ATT Kaiser pricing and release update

[aaronsmckee]

This was posted in the $299 thread but its at the way back so I thought I would create a thread so people would have an easier time finding it. Apparently the guys at howard forums don't know jack.

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2007/09/14/att-tilt-drops-some-knowledge-on-us/

$ 349 with 2 year sign up and data (though I imagine corp will be much cheaper)

release date is listed as late september in the docs.

[magnamar]

Am I blind or do they not even list its GPS on there features there?

[swtaltima]

Am I blind or do they not even list its GPS on there features there?


Thats what I said, however they do mention it in the top paragraph. To be honest Ill still get it even if it doesn't have built in. All I do is put an at&t logo on my punching bag at home to take out my aggression LOL.

[magnamar]

oh well I ordered the HTC one lol. Not a bad price on this one tho even without a contract its nice at 549.

[swtaltima]

oh well I ordered the HTC one lol. Not a bad price on this one tho even without a contract its nice at 549.

$549? I thought they were like $800?

[magnamar]

I was saying the att one is not a bad price at 549. The htc unlocked one I got was 789.

[projectpaki]

man atnt is wack!! no front-facing camera??

[zeek112]

man atnt is wack!! no front-facing camera??

They dont have any video calling so whats the point of having an extra low-quality camera?

[evolution_theory]

Wow, $800 HTC Kaiser it is! Screw that ugly nerfed ATT one.

[pho]

They dont have any video calling so whats the point of having an extra low-quality camera?

they just launched video calling.

[McHale]

I posted this over at Howard Forums...

There's an online vendor who sells the Kaiser who is offering them to me at $700 for a group buy. If anyone is in IL and is interested, lemme know. The only reason I want to limit it to people in IL is I can drive and meet them someplace so there's no payment/shipping issues. I'm not a reseller and I don't want to be a reseller. I'm just trying to get this as cheap as possible.

-Mc

[wpbear]

I posted this over at Howard Forums...

There's an online vendor who sells the Kaiser who is offering them to me at $700 for a group buy. If anyone is in IL and is interested, lemme know. The only reason I want to limit it to people in IL is I can drive and meet them someplace so there's no payment/shipping issues. I'm not a reseller and I don't want to be a reseller. I'm just trying to get this as cheap as possible.

-Mc

I dont think $700 is that cheap though. $600 maybe, I am curious to see what "group" means and will you be able to meet the minimum order in just IL.

[McHale]

I have to buy 5 to get that price. I have Me and 2 buddies from work. So technically I only need 2 more. Figured I'd offer it to the forum.

They are selling them out within days of getting them in stock at 850 so they aren't making much on these at 700. I have just bought a LOT of phones from them and directed a lot of sales their way.

Once AT&T's starts selling, I would think that prices will drop a little but I don't think we'll ever see an online vendor dip below the $700 mark. MMB is $749 which is still the lowest I've seen and he's the most reliable seller I've ever dealt with.

-Mc

Correction: I just checked his website and he raised the price to $779. :(

[wpbear]

I have to buy 5 to get that price. I have Me and 2 buddies from work. So technically I only need 2 more. Figured I'd offer it to the forum.

They are selling them out within days of getting them in stock at 850 so they aren't making much on these at 700. I have just bought a LOT of phones from them and directed a lot of sales their way.

Once AT&T's starts selling, I would think that prices will drop a little but I don't think we'll ever see an online vendor dip below the $700 mark. MMB is $749 which is still the lowest I've seen and he's the most reliable seller I've ever dealt with.

-Mc

Correction: I just checked his website and he raised the price to $779. :(
5 is a good deal, but at $700 that is too much and all you get is the front camera. ATT for $400 and no front camera is MUCH easier to swallow.

[McHale]

5 is a good deal, but at $700 that is too much and all you get is the front camera. ATT for $400 and no front camera is MUCH easier to swallow.

I agree. I just don't want to wait forever for them to release it. I've been holding off because I wanted to see what AT&T did to it. I hate crippled devices. I'm also reluctant to put the 8925 on my account as it could get me kicked off my data plan. A generic device isn't as automated for the system to verify against your plan.

-Mc

[droric]

Called ATT store by me and asked when they would have the tilt in stock, the guy put me on hold for 2 minutes and told me oct 1st. Surprised to hear he even knew about it and even more surprised to have a date they would have it in store.

[NFRCER]

Yup me too. i just went to the att store and asked them this afternoon and she said the same thing in october. color will remain the same and as already reported no front camera and so on.........

[iservealot]

Some people are claiming that ATT in Manhattan and most of the New York city was selling the 8925 today.

[pierrohhh]

why would u want to watch who u are talking to. if anything u cant lie to the wife when she wants to see where u are if she doesnt believe u .....

[mzahiri]

I agree. I just don't want to wait forever for them to release it. I've been holding off because I wanted to see what AT&T did to it. I hate crippled devices. I'm also reluctant to put the 8925 on my account as it could get me kicked off my data plan. A generic device isn't as automated for the system to verify against your plan.

-Mc

What do you mean by getting kicked off your data plan? i have been using the media max bundle for over a year with my treo and my 8525 with no problems. i have never paid the outrageous 60 for a pda data plan.

could you please clarify?


thanks

[XSIVSPD]

looks like its gonna be soon, its on amazon.com now...

http://www.amazon.com/AT-T-8925-PDA-Smartphone/dp/B000UWDU5K/ref=sr_1_3/103-3733388-0019867?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1190007196&sr=1-3

[ahfunaki]

I agree. I just don't want to wait forever for them to release it. I've been holding off because I wanted to see what AT&T did to it. I hate crippled devices. I'm also reluctant to put the 8925 on my account as it could get me kicked off my data plan. A generic device isn't as automated for the system to verify against your plan.

-Mc

I've been using an old old old medianet plan ( 1500 texts, 200 picture messages and unlimited data for $20/month ) with my 8125 and now 8525 for a year or two now and have never had any problems...

[McHale]

I haven't had any problems either... yet. But they are upgrading the Telgence system to be more intelligent when it comes to appropriate data plans for particular phones. Since I don't have an AT&T branded phone, the system recognizes my phone as a generic HTC product that they think is an MDA (it's a K-Jam). I also use my Dash and it recognizes that as an HTC s620.

The new system (which hasn't fully gone into effect yet) prohibits a CSR from adding a Mediamax plan for a PDA phone. They just aren't compatible in the system. Before, they could add any data plan to any phone. That is changing.

They are looking at finding a way to audit your device and compare against your data plan automatically. If you check out your online account manager you will see how they try to deduce your phone from the system. That was phase 1 testing. It doesn't guess any of my devices properly because NONE of them came from AT&T. I'm afraid that if I add an AT&T device (8925), it will know for sure what phone it is and throw up a flag. At least if it doesn't know for sure, it's a manual process.

Don't get me wrong, it may never happen. But they are looking at it.

-Mc

[RacerX10]

Since our plan (family plan but shows as a 'business account') doesn't allow any web management, here's what I'm going to try :

step 1) on or about the 20th of September, switch MY current phone number from Sprint to ATT and use an extra nokia GSM phone I have here (it's got a 3G SIM in it), and at the same time also switch my wife's phone (razr, already on ATT) to the same group plan. i'll have them put that $20 Media Net unlimited plan on that nokia phone.

step 2) when the 8925 becomes available, I'll go in and buy it, telling them it's going on my wife's number, do the 2 year contract extension to get the discount on the phone, but I *won't* add any data option on it

step 3) take SIM from pos Nokia phone w/ media net plan and insert into brand new 8925, yielding 8925 with $20 unlimited media net plan


any thoughts on my scheme here ? would i be better off doing all this over the phone to ATT or at the local store ?

thanks

[SeniorNoob]

Almost Ready, check this out! http://www.modaco.com/ATandT-89xx-Tilt-screensh-t258197.html

[sherpa]

Almost Ready, check this out! http://www.modaco.com/ATandT-89xx-Tilt-screensh-t258197.html

That's a very old news!

[trjons]

HoFo shows it on the AT&T rebate sheet effective this past weekend, FWIW.

[XSIVSPD]

its also on amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/AT-T-8925-PDA-Smartphone/dp/B000UWDU5K/ref=sr_1_3/103-3733388-0019867?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1190007196&sr=1-3

[MrSnrub]

BGR shows September 25th. http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2007/09/17/want-to-get-your-htc-tilt-on-rejoice-with-att-on-september-25th/

[aaronsmckee]

Link is to an excerpt from the Boy Genius Report the list (go to BGR main page) is an actual ATT release schedule for the Holidays (now I'm kinda torn looking at the Panetech duo as well). Thought I would put it up

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2007/09/17/want-to-get-your-htc-tilt-on-rejoice-with-att-on-september-25th/

$349 with rebates and a 2 year plan

Hopefully we will see the price of the Kaiser (non ATT branded) drop to match this release.

[sherpa]

Link is to an excerpt from the Boy Genius Report the list (go to BGR main page) is an actual ATT release schedule for the Holidays (now I'm kinda torn looking at the Panetech duo as well). Thought I would put it up

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2007/09/17/want-to-get-your-htc-tilt-on-rejoice-with-att-on-september-25th/

$349 with rebates and a 2 year plan

Hopefully we will see the price of the Kaiser (non ATT branded) drop to match this release.

Just because it's posted on that website does not make it an official release date. Also, this news has already been posted multiple times here. ;)

[aaronsmckee]

whoops, sorry I did a search but came up empty. I agree that it isn't offical tell I see it in a store but the doc is an actual ATT release schedule I confirmed it (I live in San Antonio where ATT is head quartered and spoke to a buddy of mine, don't normally count on what a my friends say as far as rumors but he did confirm that it was an offical release schedule).

[MAXPOW3R]

I have to buy 5 to get that price. I have Me and 2 buddies from work. So technically I only need 2 more. Figured I'd offer it to the forum.

They are selling them out within days of getting them in stock at 850 so they aren't making much on these at 700. I have just bought a LOT of phones from them and directed a lot of sales their way.

Once AT&T's starts selling, I would think that prices will drop a little but I don't think we'll ever see an online vendor dip below the $700 mark. MMB is $749 which is still the lowest I've seen and he's the most reliable seller I've ever dealt with.

-Mc

Correction: I just checked his website and he raised the price to $779. :(



hey, MC I live in Illinois and would be willing to join you and your co-workers for bulk buying the 8925 if it turns out the AT&T Tilt version is too watered down. I'm in Chicago.

[aaronsmckee]

Since our plan (family plan but shows as a 'business account') doesn't allow any web management, here's what I'm going to try :

step 1) on or about the 20th of September, switch MY current phone number from Sprint to ATT and use an extra nokia GSM phone I have here (it's got a 3G SIM in it), and at the same time also switch my wife's phone (razr, already on ATT) to the same group plan. i'll have them put that $20 Media Net unlimited plan on that nokia phone.

step 2) when the 8925 becomes available, I'll go in and buy it, telling them it's going on my wife's number, do the 2 year contract extension to get the discount on the phone, but I *won't* add any data option on it

step 3) take SIM from pos Nokia phone w/ media net plan and insert into brand new 8925, yielding 8925 with $20 unlimited media net plan


any thoughts on my scheme here ? would i be better off doing all this over the phone to ATT or at the local store ?

thanks

Very good plan (I've done something similar) I would reccomend over the phone, also make sure you do not use the cingular connection manager software package (just use internet sharing). That said with the changes to the ATT system the loop holes may go away (I just want T mobile to roll out their 3g so ATT has to drop their prices).

[shogunmark]

but it must be true, i saw it online! :D

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[XSIVSPD]

this is an interesting tid-bit

http://www.negrielectronics.com/product_info.php?products_id=501

i wonder if thats just a mock-up of a kaiser 110 or if its the actual 8925/tilt

[sherpa]

this is an interesting tid-bit

http://www.negrielectronics.com/product_info.php?products_id=501

i wonder if thats just a mock-up of a kaiser 110 or if its the actual 8925/tilt

Has been posted before! ;)

[McHale]

Talk about rediculous pricing...

Kaiser - 826
8925 - 819

Yet the AT&T version without contract will be like 599...


I'm so confused on what they are thinking.

-Mc

[RacerX10]

also make sure you do not use the cingular connection manager software package (just use internet sharing).

could you explain that part ? i'm new to ATT data stuff, been on sprint for 6 years.

[McHale]

any thoughts on my scheme here ? would i be better off doing all this over the phone to ATT or at the local store ?

thanks

I'll do you one better. If you call to upgrade your phone and they ship it to you, you're supposed to call them up and give them the IMEI so they can add it to your account. If you NEVER call, they never add it to your account and sometimes never change your contract. This is the route I think I'm going to take.

But I am doing what you essentially are. I have a drawer full of GSM phones that when it's time for me to deal with customer service (like a get a new SIM or something), I pop the SIM into one and take that to the store. They always try to upsell me a new phone which I kindly decline. It's also funny that they say my 6820 (which is the phone on my account officially) is too old and needs upgrading. It's got both US frequencies and EDGE so I would gain nothing by upgrading. I don't live in a 3G area...

-Mc

[RacerX10]

I'll do you one better. If you call to upgrade your phone and they ship it to you, you're supposed to call them up and give them the IMEI so they can add it to your account. If you NEVER call, they never add it to your account and sometimes never change your contract. This is the route I think I'm going to take.

But I am doing what you essentially are. I have a drawer full of GSM phones that when it's time for me to deal with customer service (like a get a new SIM or something), I pop the SIM into one and take that to the store. They always try to upsell me a new phone which I kindly decline. It's also funny that they say my 6820 (which is the phone on my account officially) is too old and needs upgrading. It's got both US frequencies and EDGE so I would gain nothing by upgrading. I don't live in a 3G area...

-Mc

same here, i'm in an EDGE only area. i was prepared for an "upsizing" sales pitch when i got there :)

i've just realized that i was looking at the wrong SIM card, the one i have isn't 3G, but i presume when I go in with the old POS nokia phone they'll sell me one for it

[aaronsmckee]

could you explain that part ? i'm new to ATT data stuff, been on sprint for 6 years.

ATT has a connection manager software package that they try to get you to use for tethering your phone as a modem, it also has a hotspot locator. Don't use it (just use the built in internet sharing, or if it is taken off the tilt get a cab file for the kaiser comm manager). It will automatically detect your phone (and as an app it sucks). Tethering is really the only way they differentiate the higher level plans (30 vs 40-60) so if you are not going to use your phone as a tethered modem you should have no issues running on a lower cost plan.

[RacerX10]

ATT has a connection manager software package that they try to get you to use for tethering your phone as a modem, it also has a hotspot locator. Don't use it (just use the built in internet sharing, or if it is taken off the tilt get a cab file for the kaiser comm manager). It will automatically detect your phone (and as an app it sucks). Tethering is really the only way they differentiate the higher level plans (30 vs 40-60) so if you are not going to use your phone as a tethered modem you should have no issues running on a lower cost plan.

On my 6600 on sprint, there is an app called "wmodem.exe" that i use when i'm tethering, which i do very rarely (maybe 10 mins per month)

Is one of the things you are talking about the same as wmodem ?

[weinson]

Well, according to boygenius reports (http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2007/09/17/want-to-get-your-htc-tilt-on-rejoice-with-att-on-september-25th/), we have a confirmed release date of September 25 [of course I doubt that date is correct]

[trjons]

So what is AT&T's price without contract gonna be and what is the price gonna be on eBay after the release??

Guesses?

[McHale]

same here, i'm in an EDGE only area. i was prepared for an "upsizing" sales pitch when i got there :)

i've just realized that i was looking at the wrong SIM card, the one i have isn't 3G, but i presume when I go in with the old POS nokia phone they'll sell me one for it

silly boy... Take your Nokia in with your SIM card and explain to them how your phone keeps giving you invalid SIM errors and sometimes won't register. They'll give you one for free. :)

[XSIVSPD]

soo... could this be what the AT&T version will look/act like? its been out for a while, but i havent found it on here yet so no flames for a repost ;) and it has the PTT and hideous (sp?) keyboard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP637Mq4qHA

[vwremglx]

Well, according to boygenius reports (http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2007/09/17/want-to-get-your-htc-tilt-on-rejoice-with-att-on-september-25th/), we have a confirmed release date of September 25 [of course I doubt that date is correct]

I was also told this date from a friend at AT&T. He said this is the date you can order one, not the date they will have them. That date is still up in the air.

I got lucky, less than 90 days since my 8525 purchase so I traded it in for credit. When the Tilt comes in 100% even trade. Score!!

[RacerX10]

silly boy... Take your Nokia in with your SIM card and explain to them how your phone keeps giving you invalid SIM errors and sometimes won't register. They'll give you one for free. :)

thanks for the tip, i'll try that. prolly make SURE it's invalid before i go with 12v or so running thru a couple terminals on the card :)

i didn't know they would replace dead SIM cards for free

[y2flyy]

Hey vwremglx you can trade in the 8525 within 90 days for a credit?
Please let me know how you did this....I am a week outside of my 30 day period for my 8525 and I was under the impression that I was out of luck. Whats up?

[vwremglx]

Hey vwremglx you can trade in the 8525 within 90 days for a credit?
Please let me know how you did this....I am a week outside of my 30 day period for my 8525 and I was under the impression that I was out of luck. Whats up?

The store I got my 8525 from was an AT&T authorized reseller, not directly AT&T. Perhaps their return policy is different. I knew the Tilt was coming at some point so I kept everything in excellent shape and ready to return. They had no problem doing it. Best of Luck!

[mikeeey]

i just want a picture of the AT&T tilt. that way we can see if the back rubber thing says GPS on it. if it does, everythin is fine for me. i cant see why they would take teh gps out. the most they would probably do is charge their own service, kinda like t-mobile does with wifi. however you can probably also use 3rd party apps like tomtom and not have to pay for AT&T's service. this is only an assumption though.

[McHale]

hey, MC I live in Illinois and would be willing to join you and your co-workers for bulk buying the 8925 if it turns out the AT&T Tilt version is too watered down. I'm in Chicago.

Sounds good. We're going to wait for the Tilt to hit and see if it's worth an additional 150 for a front camera. I'm still leaning towards the Kaiser myself...

-Mc

[McHale]

thanks for the tip, i'll try that. prolly make SURE it's invalid before i go with 12v or so running thru a couple terminals on the card :)

i didn't know they would replace dead SIM cards for free

Corporate stores always do - no question. I also wouldn't fry it. Just walk in and say you called AT&T and they told you to go into the store to get your SIM replaced. Explain you have the issues listed above and they'll hand it over for free.

While you're there, don't forget to ask for your PUK codes. :)

-Mc

[RacerX10]

Corporate stores always do - no question. I also wouldn't fry it. Just walk in and say you called AT&T and they told you to go into the store to get your SIM replaced. Explain you have the issues listed above and they'll hand it over for free.

While you're there, don't forget to ask for your PUK codes. :)

-Mc

how much does a SIM card cost at the ATT office ? My whole plan hinges on getting a new SIM card and I'd rather spend a little now to save a lot later and not take a chance on them not wanting to replace the non-3G SIM

[crucialdudee]

they charge you 19.99 but i have a new one i would sell for 10 bux ......

[zetajunkie]

Didn't cingular "strongly encourage" users to upgrade simcards for free last year? They even sent me one in the mail that i never used. iI eventually went down to one of the corporate stores and told them i needed an upgraded sim...

[leoiden]

I really hope that when the tilt is out it takes a economic wipe out of te htc tytn II
enought so that they would have to lower the price because of loosing sales to the counterpart!!!!!!!!!

[trjons]

I'm having a difficult time deciding on my "second phone."

My primary phone is the Treo 750. It works best for me during the work day as far as entering appointments, text messaging, sending and receiving email and use as a phone. Its not great for web browsing for sure due to the small crappy screen.

My second phone is kind of my weekend/evening fun phone. I'll use it via Wifi if I'm in a spotty coverage area, do a lot more surfing, less text entry etc.

I had an 8525, sold it and bought an iPhone, but I really dislike the iPhone interface. I'm tempted to go back to the 8525, but also eyeballing the Tytn II/Tilt. Then I saw the Advantage and thought maybe THAT was the way to go.

Any of you Kaiser watchers have opinions on the Kaiser/Tilt vs. the Advantage?

[njxbean]

hey guys.

Quick question. Where can i get one of these now? ALso, can i just take out my cingular sim card and put it in? My current 8525s screen just broke :-( and i need to buy a new one. Thanks.

[dwella]

hey guys.

Quick question. Where can i get one of these now? ALso, can i just take out my cingular sim card and put it in? My current 8525s screen just broke :-( and i need to buy a new one. Thanks.


If you look through this and the other threads or do a search there are several locations recommended to buy now. And yes you can use your 8525 sim card

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[njxbean]

If you look through this and the other threads or do a search there are several locations recommended to buy now. And yes you can use your 8525 sim card

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the link to amazon doesnt work anymore. I will do a search. but any assistance/recommendations would be helpful. I would hate to have to buy the 8525 again at full price when i could get the new one.

[psyferre]

the link to amazon doesnt work anymore. I will do a search. but any assistance/recommendations would be helpful. I would hate to have to buy the 8525 again at full price when i could get the new one.

I bought an 8525 just before learning of the kaiser about 37 days ago. Last week I walked into the AT&T store and they let me return the 8525 I had bought since i was within the return policy so that I can get the Kaiser when it comes out. The awesome part is instead of just reverting my contract back to what it was, they completely cancelled it! When the Tilt is released I can just walk in and upgrade :)

If you can stand to let them hold your money for 30 days I'd just get a new 8525 (or a loaner while yours is being fixed) and exchange it for a Tilt when the time comes.

[njxbean]

I bought an 8525 just before learning of the kaiser about 37 days ago. Last week I walked into the AT&T store and they let me return the 8525 I had bought since i was within the return policy so that I can get the Kaiser when it comes out. The awesome part is instead of just reverting my contract back to what it was, they completely cancelled it! When the Tilt is released I can just walk in and upgrade :)

If you can stand to let them hold your money for 30 days I'd just get a new 8525 (or a loaner while yours is being fixed) and exchange it for a Tilt when the time comes.

Now thats not a bad idea! maybe i will try the iphone for a month! Will it definitely be out within 30 days though?

[wpbear]

Now thats not a bad idea! maybe i will try the iphone for a month! Will it definitely be out within 30 days though?
iphone trial is only 14 days and nothing is definate with a release date.

[swtaltima]

iphone trial is only 14 days and nothing is definate with a release date.

plus if the box is so much as opened there are restock and other fees. This is an apple thing, and I can tell you I have had a few people I know get an iphone, cool for a few day then they start bitching. Maybe yours will be different though:D

[djmaven]

I've been using an old old old medianet plan ( 1500 texts, 200 picture messages and unlimited data for $20/month ) with my 8125 and now 8525 for a year or two now and have never had any problems...
The 8925 will be my first 3G. So I assume I will need a new 3G SIM card + data plan. Where do you find anything unlimited today for $20??? best I could find was unlimited Data Connect for $59.99 - anyone has any better idea?? tks.

[Illrigger]

The 8925 will be my first 3G. So I assume I will need a new 3G SIM card + data plan. Where do you find anything unlimited today for $20??? best I could find was unlimited Data Connect for $59.99 - anyone has any better idea?? tks.

I think the chepest unlimited plan you can get now is the Premier PDA Personal Max UNL Add-On , which is unlimited data and 1500 SMS for $33.99 - but you have to be a qualifying user to get in. I'm a state employee, so I'm in, but I also have something called "Passport Unlimited" on my debit card that gives me the same rates. Best you can do is try to get in with all you email addresses and hope one clicks. ;)

[XSIVSPD]

I think the chepest unlimited plan you can get now is the Premier PDA Personal Max UNL Add-On , which is unlimited data and 1500 SMS for $33.99 - but you have to be a qualifying user to get in. I'm a state employee, so I'm in, but I also have something called "Passport Unlimited" on my debit card that gives me the same rates. Best you can do is try to get in with all you email addresses and hope one clicks. ;)

any links that may help the att-website challenged among us? ;)

[dwella]

the link to amazon doesnt work anymore. I will do a search. but any assistance/recommendations would be helpful. I would hate to have to buy the 8525 again at full price when i could get the new one.

I guess I'm confused....are you looking for a 8525 or 8925? I was refering to the tytn II which is available for a price at several places in this thread. 8525 you can get from ebay pretty cheap.

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[swamp2]

OK I know many folks here know way more that your average AT&T store "worker bee", but I did get some information out of a store manager here in San Diego. They claimed that they would have stock, for sale, of the 8925 sometime during the first two weeks of October. They were not aware of the other rumor I have seen circulating about a 9/25 launch date.

My poor pda2k is really falling apart this darn thing just can not come soon enough. Ugh.

[dwella]

I guess I'm confused....are you looking for a 8525 or 8925? I was refering to the tytn II which is available for a price at several places in this thread. 8525 you can get from ebay pretty cheap.

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If its a tytn II you want than a guy at Hofo put this together.

htcphonestore.com
http://www.htcphonestore.com/produc...emMDL=HTC_P4550


mobileplanet.com
http://www.mobileplanet.com/p.aspx?i=151727


superiorgadgets.com
http://www.superiorgadgets.com/us/p...8de471b2a0b7da8


phonesource-usa.com
http://www.phonesource-usa.com/cell...-Card-Combo.php

[njxbean]

I guess I'm confused....are you looking for a 8525 or 8925? I was refering to the tytn II which is available for a price at several places in this thread. 8525 you can get from ebay pretty cheap.

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SOrry about being off topic. Yes i was referring to tytn II. However, i was under the impression i could use the iphone sim card in my 8525 once i could get it fixed. However, i just found that this is not the case. SO im returning it(not paying the restocking fee) and i just bought a tytn II. Will be here tomorrow. :-) I really just wanted to try the iphone out... it wasnt all that. Thanks guys!

[NFRCER]

OK I know many folks here know way more that your average AT&T store "worker bee", but I did get some information out of a store manager here in San Diego. They claimed that they would have stock, for sale, of the 8925 sometime during the first two weeks of October. They were not aware of the other rumor I have seen circulating about a 9/25 launch date.

My poor pda2k is really falling apart this darn thing just can not come soon enough. Ugh.

same thing i was told today at the 42nd street store in manhattan..... i want to upgrade my plan from prepaid but this thing is taking long to come out.:o

[dwella]

SOrry about being off topic. Yes i was referring to tytn II. However, i was under the impression i could use the iphone sim card in my 8525 once i could get it fixed. However, i just found that this is not the case. SO im returning it(not paying the restocking fee) and i just bought a tytn II. Will be here tomorrow. :-) I really just wanted to try the iphone out... it wasnt all that. Thanks guys!

So where did you get it from and what kind of deal did you get? Congrats

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[RacerX10]

silly boy... Take your Nokia in with your SIM card and explain to them how your phone keeps giving you invalid SIM errors and sometimes won't register. They'll give you one for free. :)

Went to ATT today, got a FREE! 3G SIM card. I didn't even have to feign anything, I just took my old POS Nokia in there sans-card and she poked a new one in it for me.

Now all I gotta do is figure out which MediaNet plan to put on the Nokia that will work best and cheapest for unlimited internet when I transfer the SIM to the 8925.

[McHale]

Now all I gotta do is figure out which MediaNet plan to put on the Nokia that will work best and cheapest for unlimited internet when I transfer the SIM to the 8925.

MediaMax 200 unless you need more text messages...

[XSIVSPD]

i was able to use an iPhart sim in my sim unlocked 8125 fwiw

[RacerX10]

MediaMax 200 unless you need more text messages...

do you happen to know if i'll be able to tether, remote desktop and VPN with a mediamax 200 plan ? i saw some posts that said you couldn't with wap.whatever. i don't do very much of any of that, but when i gotta do it, i GOTTA do it

thanks !

[cuboosh]

i tether with the 39.99 plan.. media max unlimited or something.. unlimited data+txt works just fine.. im tethered right now actually

[RacerX10]

i tether with the 39.99 plan.. media max unlimited or something.. unlimited data+txt works just fine.. im tethered right now actually


ok but have you tried anything other than HTTP on that connection ? remote desktop ? vpn ? irc, ftp, any of that ?

thanks for the info

[Illrigger]

any links that may help the att-website challenged among us? ;)
Sorry for being so slow responding, it was a busy day :)

Go to http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/?WT.svl=3 and on the right where it says "You may qualify for employee discounts. Find out", put in your email addresses. Your company, school, bank, etc. may be in one of AT&T's premier plan programs. If you're a federal, state, or educational employee, chances are you qualify.

The discount is usually around 15% on service plans ($39.99 becomes $33.99, for example), an you can usually buy phones for the post-rebate price without having to go through the rebate process. On PDA/smartphones, you get deeper discounts with a data plan - the Treo 750 is $99 with a 2-year unlimited data plan, and the 8525 $199, with no rebates. On a 700 minute family plan ($61 for two lines) with an 8525 with PDA Personal Max UNL ($34) and a second phone with no data plan, you save about $15 a month over the normal rates. Usually the phones are less, too, but not always - for example the 3125 is $99 on both sites, but the retail side has a $50 rebate. Kinda moot when you're saving $150 on the 8525, tho.

It's no SERO, but you aren't going to be stuck with CDMA, either ;)

[Da1ofgreatness]

Anyone knows the difference between Factory unlocked and sim and/or cid unlocked? I was Considering uping to a 8925 but have they develop an unlock for it similar to the 8525 unlock process?

This is the auction I was looking at:
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-HTC-TyTN-II-Pocket-PC-Phone-3G-HSDPA-GPS-KAISER_W0QQitemZ110171886033QQihZ001QQcategoryZ643 55QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Da1ofgreatness]

By the way I LOVE THAT PROGRAM for the 8125/8525 unlocker!

[Da1ofgreatness]

Oh Alomost forgot! For all of u fellas who ran out to purchase that 6gb microsd HC, Sandisk Corp. andsamsung may be releasing an 8gb soon... just thought you'd care to know!:rolleyes: http://www.sandisk.com/Corporate/PressRoom/PressReleases/PressRelease.aspx?ID=3868

[MAXPOW3R]

http://gwww.engadgetmobile.com/tag/8925/

Engadget says the AT&T order date for the tilt is 9/25. Let's hope this thing arrives soon.

[trjons]

Just took the plunge and bought one on eBay.

I wasn't signing a contract with aT&T either way

[weinson]

http://gwww.engadgetmobile.com/tag/8925/

Engadget says the AT&T order date for the tilt is 9/25. Let's hope this thing arrives soon.

actually, they are now saying it is delayed a few weeks. :(

[swtaltima]

http://gwww.engadgetmobile.com/tag/8925/

Engadget says the AT&T order date for the tilt is 9/25. Let's hope this thing arrives soon.


Actually the link you provided states that at&t supposedly shipped the units back to htc to do some "rejiggering" whatever the fuck that means. I'm about 5 seconds away from just forgetting about this piece of shit and being content with my 8525. Seriously I wish an air conditioner would fall on the piece of shit or shits holding this damn thing up. Just tired of at& shits bs retarded launch attempts. Not just venting guys, seriously I am over it. :mad:

[MAXPOW3R]

D'OH


i don't even know whether i will end up getting the AT&T version of the phone, but I want to see what AT&T does with it before I lay out the cash on a TyTN II. this launch is killing me. all i can say is fucking D'OH. :(

[MAXPOW3R]

Actually the link you provided states that at&t supposedly shipped the units back to htc to do some "rejiggering" whatever the fuck that means. I'm about 5 seconds away from just forgetting about this piece of shit and being content with my 8525. Seriously I wish an air conditioner would fall on the piece of shit or shits holding this damn thing up. Just tired of at& shits bs retarded launch attempts. Not just venting guys, seriously I am over it. :mad:

they edited the story between the time I linked it and the time you posted. Earlier they said the Tilt shared the same order date as the Q9. Here is what the linked article used to say:

We've just been tipped on a fresh roadmap for AT&T's fall launches, and goodness, there's a little something for everyone in here! Note that these are order dates, subject to change -- not necessarily in-store dates -- so your mileage may vary trying to grab these devices on the dates you see here. First up, LG rolls out the CG180 and CU515 "Chiwoo" on October 2. Nokia adds another color for the 6555 on October 11, red, which we think will suite it quite nicely. Speaking of new colors, Sony Ericsson brings a black version of the W580i on October 9. The Pantech Duo -- a device we suspect many folks are getting fired up over -- should hit on the same day. From Motorola, the Q9 Global becomes orderable just a few days from now, September 25, alongside the Tilt from HTC. UTStarcom outs the AMOI-sourced 5700 on October 9, giving folks a low cost (albeit non-3G) Windows Mobile option. RIM gets busy with the Curve 8310 on October 4, effectively sunsetting the original 8300 by adding GPS into the mix. On the data modem side, Sierra and Option will both be contributing HSUPA devices in October. Let's hear it for speedy uploads! Follow the break for the full roadmap.

[swtaltima]

they edited the story between the time I linked it and the time you posted. Earlier they said the Tilt shared the same order date as the Q9. Here is what the linked article used to say:

I wasn't directing my verbal attack at you bro, just the morons responsible for yet another failed attempt at a launch by the dip shits at at&t. I called their customer service just now and informed them that they are as usual ruining another launch of a somewhat popular device and I am sure that they are bound to lose some sells/ contracts. Of course I know they do not care, but I at least wanted to insult them a bit LOL.

I personally think in future they need to be a bit more tight lipped on future devices so this speculative bullshit doesn't get spread all over the net time and time again. Frankly I would rather not even know about it until maybe a week before the "actual" release so I could keep my sanity.

[RemE]

With all due respect, AT&T hasn't posted anything, just lots of speculation from every store front jock and web nerd. The problem is folks like us, who have been watching things like Kaiser for the last year in sites like this, we know too much!

To end the frustration, step away from the keyboard or buy a TyTn II now, that's what I did, with no regrets.

[RacerX10]

I wasn't directing my verbal attack at you bro, just the morons responsible for yet another failed attempt at a launch by the dip shits at at&t. I called their customer service just now and informed them that they are as usual ruining another launch of a somewhat popular device and I am sure that they are bound to lose some sells/ contracts.

what a great day to be a CS rep .. i bet they *love* hearing from guys like this :)

dld

[Illrigger]

I wasn't directing my verbal attack at you bro, just the morons responsible for yet another failed attempt at a launch by the dip shits at at&t. I called their customer service just now and informed them that they are as usual ruining another launch of a somewhat popular device and I am sure that they are bound to lose some sells/ contracts. Of course I know they do not care, but I at least wanted to insult them a bit LOL.

I personally think in future they need to be a bit more tight lipped on future devices so this speculative bullshit doesn't get spread all over the net time and time again. Frankly I would rather not even know about it until maybe a week before the "actual" release so I could keep my sanity.

Hah, you talk like AT&T is the worst. Verizon has been trying to launch the i760 and xv6800 for 7 months. AT&T pushing the 8925 back a month is small potatoes in the big picture.

Maybe with VZW and Sprint moving to GSM soon, the prices for unlocked phones here in the US will drop a bit. Then we can just forget about the delays.

[swtaltima]

what a great day to be a CS rep .. i bet they *love* hearing from guys like this :)

dld


"Guys like this" ?

[shogunmark]

With all due respect, AT&T hasn't posted anything, just lots of speculation from every store front jock and web nerd. The problem is folks like us, who have been watching things like Kaiser for the last year in sites like this, we know too much!

To end the frustration, step away from the keyboard or buy a TyTn II now, that's what I did, with no regrets.

I have to agree here... AT&T has never came out and said they were going to release the phone on X day... instead we have a bunch of keyboard commando's with to much time on their hands and "in the know" contacts that dont really know... So until you see something directly from ATT then i would disregard it and just hope they are going to launch then...

[mstevens]

... with VZW and Sprint moving to GSM soon...

How soon is that?

[McHale]

Maybe with VZW and Sprint moving to GSM soon

Um... I don't think so. In fact, I know for positive this statement is WAY wrong. Please tell me you have a link though...

-Mc

[shogunmark]

Um... I don't think so. In fact, I know for positive this statement is WAY wrong. Please tell me you have a link though...

-Mc

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2007/09/21/verizon-adopts-gsm-standard-for-4g-network-cdma-limelight-fading/

[mstevens]

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2007/09/21/verizon-adopts-gsm-standard-for-4g-network-cdma-limelight-fading/

"There are no immediate plans to begin LTE network rollout, so the switch, if it does come, won’t arrive for quite a while."

Thanks for confirming that any possible Verizon GSM switch, if it ever happens, won't be happening any time soon.

It's not that I don't want it. I do! It's that, as this article says, I don't believe I'll live long enough to see it.

[dwella]

"There are no immediate plans to begin LTE network rollout, so the switch, if it does come, won’t arrive for quite a while."

Thanks for confirming that any possible Verizon GSM switch, if it ever happens, won't be happening any time soon.

It's not that I don't want it. I do! It's that, as this article says, I don't believe I'll live long enough to see it.

Dosen't seem to contribute anything to this particular thread....Would be nice to read a little something about the release and price of the kaiser

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[rambo6]

There have been some articles on Vodaphone and Verizon lately - e.g. http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/21/verizon-chooses-lte-for-4g-network-hell-freezes-over/)

As you are all aware, Vodaphone has a large stake in Verizon. Verizon knows that it's biggest downfall is that they have no international service.

Verizon may feel pressure to eventually leave CDMA and go to a GSM network. The cost may be enormous. Currently, the signal used for 3G on GSM networks isn't too much different from CDMA.

The way that Verizon and Sprint's CDMA works is not as good as AT&Ts. I've tested both with new 3G devices and I get consistently better performance on AT&T's in terms of speed. I'm no engineer but I think AT&T uses one band for phone and the other for internet access. This is why one can talk and browse at the same time. I doesn't work as well on the CDMA networks.

I see a convergence coming. All phones should have a SIM type card.

[McHale]

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2007/09/21/verizon-adopts-gsm-standard-for-4g-network-cdma-limelight-fading/


http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/omg.jpg

[avega1027]

Well for the people that are waiting for the release it looks like it would be comming out 10-06-07, per http://mobilitytoday.com/news/att_release_dates_change.html

[lungothrin]

Well for the people that are waiting for the release it looks like it would be comming out 10-06-07, per http://mobilitytoday.com/news/att_release_dates_change.html
That was a relief, i was going to order an unlocked one tonight, but it's is just next friday, i think i can wait!

[herg62123]

From a secret informant see the attachment below for pricing on 8925

[herg62123]

ooppps double post sorry

[McHale]

1st, yah, we knew the prices already. Have known for a while now.

2nd, internal documents? Where are those at?

[lungothrin]

From a secret informant see the attachment below for pricing on 8925

Why the details of 8925 has been erased!? :confused:

[shogunmark]

Why the details of 8925 has been erased!? :confused:

it wasnt erased.. it was merged with this thread since there is ALREADY a topic for this and there was no need to start a new one... so just look up a few posts...

[herg62123]

http://rapidshare.com/files/58546851/002.png

down load this and look at it carefully

[lungothrin]

http://rapidshare.com/files/58546851/002.png

down load this and look at it carefully

Thanks, this looks better. didn't you get any release date date from your secret "informant"?

[McHale]

http://rapidshare.com/files/58546851/002.png

down load this and look at it carefully

well, even after reading the full page, I still don't see what's

A. So secretive

or

B. New

Several weeks ago on Gizmodo:

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/att-tilt-gets-further-specs-price-launch-frame-300047.php

http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/09/atttiltslidefull.jpg

[madmatt079]

Forgive me if this was posted already...

Two days ago I stopped to ask if I could pre-order the 8925. A call was placed and five minutes later I was told October 10. I put a deposit down.

If anything changes I will update all of you.

[dwella]

well, even after reading the full page, I still don't see what's

A. So secretive

or

B. New

Several weeks ago on Gizmodo:

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/att-tilt-gets-further-specs-price-launch-frame-300047.php

http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/09/atttiltslidefull.jpg

Boy Genius posted it again today.....Still no release date. Don't get the secret either.

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[aaronsmckee]

Sprint and Verizon moving to away from CDMA and Tmob adding 3g is great news for U.S. consumers, European style device provider portability and lower prices here we come! ATT's stock is going to start a long downward spiral they are about to loose their main competative advantage.

[dwella]

Sprint and Verizon moving to away from CDMA and Tmob adding 3g is great news for U.S. consumers, European style device provider portability and lower prices here we come! ATT's stock is going to start a long downward spiral they are about to loose their main competative advantage.

Don't know what your post has to do with this thread, maybe you hit the wrong thread. Seems a little early to be drinking. If you think Verizon and sprint will catch ATT in your lifetime than have another on me:eek:

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[shogunmark]

Don't know what your post has to do with this thread, maybe you hit the wrong thread. Seems a little early to be drinking. If you think Verizon and sprint will catch ATT in your lifetime than have another on me:eek:

d

well it was all talked about in this thread, so the post is relevant... and they might not catch att, but will provide a more competative market, which is a win win situation for consumers ;)

[crucialdudee]

Remember the guys who supposebly going to get their 8925's for FREE on SEPTEMBER 3RD.....hmmm i wonder if their having fun with their phones..... har har har har ........:-X

[iservealot]

Remember the guys who supposebly going to get their 8925's for FREE on SEPTEMBER 3RD.....hmmm i wonder if their having fun with their phones..... har har har har ........:-X

No, they have to wait like everyone else too. The good thing is that "they" were sent out ANOTHER 8525 to hold out until the 8925 actually came out, where it would still be sent for free of course. ;)

EDIT - ATT just called me and let me know that they received word that my local ATT store should be getting a shipment in tomorrow (friday). I am taking this worth a grain of salt. Kind of interesting how they actually called me, though.

[crucialdudee]

thats awesome.....keep us in touch if the shipment does come in ....then imma jump on it too

[lungothrin]

No, they have to wait like everyone else too. The good thing is that "they" were sent out ANOTHER 8525 to hold out until the 8925 actually came out, where it would still be sent for free of course. ;)

EDIT - ATT just called me and let me know that they received word that my local ATT store should be getting a shipment in tomorrow (friday). I am taking this worth a grain of salt. Kind of interesting how they actually called me, though.

you mean that you will get your 8925 tomorrow!?!
how is this possible?! will it be available tomorrow?!

[mikeeey]

No, they have to wait like everyone else too. The good thing is that "they" were sent out ANOTHER 8525 to hold out until the 8925 actually came out, where it would still be sent for free of course. ;)

EDIT - ATT just called me and let me know that they received word that my local ATT store should be getting a shipment in tomorrow (friday). I am taking this worth a grain of salt. Kind of interesting how they actually called me, though.
Wow, well that is much better to actually hear from AT&T that you will be getting it, rather than rumors and "sources" telling us when it will arive. well i sure hope you get it, tell us how well the device is when you do. and PLEASE tell us if it has GPS.

[austinsnyc]

i thought this rumor has been put to bed already? OK people listen up the
AT-T tilt/9825 WILL have GPS! I also hope it comes in this week i want to get one even though i have the HTC model. I like having a back up phone at all times. Still have 2 hermes that are brand new if anyone wants one.

[mikeeey]

i thought this rumor has been put to bed already? OK people listen up the
AT-T tilt/9825 WILL have GPS! I also hope it comes in this week i want to get one even though i have the HTC model. I like having a back up phone at all times. Still have 2 hermes that are brand new if anyone wants one.
i would strongly believe it would hve gps too, just so many rumors its hard what to believe. they all sounds confincing usually

[avega1027]

It looks like it WILL have GPS courtesy of this persons great pics, enjoy!

http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imag0021fx4.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imag0001wx2.jpg

[Entropy512]

It looks like it WILL have GPS courtesy of this persons great pics, enjoy!

http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imag0021fx4.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imag0001wx2.jpg

The only evidence I see of GPS is "Get TeleNav"

The worry people have is not that it won't have GPS, but it will have a GPS locked in such a way that it can only be used with TeleNav (Which is what AT&T did for the GPS on one of the Blackberry devices.)

[dwella]

What really sucks is that it is the ugly model with the blue fn key and all those white keys........:eek: Whoever designed it with those colors must work for sprint or verizon

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[pho]

No, they have to wait like everyone else too. The good thing is that "they" were sent out ANOTHER 8525 to hold out until the 8925 actually came out, where it would still be sent for free of course. ;)

EDIT - ATT just called me and let me know that they received word that my local ATT store should be getting a shipment in tomorrow (friday). I am taking this worth a grain of salt. Kind of interesting how they actually called me, though.

So, is it at the store?

[vwremglx]

A link of interest: http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/28/atandts-tilt-kaiser-variation-spotted-in-the-wild/

The chrome makes me want to hurl. I don't need a phone with bling. :mad:


sorry if it's old news already... new to me.

[swtaltima]

So, is it at the store?



What he said... Ive also got my buddy at a corporate store on the look out this morning. I personally dont believe it exists LOL, but you never know. At&t may actually have done somethin right.

[TimSykes]

Has anyone seen it yet or picked one up yet?

[evolution_theory]

What he said... Ive also got my buddy at a corporate store on the look out this morning. I personally dont believe it exists LOL, but you never know. At&t may actually have done somethin right.

Wow, so the tilt looks like it doesnt even have the home screen.

[sqadan]

Oh noes... chrome buttons??? can you say ugly? And it has the white numeric keys just as everyone feared - and it looks like no HTC home plugin either.

I'm glad I got mine unlocked from HTC... looks much classier than the AT&T version. I wonder in what ways it will be crippled?

It looks like it has a link to Telenav.... prolly means no GPS either.

[swtaltima]

Oh noes... chrome buttons??? can you say ugly? And it has the white numeric keys just as everyone feared - and it looks like no HTC home plugin either.

I'm glad I got mine unlocked from HTC... looks much classier than the AT&T version. I wonder in what ways it will be crippled?

It looks like it has a link to Telenav.... prolly means no GPS either.



Pretty sure its been confirmed that the gps is in the device but since they do not include the tom tom software they still show telenav. Although Im sure its included I for one think AT&T would have a riot on the hands if the f_ _ked up to that extent. Just my .02

[RacerX10]

Oh lord please tell me that this phone I've been waiting for DOES NOT HAVE CHROME F@#$!@#ING BUTTONS ON IT !


http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=329932&page=13


DLD

[dwella]

Oh lord please tell me that this phone I've been waiting for DOES NOT HAVE CHROME F@#$!@#ING BUTTONS ON IT !


http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=329932&page=13


DLD

It has chrome buttons that's why I ordered the TyTN ll

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[RacerX10]

Another page was reporting that the picture with chrome buttons and white keyboard stuff was an 'early prototype'

I'm not convinced this isn't a pic of the same (hopeful, for sure !)

DLD

[shogunmark]

Another page was reporting that the picture with chrome buttons and white keyboard stuff was an 'early prototype'

I'm not convinced this isn't a pic of the same (hopeful, for sure !)

DLD

you are aware that the today screen on that picture shows the date of "Thursday September 27 2007"

yes it has bling, er i mean chrome Dpad
yes it has white buttons
yes it has GPS and no its not locked to telenav (just doesnt include tomtom)

[MAXPOW3R]

Another page was reporting that the picture with chrome buttons and white keyboard stuff was an 'early prototype'

I'm not convinced this isn't a pic of the same (hopeful, for sure !)

DLD

yeah i heard that, too. also heard it was the german version. what an ugly phone. i don't know what i'm going to do now. my office would pay for the Tilt, but not for the TyTN II.

[swtaltima]

No, they have to wait like everyone else too. The good thing is that "they" were sent out ANOTHER 8525 to hold out until the 8925 actually came out, where it would still be sent for free of course.

EDIT - ATT just called me and let me know that they received word that my local ATT store should be getting a shipment in tomorrow (friday). I am taking this worth a grain of salt. Kind of interesting how they actually called me, though.

come on brotha, whats the deal? Did you get the damn phone or not :D my connection said it did not arrive today :mad: :mad: :mad:

[pho]

so i stopped by the store, based upon the above posts. here is what i learned

1 of the employees asked themselves if it came in - ARE YOU ON THIS FORUM?:)
2 the guy looked it up in the computer, it said launch date sept 21 ;) he checked the skew and they didn't have any on order ocming to the store
3. the guy put in outlook my name and number and promised to call me the day they come in. I thought that was nice

[RacerX10]

I wonder ..

Does HTC have a "parts" department ?

Any chance of being able to buy non-ugly keytops and d-pad ?

Upon closer inspection, I've figured out that HTC Kaiser and ATT 8925 *both* have chrome keys for call / hang / OK / Win keys

DLD

[GenesysLV]

I wonder ..

Does HTC have a "parts" department ?

Any chance of being able to buy non-ugly keytops and d-pad ?

Upon closer inspection, I've figured out that HTC Kaiser and ATT 8925 *both* have chrome keys for call / hang / OK / Win keys

DLD


Look closely at the pics. Tilt has chrome explorer/messaging/soft buttons.

My kaiser does not.

[RacerX10]

this kaiser clearly has chrome on the keys i mentioned

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/176/b155807ji9.jpg

DLD

[leoiden]

kaiser is overpriced and no use for
front camera in the usa
I cannot believe we are almost begging att to release this already
att should beg us to take our money we are the customers !!!!!!!!!!!!

[evolution_theory]

this kaiser clearly has chrome on the keys i mentioned

DLD

Not all over it.. just the outside. HTC Kaiser looks WAY better than the tilt!

[Dan.308]

I work for AT&T Mobility. Just to be clear, I'm not puking out the Corporate Propaganda here. I am first and foremost a consumer as well. I'm always looking for best product for my money too.

* The 8925 is being launched in 2 versions. One with cameras and one without for security restricted users. Many companies do not allow camera phones for fear of corporate espionage but there are plenty of power users that work for those companies.
* Video calling is going to be available. It takes time to build out a true 3G network and provide all the functionality. I'm not challenging anyone's intelligence here but most consumers are not aware that some parts of the US are operating on Cellular Networks that span as far back as the 1940s. This is when AT&T originally launched Cellular service for large fleet services and government/LE use. Over the years these systems have obviously been upgraded but you have to consider US carriers have more than 50 times the market to cover than the average European or Asian carriers so it will naturally take considerably longer to upgrade.
*New features built in: GPS, Blackberry 4.0, WM6 Professional standard(won't last long for anyone on this forum though), 256/128 ROM/RAM Qualcomm 400MHz chip.
*By the end of 2008 AT&T should have full True 3G UMTS/HSPDA capability in every market we are licensed in. Network upgrades are built out on a basis of population density. The largest markets with the most users get upgrades first. It's killing me too waiting for it. I used to work in Central Fl. I would have had 3G 1 1/2yrs ago. Now I'm in TN and we should have it by the end of the year. Fingers crossed.
*As of right now full retail price at release is supposed to be $549.99. 2yr contract should be $299.99. Prices obviously can change at any time. I would guess they will not be delivered to the stores until the 8525 stocks are depleted.

Dan.308
8525
VP3G WM6 Rom

[while(!(linux)){wm}]

Dan.308 or anoyone else who might have experience with this...

on Sept 9th i got a new 2 year plan with ATT and an 8525. i knew there was another version coming out, but i thought it was going to be a LOT longer than one month. During the signup process, the guy at the counter mentioned that the new one is coming out in a month... i was not happy to hear that. He told me a "trick"... and i'm wondering if it actually works.

He said that if the new version doesnt come out before my 30 days are up, i can return it for a full refund to one store, and then go to another store and get a different phone with a NEW 30 day return. That way, i can wait a bit longer for the new phone.

My questions:
1. Is this true?
2. Am i still going to get my discount from the 2 year contract i signed?
3. Is there anything else i need to be aware of?

I am only partially pleased with my 8525. It's nice, yes, but the 8925 has the features i wanted (and actually thought the 8525 had until i looked closer at it). I REALLY dont want to be locked in for 2 years with the 8525. I'm disappointed with myself for not checking these forums before switching over to ATT.

[RacerX10]

Not all over it.. just the outside. HTC Kaiser looks WAY better than the tilt!


agreed. hopefully there will be a way to un-ugly the 8925.

DLD

[dwella]

agreed. hopefully there will be a way to un-ugly the 8925.

DLD

If the keypad and the dpads are interchangable than that might work and what the cost would be??? I'm ok with the big blue Fn key but the white and chrome needs to take a hike....

d

[psyferre]

while(!(linux)){wm} , I can confirm at least part of this strategy. I bought an 8525 online back about the 13th of august and found this forum the next day while looking for a new rom to put on it when it arrived. Needless to say, I wanted to get a Kaiser. I took my phone back to an AT&T store on the 30th day and returned it for a full refund, and the guy there called to have my contract reverted back to the way it was when i bought the 8525. The rep he talked to actually decided it was easier to completely drop my current contract rather than revert, so now instead of having a 10 month old contract that I have to fight for an early upgrade on I have a completely clean slate! :cool:

I have also heard of others using your strategy, which seems to work as long as you go to different stores.

Ugh. I'm getting impatient. This 3125 SUCKS. :(

Dan.308 or anoyone else who might have experience with this...

on Sept 9th i got a new 2 year plan with ATT and an 8525. i knew there was another version coming out, but i thought it was going to be a LOT longer than one month. During the signup process, the guy at the counter mentioned that the new one is coming out in a month... i was not happy to hear that. He told me a "trick"... and i'm wondering if it actually works.

He said that if the new version doesnt come out before my 30 days are up, i can return it for a full refund to one store, and then go to another store and get a different phone with a NEW 30 day return. That way, i can wait a bit longer for the new phone.

My questions:
1. Is this true?
2. Am i still going to get my discount from the 2 year contract i signed?
3. Is there anything else i need to be aware of?

I am only partially pleased with my 8525. It's nice, yes, but the 8925 has the features i wanted (and actually thought the 8525 had until i looked closer at it). I REALLY dont want to be locked in for 2 years with the 8525. I'm disappointed with myself for not checking these forums before switching over to ATT.

[while(!(linux)){wm}]

Thanks psyferre!

I'm hoping i can do something similar. I have a few friends with old cingular phones lying around, and i'm thinking of putting my sim in one of those for a month or so while i wait. I guess i just need to verify that i'll still get the discount for my 2 year contract when the 8925 finally comes out.

If only the Kaiser would come out before or by the 8th! Then i wont have to worry about all this stuff!

[RacerX10]

Ok , IMHO, it looks somewhat less-ugly in these pics :

http://www.wirefly.com/images/phones/att_8925_att_z1.jpg
http://www.wirefly.com/images/phones/att_8925_att_z2.jpg
http://www.wirefly.com/images/phones/att_8925_att_z4.jpg
http://www.wirefly.com/images/phones/att_8925_att_z5.jpg

Certianly worth saving $400 bucks over (vs getting a kaiser)

DLD

[Brickcity]

Looks better than any of my old ones!

[mikeeey]

Ok , IMHO, it looks somewhat less-ugly in these pics :

http://www.wirefly.com/images/phones/att_8925_att_z1.jpg
http://www.wirefly.com/images/phones/att_8925_att_z2.jpg
http://www.wirefly.com/images/phones/att_8925_att_z4.jpg
http://www.wirefly.com/images/phones/att_8925_att_z5.jpg

Certianly worth saving $400 bucks over (vs getting a kaiser)

DLD
yea that actually really doesnt look too bad.

[shogunmark]

is it just me or does the white keys seem to appear that ATT is flipping you the bird??? :D

[dwella]

is it just me or does the white keys seem to appear that ATT is flipping you the bird??? :D

That is to funny but so true.......

No matter how you look at that phone it is UGLY but I understand trying to "drink her purty" Kind of like Rosie and Tyra Banks if Rosie is the best you can do at least convince yourself she is pretty and straight. Me I want Tyra:D

d

[while(!(linux)){wm}]

So, tomorrow is October 1st... one of the many release dates we have been hearing. Bets on it coming out? ;)

[austinsnyc]

So, tomorrow is October 1st... one of the many release dates we have been hearing. Bets on it coming out? ;)

well i have a source that says october 8th phones will be shipped. No if you all noticed i have not said anything about this before so I was saving this lol.. But I will bet someone a dime! that on October 8th the phones will be for sale!

[mzahiri]

well i have a source that says october 8th phones will be shipped. No if you all noticed i have not said anything about this before so I was saving this lol.. But I will bet someone a dime! that on October 8th the phones will be for sale!

Alright, I'm willing to take that bet. lol. i doubt that AT&T will deliver the Tilt anytime soon.


you take paypal? :D

[psumosdef]

newly updated att rebate form says 299 after 100 rebate im a rep at a corporate store. also release date is nov 12 was pushed back .. email sent from northeast regional VP ..

[mzahiri]

newly updated att rebate form says 299 after 100 rebate im a rep at a corporate store. also release date is nov 12 was pushed back .. email sent from northeast regional VP ..

According to this post, you lose $.10. but then again this post is from someone who is probably talking out of their A$$.

[austinsnyc]

LOL thats to funny. I thought AT-T reps where not suppose to talk about release dates or in house emails? I call BS i could be wrong though.

[pho]

So, tomorrow is October 1st... one of the many release dates we have been hearing. Bets on it coming out? ;)

oct 2nd is what i heard. Never heard the first

but if this thing doesn't hit on the 2nd, i'm ordering the unlocked one

[shogunmark]

I will bet you all $.50 that this phone is for sale by Feb '08 :D

[sherpa]

I will bet you all $.50 that this phone is for sale by Feb '08 :D

Man, you are cheap! I will bet $1,000,000,000 that this phone will be released by December of 2008. :D

[BoostedSR20]

Been lurking on these forums since I had my PPC 6700. Finally signed up when I switched to AT&T and got the 8525. Of course now I'm waiting on the tilt.
My local store told me October 1st about 2 weeks ago. This guy is really cool, sold me my 8525 for cheaper than anywhere else, and is going to sell me the Tilt for his cost. When I asked for a date he called someone, no idea who.
I know this info is pretty much useless.. lol
I'm just subscribing to the thread. :cool:

[weinson]

Just posted on gizmodo .... see this link (http://www.tiltyourworld.com/)

[vasquja]

A 2007 launch. Great, so that leaves us with tomorrow through December 31st :P

[McHale]

Man, you are cheap! I will bet $1,000,000,000 that this phone will be released by December of 2008. :D

I hope I'm not the only one to tell you how foolish you are. I've seen them shit-can a phone when it was near delivery. This is AT&T you're dealing with. I'm still waiting for the WM6 updates they promised...

-Mc

[NappyBoy001]

so from that link, when do u think the release date is?

[vasquja]

I've read many dates ranging from 10/2, 10/8, 10/23, all the way til the end of November. No one really knows for sure. I'd love for it to be released 10/2 though.

[iservealot]

From what I keep hearing, the phone will come out within the first couple weeks of oct.

Just to raise your hopes that AT&T is even aware of the phone, check this out http://www.tiltyourworld.com/calendar/.

[tbfl]

From what I keep hearing, the phone will come out within the first couple weeks of oct.

Just to raise your hopes that AT&T is even aware of the phone, check this out http://www.tiltyourworld.com/calendar/.

Would it not make sense for them to NOT release the phone until they ave held all of these events with their staff ?

[TimSykes]

Would it not make sense for them to NOT release the phone until they ave held all of these events with their staff ?

Well the last one is called "AT&T Tilt Your World Event - Pleasanton" on Nov 6th. That would tell me thats when they plan to have a "world event" maybe a a realease into the wild. that would be great.

[MAXPOW3R]

i can't believe how fucking long it is taking for AT&T to launch this phone. Nov 6th would be great? many of us thought it was coming out end of August/early September and have been waiting for months. I might have to get another phone and play this game again next year with a different phone in a later generation.

[dwella]

i can't believe how fucking long it is taking for AT&T to launch this phone. Nov 6th would be great? many of us thought it was coming out end of August/early September and have been waiting for months. I might have to get another phone and play this game again next year with a different phone in a later generation.

HeHe Max I know it's frustrating but I remember the same with the BB8700 and the 8525 and ect....The point is next year we will be talking about the latest greatest PDA that we are waiting to be released. And you can go to the Nokia forums and there are the same posts just different phone and Tmob is talking about the latest greatest sidekick and on and on. It's fun or we all would go get that free candy bar phone aned move on.

d:D

[YodaJM]

According to JP Whoregan at HoFo, who's at the Orlando training event today, HTC says Oct 5th is the launch date. Hopefully this stays true.

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1251378

[while(!(linux)){wm}]

They're claiming a verified release of 10/5/07 over at howardforums

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1251378

[dwella]

They are also saying the gps is locked to telenav.......

d

[Memnoch30]

They are also saying the gps is locked to telenav.......

d

That just sucks...That can work out for them. The people who really want this phone, will get the TyTN II instead of the AT&T branded version. So AT&T doesn't lose out on profits on the hardware because of how subsidized it is, while the few people who don't know better, will pay them the $10/month for TeleNav.

[psyferre]

I figure AT&T thinks: "Why unlock the GPS? Those that care enough to buy the unlocked phone instead will probably also know that a cooked rom will eventually come out. They'll buy our phone and wait just to save money. It also liberates our salesmen because they can truthfully say that the telenav service is required! Now we have all basic customers and those waiting for a rom using telenav, and our device sales have hardly suffered at all!"

:mad: It makes business sense, but it still sucks.

Wish i knew enough to help with the unlocking effort. :(


That just sucks...That can work out for them. The people who really want this phone, will get the TyTN II instead of the AT&T branded version. So AT&T doesn't lose out on profits on the hardware because of how subsidized it is, while the few people who don't know better, will pay them the $10/month for TeleNav.

[LCBrewing]

That just sucks...That can work out for them. The people who really want this phone, will get the TyTN II instead of the AT&T branded version. So AT&T doesn't lose out on profits on the hardware because of how subsidized it is, while the few people who don't know better, will pay them the $10/month for TeleNav.

Yeah - but how long will that really last once cooked ROMs start to hit? I'm sure that if someone can figure out how to gut and cook a ROM they can figure out how to unlock the GPS. Personally, I'm stuck having a phone that my company buys for me. When the 8925 is actually available, they will let me get one (by trading my 4-month-old 8525 to someone looking to upgrade from a "normal" phone). So, I'm one of those that will have to live with what AT&T has to offer in the unit - not what I "could" get by shelling out double the price for the HTC model. It is too bad AT&T appears to be pulling a move like this, but seeing that the chip is in the phone and the functionality appears to be enabled in some form, then I have no doubt the great minds on this site will develop a way to unleash it.

[MAXPOW3R]

HeHe Max I know it's frustrating but I remember the same with the BB8700 and the 8525 and ect....The point is next year we will be talking about the latest greatest PDA that we are waiting to be released. And you can go to the Nokia forums and there are the same posts just different phone and Tmob is talking about the latest greatest sidekick and on and on. It's fun or we all would go get that free candy bar phone aned move on.

d:D

you're right, it should be fun waiting for the phone to come, and i am trying to keep that in perspective. but when i first heard about the 8925, i really did not think it was so far away from its launch.

more than anything i am frustrated by the fact that i feel like i already invested the time and energy into figuring out which phone i want and don't really want to go back to the drawing board comparing phones. if i had any inkling this phone would be coming out 2 months later than i thought it would, i likely would have eliminated it from consideration. unfortunately, a phone rep at an AT&T store told me about the phone and that it would be coming within a few days. i had no reason to doubt him. little did i know what lay ahead!

for what it is worth, every AT&T store I have visited has told me the GPS will not be "locked" to telnav and that you can buy software instead to use the GPS.

[dscline]

for what it is worth, every AT&T store I have visited has told me the GPS will not be "locked" to telnav and that you can buy software instead to use the GPS.

And FWIW, only the HoFO poster JP Whoregan is claiming that it is locked. Another poster there with an 8925 is claiming it's not locked.

[weinson]

And FWIW, only the HoFO poster JP Whoregan is claiming that it is locked. Another poster there with an 8925 is claiming it's not locked.

well, I saw one of the Blackberrys that they had locked to telenav. not sure how they did it, but until you signed up for telenav, the GPS did not work. Once you had signed up, the gps worked with all programs.

So, bottom line, it is possible ... but presumably (hopefully) we will figure out how to undo this lock before too long.

[dscline]

I'm not saying that locking isn't possible, I'm saying someone (presumably an AT&T employee) with an 8925 has specifically stated that the 8925 is NOT locked down. See here (http://www.howardforums.com/showpost.php?p=9982529&postcount=16).

[_LEM_]

Here some real pictures of the AT&T Tilt from another forum:

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/pietrasj/100_0172.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/pietrasj/100_0180.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/pietrasj/100_0174.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/pietrasj/100_0181.jpg


It seems that the FINAL release date is going to be THIS FRIDAY.

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1251541

[pho]

no case? what a bunch of cheap-a$$

[wpbear]

well, I saw one of the Blackberrys that they had locked to telenav. not sure how they did it, but until you signed up for telenav, the GPS did not work. Once you had signed up, the gps worked with all programs.

So, bottom line, it is possible ... but presumably (hopefully) we will figure out how to undo this lock before too long.

TeleNav is a monthly service, so couldnt you add the feature, run TeleNav, and cancel right away. It would cost $4.99 prorated to do that.

[BoostedSR20]

Looks like the GPS is working fine.. (I'm following the thread on the Howard Forums) Now I can only hope the actual phone is out on the 5th.

[swamp2]

Here some real pictures of the AT&T Tilt from another forum:
...


Wow I simply can not believe that they do not list GPS as a major "bullet point" on the front of the box.

[avega1027]

well, I saw one of the Blackberrys that they had locked to telenav. not sure how they did it, but until you signed up for telenav, the GPS did not work. Once you had signed up, the gps worked with all programs.

So, bottom line, it is possible ... but presumably (hopefully) we will figure out how to undo this lock before too long.

You do NOt have to activate TeleNav in order to jump start another GPS software. Confirmed by 2 different guys over @ HoFo. One guy just d/led google maps from the start and the GPs locked on and it started working w/google maps w/o ever using TeleNav.

[McHale]

I do have TomTom installed but still find this free utility worth keeping on the Kaiser:

http://www.visualgps.net/VisualGPSce/default.htm

http://www.visualgps.net/VisualGPSce/VisualGPSce.gif

And if you're looking to "jumpstart" your GPS using some APP that will try to lock on for a while, this will do the trick nicely.



-Mc

[vwremglx]

Just got a txt from my buddy @ at&t. The Tilt is in their system and he was able to order me one. He estimates receiving it next week. "Demand is high and they are very hard to get" he said. (I asked him to get me 2 as a joke and he said that is impossible) From the way it sounded high volume markets will be getting more than others. Where I am it might be a while then.

So I hope this is good news for people. Hopefully I am 1 week away from saying goodbye to my 8125! :D

[jscottd]

I just talked to a guy at AT&T and he couldn't order it yet. He could look it up using the sku (64761) and said they had over 4000 in stock. He also said he didn't know when it was going to be released.

[sherpa]

Just got a txt from my buddy @ at&t. The Tilt is in their system and he was able to order me one. He estimates receiving it next week. "Demand is high and they are very hard to get" he said. (I asked him to get me 2 as a joke and he said that is impossible) From the way it sounded high volume markets will be getting more than others. Where I am it might be a while then.

So I hope this is good news for people. Hopefully I am 1 week away from saying goodbye to my 8125! :D

I will be up all night tomorrow! :D

[avega1027]

I will be up all night tomorrow! :D

That goes for me too!

[pho]

anybody ever stay up to order a phone before? Does it like open up in the system at midnight?

[iservealot]

I've been trying to get the inside scoop on this phone from ATT, and the phone is currently available for Premiere Account holders.

I have no idea how your buddy ordered you one, as the phone is not available to shipment for personal account at this time....

[BoostedSR20]

I'm going to check with my ATT guy in about an hour. I'm guessing I'll get the same type of answer tho... (thanx for the sku) :)

[Illrigger]

I've been trying to get the inside scoop on this phone from ATT, and the phone is currently available for Premiere Account holders.

I have no idea how your buddy ordered you one, as the phone is not available to shipment for personal account at this time....

Not on our Premier site yet. :(

[trjons]

It ain't Worth all that hand Wringing to save $200!

buy The HTC branded!

[randomtask16]

Not on our Premier site yet. :(

Not here either.:(

[TimSykes]

I could not get it with a business account as of noon today.

[sherpa]

Not here either.:(

And same here...... :(

[iservealot]

And same here...... :(

If you ask ATT reps, they have a little note that says "This phone is only available to Corporate Premiere account holders"

The phone is slated to release OCT 5th (friday) by the looks of it.

[Illrigger]

It ain't Worth all that hand Wringing to save $200!

buy The HTC branded!

I'll be buying it on Premier and saving closer to $400 - is that worth all the hand wringing? :P

[avega1027]

I'll be buying it on Premier and saving closer to $400 - is that worth all the hand wringing? :P

Same here. Im wondering why most of the people that have bought the HTC branded one are bashing & making idiotic comments about the people that are purchasing the 8925? Are you guys pissed that you spent a lot more money for a device to later find out you can get practically the same device(with the help of xda developers in unlocking, ROMs, etc) for less? I keep seeing this little bashing in different threads, always some idiot saying something negative.

[trjons]

I wouldn't have signed a contract anyway so I look at it as a $200 difference, and I will have had mine 6 weeks by the time you AT&Ters get it. lol

[avega1027]

In my case its a $400 w/o a contract, just an upgrade(no fee) :)

[zetajunkie]

Same here. Im wondering why most of the people that have bought the HTC branded one are bashing & making idiotic comments about the people that are purchasing the 8925? Are you guys pissed that you spent a lot more money for a device to later find out you can get practically the same device(with the help of xda developers in unlocking, ROMs, etc) for less? I keep seeing this little bashing in different threads, always some idiot saying something negative.

Sounds like someone is tired of waiting for the At&t release? You shouldn't think of it as bashing someone who wants to save money. It's bashing someone for being impatient for the at&t release when the phone is already available (for a few hundred more).
Personally, i'm glad i got the unbranded version for the aesthetic look of the device, and even how it was packaged. At&t is not going to wow you over with it's great packaging, but it's got the right price. For some, the all chromed out dpad buttons and the blue paint on the keys may not make a difference, but that (and my impatience to get this lovely device) was enough for me. I admit, having xda unlock the cid would be just dandy (swell, even), but in all honesty, i have no real complaints about the stock rom. Any of the issues that i've had is from the random software that i've been piling in.
Oh, calling people "idiots" just adds to the whole negative vibe. Can't we all just get along?

um, what was the topic again?

[dwella]

Same here. Im wondering why most of the people that have bought the HTC branded one are bashing & making idiotic comments about the people that are purchasing the 8925? Are you guys pissed that you spent a lot more money for a device to later find out you can get practically the same device(with the help of xda developers in unlocking, ROMs, etc) for less? I keep seeing this little bashing in different threads, always some idiot saying something negative.

The only negative I have said is that its ugly which it is. I certainly don't mind paying xda for my TyTN ll. Looks to me and having an unlocked HTC phone is more important to me and the money is not as important to me as to some. I may buy one of the 8925's as a back up cause if you turn those white keys a certain way it looks like your flipping or being flipped off:eek: :D

d

[BoostedSR20]

Ive been thinking of getting the HTC myself.. are there any spiffy uses for the front camera?

[ptdw]

Picked mine up today from a ATT retail store. $349.99 after rebate.

-pd

[dan5.5]

Hey,
where did u get the att one?
What store?
Ive went to liek 10 locations and none had them in stock.
thanks a bunch

[mikeeey]

Picked mine up today from a ATT retail store. $349.99 after rebate.

-pd
what??? how?
it's not even out yet, its not on the website yet.

[Illrigger]

I wouldn't have signed a contract anyway so I look at it as a $200 difference, and I will have had mine 6 weeks by the time you AT&Ters get it. lol
If that's the way you see it, it's around $800 less, since by waiting for the 8925, my employer will be footing the bill - for the phone AND the plan. :p

[abl1]

:) http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4800&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=24486

[sherpa]

:) http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4800&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=24486

Finally, something really official official! :D Oh boy, Friday is going to be great and next week (when I get the phone) will be even better! :D

[trjons]

Sold an 8525 on ebay for 350, bought an iphone, hated it and sold it on ebay for a profit, and ate the difference. Came with Tom Tom, a spiffy case, and a front camera. Its all good..

[jessesam]

why is tilt so cheap in AT&T did they cripple any features of kaiser ?

[avega1027]

Sounds like someone is tired of waiting for the At&t release? You shouldn't think of it as bashing someone who wants to save money. It's bashing someone for being impatient for the at&t release when the phone is already available (for a few hundred more).
Personally, i'm glad i got the unbranded version for the aesthetic look of the device, and even how it was packaged. At&t is not going to wow you over with it's great packaging, but it's got the right price. For some, the all chromed out dpad buttons and the blue paint on the keys may not make a difference, but that (and my impatience to get this lovely device) was enough for me. I admit, having xda unlock the cid would be just dandy (swell, even), but in all honesty, i have no real complaints about the stock rom. Any of the issues that i've had is from the random software that i've been piling in.
Oh, calling people "idiots" just adds to the whole negative vibe. Can't we all just get along?

um, what was the topic again?

I guess for me the $$ & non-usefulness of the front cam on the HTC wasnt worth more than my impatience & reasoning. Since AT&T isnt using the front cam on anything, I dont see the need to pay for it when I have a choice of getting a phone that wont have it & be saving more than a couple hundred dollars. Why would you then bash someone anyway for waiting for a phone to be released when they are choosing to get practically the same phone but for less? C'mon the only real difference is no front cam & its unlocked on the HTC (minus the added programs put by AT&T) Do I see that worth an extra $400, no way. Am I "weird" for waiting for a device that may be worth saving some money, so be it. I honestly dont care what the packaging looks like since Im not going to be taking it around everywhere and showing it to people. Again, what AT&T striped from the phone was the cam, which costs pennies, which to me I wasnt going to pay $400 more for it furthermore it being locked which we all know that wont be the case for very long(which would be free:D ). Hey I didnt start pointing fingers @ people and making little sarcastic comments about damn why did you pay so much, shouldnt you have waited? I was in the same boat as you, I was about to buy the unlocked version if AT&T didnt announce anything by oct 5th, but hey its like they read my mind, and out of the clouds came the official announcement. Yippe for me

[klmsu19]

hmmm anyone notice in the press release it says as low as $299.99? hmmm

[YodaJM]

hmmm anyone notice in the press release it says as low as $299.99? hmmm

Yeah I noticed that too. My guess is they have the $50 data-plan rebate that's been known plus $50 online purchase savings. So that would be $399 - 100 = $299.

Hopefully the price on the Premier site is just as good :).

[zetajunkie]

"Unlimited monthly data plans that include corporate email are $44.99 with a voice contract***. Personal data plans, which include personal email, begin at $29.99 a month for 20 MB of data***. AT&T also offers an international data plan for the AT&T Tilt — 20 MB in nearly 30 countries — for an additional $24.99 a month."

I can't wait!

[Entropy512]

why is tilt so cheap in AT&T did they cripple any features of kaiser ?

Front camera was removed (not a major feature especially if you're an AT&T customer, but probably takes a decent amount off the cost of the unit)
It's SIM-locked (Unlocked phones always command a decent price premium) - No big deal if you're an AT&T customer
The advertised price is the contract subsidized price, which requires a 2-year committment to AT&T. The non-contract price will be higher (I'm hearing $549-$599). That's still a decent amount cheaper than the TyTn II, but the TyTn II commands the aforementioned price premium for being unlocked.
It apparently has a few rebates contingent on the user committing to an additional data plan with a minimum value of $39.99/month

[jessesam]

If we can remove the telenav and install tomtom since we have to pay for telenav, i will definitely buy from AT&T.

[weinson]

Tough waiting ... I wonder when it will hit the ATT websites for order ... I guess I have to be patient

[ptdw]

what??? how?
it's not even out yet, its not on the website yet.

Made some calls, and one of the stores literally just opened the box. I am not sure if they were suppose to sell it early, but the system didn't stop the guy from ringing it up for me.

Offhand, coming from the wizard and then hermes. The power button is a little upsetting for my fat fingers, that and the lack of the hardware comm button (somehow missed this when i was reading reviews and looking at pics)

-pd

[trjons]

Some of us are on corporate plans with the old media works unlimited package paying $19.99 less 15% for data, and agreeing to a $34 or 39 or $44 a month plan would chew up any hardware savings quick!

[warwickwebb]

Some of us are on corporate plans with the old media works unlimited package paying $19.99 less 15% for data, and agreeing to a $34 or 39 or $44 a month plan would chew up any hardware savings quick!

I'm in the same boat. I'm definately going to try to keep the medianet unlimited gravy train with my new Tilt! If anyone has any success keeping Medianet with the Tilt, please post your experience here....

[TimSykes]

what about just getting the phone without a contract. It should keep your plan the same, you may have to pay more for the phone but it should not change the monthly. Just a idea.

[warwickwebb]

what about just getting the phone without a contract. It should keep your plan the same, you may have to pay more for the phone but it should not change the monthly. Just a idea.

Actually not a bad idea. Over time it may be a lot cheaper than having to upgrade to a 'real' PDA data plan.....

[willieb9000]

Actually not a bad idea. Over time it may be a lot cheaper than having to upgrade to a 'real' PDA data plan.....
I've got MediaNet now. Looks like it would take roughly 15 months at saving $20 bucks a month to break even on a $599 Tilt. Of course some people on this forum seem to upgrade to a new phone every 4 months, so it might not work for everybody. I assume MediaNet would give you all the access the PDA plan will give you?

[warwickwebb]

I've got MediaNet now. Looks like it would take roughly 15 months at saving $20 bucks a month to break even on a $599 Tilt. Of course some people on this forum seem to upgrade to a new phone every 4 months, so it might not work for everybody. I assume MediaNet would give you all the access the PDA plan will give you?

In my experience over the last year or so with my 8125, yes it will. I receive push e-mail/calendar/contact updates from an Exchange server, and surf the Web every day with the Medianet plan.

My only question is 3G - I assume Medianet will give you unlimited 3G data access?

[RacerX10]

I've been googling my ass off on this stuff and apparently, the only thing you CAN'T do on media net plan is PPTP VPN. IPsec still works.


DLD

[URPREY]

I've been googling my ass off on this stuff and apparently, the only thing you CAN'T do on media net plan is PPTP VPN. IPsec still works.


DLD
I have issues downloading certain podcasts through MEdiaNet whereas MyISP works fine. I have a tethering plan though so I'm able to use isp.cingular...

[Park City]

I've been googling my ass off on this stuff and apparently, the only thing you CAN'T do on media net plan is PPTP VPN. IPsec still works.


DLD


The IP address your device is leased when using WAP is a NATted addresss (10.x.x.x) and the IP address when using ISP is not (166.129.x.x)

[DJayRage]

Can anyone tell me if Cingular/AT&T's network is faster than T-Mobile's? If so how much & is it worth it based on the fact that I'd be switching from a $20 (T-Mob) to a $45 (AT&T) monthly data plan. My contract is just about up with T-mobile so I wouldn't mind switching.
I know a lot of you guys say you shouldn't switch carriers just for hardware, but all I really use my PDA for is data (Emails, Texts & mobile web). So going from my MDA to a Kaiser/Tilt is worth switching carriers IMO.
Finally is it possible to remove all of the junk apps that AT&T has on an OEM Tilt? I use Tom Tom, Wisbar, Opera & SBSH weather. Besides that I don't need or want any of the other junk AT&T bundles with the tilt...

Thanks for your help guys & gals.

[willieb9000]

The IP address your device is leased when using WAP is a NATted addresss (10.x.x.x) and the IP address when using ISP is not (166.129.x.x)
Can you elaborate a little on the significance of this difference, please? Thanks.

[evolution_theory]

Can you elaborate a little on the significance of this difference, please? Thanks.

Network Address Translation. This means your phone on Media net REALLY has an ip of "10.x.x.x" or "192.168.1.1" or whatever internal address ATT has setup. COMPARED TO an external IP address of 168.x.x.x or 172.x.x.x.

The difference here is no one can connect to an INTERNAL address from the outside. From outside a network you have to connect to the EXTERNAL address.

The NAT part comes in like this.
ATT has an external address of whatever "168.x.x.x". If something is trying to get to your phone it hits that generic external address and is then TRANSLATED into your phone's REAL IP address of "10.x.x.x". Because the traffic hits ATT's address before it hits your phone's address ATT can choose what it wants to filter and allow you to receive. No one can communicate directly to your phones WAN modem without going through ATT without some major hacking/investigating.

Um.. I think that's it. :D

[URPREY]

Can anyone tell me if Cingular/AT&T's network is faster than T-Mobile's?
T-Mobile doesn't have 3G yet, so in the areas where AT&T has 3G, it's considerably faster. In EDGE areas it should be comparable.

Once you've used 3G anything less is substandard.

[TimSykes]

yeah, but make sure that they have 3G in your area. They dont have it here in buffalo yet, but I have seen it will be by the end of the year.

[Raven_coda]

Cnet review, just another confermation of Oct 5th

http://reviews.cnet.com/smart-phones/at-t-tilt/4505-6452_7-32638455.html?tag=nl.e404

[YodaJM]

I've got MediaNet now. Looks like it would take roughly 15 months at saving $20 bucks a month to break even on a $599 Tilt. Of course some people on this forum seem to upgrade to a new phone every 4 months, so it might not work for everybody. I assume MediaNet would give you all the access the PDA plan will give you?

You can still get the $399 price for a 2 year contract. You just get a $100 MIR if you get unlimited pda data too. You can keep MediaMax or switch to pda unlimited until you get the rebate and then switch back to MediaMax.

Fortunately for me, I plan on using the upgrade on my secondary account, so the MediaMax plan will be on my super old Nokia phone they think I still have. Not sure if I'll even bother with the pda data rebate. Depends on the pricing from the premier site.

[Bratag]

You can still get the $399 price for a 2 year contract. You just get a $100 MIR if you get unlimited pda data too. You can keep MediaMax or switch to pda unlimited until you get the rebate and then switch back to MediaMax.

Fortunately for me, I plan on using the upgrade on my secondary account, so the MediaMax plan will be on my super old Nokia phone they think I still have. Not sure if I'll even bother with the pda data rebate. Depends on the pricing from the premier site.

AT&T are getting wise to that and cutting people off from media max who have PDA phones. Article was posted on boygenius and engadget just recently about that.
AT&T's data plans are rediculously high. I get unlimited (ok edge only) from Tmobile for 19 bucks. That includes all the hotspots. 3G is great I agree but really for most things edge is fine I get 145KBPs unless I am trying to dl a HUGE amount of data I have no problem. Lets me stream at 65KBPs AAC and thats really all I need.

[motegi]

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/10/04/hands-on-with-the-atandt-tilt/