabe. The exception are some software that needs the 3G or GPRS connection like PushMail.

For example, if you connect your Wifi and open the PIE or Opera and surf the web, no GPRS/3G data is trasmitted, sure... you can see by yourself.

Live Messenger can works to chat over Wifi, but if detects GPRS 3G connection, use this connection (bad done by M$). Try unconfig the connections and connect to wifi, you will chat over wifi, but the email sync don't work...M$ have done bad choice IMO.

Regards.

[jompao]

Hi, man.

I have notice that the metric for the WIfi connection is lower than the one for 3G or GPRS in the routing table.

Thats mean the default route go trought Wifi if this is availabe. The exception are some software that needs the 3G or GPRS connection like PushMail.

For example, if you connect your Wifi and open the PIE or Opera and surf the web, no GPRS/3G data is trasmitted, sure... you can see by yourself.

Regards.

Well I did get 20 mb of 3G trafic in 2 days, days when I had wifi active and 3G-data connection. Only thing I used was IE and Newsbreak RSS aggregator. If I have connection ro my router over wifi, but what if connection to internet temporarily stops working, will WM6 then use the active 3G connection without any notification?

[jompao]

There's something called 'Comm Manager', and strangely there is a button for disconnecting the data connection, and by accident it won't reconnect if there's an active wifi connection... I wonder how did you come up whith the idea of soft-reseting your phone to disconnect the data connection..

Do you think I'm stupid or what? I haven't been softresetting anything.. There is no button for disconnecting data connection in standard Comm Manger. This is not the issue anyhow, issue is how stupid can an OS be that uses an active 3G data connection when there is a wifi connection available at the same time... And if the wifi connection isn't working it notifies the user of that fact and informs it will switch to 3G data connection.

In other words how can the user know what connection is used. Only safe way seem to be to turn phone off in Comm Manager, which I will do forward on.

A logical system like iPhone will connect to wifi when available by itself. And I'm quite sure user is somehow notified of this fact.

[gnick666]

There was a button for it in the wm5 comm manager, and after the updated, I didn't notice any difference whith the wm6 one, but there's always the option to change it to the Kaiser's comm manager (just a cab install, nothing hard or threatening). The 10 button comm manger has the 'Data Connection' button and that's a fact, and it looks better too (in my oppinion).
Sorry about the soft resetting thing, I misunderstood it a bit :P

And about the issue of the 3G connection, there are some countries that don't have city wide open wifi networks (like mine), so the only place I can use it is at home (or some open wifi network on the street but that's quite unreliable). So our operators divised the 3G internet connection plan accordingly whith prepaid MB -s or GB -s. So in my case it realy doesn't matter which do I use. (ohh btw 200 MB costs us around 11 USD and 5 GB is around 28 USD)

[agovinoveritas]

In all honesty there are a number of different solutions. Comm Manager, the NoData App, BandSwitch or it cousin program could help you with that. There are tons of third party apps. Worse case scenario just kill the phone and switch to Fly-mode. I mean, dude when you are going to do something with your phone and you are afraid that it might cost you money then research first before using.

Thank God you only used 20megs. Here in Canada that stunt would have cost you almost $1000!!

[jompao]

In all honesty there are a number of different solutions. Comm Manager, the NoData App, BandSwitch or it cousin program could help you with that. There are tons of third party apps. Worse case scenario just kill the phone and switch to Fly-mode. I mean, dude when you are going to do something with your phone and you are afraid that it might cost you money then research first before using.

Thank God you only used 20megs. Here in Canada that stunt would have cost you almost $1000!!


Well I did test and then checked only to see if I was charged any traffic and I wasn't so I thought it was fine. Apparently the charge is a bit delayed.. Well it's no fortune here, a little more then 1 dollar per MB. Still would be nice to clearly see when wifi and 3G is used, I use wifi at work and at home and don't want to switch phone part off.

[jompao]

There was a button for it in the wm5 comm manager, and after the updated, I didn't notice any difference whith the wm6 one, but there's always the option to change it to the Kaiser's comm manager (just a cab install, nothing hard or threatening). The 10 button comm manger has the 'Data Connection' button and that's a fact, and it looks better too (in my oppinion).
Sorry about the soft resetting thing, I misunderstood it a bit :P

And about the issue of the 3G connection, there are some countries that don't have city wide open wifi networks (like mine), so the only place I can use it is at home (or some open wifi network on the street but that's quite unreliable). So our operators divised the 3G internet connection plan accordingly whith prepaid MB -s or GB -s. So in my case it realy doesn't matter which do I use. (ohh btw 200 MB costs us around 11 USD and 5 GB is around 28 USD)

I'm trying to keep a clean installation of the official Swedish rom, been having problems with wake up on notifications when using other comm manager and HTC Home plugin. Off course it's no major problem to go to flight mode, just weird that one even has to think about it on a modern os...

[jcespi2005]

Well I did get 20 mb of 3G trafic in 2 days, days when I had wifi active and 3G-data connection. Only thing I used was IE and Newsbreak RSS aggregator. If I have connection ro my router over wifi, but what if connection to internet temporarily stops working, will WM6 then use the active 3G connection without any notification?

The only thing you can do to be sure only Wifi is ised is to select The Work Network in Connections, so no 3G connections to your operator is done....

If some app uses 3G before Wifi, the OS don't notify, how can the OS notify this? The OS have in the route table metric to use Wifi first, 3G after...

Regards.