ATT Kaiser pricing and release update

[RacerX10]

The IP address your device is leased when using WAP is a NATted addresss (10.x.x.x) and the IP address when using ISP is not (166.129.x.x)


It's not because your NAT'd that you can't PPTP, it's because their proxy doesn't pass GRE properly, so PPTP won't work.

IPsec VPN doesn't use GRE, so it works fine on wap.cingular


DLD

[warwickwebb]

AT&T are getting wise to that and cutting people off from media max who have PDA phones. Article was posted on boygenius and engadget just recently about that.
AT&T's data plans are rediculously high. I get unlimited (ok edge only) from Tmobile for 19 bucks. That includes all the hotspots. 3G is great I agree but really for most things edge is fine I get 145KBPs unless I am trying to dl a HUGE amount of data I have no problem. Lets me stream at 65KBPs AAC and thats really all I need.

Do you have the links for the articles about this on engadget/bgr? I couldn't find anything like this on engadget. BGR seems to be down right now unfortunately....

If this is the case I guess I'll just have to suck it up and pay for the unlimited data PDA plan, sigh.

[vasquja]

Not sure if this is old news, but it's on their site now:

http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/phones-devices/all-phones/?_requestid=41619

[Park City]

It's not because your NAT'd that you can't PPTP, it's because their proxy doesn't pass GRE properly, so PPTP won't work.

IPsec VPN doesn't use GRE, so it works fine on wap.cingular


DLD

Agreed. I was just pointing out the difference in leased IP address space between WAP and ISP APNs.

[lithboy]

what's the difference between 'PDA Personal Max' and 'PDA Personal Max - Tethering'?

on t-mobile with my wizard, i would just need to go to Personal Area Networking in my bluetooth trayapp on my laptop, and i'd be connected to the EDGE network. does that not work with the kaiser on AT&T without the tethering plan?

[Dan.308]

what's the difference between 'PDA Personal Max' and 'PDA Personal Max - Tethering'?

on t-mobile with my wizard, i would just need to go to Personal Area Networking in my bluetooth trayapp on my laptop, and i'd be connected to the EDGE network. does that not work with the kaiser on AT&T without the tethering plan?



Both get you unlited wireless internet from your PDA. Tethering lets you connect your PDA to your laptop as a modem through USB, Infrared, or Bluetooth depending on the devices. The internet that is delivered to your PDA is customized to be more compatible with the limited screen size, graphics ability, and smaller cache that it is typically on a PDA. Thethering bypasses the PDA display and cache to give you a full HTML connection on your laptop. Tethered: www.yahoo.com=www.yahoo.com, untethered:www=yahoo.com=www.us.m.yahoo.com (limited graphics and no flash content, just text links)

[DJayRage]

T-Mobile doesn't have 3G yet, so in the areas where AT&T has 3G, it's considerably faster. In EDGE areas it should be comparable.

Once you've used 3G anything less is substandard.

Cool thanks, I'm in Chicago so AT&T does have 3G here.

[kavi]

Any idea about the SIM LOCK status on the 8925?

[Dan.308]

Do you have the links for the articles about this on engadget/bgr? I couldn't find anything like this on engadget. BGR seems to be down right now unfortunately....

If this is the case I guess I'll just have to suck it up and pay for the unlimited data PDA plan, sigh.


I've mentioned before that I work for AT&T Mobility. Yes this is happening now. In fact we are locking down our billing system so that only the correct feature codes are available for the device you have. Trust me, its for the better. With the wrong feature on your plan the bill can get out of control very easily and to fix it you will be forced onto the correct feature. I regularly see bills in excess of $10,000 of internet charges that are run up in just a few days. We have a High Risk Dept that watches for this. We have other depts that regularly sweep the network for mismatches to try and prevent billing issues. Unfortunately the down side to being the largest carrier with the most options is that it does take more time to do this. A large part of the problem is training but unfortunately people make mistakes regardless of how much training we give.

When we find hat customers intentionally did not update their equipment or they have an unlocked device(another subject) with the wrong profiles in it. they are 100% responsible for the charges. All of our data devices and services clearly explain for what they are intended. The prices are higher for our PDA plans because we have the largest data network in the country and more roaming agreements than anyone else. We have more 3G than anyopne else and we are spending $15Million a week to deploy it Nationwide. It takes time becasue of licensing and other FCC regulations. Smaller companies like TMobile can offer it for less because they have smaller networks and less capability. Some may not remember or know TMobile is only in business today because Deutch Telecom bought them so they would have a GSM roaming carrier in the US for European customers. A year later they almost dropped the whole thing when Cingular began the Genisys conversion to GSM.

Unlocked phones: Carriers lock them not to control you but to make sure that your service runs as smoothly as it can. Every carrier's software is unique. It took over a year to blend the old AT&T with Cingular's network when we 1st purchased AT&T's wireless customers. The phones have among other things to operate properly what is called an IRDB(Intelligent Roaming Data Base) that tells them what networks and frequencies to use. Without this properly loaded you may drop calls where you show full signal, messages may be delayed or never delivered, you may get no signal where you should. If the phone is unlocked it may not be able to receive the updates that the network sends out. When a new tower comes online the update is sent. If a particular switch or METSO is down and calls need to route to other channels or carrier's towers you may not get this. I probably talk to 10 people a week that have unlocked phones and the only thing they can do is make calls. Even if we walk them through manual programming often they can still only make voice calls. They show roaming on their bills where they shouldn't. They frequently have service issues when are none reported by Engineering.

I'm off my soapbox for now.

[avega1027]

If we can remove the telenav and install tomtom since we have to pay for telenav, i will definitely buy from AT&T.

you can do exactly that, even install other GPS software other than TT.:D

[avega1027]

I've mentioned before that I work for AT&T Mobility. Yes this is happening now. In fact we are locking down our billing system so that only the correct feature codes are available for the device you have. Trust me, its for the better. With the wrong feature on your plan the bill can get out of control very easily and to fix it you will be forced onto the correct feature. I regularly see bills in excess of $10,000 of internet charges that are run up in just a few days. We have a High Risk Dept that watches for this. We have other depts that regularly sweep the network for mismatches to try and prevent billing issues. Unfortunately the down side to being the largest carrier with the most options is that it does take more time to do this. A large part of the problem is training but unfortunately people make mistakes regardless of how much training we give.

When we find hat customers intentionally did not update their equipment or they have an unlocked device(another subject) with the wrong profiles in it. they are 100% responsible for the charges. All of our data devices and services clearly explain for what they are intended. The prices are higher for our PDA plans because we have the largest data network in the country and more roaming agreements than anyone else. We have more 3G than anyopne else and we are spending $15Million a week to deploy it Nationwide. It takes time becasue of licensing and other FCC regulations. Smaller companies like TMobile can offer it for less because they have smaller networks and less capability. Some may not remember or know TMobile is only in business today because Deutch Telecom bought them so they would have a GSM roaming carrier in the US for European customers. A year later they almost dropped the whole thing when Cingular began the Genisys conversion to GSM.

Unlocked phones: Carriers lock them not to control you but to make sure that your service runs as smoothly as it can. Every carrier's software is unique. It took over a year to blend the old AT&T with Cingular's network when we 1st purchased AT&T's wireless customers. The phones have among other things to operate properly what is called an IRDB(Intelligent Roaming Data Base) that tells them what networks and frequencies to use. Without this properly loaded you may drop calls where you show full signal, messages may be delayed or never delivered, you may get no signal where you should. If the phone is unlocked it may not be able to receive the updates that the network sends out. When a new tower comes online the update is sent. If a particular switch or METSO is down and calls need to route to other channels or carrier's towers you may not get this. I probably talk to 10 people a week that have unlocked phones and the only thing they can do is make calls. Even if we walk them through manual programming often they can still only make voice calls. They show roaming on their bills where they shouldn't. They frequently have service issues when are none reported by Engineering.

I'm off my soapbox for now.

Nice, but how about when you have lets say a TREO 750(locked to AT&T) & you call AT&T to get an unlock code so you can you use it overseas. Now the phone is unlocked, what do you guys do about that?

[kavi]

Unlocked phones: Carriers lock them not to control you but to make sure that your service runs as smoothly as it can. Every carrier's software is unique.


So basically you are saying that ATT has something "special" than the 699 GSM mobile phone operators across 217 countries. "COOL!"

Wish I was born yesterday.

According to your statement if I bring a phone from India and pop-in a ATT prepaid SIM I will,

1. have dropped calls
2. No data access
3. Will lose track of hand overs across cell sites
......
never had any of those problems roaming anywhere in the word. Perhaps ATT is "Special"

Furthermore $$$$ data bills are caused by employees,
Read the Sticky at Hofo The Official Feature Flip Thread! (http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1205335)

[Dan.308]

So basically you are saying that ATT has something "special" than the 699 GSM mobile phone operators across 217 countries. "COOL!"

Wish I was born yesterday.

According to your statement if I bring a phone from India and pop-in a ATT prepaid SIM I will,

1. have dropped calls
2. No data access
3. Will lose track of hand overs across cell sites
......
never had any of those problems roaming anywhere in the word. Perhaps ATT is "Special"

Furthermore $$$$ data bills are caused by employees,
Read the Sticky at Hofo The Official Feature Flip Thread! (http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1205335)

I'm not saying you are guaranteed to have problems. I'm saying that you can have problems. I see it everyday. And yes ill-trained or just plain bad employees can cause billing errors. I commented to that point. People make mistakes no matter how much training is provided. But customers who do not educate themselves or try to work the system create billing issues for themselves as well. I see that everyday as well. Part of my job involves investigating Fraud and High Risk accounts. And before it's asked I am not biased by this. I began in sales and I am a conscious consumer.

I never said AT&T was "special". I explained that carriers (plural) lock there phones because their software is unique. Maybe I should have elaborated for you. Voice and data on cellular networks are different. The post was in regard to having to go to the PDA Unlimited plans because the Media Net packages are being removed from PDA phones.

No one was called out or charged with anything in my post. It was merely a reply to help people make an informed decision and understand why certain policies are implemented.

Before you berate someone and make insinuations please read the context and use a dictionary if you need to. Ask for help with the meaning of the big words. And if you have a cell phone and claim to have never dropped a call, had no access, or lost a hand over across towers
"1. have dropped calls
2. No data access
3. Will lose track of hand overs across cell sites
......
never had any of those problems roaming anywhere in the word."
then you are surely the most special person in the world.:D

[ptdw]

Picked mine up today (10/3) from a ATT retail store. $349.99 after rebate.

-pd

Picked up four more today (DirectPush deployment here in the office). This is in Houston, TX. Quite a few stores here received the phones yesterday.

-pd

[Dan.308]

Nice, but how about when you have lets say a TREO 750(locked to AT&T) & you call AT&T to get an unlock code so you can you use it overseas. Now the phone is unlocked, what do you guys do about that?

The phone is now unlocked but it already had the AT&T software in it. It will work fine on AT&T but there remains the potential for issues on other carrier networks.

[kavi]

I'm not saying you are guaranteed to have problems. I'm saying that you can have problems. I see it everyday. And yes ill-trained or just plain bad employees can cause billing errors. I commented to that point. People make mistakes no matter how much training is provided. But customers who do not educate themselves or try to work the system create billing issues for themselves as well. I see that everyday as well. Part of my job involves investigating Fraud and High Risk accounts. And before it's asked I am not biased by this. I began in sales and I am a conscious consumer.

I never said AT&T was "special". I explained that carriers (plural) lock there phones because their software is unique. Maybe I should have elaborated for you. Voice and data on cellular networks are different. The post was in regard to having to go to the PDA Unlimited plans because the Media Net packages are being removed from PDA phones.

No one was called out or charged with anything in my post. It was merely a reply to help people make an informed decision and understand why certain policies are implemented.

Before you berate someone and make insinuations please read the context and use a dictionary if you need to. Ask for help with the meaning of the big words. And if you have a cell phone and claim to have never dropped a call, had no access, or lost a hand over across towers
"1. have dropped calls
2. No data access
3. Will lose track of hand overs across cell sites
......
never had any of those problems roaming anywhere in the word."
then you are surely the most special person in the world.:D

{Replying with a dictionary in one hand and Dict (http://dictionary.reference.com/) on the secondary monitors}

Just wanted to point out that just because you have an unlocked device does not mean you need to suffer from bad coverage or service interruptions. It's quite obvious that calls get dropped while using any service provider (happens even on Iridium) but that has nothing to do with your device being locked or not.

BTW: check your PM's from time to time.. I will be definitely consulting you when I come across "BIG WORDS" - *258}

[RacerX10]

I'm not saying you are guaranteed to have problems. I'm saying that you can have problems. I see it everyday. And yes ill-trained or just plain bad employees can cause billing errors. I commented to that point. People make mistakes no matter how much training is provided. But customers who do not educate themselves or try to work the system create billing issues for themselves as well. I see that everyday as well. Part of my job involves investigating Fraud and High Risk accounts. And before it's asked I am not biased by this. I began in sales and I am a conscious consumer.

I never said AT&T was "special". I explained that carriers (plural) lock there phones because their software is unique. Maybe I should have elaborated for you. Voice and data on cellular networks are different. The post was in regard to having to go to the PDA Unlimited plans because the Media Net packages are being removed from PDA phones.

No one was called out or charged with anything in my post. It was merely a reply to help people make an informed decision and understand why certain policies are implemented.

The reason I'm skirting the pda data / media net system is because ATT is charging double for the same service on PDA data plans. It's rediculous.

I personally won't be getting any more data transfer on a media net plan than I would on a PDA plan, I'm just paying a REASONABLE amount of money for the service instead of overpaying.

[randomtask16]

Not sure if this is old news, but it's on their site now:

http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/phones-devices/all-phones/?_requestid=41619

Its not on my premier site...
And it WAS on the list in this link, but has just been been removed from what I can tell

[kavi]

Its not on my premier site...
And it WAS on the list in this link, but has just been been removed from what I can tell

Yep, Not in the premier site. Was in that link few minutes ago. But the page header was titled " BB 8800....." :confused:

BTW no Touchflo on the tilt?
http://mobilitysite.com/2007/10/mobilitysitecoms-att-8925-tilt-review/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpXHRtmtlFs

[Dan.308]

The reason I'm skirting the pda data / media net system is because ATT is charging double for the same service on PDA data plans. It's rediculous.

I personally won't be getting any more data transfer on a media net plan than I would on a PDA plan, I'm just paying a REASONABLE amount of money for the service instead of overpaying.



"Rediculous" and "reasonable" are matters of interpretation. What you feel to be may not be what others feel. Some find the prices very reasonable. Some don't. That's why there is not one universal carrier that everyone wants without complaint. The charge for MediaNet is lower than the charge for PDA Unlimited. No one is arguing that. The price is based on the premium of the service. No you wont transmit anymore or any less data on either plan its the quality of service the device provides. MediaNet was created before we had Smart phones and PDA phones. The charge was associated with the average amount of data that those older devices could display and the speed the network could deliver. Originally you had to purchase your internet, SMS, and MMS separately. Now it all comes bundles for less than just the cost of internet originally did. Technology has progressed and prices for PDA are increased for the premium of the services. Eventually prices go down as saturation increases. The vast majority of customers do not have the type of services and devices we on this forum use.

Choose whatever works best or you. The price for the features and services is set for now though.

[lithboy]

Both get you unlited wireless internet from your PDA. Tethering lets you connect your PDA to your laptop as a modem through USB, Infrared, or Bluetooth depending on the devices. The internet that is delivered to your PDA is customized to be more compatible with the limited screen size, graphics ability, and smaller cache that it is typically on a PDA. Thethering bypasses the PDA display and cache to give you a full HTML connection on your laptop. Tethered: www.yahoo.com=www.yahoo.com, untethered:www=yahoo.com=www.us.m.yahoo.com (limited graphics and no flash content, just text links)

so that means that i'll be going from tethered EDGE with wifi hotspots at starbucks and airports for $40, to untethered 3G without wifi hotspots for $44? man, i would have loved to switch to this phone, but now i'm reconsidering...

[Illrigger]

Glad to hear you have such a good experience with T-Mob. Up here in the Seattle area (where the other three networks have very good 3G coverage) T-Mob's coverage is so bad that you MUST have a hotspot to get decent reception. And it's a pretty common thing in other areas too - which is why they're pushing adding a hotspot to your home. So more commonly it's $40 a month for spotty coverage with EDGE and the occasional hotspot vs $44 for 3G speeds everywhere in the city. I'll pay the extra $4, thanks.

[RacerX10]

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[RacerX10]

"Rediculous" and "reasonable" are matters of interpretation. What you feel to be may not be what others feel. Some find the prices very reasonable. Some don't. That's why there is not one universal carrier that everyone wants without complaint. The charge for MediaNet is lower than the charge for PDA Unlimited. No one is arguing that. The price is based on the premium of the service. No you wont transmit anymore or any less data on either plan its the quality of service the device provides. MediaNet was created before we had Smart phones and PDA phones. The charge was associated with the average amount of data that those older devices could display and the speed the network could deliver. Originally you had to purchase your internet, SMS, and MMS separately. Now it all comes bundles for less than just the cost of internet originally did. Technology has progressed and prices for PDA are increased for the premium of the services. Eventually prices go down as saturation increases. The vast majority of customers do not have the type of services and devices we on this forum use.

Choose whatever works best or you. The price for the features and services is set for now though.

i would respectfully disagree that there is much room for interpretation

let's so i go to www.xda-developers.com and load the main page on a media net account.

x amount of data has transversed your network to arrive on my device

now i go to www.xda-developers.com and load the main page on an pda account

x amount of data (again) has traversed your network to arrive on my device

in instance one, you've charged me 40 dollars for that data
in instance two, you've charged me 20 dollars for that data

how is there any justification for double the charge for the same service and same operating cost to ATT ?


much respect ..

DLD

[Illrigger]

C'mon, it's obvious - they're prorating the bandwidth depending on average usage patterns.

The difference being, MediaNet is meant to be used on phones whith screens the size of a Razrs', vs PDA and smartphone customers who are much more likely to download more. The vast majority of users will be not using much bandwidth on clamshells because of the impracticality of the UI on the small screen. A smartphone user pays more because while it's a pain to navigate, the screen is large enough to be usable, and hence they will DL more than a clamshell user but it will still not be a constant thing. A PDA is pretty much able to browse just like a PC, and users of them are likely to use the feature extensively, so they pay the most. This is also why they charge more for tethering.

Remember, bandwidth isn't free to AT&T either. They pay someone by volume for traffic, and their pricing is based on a prediction of how much you'll use.

[lithboy]

Glad to hear you have such a good experience with T-Mob. Up here in the Seattle area (where the other three networks have very good 3G coverage) T-Mob's coverage is so bad that you MUST have a hotspot to get decent reception. And it's a pretty common thing in other areas too - which is why they're pushing adding a hotspot to your home. So more commonly it's $40 a month for spotty coverage with EDGE and the occasional hotspot vs $44 for 3G speeds everywhere in the city. I'll pay the extra $4, thanks.

I have no problems with TMobile, as I live in a pretty urban area.

The biggest problem I have with the AT&T transition would be losing tethering. That totally sucks.

[freeborock]

Everyone Nov. 9 is the date, so 5 more days for AT&T!

[Illrigger]

Everyone Nov. 9 is the date, so 5 more days for AT&T!

Huh? What are you talking about?

[RemE]

I walked into an AT&T store today on the off chance that they might have some form of case for the Kaiser since Tilt is due any day, nope.

Well, in about 2 minutes I had most all of the sales folks at my counter. None of them had physically seen a TyTN II. Mine's tweaked with JasJamings Black Theme, SlingBox with my own Black Skin, PocketCM in WM6 black, Google Maps with GPS, iGuidance and more. They were pretty dazzled, but more fun was watching the other customers holding iPhone boxes, looking over to see what the comotion was :cool:

The manager there said the 6th or 9th, but I got the impression that they really had no idea.

[herg62123]

I walked into an AT&T store today on the off chance that they might have some form of case for the Kaiser since Tilt is due any day, nope.

Well, in about 2 minutes I had most all of the sales folks at my counter. None of them had physically seen a TyTN II. Mine's tweaked with JasJamings Black Theme, SlingBox with my own Black Skin, PocketCM in WM6 black, Google Maps with GPS, iGuidance and more. They were pretty dazzled, but more fun was watching the other customers holding iPhone boxes, looking over to see what the comotion was :cool:

The manager there said the 6th or 9th, but I got the impression that they really had no idea.
try october 5th, meaning tomorrow.

i will download an internal doc i got from my inside source here in a little bit.

this is an e-mail all employees got today.

see ya in line to get one.

[Entropy512]

i would respectfully disagree that there is much room for interpretation

let's so i go to www.xda-developers.com and load the main page on a media net account.

x amount of data has transversed your network to arrive on my device

now i go to www.xda-developers.com and load the main page on an pda account

x amount of data (again) has traversed your network to arrive on my device

in instance one, you've charged me 40 dollars for that data
in instance two, you've charged me 20 dollars for that data

how is there any justification for double the charge for the same service and same operating cost to ATT ?


much respect ..

DLD

MEdia Net = NATed
ISP = Not NATed

IP addresses are a scarce resource, no NAT is worth extra money.

[pho]

try october 5th, meaning tomorrow.

i will download an internal doc i got from my inside source here in a little bit.

this is an e-mail all employees got today.

see ya in line to get one.

the manager in my local store, (for whatever its worth) said "there not here yet, were probably looking at monday"

I'm taking that as an out of his A$$ comment so i'm ordering online :)

[weinson]

my local store has four which they will sell to first come tomorrow am ... so I am going to order online. Just waiting to see it posted online ... nothing yet

the manager in my local store, (for whatever its worth) said "there not here yet, were probably looking at monday"

I'm taking that as an out of his A$$ comment so i'm ordering online :)

[pho]

NOW AVAILABLE
http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/atttilt/?_requestid=6590

except not so much :)

the photo here is correct http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/phones-devices/all-phones/?_requestid=6287

[herg62123]

http://rapidshare.com/files/60350942/001.jpg.html

this picture is from a friend of mine that works for at&t.

this is from a 20 page document that was e-mailoed to all employees today informing the employees about when the tilt is coming out.

[weinson]

NOW AVAILABLE
http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/atttilt/?_requestid=6590

except not so much :)

the photo here is correct http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/phones-devices/all-phones/?_requestid=6287

Thanks for the post! Just called, and the rep saw the device online but could not order it for me. Looks like I am SOL until tomorrow (or maybe after midnight).

[austinsnyc]

Thanks for the post! Just called, and the rep saw the device online but could not order it for me. Looks like I am SOL until tomorrow (or maybe after midnight).

if you click on the tilt's image it shows a Hermes lol... to funny!

[Bratag]

so that means that i'll be going from tethered EDGE with wifi hotspots at starbucks and airports for $40, to untethered 3G without wifi hotspots for $44? man, i would have loved to switch to this phone, but now i'm reconsidering...

Are you with Tmobile - if so why are you paying 40 bucks for data. The unlimited PDA plan + hotspots is 19.99 nowdays if added on to phone service. Call Tmobile and have them fix your account.

[weinson]

now it is available on the premier site ... $399 if I re-up for 2 year ... $474 for a one year re-up .. in either case I am thinking I should be able to use the $50 rebate (http://www.wireless.att.com/global/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/MIR_NAT_Device_110307.pdf)

[Chem E Sam]

I got mine a few hours ago!! so excited :) been playign with it for a few hours

[McHale]

Would you mind uploading the AT&T .tsk and ringtones?

-Mc

[psybill]

I am also looking for the blue theme of AT&T Tilt, please guys share the .tsk file!!

[ptdw]

I am also looking for the blue theme of AT&T Tilt, please guys share the .tsk file!!

Attached.

-pd

[psybill]

Attached.

-pd

this is it!! thanks mate:)

[ARHYTHMATIK]

Got one today as well. It's a pretty slick device-- I love the screen-tilt function. The buttons around the D-Pad are suprisingly easy to click.

My main gripe after the first few hours is the TouchFLO. It's utterly useless! Maybe it just takes some getting used to, but it sure doesn't "flo" at all! The entire device seems a bit laggy, but with a few tweeks, I'm sure that shouldn't be a problem.

Also- ATT didn't include the HTC home screen, as I'm sure some of you are aware. Just another added HASSLE, thanks to ATT. Other than that, the keyboard is awesome- battery life seems pretty decent (not saying much after light use of one day, but hey- anything positive to say on battery life is worth nothing eh?)

[Entropy512]

From what location?

The local store in Vestal, NY doesn't have any and the inventory guy hasn't even heard of the Tilt. (On the other hand, other staff members did know about it when I returned my 8525 two weeks ago.)

[vasquja]

I've called a few AT&T stores and they saying they won't have any til next week in the NYC area (probably not until the launch event, Tuesday). Anyone in the area hear/see different?

[weinson]

They have them here in San Francisco at the stores downtown .. but I ordered mine online (since the store closest to me said they had only four, and I had to come to work today rather than rush over there).

I've called a few AT&T stores and they saying they won't have any til next week in the NYC area (probably not until the launch event, Tuesday). Anyone in the area hear/see different?

[pho]

non of the stores in the south florida area seem to have them

I ordered online - Status - "processing" :) do they do saturday delivary no one seemed to be able to tell me :(

Got up at 3 am this morning with the baby , checked, and bamb, available for sale :)

[jmacdonald801]

They have them here in San Francisco at the stores downtown .. but I ordered mine online (since the store closest to me said they had only four, and I had to come to work today rather than rush over there).

Where do you order it online? I can't find a page that actually lets me buy it.

There is this page: http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/atttilt/?_requestid=6590

But no buy button.

[dscline]

From what I've been reading, so far the only online option is through Premier, if you have a Premier account.

[jmacdonald801]

From what I've been reading, so far the only online option is through Premier, if you have a Premier account.

Is that the same as a foundation account fan?)? I have one of those.

[iservealot]

I just called ATT (the main number), and they still don't have it available to order. I showed them it listed on the Business site, and they said while they could see it in their system, they still did not have the option to actually ordering it.

Maybe it will be available later in the day?

[KarmaNP]

Is that the same as a foundation account fan?)? I have one of those.

Yes it is. I've ordered mine online at 12:02 in the morning and it has a "Processing", order status. Hopefully I will receive it tomorrow, or else it's going to be a really really long weekend.

[jmacdonald801]

If you go to "Add a Line" when logged into your account (online) you can purchase it!

Can't I just order this and then cancel the second line when it gets here?

Price said $399.99

-James

[mbritten]

non of the stores in the south florida area seem to have them

I ordered online - Status - "processing" :) do they do saturday delivary no one seemed to be able to tell me :(

Got up at 3 am this morning with the baby , checked, and bamb, available for sale :)

Can you post a link? When I look I still don't see it on the at&t site.

[jmacdonald801]

Can you post a link? When I look I still don't see it on the at&t site.

Log in to your account, click on "Shop" in the top bar (or whatever it's called), you should come to a page with many options, one should be "Add a Line", it's a small blue link. When you click on that, well when I do, I get a list of phone, and the Tilt is clearly listed there and I can buy it with a second line.

I have a FAN account so maybe I'm being redirected somewhere else, but it's there for me.

I'm still trying to find a link without needed to select a plan.

-James

[projectpaki]

yea anyone know how much tilt is w/o plan?

[Entropy512]

From what I've been reading, so far the only online option is through Premier, if you have a Premier account.
I'm also fairly certain it is restricted by zip code.

I have also noticed that the Premier shop (Only accessible by clicking a link sent to your work email) is significantly different than OLAM with a FAN# associated with your account. OLAM+FAN# claims I am ineligible for an upgrade (even though I returned my 8525 within 30 days), Premier doesn't care about whether or not I have a phone already or not.

In all cases I'm still seeing the 8525 and not the Tilt in my zip code. :(

Edit: Tilt went live on Premier for zip code 13827 at noon I think. I couldn't buy it this morning, but I can now! :)

[Diggitydru]

I would post a link, but it requires that you login anyways and I dunno if the link that I would post would even work after a login, sorry.

Price Calculation
Base Price$999.99
Web Discount-$600.00
Your Price*$399.99

That's a straight copy/paste from AT&T's site. They only have it under the AT&T Premier portion. What I did was go to Add a line / individual line while logged into my account, and it'll let you go there, but if you try any other way, it doesn't show. They do have the phone under their support page, but that page is all screwed up and even mentions the BlackJack at one point in the details section for the device. I see that it doesn't have the front camera for video calls but says that you can do live video during a call which I'm assuming is with the rear camera. It comes with Blackberry connect, and many other preloaded items which seems pretty nice for those who won't be flashing their devices, but I just want to make sure that we can pick out the games and include them in some cooked roms! PAC MAN!!!!

Anyways, it's listed on their site. Cool deal cuz I've had my 8525 for 2 whole months now and it's getting old. Time to upgrade! HAHAHA! I'm such an addict!

[eagercrow]

I'm getting the same price on the premier site. Don't know about tax, but here is the break down:

Base Price $999.99
Company Discount -$450.00
Web Discount -$150.00
Your Price* $399.99
Upgrade Fee (included on first bill) $18.00
Sub-Total $417.99

no contract required, and (I've done this before with the 8525) if you print out the page with pricing from the premier site and take it into an att store (not a kiosk store) they will match the price, so no waiting!

[jmacdonald801]

I have a fan account, and I guess it redirected me to the premier web site when I went looking to buy a phone.

The prices were as stated above.

I wasn't supposed to qualify for a discount until December 26th, but when I purchased it, it got to the step where I'm suppose to choose a new plan I just clicked on "Your Cart" and checked out without selecting a plan. $399 + tax and overnight shipping.

I think it's just the standard premier discount.

-James

[eagercrow]

What did you get taxed on? The price before discount or after?

[Entropy512]

What did you get taxed on? The price before discount or after?

After, and including tax on the $18 upgrade fee. $33.something with 8% NYS sales tax.

The printout trick sounds nice, but I called my local store this morning and they didn't have it and weren't expecting it any time soon - their inventory guy didn't even know it existed.

I'm hoping FedEx does Saturday delivery for next day shipping.

[jmacdonald801]

What did you get taxed on? The price before discount or after?

I couldn't tell ya, my order number doesn't point me to an actual invoice so I'll probably know exactly when I get it, but um, it's not an amount I'm concerned with, $399 is a great deal with no plan change and not even having to qualify for an upgrade.

Fedex overnight was $14.99, I thought that was an excellent price.

-James

[trjons]

My premier comes up at $435.99

Don't know why the difference.

Since I have the TyTN II already, its kind of moot to me, although I suppose I could sell the TyTN II and switch over. Not sure how that benefits me.

[jmacdonald801]

A little off topic. I waited for the AT&T version to get blackberry connect. I'm a little unsure of how that affects your data plan.

Right now I have either Smartphone unlimited data or Medianet unlimited data, I can't remember but they were both $19.99 so I was confused as to the difference.

What happens to your data plan when you add blackberry plan to your features?

If you have a link great, but searching around Google, I didn't see this point explained.

-James

[bwc302]

Do the rebates still apply on the premier purchased phones? Or is it that they apply when signing a 2 year agreement with the accompanying voice and data plans?

Thanks,

Bobby

[Illrigger]

Looks like they're still tweaking the system. Last night, they only offered enterprise data plans, now they offer the full range of them. This morning before work it was $399, now it's $299 with data plan. I think they've finally got it to about where it should be.

[faustiano]

Woo Hoo!!!!
Ordered mine this morning, and set to arrive on Monday. I wish I had it for the weekend, but I think I can survive :)

Listing my 8525 on Ebay as I type this!!!

[jgermuga]

What is a premiere plan? I normally buy phones way before the normal 2 year upgrade period. Would this premier plan help in that respect?

[herg62123]

From my source at at&t only states around texas and cali got these phones in stock. this means the east coast states will not have them till the earlist is monday oct 8th. the reason is the tilts are still in shipping to the east coast. this sucks.

[jgermuga]

From my source at at&t only states around texas and cali got these phones in stock. this means the east coast states will not have them till the earlist is monday oct 8th. the reason is the tilts are still in shipping to the east coast. this sucks.

My local company store said they don't have an exact date by should get some by 10/18.

Doesn't explain why they don't show up on the website though.

I am also looking at data plans, and it looks like they start at 34.99 per month. so what happened to the $20 data plan I got with my wife's iPhone??

And another dig, even though I paid full price on the iPhone, it reset the upgrade period to another 2 years. That's just cruel.

[Illrigger]

What is a premiere plan? I normally buy phones way before the normal 2 year upgrade period. Would this premier plan help in that respect?

Premier is AT&T's buisness, government and education portal. It applies discounts to purchases made by these groups or for personal purchases made by employees of them. The discount is usually 15% on services, and hardware usually costs about what they do on the retail site after rebates, without having to go through the rebate process.

If you're an employee of any branch of government, or a student, faculty, or staff member of any educational institution, you're in. Your business is in if they have gone through the application process. There are also other programs that give you access, like the Passport Unlimited discount program that many credit unions offer to their members.

To find out if you qualify, go to http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/?WT.svl=3 and put in your email address in the right hand pane.

[shantzg001]

A quick question (for those who are going to get their tilts soon):
If I take the tilt without a contract (the 549$ one or whtever the price is), is it still locked to at&t (I guess it is, but just asking to double check as i wud like to use it with some other carrier but am willing to lose the extra features to bring the price down)

[Illrigger]

A quick question (for those who are going to get their tilts soon):
If I take the tilt without a contract (the 549$ one or whtever the price is), is it still locked to at&t (I guess it is, but just asking to double check as i wud like to use it with some other carrier but am willing to lose the extra features to bring the price down)

Yes, it will still be SIM locked.

[austinsnyc]

Ya so I'm thinking AT-T dropped the ball on this one after sending out a press release saying it would be on all channels 10/5 and NO stores have them in stock even here in NYC the largest Corp store still has not gotten any in.

[weinson]

well .. just got the email confirmation that mine has shipped (with fedex tracking #) ... so they clearly do have them lying around somewhere. I was one of those who ordered online via the premier site (I get access cause I work for a large company). I have not checked out the local store, but I gotta believe that by next week these things should not be too hard to find.

[evolution_theory]

Damn..

So the ATT rep for my company said she will get me the TILT for $299.
But! the tilt is UGLY imho.

Gah.. more money for a better looking phone with a front camera or around $350 with tax inclued for an ugly phone that can do almost everything the same..

[XSIVSPD]

Damn..

So the ATT rep for my company said she will get me the TILT for $299.
But! the tilt is UGLY imho.

Gah.. more money for a better looking phone with a front camera or around $350 with tax inclued for an ugly phone that can do almost everything the same..


i'll buy it from you for $299 ;)

[bwc302]

Thanks all, I got the answer to the question I was asking.


Bobby

[jmacdonald801]

I assume Fedex Overnight means if it ships today, it comes on Saturday? I've had lot stuff show up on Saturday morning without specifically asking for Saturday delivery. Any one know?

[jmacdonald801]

Someone asked me about the breakdown on my purchase on the Premiere site. Well I found it.

Order Subtotal: $417.99
Shipping $14.95
Estimated Tax $28.42
Order Totals $461.36

Shipping was $14.99 for overnight, there was a $17.99 upgrade fee (or something) included on top of the $399.99, that's why it says $417.99. Sales Tax was for Utah I guess.

-James

[McHale]

Just visited my second corp. store (Chicago suburbs) and neither got any in today's shipment of phones. They also said they had received a lot of calls for it.

-Mc

[swamp2]

Just visited my second corp. store (Chicago suburbs) and neither got any in today's shipment of phones. They also said they had received a lot of calls for it.

-Mc

My corporate sales guy servicing my company quoted $299 (presumeably after one or more rebates). My local store had them in stock yesterday but would not sell it to me until today. I paid $549.99 - $150 (agreement extension) - $50 rebate = $349.99 (not counting which parts are taxed and which aren't). I can get the differnce refunded if I provide proof of the $299 price.

San Diego, CA, btw.

[weinson]

My corporate sales guy servicing my company quoted $299 (presumeably after one or more rebates). My local store had them in stock yesterday but would not sell it to me until today. I paid $549.99 - $150 (agreement extension) - $50 rebate = $349.99 (not counting which parts are taxed and which aren't). I can get the differnce refunded if I provide proof of the $299 price.

San Diego, CA, btw.


yeah -- I can't figure out how folks get to the $299 price ... I have not confirmed it anywhere

[jmacdonald801]

The store by me would not match premier pricing, they told me to buy it online.

[weinson]

The store by me would not match premier pricing, they told me to buy it online.

Well, premier only has $399 (with 2year contract). Then there is a $50 rebate to find online which gets you down to the $349 ... still not seeing the $299 that is referenced in this press release (http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4800&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=24486).

[Entropy512]

I assume Fedex Overnight means if it ships today, it comes on Saturday? I've had lot stuff show up on Saturday morning without specifically asking for Saturday delivery. Any one know?

Not sure. Of course, there's the big IF it ships today.

My order has been in "processing" for over 3 hours, and the end of the business day is approaching.

[pho]

well .. just got the email confirmation that mine has shipped (with fedex tracking #) ... so they clearly do have them lying around somewhere. I was one of those who ordered online via the premier site (I get access cause I work for a large company). I have not checked out the local store, but I gotta believe that by next week these things should not be too hard to find.

When did you order?

[weinson]

When did you order?

about 12:30 last night, EST

[joelmassee]

ATT 8925/Kaiser available in Minneapolis at ATT corporate stores. They arrived in store this afternoon.

I was able to secure Premier pricing $399 plus tax. Also, 2 two $50 rebates were offered on the Tilt. No reason why they shouldn't be accepted by ATT

The phone is charging now.

[weinson]

ATT 8925/Kaiser available in Minneapolis at ATT corporate stores. They arrived in store this afternoon.

I was able to secure Premier pricing $399 plus tax. Also, 2 two $50 rebates were offered on the Tilt. No reason why they shouldn't be accepted by ATT

The phone is charging now.

Two $50 rebates? Can you give more details (links, etc?)

[cirial]

Two $50 rebates? Can you give more details (links, etc?)

I'd like them also.. can they be applied if buying it through AT&T Premier?

[evolution_theory]

yeah -- I can't figure out how folks get to the $299 price ... I have not confirmed it anywhere

My ATT Corporate Sales Rep has quoted a $299.99 price with a 2 year contract.

I don't know why the people you speak with cant see the same thing =/

[pmow]

Bought it today $399 - $100 MIR. Family plan, consumer not premier.

[eagercrow]

Well, premier only has $399 (with 2year contract). Then there is a $50 rebate to find online which gets you down to the $349 ... still not seeing the $299 that is referenced in this press release (http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4800&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=24486).

no contract extension for my 399 price, and the corporate store matches the price if you bring in proof, or even better yet use their computer to log into the premier site....I've done that before.

[TimSykes]

I am on the phone with them know, and they show it in there systems to order it. Yay!!!

[weinson]

Bought it today $399 - $100 MIR. Family plan, consumer not premier.

do you have a link to the MIR form?

[iservealot]

I am on the phone with them know, and they show it in there systems to order it. Yay!!!


Where, who, how? I just got off the phone with Customer Care and Customer Relations, and neither of them where able to order it...?

[jmacdonald801]

The bureaucracy is beyond belief. I went to my local AT&T corporate store and they told me they couldn't give premiere pricing, only upgrade pricing, which I don't currently qualify for.

It's all one company yet I can order it online for $399.99 (premier site) but the store wants $549.99. And apparently some people can't order it through a CSR on the phone?

You want to talk about how to make a customers life difficult. If only T-Mobile had 3G.

-James

[TimSykes]

Where, who, how? I just got off the phone with Customer Care and Customer Relations, and neither of them where able to order it...?

1-866-429-7222

[eagercrow]

The bureaucracy is beyond belief. I went to my local AT&T corporate store and they told me they couldn't give premiere pricing, only upgrade pricing, which I don't currently qualify for.

It's all one company yet I can order it online for $399.99 (premier site) but the store wants $549.99. And apparently some people can't order it through a CSR on the phone?

You want to talk about how to make a customers life difficult. If only T-Mobile had 3G.

-James

Did you talk to a manager at the store? I know it took a little work on their end, when they matched my price, maybe the people you dealt with are lazy? The guy at my store said since they were a corporate store they could match any price given by att, whether it be online or another store, as long as it was legit.

[iservealot]

1-866-429-7222


What did you say to them? Where they able to give you a confirmation number or something?

[TimSykes]

What did you say to them? Where they able to give you a confirmation number or something?

I just asked if the phone is is their systems yet to order, a few min later after checking, she said yes.

[weinson]

Ok - it sounds like the way to get to $299 is the $399 price and then 2 separate rebate forms, each for $50. One is the form with many devices listed (http://www.wireless.att.com/global/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/MIR_NAT_Device_110307.pdf), and the other, apparently, is a tilt specific form.

Does anyone have a link to (or pdf of) the tilt specific form?

[pho]

about 12:30 last night, EST

Lucky bastard - i ordered 2:30 am east and i am still processing :)

[iservealot]

Looks like the AT&T tilt will be available for the general masses with Customer Service Oct 8th

[tonydt1g3r]

I just picked up a 8925 today at the at&t store. I just upgraded my phone, it came out to be like 375 total with a $50 mail in rebate, he asked if I wanted the data plan I said no I'll sign up for it at home and put in my own sim.

My question is should I even bother to sign up for the data plan to get the $50 rebate?

btw the store had 3 tilts 2 were on hold. I am in south florida

[rambo6]

I just picked up a 8925 today at the at&t store. I just upgraded my phone, it came out to be like 375 total with a $50 mail in rebate, he asked if I wanted the data plan I said no I'll sign up for it at home and put in my own sim.

My question is should I even bother to sign up for the data plan to get the $50 rebate?

btw the store had 3 tilts 2 were on hold. I am in south florida

Please let me know if you can get the GPS to work with google maps. The UK customers say the TyTN II will. I want to see if AT&T has blocked its somehow. I don't want to use Telenav.

Thanks.

[avega1027]

I just picked up a 8925 today at the at&t store. I just upgraded my phone, it came out to be like 375 total with a $50 mail in rebate, he asked if I wanted the data plan I said no I'll sign up for it at home and put in my own sim.

My question is should I even bother to sign up for the data plan to get the $50 rebate?

btw the store had 3 tilts 2 were on hold. I am in south florida

What store was this?

[XSIVSPD]

What store was this?

just bought mine tonight at a corp store in ft. myers fl

[avega1027]

just bought mine tonight at a corp store in ft. myers fl

Mmmm, a little too far away from me. Im in miami,FL, but thanks for the info!!

[_Alex_]

no contract extension for my 399 price, and the corporate store matches the price if you bring in proof, or even better yet use their computer to log into the premier site....I've done that before.

I was able to get it for $299 w/ 450 voice & unlimited data plan for new activation, +$36 for activation fee, -$25 for Premier new line -$50 for non-specific rebate (http://www.wireless.att.com/global/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/MIR_NAT_Device_110307.pdf ) = $260...

Still hoping someone posts the link or PDF for the Tilt specific rebate, so I can lower the price to $210!

[randomtask16]

I was able to get it for $299 w/ 450 voice & unlimited data plan for new activation, +$36 for activation fee, -$25 for Premier new line -$50 for non-specific rebate (http://www.wireless.att.com/global/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/MIR_NAT_Device_110307.pdf ) = $260...

Still hoping someone posts the link or PDF for the Tilt specific rebate, so I can lower the price to $210!

yes I'd love to have this as well.
My grand total came to 450 after taxes and upgrade fee. No contract req'd extention I *hope*. I have bad feeling something will bounce, or they will renew me or something.

[joelmassee]

Just finished charging my new ATT Tilt/Kaiser tonight.

$400 at a corporate ATT Store in St. Paul, MN. Though with the two $50 rebates in 8-12 weeks, this makes my upgrade from a fully modded 8525 tolerable.

Is the ATT Tilt an 8900 or 8925. 8900 I think. 8900 is no camera; no front camera, right? The device was named HTC 8900 with the Device Information on the phone.

Anyway...should be fun. Though, I will want the full HTC home look and feel of my modded 8525.

[mikeeey]

Please let me know if you can get the GPS to work with google maps. The UK customers say the TyTN II will. I want to see if AT&T has blocked its somehow. I don't want to use Telenav.

Thanks.
yea i can confirm it works with google maps, see this video review from phoenscoop:
http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=154

[pho]

Lucky bastard - i ordered 2:30 am east and i am still processing :)

Update, Ordered, Friday early morn at 2:30 am Shipped late friday 8:05 pm Fed Ex pickup overnight delivery scheduled for monday before 3. I got email confirmation with tracking

[Entropy512]

Just finished charging my new ATT Tilt/Kaiser tonight.

$400 at a corporate ATT Store in St. Paul, MN. Though with the two $50 rebates in 8-12 weeks, this makes my upgrade from a fully modded 8525 tolerable.

Is the ATT Tilt an 8900 or 8925. 8900 I think. 8900 is no camera; no front camera, right? The device was named HTC 8900 with the Device Information on the phone.

Anyway...should be fun. Though, I will want the full HTC home look and feel of my modded 8525.

It can be either.

Tilt with NO cameras (front or back) is 8900
Tilt with back camera (no front) is 8925
Tilt with both cameras does not exist

My Premier order shipped this morning. :)

[weinson]

Now the tilt is on the main ATT site....with links to both $50 rebates! Finally. Now the masses can get to the $299 price.

[swtaltima]

Do at&t stores get shippments on saturdays? My connection at a store in orange county says none arrived yesterday. Just wondering if I should get my hopes up for today.

[bwc302]

Many may already know this but going through the new sign up process on line will net $279 (after rebates) for the tilt.

Thanks,

Bobby

[Doom Tints]

Saw on the news that the Tilt was released today.

And it is on the AT&T website.

Enjoy!

[ophelan]

I was able to get it for $299 w/ 450 voice & unlimited data plan for new activation, +$36 for activation fee, -$25 for Premier new line -$50 for non-specific rebate (http://www.wireless.att.com/global/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/MIR_NAT_Device_110307.pdf ) = $260...

Still hoping someone posts the link or PDF for the Tilt specific rebate, so I can lower the price to $210!
General $50 rebate (http://www.wireless.att.com/global/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/MIR_NAT_Device_110307.pdf)
Tilt $50 rebate (http://www.wireless.att.com/global/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/MIR_NAT_Tilt_110307.pdf)

[ziddey]

I'm on my premier account and see it for $399 upgrade with no contract extension. However, there still is an $18 upgrade fee. Does this sound correct?

[lithboy]

Are you with Tmobile - if so why are you paying 40 bucks for data. The unlimited PDA plan + hotspots is 19.99 nowdays if added on to phone service. Call Tmobile and have them fix your account.

i'm comparing apples to apples, which includes a $10 1000 text message add-on on tmobile. it's 1500 messages on at&t. still it comes down to me losing tethering when i switch, which would totally suck.

[herg62123]

the store i am at has 2 and now i bought one they have one......yeah me.

igot it for 299.99 after my rebates.

[buffalosolja42]

I have for a little while now that it is out you will notice that the gps (quick icon) makes using the telenav work alot faster while it holds 7 days at a time almost making an instant connect. As you may see as well it has the wm6 with the task manager running as well. The camera is nice even though the flash is missing but, the clarity is nice. And word of caution enjoy the price we all know how we doing promotional pricing. If you are in a 3g area you also will notice the speed enhancement and another key feature is that it can hold up to a 32 gig card. I am sorry my previous post was so vague but its confidentiality that I have to respect. I think it runs a tad faster when switching multiple programs than my 8525 with the same rom. All in all I am satisfied with the built in gps, why I am so gps needy is because the company always has us traveling and telenav makes our lives so easy. You will also notice that you can actually get a friends location with the telenav on the tilt. And the battery life has seemed better than my 8525. I haven't put my pocket cm back on yet but photo contacts pro and htc home (not the version on it) makes life alot simpler. Also whe I put the htc home that is on the touch the music quick lanch on the tilts home becomes inactive. :)

[buffalosolja42]

The stores which have the highest pda sales generally get pdas first and no shipments come on Saturday because it is a peak day for the company.

[mikeeey]

the store i am at has 2 and now i bought one they have one......yeah me.

igot it for 299.99 after my rebates.
and which state do you live in? im waiting here in washington. hopefully monday il get it.

[KarmaNP]

I'm on my premier account and see it for $399 upgrade with no contract extension. However, there still is an $18 upgrade fee. Does this sound correct?

I bought one thru Premier on Friday and it is scheduled for Monday delivery. I was charged 399+20.75Tax+14.95Shippin totaling $435.69. I was not charged the 18 upgrade fee, probably as it was not a plan upgrade. Contract doesn't change as well.

Since this account doesn't have any PDA plan, just the voice plan for 39.99, I was wondering if any mail in rebate can be used?

[Penske MB]

Hi,

I just order the phone with exist customer upgrade phone. It was:
$549
- $150 instant on-line discount
- $100 AT&T advantage discount
= $299.99

-$50 mail in rebate X 2 = -$100

Total = $199.99

Free Priority Shipping

[wpbear]

Hi,

I just order the phone with exist customer upgrade phone. It was:
$549
- $150 instant on-line discount
- $100 AT&T advantage discount
= $299.99

-$50 mail in rebate X 2 = -$100

Total = $199.99

Free Priority Shipping

Cheapest ATT Premier will give me is $374 ($399-$25 instant rebate if I put a data pack on) I could do the two $50 if I kept a $39 data plan for the 8 week rebate period and get it to $274 but I just want the phone and use it on my company ATT SIM so for me $374 is the lowest. I am holding off till I can get it for $299 max upfront. I envy your discount. I am thinking of going to a retail CORP or auth dealer and doing a real 2 year ext since I have one line eligible. Maybe if I add a ton of features and access I can get the phone for $250 since the sales guy will expect a nice commision; then two days later return the access and go online and remove the features (which cause a chargeback in commision to the sales guy) :D

After my London trip (fish and chips yeah!) I will shop in the DC/VA area. Surpirsingly I walked into a mobile store in London and only one guy new the phone and they didnt carry it. WTF I thought Europe was the HTC Haven, the store was full of Nokia and Samsung though.

[Penske MB]

Basically I jsut want the phone. I have 2 lines with my exist family plan and 2 yrs contract for me is nothing....since I have use one for my 8525 almost year ago, and I can still using upgrade on 2nd line.

I did not have data plan on my service contract. For $299 - $50 =$250 for a new Kaiser isn't a bad deal even without the additional $50 data line coupon:)

Cheapest ATT Premier will give me is $374 ($399-$25 instant rebate if I put a data pack on) I could do the two $50 if I kept a $39 data plan for the 8 week rebate period and get it to $274 but I just want the phone and use it on my company ATT SIM so for me $374 is the lowest. I am holding off till I can get it for $299 max upfront. I envy your discount. I am thinking of going to a retail CORP or auth dealer and doing a real 2 year ext since I have one line eligible. Maybe if I add a ton of features and access I can get the phone for $250 since the sales guy will expect a nice commision; then two days later return the access and go online and remove the features (which cause a chargeback in commision to the sales guy) :D

After my London trip (fish and chips yeah!) I will shop in the DC/VA area. Surpirsingly I walked into a mobile store in London and only one guy new the phone and they didnt carry it. WTF I thought Europe was the HTC Haven, the store was full of Nokia and Samsung though.

[randomtask16]

Basically I jsut want the phone. I have 2 lines with my exist family plan and 2 yrs contract for me is nothing....since I have use one for my 8525 almost year ago, and I can still using upgrade on 2nd line.

I did not have data plan on my service contract. For $299 - $50 =$250 for a new Kaiser isn't a bad deal even without the additional $50 data line coupon:)

I also have 2 line plan with no upgrade avail. I just bought it outright on Premier for $450ish
$399
+$18 upgrade
+$33 tax
Free shipping
Since my line shows up as the "secondary" it only costs $15/month and isn't able to be renewed/upgraded till 12/08 :(

[wpbear]

I also have 2 line plan with no upgrade avail. I just bought it outright on Premier for $450ish
$399
+$18 upgrade
+$33 tax
Free shipping
Since my line shows up as the "secondary" it only costs $15/month and isn't able to be renewed/upgraded till 12/08 :(

At least I am waived the $18 fee with my deal. But since I am eligible for an upgrade on one of my three family lines I may be able to do better in a real store. I will let you guys know if I get a better price. Also why is your secondary line $15, it should be $10 with ATT/Cingular.

[cliffgardner]

I called AT&T earlier and spoke with retention (866-907-3480). My "Tilt" or 8925/Kaiser arrives Tuesday. It cost me $199.99 and overnight s&h was included for free.

Cant wait to try it out...

[jessesam]

Kaiser for 199.99 sounds pretty cheap

[jessesam]

I called AT&T earlier and spoke with retention (866-907-3480). My "Tilt" or 8925/Kaiser arrives Tuesday. It cost me $199.99 and overnight s&h was included for free.

Cant wait to try it out...

By how many years did they extend ur contract ?

[randomtask16]

At least I am waived the $18 fee with my deal. But since I am eligible for an upgrade on one of my three family lines I may be able to do better in a real store. I will let you guys know if I get a better price. Also why is your secondary line $15, it should be $10 with ATT/Cingular.

Its 59.99 family talk plan
$45 main line
$15 secondary
Thats how it shows up on the bill at least.

[iservealot]

I called AT&T earlier and spoke with retention (866-907-3480). My "Tilt" or 8925/Kaiser arrives Tuesday. It cost me $199.99 and overnight s&h was included for free.

Cant wait to try it out...

Seems kinda bogus as the ATT reps don't have the phone listed in their Direct Fulfillment.

[wpbear]

Its 59.99 family talk plan
$45 main line
$15 secondary
Thats how it shows up on the bill at least.

I have the $59 FT as well. $49 for the first line and $10 for the each other line sharing 550 min and unlim NW and M2M.

[earistomene]

I just received the phone today and it's definitely a keeper!!

[jessesam]

For those who got it for 199.99 while upgrading did they extend your contract or no ?

[iservealot]

finally got my phone free of charge, with overnight shipping.

[BoostedSR20]

I just received the phone today and it's definitely a keeper!!


Same goes for me. Got it this afternoon, already flashed the HTC rom.

[Penske MB]

Have you install Tom Tom 6.032? I wonder how TT works

Same goes for me. Got it this afternoon, already flashed the HTC rom.

[mikeeey]

im FINALLY getting mine on friday. i bet im the last person to finally get one. atleast il be getting it tho.

[KarmaNP]

Have you install Tom Tom 6.032? I wonder how TT works

TomTom 6.032 works smoothly with on both ATT and HTC ROM.

[jackieboy]

When ATT does have a true 3G Network will Video Telephony be introduced into phones? or capable? I own a MDA Vario III version, the camera is obviously useless in the US but just wondering if it will ever be usefull, I would sell it, and use my Tilt, insttead of selling the Tilt.

By the way as much as I hate chrome I prefer the buttons over the T-mobile version which is exactly the same as the original TYTN version of the buttons (the keyboard is fine, but, I wish it was white like many users hate for tactile reasons, its easier to see at night before the light comes on) But anyway anyone wanto trade buttons, I'll take the chrome ones any day over the flush ones, they are far superior and easier to touch, harder in material, and solid. The T-Mobile buttons suck!


I work for AT&T Mobility. Just to be clear, I'm not puking out the Corporate Propaganda here. I am first and foremost a consumer as well. I'm always looking for best product for my money too.

* The 8925 is being launched in 2 versions. One with cameras and one without for security restricted users. Many companies do not allow camera phones for fear of corporate espionage but there are plenty of power users that work for those companies.
* Video calling is going to be available. It takes time to build out a true 3G network and provide all the functionality. I'm not challenging anyone's intelligence here but most consumers are not aware that some parts of the US are operating on Cellular Networks that span as far back as the 1940s. This is when AT&T originally launched Cellular service for large fleet services and government/LE use. Over the years these systems have obviously been upgraded but you have to consider US carriers have more than 50 times the market to cover than the average European or Asian carriers so it will naturally take considerably longer to upgrade.
*New features built in: GPS, Blackberry 4.0, WM6 Professional standard(won't last long for anyone on this forum though), 256/128 ROM/RAM Qualcomm 400MHz chip.
*By the end of 2008 AT&T should have full True 3G UMTS/HSPDA capability in every market we are licensed in. Network upgrades are built out on a basis of population density. The largest markets with the most users get upgrades first. It's killing me too waiting for it. I used to work in Central Fl. I would have had 3G 1 1/2yrs ago. Now I'm in TN and we should have it by the end of the year. Fingers crossed.
*As of right now full retail price at release is supposed to be $549.99. 2yr contract should be $299.99. Prices obviously can change at any time. I would guess they will not be delivered to the stores until the 8525 stocks are depleted.

Dan.308
8525
VP3G WM6 Rom

[fl3nd3r]

I know that probably I'm going to make a stupid questiom, but I'll try:
I have the ATT Tilt working here in Italy, and I was wondering if is there a way to place video call. Perhaps using an external camera...I'masking for the moon?!