Phantasm Music Player

[40th Floor]

Updated the DBC so I've pulled the cab that was here. I don't want to post another cab since at least one person was way too confused to figure it out without the docs (5-pg PDF). But at least for that confused guy, the DBC is even simpler now.

... and then there were nine

The user guide is nice and short, too, only at 20pgs not as short as before, but it's got pretty pictures this time. Since I can't attach it on this very old post, I've made a new post and (maybe, if it works) put it there (the UG that is, since last time I didn't have the space).

[chriscsh]

:confused:
i cant access to your homepage for more detail,
pls check it
thanks:)

[syrguy1969]

Here is the homepage of the music player, if that is what you wanted:

http://phantasm.40th.com/

[SciFer]

homepage doesn't work, do you have another link?

[Demens]

This is so not worthy of my time.

1. Build a website that actually works. With enough screenshots.
2. Make a trial version that doesn't make me want to kill the author. Seriously? Email 4 lines of number-garbage just to test it for few minutes? Look down from your tower of babel, there are people with lives down here.
3. The moment your database configuration tool (good luck explaining that to a average user) requested for moving and rebuilding my storage card, i just cancelled everything. You might want to make it more understandable. I guess it's for telling the software where the music is.

Edit: Here, i shot a quick video of the parts that i did manage to test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZJa87Gsl1Y

[apirec]

Thanks for the video (I like the soundtrack! :p ), so I don't have to waste my... er... test the progam myself. :)

[haiopei]

I love this video :D :D :D

Your hands speaks a lot of words in this video :D

*rotfl*

btw:the sound is lovely too

[stpete111]

Add throw-scrolling via finger/thumb (ala Iphone) and album art scrolling to this app, and I'll pay your price.

[nothin]

respect for 40iplay..

[lepsyfou]

This is so not worthy of my time.

1. Build a website that actually works. With enough screenshots.
2. Make a trial version that doesn't make me want to kill the author. Seriously? Email 4 lines of number-garbage just to test it for few minutes? Look down from your tower of babel, there are people with lives down here.
3. The moment your database configuration tool (good luck explaining that to a average user) requested for moving and rebuilding my storage card, i just cancelled everything. You might want to make it more understandable. I guess it's for telling the software where the music is.

Edit: Here, i shot a quick video of the parts that i did manage to test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZJa87Gsl1Y



YOUR VIDEO IS COOL mdr

[Menneisyys]

homepage doesn't work, do you have another link?

It won't work - the vast majority of the world is banned from there. According to the developer, most people are plain criminals; this is why they're banned from his site.

I really recommend the following links for more info: http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread.php?t=147371 , http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread.php?t=148599 , http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread.php?t=119752 and http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread.php?t=140481

[KarhU]

It won't work - the vast majority of the world is banned from there. According to the developer, most people are plain criminals; this is why they're banned from his site.

I really recommend the following links for more info: http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread.php?t=147371 , http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread.php?t=148599 , http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread.php?t=119752 and http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread.php?t=140481

Man... This guy is paranoid. Everybody is speaking great of his app but it seems nobody can download it (and pay for it...).

[mushipkw]

Here is the Demo version of this

[benjammin]

This is so not worthy of my time.

1. Build a website that actually works. With enough screenshots.
2. Make a trial version that doesn't make me want to kill the author. Seriously? Email 4 lines of number-garbage just to test it for few minutes? Look down from your tower of babel, there are people with lives down here.
3. The moment your database configuration tool (good luck explaining that to a average user) requested for moving and rebuilding my storage card, i just cancelled everything. You might want to make it more understandable. I guess it's for telling the software where the music is.

Edit: Here, i shot a quick video of the parts that i did manage to test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZJa87Gsl1Y

It sucks that people come out with great products like this, but then get discouraged b/c people like you post crap like this. Did you really have a hard time figuring this out? Maybe get an iPhone instead of windows mobile. It took me all of 2 minutes to figure it out and catalog all of the music on my 8525. You ask this person to look down from their tower 'cuz people have a real life and cant copy and paste 4 lines into an email (5 seconds at most...learn how to use your device), yet you have time to post a video on YouTube and even add a musical background.

Get real. Ive never ever posted something bad in any forum, but after reading your reply, seeing your video, and then testing the thing out myself, i just couldnt keep my mouth shut cuz you're completely ridiculous and apparently dont know how to...hell i dont even know. Think? Problem solve? Read? All of the above i guess.

[benjammin]

This is so not worthy of my time.

1. Build a website that actually works. With enough screenshots.


Edit: Here, i shot a quick video of the parts that i did manage to test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZJa87Gsl1Y

Oh, by the way, he actually posted a VIDEO, not just screenshots...if you can figure out how to download it and know how to use Windows Media Player on your desktop PC (you have used a PC before right?)

[DaVince]

This is so not worthy of my time.

1. Build a website that actually works. With enough screenshots.
2. Make a trial version that doesn't make me want to kill the author. Seriously? Email 4 lines of number-garbage just to test it for few minutes? Look down from your tower of babel, there are people with lives down here.
3. The moment your database configuration tool (good luck explaining that to a average user) requested for moving and rebuilding my storage card, i just cancelled everything. You might want to make it more understandable. I guess it's for telling the software where the music is.

Edit: Here, i shot a quick video of the parts that i did manage to test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZJa87Gsl1Y

Thanks. Saved me lots of time on trying that piece of crap.

[nothin]

please, DO NOT say anything bad about that man.
like i said - he made BEST music player for ppc's, i am amazed by his 40tiplay.
i think its very original person, but geez, do you always need beverly hills 90210 fockin sweetness?

respect, 40th Floor, trust me, you are able to make amazing things.

just stop looking for Touch era users... i think you are just not known here(its second or even third, sad era of ppc's now..;/).

btw, contact me, i want to buy 40tiplay..need info how to do that.

regardless of above: uh, is that presented program(phantasm) yours or someones else , i am confused a bit.

[Menneisyys]

please, DO NOT say anything bad about that man.
like i said - he made BEST music player for ppc's, i am amazed by his 40tiplay.
i think its very original person, but geez, do you always need beverly hills 90210 fockin sweetness?

respect, 40th Floor, trust me, you are able to make amazing things.

just stop looking for Touch era users... i think you are just not known here(its second or even third, sad era of ppc's now..;/).

btw, contact me, i want to buy 40tiplay..need info how to do that.

regardless of above: uh, is that presented program(phantasm) yours or someones else , i am confused a bit.

Actually, we're in the same boat. If you read my past generic multimedia-related articles, I've recommended iPlay the most because of its 1, excellent CPU usage 2, groundbreaking reverb effect, which really enhances ALL kinds of content.

However, the developer, it seems, considers everyone outside the U.S. criminal... he hasn't even answered my mails where I've told him I'd pay for his stuff to be reviewed and I'm not asking for a freebie (I've purchased the full Pocket Music, both the PPC and the Symbian versions of CorePlayer and Nero Mobile Digital so that I can review them without always asking for review copies. (Yeah, it was too late when I noticed Pocket Music actually had a full-working trial version. No problem, at least I contributed to the player's future development.)) ...

All in all, I'm absolutely sure you won't be able to actually buy a copy of his stuff either - if you can't access his homepage (because, in most cases, you're outside the U.S.), then, you're a criminal. Just like me and a lot of AximSite folks. According to him, of course.

[Menneisyys]

Tested the demo - indeed it's even more crippled than past iPlay 5 demos. You MUST request a trial code from their homepage in order to even make it run (to pass the initial screen - if you just close it, then, any menu operation will result in an immediate exit). This completely sucks.

All in all, it's a no-go for the Multimedia Bible either.

[Blowfish64]

It sucks that people come out with great products like this, but then get discouraged b/c people like you post crap like this. Did you really have a hard time figuring this out? Maybe get an iPhone instead of windows mobile. It took me all of 2 minutes to figure it out and catalog all of the music on my 8525. You ask this person to look down from their tower 'cuz people have a real life and cant copy and paste 4 lines into an email (5 seconds at most...learn how to use your device), yet you have time to post a video on YouTube and even add a musical background.

Get real. Ive never ever posted something bad in any forum, but after reading your reply, seeing your video, and then testing the thing out myself, i just couldnt keep my mouth shut cuz you're completely ridiculous and apparently dont know how to...hell i dont even know. Think? Problem solve? Read? All of the above i guess.

So I'm thinking you're either a mindless fanboy or probably the author himself using a fake username. It doesn't matter how good your software is, dude. You're never going to make any money off it because the simple fact of the matter is that you're a douche.

By the way:

PHANTSM - n. - Something apparently seen but having no physical reality

What an appropriate name for your product.

[KukurikU]

hey, you 40th floor! want a cracked ver of yr player?

[KukurikU]

This is so not worthy of my time.

1. Build a website that actually works. With enough screenshots.
2. Make a trial version that doesn't make me want to kill the author. Seriously? Email 4 lines of number-garbage just to test it for few minutes? Look down from your tower of babel, there are people with lives down here.
3. The moment your database configuration tool (good luck explaining that to a average user) requested for moving and rebuilding my storage card, i just cancelled everything. You might want to make it more understandable. I guess it's for telling the software where the music is.

Edit: Here, i shot a quick video of the parts that i did manage to test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZJa87Gsl1Y

lol! really, why did you bother to write something in yr post?
the movie was enough!
this guy is not paranoid! he is nuts! "warez jockeys" in "dark alleys" kind of nuts (see his posts http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread.php?t=147371 , http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread.php?t=148599 , http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread.php?t=119752 and http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread.php?t=140481).
he suffered a childhood trauma (maybe he was kidnapped by a "warez jockey"). he and his wonderful player against the world, at least over 90% of it.
all i can say is [quote] haha![and of quote]

[Menneisyys]

It sucks that people come out with great products like this, but then get discouraged b/c people like you post crap like this. Did you really have a hard time figuring this out? Maybe get an iPhone instead of windows mobile. It took me all of 2 minutes to figure it out and catalog all of the music on my 8525. You ask this person to look down from their tower 'cuz people have a real life and cant copy and paste 4 lines into an email (5 seconds at most...learn how to use your device), yet you have time to post a video on YouTube and even add a musical background.

Get real. Ive never ever posted something bad in any forum, but after reading your reply, seeing your video, and then testing the thing out myself, i just couldnt keep my mouth shut cuz you're completely ridiculous and apparently dont know how to...hell i dont even know. Think? Problem solve? Read? All of the above i guess.


Please note that some stuff is offered for Americans, which we Europeans are NOT allowed to do. One of them is the ability to ask for at least a f*cking trial regcode, let alone buying the app. (I'd happily purhase it, even if, currently, my main multimedia source is the Nokia N95 because of the vastly better A2DP quality, the built-in speakers and the weight of the thing. After all, I've purchased several other apps I've, then, reviewed: Nero Mobile Pro, Pocket Music etc.)

I've sent the dev SEVERAL mails asking him about purchasing his app. I haven't ever received any answer. For him, I'm just a fucking criminal because I happen to live in Europe and he seems to hate Europeans because a Dutch guy cracked his 4.x series of iPlay . ONE inhabitant of Europe... yes, he's putting blame on each and every European because of this... ridiculous!!!

[40th Floor]

Please note that some stuff is offered for Americans, which we Europeans are NOT allowed to do. One of them is the ability to ask for at least a f*cking trial regcode, let alone buying the app. (I'd happily purhase it, even if, currently, my main multimedia source is the Nokia N95 because of the vastly better A2DP quality, the built-in speakers and the weight of the thing. After all, I've purchased several other apps I've, then, reviewed: Nero Mobile Pro, Pocket Music etc.)

I've sent the dev SEVERAL mails asking him about purchasing his app. I haven't ever received any answer. For him, I'm just a fucking criminal because I happen to live in Europe and he seems to hate Europeans because a Dutch guy cracked his 4.x series of iPlay . ONE inhabitant of Europe... yes, he's putting blame on each and every European because of this... ridiculous!!!There you go again, Menn., off with the BS. Now you see why I ignore you. Second, it's easy to ignore you because, like I've said a few times over the years, I've never gotten any mail from you (and have recently added to that, am glad). Third, you are way too buddy-buddy with warez-holes. Fourth, he was not Dutch, but a Russian (matter of fact, he's even mentioned by name in the Warez "news" thread here at xda, so much for his "honor roll" status, but then this was way back in Sept 2005, using an already outdated build from 2004). Oh, right -- well, you're just so full of it I don't really care to itemize and correct all your (typical internet) nonsense. Haha. It's funny, though, you are going off your rocker more and more, lately, at least when I have the misfortune of having to read your BS ("I Am Menn. Read what I wrote!"). And, just to make sure you understand, pfffft! haha

P.S. I spent 10 years over there, not to mention the Far East (where the heck is that?). Let's see. English was not my first language. Uh-huh. What else..., well, haha, you are such a butt! but that's hardly news. Now, I do have a life so I have to get back to it. Try to get one, you may find you don't have to BS so much to get attention.

Hope the excess quote is not too bad. No telling what all you wrote so I just left the pile as you dumped it.

[KukurikU]

There you go again, Menn., off with the BS. Now you see why I ignore you. Second, it's easy to ignore you because, like I've said a few times over the years, I've never gotten any mail from you (and have recently added to that, am glad). Third, you are way too buddy-buddy with warez-holes. Fourth, he was not Dutch, but a Russian (matter of fact, he's even mentioned by name in the Warez "news" thread here at xda, so much for his "honor roll" status, but then this was way back in Sept 2005, using an already outdated build from 2004). Oh, right -- well, you're just so full of it I don't really care to itemize and correct all your (typical internet) nonsense. Haha. It's funny, though, you are going off your rocker more and more, lately, at least when I have the misfortune of having to read your BS ("I Am Menn. Read what I wrote!"). And, just to make sure you understand, pfffft! haha

P.S. I spent 10 years over there, not to mention the Far East (where the heck is that?). Let's see. English was not my first language. Uh-huh. What else..., well, haha, you are such a butt! but that's hardly news. Now, I do have a life so I have to get back to it. Try to get one, you may find you don't have to BS so much to get attention.

Hope the excess quote is not too bad. No telling what all you wrote so I just left the pile as you dumped it.

i begin to like this guy. i think he's funny! his "haha" make me always smile.
he is so pleased with himself....his warezomania is hilarious!
pity he is so stupid not to realize that there are tens (maybe hundreds) of apps like his player to choose from. we don't need him, he does need us to sell his product. he is so scared of what is in the bottle that he prefer to die from thirst than open it. interesting case......in the end, somebody is going to crack his app and he is going to commit suicide.....his last words are going to be:
"haha" !

[Menneisyys]

There you go again, Menn., off with the BS. Now you see why I ignore you.

Should I do the same when writing a Multimedia Bible? After all, your choice - it's OK with me if you kindly let me reduce the work I need to do by not even letting me purchase your stuff. After all, an app to review less - some hours of work less for me, reviewing- and testing-wise.

Second, it's easy to ignore you because, like I've said a few times over the years, I've never gotten any mail from you (and have recently added to that, am glad).


That's a blatant lie. I've sent you a PM at Brighthand almost two years ago - and it was just one occasion of the several (I've also sent you several over your homepage - when it still had the "mail me" link.) I've sent you two mails at mai********@40th.com on 10/31/2007 and jae*******@40th.com from my Pocket PC Mag.com address on 11/20/2007, asking you how I can purchase your stuff (via either VISA or PayPal) so that I can review it in the MM Bible.

Third, you are way too buddy-buddy with warez-holes.

You surely can prove your point. Let me see. If you are unable to do so: well, then, I uderstand why you got banned from AximSite when you accused some community leaders there with pretty much the same.


Fourth, he was not Dutch, but a Russian (matter of fact, he's even mentioned by name in the Warez "news" thread here at xda, so much for his "honor roll" status

Then it was Russian. Doesn't matter, as I aren't Russian either. "Just" a European that also suffers from your idiotic "let's ban the world, but, at least Europe!" approach.

P.S. I spent 10 years over there, not to mention the Far East (where the heck is that?). Let's see. English was not my first language.

What has to do with the subject? You sound like some racist like "Well, I, in general, have no problems with race X and have a lot of friends from there BUT...". A flawed argument, don't you think? You're banning most of Europe - not only Russia, but a shitload of other, even West-European countries. That's a fact. You don't need to tell me you've been living here for 10 years because it simply doesn't change the fact you're banning billions of people just because they don't happen to live in the U.S.

[GermanGuy]

Just to get back to the subject. I bought phantasm and it is an awesome program. Love it. His support is outstanding as well. His response is quick and detailed.

[KukurikU]

Just to get back to the subject. I bought phantasm and it is an awesome program. Love it. His support is outstanding as well. His response is quick and detailed.
you must be "the chosen one". this should be considered as a non warez certificate.
i really don't understand what's all the fuss about! i've seen testimonials that the player is hifi but only if you can afford an expensive set of headphones with it.
who needs hifi in his ppc? you don't need hifi in the bus, gym or in the street, the usual places where we usually listen to music from our ppc. if i want hifi i'll listen to my hifi set at home.
it seems that the harder this paranoid guy try not to sell, the harder everybody wants to buy. a genial salesman? i bet he's drolling over the perspective to have for clients all of us but he don't dare.....warezomania is a very serious, chronically disease!
let him be, close this topic!
i am taking it very personal that he is comming here, where there are so many creators that share for free, where warez is banned and keep poisoning us with his paranoia.
in every forum he appears (to promote!!! his product) he very soon become the laughing stock of everybody. let him go and "sell" somewhere else!!

[KukurikU]

i hope this will stop all the speculations and the exaggerated attention paid to this guy! you have the possibility to see it and test it. if you like it try and buy it (good luck!)
anybody that want the link to dl the 40iplayer 4.8... **** Edited out by Menneisyys **** .
my personal believe: don't use warez buy the product! of course if somebody is selling it.

[Menneisyys]

i hope this will stop all the speculations and the exaggerated attention paid to this guy! you have the possibility to see it and test it. if you like it try and buy it (good luck!)
anybody that want the link to dl the 40iplayer 4.8... **** Edited out by Menneisyys **** .
my personal believe: don't use warez buy the product! of course if somebody is selling it.


sorry, I took out the explanation of getting his warezed stuff - however much I disagree with the 40th Floor folks, even indirect warez links / explanations of getting them are forbidden. Let's keep it legal guys :)

[Menneisyys]

you must be "the chosen one". this should be considered as a non warez certificate.

Yup, he's in America - this is why the page works for him. The 40th Floor folks seem to be heavily racist against everyone non-American...

[colonel00]

For the record, I am in the heart of America and I cannot get his page to work. I have tried from work and home.

[tomazez]

Let me say something about this,

i think this guy(40th...) is just too funny, with his ridiculous statements about warez and living ten years in the far east. Com on!

I have a few questions though for yall(anybody may answer just for fun:P):

1. Do you want to make much money out of this 'player'?
2. Do you know what marketing is?
3. Why is your name 40th floor?
4. Are you desperate for attention?
5. Are you that kind of person that hates all the foreigners, the rednack type(or something like that)?
6. Are you proud of your player?
7. Are you proud of your website?
Well, i think thats it, haha.

Good luck guys!

Cheers,

TOMAZEZ OOOOOOUT!

[KukurikU]

sorry, I took out the explanation of getting his warezed stuff - however much I disagree with the 40th Floor folks, even indirect warez links / explanations of getting them are forbidden. Let's keep it legal guys :)
no problem. sorry for (indirectly) breaking the rules.
after seeing it i have one more observation. the player can be used only with the stick, and you have to sharpen it "haha" !

[Menneisyys]

the player can be used only with the stick, and you have to sharpen it "haha" !

Yeah, the interface should be reworked / made D-pad / Smartphone-friendly.

[KukurikU]

Yeah, the interface should be reworked / made D-pad / Smartphone-friendly.
oh my god! you download it? busted!:p LOL!
now you can write yr review! waiting........

[Menneisyys]

oh my god! you download it? busted!:p LOL!
now you can write yr review! waiting........

Nope, I've referred to the 4.x and early 5.x series iPlay demos I had the chance to test back in january (thanks to some community members mailing them >:) ).

[GermanGuy]

Yup, he's in America - this is why the page works for him. The 40th Floor folks seem to be heavily racist against everyone non-American...

Wait a minute. I am German!!!!

[Menneisyys]

Wait a minute. I am German!!!!

"Location: Minneapolis MN"

:)

(From Germany, you'll hardly be able to even see his homepage.)

EDIT: I've been told in the meantime that SOME German ISP's are allowed and some aren't.

[Mort]

"Location: Minneapolis MN"
:)
You don't need to be American to live in the USA. ;)

(From Germany, you'll hardly be able to even see his homepage.)
With any re-router like a proxy server or anonymizer tools, that shouldn't be so hard.

EDIT: I've been told in the meantime that SOME German ISP's are allowed and some aren't.
Didn't try it. I think someone who tries to sell software only to "chosen ones" shouldn't wonder if almost nobody buys it, even if it was the best player out there...

[Menneisyys]

With any re-router like a proxy server or anonymizer tools, that shouldn't be so hard.



Yeah, I've tried a lot of anonymizer proxies - none of them worked.

[hrb]

I don't understand what problems you guys have.
I have installed the demo version of phantasm, mailed the 4 keys and got an answer within 1 day from 40th.
....and I am a European living in Europe....

Maybe you should consider an old french saying: c'est le ton qui fait la musique

Cheers
hrb

[whysolate]

40th Floor is German? His email has a german name...

[Menneisyys]

I don't understand what problems you guys have.
I have installed the demo version of phantasm, mailed the 4 keys and got an answer within 1 day from 40th.
....and I am a European living in Europe....

You might have missed the point: for some billion people, 40th's homepage is inaccessible and any way of purchasing his stuff is plain impossible.

Maybe you should consider an old french saying: c'est le ton qui fait la musique


"It's not what you say but how you say it"? I don't know what this has to do with the subject.

Finally, what do you really expect when a paranoid guy like him calls community leaders like me "Third, you are way too buddy-buddy with warez-holes". When I asked him to prove his point, he just refused to answer. He's paranoid - that's the problem. (BTW, it's not only me that he seems to really dislike. There are some other guys - also comm. leaders - at the PPCMag forums, AximSite and several other sites that he has managed to make enemies with.)

[marco899]

Yeah, I've tried a lot of anonymizer proxies - none of them worked.

This one does : http://www.webdico.com/red/
I was just currious about the site and with the above one you can take a look.

[Menneisyys]

40th Floor, I've privately e-mailed you the following stuff, but also post it in public:


"Hi,

Frankly, I don’t understand why you hate me so much... because I’m a community leader at AximSite too – and on several other sites? Another “news editor” at AximSite used your cracked stuff and you promptly generalize and think all of us AximSite leaders are pirates? Well, doesn’t matter – I am ready to forget all this, if you don’t want to continue this stupid flamewar either.

Currently, as you may now, I’m working on the Multimedia Bible (you might have already read two of its excerpts now). Probably you guess that means tens of hundreds of readers. If you don’t want to see iPlay / Phantasm in there, it’s no problem with me. However, if you do want to use this as a chance to do some advertising, I’m ready to include it in the tests. Based on my previous experience with it, it’ll become at least a “Recommended”, particularly if you support both local and streamed HE AAC v2 playback - do you?

As I’ve stated in my prev mails, I’m ready to pay for your app – I’m not asking for freebies."

[Menneisyys]

This one does : http://www.webdico.com/red/
I was just currious about the site and with the above one you can take a look.


Thanks - a no-go either. BTW, do you have direct access to his site?

[marco899]

Thanks - a no-go either. BTW, do you have direct access to his site?

And with this one:
http://www.webdico.com/red/index.php?q=aHR0cDovL3BoYW50YXNtLjQwdGguY29tLw%3D% 3D&hl=2ed and click on "surf now"

And yes i have direct acces with the proxy.

[KukurikU]

This one does : http://www.webdico.com/red/
I was just currious about the site and with the above one you can take a look.
working. thanks, thru the back door....lol

[Menneisyys]

Of course, I meant "thousands" by "hundreds".

Nevertheless, I've been waiting for over two days for the "proof" of my being a "pirate". A single, simple evidence. Or, is simply being a community leader at AximSite suffices? :D

[KarhU]

Of course, I meant "thousands" by "hundreds".

Nevertheless, I've been waiting for over two days for the "proof" of my being a "pirate". A single, simple evidence. Or, is simply being a community leader at AximSite suffices? :D

Well - you are Microsoft MVP. Microsoft Software is probably the most pirated software in the world. And M$ actions imply Microsoft really does not like pirates - see their financing of BSA and other pirate hunters. I think it means that this title would not be awarded to a person that is a pirate or encourages such activities. You are one of best known members of this community and I can say that I have seen tens of post where you erased/edited warez link and/or banned the users providing such a stuff.

Honestly I do not get it why this thread was not locked yet - commercial software authors usually pay for advertising here or get their posts locked (see the case of FingerFriendlyFriends). This guy also blatantly violates the forum rules by his trolls and flaming. If he does not want people to download and pay for his software it is just his thing - he does not have to apologize for his decisions. His actions and calling other people names is a different matter though. The reason which he uses is ridiculous, but it is his right to think so as much as it is our right to tell him to return back where he came from.

[Menneisyys]

Honestly I do not get it why this thread was not locked yet - commercial software authors usually pay for advertising here or get their posts locked (see the case of FingerFriendlyFriends). This guy also blatantly violates the forum rules by his trolls and flaming.

You have a point there... I'm still keeping this thread open because I really would like to find out why the dev is so goddamn paranoid. And, to get an evidence of my having dark alley buds :D The guy still haven't delivered it.

BTW, at AximSite (see the linked threads), some people have even stated his player is based on stolen code and this is why he doesn't want to get more exposure / bans half of the world from his homepage. Dunno if it's true.

[manaaa]

You have a point there... I'm still keeping this thread open because I really would like to find out why the dev is so goddamn paranoid. And, to get an evidence of my having dark alley buds :D The guy still haven't delivered it.

BTW, at AximSite (see the linked threads), some people have even stated his player is based on stolen code and this is why he doesn't want to get more exposure / bans half of the world from his homepage. Dunno if it's true.

go and ask him, heres a registrand
http://www.whois.de/de/showwhois.php?domain=40th.com

:P

[Menneisyys]

go and ask him, heres a registrand
http://www.whois.de/de/showwhois.php?domain=40th.com

:P

You mean flying to 6402 INGRAM RD, SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78238? Not worth the trouble - after all, clicking a button and sending me a simple answer only takes a few seconds :)

[KukurikU]

found ver 4.85. this time english menus.
@Menneisyys : read yr mail/pm!

[Menneisyys]

Still no evidence of my being a pirate or, at least, having connections to pirates... :D

[KukurikU]

Still no evidence of my being a pirate or, at least, having connections to pirates... :D
i think you meant jockey warez and you ..you know me:D the connections is going to happen later...i guess...."haha"
stop being so "heavy" about what this frick said or is saying.
close the damn topic. i know you have better things to do!

[Menneisyys]

close the damn topic. i know you have better things to do!

Well, I would still like to see him explaining what he bases his calling half odf the world "criminal" - not only me, but tons of other community leaders. For example, he has also called "criminal" one of the HPC Factor community leaders because she wasn't able to access his homepage either....

[Menneisyys]

Well, I would still like to see him explaining what he bases his calling half odf the world "criminal" - not only me, but tons of other community leaders. For example, he has also called "criminal" one of the HPC Factor community leaders because she wasn't able to access his homepage either....

Poor 40th Floor still doesn't have anything to say...

[nonegiven]

I tried 40thiplay and removed it since it couldn't handle AVRCP commands.

[40th Floor]

The very, very simple UG as mentioned from #1

[littld]

Is there likely to be a working version?

[nothin]

40th Floor, can i have test version....at last?
just goddamn link?

[Blowfish64]

Why is this thread still open? This is commercial software. Doesn't he need to pay to advertise like this?

[nonegiven]

40th Floor, can i have test version....at last?
just goddamn link?
You can always download the "free" version.

[nothin]

You can always download the "free" version.

uh, i just want to test this app... previous 40th Floor's player was awesome..

[maxstep]

Guys, any way to access 40th webiste from Canada? I tried all proxies, browsers, configs, etc. I can't. I REALLY want to just buy that goddamn palyer. 40th, if you reading this - why forbid access from Canada? Anyway, please if anyone knows email address of this guy, share it. Really want to buy 40iplay.
P.S. jaegermeisterQB6a@40th.com doesn't work.

[nonegiven]

uh, i just want to test this app... previous 40th Floor's player was awesome..
So just download the "free" version and test it.

[maxstep]

I WANNA BUY GODDAMN PLAYER!
This is ridiculous. I want to buy software, and apparently I can't. Guys. Please.
Any help in getting in touch with 40th floor would be greatly appreciated.
Btw, what's the difference between phantasm and 40iplay? As i said before, i cant access website using any means, so all i tested was an old v4 beta of 40iplay and i found it to be
simply amazing. I really want to buy either 40iplay or phantasm, depending on differences between them. Anyone?

[flaviopac]

Anyone has a screenshot??

[nothin]

i am lolling reading that thread, m8s lol.
i realized whole madness.

Guys, any way to access 40th webiste from Canada?

lol, nope, Canada is enemy of U.S.A(as rest of world is, hm).
so it is player, that exists, but you cannot use it to see, if it is ok software, or not.

we can sip beer and lol.

so sit w/ me and lol too.

try to relax and give us product, website and information, 40th Floor.
users are waiting...:S

[KarhU]

try to relax and give us product, website and information, 40th Floor.
users are waiting...:S

Not only users, some cash to be spent too. This product has the best marketing - word of mouth marketing - people are crazy for it, but sales department seems to neglect the demand it created.

This is not a way how to fight piracy, businesses with this approach have to go bankrupt. This seems to be a work of love with huge amount of time invested. If this is the case, we will not be able to buy the player, because it's author does not mind the loss of money or potential customers. 40thFloor - are you developing the players for yourself or for others too?

[nothin]

author doesn't seem to care 'bout money..
or he's very careful to not make people think in such way..

i am curious about any 40th floor mark things since 40thiplay.
it is unusual project/author(/s), imo.

[KarhU]

author doesn't seem to care 'bout money..
or he's very careful to not make people think in such way..

i am curious about any 40th floor mark things since 40thiplay.
it is unusual project/author(/s), imo.

Yeah, he behaves oddly and the amount of space he has been given at this forum is also unusual (he is quite aggressive but has not been banned, he is advertising his own commercial app, yet his thread was not closed). But anyway, if just a half of what people say about his player is true, then it is simply the best one (un)available on the market.

[Blowfish64]

THEORETICALLY, of course, I think circumstances like this are pretty morally ambiguous. Sure you can say stealing or pirating is wrong, but for what reason? What's the end result of such actions in this case? Downloading the "free" version certainly isn't going to have an adverse impact on 40th floor because he refuses to sell it. No profit lost, no damage inflicted on the author. I suppose you could argue from a deontological position that "stealing" is always wrong, but on what do you base the argument? Certainly from a utilitarian perspective there's nothing wrong with it. Actually from a utilitarian perspective it'd be wrong NOT to download it for free if the author refuses to want to make a profit. So what's your arguments pro or con guys? Hopefully you'll flood this thread with so much banter that they'll have to close it like they should have already done from the FIRST POST!

[Duron23]

THEORETICALLY, of course, I think circumstances like this are pretty morally ambiguous. Sure you can say stealing or pirating is wrong, but for what reason? What's the end result of such actions in this case? Downloading the "free" version certainly isn't going to have an adverse impact on 40th floor because he refuses to sell it. No profit lost, no damage inflicted on the author. I suppose you could argue from a deontological position that "stealing" is always wrong, but on what do you base the argument? Certainly from a utilitarian perspective there's nothing wrong with it. Actually from a utilitarian perspective it'd be wrong NOT to download it for free if the author refuses to want to make a profit. So what's your arguments pro or con guys? Hopefully you'll flood this thread with so much banter that they'll have to close it like they should have already done from the FIRST POST!

Hi every body, I have searched many of the forums, every body talks about the player, and say it is the best out there, but none has the software, I guess it is just a myth, no actuall software exits, you all you want is to listen to good music on your pocket pc, buy a really good pair of headphone and use any of the music player, it will sound good.

[nonegiven]

I have the software but it's nothing special. Phantasm, Zircon, and 40iPlay v6. All worked fine but were nothing out of the ordinary.

[40th Floor]

I have the software but it's nothing special. Phantasm, Zircon, and 40iPlay v6. All worked fine but were nothing out of the ordinary.

From your post

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1852424&postcount=68

you may not know that "your" version is a few years old and was hacked up pretty bad to make it sort of work. It's unlikely you use, or have tried, the others (and could still make such ignorant remarks). Oh, psst, it's people like you that give this place its bad name.

Hey, somebody told me I was banned from xda. Guess not. I'll have to work on that.

http://phantasm.40th.com/gfx/ipaq310.png

[nonegiven]

From your post

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1852424&postcount=68

you may not know that "your" version is a few years old and was hacked up pretty bad to make it sort of work. It's unlikely you use, or have tried, the others (and could still make such ignorant remarks). Oh, psst, it's people like you that give this place its bad name.

Hey, somebody told me I was banned from xda. Guess not. I'll have to work on that.

http://phantasm.40th.com/gfx/ipaq310.png
What others? I posted the three that I've tried. Is there a newer version of 40iPlay than v6?

Edit: Technically, I'm using 40iPlay v6.1

[brunoisa10]

40th Floor : you need to learn how to use a PPC or redesign your application for your big fingers

hey all : I hope you are more easy than him using your programs

LOL haha

I don't need such an application : video is ridiculous


One post not serious into thousand of very interesting posts

I can't stop laughing :D

thank you for this funny slice of time, and go home now :D

[jadephyre]

Oh, psst, it's people like you that give this place its bad name.

And it's arrogant thugs like you that piss everyone here off.
I wanted to try your software, really, but since your Site obviously is banning me from downloading the latest trial, i will stick with my BOUGHT copy of PocketPlayer.
You really should think about the way you're trying to do Business here.
The Attitude, the massive IP-Range Blacklist, all of this is driving People away from your Product.

Oh and just because some jerks have posted links to pirated software here or have asked for cracks, doesn't mean that the whole frickin' community here is out to pirate YOUR software or any other software for that matter...
Get a grip Cowboy, and holster that Flamewar-Sidearm.

[TacoLoco]

there are better apps out there even for criminal europeans like me :rolleyes:

[nonegiven]

Anyone who wants the newest version of 40iplay (v6.1), just PM me.

[shuhail]

Yes Please Post The Link............

[trondis23]

The IP blockout must be completely random. I am blocked out from http://40th.com at home, but I have access from work. I live in Europe.

Because I could, I downloaded the demo programs (iPlay and Phantasm). I have installed the Phantasm demo. To make it work I had to return a code, including my name, to the developer, and I received a registration code within a few hours. The demo works fine so I can try out all the features, but it quits after a few tracks.

Phantasm is actually a very nice program. Compared to iPlay it has less features, but it is easier to use. It has a more intuitive user interface. It seems like the developer is discontinuing iPlay and prefers Phantasm himself.

The player supports AAC or ALAC (from iTunes), MP3, FLAC, WMA or WMA pro. With AAC/ALAC, Lame-encoded MP3, FLAC or WMA lossless the player supports gapless playback, 100 % perfect according to the manual. Album art is supported if it is embedded in the files. Lyrics is also supported. The program doesn't support web radio stations or DRM files. And it is for audio only.

It is difficult to understand that the developer won't sell the program to everyone that is interested. But that's up to him.

[40th Floor]

...

Did you fall asleep doing that video? Maybe it's a 5-second piece caught in some loop? But then I can't stand little video in 240by sizes anyway (and no audio to boot). I'd never use that Phantasm thing -- and I don't see who would. This, however, I would:

http://phantasm.40th.com/gfx/ipaq310.jpg


(thought I was banned, gotta work on that)

[jadephyre]

would you please just leave and advertise your software to people who are not on your blacklist ?

Enough of this CENSORED already...

MOD EDIT: EVERYONE CONSIDER THIS A WARNING THAT WE WILL NOT TOLERATE FOUL LANGUAGE. ~Jimmy

[nonegiven]

would you please just leave and advertise your software to people who are not on your blacklist ?

Enough of this CENSORED already...
But how else can Cornel Huth trick anyone into paying for his shitware?

[Mort]

Hey, no need to use this tone. We're (more or less ;) ) civilized people...
I've got no clue how good or bad this software is, and I think it's a rather strange concept to make it easier for potential customers to get a cracked copy in any P2P network than a legal trial version on the company's homepage. But well, if they don't want to sell any copies, it's up to them. There were more than enough hints that the blacklist isn't a good idea. They don't want to change it, so one doesn't need to use it, and they don't need to complain nobody buys it...
But still I really wonder. They spend lots of working hours, seem to be confident with their product (and seemingly even some of the rare customers) - and then do everything not to sell it... :confused:

[Sonichedgehog360]

I am honestly AFRAID to buy anything on 40th Floor's web site. His demo of Phantasm provided sound defeating some audiophile gear. I just find his dark, vague web site rather disturbing. It reminds me of a scam or hacker site. If the software was available on Handango, Mobihand, or PocketGear, I would be MUCH more comfortable to purchase. I know it is a one-man operation, and an incredible accomplishment to have the best audio output than any of the other big-corporation programs. However, I find that 40th Floor is trying desperately to NOT sell his program. Until it is available on a reputable seller, I am NOT purchasing, even if it is the BEST. If 40th Floor could make such a program, he can easily put it on a software vendor's site.

[Sonichedgehog360]

Removed for obvious reasons.

[jadephyre]

Hey, no need to use this tone. We're (more or less ;) ) civilized people...
I've got no clue how good or bad this software is, and I think it's a rather strange concept to make it easier for potential customers to get a cracked copy in any P2P network than a legal trial version on the company's homepage. But well, if they don't want to sell any copies, it's up to them. There were more than enough hints that the blacklist isn't a good idea. They don't want to change it, so one doesn't need to use it, and they don't need to complain nobody buys it...
But still I really wonder. They spend lots of working hours, seem to be confident with their product (and seemingly even some of the rare customers) - and then do everything not to sell it... :confused:

i don't even know why he keeps advertising his Software on a site HE HIMSELF CLAIMS to just have Crackers & Pirates on it.
I don't give a flying f**k if it's the best there is concerning Audio Quality, he's blocking out half the friggin world from his website and calling the rest Pirates & Crackers.
Let him shove it somewhere it hurts...

[snachez]

Close this thread. It's embarrassing for us all.

[JeckyllHavok]

Hey Folks,
let this little girl cry.
We got so many great audio players like pocket player, mort player and so on.
If his player were so great he would give it to anyone who wants to purchase.
I'll stay with Pocket Player they want my money and all were happy.
What 40th floor makes is like 40th poor.
and a little bit kidding

[trondis23]

Did you fall asleep doing that video? Maybe it's a 5-second piece caught in some loop? But then I can't stand little video in 240by sizes anyway (and no audio to boot). I'd never use that Phantasm thing -- and I don't see who would.

The video doesn't do the program justice, of course. They never do, but especially not here since we are talking about sound. Only the real thing would give people an idea. The video was the best I could do with my tools/knowledge. I thought it was better than a couple of screenshots. I also think it was more fair than the first video in this thread, that just tries to ridicule the program. I don't think that it deserves that. I got a good impression of the program from the demo.

[jadephyre]

@trondis23
please don't try to inflate his ego, it's already too big for the Board...

[40th Floor]

I got a good impression of the program from the demo.
I must be on the wrong board. ... nope (maybe it's cultural thing since I KNOW most on this board are from eastern Europe - very few from NL or western Europe, let alone N.A. and the good old U.S. of A.). Anyway, PhantasmX is quite a bit better than everything that has come before. A few boring captures? OK, here's one

http://40th.com/gfx/phantasmx_wm5ppc_some_page.png

[nonegiven]

Is Phantom X still vaporware?

[wyrm]

maybe it's cultural thing since I KNOW most on this board are from eastern Europe - very few from NL or western Europe, let alone N.A. and the good old U.S. of A.)


You, sir, are an idiot, a boor, and a paranoiac. The latter has been said before, and without a doubt will be said again.
What has Eastern Europe to do with anything? No, please don't answer, no point.

Your linking an image directly to your site (which is, I remind you, inaccessible to most of the world) is just a cherry on top. Sigh...

I would ask the mods to just apply the Hammerzeit! rule, but I guess they are still curious and still laughing their butts off. As am I, on reflection :D

[trondis23]

40th Floor doesn't do much to improve his popularity in these forums. He says: "My music player is the best available." Then he blocks "half the world", or whatever it is, from accessing his website so they can check it out. Then he post rude comments in the forums that scares off other possible costumers. It makes you wonder if he does any business at all.

I must confess that I am one of his costumers. The demo convinced me. 40th Floor does know a thing or two about audio engineering, and Phantasm has a few unique features that you won't find elsewhere, at least not on the WM platform. The crossfeed effect you might find in high-end headphone amps. The EQ is also of a high quality, with settings to avoid clipping. And I am hooked on the reverb effect. Then it has perfect gapless playback, low power consumption, a good database system, it supports lyrics and album art, plus it has an attractive and friendly user interface. Despite the impression 40th Floor gives in this forum, he also gives an excellent costumer support. I also own Pocket Player, which is a pretty good player. But for the sound alone Phantasm is my favourite.

So if you are in the market for a new music player, AND have access to the website, I wouldn't hesitate recommending Phantasm. Checking out the demo is free so you can make up your own mind (if you only can get it).

[nonegiven]

^^^ Are you using the new Phantom X vaporware or the last version that can be found on megaupload?

[trondis23]

^^^ Are you using the new Phantom X vaporware or the last version that can be found on megaupload?

I am using version 9.4. PhantasmX is "coming soon".

[Sonichedgehog360]

Guys, stop it! In all seriousness, if any of you hackers and warez users actually can be serious, Cornel Huth is an excellent programmer. I did so more Google-ing, and boy does he have a record of excellent software. Since the early dos era, he has written some database programs, including Bullet (and it was recommended above many other .NET programs even in 1998 for its speed and quality). He also made some excellent libraries for Creative Sound Blaster. One of his first music players was for MIDI. The list goes on and on. I was so mistaken. Now, I may be purchasing his software soon (have to decide between a better crossfeed amplifier or Phantasm) due to this info.
But, stop the cursing, foul jokes, and rudeness against him. I can see why the man's on the defense. People posting illegal copies of his program, calling it "****ware", vaporware, etc. He shouldn't have been banned. You guys should of. If he is banned for any reason, I will post a list of all the people who have done wrong things against him, with evidence. In summary, give respect to this legendary programmer.

[nonegiven]

MOD EDIT: tnyynt: CENSORED! Watch your language! First and last warning!

[JimmyMcGee]

OK Consider this EVERYONES First And LAST Warning. BE NICE, or I'm shutting this thread down and possibly handing out bans.

Thank you now back to the topic at hand.

[nonegiven]

Phantasm X still = vaporware

[hotrod101]

Well I also couldn't test the program to see how excellent it is (as advertised), so I rate this program at zero stars out of 5 - Too bad. Well, I had fun reading this thread, at least that is something. I'm not going to let myself get all frustrated because I can't check out yet another audio program for my device. I have four excellent ones already installed and all work really really well and the sound quality is excellent for all. (I keep four installed because I like them all and each have unique features that I love) I really don't know how this program (that I can't even test) will be any better than what I am already using, so maybe I should just say thanks for not letting me put your program onto my device wasting valuable storage space. I will just use that space to place a 20 minute silent audio file. It's probably a much better use of storage space anyways.:D

[trondis23]

Phantasm X still = vaporware

The definition of waporware is, according to Wikipedia: "Vaporware is a somewhat derogatory term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar software/hardware product..... Products with unspecified release dates or long development times that outwardly demonstrate regular, verifiable progress in production are not normally labelled vaporware."

The last version of Phantasm, 9.4, was released in July. I don't remember when he took it down from the web-site - I think it was at the beginning of August. So I think that we should show a little patience here. If you are very eager he probably might sell you version 9.4. It works very well for me.

[Mort]

Oh please... why don't you (all) give it a rest?
I don't know why a seemlingly good programmer (at least according to some of the few people who were able to test his player) get so paranoid of illegal copies that he makes it much more easy to get those instead of a legal copy. (Well, at least he's in good company with music and video industry. I just say DRM. But even that's more logical and less annoying than blocking potential buyers completely...) However, that's the case, he doesn't want to change it, so try to get it by any means or leave it.
I do believe there will be Phantasm X, at least if his paranoia doesn't get so worse he concludes the best copy protection is not to release the program at all. But who cares if it's almost impossible to get it? (Well except for those who wait to get it from a warez site...)
So, why brawl about bridges (almost) nobody will reach?

[40th Floor]

(Well except for those who wait to get it from a warez site...)
I agree. It is pretty bad. Therefore, I am making it policy: US customers only, forever, no exceptions. If you see what I see every day, you'd know why. Close the thread. It's pathetic.

[Furbious]

Agreed on the pathetic comment, but only if its referring to yourself.

Makes me wonder why you bothered in the first place - someone who comes to crow about their product and then insults their customer base obviously needs to go and see their doctor about therapy, or perhaps grow up.
Piracy is part of the industry, you just need to make sure that the honest ones really do think your product is value for money.

Thanks for tarring us all with the same brush, I'm sure that the people who were going to pay for it are now pirating it as we speak. That lack of money in your bank account sure showed them!

[Sonichedgehog360]

I agree. It is pretty bad. Therefore, I am making it policy: US customers only, forever, no exceptions. If you see what I see every day, you'd know why. Close the thread. It's pathetic.

Agreed. 40th, you haven't posted on Brighthand much about your products for years. There are plenty of us "Americanos" over there. You're sure to drum up much more business than at this mainly European forum.

[Furbious]

Agreed. 40th, you haven't posted on Brighthand much about your products for years. There are plenty of us "Americanos" over there. You're sure to drum up much more business than at this mainly European forum.

Of course, because there are no American pirates at all :rolleyes:

[nonegiven]

The definition of waporware is, according to Wikipedia: "Vaporware is a somewhat derogatory term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar software/hardware product..... Products with unspecified release dates or long development times that outwardly demonstrate regular, verifiable progress in production are not normally labelled vaporware."

The last version of Phantasm, 9.4, was released in July. I don't remember when he took it down from the web-site - I think it was at the beginning of August. So I think that we should show a little patience here. If you are very eager he probably might sell you version 9.4. It works very well for me.
I already have v9.4 as well as the latest version of 40iplay before it was discontinued.

Phantom X still = vaporware

[Kraize]

OMG. Reading this whole thread.

I ROFL'd irl.

[JimmyMcGee]

I agree. It is pretty bad. Therefore, I am making it policy: US customers only, forever, no exceptions. If you see what I see every day, you'd know why. Close the thread. It's pathetic.


Thread Closed As Requested.

Thank you and have a good day.