SDHC Cards? Still none the wiser? [Archive]

ADB100

13-10-2007, 03:47 PM

I have searched on here and read the various threads on SDHC cards and I am still none the wiser :confused:

In the Wizard Accessories forum there is a 5-page thread about users experiences with what does and doesn't work - the problem is there is contradicting information. I thought I was getting somewhere with later units supporting SDHC and earlier ones not (serial numbers), however half way through the thread someone with an older Wizard says they have it working.....

Are there any difinitive answers to whether 4GB SDHC cards work in the Wizard, and if so does it need to be a G4, does it need to be manufactured after a certain date etc?

I have two Wizards (s/n: SZ602EE0xxxx and HT544EExxxx), both currently with 1GB SD cards (Danelec I think?). I am reluctant to buy any 4GB cards unless I know they are going to work.

Thanks

Andy

Huckleberry88

13-10-2007, 04:03 PM

AFAIK some WM6 ROM with build .1921 includes drivers that should support SDHC cards but since I don't have a SDHC card on hand cannot test ...

or have a look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=320159

nothin

13-10-2007, 04:10 PM

[removed] you seem to do not want to read.

ADB100

13-10-2007, 04:20 PM

http://www.mm.pl/~xoen/sdhc.rar
driver, that enabled sdhc for some devices(it wasn't obvious that it will work - but it works.), cannot test it with wiz , though.

I have already downloaded this but don't have a SDHC card to test it, and as I said I am reluctant to buy one if it won't work.......

Andy

nothin

13-10-2007, 05:22 PM

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ultraprimeomega

14-10-2007, 04:57 AM

ok to clarify this, (im going to get flame at least once for this) SDHC cards will only work with devices that have the drivers for SDHC cards. This does not have to do with the hardware but if we cant get the drivers to talk to the hardware there is no support. we have the right hardware but no drivers and if it was a hardware problem then SDHC cards would not be the same as a SD card.

And can someone test that rom (not hopping it works but it might)

nothin

14-10-2007, 05:22 PM

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imthewa1rus

14-10-2007, 06:17 PM

I've got a 4gb SDHC card sitting here, and the latest TNT release (1921 base). Obviously, it does not currently work. Let me know what I need to do to try!

calouro

14-10-2007, 06:41 PM

I've got a 4gb SDHC card sitting here, and the latest TNT release (1921 base). Obviously, it does not currently work. Let me know what I need to do to try!

The first page of theloon 7.2 ROM kitchen shows it working. I run this ROM, but I dont have a SDHC yet. I'll post there to see if anyone has had success.

ADB100

15-11-2007, 03:45 PM

I am desperately running out of SD card space and would like to now 'upgrade' to a 4GB (or bigger?) SDHC card. I would like some testemonials of users who have had sucess with SDHC cards and what Wizard version and ROM you are running.
As I said I am reluctant to just buy a SDHC card and see if it works as it will be a waste of money if it doesn't.

Andy

da_jojo

15-11-2007, 04:42 PM

count me in :)

just bought a 2gb sd card for 25€ over here but i need more space ^^

transcend (http://www.transcend.nl) sells the fastest sd mini cards as far as i tested them..

from hardware point of view the wizard device can handle this SDHC cards
as they use the same slot and hardware a usb cardreader has..

its just a matter of drivers or maybe just a registrysetting..
my guess its a combination of a new driver with enhancements for SDHC
and some registrysettings...
knowing windows they probably allready implented it in OS at least in WM6
and it be just a question of finding the right driver with the right settings..

pepcisko

15-11-2007, 05:01 PM

my 4gig sdhc is coming in early next week, then I can test..

da_jojo

15-11-2007, 05:17 PM

keep us informed on how it works please .. if it works that is ^^

theloon

15-11-2007, 06:09 PM

ADB100

15-11-2007, 06:20 PM

Read this! It is only a matter of drivers and reg settings. Someone has created a cab with appropriate drivers and reg entries for testing somewhere on the xda forum.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=f41fc7c1-f0f4-4fd6-9366-b61e0ab59565&DisplayLang=en

So you can confirm this works? That's all I want. There are LOTS of varying reports on SDHC cards working & not working. I don't want to buy one and then realise it doesn't work. It's all right posting drivers and links to MS updates but that doesn't confirm anything. I want hard evidence.....

Andy

KhMeRA

15-11-2007, 06:41 PM

[removed] you seem to do not want to read.

I tried it and it doesn't work.

da_jojo

16-11-2007, 01:17 AM

• Support for Video over IP telephony calls :)
• Support for the Pocket Outlook Object Model (POOM) and ActiveSync in the VoIP Home Screen and VoIP Contacts applications
• Secure Digital (SD) bus driver that supports SDHC specification 2.00 functionality, such as Secure Digital High-Capacity (SDHC) cards

Support for Extended File Allocation Table (ExFAT) and FAT32 on the x86 BIOS Loader, which provides access beyond 2 gigabytes (GB) of hard disk space.

this is probably the issue with ur 4gb card..
the bios of the wizard wont be able to acces beyond 2gb

but...
now that you have this 4gb card can you do us all a favor ?

here is the thing:
if u have a cardreader that reads the card on the pc just put it in the pc
otherwise put it in the wizard and start wm5torage and connect it as a
non-removable class and write enabled and start the thing and connect it to pc..
when connected goto computer and right click My Computer and choose manage.. in that window goto Disk Managment ..
in there you see this drive which is on the sd card, its shown as a drive
rightclick on the part next to it where it shows the volume on the drive
(it says Healty when correct and the driveletter it got assigned)
choose delete partition
now u have a empty flashdisk :)
format it in fat16 but.. :-> dont give it a name and set it to 2gb and do not assign a driveletter
now there is a space left of <1gb
format this too fat16 no name, no drive letter, no other stuff but plain format
now if all is correct and these two drives are there you can disconnect it.
unplug the cardreader (with the remove hardwarebutton in systray)
or if u got it in your wizard , shut down pc and take wizard out after it shut down
then release the wm5torage driver and close it and remove card and insert it
back again..
u can check for errors with pocket mechanic professional..
little warning though : do not do this with non branded fake 4gb cards as it
renders it useless probably..( these cards that are 2gb and reformated to hold 4gb)

ADB100

16-11-2007, 01:22 AM

I tried it and it doesn't work.

Thanks for highlighting my point - some Wizard owners say they work, others say they don't. Even though it's only about UK £20, it's still wasted money if it doesn't work.....

Andy

da_jojo

16-11-2007, 01:33 AM

Thanks for highlighting my point - some Wizard owners say they work, others say they don't. Even though it's only about UK £20, it's still wasted money if it doesn't work.....

Andy

it will work if someone can port wm6 r2 to the wizard
and i had it work with a 4gb sd mini card which wasnt SDHC
the site i bought it doesnt have them anymore ..
it seems it is an "out of specs" sd card hence there not sold here,
but maybe we can find a store that has these cards..
one more thought is that it maybe read the SDHC card as well if we
keep its volume space to a max of 2gb..
multiple volumes on a storage card works fine on a t-mobile stock rom
not tried it on others..
nevertheless ur right about the part that no-one is willing to buy something that doesnt work hence we need to test and try...
or as i would say :

Plug 'n Pray ©

pepcisko

16-11-2007, 01:56 AM

guys, just wait until Monday or Tuesday, you will get a full report :D
let's start a poll, which ROM should be used for testing :D :p

da_jojo

16-11-2007, 02:05 AM

guys, just wait until Monday or Tuesday, you will get a full report :D
let's start a poll, which ROM should be used for testing :D :p

u have it working ? :)

theloon

16-11-2007, 02:13 AM

Have you looked here?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=344338

pepcisko

16-11-2007, 02:19 AM

u have it working ? :)

no, I only got a confirmation "the card is on the way", should arrive on Monday . Even if it won't work, I have another use for the card, but if it works, then I will get one more :D

da_jojo

16-11-2007, 02:33 AM

Have you looked here?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=344338

http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/sd/download/sd_formatter.html

this might be usefull :)

from the thread i read no one tested this patch on the wizard
no, I only got a confirmation "the card is on the way", should arrive on Monday . Even if it won't work, I have another use for the card, but if it works, then I will get one more :D
try first on wm6 on wizard without patch.. it might work on latest version
hope it does ^^

zexsuik

16-11-2007, 08:16 AM

THis will be interesting to find out about. I'm really interested in the outcome

ADB100

16-11-2007, 11:38 AM

Have you looked here?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=344338

Yes, and it still this is just as confusing. Some are saying it works, others it doesn't..........

Andy

KhMeRA

16-11-2007, 04:49 PM

Have you looked here?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=344338

It doesn't work with my Wizard.

xspsi

16-11-2007, 06:59 PM

I have a miniSDHC 4gb card and have tried using it on the original wm5 Tmo rom with the sdhc.cab install and both the TNT1921 and TNT1437 roms with and without the sdhc.cab installed without any success.

I've tried the WMStorage trick but it doesnt work as the mda doesnt recognize that their is a card in the slot and only shows what is on the main memory of the device.

I do have two MDA's (gen3 US spec Tmobile MDA's) so i can spare one to due testing. if anyone has any ideas (roms and cabs that i can install) i would be happy to help.

da_jojo

17-11-2007, 01:16 AM

try with tnt1933 release please

or this method i described before having two volumes on 1 card
format them with this tool http://panasonic.jp/support/global/c...formatter.html

i had a transcend 150x sd card 2gb and it worked fine splitting them in 2 storage cards

mfrazzz

17-11-2007, 01:32 AM

Try it on a a 318 rom (since this is "official" and not a port, there may be a driver conflict that could have been missed in a ported rom that is causing this not to work). Just a thought...

da_jojo

17-11-2007, 02:18 AM

this is from the tnt1933 build rom registry:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\Active\56]
"Hnd"=dword:00758510
"Name"="SHC1:"
"Key"="Drivers\\BuiltIn\\SDHC"
"BusParent"=dword:00032690
"InterfaceType"=dword:00000000
"BusName"="BuiltInPhase1_0_11_0"

i think this needs to be changed :

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\SDCARD\ClientDrivers\Cl ass\SDMemory_Class\High_Capacity]
"IClass"=hex(7):7b,00,41,00,34,00,45,00,37,00,45,00,44,00, 44,00,41,00,2d,00,45,\
00,35,00,37,00,35,00,2d,00,34,00,32,00,35,00,32,00 ,2d,00,39,00,44,00,36,00,\
42,00,2d,00,34,00,31,00,39,00,35,00,44,00,34,00,38 ,00,42,00,42,00,38,00,36,\
00,35,00,7d,00,00,00,7b,00,38,00,44,00,44,00,36,00 ,37,00,39,00,43,00,45,00,\
2d,00,38,00,41,00,42,00,34,00,2d,00,34,00,33,00,63 ,00,38,00,2d,00,41,00,31,\
00,34,00,41,00,2d,00,45,00,41,00,34,00,39,00,36,00 ,33,00,46,00,41,00,41,00,\
37,00,31,00,35,00,7d,00,00,00,00,00
"Profile"="SDMemory"
"BlockTransferSize"=dword:00000040
"Prefix"="DSK"
"Dll"="SDMemory.dll"

into something like this :

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\SDCARD\ClientDrivers\Cl ass\SDMemory_Class\High_Capacity]
"DisablePowerManagement"=dword:00000001
"IClass"=hex(7):7b,00,41,00,34,00,45,00,37,00,45,00,44,00, 44,00,41,00,2d,00,45,\
00,35,00,37,00,35,00,2d,00,34,00,32,00,35,00,32,00 ,2d,00,39,00,44,00,36,00,\
42,00,2d,00,34,00,31,00,39,00,35,00,44,00,34,00,38 ,00,42,00,42,00,38,00,36,\
00,35,00,7d,00,00,00,7b,00,38,00,44,00,44,00,36,00 ,37,00,39,00,43,00,45,00,\
2d,00,38,00,41,00,42,00,34,00,2d,00,34,00,33,00,63 ,00,38,00,2d,00,41,00,31,\
00,34,00,41,00,2d,00,45,00,41,00,34,00,39,00,36,00 ,33,00,46,00,41,00,41,00,\
37,00,31,00,35,00,7d,00,00,00,00,00
"IOCTL"=dword:00000004
"FSD"="FATFS.DLL"
"Profile"="SDMemory"
"BlockTransferSize"=dword:00000040
"Prefix"="DSK"
"Dll"="SDMemory.dll"

3 files are needed :

sdhc_mainstoneii_b2.dll
SDbus.dll
SDMemory.dll

da_jojo

17-11-2007, 04:01 AM

some files i found over the internet

appearently these are same dll files and registry settings belonging to
windows ce and got nothing to do with some particular device driver

A6X6_SDHC.cab is from asus site intended for WM5 or 6
sdhc.cab is the HTC version
SDHC_WM6WM5.zip contains HTC version and separate dll files

looks to me its just a matter of figuring out what belongs where...

this was intended for 4gb SDHC cards.. not sure wheter it supports 6gb or 8gb

pepcisko

17-11-2007, 06:22 PM

Try it on a a 318 rom (since this is "official" and not a port, there may be a driver conflict that could have been missed in a ported rom that is causing this not to work). Just a thought...

that's what I'm going to do on Monday, after the card arrives. In your XM6R3 there are even registry entries for SDHC.. haven't checked in other ROMs, though..

xspsi

18-11-2007, 09:21 PM

I will try the options as soon as I get back in town on wednesday.

mikaarce

19-11-2007, 12:34 AM

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=297324&highlight=4gb+mini+sd

pepcisko

19-11-2007, 05:48 PM

kingston 4GB miniSDHC + Wizard (wiza200)

ok, on Mfrazz's 318 it doesn't work. Not even with the "patch" ;)
going to TNT.1933 ... gimme some time :D
--
UPDATE: TNT.1933 doesn't work. Not even with the "patch"..
going to repartition the card and see if the system will see 2x 2GB or 4x 1GB ;)
--
UPDATE2: repartitioning didn't help. Summary - I don't have to buy a second card :D

ADB100

20-11-2007, 01:23 PM

UPDATE2: repartitioning didn't help. Summary - I don't have to buy a second card :D

Hi, I didn't quite understand your last comment - do you mean you returned the card or did you mange to get it to work?

Andy

thejaredhuang

20-11-2007, 07:36 PM

I think he said he has another use for the card. Since it doesn't work in his phone, then he won't have to buy another one to use for his other device.

In short, it didin't work. :(

yixiar

21-11-2007, 02:29 PM

I've tried all driver in this forum. None work in my MDA too:(

pepcisko

21-11-2007, 03:44 PM

I think he said he has another use for the card. Since it doesn't work in his phone, then he won't have to buy another one to use for his other device.

In short, it didin't work. :(

that's right. I didn't buy the card for the wizard, I only tested it with the wizard. But apparently there is a hardware problem - I'm not completely sure that SD -> SDHC is a simple driver update, though it's *only* a different readout method (and FAT32 is working fine even with SD1.0)

dharvey4651

23-11-2007, 10:07 AM

UPDATE2: repartitioning didn't help. Summary - I don't have to buy a second card :D

If it didn't work then why don't you have to but a second card? If repartitioning didn't work then theoretically, you would still need to buy a card that is compatible with the device which is buying a second card. But if repartitioning to 2x 2gig partitions saved you the trouble of having to buy another card then wouldn't that mean that it DID work?

pepcisko

23-11-2007, 04:34 PM

If it didn't work then why don't you have to but a second card? If repartitioning didn't work then theoretically, you would still need to buy a card that is compatible with the device which is buying a second card. But if repartitioning to 2x 2gig partitions saved you the trouble of having to buy another card then wouldn't that mean that it DID work?

hehe.. I'm using the card in another device. If this worked, I'd had to buy another one to use it in the wizard :)

ADB100

20-12-2007, 01:20 PM

Sorry if this has been posted before but I can't remember seeing it in the Wizard forum, however I noticed this thread in the Universal forum:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=317925

If you read post 37 on page 4 there is a .CAB file posted called 'Signed_Storage_Settings_App.cab'. In this there appears to be some updated drivers and a control panel applet for enabling SDHC compatibility. I don't know if this is specific to the Universal but has anyone on here tried it with the Wizard and a SDHC card?

Andy

sjoyce666

20-12-2007, 03:13 PM

Just ran the CAB on my Wizard with a Toshiba 4gb SDHC card, rebooted and doesnt show as card being inserted

Same problem ive had with everything ive tried

Scott

ADB100

20-12-2007, 03:22 PM

Just ran the CAB on my Wizard with a Toshiba 4gb SDHC card, rebooted and doesnt show as card being inserted

Same problem ive had with everything ive tried

Scott

Is there a new applet in Settings called 'Storage Settings', this should have two radio buttons for selecting Enhanced Mode (SD/SDHC) and Standard Mode (SD Only). I have no idea if it works, I need more storage and I am just grasping at straws really :confused:

Andy

sjoyce666

20-12-2007, 03:41 PM

neonkoala

20-12-2007, 03:43 PM

Just run Clear Storage to get back to how you were before installing them all, or press hard reset combo.

sjoyce666

20-12-2007, 03:47 PM

If i clear storage what will that do ? Lose everything on my phone ? I should be able to get it all back as i was copying files directly to the windows folder on my phone to see if that would work

I dont want to lose everything that ive got on my phone at the moment

Scott

ADB100

20-12-2007, 05:00 PM

You need to update to the latest .NET which i did and then i ran the storage.exe

This loaded fine and i selected using SDHC/SD Cards

Clicked OK it said it had to reboot so did that and its still not working

I may have broken it though as before i ran this i couldnt access my SD Card or my SDHC card so im going to go back and try to make it find the SD Card and then try this option again

I ahve run so many CAB files over the last few days i have no idea if i will be able to get it back into the state it was before i ran them !!

Scott

I thought I would install this and see what happens...

It all looks good - the Applet is there and it reboots when you switch between modes. However once it is installed you cannot access your SD card (SDHC or otherwise...) and it appears though nothing is inserted.

Uninstall it and lets hope HTC release a Wizard version of this update - unlikely I know but lets be optimistic :rolleyes:

Andy

sjoyce666

20-12-2007, 05:23 PM

Andy,

have you tried this ROM ?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=320159

apparently it has support for SDHC cards as it is WM6

i will try it when i get a chance

Scott

ADB100

20-12-2007, 05:31 PM

Andy,

have you tried this ROM ?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=320159

apparently it has support for SDHC cards as it is WM6

i will try it when i get a chance

Scott

Which ROM? Your question doesn't make too much sense..... :confused:

sjoyce666

20-12-2007, 05:41 PM

If you follow the link in that message it will take you to a ROM, have you tried installing and running this as it claims to have support for SDHS which i guess is meant to be SDHC

Im going to try it and see if my Wizard can then see my SDHC card

Scott

John_duh

23-01-2008, 11:20 AM

any luck Scott ?

singhravi437

24-01-2008, 11:59 AM

Any luck anywhere? Can some senior member conclude this thread, please?

osomphane

24-01-2008, 06:46 PM

sdhc cards will not work with the wizard.

John_duh

24-01-2008, 08:25 PM

sdhc cards will not work with the wizard.

and why is that?

I haven t done all the reading i should, but AFAIK the difference is just an other way of adressing the memory, and there are no physical differences between the cards, like a different operating voltage. So it seems to me we are waiting for a good soul to write or adapt the drivers.
Correct me if i m wrong

007wrx

08-02-2008, 12:23 AM

ditch_azeroth

08-02-2008, 05:42 PM

i know there are 4GB non-sdhc miniSDs out, and that, we can definitely use for our wizards. there was a thread of that somewhere. to my knowledge, all 8gb miniSDs are sdhc - which sucks. i'd want an 8gb on my wizard, and i'm all set.

you wouldn't have this kind of a problem on a prophet though.

swiftshadow

08-02-2008, 06:44 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/4GB-mini-SD-Card-for-Sidekick-3-IPAQ-hw6945-HTC-Wizard_W0QQitemZ320215204026QQihZ011QQcategoryZ118 260QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

The cards that guy sells are non HC. I am using one at it works fine in my MDA. Have fun :p
Yeah, I bought from sellbuz at ebay and my 4GB non-SDHC mini is working fin (filloed to capacity for over three weeks!).

ditch_azeroth

08-02-2008, 09:07 PM

ha - that's the first thing i'd do if i had a 4gb non-sdhc. right now, my 2gb is maxxed out with U2 videos (using tcpmp, of course) ^_^

endolith

09-02-2008, 07:03 AM

I bought 2 GB cards because I thought that was the max I could use in the Wizard, but now I am getting Voice Recorder errors and Messaging is not working, which is apparently related to the card because it works when I take it out. How do I format these cards so that they work with no problems?

andrioni

09-02-2008, 01:11 PM

In HTC webpage:

Support: Qtek 9100
What is the maximum SD card size compatible with my device?

For Win CE 2003 =>General for SDIO is 1GB.
For WM 5.0 => SD Card is 4GB and Mini-SD is 12GB

link: http://www.europe.htc.com/en/qtek9100/support/faq.html?id=29

lilila

10-02-2008, 06:26 AM

gehzumteufel

10-02-2008, 07:55 AM

this thread is full of misinformation. if you guys really want to understand why then you need to understand SD. there are NO 4gb NON SDHC cards around. 2x2gb sd cards in a single package is still 2x2gb sd cards. thats how the device reads them. also there are no physical differences between the cards as previously mentioned, but the logic in the device that reads the cards is different. if it is not SDHC certified then it can not read the fat32 filesystem that the SDHC cards use. regular SD cards use fat12 or fat16. would you like more info? www.sdcard.org has all the proper info.

for the guy that talks about the info on the htc site, it is improperly posted by htc. they should have said PHYSICAL limitations exist. windows mobile 5 supports SDHC yes, but does the LOGIC on the device support it is the real question.the answer is no.

gehzumteufel

10-02-2008, 08:01 AM

also for those that dont know, FAT16 has a size limit of 2gb. hence why the filesystem change.

endolith

10-02-2008, 05:38 PM

When I format with the SDHC Panasonic formatter, it is reported by Windows as FAT16, not FAT32.

gehzumteufel

10-02-2008, 10:04 PM

When I format with the SDHC Panasonic formatter, it is reported by Windows as FAT16, not FAT32.

then its not formatting right. the filesystem has a maximum of 2gb. and its only able to use 2gb. there is no way to use anything larger. an sdhc card must be formatted in fat32 to use the full capacity. http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windows2000serv/reskit/core/fncc_fil_blpd.mspx?mfr=true has the limits perfectly laid out.

endolith

10-02-2008, 11:28 PM

then its not formatting right. the filesystem has a maximum of 2gb. and its only able to use 2gb. there is no way to use anything larger. an sdhc card must be formatted in fat32 to use the full capacity. http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windows2000serv/reskit/core/fncc_fil_blpd.mspx?mfr=true has the limits perfectly laid out.

Mine is a 2 GB card. It does not have the SDHC logo on it; just the SD logo.

gehzumteufel

10-02-2008, 11:40 PM

ahh well that makes sense. dont bother with SDHC on a wizard. your wasting your time.

endolith

11-02-2008, 12:12 AM

ahh well that makes sense. dont bother with SDHC on a wizard. your wasting your time.

Should I format it as FAT32 with Windows XP then? I am having issues with it:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1899955

endolith

11-02-2008, 06:19 AM

You can try to format them in digital cameras.

I tried this but it's an old camera and it didn't format any more than "974 MB" of the 2 GB card. Windows then sees it as FAT file system with "974 MB = 1,021,968,384 bytes". My Wizard shows it as "974.63 MB".

If I then format with Windows XP Home, it will only format those 974 MB as either FAT or FAT32. It doesn't see any more, though Computer Management lists the unpartitioned space.

If I format with the Panasonic SDFormatter, it shows up as "FAT, 1.90 GB (2,044,329,984 bytes), cluster size 32768 Bytes", which is also what Windows says. Wizard says "1949.63 MB". Camera says "1.9 GB".

If I do the SDFormatter with size adjustment on, it says "FAT, 1.90 GB (2,043,346,944 Bytes)" same cluster, Windows is same. Wizard says "1948.69 MB". Phone says "1.9 GB".

<strikeout>(What does "size adjustment" do?)</strikeout> (Ok, I found the instruction manual, which explains that this sets it to a multiple of the cylinder size to maximize compatibility.)

If I then format it with Windows as FAT32, it shows up in Windows as "FAT32, 1.89 GB = 2,039,611,392 bytes". Wizard shows "1945.13 MB". Phone says "1.8 GB".

Again, the card does not say "SDHC"; it just says "SD". I have had problems with the Messaging and Voice Command features, apparently due to the SD card.

So which of these various formats should I use for this card? Which is the correct format for the card and/or the phone and/or the camera?

gehzumteufel

14-02-2008, 05:46 PM

I tried this but it's an old camera and it didn't format any more than "974 MB" of the 2 GB card. Windows then sees it as FAT file system with "974 MB = 1,021,968,384 bytes". My Wizard shows it as "974.63 MB".

If I then format with Windows XP Home, it will only format those 974 MB as either FAT or FAT32. It doesn't see any more, though Computer Management lists the unpartitioned space.

If I format with the Panasonic SDFormatter, it shows up as "FAT, 1.90 GB (2,044,329,984 bytes), cluster size 32768 Bytes", which is also what Windows says. Wizard says "1949.63 MB". Camera says "1.9 GB".

If I do the SDFormatter with size adjustment on, it says "FAT, 1.90 GB (2,043,346,944 Bytes)" same cluster, Windows is same. Wizard says "1948.69 MB". Phone says "1.9 GB".

<strikeout>(What does "size adjustment" do?)</strikeout> (Ok, I found the instruction manual, which explains that this sets it to a multiple of the cylinder size to maximize compatibility.)

If I then format it with Windows as FAT32, it shows up in Windows as "FAT32, 1.89 GB = 2,039,611,392 bytes". Wizard shows "1945.13 MB". Phone says "1.8 GB".

Again, the card does not say "SDHC"; it just says "SD". I have had problems with the Messaging and Voice Command features, apparently due to the SD card.

So which of these various formats should I use for this card? Which is the correct format for the card and/or the phone and/or the camera?
sorry for the late reply. for a 2gb card you should use FAT16. fat32 is incorrect for the 2gb cards with regards to compatibility. just use the panasonic sdformatter. it seems to do the job properly.

its right

14-02-2008, 11:35 PM

my next WM 6.1 will use SDHC drivers and i'm sure will work for wizard.

:)

ytsejam_

15-02-2008, 12:53 AM

my next WM 6.1 will use SDHC drivers and i'm sure will work for wizard.

:)

WOAH!!??! is this sure? as in.. really? trully? that's the real best thing WM6.1 is gonna offer the wizard.. and surely, if IE zooming, speed and threaded SMS don't compel anyone to WM6.1, SDHC will..

endolith

15-02-2008, 04:07 PM

sorry for the late reply. for a 2gb card you should use FAT16.

I see now that FAT16 has a maximum size of 2.048 GB, so it should be enough. So when Windows XP says "format as FAT", it really means "FAT16", right?

fat32 is incorrect for the 2gb cards with regards to compatibility.

compatibility with my camera or the wizard? Certainly you can format a 2 GB card with whatever format you want except FAT12.

just use the panasonic sdformatter. it seems to do the job properly.

Isn't it only for SDHC cards?

gehzumteufel

15-02-2008, 08:46 PM

my next WM 6.1 will use SDHC drivers and i'm sure will work for wizard.

:)

you cant force hardware to do something it does not physically support. period.

WOAH!!??! is this sure? as in.. really? trully? that's the real best thing WM6.1 is gonna offer the wizard.. and surely, if IE zooming, speed and threaded SMS don't compel anyone to WM6.1, SDHC will..
dont bother if its JUST for this wannabe sdhc. the hardware itself cant address higher than 2gb.
I see now that FAT16 has a maximum size of 2.048 GB, so it should be enough. So when Windows XP says "format as FAT", it really means "FAT16", right?

compatibility with my camera or the wizard? Certainly you can format a 2 GB card with whatever format you want except FAT12.

Isn't it only for SDHC cards?
while you can format it as you choose, for proper comatibility within devices, it should be formatted as fat16. fat12 was only for cards with a max of 512mb.

also the panasonic one, as for being for just SDHC cards im not sure. i thought i read that it could be used for all, but i could be mistsaken. if i am, i dont intend to spread bad info.

its right

15-02-2008, 09:13 PM

gehzumteufel

15-02-2008, 11:02 PM

[quote=gehzumteufel;1928893]you cant force hardware to do something it does not physically support. period.

Artimes don't support SDHC but now the dll files patched to support this SD type, i didn't test but i hope it will work.
THE WIZARD DOESNT HAVE THE HARDWARE TO SUPPORT SDHC. geez. how hard is it for you guys to understand this. ITS NOT A SOFTWARE THING!!!!!!!!

bpapa9013

16-02-2008, 12:12 AM

I have read in several places (outside this forum), that the hardware requirements for SDHC are no different than reg SD...:p

gehzumteufel

16-02-2008, 12:34 AM

I have read in several places (outside this forum), that the hardware requirements for SDHC are no different than reg SD...:p

this is utter bullshit. i used to own a canon camera that was SDHC compatible. i purchased a 4gb SDHC class 6 card for it. the 4gb card would NOT be recognized by a regular SD reader. i tried and failed. so anyone that CLAIMS its possible is a fucking idiot. its not comptaible. there are internal differences that arent released to the public without signing an NDA with the SDA.

bpapa9013

16-02-2008, 01:29 AM

Were you able to update the software on the camera? :p

da_jojo

16-02-2008, 02:11 AM

besides the dll files one needs a proper bootloader to adress the space beyond 2gb border.

i dont know where u get the idea that the hardware is not capable of reading
the 4gb cards.. you have any proof of this ? the interface is merely a serial attached device which got nothing to do with reading of the memory itself.

the bootloader should contain updated settings for the sdhc as well as the
corresponding driver and perhaps this settingstab..

whether there is a proper bootloader available which will do the trick is to question.

blah123456

16-02-2008, 08:16 AM

Purchased a topram 4gb card off ebay last week. I copied a 3.1gb file onto the card, verified it and deleted the file 5 times. The card is working flawlessly. I can scandisk it and it shows no errors. Have used it for a few days with no troubles. I have 3.5gb of files/music on it now and have been playing the music at work all week on it.

capacity 4,016,046,080 bytes 3.74gb reported in windows. Fat32 format. works fine in my wizard as well as my kodak z712 digital camera and sd card reader. the reader is not sdhc compatible if I use a sdhc card from my camera it won't read it.

I don't know if it is possible to get the sdhc cards working eventually or not but for now a 4gb card is available and is really not that expensive to try out.

Vitalys

18-03-2008, 10:46 PM

gehzumteufel

20-03-2008, 08:26 PM

Read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card

The conclusions (quotes):
1. "...the change to host software or firmware is minor but required"
SOFTWARE or FIRMWARE!!! So, the hardware for SD/SDHC reader host is the same.
2. "...Some manufacturers have produced 4 GB SD cards"
There are 4GB SD (not SDHC) cards available on the market!!!
first off, your an idiot to rely on wikipedia as your main source. you should NEVER do that. always go there and then look elsewhere to verify.

second, the article is wrong. i have personal experience with SD and SDHC. a regular SD reader/writer will NOT, i repeat,WILL NOT read SDHC. i have tried and it has NOTHING to do with drivers! the "host" is the HARDWARE not the OS.

Kimld

20-03-2008, 09:04 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong...
SDHC cards have 32-bit addressing but Wizard has only 16-bit bus - maybe that's why it should never work with SDHC-cards?

benmyers2941

21-03-2008, 09:35 AM

http://forums.the-ozone.net/pictures/beat-dead-horse.gif

Can we stop this thread already?

gehzumteufel

21-03-2008, 10:35 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong...
SDHC cards have 32-bit addressing but Wizard has only 16-bit bus - maybe that's why it should never work with SDHC-cards?
you are correct. this is EXACTLY why an SDHC card can NOT be read in the SD card slots.

http://forums.the-ozone.net/pictures/beat-dead-horse.gif

Can we stop this thread already?
lol dont i wish. i came into the thread way late but have been pounding it every time someone trys to say its possible.