GPS - turn off static navigation

[Termiter]

Is it possible turn off static navigation in GPS in Kaiser?
It is important for walk navigation and necessary for geocaching.

[pt_t830]

Hello,

I suppose that you can do it with this

http://w5.nuinternet.com/s660100031/SirfTech.htm

pt_t830

[patr!k]

no, you cant.. this works with sirf chip only
in this time, you can't turn it off...

[murf62]

Is there really no way to turn off static nav on the Kaiser? I've upgraded from a Mio a701 which was great for geocaching, but this is just no good unless I can disable static nav. :(

What chipset is the GPS? I assume it's not Sirf III then?

[murf62]

I see it's a Qualcomm chipset and it doesn't look like it can be turned off. How stupid, makes the GPS useless for geocaching.

[khaytsus]

I'm really disappointed by the chipset in the Kaiser too, from what I've heard. I don't have mine in hand yet, but I've been doing lots of reading on it the last week while I build a list of Palm->WM programs for migration from my long time platform. At least until Palm gets off their ass. :)

I already have a Holux 236, I suspect what I'll do is use the Kaiser GPS for navigation and the Holux for geocaching. I'll see how that works out.

[Nghiem]

Little surprise that you jump the ship, khaytsus. :)

Not only poorer performance Qualcomm GPS chipset vs. SIRF III chipset, but also you will miss some of great palm applications e.g takephone, callrec, and ptunes.

[murf62]

I'm not too bothered about the 3d performance a lot of other people complain about, but being able to disable static nav is something that should not have been overlooked. It would have swayed me from buying a Kaiser in the first place, even though it's pretty much perfect for what I want apart from this issue.

[Geinponem]

(This message has been translated as Google Translate)

I had the TyTN II (Kaiser) in the main purchased for geocaching. I am very disappointed now appears that static navigation can not be disabled.
I hope that HTC soon gives a solution.

[Madnessx9]

I have to ask what does this Static Navigation do? and what benifit would you have from turning it off?

[murf62]

When you are not moving (or moving slowly) it stops updating your GPS position. This stops apps like tomtom spinning the map round when youre at traffic lights, but if you need to find a precise point on foot as in Geocaching, it makes it very difficult becuse you have to keep walking fairly quickly for the direction arrow to show.

[tonychen]

Is it possible turn off static navigation in GPS in Kaiser?
It is important for walk navigation and necessary for geocaching.

It seems fine to me, Kaiser can detect slow walking speed quite accurately such as 1 or 2 mph. If you walk slower than 1mph, it can't tell.

For the SirfIII chip device with SN on (my ETEN M700), it ignores any speed under 3mph and keep you at the same position. With SN off then you are looking at another problem, your position jumps around even when you stand still.

[murf62]

I assume you have never tried geocaching, otherwise you would see the problem. You often need to stand still and let the gps average your position to determine exactly how far away you are. Before anyone chimes in saying it is only accurate to ~10m anyway, my Mio a701 would get me to within 2-3m every time.

When you place a geocache, you need to have your coords spot on. The only way to do this is to leave the gps averaging for a while. I use GPS Tuner for this, but it is useless on the Kaiser.

"Position jumping around" is what you need for on foot accurate GPS nav, but not good for tomtom etc. All I want is the option to choose for myself, which unlike Sirf III, is currently not available for this crappy Qualcomm GPS.

[Geinponem]

What is static navigation: click here (http://www.gpstuner.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4156&sid=8381e795aa3f043ec6bb5a26c3a1b0e9)

What I tried to turn static navigation of without any result (but it works on other divices with the same gps-chipset: SiRFstar III):

SiRFTech (http://w5.nuinternet.com/s660100031/SirfTech.htm)
SiRFDemo (http://www.evermore.pl/ftp/oprogramowanie/SiRF%20Program/)
MMSirf setup (direct download) (http://ronenbianca.geocacher.nl/downloads/MMSirfSetup.exe)

So I hope there follows also a solution for the Kaiser!

[snooginsguy]

There is one solution...get a bluetooth GPS receiver with a SIRFIII chip. Not ideal, I agree, but for the most part I use the bluetooth GPS for geocaching and hiking both because it can turn off SN and because it's just a much more accurate chip in general. The internal works ok for hiking, but is more ideally suited for driving applications.

@Geinponem: it doesn't have a SirfStar III gps chipset. That is part of the problem.

[Geinponem]

@Geinponem: it doesn't have a SirfStar III gps chipset. That is part of the problem.

See here (http://www.pda-wereld.nl/shop/images/Product%20omschrijvingen/HTC%20TyTN%20II.jpg) the specifications of MY TyTN II (this is the site where I bought the divice). Sorry its a Dutch site.

Here (http://www.pocketinfo.nl/koopgids/pocket-pc-phone/htc/1389/htc-tytn-ii.html) and here (http://www.pdashop.nl/product/44702/htc-p4550-tytn-ii-nl.html#specificaties) another Dutch sites.

Is the information wrong on this sites? Or is the build-in chipset not in every country the same?


BTW: where do you hold your BT-GPSr by geocaching. Can you put it in your pocket?

[kilrah]

I don't get it, on my Kaiser the GPS continues updating normally even when static, as if I leave the phone on a table the position will always change a little at each reading.

[Geinponem]

Updating of the current position is great!
The problem is that the direction of the destination by low speed is not updated. In programs like GPSTuner the destination arrow is 'frozen' then.

[kilrah]

That's totally normal. A GPS can't give you a direction (heading) when it doesn't move. If it gives you one it's just derived from the position error (even if the GPS is stationary, there will be a little position error between consecutive readings, and the direction the GPS gives will be the one between those points) so it means nothing at all.
By the way, in GPS Tuner by default there's a filter that ignores new GPS data if speed is under something like 2km/h. So even if the GPS does give info, the program discards it. You need to turn that off in the GPS options.

[californiarailroader]

Little surprise that you jump the ship, khaytsus. :)

Not only poorer performance Qualcomm GPS chipset vs. SIRF III chipset, but also you will miss some of great palm applications e.g takephone, callrec, and ptunes.

I've found the Tilt's GPS to be VERY accurate, in fact, it beats some of the stand-alone GPS units out there. I live in a very rural area, and it finds my house EXACTLY on the money, I am very impressed!

Edit-I see a lot in this thread who don't have their location or carrier in their posting info, it would help a lot if we knew that :)

[kilrah]

Yes, the GPS in the Tytn II is as good or better than my other units with Sirf III or MTK chipsets :)
Especially acquisition and reception in shaded areas/indoors is impressive!

[murf62]

I never denied it's a good GPS, it works fine, apart from the damn static nav!

Anyone who says it doesn't matter, go try find some geocaches and then come back and tell me it's not a problem.

[tdusen]

Ok, I'll tell you it's not a problem. I have nearly 500 finds using only my Tilt. I do agree that turning off Static Navigation would make it better, but it's not stopping me from finding anything.

[murf62]

How many caches have you placed using coords from your tilt? Can you tell me how you get an accurate reading?

You've done 500 caches since getting a tilt (last october?) thats some going.

[tdusen]

I simplified. I've only found about 300 since I got my Tilt the day it was released in October. Before that, I was using an HP Ipaq 6515. Still a phone with a similar static navigation problem.

I haven't placed any, but I have published updated coordinates to existing caches that were off from the listing. I've tested the repeatability of them, as I would expect a cache hider to do, and I was happy with the results.

I use Beeline from VisualGPS. It has an average waypoint function that just seems to work.

I've tried other software. GPS Tuner, Tracky & Back country navigator. I keep coming back to Beeline. I think it's the easiest to use. Now if they would only add maps.

[matthew232]

can someone help me? I have a htc touch (sorry, I know this is the kaiser section!) and until GPS is enabled by sprint, I bought a bluetooth gps receiver from buygpsnow.com. I tried geocaching the other day (a hobby I want to get into!) but experienced the "freezing issues" talked about above. I have not tried beeline but have d'led the demo to try it out. will my bluetooth unit work okay? Here is the link:

http://www.buygpsnow.com/OnCourse-Bluetooth-GPS-Receiver-Edition-3-(WAAS-enabled)_882.aspx

As you can see from the very bottom it states "This product is not compatible with SiRF Demo or any SiRF protocol GPS program." Dies this mean it absolutly will not work for geocaching?? Will beeline work for this?

Thanks inadvance for any help.

[snooginsguy]

See here (http://www.pda-wereld.nl/shop/images/Product%20omschrijvingen/HTC%20TyTN%20II.jpg) the specifications of MY TyTN II (this is the site where I bought the divice). Sorry its a Dutch site.

Here (http://www.pocketinfo.nl/koopgids/pocket-pc-phone/htc/1389/htc-tytn-ii.html) and here (http://www.pdashop.nl/product/44702/htc-p4550-tytn-ii-nl.html#specificaties) another Dutch sites.

Is the information wrong on this sites? Or is the build-in chipset not in every country the same?


BTW: where do you hold your BT-GPSr by geocaching. Can you put it in your pocket?


I would be surprised if the chipset is different for different countries. AFAIK, it's associated with the Qualcomm processor (integrated or otherwise, I'm not sure) and is not a SIRF III chip. I would suggest the websites are wrong. Check the kaiser wiki, it tells more about it.

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Kaiser#Specs


As far as the bluetooth GPS, I leave it in my backpack. It doesn't really matter where it is, as long as it can talk to satellites (i.e. no blocakge by buildings etc.) and that it can talk to the phone via bluetooth.

[murf62]

The Static Nav issue has been solved (for me at least) by using the registry fix here...

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=388576