Kaizer or Apple Iphone?

[mikeycollins13]

I know, Kaizer packs more in, but i hate 3G due to battery drainage and am happy with Edge. The Apple is way cooler no doubt, but no gps and the keyboard sucks?

tough call...

[randomtask16]

Your poll is gonna be a bit biased ;) hah

Iphone lacks 3rd party support
can't swap battery
no keyboard
not subsidised
premier discounts voided

just a few reasons I can think of at the moment.

Also many ppl who *would* have an 4/8 gig Iphone have a 20-80gig Ipod already, so theres little advantage to getting it other than its kinda cool.

[dwella]

Don't know what you think your poll is going to show other than Teens will vote for ipone and Business folk will go for the Kaiser....

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[DBT]

I vote for iphone. :cool:



HAHAHAHAHA!:D

[sherpa]

Definitely Kaiser! Can't wait for it to hit the shelves!

[Burko]

Well considering the only thing you say you don't like about the Kaiser is the 3G then i'd suggest you run with the Kaiser as you can choose which network to be connected to on-the-fly.

iPhone really is the most overhyped phone to ever be released.

[bigshape]

i'd go for the kaiser out of the two because i like the keyboard, and i'm not really a fan of apple products - and i think having a phone with a non user replaceable battery is lunacy!

what about the new se p1i? i used to really like sony's but went for the tytn as i couldn't be arsed to wait any longer for the p990...

[mikeeey]

Don't know what you think your poll is going to show other than Teens will vote for ipone and Business folk will go for the Kaiser....

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hahaha im a teen but even i know the kaiser is better. im not gonna be tricked by apple. ppcs are way better.

so far only 3 votes on the iphone lol

[drutort]

http://www.mobile-review.com/articles/2007/iphone-name-en.shtml


after reading that, i think you will have only 1 choice... i was really shocked of course i had my bias, but i didnt know it was that bad and that limited

[vasil]

EDGE???
Show me the place in UK where it works???

AFAIK there's no EDGE on nay of UK networks...

[Burko]

Im pretty sure Orange supports EDGE.

[dgduris]

It all depends on what you are doing.

I have used the iPhone (my brother's) and I must say that is is pretty slick and rock-solid in terms of connectivity - albeit slow connectivity relative to 3G.

IMHO - if you need something that is half-baked iPod, half-baked iPhoto plus a phone with pretty bad audio, but WAY COOL looking - you get an iPhone. Of course, you cannot mind being tethered to the mother ship.

Now, if you are mobile, need email, want to download RSS feeds, video and audio podcasts and need all of the connectivity options to handle scenarios ranging from client office wireless networks to airports to taxicabs and your own office Plus you want some music and photos of your kids (or car or babe), you get a Kaiser.

Now if either of them had that 1.2 million color screen of the N95 we would be talking some serious beauty!

Personally, I will be camping - pre-iPhone style in front of my ATT store on September 3 for a Kaiser!

[devis]

Umm, no offense to anyone but it seems to me that when one considers phone purchase of this kind, the iCrap and the Kaiser cannot be in the same category.

[diaftia]

Its not a tough call... the Iphone is a piece of shit for people that don't have a hard demand on their phone. If you are a power user get a Kaiser.

[mikeeey]

if you want features besides an mp3 player and a picture viewer like every phone out there has, get the kaiser.

[Heijdemann]

It is as comparing Apples with Pears (Tytn II) ;o))

[Fleetphoenix]

If you were true to htc and windows mobile you would stick with the kaiser, iphone even thou its got its nufty features like that zoomng in and the keyboard (which on our windows mobile you can now simulate) its still buggy even after the updates at least with kaiser you know its got windows mobile 6 plus u get full keyboard and the tilt and brilliant for the gps even thou the battery would drain faster who cares go on ebay get a higher capacity battery and in car charger then get a extra battery while your there and a exturnal battery charger thats what i did for the Htc Universal (which sadly broke grr that usb port breaking and then gettting stuck in bootloader mode)

[Mr.Clark]

If you were true to htcOh dear. No-one should stick to a product just because of the company that makes it.

The iPhone is a good bit of kit. Sure, it's got its flaws (no 3G, no custom ringtones) but for the average person that wants to trade in their iPod and Nokia for a single device, it'll do the job.

Most people are here because they use Pocket PC phones. The iPhone can't compete with them (however much it pretends it can). It's locked down, it's got limited email options and frankly, we're used to being able to customise our devices up the wazoo.

If Apple made a decent phone and HTC came out with a turkey, staying with them through loyalty would be foolish to the extreme.

You may show loyalty to a company, but at the end of the day, they're only interested in profits, and they will not reciprocate.

[Merlin_reloaded]

I mean, this is a WM developers forum. After the amount of work we put into the PPCs, most other phones(including the iPhone) look slightly,er, stupid?

On the other hand, I do wish HTC gave us 3in VGA screens. Come on HTC!, Arima does it.

[wizzzard]

Kaiser all the way.
What can the Iphone do that a Kaiser wont be able to do once the geniuses here at XDA-developers have a a tweak with the ROM. Isn't it only a matter of time before someone comes out with an implementation of the pinch/squeeze-zoom for photos afaik this is the only feature WM devices can't currently match.

[AndyM3]

I'm not a teen, nor a business folk (if you're interested, I have more than 10 but less than 12 years :cool: :eek: :confused: ) but I would NEVER vote for Apple. After all what's iPhone good at?
- Slide to Unlock? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=314703&highlight=unlock (WM can do it...)
- Web Browser? Take Opera for a spin. (personally, I'm happy with IE)
- Clownfishes? Never mind.
- 8GB Storage? For what on earth do you need that?
- 2mpx Camera? And what? Doesn't an HTC have a 2mpx Camera?

i'd go for the kaiser out of the two because i like the keyboard, and i'm not really a fan of apple products - and i think having a phone with a non user replaceable battery is lunacy!

what about the new se p1i? i used to really like sony's but went for the tytn as i couldn't be arsed to wait any longer for the p990...

P1i from Sony-Ericsson? Symbian, eh? I don't like too much Symbian... or at least not UIQ...

It all depends on what you are doing.

I have used the iPhone (my brother's) and I must say that is is pretty slick and rock-solid in terms of connectivity - albeit slow connectivity relative to 3G.

IMHO - if you need something that is half-baked iPod, half-baked iPhoto plus a phone with pretty bad audio, but WAY COOL looking - you get an iPhone. Of course, you cannot mind being tethered to the mother ship.

Now, if you are mobile, need email, want to download RSS feeds, video and audio podcasts and need all of the connectivity options to handle scenarios ranging from client office wireless networks to airports to taxicabs and your own office Plus you want some music and photos of your kids (or car or babe), you get a Kaiser.

Now if either of them had that 1.2 million color screen of the N95 we would be talking some serious beauty!

Personally, I will be camping - pre-iPhone style in front of my ATT store on September 3 for a Kaiser!

You're perfectly right. (Not to talk about N95's 5 mpx camera...)

Without other details here, I present you http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/03/iphone-review/
Take a ride if you want to know more... :p

[mikeeey]

- Clownfishes? Never mind.

yes! clownfish ftw! i wish my kaiser had clownfish when i get one.
yea, 8gb HD means nothing now when the 8gb SDHC cards are commming out. besides, a HD takes up a lot of power, as a card doesnt.

[jamijam]

I'm pretty sure the iphone doesn't have an 8GB Hard Disk!!! :p

[gnick666]

Is this really a question?

KAISER ÜBER ALLES!

[mikeeey]

I'm pretty sure the iphone doesn't have an 8GB Hard Disk!!! :p
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=815&id2=817&id3=818

4gb iphone and 8gb iphone.

[XSIVSPD]

they use flash memory... not HDDs ... and sandisk ( i think is the company) already has the tech to make 32gb sd cards theyre just too expensive right now. and as for the pinch feature, the HTC screens do NOT support multy-touch.. I.E. they can only register a touch in one location at a time... so no pinch feature...

in other words.... GO KAISER!! ;)

[jamijam]

Yes. That's what I meant. No way they could fit a hard disk in a device that's already thinner than pretty much any smartphone out there.

[wizzzard]

and as for the pinch feature, the HTC screens do NOT support multy-touch.. I.E. they can only register a touch in one location at a time... so no pinch feature...

Maybe, but if the screen can detect swipes, as it does for pan and scroll with Touchflo, then it is not beyond the ingenuity of man to develop an picture viewer which on recognising a swipe from outer edge inwards would zoom out, and a swipe from centre to outer would zoom in. Not a pinch exactly but the same result.

[AndyM3]

yes! clownfish ftw! i wish my kaiser had clownfish when i get one.
yea, 8gb HD means nothing now when the 8gb SDHC cards are commming out. besides, a HD takes up a lot of power, as a card doesnt.

Ehm ehm. Not a Hard Disk, a Flash memory. ;)

As for the clownfish, just google it... :D

[AndyM3]

Maybe, but if the screen can detect swipes, as it does for pan and scroll with Touchflo, then it is not beyond the ingenuity of man to develop an picture viewer which on recognising a swipe from outer edge inwards would zoom out, and a swipe from centre to outer would zoom in. Not a pinch exactly but the same result.

And why does anyone of you need pinching? I guess a Jog Dial would make up for it :D

[AndyM3]

Does the iPhone have an expansion slot? :confused:

Not that it is normally neccessary with an 8GB SSD, but maybe teens would love an extra 4GB of music storage... Yeah, I know you'll say " :mad: ", but... I just wanted to know if Apple was smart (good excuse :D )

PS: SSD is the Solid State Disk, which means... well.. Flash memory as Hard Disk ( :rolleyes: )

[AndyM3]

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[jamijam]

My last 5 devices have been WM/PPC ones, but even I can tell that the iPhone has some very cool things going for it. No need to pretend the Kaiser blows it out of the water.

I mean the thing is 11mm thin. It comes with 8GB of storage. It has a nicer screen. It has a much better browsing and media experience (partly due to the previous point).

Pretty much anything else is debatable, but I believe some points (like the ones above) can't be argued.

Personally I'm probably going to buy a Kaiser next week (to replace my TyTN) and then replace with an iPhone if we get a 3G version of it later this year in europe.

That's assuming HTC doesn't release some cooler phones before then, which they might very well do!

[jamijam]

PS: Speaking of browsing experience, has anyone tried browsing the web using a N95 (HSDPA)? No touch screen and smaller yet that browser beats the pants of Pocket Internet Explorer. I think that's the most disappointing part of a stock windows mobile device - the internet browsing experience.

[AndyM3]

My last 5 devices have been WM/PPC ones, but even I can tell that the iPhone has some very cool things going for it. No need to pretend the Kaiser blows it out of the water.

I mean the thing is 11mm thin. It comes with 8GB of storage. It has a nicer screen. It has a much better browsing and media experience (partly due to the previous point).

Pretty much anything else is debatable, but I believe some points (like the ones above) can't be argued.

Personally I'm probably going to buy a Kaiser next week (to replace my TyTN) and then replace with an iPhone if we get a 3G version of it later this year in europe.

That's assuming HTC doesn't release some cooler phones before then, which they might very well do!

This made me laugh:

Personally I'm probably going to buy a Kaiser next week (to replace my TyTN) and then replace with an iPhone if we get a 3G version of it later this year in europe.


3G iPhone?! Would Apple do that?

[vpoet]

PS: Speaking of browsing experience, has anyone tried browsing the web using a N95 (HSDPA)? No touch screen and smaller yet that browser beats the pants of Pocket Internet Explorer. I think that's the most disappointing part of a stock windows mobile device - the internet browsing experience.

Yeah, Nokia's browser is built off of Opera Mobile. Pretty sweet, huh?

[jamijam]

Pretty sweet indeed! Shouldn't Microsoft be able to match that? Biggest software company in the world, seemingly infinite resources. WM moves so slowly... sometimes I wonder if MS cares about that division. They should really, the mobile market is huuuuge. Anyway, I'll stop rambling on. Back to iPhone vs Kaiser!

[XSIVSPD]

since we are on the subject of browsers i'll add this...

Maybe, but if the screen can detect swipes, as it does for pan and scroll with Touchflo, then it is not beyond the ingenuity of man to develop an picture viewer which on recognising a swipe from outer edge inwards would zoom out, and a swipe from centre to outer would zoom in. Not a pinch exactly but the same result.

Picsel veiwer ( you can find it if you know were to look) gives almost an identical interface as the iPoo for web browsing AND lets you zoom in and out on photos of almost any file type, PDF document, word documents and excel documents (as well as edit said documents, other than PDFs)... oh yeah... and does all that for the internet too... IMHO apple ripped off Picsel for the browser...

[AndyM3]

Does the iPhone have an expansion slot? :confused:

Not that it is normally neccessary with an 8GB SSD, but maybe teens would love an extra 4GB of music storage... Yeah, I know you'll say " :mad: ", but... I just wanted to know if Apple was smart (good excuse :D )

PS: SSD is the Solid State Disk, which means... well.. Flash memory as Hard Disk ( :rolleyes: )

I found out: the answer is "no".

[AndyM3]

since we are on the subject of browsers i'll add this...
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You quoted from wizzzard:
Maybe, but if the screen can detect swipes, as it does for pan and scroll with Touchflo, then it is not beyond the ingenuity of man to develop an picture viewer which on recognising a swipe from outer edge inwards would zoom out, and a swipe from centre to outer would zoom in. Not a pinch exactly but the same result.
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Picsel veiwer ( you can find it if you know were to look) gives almost an identical interface as the iPoo for web browsing AND lets you zoom in and out on photos of almost any file type, PDF document, word documents and excel documents (as well as edit said documents, other than PDFs)... oh yeah... and does all that for the internet too... IMHO apple ripped off Picsel for the browser...

The standard constitution of touchscreens is the only optional one: Wires. When you touch, the wires from above touch the wires from below and based on the wires (from below and above) that send electrical charge, the Touchscreen detects your x and y position on it.

Now, Apple couldn't put 480x320=153600 buttons on the display for each model!!! :eek:

So, there are two possibilities:
1. Both touchscreens support multi-touch :confused:
2. Apple's TS detects ONLY A SINGLE TOUCH. You can pinch/unpinch by touching a position and dragging. So, the TS detects a random drag and the Apps use that single drag to zoom.

PS: WHAT??? Apple ripped Picsel Viewer??!!

[XSIVSPD]

from looking at and playing extensively with an iPhone, it does not seem to be a presure sensetive TS like HTC uses, its a HARD GLOSSY screen, with leads me to beleave its either some sort of SAW (sound accoustic wave) or capacitive discharge type... or maybe one of the IR ones. you can NOT use anything other than youre skin to contact it or it will not work... I.E. no stylus, pen, gloved fingers etc.. haveing a multi-touch capable screen is one of the reasons that the iphone cost so much to manufacture.. (note that i said to manufacture... not that that excuses the selling price....) go play with one and tell me if you think the tech is the same...

oh, and if you hold youre HTC device in the light just right you can see the touch sensors in the screen, the iPhart you cannot.

[gogol]

For a PDA phone, I need to be able to run a GPS navigation software. For example: TomTom.

Too bad, iCrap (iPhone) cant run 3rd party app (officially).

Google map? Nah ... big no.

So, Kaiser is better than iCrap in this case.

And worse, I dont like buttonless touchscreen. That sucks!

[devis]

I think everyone is going around in circles on this one. I mean this is a WM forum, not an iCrap forum. Now, I am sure that if we were to go to an iCrap board, everyone would bash WM to hell because... well... they're mac fanboys, they don't know anything about WM and HTC, or they are your average dumb consumer who thinks he's got something unique that noone else but half of the ATT customers have.
Point of the matter is that the iCrap is nothing more than a Dodge Viper with a 4 cylinder 1.8 liter engine under the hood. It looks cool, but that's all it's got going for it.
But herein comes the question... Will Apple sponsor a dumb movie like Nokia did with Cellular?

[the-equinoxe]

My 2 cents:

iphone:
-have to hack it before you can add apps (jailbreak is a good workaround though)
-no hardware keyboard, and the software predictive one is anoying
-no GPS
-needs itunes to get activated (luckily hacked too)
-no copy/paste
-no incomming telephone calles while using data, calls go straight to voicemail ! (that is a bad one!)
-fixed to one operator (or you have to use geohot's HW unlock, or use a turbosim)
-no flash
-no pdf
-no airtunes support (would have expected airtunes on a iPhone with wifi)
It is sexy though and it has a large disk capacity (to name some good things not to sound completely negative ;) )

Nah, Better give me the kaiser.

[mikeycollins13]

Having started this thread, and been a member for 4 years, HTC follower forever (Almost everyphone from XDA1 to TYTN)...I have seen the light....

And yes, it's the Apple Iphone, hands down, you just canot compare the two until you have handled and used the Iphone. And by the way, i use GPS all the time, but I'm willing to scarifice that for the IPHONE. The screen quality and browsing is simply beyond perfect.

Sorry for jumping ship...

[evolution_theory]

Having started this thread, and been a member for 4 years, HTC follower forever (Almost everyphone from XDA1 to TYTN)...I have seen the light....

And yes, it's the Apple Iphone, hands down, you just canot compare the two until you have handled and used the Iphone. And by the way, i use GPS all the time, but I'm willing to scarifice that for the IPHONE. The screen quality and browsing is simply beyond perfect.

Sorry for jumping ship...

Youve been here for 4 years and you just said you're going to iphone because it has a bigger screen and a prettier quicker interface. That has nothing to do with phone quality or hardware specs or capabilities at all. In 4 years youve decided you like pretty over ability so those 4 years here have no relevance what so ever.

I really do wish windows mobile had a better interface and larger screen but I use this phone for business. It's not just a toy that gets me attention in an airport or at my friends house. I actually need my exchange mail, I use the GPS, and when browsing the internet i use the HSDPA connection both on the phone and when it works as a modem for my laptop. The iPhone is a crappy phone compared to Kaiser. Bottom line. You can't argue otherwise. You CAN argue the iPhone is the best media player. I don't see why someone wouldnt just by the iTouch and keep their wm6 phone if they just want something more fun to play with and show off.

[mikeycollins13]

It's just the web browsing is beyond the crapy htc screens, the tiny light form factor, on the Iphone etc that makes it unbeatable.

In 4 years with HTC devices, i really only needed to use excell and word mobile a half dozen times honestly, and never powperpoint.

Now HSDPA, is a real daft point on the HTC's, just kills your battery, and as business user w/push email, I can wait 30 more seconds to get my email via gprs/edge. So i, as well as many others, choose to turn HSPDA OFF! Its more of geek tool than a practical one.

What I do do sometimes when travelling is tether the laptop via the Tytn and email using hsdpa from PC, OK, you can do that with Iphone too, just slower, and again, those extra minutes seem OK for now.

The lack of GPS is negative for the iphone, big. Don't know how I fell about that. For time being I'll play w/ wife's Iphone before making up my mind.

Draw back on the Iphone aren't that big, and at 200GBP vs 485, I'll buy the iphone this time around.

[w4rmk]

I just switched from the iPhone to the TyTN II. The reason that I left the iPhone is quite simple, it doesn't support MS Exchange. I started with a new company and they will not enable IMAP and they have 2 pass OWA authentication so I can't use Synchronica. I must be able to access my Exchange email while I am traveling and as such the iPhone is no longer an option.

I chose the TyTN II mainly because it runs the full version of Windows Mobile 6 which gives me HTML email and access to hundreds of 3rd party applications. Another big reason is the GPS functionality. I had been traveling with a Garmin (which is much better than the TomTom software that comes with the phone). But after testing out the GPS/TomTom combo yesterday it is acceptable and will serve my travel needs. FYI, the big difference between my Garmin and this TomTom software is that the Garmin speaks street names and the TomTom does not. I don't like how the TomTom software just says "turn left" instead of "turn left on Main St". Oh well I guess you can't have everything.

[FZZF]

After all the hype about the iPhone and after reading and learning more about it I am sorry but I dont see what the hype is all about I think you are paying about $300 for the iphone name and $200 for the phone itself functionality wise it can't even come close to the Kaiser or any device runing WM6 for that matter the number one reason to stay away is the lack of software if you want a fashion phone just get a chinese iphone clone that runs WM6 it looks like it and does alot more. just my 2 cents on that iphone thingy..:)

[mikeycollins13]

for $400 iphone vs $800 kaizer, its great value for money, especillay if u hate 3G which I do because it kills battery life etc.

The more I play with the Iphone though, the more it has some major drawbacks in the that it is more a phone than powerful organizer. I store 600 contacts, and scrolling to dial on the iphone is a bitch, on the TYTN, i use MSVC and Boom, done.

And I really need the GPS, I'm just disapointed about the screen quality on these HTC phones, if you surf the web on the Iphone you'll see what i mean, it just blows you away.

Today i watched 6 ali-g clips on you-tube, they were perefect, and they look like crap on the tytn.

Still lacks basic functionality, impossible to send attachments, only basic file editing....not really functional for bizness. And i want that gps too!

[AndyM3]

Well, if you like GPS and organizer so much, get an iCrap clone. I heard there are some...

[GilesTheAlmighty]

Don't know what you think your poll is going to show other than Teens will vote for ipone and Business folk will go for the Kaiser....

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haha not true, i'm a teen and i'd go for the Kaiser. i'm not brainwashed by the shiny glowing apple logo ... consider PPC's like real PC's. The iPhone is equivalent to a glossy screened Pentium III, whereas the Kaiser is the equivalent of a Dell XPS with the little lights, upgradable hard drive and performs bloody well!! ... ok i had to think on the spot about that, but you catch my drift. Looks arent everything, ok its "kool" because it looks nice, but i say that the kaiser is kool too, more-so infact because like with my TYTN, i show it to people and they say "whoa thats a phone?!" and then you just slide the keyboard and and its like "WHOA!" :P same would go with the kaiser, but with a "WHOA Squared!" because it tilts ... hah

Kaiser FTW, and i'm a teen and well i love my games on my ppc ;) iPhone just about playing emulated Snes/nes games, whereas Kaiser has CoD2, Quake, PS1, and all the emulators available (exception of an N64 one)

my 2 cents

[meddleuk]

How do the 2 of them compare playing back MP3'S. Which do you think has the better audio quality through decent headphones and music library organiser?

[sillyboy]

The iphone rocks people, it is better for web browsing than anything on the market it right now Hands down. They only thing better is a laptop. Try and go to break.com or youtube.com and watch a video on a htc phone any of them i don't care what modle you get of htc and it will never compare to the iphone phone web browsing full html email. Every one here has to hack thier htc phone to get threading sms, iphone phone gives you that. There is some bad stuff about it like no mms (but if you put threading sms on htc you have no mms). There no stero bluetooth or even the options to listen to the music in the headset. But having an htc phone for 3 years I been blow away by the iphones internet and thats what I care about. Every thing else gps i don't care 3g hspda service don't care becuase whats the point of having it if the internet suck on the phone you use. My thoughts........

[mikechannon]

The iphone rocks people, it is better for web browsing than anything on the market it right now Hands down. They only thing better is a laptop. Try and go to break.com or youtube.com and watch a video on a htc phone any of them i don't care what modle you get of htc and it will never compare to the iphone phone web browsing full html email. Every one here has to hack thier htc phone to get threading sms, iphone phone gives you that. There is some bad stuff about it like no mms (but if you put threading sms on htc you have no mms). There no stero bluetooth or even the options to listen to the music in the headset. But having an htc phone for 3 years I been blow away by the iphones internet and thats what I care about. Every thing else gps i don't care 3g hspda service don't care becuase whats the point of having it if the internet suck on the phone you use. My thoughts........

I must say I'm not a fan of these comparison threads because everyones needs are different and we can all read the specs for the devices we are considering.

Your post struck me as odd (not because of your point of view) but beacuse you have made two posts almost exactly a year apart and you dislike HTC phones. Do you pop in on an annual basis and why are you still interested in this site?

This is a developers site and that's the main issue for me with the iphone - its lack of potential for development / flexibility, not the fact that it may perform certain tasks very well. (I'd rapidly get bored of watching videos on a tiny screen - I need to play on it - add things, try them out and learn from the developers here)

Mike

[GWelker62]

This is a developers site and that's the main issue for me with the iphone - its lack of potential for development / flexibility, not the fact that it may perform certain tasks very well. (I'd rapidly get bored of watching videos on a tiny screen - I need to play on it - add things, try them out and learn from the developers here)

Mike

Sounds like you have a bad obsessive compulsive habit there Mike. :D

[sillyboy]

I own a wizard before I owned a iphone and I come in here to learn about the tilt to see if it worth getting. After reading that it doesn't support flash in p ie or threading sms yet. The web browser the same as any other htc phone. I find its not worth getting.

[mrbofus]

Here are my two cents on this matter:

Just a bit of background first: I like both Apple and Microsoft products. I have 3 PCs and 3 Macs at home. As companies and with their products, I think they both have their strengths and weaknesses, depending on what you are trying to do.

The iPhone is cool, no doubt about it. BUT, there are some severe limitations that have prevented me from going on board the iPhone boat. Before I list those, let me say that what the iPhone does do, it does well. I have not seen [or heard of] any phone that does photos and MP3/video playback as well as the iPhone. The multitouch interface is groundbreaking, cool, and yes, useful. Viewing photos, videos, and listening to music is a pleasure on the iPhone. However, the limitations, in my view, are glaring and severe.

- No Exchange support. [this is the big killer for me.] And I know there are pseudo-workarounds, but I mean full-blown Direct Push support.

- Can't send text messages to more than one person. I have no idea why Apple would cripple this.

- Can't send MMS. What gives Apple? You can send a text on the iPhone, you can send e-mails with pictures, but no MMS.

- Keyboard works in landscape mode only in Safari, not in any other application that uses the keyboard.

- No 3G. I know it drains the battery more than EDGE, but I love my 3G connectivity.

- Screen rotation is inconsistent. If I'm viewing a photo in landscape mode and bring up the controls, they are in portrait mode, meaning I have to rotate the phone to read the controls. Music controls match screen orientation though. Can only watch videos in landscape, not portrait.

-No 3rd party applications!!

Windows Mobile devices have their downsides too, of course...

- Interface is not as smooth/snappy/fast/polished compared to the iPhone, or even some other "regular" phones.

- Experience freezing or lockups every once in a while

For me, the feature set of Windows Mobile phones are what win me over. Exchange, 3G, GPS, 3rd party apps, etc...I wish I could get the photo viewing/iPod aspects of the iPhone on a WM phone, but aside from that, Windows Mobile all the way. Over the air syncing with my Exchange server kicks ass!

Thanks for reading this far! =)

[mikechannon]

Sounds like you have a bad obsessive compulsive habit there Mike. :D

LoL either that or your mind is stuck on the old "double entendre":D

I mean when I say my wife enjoys something hot and throbbing between her legs:

http://www.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/uploadedImages/Information/Getting_Here/naked%20on%20motorbike%20-%20pmisso.jpg

Mike

[Doug2873]

I cant believe someone actually made a thread like this...especially when you look at what you are getting...lets see...3g, keyboard, GPS, windows mobile, push email...i mean cmon

[TaurusBullba]

LoL either that or your mind is stuck on the old "double entendre":D

I mean when I say my wife enjoys something hot and throbbing between her legs:

http://www.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/uploadedImages/Information/Getting_Here/naked%20on%20motorbike%20-%20pmisso.jpg

Mike

Oh my! :eek:

[jageerdar]

Ahhh the wars.... i like em.. it gives you new ideas and provides manufacturers with important marketing resources...
For me, i just got my Kaiser a few days back and the reasons were (mainly)...
1) third party support
2) i like to develop and play around with the phone rather than being stuck with whats packaged on it from the manufacturer.

Why not iphone:-
1) needs alot more features to caputure techy type guys.
2) It doesnt operate well in Kuwait ;)

[racerx_]

well, here's the perspective of a guy with an iphone and a trinity and thinking of getting a kaiser..

the thing about the iphone is that it doesn't do everything.. missing a lot of features.. but what it does, it does really well. I'd say, as simply a phone, it rocks. I can live without the missing stuff just for a phone. But it can't even compare if you're looking for real productivity like you get on a pda such as the kaiser. In fact, you get used to the iphone keyboard really fast and it's not so bad.. but just day to day stuff gets annoying.. setting appointments is clumsy.. no built in to do list, or Word docs...

that plus no mms, video recording, 3G, etc will wear on you in time i think..

but to be honest.. i've never had so much fun playing with a phone as with the iphone haha.. the problem is, i need something to get the job done, not just keep me entertained.