Flashing a Kaiser Rom on to a Hermes

[aaronsmckee]

To the Rom chefs out there (btw you guys are the greatest), how difficult would it be to flash a kaiser rom on to a hermes? Would it be impossible or feasible? The reason I ask is that I am intrested in the software features of the kaiser but it will not be available in the states for a while (and my company may not upgrade for a while). I'm not sure how similar devices handle roms but if I could get a hermes with touchflo, built in improved home and com managers, and an app to recognize business cards... well that would rock. Just an idea I would appreciate any feedback.

[Leechoonhwee]

Itz not difficult... only question is... does it work??? :)

[mikenruiz]

I would love to see that, but that is a hell of a question "Will it work?"!

[austinsnyc]

Here is a short answer for you... HELL NO but if you like try it and then send me your bricked hermes!

[danik]

Won't work out of the box, but you can extract whatever you want and cook it into your own ROM, using one of existing Hermes ROMs as a base.

[aaronsmckee]

Would it be possible to switch out the touch.dll file with the one from the kaiser to try to get touchflo working on the hermes (I'm comfertable setting up the business card recognizer through a cab)?

[leoiden]

ok we need members that have created there own cooked roms to give us reallistic insight on how to pull this of?

[reitjam]

ok we need members that have created there own cooked roms to give us reallistic insight on how to pull this of?

i take no credit for this, i am a noob loke you all, i myself like the att base that i get from vp3G you exrtact the base using romdonalds, you can cook with it to, but i cant understand it, i need to take more time. however i take the base and use it with pandora's build os, i also put added stuff in the pandora with Bennec83's instructions.

any spelling mistakes you find, suck it. i have been up since 4am and i need to get up at 4 again

ROMDonalds Kitchen v1.0 - The Educational Kitchen
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=319970&highlight=romdonalds

vp3G's WM6 v3.0 -- [The official "official" AT&T ROM]
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=317952&highlight=vp3G

Pandora Kitchen - v6.0 Build it YOUR way [updated 08/13/07 @ 14:19]http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=316881&highlight=pandora

Bennec83's cab-oem

1: Download CAB Manager from Rapidshare or Megaupload
2: Unpack the CABManager.exe and run it
3: Drop your CAB into CAB manager
4: Extract all the files in the CAB, to do this click the icon 3left from the XML button (It has SEL in small letters at the top of the button) LEAVE THE CABManager.exe RUNNING AS YOU WILL NEED IT FOR STEP 10
5: Go into the folder that you extracted your CAB to, there will be an *.inf (* = Name of the CAB), delete it as it is not needed
6: There will also be another folder inside the directory where you extracted the CAB, this will probably be called "Windows" or "Program Files"
These files contain all the files that are supposed to be in each directory on your device. i.e. all files in "Program Files" will get installed to the "Program Files" on your device when you install the CAB.
Never-the-less, these directories are not needed as we want all the files in the same folder, so copy the contents of each folder, into the folder where you extracted the CAB, do this for all folders that were extracted from the CAB
7: Go Here To Generate A GUID. Set it to "Version 4:Random" and press "Get" (It should look something like this - 21f768ec-4901-11dc-8314-0800200c9a66 - I will Note it as <GUID> instead of loads of numbers for ease of typing)
8: Go into the folder you extracted your CAB to, with all the files out of their directories, create TWO new text files.
For the FIRST text file: name it with the GUID you just generated in step 7 and change the file extension from "<GUID>.txt" to "<GUID>.dsm", press yes to the "Change File Extension" Warning
For the SECOND text file: give it the SAME GUID as above, but change the extension from "<GUID>.txt" to "<GUID>.rgu", press yes to the "Change File Extension" Warning
9: OPEN the "<GUID>.rgu" and select "SAVE AS.." select "UNICODE" (Default is ANSI), then go to the "Save as Type" Menu and select "All Files" and select your "<GUID>.rgu" and select "Yes" to the "Are you Sure You Want To Replace" warning
10: Go back to CABManager.exe and select the "XML" button, and a new window will pop up. In the new window select the tab "Registry Keys"
This will show you all of the REG Keys related to that CAB (If there are any, sometimes the software doesn’t need any so there will be nothing here!!)
Assuming that there are REG Keys, copy them all into the "<GUID>.rgu" and save it, REMEMBER TO SAVE AS "UNICODE"
Next you MUST make sure that the following is in the "<GUID>.rgu"
A: TOP LINE MUST say "REGEDIT4" (no ""), followed by a blank line, eg to follow:
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\HTC\Customize]
"Ver" = "1.0"
this must change to:
REGEDIT4
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\HTC\Customize]
"Ver" = "1.0"
B: Go to the end of the "<GUID>.rgu" and ensure that after the last line of text there is another blank line
AFTER you have edited the "<GUID>.rgu" with the correct things, SAVE IT AS "UNICODE"
11: 1: Download this "option.xml" from Rapidshare or SendSpace
Open the "option.xml" and edit the bits that need editing.
you will see what I mean, as I have created the option.xml to be self explanatory!!!
I hope this helps, if you have any questions PM me

OEM folder of HTC rom here: form pof
Kaiser dump thread
http://rapidshare.com/files/42085076/KAISER_OEM.7z.html

P.S. i would live to see the apps ported but when i try to cook even known stuff i get errors and discuraged so i stop

i am on vp3G's Vir. 3.0 it is what i need until someone puts something i can use up.

thanks to the cooks, and things that make you say huummmm

[N-DEE]

In case somebody is searching the cab-manager now ;-)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=317358

[Lordsmiff]

Jesus, do none of you read anything any more? I don't like "n00b" bashing but when there's so many of you who have obviously read absolutely f*** all, then I'm thinking you're all fair game.

There are already LOTS of threads about ROMs with the Kaiser comm manager, dialler etc built in - there's been god knows how many attempts to get touchflo working, cooking in kaiser's touch.dll, hacking the old one, creating new ones, all about why you can't flash another device's ROM on to a hermes - mulitple threads about every damn thing you've been talking about, some of them not even that far away from the front page and none of you have taken the effort to have a look.

FFS, it's like painting a target on your back and going for a walk on a shooting range...

[Mark Crouch]

LOL......nicely said Smiffy :)

It's kinda like "the blind leading the deaf and stupid"....every time a new device hits the shelves, hoards of wombats want everything it has to offer on their old technology...arrgghhh!!!

Mark.

PS. Do you think I could flash the Kaiser ROM onto my Voyager....:D

[shogunmark]

FFS, it's like painting a target on your back and going for a walk on a shooting range...

best statement of the year award!

[austinsnyc]

ok we need members that have created there own cooked roms to give us reallistic insight on how to pull this of?

Here is some insite! IT cant be done! you can take certain apps and features from the kiaser rom which has been done many many times if you search for kiaser im sure you will find the home plug in the dail pad and the com manger and im sure some other things but here is a little hint you cant port the touchflow many have tried and come close but it just wont work yet! you can not flash another devices rom to the hermes sorry just wont work.

[ach2]

Jesus, do none of you read anything any more? I don't like "n00b" bashing but when there's so many of you who have obviously read absolutely f*** all, then I'm thinking you're all fair game.

There are already LOTS of threads about ROMs with the Kaiser comm manager, dialler etc built in - there's been god knows how many attempts to get touchflo working, cooking in kaiser's touch.dll, hacking the old one, creating new ones, all about why you can't flash another device's ROM on to a hermes - mulitple threads about every damn thing you've been talking about, some of them not even that far away from the front page and none of you have taken the effort to have a look.

FFS, it's like painting a target on your back and going for a walk on a shooting range...

But seriously, if I cant flash the Kaiser Rom to my Tytn, can I port it into i-phone. Then I won't have any communication devices to post stupid questions again :D :D

[aaronsmckee]

I hear what you are saying, I actually run a tweaked out Hermes with HTC home (latest version from shen) dialer (older version I don't like the 3g video dialer) and com manager (10 button kaiser) though I use the offical att rom as my base. I have read the threads EXTENSIVELY both here and on other sites 4windows mobile tri-syndicate etc.(Stuff by JJ, Custel, etc.) I've even played with the Touchflo Alpha cab. My question was if it would be possible to take the whole kaiser rom (as opposed to extracting portions of it and loading them into one of the hermes roms) and load it on to a hermes, mainly because the issue (from what I have read) with touchflo is the touch.dll file and how it functions (wizard, kaiser, and elf similar, heremes is different) and this dead ends most projects. I was thinking that perhaps flashing the whole ROM might get around this (basically try to run a kaiser on a hermes, I was hoping that the devices were similar enough it might work). I guess the answer is no. The other thought I had was that perhaps the new offical release might be easier to work with (and the business card app is pretty sweet). I am somewhat technical but not a developer (though I work for for a large development firm) perhaps I misunderstood how a rom works and flashing the entire thing will not be posible nor will it solve any of the issues the chefs have been running into. It was just an idea.

[Leechoonhwee]

I hear what you are saying, I actually run a tweaked out Hermes with HTC home (latest version from shen) dialer (older version I don't like the 3g video dialer) and com manager (10 button kaiser) though I use the offical att rom as my base. I have read the threads EXTENSIVELY both here and on other sites 4windows mobile tri-syndicate etc.(Stuff by JJ, Custel, etc.) I've even played with the Touchflo Alpha cab. My question was if it would be possible to take the whole kaiser rom (as opposed to extracting portions of it and loading them into one of the hermes roms) and load it on to a hermes, mainly because the issue (from what I have read) with touchflo is the touch.dll file and how it functions (wizard, kaiser, and elf similar, heremes is different) and this dead ends most projects. I was thinking that perhaps flashing the whole ROM might get around this (basically try to run a kaiser on a hermes, I was hoping that the devices were similar enough it might work). I guess the answer is no. The other thought I had was that perhaps the new offical release might be easier to work with (and the business card app is pretty sweet). I am somewhat technical but not a developer (though I work for for a large development firm) perhaps I misunderstood how a rom works and flashing the entire thing will not be posible nor will it solve any of the issues the chefs have been running into. It was just an idea.

Touch.dll on a kaiser wun work on hermes... Datz the problem :)

[JudgeDredd67]

If at first you don't succeed then make the target BIGGER!

[pvs]

What was that that LordSmiff said? It was sooo long, I couldn't read the whole thing.

Oh never mind. I forgot, I wouldn't bother reading your answer, either.:confused:

Can somebody pleeeeaaaasssseee make a video of alll this stuff on the forum. I can watch TV ok.

Anyway ... I just pre-ordered my Kaiser. Is there any way to flash my Hermes ROM onto it so I don't need to learn anything new?

Puuullllleeeeaaasssse help me!!!

Oh, and my keyboard makes a ? whenever I type a *. Haven't seen anything mentioned about this problem here.

:D :D :D

-pvs

[mcorrie1121]

Oh, and my keyboard makes a ? whenever I type a *. Haven't seen anything mentioned about this problem here.




I had this problem. Use HTCustom and go all the way over to the "keyboard" tab and choose the correct one (I have AT&T/Cingular, so I chose that).

[pvs]

I had this problem. Use HTCustom and go all the way over to the "keyboard" tab and choose the correct one (I have AT&T/Cingular, so I chose that).

Ummmm ... I was being a little sarcastic. :p Yes, I know ... it's just one of the questions that's been posted a few thousand times already ... probably will be again tomorrow.

Thanks for answering, though. ;)

-pvs

[cp1md2b]

What was that that LordSmiff said? It was sooo long, I couldn't read the whole thing.

Oh never mind. I forgot, I wouldn't bother reading your answer, either.:confused:

Can somebody pleeeeaaaasssseee make a video of alll this stuff on the forum. I can watch TV ok.

Anyway ... I just pre-ordered my Kaiser. Is there any way to flash my Hermes ROM onto it so I don't need to learn anything new?

Puuullllleeeeaaasssse help me!!!

Oh, and my keyboard makes a ? whenever I type a *. Haven't seen anything mentioned about this problem here.

:D :D :D

-pvs



That was funny as hell. I laughed for about minutes. No shit. Your point is very correct.

[Lordsmiff]

I hear what you are saying, I actually run a tweaked out Hermes with HTC home (latest version from shen) dialer (older version I don't like the 3g video dialer) and com manager (10 button kaiser) though I use the offical att rom as my base. I have read the threads EXTENSIVELY both here and on other sites 4windows mobile tri-syndicate etc.(Stuff by JJ, Custel, etc.) I've even played with the Touchflo Alpha cab. My question was if it would be possible to take the whole kaiser rom (as opposed to extracting portions of it and loading them into one of the hermes roms) and load it on to a hermes, mainly because the issue (from what I have read) with touchflo is the touch.dll file and how it functions (wizard, kaiser, and elf similar, heremes is different) and this dead ends most projects. I was thinking that perhaps flashing the whole ROM might get around this (basically try to run a kaiser on a hermes, I was hoping that the devices were similar enough it might work). I guess the answer is no. The other thought I had was that perhaps the new offical release might be easier to work with (and the business card app is pretty sweet). I am somewhat technical but not a developer (though I work for for a large development firm) perhaps I misunderstood how a rom works and flashing the entire thing will not be posible nor will it solve any of the issues the chefs have been running into. It was just an idea.

OK, lack of understanding is forgiveable so I will answer your question :)

The ROMs for a given device contain drivers for only that device - unlike desktop windows that has drivers for everything. So if you were to flash it on, there would be no drivers for anything. Some devices might use the same compnents but that will be answered by my next point :)

Even though the devices might contain the same hardware, there will be some differences somewhere, so that affects the "layout" of the memory (as I understand it - there are far cleverer people on here who have a much better grasp of this stuff than I) and this is where the bricking comes in - if all the ROM is written to the wrong areas of flash memory, you can render the device totally dead - the lights are on but there's nobody home (possibly because the front door is no longer where it should be or the rooms have been put in upside down...IYKWIM :) )

Now as far as the specifics between the Kaiser and the Hermes (and the Elf) the touch screens are different hardware-wise so the drivers for onw, will not work on another. Why technically this is so, is beyond me but there are some talented people who are trying to cobble together a touch.dll that will work with touchflo on the hermes but the last time I looked, it wasn't working and TBH, I'm not going to hold my breath for it because it looks crap to me now :) It would have been fun for 2 minutes but then it would just pi$$ me off because it seems pretty limited.

The work done by schen and various others on the HTC Home plugin is outstanding and I now use this all the time - better than touchflo. If you want the finger scrolly (technical terms) contact manager stuff then checkout erm...contact manager or pocketCM i think it's called now. Another very good and small option is icontact. I've made a cab for this if you want a nice installer thing but I don't thinik it uninstalls properly (though as you can just delete the folder, it's not a big deal as it doesn't make registry entries or anything)

So, hopefully, this has answered your questions in a much friendlier way and will help a few of you to take the targets of your back that several people are linig up in their sights right now ;-)

Cheers,
Smiffy.

[mcorrie1121]

Ummmm ... I was being a little sarcastic. :p Yes, I know ... it's just one of the questions that's been posted a few thousand times already ... probably will be again tomorrow.

Thanks for answering, though. ;)

-pvs


Hm. I think i may have been distracted by the Mariners game i was watching. or something. Cuz that went WAAAAAAY over my head haha :rolleyes:

Guess everyone gets their blonde moments....

[aaronsmckee]

Smiffy,

Thank You! I now understand why it did not work (and btw understand my phone better). Looks like I will have to wait for the 8925 (and then replace the cingular rom). Thank you again for explaining how roms work I will offically never ask this kind of question again.:)