Enabling Sprint Touch Wireless

[jmathies]

Has anyone seen any references to registry tweaks or hacks you can use to turn on the 802.11 wireless in the Sprint Touch? It's disabled by default so you have to surf the web through the network. I did a little digging through the connections registry area, but it was all greek to me. Any help, pointers, links would be appreciated.

[storino03]

There is NO wifi onboard.

--James

[zytor]

Sprint HTC Touch.. US .. Is there wifi onboard or not? would love to know 100% for sure, i have a hard time beleiving HTC changed there entire production and engeneering to remove this for Sprint.. Probebly Just a reg key turned off or something... let get solid proof Hacking this would be awesome fun! :)

[fb401]

No, my boss just got one and he's reported that there's no wifi what so ever.

[ppcding]

if you look here....no WiFi....:rolleyes:

http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS2974288773.html

[zankye]

I have a Htc Touch with Telus in Canada, and I "heard" that the hardware is there but just disabled.
This from somebody who works from Telus (not techical support). So probably we just need a driver to be able to have Wifi.

Rogers Network as well in Canada , I have the GSM model with Wifi.
Maybe somebody could display the driver for wifi?

Just a Thought.

[guap]

why can't you flash with a wifi-enabled rom and see if works? ;)

[zankye]

I would love to do it, but I don't know how.

[zankye]

I found as well that on the specifications of the manufacture of the chipset
that is on the Htc touch phone That is 7500 from Qualcomm, comes already with hardware on chip itself.
Have a look on the specs here:

http://www.cdmatech.com/products/msm7500_chipset_solution.jsp

[zankye]

I found as well that on the specifications of the manufacture of the chipset
that is on the Htc touch phone That is 7500 from Qualcomm, comes already with hardware on chip itself.
Have a look on the specs here:

http://www.cdmatech.com/products/msm7500_chipset_solution.jsp

On the diagram itself on the following link (http://www.cdmatech.com/products/msm7500_chipset_solution.jsp) will see at the bottom 802.11, so you know when Sprint, Telus and HTC touch, are telling that the hardware is not installed they are not telling the truth.

[zytor]

I found as well that on the specifications of the manufacture of the chipset
that is on the Htc touch phone That is 7500 from Qualcomm, comes already with hardware on chip itself.
Have a look on the specs here:

http://www.cdmatech.com/products/msm7500_chipset_solution.jsp

On the diagram itself on the following link (http://www.cdmatech.com/products/msm7500_chipset_solution.jsp) will see at the bottom 802.11, so you know when Sprint, Telus and HTC touch, are telling that the hardware is not installed they are not telling the truth.



this shows a card can plug in, not an actual wifi device, so we need to find out if the device is there, being a network device should there not be a MAC address that can be found? or something??

[zankye]

As well if you look careful on the diagram where it says PM7500 ther's a box where besides other things WLAN is present directly connected to the SBI CONTROL in the bottom.

Looking in the main page where's the processors are, for the HTC TOUCH CRUISE who got wifi and uses chipset 7200 (http://www.umtschips.com/download_library/pdf/diagram_msm7200_cs.pdf) the schematics look the same in a a lot things but for the 802.11 and wlan they are exactly in the same place as 7500.

So It's physically there, wasn't removed because the cell operators asked.

[zytor]

Is there away to scan the hardware for all the functions, find the register that does not allow this to show, and enable this? how can you get to the registers? Can yuo get to all the "icons" see if they are present, Smart phones are new to me. I did alot with CDMA Razr. Does this work on the same "seem" type. so you can enable by changing the "SEEM" I am willng to "Brick" my phone for the good of all!! (It Is Insured)

[zankye]

Digging even further I found this software that was created for the cell comapnies so they can enable or disable whatever they decide in any specific market, the name is Launchpad (http://www.umtschips.com/products/launchpad_solutions.jsp)

It says:

The Launchpad™ suite of integrated applications provides network operators and wireless device manufacturers with a seamless, cost-effective solution for providing advanced wireless data services. Ranging from multimedia applications to position-location technology, connectivity tools, customisable user interfaces and storage capabilities, a select set of Launchpad features is incorporated into each QUALCOMM chipset to enrich the user experience while maintaining cost-target objectives.

Benefits

* Offers a single-source, integrated solution
The Launchpad solution provides all of the necessary application solutions for advanced 3G services, completely integrated on powerful modem chip solutions. The Launchpad platform enables smaller devices to run advanced applications such as high-accuracy positioning, videoconferencing, streaming video and audio and mobile gaming without the need for additional hardware or development time and with reduced power demands.
* Provides wireless device manufacturers with development advantages
With the Launchpad solution, manufacturers can lower their overall costs, decrease development time and improve time-to-market for new devices. Integration of multimedia and connectivity capabilities onto chipsets eliminates the need to identify, purchase and design around a variety of third-party hardware and software solutions in order to deliver advanced data services.
* Enables operators to satisfy new and existing market segments
QUALCOMM's application allows operators to provide a variety of products to address different market needs. The Launchpad suite's ability to decrease development costs also helps operators reach new and previously untapped markets, such as by offering affordable data applications to entry-level users previously considered unable or unwilling to pay for these services.



So it seems is configurable. Anybody out there know how to work with Launchpad?

[zytor]

After doing a little snooping in the registery, i have found that there is about 4 registers that are missing, also in my research i have found that the built in wifi is a intraged part of the 7500 from Qualcomm. The registers that are there are all changed to "0" not allowing this to even power up this device, so if we can add these registers somehow, we got it! the driver is already part of WM6 Pro.

[zankye]

I download Resco registry and it's true besides the Wlan is disable GPS as well, meaning that the hardware is all there, like I was suspicious from the beginning.
Anybody knows how to Enable this Settings?

What about the people who got this device already with Wifi enable can you post the settings of the registry from windows related to Wifi and wlan in here?

Thanks

[cderry]

This would be great if someone is the guinea pig to try this out.

[storino03]

A-GPS will become available Q1 of 2008 for the Sprint Touch/Mogul as well as Rev A updates too. Just hold tight.

--James

[tlordon]

im willing..
i know the GPS is there Its software (either locked in base rom or reg or both)
and WIfi im thinking is there.. i just dont want to open the phone yet.. few more weeks and i will but it looks like it has 3 antennas..

[Bazzz66]

Hey Guys,

I'm very curious how to move on with this "discovery".
Is there not a way to draw some more attention to this post.

It is also interresting for the touch people if there is a gps inside.

Maybe the a moderator can make it sticky??

Keep up the good work, I would love to help, but I do not (yet) have a touch or a touch dual........:)

[360discgolf]

I have done a lot of looking around on this. I looked at the registry settings on my PPC-6700 to see if I could simply add some strings to make it available. The problem that I saw is that there is no WLAN executable in the the windows directory. I could try to pull the .exe from my 6700, but honestly I don't know if that is something that would work.

Any pros out there that have input?

[360discgolf]

I have done a lot of looking around on this. I looked at the registry settings on my PPC-6700 to see if I could simply add some strings to make it available. The problem that I saw is that there is no WLAN executable in the the windows directory. I could try to pull the .exe from my 6700, but honestly I don't know if that is something that would work.

Any pros out there that have input?

It will take more then that....I will add more comments later

[cderry]

All I heard was that Rev A was coming out in the 1st quarter of 2008, so it should be like broadband speeds with out taking battery life away compared with wifi

[wsparvis]

I found as well that on the specifications of the manufacture of the chipset
that is on the Htc touch phone That is 7500 from Qualcomm, comes already with hardware on chip itself.
Have a look on the specs here:

http://www.cdmatech.com/products/msm7500_chipset_solution.jsp

On the diagram itself on the following link (http://www.cdmatech.com/products/msm7500_chipset_solution.jsp) will see at the bottom 802.11, so you know when Sprint, Telus and HTC touch, are telling that the hardware is not installed they are not telling the truth.

So you know for a fact that wifi is enabled at the HW level and is connected to an antenna? Cool! Source and link, please?!

TIA

[guap]

doesn't sprint touch comes with a TI omap 201 mhz cpu like the european touch? Where did yuo noticed about qualcomm 7500 chipset with 400 mhz cpu?

[zytor]

doesn't sprint touch comes with a TI omap 201 mhz cpu like the european touch? Where did yuo noticed about qualcomm 7500 chipset with 400 mhz cpu?


Look Here For Specs.

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=1294

[guap]

ooops, I miss it :p

Ok, I hope you can unlock wireless on it... Wolud be a great evidence of how htc works and a proof to try to unlock even the touch dual here ;)

[zankye]

Looking on the windows registry for the Touch, been able to enable WLAN
will be a step closer to enable Gps.
The registry shows that what is disable in the drivers part showing :"DisableWlan"
For GPS in the registry I can find GPS Settings and right shows :'hide'
as well a lot of instances for GPS and AGPS(Assited Gps).

So it's a software related thing .

[guap]

so you can officially confirm that you own a sprint touch with software enabled wifi? great :p

[zankye]

No, I have a Telus Htc Touch and Wifi is not enable, that's why you find all the discovery in this and another thread in the forum.
If you read carefully it says that in the windows registry shows in the drivers part "DisableWlan" meaning that the drivers are installed but is disabled. How to enable? It's the all question We've been talking in here. If you look in the schematics of the processor you will see that both GPS and wlan are already in the Qualcomm board.
All the links are in this thread.

[guap]

sorry, I misunderstood english :)

the schematics are pretty but aren't definitive at all: wifi devices has power and antenna also, qualcomm chipset only integrates low-level api and ports. Anyway, I think almost impossible that htc makes different revisions for wifi enabled/disabled wifi but it's only my opinion, not supported by facts nor supported by schematics :( We will have definitive answer when someone open it and see inside, same as waiting for htc touch dual

[zytor]

Looking on the windows registry for the Touch, been able to enable WLAN
will be a step closer to enable Gps.
The registry shows that what is disable in the drivers part showing :"DisableWlan"
For GPS in the registry I can find GPS Settings and right shows :'hide'
as well a lot of instances for GPS and AGPS(Assited Gps).

So it's a software related thing .

Tell Me Exact Locations You Fond These I WIll Check I Have The Sprint Touch.

[mkhattab]

Tell Me Exact Locations You Fond These I WIll Check I Have The Sprint Touch.
Are you saying you have enabled WLAN?
If so, which registry keys have you modified?

[zytor]

If Some One Can Direct Me To The Exact Registers In The Registry, I will Try Different Values To Enable This. I Do Have An HTC Touch And Will Brick It For The Good Of This Project!! (It's Insured) :) :)

[zankye]

First of all download the Resco explorer (http://www.resco.net/pocketpc/explorer/default.asp) that got a Windows registry for your device. Once installed do a search for :
wlan
wifi
gps

Will find in the drivers that is a DisableWlan , but I cannot edit this registry excepts the value. I would like to edit the registry itself, I don't know if the full version of the program lets you do it.
You will find more instances for wifi wlan and GPS and AGPS (http://www.cdmatech.com/products/gpsone.jsp)

I hope this helps

[jmathies]

I looked around in the most logical places within the reg. e.g. Comm and System. But I didn't get any hits on wlan, wifi, or wireless except one system flag that was already enabled.

Hopefully a vogue will be released somewhere with wireless and gps enabled. I'm at a loss figuring out what to do.


Update - here's the fcc testing documentation:
http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=302771&fcc_id='NM8VOGU100'

[zankye]

Do a search with Resco on the all registry and You'll find it.

[e_town]

Just did some searching...... (using PHM RegEdit)

WLAN - HKLM\Software\Drivers\Vpd\DisableWLAN=0
WiFi - HKCR\CM_WiFiEntries\CLSID\Default={D87ABAEA-E........
WiFi - HKCRU\ControlPanel\WiFi\EapolParam1 and EapolParam2 with strings EapFlags=0 and EapType=25 and 13.
Wifi - HKLM\ControlPanel\WiFi\Timeout=0
WiFi - HKLM\Comm\WiFi\ScanInterval=60
*note HKLM\Comm\WWAN1\Params\Tcpip - interesting, not sure why though

GPS - HKCU\ControlPanel\PhoneExtendFunction\CDMA\GPSOneS etting=0
GPS - HKLM\ControlPanel\GPS Settings\Hide=1
GPS - HKLM\Software\HTC\Camera\Image\GpsSaveFolder=MY POI *couple gps related entries in here. Dont seem relavent to activating GPS though.
GPS - HKLM\Drivers\Active\56\Key=Drivers\BuiltIn\GPSID
GPS - HKLM\Drivers\BuiltIn\GPSID\ bunch of entries in here
contex=0
Dll=GPSID.dll
Flags=2
Index=0
Keep=1
Order=16
Prefix=GPD

GPS - HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\.....couple folders / entries here



Thats all i found searching the registry. Hopefully this information can help someone figure something out. I can get more info if anyone thinks it will help. Cheers.


.eric

[zytor]

Awesome Info I will see what i can do, I already under the /Control Panel/GPSDisable Changed to a 0 Default was 1. Didnt see if it worked, how can i tell?

[zytor]

Just did some searching...... (using PHM RegEdit)

WLAN - HKLM\Software\Drivers\Vpd\DisableWLAN=0
WiFi - HKCR\CM_WiFiEntries\CLSID\Default={D87ABAEA-E........
WiFi - HKCRU\ControlPanel\WiFi\EapolParam1 and EapolParam2 with strings EapFlags=0 and EapType=25 and 13.
Wifi - HKLM\ControlPanel\WiFi\Timeout=0
WiFi - HKLM\Comm\WiFi\ScanInterval=60
*note HKLM\Comm\WWAN1\Params\Tcpip - interesting, not sure why though

GPS - HKCU\ControlPanel\PhoneExtendFunction\CDMA\GPSOneS etting=0
GPS - HKLM\ControlPanel\GPS Settings\Hide=1
GPS - HKLM\Software\HTC\Camera\Image\GpsSaveFolder=MY POI *couple gps related entries in here. Dont seem relavent to activating GPS though.
GPS - HKLM\Drivers\Active\56\Key=Drivers\BuiltIn\GPSID
GPS - HKLM\Drivers\BuiltIn\GPSID\ bunch of entries in here
contex=0
Dll=GPSID.dll
Flags=2
Index=0
Keep=1
Order=16
Prefix=GPD

GPS - HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\.....couple folders / entries here



Thats all i found searching the registry. Hopefully this information can help someone figure something out. I can get more info if anyone thinks it will help. Cheers.


.eric

I checked in the HTC Touch for these Values, They all match yours, Are you also using a Touch? If we can find someone who has the europian version and have them also check the registry and compair these values we might be able to enable this. just a long shot guess

[rzanology]

not realy sure if this might help...how about getting a com manager with wifi link?

[tlordon]

i hate to say this but the Intermidet setttings are for the BT GPS not the internal..

the internal wont have all that hooyii as those are Port settings etc..
However if we create a Cab hack that creates a fake port but reads the internal gps (so we can use current telenav, and make it think its reading internal)

the reason i know thats what it is is cause when i change the GPS setings in the Gui (from normal user view) it changes those keys..

when i change GPS location it goes from 1-3 depending on Gui setting..

The gps even logs into pictures (scary your photo has the GPS Cord embeded)

however i did find we can mod panoramic and where it stores pics and have it make folders for each sesion (date) Pretty cool..

i think the keys that are there that might be for us for gps is the gpsid...
or the keys are just not there..

has anyone taken theres apart..
i have looked at the back and it looks like it has 3 antennas..
way way top it has a Hard cased antenna, PCS
squigle antenna (wifi i think)
Fliped L antenna Under speaker ( Bluetooth, all BT antennas on phones i see have that style short antenna.. )

someone take theres apart and see if the 3 antennas connect or only 2..

[guap]

If Some One Can Direct Me To The Exact Registers In The Registry, I will Try Different Values To Enable This. I Do Have An HTC Touch And Will Brick It For The Good Of This Project!! (It's Insured) :) :)

open it and see if there are some antennas :) (or post pictures if you are not sure)

[e_town]

I checked in the HTC Touch for these Values, They all match yours, Are you also using a Touch? If we can find someone who has the europian version and have them also check the registry and compair these values we might be able to enable this. just a long shot guess

Yeah, i'm using the Touch. (US Version - Sprint)

.eric

[zytor]

open it and see if there are some antennas :) (or post pictures if you are not sure)

Give Me A Few Days And I Will Attempt To Open This Up... :eek:

[e_town]

Just removed the back cover and noticed a little "plug". Could this be anything???

[guap]

Give Me A Few Days And I Will Attempt To Open This Up... :eek:

amazing! http://forum.xda-developers.com/images/icons/icon14.gif Please, if you can, make some pictures of the process so we can see all :p

@e_town:
that is the external antenna connector, equipped on several devices ;)

[zytor]

Look at the photo these seems this can be a wifi ant? also look how they put anti-tamper stickers over the screwes what weenies!!
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/5968/cimg0954yd8.th.jpg (http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cimg0954yd8.jpg)

[Insoc]

@e_town:
that is the external antenna connector, equipped on several devices ;)

When you say external Antenna connector, you mean the CDMA antenna correct?

Can anyone second this claim or verify if it is the Wifi antenna? It looks like every Wifi antenna jack I have seen in every laptop I have taken apart... It just lacks the antenna wire...

[malatesta]

When you say external Antenna connector, you mean the CDMA antenna correct?

Can anyone second this claim or verify if it is the Wifi antenna? It looks like every Wifi antenna jack I have seen in every laptop I have taken apart... It just lacks the antenna wire...
Seconded. It's for an external CDMA antenna.

In this pic of the Mogul/6800 from the FCC, you can see the Wifi antenna. Not so much of an antenna as a nub.

http://i1.tinypic.com/6xicyyx.jpg

[Insoc]

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=818528&native_or_pdf=pdf

This says CDMA2000, (850, 1900) 1xEVDO/ 1xRTT/ IS-95A/B with BT2.0 with EDR + AGPS functions...


Did a search here: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm

And used NM8 and VOGU100 as the FCCID to enter into the search. No cool internals posted yet that I could find due to a confidentiality request. Seems they will be available after the 15th of January... Unless I missed it, it does not look like it has wifi, or it might, but they did not FCC test it, am I wrong?

[tigerz]

my friend has the htc touch european version

[alexfendi]

I'm not sure if this will be of any help but here in china, the htc touch is called dopod s1. Wifi is also disabled but there is a patch you can install to enable it. i have used this patch and it works. the problem is the touch here in china is a gsm version and not cdma. here is the cab....

[zankye]

Thanks Alexfendi for your help. I tried on My Telus Htc Touch but no luck.

[510jungleboy]

I'm not sure if this will be of any help but here in china, the htc touch is called dopod s1. Wifi is also disabled but there is a patch you can install to enable it. i have used this patch and it works. the problem is the touch here in china is a gsm version and not cdma. here is the cab....

After install the cab and messing around in the registry, i got the WLAN icon on my Comm Screen.

[e_town]

Thats what i would concider a pretty big step. What happens when you "activate" it? What keys did you change in the registry? Any further success? What kind of phone? US? This just got really interesting.....

[zankye]

If you had download a new cab for the Comm Manager (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=320239) like I did 2 weeks ago you had the same result, that you have now. When You press the Wlan button it doesn't enable. So I don't know what things you change in the registry, but installed this comm manager (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=320239) you would get the same results.

[510jungleboy]

If you had download a new cab for the Comm Manager (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=320239) like I did 2 weeks ago you had the same result, that you have now. When You press the Wlan button it doesn't enable. So I don't know what things you change in the registry, but installed this comm manager (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=320239) you would get the same results.

I didn't install any comm manager cab file prior to installing the above Dopod wifi s1 that fendi had posted above. There is a wifi registry that i had changed, something regarind about path that is timeout, i changed it to 1 instead of 0. i have to trace back to the correct path of that registry.

If , the above file is a comm manager cab file, the icons color would not be yellow, because the yellow enabled color is default of the SPRINT TOUCH comm manager.


Edit: HTC Sprint Vogue

[tigerz]

im having troule instaling this cab it wont add into my storage card like i drag it on it and it dsent show up

[Insoc]

It needs to be mentioned...

who is doing this on the Elf, and who is doing this on the Vogue, or easier yet...

GSM vs CDMA please. Otherwise it gets confusing...

My link to the FCC shows that HTC only tested the CDMA phone for BT and CDMA... Unless I read it all wrong, no mention to the FCC was made about Wifi capabilities on the CDMA (Vogue) phone.

Am I wrong?

I got my fingers crossed though... :D

[tigerz]

i am using the sprint cdma vouge and am having trouble getting that s1 file onto my phone so i can install it

[zytor]

Looks like In The Comm Manger, The Icon For Activeysnc Has Been Changed To A WLAN Icon, If You Are Connected to your PC does that change to yellow?? That Is Usually Where Activesync Icon Is... Just a guess.... :confused:

[Hugo381]

i am using the sprint cdma vouge and am having trouble getting that s1 file onto my phone so i can install it

i was having the same problem but when I copy and paste it works, it doesnt drag and drop. I also changed file name from S1-WIFI[][] to S1-WIFI so that might have made it worked.

I opened up the Explorer in the sync program and went to my storage card and copy and pasted, drag and drop doesnt work for some odd reason.

I also have the Sprint HTC TOUCH for the record, i havent installed the CAB yet thought, no point if i dont have the directions on how and what registry changes I need to make that WIFI section show.

[510jungleboy]

Looks like In The Comm Manger, The Icon For Activeysnc Has Been Changed To A WLAN Icon, If You Are Connected to your PC does that change to yellow?? That Is Usually Where Activesync Icon Is... Just a guess.... :confused:

Nothing changes when i tap the icon. Just the wait animation icon thats all.


Edit: By the way, we have the Vogue sub forum now. :) yippee

[ambush276]

very interesting topic. This is my theory.

The processor has the actual hardware, but sprint disabled it software wise. You might also need to do something to the hardware, maybe something physically is disabled? I think the registries people are getting hyped up about are for Wm6. They have GPS and WLAN registries in most all WM6 devices. Not to ruin the party, cause i would like all of this to be true, but i dont think the touch has WIFI for CDMA version. I HOPE IM WRONG!

[alexfendi]

i did some searching in my S1 and in the extended rom i found a file named "Patch_remove_wlansetting" i have posted that cab file for you guys to look into and see what it actually does maybe you guys can do some kind of reverse engineering on it.

Here is another cab file i found to enable wlan on the touch for the people who are having problems with the first one i posted.

[zankye]

Thanks again, but didn't work. I appreciate your effort.

[ambush276]

from sprint's official forum buzzaboutwireless.com Owens is the Director of Product Commercialization

"Is 802.11 wireless circuit just turned off on the Touch or has it been removed prior to the street release? Can it be turned on in a future firmware release?

David Owens : 802.11 is not supported on the CDMA version of the touch."



not supported means its there, and we have to figure out wtf to do w/ it.!

[imneveral0ne]

from sprint's official forum buzzaboutwireless.com Owens is the Director of Product Commercialization





not supported means its there, and we have to figure out wtf to do w/ it.!

damn, i hope your right lol. not that i often used the wifi on my mogul. but i did like being able to use it as a wireless access point.

[simonlesorcier]

...oR JUST REALLY COOL TO BE ABLE TO USE IT ABROAD, WHERE NO EVDO IS AVAILABLE!.
LOOKING REALLY COOL.
CHEERS

EDUARDO

[ambush276]

it could also be disabled by the firmware? So if you made a custom ROM that is different i guess, it possibly might work lol? The only thing of course.. when REV. A comes out you will need another ROM.

[mycall]

Speaking of ROM, is everyone using/comparing the latest ROM version?

[primenall]

Also on the Titan (with the same chip, similar board) it is enabled by the physical hardware switch on the machine...

On my mogul/titan it's a slide on slide off switch so possibly we may have to go into the inside on a mogul and see where the switch goes on the board itself and compare it to our board and we may have to make a Pysical jumper.


We need to do a rip of all of the wifi registy entries and associated files from the titan as it's the same chip, and set it up just like the titan for starters.

I would look but my titan is going back to Sprint this week after a sweet 4 months.:D

[Gazoo22]

I was just wondering if someone could look at or get a hold of some pictures of a WiFi enabled board and the Vogu100 Touch board and see if the hardware is the same, I think there should be some physical differance if the WiFi is not present on the Vogu100.

[manchild83]

I am hoping that we can figure this thing out. If anyone can give me info on how to help let me know. I have some research tools at my disposal.

[jackolus]

if you read one of the first posts - someone compare Vogue mainboard and proves that vogue has not wifi antenna onboard !

if it's just a simple registry tweaks you will have it already, becouse everyone is working for it.

just stay cool and enjoy your qualcomm processor and 3g :)

[anywhereanytime]

if you read one of the first posts - someone compare Vogue mainboard and proves that vogue has not wifi antenna onboard !

if it's just a simple registry tweaks you will have it already, becouse everyone is working for it.

just stay cool and enjoy your qualcomm processor and 3g :)


Hey Jackolus, why don't you read post #10 and go find something else to do with your time and let the EE techs seek the truth. Whether there is or isn't is all about the thrill of the hunt.

Check out the specs on our crummy Qualcomm chipset ... oh, and even Rev 0 CDMA SCREAMS. I watch Sprint TV anywhere - no WiFi required when you have 3G - and it's the best I have seen so far. Opera Mobile works great.

... just wait until we get GPS and REV A in early Q108 !!

There is A LOT to like about the Vogue - we just want it ALL !!

http://www.cdmatech.com/products/msm7500_chipset_solution.jsp

[ambush276]

true facts true. I have been playing around w/ my friend's ( i get mine hopefully Tuesday if they don't screw up mailing again.) and i obviously cant take his apart. But after talking to my life long friend, who works at a sprint service center, he told me kind of "wink wink" yes, there is wifi. He said that some of his friends working at the center have gotten there's to run on wifi network, without physically making a switch. He will try to get a hold of one, and i hope to be able to use it and possibly get some picks for yah guys. He said though at the same time '3G is fast enough and w/ REV A out in Q1, WIFI will only be really useful inside a building w/ no coverage.... So after hearing all of this i conclude that it is some registry / rom tweak we need to do. Im sure you have heard this alot but just wanted to show you some real truth...

[anywhereanytime]

true facts true. I have been playing around w/ my friend's ( i get mine hopefully Tuesday if they don't screw up mailing again.) and i obviously cant take his apart. But after talking to my life long friend, who works at a sprint service center, he told me kind of "wink wink" yes, there is wifi. He said that some of his friends working at the center have gotten there's to run on wifi network, without physically making a switch. He will try to get a hold of one, and i hope to be able to use it and possibly get some picks for yah guys. He said though at the same time '3G is fast enough and w/ REV A out in Q1, WIFI will only be really useful inside a building w/ no coverage.... So after hearing all of this i conclude that it is some registry / rom tweak we need to do. Im sure you have heard this alot but just wanted to show you some real truth...

Gotta love the truth no matter how much you guess what the truth could be - Sprint would know, and certainly their techies first hand.

Someone else said this first - why would HTC change their production lines just because friggin Sprint didn't "think" we needed WiFi with their glorious Rev 0 ??

Thanks Ambush276 for sharing with us !!!!!!!!!

Hopefully you will get even more to share ... wink, wink !

[Wilochka]

Gotta love the truth no matter how much you guess what the truth could be - Sprint would know, and certainly their techies first hand.

Someone else said this first - why would HTC change their production lines just because friggin Sprint didn't "think" we needed WiFi with their glorious Rev 0 ??

Thanks Ambush276 for sharing with us !!!!!!!!!

Hopefully you will get even more to share ... wink, wink !

because they had to almost completely redesign the phone for Sprint because they use CDMA versus GSM? I can definitely understand that.

[imneveral0ne]

SOMEONE BRING THIS THREAD BACK TO LIFE! i really would like wifi on my phone :-p

[gaines]

Someone else said this first - why would HTC change their production lines just because friggin Sprint didn't "think" we needed WiFi with their glorious Rev 0 ??

I think the bottom line is that Sprint doesn't want the phone to have WiFi because they don't gain any revenue from you having free internet access. They want you to pay for a data plan.

[manchild83]

I pay sprint for my data plan and I intend to continue paying them after I unlock wifi. I just want wifi and GPS unlocked because I want it all.

[ambush276]

ok well here is the scooop. My friend who works at the center, his friend is going out of town for the weekend. He said he will leave his touch to my friend to play around with etc. Now here is the problem?? What do you want me to do>??? i mean idk how to show its working on wifi or anything. My friend when i called him today told me that it just looks like normal browsing. No external antennas or anything like that. So im not sure what to do about that? He said that there really is no way to show its working on wifi?? he said that they dont have anything in the comm manager enabled its all manually done. so im not sure what i can do to show you. Either way im going to my friends house tomorrow night to see if this really is all true and as good as it sounds. I will report after.

[mbote]

That sounds like good news but let's wait and see; hopefully you can confirm and have your friend's friend share up the steps....

[Cyranos]

well, at least there MUST be some setting panel.....WEP/WPA, keys, WLAN detection etc......so, it'll be quite easy to see if it's a hoax or not.....plus, you have to see the device in the wlan-list in your browser....

still thinking, it's a hoax....^^

[mycall]

I suggest downloading the aircrack-ng suite (http://download.aircrack-ng.org/) and see if you get any packets coming out of it while you are experimenting. I would suggest not having any other wifi devices within range just to keep it clean.

[ambush276]

ok well... i had a great weekend with "the touch" and i have to report it was on the wifi network. Now i dont have any way to actually to show you. I mean basically what he did was go on internet and put the phone on airplane mode so no signal could go in and out. Then he connected to the internet and got around a 5 mbps DL and 2 mbps upload.... The one thing he told me was that there was no way to turn off the wifi , so once it was "enabled" it was "enabled." Remember this is not his touch, it was a fellow repair centere'e. He gave it back today, but after going to airplane mode and getting 5 mpbs DL on the speakeasy.net/speedtest. I Believe that he was on the wifi network. He told me from his knowledge it was a software but i cant confirm that since i dont have hard evidence if it was software or hardware. There were no antennas and there was nothing in the memory card slot. SO if it was hardware the phone was put back together seamlessly. (it is repair center people, so that might not surprise me in the least as well.) Once again, my friend at the store will try to ask him what he did, and what is possible for the users to do. At the very least we can figure out if its hardware or software, but im not so sure his friend will be willing to give out information that could ultimately end up getting him fired. But i hope to get you info on hardware vs. software hack...

[juiceppc]

ok well... i had a great weekend with "the touch" and i have to report it was on the wifi network. Now i dont have any way to actually to show you. I mean basically what he did was go on internet and put the phone on airplane mode so no signal could go in and out. Then he connected to the internet and got around a 5 mbps DL and 2 mbps upload.... The one thing he told me was that there was no way to turn off the wifi , so once it was "enabled" it was "enabled." Remember this is not his touch, it was a fellow repair centere'e. He gave it back today, but after going to airplane mode and getting 5 mpbs DL on the speakeasy.net/speedtest. I Believe that he was on the wifi network. He told me from his knowledge it was a software but i cant confirm that since i dont have hard evidence if it was software or hardware. There were no antennas and there was nothing in the memory card slot. SO if it was hardware the phone was put back together seamlessly. (it is repair center people, so that might not surprise me in the least as well.) Once again, my friend at the store will try to ask him what he did, and what is possible for the users to do. At the very least we can figure out if its hardware or software, but im not so sure his friend will be willing to give out information that could ultimately end up getting him fired. But i hope to get you info on hardware vs. software hack...


Ineresting... If this device get's wifi AND GPS I'd consider jumping ship to Sprint. You hear that Sprint?!! Enable all the stuff and I'd switch from ATT... The Touch is a superb device and with all those features in that size IMHO would be the best PPC phone to date. Now does the Sprint Touch Qualcomm proc suffer from the same poor video performance issues the Kaiser does? Mainly the tearing.

[manchild83]

Tempting. I am holding out hope.

[dan-htc-touch]

If any of the vogue users out there have a friend with an elf, get him to share all the files and registry keys that pertain to wlan e.g. wlanmgr.exe, and any wlan dll's he can find

[dan-htc-touch]

another thought, someone should try flashing a custom rom, and inserting the wireless support from and elf rom, I have no idea how to do this myself, but i'm learning

[themaskfly]

well, the touch dual of japanese has WIFI fonction. so ...

[mbote]

From wat I've read so far, the HTC Touch Dual (GSM-based) has been confirmed to have WIFI by a few posts here and there; however, for the Vogue [CDMA only by Bell, Sprint, Telus] confirmation is yet to come..... but it looks like there's hope. Let’s not try to confuse both devices, even those they might, as I read somewhere, have chipsets that are close enough to be similar in features and functionality. So, if one device might have such and such functionality, the other might not necessarily have it. We might also make note that they’re 2 different and distinct devices running on 2 different (non compatible) network: GSM and CDMA.


Another thing worth noting is that the Vogue seems to have hardware support for GPS (not to be confused w/ A-GPS or Location Service).

My thoughts on GPS are based on the presence of 2 things: User manual and some Debug Info on the phone itself.
- The User Manual mentions GPS when describing the functions of the front LEDs.
Found on page 12( for Bell Touch under "Getting Started”); on page 4 (for Sprint Touch under "Your Device”); on page 7 (for Telus Touch under "The Smartphone")
Notification LEDs ==> "Right LED: Shows a flashing Blue light when the Bluetooth system is powered up and ready to transmit Bluetooth radio signal, or an Amber light for GPS status."
This mention is also made later in Appendix under "Controls and Lights"

- Additionally, when you enter the DEBUG mode on the phone, and choose 'Debug Info', you're presented with 3 features: 1X, HDR and GPS.
The first 2 will show you some network data going up and down…. Unless you have no network (this implies cellular for your provider) These 1X and HDR should show something. I can see my IP address under HDR; however, under GPS, it's all N/A.

I then paired a BT external GPS, and the GPS Debug Info are still N/A. Not even enabling the "Location Service" could trigger a byte of data on this GPS Debug Info s/w; So, I'm assuming, it's there for something else, maybe something higher?!?!

Without being an expert, I believe that's enough proof to say "at least, this thing has GPS built-in" and some "Radio ROM" hack might just be the trigger to get it to work.
Folks in forums here and there have mentioned the Vogue to have 3 internal Antennas under the hood. I can say to have spotted 3 things that looks like antennas to me (and again what do I know? I'm no expert)

If (still assuming...) this device has GPS.....then, why would they leave WIFI out? ..... Just thinking out loud here!

Please note, the ELF (as far as the manual goes) does only talk about the "Location Services" (i.e. A-GPS). Sorry, I don't have an ELF device to check the software and all...(I can’t even tell if they come w/ such DEBUG thing)

FWIW, I find it "un-business-wise" for HTC to go all the way print and distribute user guides mentioning GPS as clearly as that, put in a GPS Debug s/w just for "the sake of it"?

OK, I'm no expert but that's enough proof to tell me that the Vogue is capable of more than it's advertised. Or maybe they (HTC, Bell, Sprint and Telus) didn't think important to "update" their respective User Manuals and Guides. Maybe it was a "copy and paste"; maybe, I'm just being lunatic and have absolutely NO IDEA how wrong I am.


Well, that's my 2 cents, hope that's gon' trigger some smart brain to get some coding done.... :-)


Mbote

[Aaron McCarthy]

Not sure if this gives any people hope at all for the CDMA users out there who want wifi but before I purchased this phone I was debating whether or not to stick with the newest Treo or go to something windows mobile based.. ie the HTC Touch. I ended up choosing the touch after the rep who I dealt with (who is the son of one of the franchise owners, a manager and a friend of mine) had said that the only reason the CDMA version doesnt have wifi enabled was because they wanted clients to use their data plans (duh) that said.. he said they didnt do anything special to the phone other then disable the feature so in theory it can be turned back on.

Now that said, it is just sort of word of mouth from a person whos father is a franchise owner and he himself is a manager at the store... not a tech guy but we weren't even sure untill the day that the device shipped in if it was going to have Wifi or not as like it was said in the post above, the documentation said it has things that in fact it doesn't.

I was confident that either A) a hack would come about to solve this issue or I would just buy one of those new MicroSD Wifi cards that will be coming out. The only downside to the wifi SD cards is you'd will have to swap out the storage card thats in there when you want to use programs or listen to music and when you want wifi you would have to put the other in. Sort of a pain in the ass but really... The Treo phones (at least the palm os versions) arent capable at all of supporting wifi so I decided screw palm and get an HTC where at least theres the posibility of wifi on the phone in the future!

[mbote]

Agree w/ Aaron.

WiFI disable to drive sales for their EVDO network...sounds like a plausible reason.!

[dan-htc-touch]

yeah, and telus charges $25.00 for 4 mb, and an overage charge of $12.00 per aditional mb, I could easily spend a couple hundred dollars a day on that plan, even their one gig plan is $100.00, with $6.00 per aditional mb I would still spend probably a g-note a month on that plan I really need wifi

[mbote]

yeah, and telus charges $25.00 for 4 mb, and an overage charge of $12.00 per aditional mb, I could easily spend a couple hundred dollars a day on that plan, even their one gig plan is $100.00, with $6.00 per aditional mb I would still spend probably a g-note a month on that plan I really need wifi


Then if you're getting the Touch..... Bell's offering Unlimited Data {all minus tethering} for 7$ a month [This why I got my touch]....... I think Telus has something similar for about $ 15.

Check out http://www.howardforums.com/ under Bell and Telus for some inside details {don't just expect they'll confirm or deny our main topic here}.... They have employees from these companies if u need some clarifications if need be.

HTH

[manchild83]

When I do a registry search for GPS I find a ton of internal values for GPS. Some of them seem tied to the camera which makes me think you can actually geo tag your photos when you fully enable the internal GPS.
for example
GPSOne Setting = 0
GPS Control Pannel Hide = 1
at the location registey entry
GPS Item 1 = ON
GPS Item 2 = OFF
Looks like all we need are all the GPS settings from an elf with the GPS enables over write our GPS settings. That should re-enable it.

Sprint says they they will release their own navigation program in 2008. I suspect they disabled the GPS to force you to use their service rather than MS Live mobile or Google mobile.

I am not an expert but learning so I figure if we keep at this we will eventually figure out how to unlock both GPS and WIFI. If any one wants to take a look at their registry there is a free program called CeRegEditor google it.

[Aaron McCarthy]

Here' the problem I see with this so far... How many people who dont need to hack their phone to get wifi are reading this thread. I bet NONE, well unless theres some people out there who have friends with a phone on a different network and they themselves have access... so we sit here waiting for someone with a GSM version of the phone to read this thread and go "Hmmmm I wonder what the poor people with the CDMA versions of the phone are doing with their non-wifi phone". I personally dont know anyone who has the phone on the Rogers network here in Canada.. I was actually the first one to get it in the city I am in as Telus released the phone about a month or two before Rogers did I think and I had been switching over to Telus and waited a week or two to actually do it before they got the phone. SO they second it was in ( literally went there first thing in the morning) and picked up the phone) to check it out and sign up so I could use it. I had said in a previous message before that we werent sure whether it would have WIFI or not so I was really ancy to see. But regardless it would be nice if someone who has access to a GSM version can figure this out. I can tell you this much, once these features are hacked into all the CDMA providers are going to be pissed! I am going to send out a postings everywhere on instructions on how to get wifi on your phone... save people a ton of cash using their phone companies data plans... Wait.. maybe thats slander or something. I dont know.

In regards to GPS.. I know it may be a pain in the arse to carry around a bluetooth GPS reciever with you but... thats what I do... well sort of I just keep it plugged in and sits on the dash of my truck. Some people may argue that having bluetooth on drains your battery BUT not if its plugged in.. that said I can only imagine what the battery drain on the phone would be to have the GPS antenna (if their is in fact one) turned on while walking around. Maybe no more then having bluetooth on and having the reciever in your pocket or something. Also alot of people use BT earbuds and what not so the BT would be on anyways right? Still it would be nice to not have to rely on the little BT GPS reciever. In the meantime though it hasnt failed me yet so I'm not going to get upset the phone doesnt have GPS... but Wifi, I am just twiddling my thumbs waiting for.

There was a post in the ELF upgrading section about doing a reverse BT pairing to get wifi on the phone. Does anyone in here know how to do that. Before this phone I had a treo 650 and had to change a few settings and what not and change the ip address of not only my laptop but the router at home as well in order to get it to work. That may be a nice substitue for at home or on the road. I know it seems pointless cause.. well if you have your laptop with you then why need to brows on your phone, but some people have skype and other internet based programs that could really benifit from this as they would cut down their data usage 10 fold.

Also, my bedroom at home is fairly fare from the wireless router (going through brick walls and conrete and steel) so if I was able to just plug in my bluetooth reciever to my home PC and get BT wifi in my bedroom... well that would make it so at least in my room I could have wifi (sort of)

[comets8518]

I have the HTC mogul and am likely going to switch (wifi was my big issue, but now it'll just be a perk)...


I can give you all my registry info if that may help. No clue, just a shot in the dark

[dan-htc-touch]

one thought I had, the vogue probably has an empty sdio interface, would have been for a sim card reader, I can't confirm this as I don't have the balls to open mine up, but one could mod in a mini or full size sd slot, and use sd wifi/storage, unless we think microsd wifi will be available anytime soon

[dan-htc-touch]

was just on the line with a telus rep, and she told me that wifi is there, was just disabled before shiping, also signed me up on the $15 unlimited e-mail plan, and informed me that the currently have no way to distinguish between data and email, so it is actually an unlimited data plan, so now I have a bit of time before I have to get wifi figured out. also, there is no word on when a rom update might be available to fix the time always out 1 hour problem at any rate though, wifi is phisically there, I finally took the phone apart, and there is no missing hardware, or any indication that wifi might be missing, and there is a total of 3 antena's connected to the board, I am guessing for phone, bt, and wifi I have been all through the registry, and I can't find anything that would disable wifi, but also nothing that would enable it either, it seems as though it is just missing the nessesary drivers, and reg keys so I really think everyone should pursue tracking that down. I have been trying to convince my buddy on rogers to buy the touch so that I can copy the reg keys and dll's off him, but he does not want to spend the money, so for now I must rely on this forum.

[mbote]

was just on the line with a telus rep, and she told me that wifi is there, was just disabled before shiping, also signed me up on the $15 unlimited e-mail plan, and informed me that the currently have no way to distinguish between data and email, so it is actually an unlimited data plan, so now I have a bit of time before I have to get wifi figured out.

Just remember not tether {use your Touch as wireless modem for your computer}, you probably will get a $85K bill.... because they have a way of knowing when that happens.....
What the Telus rep. failed to tell you is.. the data MUST start and end from your device; thus excluding any attempt of tethering

[ambush276]

well i hope it gets solved soon, i know its their, just need some genius to get it done...

[suk72]

This may be a silly question...
Couldn't we use a usb wifi adapter?
If so which would work with win mobile?

[dan-htc-touch]

to get a usb wifi adapter to work, you would first have to get the usb otg working, and as of yet I have not heard of anyone who has, alot of people don't even know the chipset supports it

[suk72]

I figured usb because when i plug my phone into my laptop it works with my cable connection to go online.
Oh well...i dont know any technical stuff for this.

[510jungleboy]

to get a usb wifi adapter to work, you would first have to get the usb otg working, and as of yet I have not heard of anyone who has, alot of people don't even know the chipset supports it

I ran across somewhere in the registry whenever i am bored and it has a string where it read:

USBIN and Value at 0

Could changing it to 1 enable the USBIN?


Edited: This is on a Sprint Touch CDMA

[dan-htc-touch]

when plugged in for activesync value changes to 0x1, just a reg setting to keep track of what is plugged in

[BBGood]

Well. Bell's is a CDMA version as well, and it also has gsm/wifi disabled, so I too would like to find a way to unlock it and make this part work, most important is the wifi part...really want this puppy to breath so to speak

Tried everyone's hacks and attempts but nothing so far. but hey, I got it to llok like an iPhone on steroids which was a task and a half....:p

[dukenightvision]

Not sure if this gives any people hope at all for the CDMA users out there who want wifi but before I purchased this phone I was debating whether or not to stick with the newest Treo or go to something windows mobile based.. ie the HTC Touch. I ended up choosing the touch after the rep who I dealt with (who is the son of one of the franchise owners, a manager and a friend of mine) had said that the only reason the CDMA version doesnt have wifi enabled was because they wanted clients to use their data plans (duh) that said.. he said they didnt do anything special to the phone other then disable the feature so in theory it can be turned back on.

Now that said, it is just sort of word of mouth from a person whos father is a franchise owner and he himself is a manager at the store... not a tech guy but we weren't even sure untill the day that the device shipped in if it was going to have Wifi or not as like it was said in the post above, the documentation said it has things that in fact it doesn't.

I was confident that either A) a hack would come about to solve this issue or I would just buy one of those new MicroSD Wifi cards that will be coming out. The only downside to the wifi SD cards is you'd will have to swap out the storage card thats in there when you want to use programs or listen to music and when you want wifi you would have to put the other in. Sort of a pain in the ass but really... The Treo phones (at least the palm os versions) arent capable at all of supporting wifi so I decided screw palm and get an HTC where at least theres the posibility of wifi on the phone in the future!

http://www.spectec.com.tw/sdw823.htm
I emailed Spectec, the company that is advertising a microSD WiFi card, and was told by the sales manager that the Sprint HTC Touch does not support SDI/O at this time. HTC would have to release a driver for the Sprint Touch that would enable SDI/O on the Qualcomm chipset.

Email from the sales manager from Spectec:

"Thank you for getting back so quickly and giving me a direct link to check.
Unfortunately, the expansion micro SD slot of the HTC Touch for Sprint does not support SDI/O, not able to use our WiFi card. I was told HTC is considering to release upgrade drive for the expansion slot to support SDI/O. However, I have no idea when the upgraded driver will be done. Thanks for notice."

More info on the availability of the Spectec microSD WiFi card:

Sales manager from Spectec wrote:

"SDW-823 is micro SD I/O WiFi card, for marketing strategy and some technical issues, the product will be held until first quarter of 2008. You may contact us again at more mature time.

To stay away from license fee and for competitive prices wise, all our existing products are without memory. Thanks for notice.

May I know the model of the device you proposed to use our product? I would like to double check the availability and compatibility better."

[ryanbg]

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa916274.aspx

This has all the documentation in Windows Mobile 6 for all the registry keys and what not. I am not sure if this will be any help but hopefully it will. BTW I have a Sprint HTC Touch, that is needs WiFi.

[jwciv]

it exists. does anyone know anyone in India?
http://perfectmart.com/center.htm

[mbote]

it exists. does anyone know anyone in India?
http://perfectmart.com/center.htm

I hate to disapoint you but this link seems to be showing a 'Telus'-branded unit. And Telus is canadian ..... hmmmmm...makes me wonder if what they're saying on their website is true....

let's do some research....

Apparently, HTC seemed to have released the GSM version, i.e. ELF unit, to India.....
http://www.asia.htc.com/Asia/in/products/pda_touch/pda_touch_fea.html
I might be wrong ...

[imneveral0ne]

I hate to disapoint you but this link seems to be showing a 'Telus'-branded unit. And Telus is canadian ..... hmmmmm...makes me wonder if what they're saying on their website is true....

let's do some research....

Apparently, HTC seemed to have released the GSM version, i.e. ELF unit, to India.....
http://www.asia.htc.com/Asia/in/products/pda_touch/pda_touch_fea.html
I might be wrong ...

anything from the GSM verision wont be helpful. at least i dont think.....

[No1ustad]

it exists. does anyone know anyone in India?
http://perfectmart.com/center.htm

WhAT??? the CDMA version is Rs. 4800?? that's like $110...

[jwciv]

I recently purchased the HTC Touch (CDMA) for Alltel and I am sitting on the edge of my seat waiting to read that one of you have solved this mystery. I too have searched the net over for the answer to unlocking the "must be there but disabled and hidden" wifi.
I agree with previous posts about possibly why it was done but I hate like hell that it is on board and I can't use it.
"Keep moving forward"
Oh yeah.... does anyone know if you can swap the housings around regardless of carrier/technology?

[PaNa-S]

so what is the good word now?

[Paperless]

They removed the technical files at:
http://www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/msm7500_chipset.pdf
http://www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/diagram_msm7500_cs.pdf

But you can still find it at:
http://web.archive.org/web/20061102061650/http://www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/msm7500_chipset.pdf
http://web.archive.org/web/20070203200058/http://www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/diagram_msm7500_cs.pdf

[jwciv]

Am I going crazy or does it say in the specs that this device is both GSM and CDMA? And (this part I am making up) depending on your particular carrier, you can have GSM enabled or CDMA and WiFi or not?
"Keep Moving Forward"

[mbote]

Am I going crazy or does it say in the specs that this device is both GSM and CDMA? And (this part I am making up) depending on your particular carrier, you can have GSM enabled or CDMA and WiFi or not?
"Keep Moving Forward"

The confusion comes from the name. In a nutshell, HTC made 2 versions of TOUCH: ELF and VOGUE
Elf is the GSM version and Vogue is the CDMA
None of these devices can be changed to do what the other do (i.e. switch from CDMA to GSM and vice versa)...

As in North America, phones tend to be more a carrier than manufacturer business, ELF devices will only offered by ATT or Rogers (just an example) and VOGUE by Sprint or Bell depending on their network technology.

HTH

[Mad Medik]

The confusion comes from the name. In a nutshell, HTC made 2 versions of TOUCH: ELF and VOGUE
Elf is the GSM version and Vogue is the CDMA
None of these devices can be changed to do what the other do (i.e. switch from CDMA to GSM and vice versa)...

As in North America, phones tend to be more a carrier than manufacturer business, ELF devices will only offered by ATT or Rogers (just an example) and VOGUE by Sprint or Bell depending on their network technology.

HTH

Makes no difference now, but I thought the first release of the CDMA Touch with the smaller memory (maybe lower clock speed too) was called an Elf. This unit had the same clock and memory specs as the GSM. Then they released the "juiced" version with more memory. Some people called this the Touch Enhanced, but I believe this was properly called the Vogue. I could be wrong, but I thought that the low memory CDMA was NOT a Vogue ?

[mbote]

Makes no difference now, but I thought the first release of the CDMA Touch with the smaller memory (maybe lower clock speed too) was called an Elf. This unit had the same clock and memory specs as the GSM. Then they released the "juiced" version with more memory. Some people called this the Touch Enhanced, but I believe this was properly called the Vogue. I could be wrong, but I thought that the low memory CDMA was NOT a Vogue ?

I'll explain a different way ...

The HTC TOUCH released back in July 07 (the one with a smaller memory, etc...) is the ELF, the GSM version.

The HTC Touch that everyone tend to call Sprint Touch is the CDMA, the VOGUE.


Another way to explain this is:
HTC TOUCH released by Alltell(USA), Bell(Canada), Sprint(USA),Telus (Canada) and soon Verizon (USA) is CDMA Touch or if you prefer VOGUE. CDMA phones are generallly sold thru their Carrier, since most of them don't allow foreign phones on their network; because you just don't swap network that easily without carrier authorization

While the rest, is ELF, GSM Touch. Please note, you can buy GSM Touch or ELF from authorized HTC resellers accross the world; thus they have a bigger audience, better and more custom ROM and hacks out there.



CDMA VOGUE touch is young .... just got release on the 2nd half of November 2007


Final Note: I've read that newer GSM Touch (ELF) do have the same memory size than their sister VOGUE.

[jwciv]

Let's not forget the reason we are talking in this thread.... Does anyone know if there is a way to enable the wifi on the cdma touch IF it exists at all?

[LilDrunkenSmurf]

Not sure if this is any help of not, but I was searching the reg and came across this:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/ControlPanel/GPS Settings
Hide = 1

[grktaurus83]

Any news on the progress?

This was probably the most intense thread I've read in a while!

Keep it up guys!

[Touch_Pete]

The reason there are wifi entries in the registry is that there is only one version of Windows mobile 6 professional that runs on all devices (those that include wifi and those that don't). This does not have anything to do with the existence of wifi in the hardware which in the case of the Vogue does not exist. The Qualicom 7500 chip would support the wifi hardware if there was any present but there is not. This is the reason that Bell and Telus in Canada have priced unlimited data cheaply so that they don't lose business to Rogers who have the GSM version of the phone (the elf) that does include wifi. I personally prefer the plan offered by Telus and Bell as I do not have to find a wifi hot spot to surf the net, I can do it pretty much anywhere. So I think this thread should finally be put to bed and closed.

[Huckleberry88]

I'm not sure if this will be of any help but here in china, the htc touch is called dopod s1. Wifi is also disabled but there is a patch you can install to enable it. i have used this patch and it works. the problem is the touch here in china is a gsm version and not cdma. here is the cab....

Alexfendi,

I installed the cab and noticed/tried following:

1. enable the WiFi button in the comm manager
(as the opposite to patch/cab from the extended ROM to hide/deactivate the button)

2. attempts to turn on the WiFi failed
(via comm manager as well as via WLAN settings)

From what I know (at least the previous HTC/dopod models, e.g. Wizard) the mainland China versions come w/o WiFi feature, i.e. no WiFi hardware.

So would be great if you can prove it wrong and confirm once more that you were enable not only to use the buttons but also to connect via WiFi.

Thanks!

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Happy New (Lunar/Chinese) Year!

[Huckleberry88]

The reason there are wifi entries in the registry is that there is only one version of Windows mobile 6 professional that runs on all devices (those that include wifi and those that don't). This does not have anything to do with the existence of wifi in the hardware which in the case of the Vogue does not exist. The Qualicom 7500 chip would support the wifi hardware if there was any present but there is not. This is the reason that Bell and Telus in Canada have priced unlimited data cheaply so that they don't lose business to Rogers who have the GSM version of the phone (the elf) that does include wifi. I personally prefer the plan offered by Telus and Bell as I do not have to find a wifi hot spot to surf the net, I can do it pretty much anywhere. So I think this thread should finally be put to bed and closed.

I would agree with you. This is also my finding when I checked it for my Wizard (Chinese Dopod 838 w/o WiFi) - if it is about some regs only, any change of the ROM would solve it but it did not in my case.

... and just to put another aspect into this discussion, I would suspect something similar to that following approach to re-activate Hermes with dead WiFi would be needed to activate the WLAN hardware (if there is any):

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=322225


Cheers!

[LilDrunkenSmurf]

Having the Bell unlimited plan is an amazing thing, as I can confirm. The reason I personally want wifi is to get the WMWifirouter program to work on the Vogue. As you guys know, Bell can tell when your tethering. I'm not sure how, but they can. I know it's NOT due to bandwidth as I have a torrent program on my phone and they haven't charged me a penny over my plan (and i've already d/led a good GB of data).

So if you guys have an alternative method to tether the phone to a laptop/computer WITHOUT bell finding out and charging me, I'd be happy to hear it.

[diirka]

Im not sure if this will help at all but I would really love it if I could enable the wifi on my sprint touch. My friend and I both got the HTC Touch the same day ( 2 days ago) and his wifi DOES work and mine DOES NOT work. The only difference it he bought his off of ebay and I bought mine through the third party sprint company that I work for. I noticed one weird thing, Even though the two phones aprear to be the same (His does have the sprint logo on it) mine is just a little bigger. It is actually physicly bigger (wider and thicker). I found on one website that sprint took the wifi card out and uped the processor. Does anyone know if this is true? My videos seem to run a little smother than his do. Im no expert on this but I can tell you that mine IS infact bigger than his and that I personaly saw his com manager and there is a wifi button on it. His phone is also working fine on the sprint network. Any input would be great. If you guys need maby I could copy his registry files or something. Just let me know

[rafiki6]

Close this thread. The Sprint Touch or the CDMA2000 version does not have Wifi. It is based of the board for the GSM chipset, since it costs less to produce, but no wifi card is actually installed. Figure it out by now. Man...

[rafiki6]

Having the Bell unlimited plan is an amazing thing, as I can confirm. The reason I personally want wifi is to get the WMWifirouter program to work on the Vogue. As you guys know, Bell can tell when your tethering. I'm not sure how, but they can. I know it's NOT due to bandwidth as I have a torrent program on my phone and they haven't charged me a penny over my plan (and i've already d/led a good GB of data).

So if you guys have an alternative method to tether the phone to a laptop/computer WITHOUT bell finding out and charging me, I'd be happy to hear it.

Data transfer is generally signed as it is moved from device to device. They know when you are tethering, because as the information relays through their network it has a destination stamp on it. Pretty much your phone acts as a gateway to your laptop, much like a router acts as a gateway to your modem. Inorder for me to access my computer I need to have a virtual port enabled on my router to access that computer. Similiarly your phone automatically acts like a router it stamps information being transfered through it. So Bell can tell where the data is being moved. I know of programs that mask your laptop, by relaying a block signature that pretty much removes the stamp from the data being transferred, but these kinds of programs are few and "illegal".

[diirka]

Yea I have read what you said about it not having the wifi card, all I was saying is that I have personaly seen a Touch that is working on the sprint network use wifi. I may be missing something but wouldnt that mean that it has a wifi card?

[rafiki6]

Yea I have read what you said about it not having the wifi card, all I was saying is that I have personaly seen a Touch that is working on the sprint network use wifi. I may be missing something but wouldnt that mean that it has a wifi card?

No you saw one with EvDO working. Not wifi, no CDMA2000 version has Wifi installed this has been established a while a go.

Sorry to inform you...but if your claim is true, prove it, then you would have made a discovery many developers and hackers have been trying to make for quite a while now but have not been successful.

I saw the board of the CDMA version. It has an empty or unsoldered region for the WiFi chip as well as an unused antenna.

They use the same board for the two versions. They both have different chipsets on the otherhand. Economically, the chipset required for the Qualcom Processor could not also accomdate a Wifi card. Otherwise the phone would be much more expensive to produce.

Trust me on this...

[diirka]

well it may not have connected to a wifi network but there is a spot on the com manager for wifi. As for being conected to evdo thats not possible either since I dont live in an EVDO area. I believe you when you say it I guess I just saw wrong. Maby it was just conected to the regular sprint internet but I did see the button for it on the com manager. Sorry for the confusion.

[LilDrunkenSmurf]

Data transfer is generally signed as it is moved from device to device. They know when you are tethering, because as the information relays through their network it has a destination stamp on it. Pretty much your phone acts as a gateway to your laptop, much like a router acts as a gateway to your modem. Inorder for me to access my computer I need to have a virtual port enabled on my router to access that computer. Similiarly your phone automatically acts like a router it stamps information being transfered through it. So Bell can tell where the data is being moved. I know of programs that mask your laptop, by relaying a block signature that pretty much removes the stamp from the data being transferred, but these kinds of programs are few and "illegal".

I really wish I knew of some of these programs =S

Your explanation covers all the bases I was looking for... I was told that it was based on the bandwidth, but having a torrent program on my phone and dling about 2GB or info didn't cause me to have any overages...

[SpudNuts]

If what everyone on this thread is saying is true, i'm a bit pissed. First, the ad that drew me in to purchase my Sprint Touch stated 802.11b/g WIFI and this is a quote from sprint's website:

"Sprint Power Vision gives you fast and easy access to news, sports, weather, music, email, GPS and much more. Enjoy the network that gives you the power to watch live TV, instantly download songs to your phone and play multiplayer games all at broadband speeds"

I have sprint power vision service and have yet to see GPS. If they think that trianglelating my cell signal to show a dot on a map is GPS, they got another thing coming!!!

Also, in the manual, there is instructions for the service options and under "Location Settings" it states:

"Allow the mobile phone network to detect your current location via your device’s built-in GPS chip. This is especially useful in times of emergency."

Near the end of the manual it also states:

Connections
I/O Port - HTC ExtUSB™ : 11-pin mini-USB and audio jack in one Full-speed USB 2.0
HTC - H2Wire support
(ExtUSB is a proprietary connection interface that is trademarked by HTC.)

External Antenna Connector - For connecting to an external phone antenna
GPS - Internal GPS antenna
Wireless Connections - Bluetooth®

I want my WIFI and I want my GPS!!!

[Goo3y]

You could probably do them for that, false advertising.

[tlordon]

im super pissed about not gps and wifi yet..
they said it was going to be released first Q 08.. yet nothing..
i have opened my touch and it appears to have a Wifi antenna and then a bluetooth antenna.. so i think it has wifi..
gps any PCS phone has GPS>> even my 7 year old aircard

[motohans]

Hello Everybody,

I have installed the "chiniese" patch to enable wifi on my Touch Dual. Now, the CommCentre doesn't work at all. The phone says, that it failed to reading "Software\HTC\CommManager\5"... How do I get rid off all the changes, the patch has done to the registry?

Best wishes,

Motohans

[rafiki6]

Don't mean to be a jerk but please close this thread.

FYI, the Touch Dual is codenamed the Nike so if you have any questions please defer them over there.

Finally, the Vogue, which is the Sprint model of the Touch, does not have a wifi chip installed. Yes it has the slots for them because it uses the same PCB, but does not actually have the Wifi chip installed.

CLOSE THIS THREAD!!!

[motohans]

OK, close the tread, but please help me with my problem first.:confused:

[imneveral0ne]

OK, close the tread, but please help me with my problem first.:confused:

I'm sure the people in the Nike forum would be able to help you out....

[motohans]

I will do that. But I have found this patch in this forum... Perhaps, somebody had the same problem...

[GnatGoSplat]

Finally, the Vogue, which is the Sprint model of the Touch, does not have a wifi chip installed. Yes it has the slots for them because it uses the same PCB, but does not actually have the Wifi chip installed.


Where is the place for this chip? I'm looking at the PCB photos on the FCC here, if the link works (https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=818518&native_or_pdf=pdf). I'm not seeing where a Wifi chip could go.
I only see a big empty space for RUIM card.

[derekwilkinson]

Does anyone know if it is possible to somehow get the WiFi chip to be soldered on the board? I know it would be practically impossible to get one off of a GSM Touch, but maybe it would be, and then have it soldered on to the correct place on the CDMA Touch? If this could be done, WiFi could be added from a GSM Touch (a broken one could be purchased to save $$$).

[rafiki6]

Please don't revive old threads, post this topic in the Vogue forum.