wm6 4 Magician it is not a dream

[kingt0t]

sorry for my bad english

i am a prof C++ programer


i know it sounds crazy but with the computer and programing there is no crazy


i just want a perfect rom for the Magician

why we are looking to the wm6 we want any good rom
we got the program

windows mobile 2003 rom editor
we got the rom on club i-mate
we got the cab of all good and great programs
we got one silly prob.


the passcode to edit the rom file
if i get it
give me 30 day to lunch the perfect rom
i think with the united we can make the WM Magician
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

the russin gays did it and they give us the txx rom right i think we can do it too

[lamandrion]

So, if i understand you correct your plan is to create a wm6 rom for the magician, right? This would be really cool...


P.S.

the russin gays did it and they give us the txx rom right i think we can do it too

i think you mean "guys" when you say "gays" :D


good luck with your project!

[Keeper]

Kingt0t, what you want to do ain't something that hasn't been thought before...yes, you can do a WM6 for magician (hell, you can invent a new OS if you wish...lol) The thing is...time.

There's no drivers for the magician hardware built inside any WM6 ROM...(well, not entirely true - there's probable a few WM 5/6 ROMs which might have a few drivers for our hardware - but not all that are required so to make a workable magician ROM).

You probably would need to create drivers for all missing/required magician hardware...oh and above all...you probably would need to create a special/new bootloader because it seems to me that since WM5, the bootloader has changed it's way of loading the Windows Mobile OSes... (They use what is now called IPL/SPL...)

I'm not trying to discourage you...it's just that we (xda community) have heard about so many people with the same thoughts, giving up after realizing the enormous amount of work that would be required so to build a working wm6 magician ROM :P

Anyway, if you're really into it, then start by studying what hardware the magician has and how it works...

I can give you a few ideias right now:

- The CPU (PXA272) uses what is called a strataflash (It is glued to the cpu), which i believe there's not many models with this concept(if any). Most of them uses what is called DOC (Disk On Chip).
(if this ain't true, please someone correct me if i'm wrong)

- IDK if there's a driver for this CPU model in any other PPC with WM5/WM6...

- You will probably need to disassemble alot of dlls / .sys / Etc, so to figure out the functions names; what do they do; how do they interact with the rest of the OS...etc...

- Last but not the least, you would need to strip out alot of stuff since the magician only has 64Mb ROM or you could study how HARET (for linux) works and how it allows us to boot a SD Card partition image...

oh well...start posting away if you need help...for shure some gurus in here will start dropping you ideias, concepts, tests that were already made...

Best Regards,

Keeper

P.S: honestely, if someday microsoft decides to release the source code for WM2003 (like they did for win9x and windows 2000), then maybe, just maybe, we will be able to compile a modified version with some parts of the WM 5/6/xxx...

[GnatGoSplat]

Maybe this is a good start, at least for WM5?

Ubiquio 401 (http://www.ubiquio.com/product_401.html) has the same PXA272 CPU and 64MB ROM as the Magician, but it comes with WM5. Perhaps the IPL/SPL and CPU drivers that come with the FW will make less work for some smart person to make a custom Magician ROM.

Here is the Ubiquio 401 ROM, maybe somebody can extract some useful stuff from it:
ubiquio-401-v1.12.26.rar (http://i.expansys.com/i/drv/ubiquio-401-v1.12.26.rar)

I think it's also the same as the Gigabyte g-Smart i (http://www.gigabytecm.com/eng/gbc_supportdetail.aspx?sid=17&tabIndex=3). g-Smart i uses WM5 AKU2. I don't know which AKU the Ubiquio uses.

[Keeper]

Gnat,

There's one big issue in all this... When someone wants to seriously mess around with an operating system and it's "BIOS" (aka booloader) having direct access to the hardware is a must. Since we don't know the JTAG test point pins for the magician and knowing that no one is willing to trash their magician so that we can find out where they are located on the magician's PCB, (which would allow us to test various bootloaders + roms, without the risk of loosing our magicians), i doubt that anyone in here is willing to do blind tests with different model ROMs / Cooked roms, without some sort of backup like this one.

Check the last pages of this thread so to see what i'm talking about...(hell, check all this thread so to see what can happen when you flash something and there's a problem with it or along the installation of it...) : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=319354

So, if you're willing to do this ( http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=WallabyJTAG )...or know someone that is, then we might be able to start doing something... :-|

If we had JTAG access, we could start using the Windows CE 5.0 Evaluation Kit which would allow us to communicate directly to the hardware via JTAG and test cooked bootloaders and ROMs. (check this link for more info: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa447041.aspx )

Keeper

[generalriden]

hope this dream come true....WM6 or just WM5 for IMATE JAM

[generalriden]

sorry for my bad english

i am a prof C++ programer


i know it sounds crazy but with the computer and programing there is no crazy


i just want a perfect rom for the Magician

why we are looking to the wm6 we want any good rom
we got the program

windows mobile 2003 rom editor
we got the rom on club i-mate
we got the cab of all good and great programs
we got one silly prob.


the passcode to edit the rom file
if i get it
give me 30 day to lunch the perfect rom
i think with the united we can make the WM Magician
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

the russin gays did it and they give us the txx rom right i think we can do it too

if you do this, many will make a donation for your hard work...a NEW WM5 or WM6 ROM FOR the MAGICIAN.

[GnatGoSplat]

Wow, that's a lot of work to find JTAG points. I have even more respect for people like Helmi if he had to find JTAG points for every device he has made a WM5 and WM6 for!

I don't think I will be finding the JTAG points on my Magician - I don't want to kill it! However, if anyone has a dead, fried or water damaged Magician, I will gladly pull the BGA off and trace the JTAG points.

If the JTAG points have a specific "signature" when viewed on an oscilloscope, I would be happy to trace them that way since I do have a 100MHz DSO available.

[GCCP]

i hope too, this dream to ours magician :D :D :D

[Keeper]

Oh btw...the taxist russian guy which released the 2.01~3TX rom did NOT made a WM6 for the magician - He simply opened up a magician ROM, changed a few icons, sounds, apps and packed it again...the Operating system still is WM2003se.

if you guys want to try and mod your own roms, use the following tools: alpinenbfdecode.pl, splitrom.pl and dumprom. They are available at the itsme website. ( http://www.xs4all.nl/~itsme/projects/xda/ )

Anyway, check this thread...there's a small script on how to re-create the XIP structure: http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=3924&st=1020#entry744997

Once again, this ain't gonna change your OS (there's no WM5/6 IPL/SPL for the magician) - it will only allow you to mod a few things... :-(

Keeper

[sakoeun]

It very fantastic for your effort. thanks.

[generalriden]

are you still there kingT0T?

[kingt0t]

ok guys hold on you are not making it easy i think it is mush simpler then you think

we need wm6 for jam

we dont have to edit wm6 to make it work on jam

we can upgrade the wm2003se to be wm6\5


we can find upgrads and some great programs to creat a wm2003se rom "main platform" looks like the wm6 and include some services in it like the voice command and renew the dailer and add some upgrades i think this is mush better coz we will not play with fire we can just try to make the perfect choise in 2003 rom with some upgrades and patches right

[Keeper]

okey kingt0t...so what you want to do is something like taxist did...a modded ROM with a WM2k3 kernel core...

Well, one thing that i would suggest that you could start doing, would be a new bluetooth stack based on the WM 2k5/2k6 one (widcomm, i think)...

Anyway, idk russian and has so, i don't understand much of what is said on that link, but what i did understand is that taxist found a way of modifying the programs in a way that he could insert them has XIP (eXecution In Place), without breaking the expected original execution addresses...the thing is: he never revealed how he has done it...

There's a few guys in there that are trying to do what he has done by using the three tools that i've posted previously, but idk if they did acomplished the "XIP chain ROM address redirectioning"...

Regards,

Keeper

[hendrixus]

ok guys hold on you are not making it easy i think it is mush simpler then you think

we need wm6 for jam

we dont have to edit wm6 to make it work on jam

we can upgrade the wm2003se to be wm6\5




First prioduce a WM5.0 ROM instead of talking! :D

[josefreita]

Yés kingtot wm6 4 Magician it is not a dream,it is a mirage...

[GnatGoSplat]

we can find upgrads and some great programs to creat a wm2003se rom "main platform" looks like the wm6 and include some services in it like the voice command and renew the dailer and add some upgrades i think this is mush better coz we will not play with fire we can just try to make the perfect choise in 2003 rom with some upgrades and patches right

I'm not sure I understand. You want a WM2003SE that only looks like WM5/WM6? But then it can't run WM5/WM6-specific apps... what purpose is that? I hardly see the point. If that's what you want, it already exists and besides, you can just use Wisbar or something similar and make a theme.

[Airpil]

WM2003SuperSe must run wm5 apps. it's main task !!!!

[mpx2003]

what's going on?

[mo3ulla]

wm6 again became dream

[hendrixus]

wm6 again became dream

He'd better think about WM5 first, euhmm dream about it :D

[mo3ulla]

what a difference? ? ? in figure more .... but the meaning is the same

[superdave643]

First prioduce a WM5.0 ROM instead of talking! :D
Haha, I agree. Actions (or here a working, downloadable cook of WM5 or -6 (in English, please :o ) speak louder than words.

I too would chip in some monetary support for the person who makes it happen.

[arxaios]

well any news?is there a hope to see our magician with wm5 or 6

[hendrixus]

well any news?is there a hope to see our magician with wm5 or 6

NO! there isn't any hope. Forget it!

[Keeper]

Hey hendrixus, you shouldn't say it that way...it's has if you were telling to a cancer patient: "No! you are going to DIE! there's no HOPE! period!"


There's always hope.


So to be able to use WM5 on magicians (and who knows, even wm6 later on), the first step would be to build a way of having direct hardware access, which means that SOMEONE would have to donate one magician (dead or not), so that we could do this: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=WallabyJTAG

Reason: WM5 and WM6 uses a different way of boot loading windows mobile, NOT compatible with wm2k3 bootloader. It would be necessary to create/mod/ one wm5/6 bootloader and test it on the magician's hardware.

(If you want to know, i've been trying for the past 2-3 weeks, so to get one damaged qtek s100~s110 but it seems that noone is willing to sell me one, cheap, and i'm not into paying alot of cash for something that is damaged...)

Keeper

[hendrixus]

Hey hendrixus, you shouldn't say it that way...it's has if you were telling to a cancer patient: "No! you are going to DIE! there's no HOPE! period!"


There's always hope.




Cancer is something totally different then this, man! I have cancer myself so I know what I am talking about.

In this case, WM5/6 for the Magician and adapts there isn't any hope. Read the forum and you will know why.

Somebody once wrote "Useless threads requesting it have gone long enough on this section of XDA-developers to warrant it." and I do agree, here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=240960)
So forget about it and go on with your life. If you can't buy a new device.

But if YOU want to live up to a dream, be my guest. I rather stick to reality ;)

[Keeper]

hendrixus, i don't need to read any more forum threads about "how there isn't a wm2k5" and so on. I've been here for the past 2 (almost 3 years) and although i haven't posted much, i've been reading alot. Anyway this is a hobby to me. I certainly wouldn't be has much interested in all this magician subject if i had the latest top noch pda, since it probably would support everything (what doesn't the TyTN II supports?).

Anyway, what teases me is studying/making/acomplish something that was supposed to be impossible to do. I'm not expecting to be able to make a wm2k5 for the magician, but at least i would like to open a few doors for those who would like to do more.

I know the path that will be needed to take so to have a working wm2k5:

Quote from Buzz:


...you guys have to understand, that wm5 rom structure is totally different than wm2003.

For Himalaya, there was so called IPL and ROM image as two separate files, which you then put together.

you are missing IPL for magician, I guess.


What is needed to be done is a bootloader for the magician. With JTAG you can (at least) try different bootloaders from different models. If one works, we are half way so to get a working wm2k5. If none works, alot of disassemble will prolly be required and/or someone will have to build a bootloader with the help of windows ce 5.0 kit (this is the worst scenario -> how to is in here: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa447041.aspx )

anyway, 1st step: jtag, has i've already explained.

Keeper

[hendrixus]

I must say I wish you all the best in creating.

I like my Magician as it is now. I have several devices running WM5 or WM6.0 Stiil I am using the Magician as cellphone, GPS, wifi, ad2p, with the Taxist 2.03WWE ROM (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=322110):D
Second best is my upgraded (to WM6) BA

[GnatGoSplat]

Yeah, I have many devices, but the Magician is one of my favorites because it's much thinner than the Wizard and Apache (I don't really need the slide-out keyboard), a nice clean shape and design, nice feel because it's made of metal, and it has a much faster CPU.

[hersh25]

Meracle!!! do you? thats will be great. but i think we are all need a cooparation to invent new thing.

[ESmazter]

As the sticky says:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=240960
There is no WM5 or 6 for us!

[ESmazter]

Okay, so if everyone wants a WM6 rom, we should collect some information.

First of: Whats the problem by flashing just another rom? I think its because it has a different CPU and also different chipsets and drivers built in. Is this right? 2nd: Is the Ram enough? I think it is because the ASUS P526 has also 64 MB Ram.

The CPU: HTC Himalaya has the same CPU as our Magician.

So what do you else know about the hardware of the Magician? What graphic and soundchipset does it use. And what about all the other chips. We could cook our own rom if the first part is right.


BTW: If you brick your Magician, can you still flash it again?

[GnatGoSplat]

The RAM and ROM are enough. I think the problem is no WM5 was ever leaked for Magician. Drivers aren't as big of a deal, it's the device-specific files in the XIP that are a problem, as well as the SPL/IPL. You need a compatible SPL/IPL which contains the bootloader and handheld equivelant of system bios. It's possible some other device's SPL/IPL will work, but all it takes is one flash that doesn't work to brick the phone permanently. That's why someone needs to figure out JTAG points in order to unbrick a bricked phone because experimenting with SPL/IPL is almost guaranteed to brick it.

[hersh25]

Guys we should lookfor new generation of magician phones. i have a questuon is MDA COMPACT II magician or not if it is a magician so be happy, we can also gain magician because the current system of MDA II is a windows mobile 5.0

[GnatGoSplat]

MDA COMPACT II is a Charmer, not a Magician.

[hendrixus]

Guys we should lookfor new generation of magician phones. i have a questuon is MDA COMPACT II magician or not if it is a magician so be happy, we can also gain magician because the current system of MDA II is a windows mobile 5.0

Why another useless new thread here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=341860)?

[Keeper]

Okey, let me give you guys (once again) a small explanation about all this:



1st:

So to have a Windows Mobile 2005 or 2006 you NEED a bootloader compatible with this "new" operating systems because wm2k5 / 2k6 devices, have a different way of loading the ROM images (aka NK.nbf aka Operating System), which AIN'T COMPATIBLE WITH MAGICIAN'S WM2K3 BOOTLOADER.

(I hope that putting in uppercase and bold is enough for you to understand the reason why NO WM2k5/2k6 will ever work by just upgrading to them without a wm2k5/wm2k6 bootloader.)




2nd:

The "new" way of bootloading uses what is called IPL/SPL ( Initial program load / Secondary Program Load ) which is completely different from the magician's bootloader, hence we would need a new crafted bootloader (aka ipl/spl) for our magician.

if in doubt, check this FAQ for some concepts and additional explanations: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=FAQ




3rd:

To install a wm2005/wm2006 magician's compatible ipl/spl, we would need a ipl/spl with the exact same hardware, which i think, doesn't exist (*). It's not just a question of having the same cpu and the same memory flash module - it would need to have the same UART controller IC,etc,etc...
(We would want to initialize the USB so to have console access, wouldn't we? Plus alot more stuff that i can't think atm).




4th:

So to install a new (or test an existing) ipl/spl on the Magician, we would need JTAG access which we don't have...(**)



Regards,


Keeper


(*) Side note for hersh25: yes, charmer has the same cpu but i think that it doesn't use the same memory chip ...our magician uses what is called a strataflash (it's glue on top of the cpu and communicates to it directely), and most pdas use what is called a DOC (Disk On Chip) - a separate flash IC, soldered on the board and not on top of the CPU as in our magician's. Even if the chamer had a strataflash (which idk), probably that pda flash IC would need to be the same model since the way of accessing the flash ICs changes from model to model (different pinout, different signaling, different asm code), though, it seems that is a good bootloader candidate so to test out on our magicians.

(**) Has a side note, i do have right now a spare (damaged) magician which i will use so to figure out the jtag test pads and which will allow us to, at least, repair a failed ROM flash and also test new bootloaders...i'll make a new thread regarding this JTAG issue, when ready.

[mariner_heart]

its easy to say for the people who don't have this much knowledge about the real stuff going inside the device.

[quangduc_ta]

Okey, let me give you guys (once again) a small explanation about all this:



1st:

So to have a Windows Mobile 2005 or 2006 you NEED a bootloader compatible with this "new" operating systems because wm2k5 / 2k6 devices, have a different way of loading the ROM images (aka NK.nbf aka Operating System), which AIN'T COMPATIBLE WITH MAGICIAN'S WM2K3 BOOTLOADER.

(I hope that putting in uppercase and bold is enough for you to understand the reason why NO WM2k5/2k6 will ever work by just upgrading to them without a wm2k5/wm2k6 bootloader.)




2nd:

The "new" way of bootloading uses what is called IPL/SPL ( Initial program load / Secondary Program Load ) which is completely different from the magician's bootloader, hence we would need a new crafted bootloader (aka ipl/spl) for our magician.

if in doubt, check this FAQ for some concepts and additional explanations: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=FAQ




3rd:

To install a wm2005/wm2006 magician's compatible ipl/spl, we would need a ipl/spl with the exact same hardware, which i think, doesn't exist (*). It's not just a question of having the same cpu and the same memory flash module - it would need to have the same UART controller IC,etc,etc...
(We would want to initialize the USB so to have console access, wouldn't we? Plus alot more stuff that i can't think atm).




4th:

So to install a new (or test an existing) ipl/spl on the Magician, we would need JTAG access which we don't have...(**)



Regards,


Keeper


(*) Side note for hersh25: yes, charmer has the same cpu but i think that it doesn't use the same memory chip ...our magician uses what is called a strataflash (it's glue on top of the cpu and communicates to it directely), and most pdas use what is called a DOC (Disk On Chip) - a separate flash IC, soldered on the board and not on top of the CPU as in our magician's. Even if the chamer had a strataflash (which idk), probably that pda flash IC would need to be the same model since the way of accessing the flash ICs changes from model to model (different pinout, different signaling, different asm code), though, it seems that is a good bootloader candidate so to test out on our magicians.

(**) Has a side note, i do have right now a spare (damaged) magician which i will use so to figure out the jtag test pads and which will allow us to, at least, repair a failed ROM flash and also test new bootloaders...i'll make a new thread regarding this JTAG issue, when ready.

I'm always check this thread, it's not mean I need WM5-6 for my Magician because I knew that not possible, but I just want to know deeply, why it can not be.
So, many thanks Keeper:cool:

[helterskelter]

Screw WM6 on the Magician. Buy a fucking Touch you tight bastards! :-D

[GnatGoSplat]

Touch is around $400 on eBay! For that kind of money I would seriously consider iPhone instead (its GUI is so pretty, lol).

[Vukile]

Last year I was looking for a WM5 ROM for the Jam on this forum.Then I woke up and bought a new handset.Aah, to be young and foolish...

[hussein_erol]

i have a dream! :D never say never :o

[hendrixus]

i have a dream! :D never say never :o

You cannot always live in a dream :D

[kundan]

hey guys, cant we get rom of HTC touch frm somwhere and flash it to magician???

[GCCP]

nop, hardware it's different..

but, maybe we can install touchflo :) who knows :D

[xdaking]

I can see a new magician Touch Flo ROM is coming very soon with a brand new boot-loader and ipl/spl. i will donate $50 witout asking no questions once the new rom is out.

good luck and happy ending for all the magician owners.

[xdaking]

Screw WM6 on the Magician. Buy a fucking Touch you tight bastards! :-D

I passed the message to my mate. thanks :D

[ksp3r]

I wud also pay for the touch flo rom!:D N im sure alot others would pay!!!

[iRiKi]

You cannot always live in a dream :D

rofl so true m8 ^^

[tangwd898]

just wonder how's going with the project?
:)

[hendrixus]

just wonder how's going with the project?
:)

What project? The dream? :D

[helterskelter]

just wonder how's going with the project?
:)

He gave it up and bought a Touch instead

[iRiKi]

or a better phone, like the X800 !

[hendrixus]

He gave it up and bought a Touch instead

No an E-ten X500 and I never shared your dream! I am a realist:D

[llaguna]

Instead of negleting hiz dreams... u guys should give him strength to continue... it is not impossible.... hard indeed but not impossible.

[GnatGoSplat]

First step is finding JTAG pads. If someone sends me a broken Magician, I can at least get past the first step. Doesn't matter if it's been dropped, stepped on, been in water, ran over by a bus... if there is a circuit board still remaining, I can find the JTAG pads. Once a phone is made JTAG capable, it'll be possible to experiment with different bootloaders without fear of irreversibly bricking the device.

[Keeper]

GnatGoSplat,

How are you going to figure out the JTAG test pads without the motherboard layout?


Oh well...let me post a private msg that i've given to a person that was asking me the same (i bought a spare magician just for the purpose of figuring out the JTAG):



Originally Posted by Keeper
Greetings *******!

Thank you for your generous offer but the thing is...

i've talked with a few people and they all said to me that it will be almost impossible to pinpoint the jtag pads on the board because of this:

Assuming that you've got the cpu pins layout (which i have) but not the pcb layout (which is also true...i don't have the pcb layout schematic), you will need to do a manual trace on the tracks so to figure the TDO TDI, nRESET, TMS, TCK, VCC, GND testpoints...

now, assuming that you will do a continuity test with your multimeter (*), putting one pole on the (let's say TDO) cpu location pad, you'll start putting the other pole on various places so to check if you get a continuity...from what i've been told, you will get alot of continuity points and you won't be able to know which one is the right one since you don't know if the TDO pad should be located, has an example, after or before a resistor/cap/whatever...

I think that you can't just solder a wire in the middle of a track that has continuity and say: this is my TDO!!! (there's more into it so i've understood from a few remarks that some guys said...but they might be wrong...)

The only two ways that i know that will garantee that we will get jtag are:

1st: grab the pcb layout (which i can't figure out where to start since after googling for the numbers located on the pcb, i've found zero, nada, rien, nothing :-( )

2nd: buy a boundary scan tool for this cpu (too expansive for me and honestely idk if it would even worth it)


Oh well...if you have any ideias, shoot..!

Regards,

Keeper

(*) the multimeter beeps when there's a track connection between your two multimeter poles test points


So, if you know a little bit more about on how to solve this issue, please post or pm me!



Regards,


Keeper :)

[GnatGoSplat]

If you had a motherboard layout, then you wouldn't need a dead unit at all.
I'm just assuming there is no way to get a motherboard PCB layout or service manual showing JTAG locations.

You would need to pull the CPU, a heat gun would work nicely. Then you could use an ohmmeter to test for continuity between the JTAG pins corresponding to the ones on the CPU to any point on the motherboard with continuity. I would check the test points first. Yes, you can pretty much find any spot with 0-ohm continuity and say that's your TDO for example. If you are on the wrong end of a capacitor, you won't have continuity. If you are on the wrong end of a resistor, diode, etc. it won't be 0-ohms. Sometimes there are 0-ohm jumpers that look like resistors, but you can be on either end of those, it doesn't matter.

[malhaar]

what is the need of jtag spots, i am ready to brick my magician..if some budy makes ipl/spl for magician, and post me for testing.. i will test it on my magician and i willl let every one know...as the main problem is wm5/6 apps, i have succeded to install and use apps..on my magician

[Prerna]

I must say I wish you all the best in creating.

I like my Magician as it is now. I have several devices running WM5 or WM6.0 Stiil I am using the Magician as cellphone, GPS, wifi, ad2p, with the Taxist 2.03WWE ROM (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=322110):D
Second best is my upgraded (to WM6) BA

Hi, could you tell how you got wifi? Is it with the help of a SD wifi adapter?

Rest, people used to say it would be impossible to create a WM6 for the Typhoon; yet it was eventually released. I'm not sure though if these can be compared...

[ksp3r]

Malhaar how do you install wm5/6 apps on the magician???

[azhar63]

pls explain dear brothers how to update this app ubiquio-401-v1.12.26 thanks in advance

[xmoo]

I recently bought a TyTN II but I still love my Jam.

Oldsk00l is c00l.

N3wsk00l sucks!

:)

[hubie53]

I installed FunContact from Vito on my (former :D ) MDA Compact I. Scrolling by Fingerttouch works fine there. I think this proves that Touch Flo (or similar conception) is possible on the Magician!!!!! I look forward to many other programs using this technique, and I will surely keep my old Magician, because with the new ROM 2.03 TX it runs so much faster than any other WM5/6 device with that horrible TI OMAP Chips in it!!

[shirreer]

Gnat,

There's one big issue in all this... When someone wants to seriously mess around with an operating system and it's "BIOS" (aka booloader) having direct access to the hardware is a must. Since we don't know the JTAG test point pins for the magician and knowing that no one is willing to trash their magician so that we can find out where they are located on the magician's PCB, (which would allow us to test various bootloaders + roms, without the risk of loosing our magicians), i doubt that anyone in here is willing to do blind tests with different model ROMs / Cooked roms, without some sort of backup like this one.

Check the last pages of this thread so to see what i'm talking about...(hell, check all this thread so to see what can happen when you flash something and there's a problem with it or along the installation of it...) : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=319354

So, if you're willing to do this ( http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=WallabyJTAG )...or know someone that is, then we might be able to start doing something... :-|

If we had JTAG access, we could start using the Windows CE 5.0 Evaluation Kit which would allow us to communicate directly to the hardware via JTAG and test cooked bootloaders and ROMs. (check this link for more info: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa447041.aspx )

Keeper
Keeper <---- I must protest brother, you ARE silly. I swear to God, man, you're so full of sh!t I could smell your post all the way up in WIKI, sir - its like you're made of it or something!!! WHAT??? ---> ? "flashstrata" ? JTAGs? BIOS (aka "bootloader")?? WHAT??

Brother, "we are they, them, and us", the simpletons who installed and ran Windows 95 on a VHS video tape, the dummies who assembled PCs from scratch to boot BLINDFOLDED for 10 bucks/day then went home and slept only to have nightmares about mutant system hooks...and ravenous, yellow-teethed HALs!! How did you end up here in this HOLY forum, boy?

We needn't read your pretentious feats and pedantic fallacies. People could install & run WM6 on a disposable tablespoon if they can get their hands on the driver. If you're such a lame hack, PLEASE, I beseech you, do NOT waste our time. While deliberating on how you merited my attention, wonder more: how did we make it from windows 95 through to VISTA on the same old raggedy hardware without EVER having to handwrite a partition table (!aka "bootloader"!)? did we test our boards' ICs for radioactivity or wrote code on G Clef after listening to the hexidecimal songs humming from beneath our beds??

GET SERIOUS

[avi0111]

Hey Malhaar cn u plz tell hw do use wm5/wm6 apps.....................

[Keeper]

Dear shirreer,

I'm no expert, but i do know a couple of things about this subject. Anyway, i thought on writing a full explanation filled with swear words dedicated just to you, but since i'm not willing to reach your own yard of ...... , i'll say this:

"flashstrata" ? JTAGs? BIOS (aka "bootloader")?? WHAT??

read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booting)
...and this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embedded_system

How did you end up here in this HOLY forum, boy?

It's not boy. To you it's Sir.

People could install & run WM6 on a disposable tablespoon if they can get their hands on the driver.

Driver ?!?! WHAT are you talking about, young man ?

do NOT waste our time.

'our time'...uh...you probably meant your own time, right?, since i assume that you're not pretentious neither pedantic nor arrogant, to assume that you have the right to speak for everyone in here.

how did we make it from windows 95 through to VISTA on the same old raggedy hardware without EVER having to handwrite a partition table (!aka "bootloader"!)?

partition table == bootloader? - you're really lost, young man.

Google is our friend. Go learn and then come back when you have reached it. If you can't, silentely move away to some other forum, like...gardening (*) or something.



I'll rest my case.


Cheers to all :cool:

Keeper

(*) To all gardeners out there: Please don't take offense but you must agree with me - Gardening is way easier then this :p

[Cristian.Ene]

Is the WM6 done yet? is it out for testing? ... i am happy like a kid with a new toy :)))

[arif388]

we are never getting a wm6 for jam isnt it...

[avi0111]

what is the need of jtag spots, i am ready to brick my magician..if some budy makes ipl/spl for magician, and post me for testing.. i will test it on my magician and i willl let every one know...as the main problem is wm5/6 apps, i have succeded to install and use apps..on my magician

hw do you use wm5/6 apps on magician...plz help

[mariner_heart]

good ol' magician is almost dead now.
but i still love it

[new_ppc_user]

good ol' magician is almost dead now.
but i still love it

almost dead? you gotta be kidding me !

[moshinho]

No news about it?

[metalbug]

thanks man!
we need this.:p

[tangwd898]

so how's going with the project?

[excogitation]

http://www.dontfeedthetroll.de/