Wifi settings found in HTC Touch Dual

[foosoomin]

Guys,


Here's how you view the .exe file


Go File Explorer, make sure you check the "Show All Files", then go to Windows folder, the file name is "WLANSettings.exe


The attributes for this file is "Read-only", "Hidden", "System" & "ROM"

Any of you willing to test if it works, as i do not know how to enable this function on my device

[guap]

sounds interesting. On a plain winmobile 6 this file doesn't exists, seems that HTC placed it for some reason...

[IceHack]

Exctaly today I found (casually) the same settings on my device!!!

I think...these are the settings swith off of WI-FI!

Anybody knows how to turn ON?
If I click on TURN ON...it does not works... maybe it's necessary to change some valors in Windows..

later

[ppcding]

on the touch with wifi there is also an WLANSettings.exe040X.mui file......you may need this also.

[foosoomin]

on the touch with wifi there is also an WLANSettings.exe040X.mui file......you may need this also.


i found this file "WLANSettings.exe.0409.MUI" as well, but it prompted me to choose the program to open this file

So, any advice on this Wifi enabling settings ?

[alexnalexn]

I found two icon files as well, one is "WiFi_datacall', the other is "WIFI_on" !! :D

[IceHack]

...you are near! :)

...the setting to change are in:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\ControlPanel\WiFi... ;)

let us know...!

[Mauser.NET]

Tell me what to change and I'll try it ;)

[LoGiKZ]

Yes, please keep us updated bro!!

Very good work!

[daddypool]

Hi everyone,this is what i found in windows folder.
(see screenshot002)(hold your cursor over the pictures to see which screenshot number!)

when i click on WLANSettings, I see the option to turn on. (see screen003)

on "menu", there is "Comm manager"(see screen008) & "wifi"(see screen004)

also in wondows folder, there is a htm page for wifi.(see screen007)

I havent really tried to "fool" around with it yet...may try so very soon..!

Oh yes, & one more thing...there is also an exe.file "wrlsmgr"...which shows a different looking comm manager than the original one.I wonder why?(see screen009)

[hdubli]

The WLAN doesn't come ON..I hv also tried puting PNGs to indicate..I think something very small we are missing

[kwchan]

Keep up the good job

[510jungleboy]

Hi everyone,this is what i found in windows folder.
(see screenshot002)(hold your cursor over the pictures to see which screenshot number!)

when i click on WLANSettings, I see the option to turn on. (see screen003)

on "menu", there is "Comm manager"(see screen008) & "wifi"(see screen004)

also in wondows folder, there is a htm page for wifi.(see screen007)

I havent really tried to "fool" around with it yet...may try so very soon..!

Oh yes, & one more thing...there is also an exe.file "wrlsmgr"...which shows a different looking comm manager than the original one.I wonder why?(see screen009)

Try using these 2 cab files from post #66 in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=345167&page=7

I have Sprint HTC Vogue a.k.a. Elf, but files did not doing anything for this phone, maybe it will work on the Touch Dual.

[ori_lavee]

I think something very small we are missing
maybe the antena is missing (hardware)

[510jungleboy]

maybe the antena is missing (hardware)

Ori, read my above post, maybe it will help.

[ori_lavee]

Ori, read my above post, maybe it will help.
sorry i already check your proposal and... unfortunately nothing

[who_else]

Here my 2 ct:

I think, the phones with the qualcomm chipset in fact are able to do GPS and wifi; HTC just disables them to save licensing cost, because, if they enable wifi, the cost will rise for the phone.

Sounds like making sense, huh?

Anyway, i ordered mine yesterday and am dying for wifi... :-)

So, i hope the best for all of us....


we

[otoro_315]

i don't have HTC touch or touch dual, yet.

suggestion:
have someone tried to extract the COMM Manager program from HTC touch and create a .CAB file for it, if need. then take it and install to HTC touch dual device.
once you have it install, do the normal WIFI configuration such as network card and etc... and test the wifi connection.
if it is not working, then most likely the touch dual does not has the wifi hardware addon it.

can someone perform this wifi experiment.

[guap]

open it and post some hi-res picture. If you do it slowly and gently the warranty will be safe because they will not realize that you have opened ;)


With pictures will be possible without any dubt understand if wifi is in or not

[foosoomin]

So, has anyone managed to set up the Wifi ?

[Klutsh]

i don't have HTC touch or touch dual, yet.

suggestion:
have someone tried to extract the COMM Manager program from HTC touch and create a .CAB file for it, if need. then take it and install to HTC touch dual device.
once you have it install, do the normal WIFI configuration such as network card and etc... and test the wifi connection.
if it is not working, then most likely the touch dual does not has the wifi hardware addon it.

can someone perform this wifi experiment.
I'll give it a go tomorrow, It just so happens that for that day I will have a touch & a Dual sat on my desk.

I'm also going to do a full dump of the registry and files of the touch tonight, Not the ROM though.

[J273]

How do you do a registry dump?


Ive got a dual here but dont have any idea how to get a dump or the registry.

[Klutsh]

How do you do a registry dump?

I use the windows mobile SDK.

[Klutsh]

Didn't manage to get File dumps
But here's full Registry dumps of the Touch and Touch Dual

[foosoomin]

I have sent an email to HTC International, requesting for an explanation on why Dual has no Wifi but has it's setting available


From: Soo Min Foo (foosoomin@hotmail.com)
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 9:42:09 PM
To: sea_service@htc.com
Cc: anne_pan@htc.com
Hi Jacky,



It's me Mr Foo, i believed you're the one that called me


I want to tell you that Touch Dual has hidden Wifi settings. Since it has this setting, why don't HTC enable this function ?

Why don't GPS be included too ?


I want an answer from both you & Anne Pan, the product manager


Best Regards
Mr Foo

[Hadelo]

Not a very nice email.

Would not wonder if you do not get an answer.

[index7]

Hi,

Newbie here. I too sent an email, got a reply within a day.

================================================== ========
Like thousands of users out in the world, we are waiting for a Touch Dual with WIFI. I got a few questions:

1. Can the current Tocuh Dual be enabled with WIFI?
2. If it cannot, is it because there is no antenna?
3. Will you all be coming out with a new version of touch dual with WIFI?

I think many many people will buy it if you make Touch Dual like the Japan version with WiFi.

Thanks,
Andrew

===============REPLY============================== ========

Dear Andrew,

Thank you for contacting HTC International.

1. Sorry, can't enabled with WIFI.

2. No, It is default setting.

3. There is No plan currently. We have forwarded you feedback to the R&D center. If there is any update, we will release it at www.asia.htc.com immediately.

Thank you for your continuous support of our products and services. Should you require further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us again.


We look forward to be of service to you again.

Best Regards,
Gary Guo
Customer Service Executive
HTC Corporation

================================================== =======

It's still a bit unclear about the antenna - but it seems like a default setting - more than a hardware issue. However, it's still vague. I'll question them more - but don't blame them if they won't want to reveal. At least they have forwarded to the R&D department. Now - if thousands of us swamp them with mails to have a touch dual with WIFI & GPS ..............

[Chainfire]

Meh looking at the registry you guys posted, I can see the same WiFi device as is in the Kaiser. It is missing all it's registry settings though. Let me wip something for you. (see y'all in 10 minutes)

[Chainfire]

Ok, here is a zip file... Throw the DLL in your Windows folder and import both the registries. Soft-reset, see if it does anything for you.

From the two registry files (one for touch, other for dual) I see that some things are missing for the touch, and a lot of things are missing for the dual. It is quite likely that this won't work, but I guess it's worth a try for a daring individual :)

Good luck!

[who_else]

Anyone able to test? Still haven't got my Dual :-(


we

[ori_lavee]

Ok, here is a zip file... Throw the DLL in your Windows folder and import both the registries. Soft-reset, see if it does anything for you.

Dear Chainfire

Thanks for your effort
what do you mean by saying "import both the registries"

import from where to where ?

Thanks again

[Chainfire]

The zip file contains a DLL and two REG files, put the REG files on your device and 'run' them, this should import them to your phones registry.

[ori_lavee]

The zip file contains a DLL and two REG files, put the REG files on your device and 'run' them, this should import them to your phones registry.

(-:

Thanks Chainfire

[Chainfire]

Note that you put the DLL in the Windows folder of the Touch, not of your PC =p

[IceHack]

Hi....

do you think that this "antenna" will be also able to help Dual to gets GPS?!

Thanks

[chrysaor]

Also very much interested. Let us know about the outcome of chainfire's dumps on htc dual touch. ;)

[jannaa]

Hi....

do you think that this "antenna" will be also able to help Dual to gets GPS?!

Thanks

Maybe read the threats?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=348978

[IceHack]

yes jannaa, I know very well that threats... i wrote in it some times!! :cool:

But there they speak most about GPS.... and my question instead is about WI-fi linked to the GPS system!

..so the question is: "antenna" used for wi-fi is the same of gps's antenna? :confused:

tnk

[Klutsh]

Ok, here is a zip file... Throw the DLL in your Windows folder and import both the registries. Soft-reset, see if it does anything for you.

From the two registry files (one for touch, other for dual) I see that some things are missing for the touch, and a lot of things are missing for the dual. It is quite likely that this won't work, but I guess it's worth a try for a daring individual :)

Good luck!

Could not get this to work :(

[Chainfire]

If I _had_ a Touch Dual...

The thing runs on the MSM7200... anyone try to replace the Part02 part of the ROM with the Kaiser version?

[varior]

Don't know if you guys know the next release of the "NTT DoCoMo FOMA HT1100 (HTC Nike)" device...

Here's a comparaison table between "NTT DoCoMo FOMA HT1100" & "HTC Touch Dual P5500" :
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=847&id2=736

WiFi would be enabled on this DoCoMo device...

[madds]

and fm radio!!!!

this device is full of surprises.... ;)

or it may be a site error!

[synaptyc]

I have the sprint touch.
I copied the DLL to my Touch\Windows directory.
I imported both registry entries.
Soft Reset.
Nada.
I get no WiFi option on the Communications screen.
Any tips I missed?

~Sy(\)

[madds]

you must install a 9 button com manager just like the kaiser one...

but let me tell you... doesn't work :S


But we must keep in mind that we bought a device without wifi or gps!!!!
it's a great device and i accepted it as it is...

but i must say wifi and gps working would become pretty cool!!!!!

[chrysaor]

I have the sprint touch.
I copied the DLL to my Touch\Windows directory.
I imported both registry entries.
Soft Reset.
Nada.
I get no WiFi option on the Communications screen.
Any tips I missed?

~Sy(\)

Totally normal since the HTC sprint is not the same device, in fact running on a msm7500 and not 7200...

Can any htc dual touch user try this out and bring this thread to something more concrete than people "hoping" ;)

Thanks :D

[madds]

Totally normal since the HTC sprint is not the same device, in fact running on a msm7500 and not 7200...

Can any htc dual touch user try this out and bring this thread to something more concrete than people "hoping" ;)

Thanks :D

I'm using touch dual.
Tried the files above but no good!!!! doesn't work

[madds]

double post

[mkhattab]

you must install a 9 button com manager just like the kaiser one...

but let me tell you... doesn't work :S


But we must keep in mind that we bought a device without wifi or gps!!!!
it's a great device and i accepted it as it is...

but i must say wifi and gps working would become pretty cool!!!!!
I realise GPS and Wifi do not work but are there any additional benefits out of installing this version of Commanager?

[synaptyc]

I installed the 3G Comm Manager.
No luck =(
It tries to turn on WLAN (animated wait icon) for about 3 seconds.
Then the WLAN icon returns to the "off" display.
Worth a shot though!

~Sy(\)

[madds]

I realise GPS and Wifi do not work but are there any additional benefits out of installing this version of Commanager?

It enables you to turn 3g ON or OFF

[J273]

Meh looking at the registry you guys posted, I can see the same WiFi device as is in the Kaiser. It is missing all it's registry settings though. Let me wip something for you. (see y'all in 10 minutes)

Chainfire...Is there any chance fella you could compare the 2 registrys and see what DLL'S and reg settings are missing for between 2 to see if we can get GPS working?

Thanks alot.

[Chainfire]

Chainfire...Is there any chance fella you could compare the 2 registrys and see what DLL'S and reg settings are missing for between the 2 to see if we can get GPS working?

Thanks alot.

Well I've been toying with the idea for a small util app that does exactly this (for both ROM files as well as registry) but it will take me a couple of hours to write and I probably won't be home til monday. If you haven't found anything by then, I'll look at it.

[J273]

Excellent...that would be brilliant.

[imneveral0ne]

Well I've been toying with the idea for a small util app that does exactly this (for both ROM files as well as registry) but it will take me a couple of hours to write and I probably won't be home til monday. If you haven't found anything by then, I'll look at it.

cant wait to hear if you get something to work. looking forward to your post :D

[Chainfire]

cant wait to hear if you get something to work. looking forward to your post :D

well ill need some stuff. a special registry dump and file dump (i will provide special tool) and also important a part02 rom dump of a touch dual (that does not a run a custom rom). the latter can already be arranged by one of you :)

[Klutsh]

well ill need some stuff. a special registry dump and file dump (i will provide special tool) and also important a part02 rom dump of a touch dual (that does not a run a custom rom). the latter can already be arranged by one of you :)

If you tell me how to do this I'll happily do it.
I'm running the Vanilla Orange Rom, my main PC OS is Vista if that makes any difference.

[cassio]

me2...rinning xp and the original orange rom

though i did install some original htc apps and skin to make it more touchy and less orangy

let me know if you need a beta tester...i'm totally up for it

also testing SIM and CID unlock as well (if it exists...not sure)

[varior]

me2...rinning xp and the original orange rom
also testing SIM and CID unlock as well (if it exists...not sure)

cassio, please post here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=328221) for that, thx :D
There's no solution yet, but beta testers would be welcome...

[cassio]

-post deleted-

[varior]

oh, does that work for dual as well?
Not yet, it does not work... Do not use this unlocker on dual ! :eek:
But some devs are searching for a solution.

[cassio]

haha...yeah...thought so

sorry, a bit misunderstanding...

probably should sleep now, nearly 2am in uk :P

[Chainfire]

If you tell me how to do this I'll happily do it.
I'm running the Vanilla Orange Rom, my main PC OS is Vista if that makes any difference.

me2...rinning xp and the original orange rom

though i did install some original htc apps and skin to make it more touchy and less orangy

let me know if you need a beta tester...i'm totally up for it

also testing SIM and CID unlock as well (if it exists...not sure)

Well unbranded would be better than Orange, but it'll have to do. I assume these are both Touch Dual's?

For a quick howto (does assume some knowledge though), see my post here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1718401&postcount=51

Name the file something like TouchDual-Orange-ROM-Part02.raw on the FTP site so I can find it :)

Obviously I have only dumped a Kaiser ROM, but procedure should be pretty much the same.

[jackalkwok]

Dear all, I am just a newbie in this forum. As I know, the wifi function is available in the japanese version of touch dual. So I wonder if the respective rom is available or not.

Hi, Japanese friends, if you are in this forum, can you please provide the rom to all the experts in this forum for further research.

[J273]

dont know if anyone seen this

found it on th GPS discussion thread

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1689571&postcount=10

Is this the GPS /Wifi antenna we are needing?

[Dagnelinos]

no it's th gms antenna ext.

[J273]

Dear all, I am just a newbie in this forum. As I know, the wifi function is available in the japanese version of touch dual. So I wonder if the respective rom is available or not.

Hi, Japanese friends, if you are in this forum, can you please provide the rom to all the experts in this forum for further research.

yeah known as the HTC HT1100

[cassio]

Well unbranded would be better than Orange, but it'll have to do. I assume these are both Touch Dual's?

For a quick howto (does assume some knowledge though), see my post here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1718401&postcount=51

Name the file something like TouchDual-Orange-ROM-Part02.raw on the FTP site so I can find it :)

Obviously I have only dumped a Kaiser ROM, but procedure should be pretty much the same.

hi,

tried that, it says "Could not update itsutils.dll to current version, maybe it is inuse? try restarting you device or restart activesync, or maybe your device is application locked." tried the first two, but not sure how to check if my dual is app-locked

that said, it does start with cpoying d:\blah\itsutils.dll to WCE:\windows\itsutils.dll, and i can't open WCE:\ in start->run either...maybe this is the cause of the problem?

i dunno, i'm just guessing with my severely limited wm knowledge :P

thanks!

[Chainfire]

hi,

tried that, it says "Could not update itsutils.dll to current version, maybe it is inuse? try restarting you device or restart activesync, or maybe your device is application locked." tried the first two, but not sure how to check if my dual is app-locked

that said, it does start with cpoying d:\blah\itsutils.dll to WCE:\windows\itsutils.dll, and i can't open WCE:\ in start->run either...maybe this is the cause of the problem?

i dunno, i'm just guessing with my severely limited wm knowledge :P

thanks!

WCE is not a path you can use... It just means Windows CE device.

Did you change that registry entry on your phone?

EDIT: If that doesn't help, try this CAB

[cassio]

WCE is not a path you can use... It just means Windows CE device.

Did you change that registry entry on your phone?

sorry my bad...it's default to 1 for some reason, and i mistakenly changed it to 2...dumping now

[cassio]

ftp://ftp.xda-developers.com/Uploads/Nike/TouchDual-Orange-ROM-Part02.raw

here it is

still uploading though...give me 20 or so minutes

[Chainfire]

ftp://ftp.xda-developers.com/Uploads/Nike/TouchDual-Orange-ROM-Part02.raw

here it is

still uploading though...give me 20 or so minutes

Alright please post when it's ready.

In the mean time, download the attached file, unpack it somewhere, copy the exe to your phone, run it on your phone, press "dump" and wait till it says "done". It will have created two files "ROMCompareDump.registry.bin" and "ROMCompareDump.files.bin". Please post those back here as attachments :)

EDIT: LOL, forgot to attach file.

[motin]

mine also loading now

the link is soon

ftp://ftp.xda-developers.com/Uploads/Nike/htctouchdual - Part02.raw



loading now

attached ziped file is the compatre out put already !!!!

[cassio]

Alright please post when it's ready.

In the mean time, download the attached file, unpack it somewhere, copy the exe to your phone, run it on your phone, press "dump" and wait till it says "done". It will have created two files "ROMCompareDump.registry.bin" and "ROMCompareDump.files.bin". Please post those back here as attachments :)

EDIT: LOL, forgot to attach file.

part02 : ftp://ftp.xda-developers.com/Uploads/Nike/TouchDual-Orange-ROM-Part02.raw

ROMCompareDump results attached, and uploaded :P

hope it's useful

[Chainfire]

Well wooptiedoo I'm pretty much done finding the differences... now to weed through it to find whats important and what not ... see y'all next year :D

EDIT: Well I'm pretty much done. Writing a patch as we speak. Take into account that those who want to test it WILL need to HARD-RESET if it doesn't go right. I think I got both WiFi and GPS covered, cross your fingers all this work isn't for nothing :)

[J273]

Well wooptiedoo I'm pretty much done finding the differences... now to weed through it to find whats important and what not ... see y'all next year :D

EDIT: Well I'm pretty much done. Writing a patch as we speak. Take into account that those who want to test it WILL need to HARD-RESET if it doesn't go right. I think I got both WiFi and GPS covered, cross your fingers all this work isn't for nothing :)


Ahh man if this works your a genius....If not no problem ,thanks for your work and time you've put in.

cheers

[Klutsh]

Well I'm pretty much done. Writing a patch as we speak. Take into account that those who want to test it WILL need to HARD-RESET if it doesn't go right. I think I got both WiFi and GPS covered, cross your fingers all this work isn't for nothing :)

Hard reset not a problem :)

[cassio]

yay!

looking forward to it mate!

cheers!

[chrysaor]

just wanted to say "yiiiiiiiihaaaaaaa" as some kind of encouragement :D

... and remember: of your results will depend my future christmas gift :)

but by all means yet thanks a lot for the efforts put into this !!

[Chainfire]

Ok guys, here it is. Note that this one is for the
TOUCH DUAL

WARNING
Be prepared to do a HARD-RESET if you do this!

Attached is a zip file. Extract it somewhere, put both the files in the same folder on your device, SOFT-RESET and run the exe. Click "Patch" and wait. A LOG file will be generated. Please attach it in a new post here. SOFT-RESET again.

If all goes well, your device will not be bricked. If all goes really well, WiFi and GPS may be working. You may still need to fiddle with the WLANManager.exe and such, as well as internal GPS settings before it actually comes alive. So if it doesn't work, keep fiddling with it for a bit before saying "NAY, Chainfire wasted my time and made me do a hard-reset". Also, you may have to reinstall the Comm Manager (use the CAB posted in this topic earlier).

If it was a total waste of our time, you should do a hard-reset, it could be that your device doesn't act weird, but it probably will :)

[cassio]

ok...

wish me luck

[Chainfire]

*crosses fingers*

Something just hit me though, if this patch doesn't work (I'm pretty sure I got everything in there), maybe a different radio rom should be flashed as well... hmm..

[cassio]

ok...um...how should i be testing it?

i could get to the settings for wifi from comms manager, but it doesn't turn the wifi on

also, does this patch replace the original comms manager? it looks different, though the functions are still the same...like a new skin perhaps :P

p.s. i just hard reset the dual to try again to make sure...don't have much on it anyway, so doesn't really matter

[Klutsh]

Well nothing goes seriously wrong, but again nothing activates.

[Chainfire]

Good question... how to test it :D

For one, you could download WMWifiRouter (see my signature), load it up, and see if it gives you TNETW1251 device name in the log box on startup. It'll also turn it on if you press 'connect', btw.

You can fiddle with GPS with GPSViewer or GPSTest, see if it does anything at all.

The Comm Manager is from the Kaiser, but I'm not sure it works well on a Dual...

Anyone have any bright ideas?

[Klutsh]

I also get an error when trying to launch QuickGPS
"Failed to create empty document"

As my Dual is still working as it was I'm leaving all these mod's on them.

[Chainfire]

Well I guess this is pretty much it then, it might well be all these files and registry entries are good, but you don't have the right radio rom... :/

[cassio]

here's the log file from a completely stock orange-branded touch dual

gps test doesn't report anything about a gps on one of the com ports

wmwifirouter crashes when it gets to "Starting ICS" stage...had to reset

any chance of patching the radio rom as well? :P

[Klutsh]

Well I guess this is pretty much it then, it might well be all these files and registry entries are good, but you don't have the right radio rom... :/
Shoulden't the be some setting panel for the internal GPS?

Also are we missing
\Windows\QuickGPS.exe.0409.mui
\Windows\GPSAux.dll.0409.mui

files?

[Chainfire]

No there is no control panel for internal GPS, only for Windows Intermediate GPS thingy. I dont have those 0409 files on my Kaiser ... I do have some 0413 files though.

[Klutsh]

No there is no control panel for internal GPS, only for Windows Intermediate GPS thingy. I dont have those 0409 files on my Kaiser ... I do have some 0413 files though.
They are the ones
Just a diff language, the 0413 needs changing to 0409

[Chainfire]

Thought as much...

[Chainfire]

Also, have no idea what these two do, they may help (or not)

[madds]

i installed these cabs but no luck...

One thing i noticed, is that if you go to wlan settings in the second tab usualy appears the mac adress even when wifi is turned off.
In dual it doesn't appear...

[J273]

Ahh thats a shame..thanks anyways Chainfire for your work.


Do you think there's still hope with a future Radio update?


Thanks

[bram_smulders]

there is a dual forum!!

gr. bram

[Chainfire]

Ahh thats a shame..thanks anyways Chainfire for your work.


Do you think there's still hope with a future Radio update?


Thanks

Could be. As far as I can tell you have all the files to make it operational, as well as the registry entries, radio rom is the only thing left I'd say. Maybe you could try flashing the radio rom from the japanese version that does have WiFi and GPS. Or maybe there is just no way to make it work...

[chrysaor]

Could be. As far as I can tell you have all the files to make it operational, as well as the registry entries, radio rom is the only thing left I'd say. Maybe you could try flashing the radio rom from the japanese version that does have WiFi and GPS. Or maybe there is just no way to make it work...

Does the Japanese version have BOTH wifi AND gps ?

[Kuniyo]

Does the Japanese version have BOTH wifi AND gps ?
I heard that the Jap version is CDMA version. So... If ours is the GSM, then the configs might differ.

[chrysaor]

I heard that the Jap version is CDMA version. So... If ours is the GSM, then the configs might differ.

I thought the cdma version was the one released by Sprint in the USA aka Vogue.

More info whether the jap version has got wifi ANd gps?

[fguitch]

Thank you very much for your work Chainfire.
But there is something I don't understand, if the radio is really off in the ROM, why hdubli in the GPS topic, could get the GPS Fix ?:
I did some investigation and made GPS work to get the satellite Fix.But the Comm Port is very much differrent and now need to b checked further so that the other apps such as Tom Tom, etc can use the port.To my Surprise the Protocol is Qualcomm and Comm Port is SMD 7.

Sorry for my English ;)

[airnan]

I thought the cdma version was the one released by Sprint in the USA aka Vogue.

More info whether the jap version has got wifi ANd gps?

I am afraid the HTC Touch Dual in Japan (HT1100) doesnt have GPS&Wifi...

To read a translated version of japanesse HTC page, press this link:
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ja_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.nttdocomo.co.jp%2fproduct%2 fbusiness_model%2fht1100%2f

[madds]

at least it has fm radio!!!!

[Chainfire]

Thank you very much for your work Chainfire.
But there is something I don't understand, if the radio is really off in the ROM, why hdubli in the GPS topic, could get the GPS Fix ?:


Sorry for my English ;)

Well it SEEMS all the files and registry entries are accounted for. Ofcourse there is always the possibility I missed something.

However, you must keep in mind that this guy has tools from HTC that we don't, that may will be able to activate / deactive things we cannot.

This is also why I told you guys to fiddle with the GPS with GPSTest and GPSViewer, as it may be there after the patch, we're just not having it complete right yet :)

[madds]

found a gpsviewer.exe on google:
http://pocketmap.com/accessories/GpsViewer.exe

but tries to open all ports and doesn't find any

[J273]

Dont know if anyones seen this...i found it in the other GPS thread.


Here are actual internal pics of the touch dual...thanks to uiqjirka

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1726910&postcount=48

[J273]

Ive unpacked them...I hope uiqjirka dont mind?

[shinji_73]

Something is starting also on the new official thread...

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=350860

[Dagnelinos]

in the second photo is visible the antenna for signal,on the top-right angle.
i'm not sure that is for gsm signal or for wifi/gps :(

[Klutsh]

Can we continue this here: Over at the Nike(Niki) forum http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=350829
Leave these Elf folk alone now.

[uiqjirka]

On my pictures there are two antenna outputs : on the right top and on the right bottom.Both outputs are certainly not intended for GSM.

[Chainfire]

I have both of those on my TyTN II as well (next to eachother, though) and nothing is connected to it... I know one of them is for an external GPS antenna, not sure about the other.

[guap]

moderators, can you join this thread with this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=350829 one? thank you ;)

[foosoomin]

It looks like the Wifi function is very hard to crack

[Klutsh]

Chainfire:
Just wondering if you could post a RegDump (possibly directory/file listing) of your Kaiser?

I think we are still missing some registry entires.
One such entrie:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\CommManager\WLAN]
"DeviceName"="{98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006}\TNETW12511"

If I know how to extract files from Rom's I'd probably stand a better chance at all this.

[mkhattab]

Chainfire:
Just wondering if you could post a RegDump (possibly directory/file listing) of your Kaiser?

I think we are still missing some registry entires.
One such entrie:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\CommManager\WLAN]
"DeviceName"="{98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006}\TNETW12511"

If I know how to extract files from Rom's I'd probably stand a better chance at all this.
It's very difficult to extract/dump the ROM from the Touch Dual... Overall it look like a very closed up device... at least for now :p

[chrisyeo83]

Sorry,

I am not sure how to cook the rom or tweak the device, but i am suggesting whether it is possible to get hold of the Japanese rom and edit from there?

[Chainfire]

Hmm, could somebody try this AGAIN?

Use the BIN file from the zip here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1725375&postcount=79

but using the exe from the attached zip?

[motin]

tried it on my unit

managed to boot what should i try

wlan wont start

[Chainfire]

Try the GPS!

EDIT: I know I missed one or two entries that are probably needed in the WLAN stuff, I'll cook up a new BIN in an hour or 6, probably

[motin]

tried igo and autodetect gps software they are both going to com 7 scaning the baud rate from 4800 till 57600 and then no gps found

[J273]

Try the GPS!

EDIT: I know I missed one or two entries that are probably needed in the WLAN stuff, I'll cook up a new BIN in an hour or 6, probably

Excellent...thanks Chainfire

[NetrunnerAT]

i compare in the moment in a asia rom ...

[SplatMan_DK]

Hi developers (the real ones!).

Please note the following post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1733688#post1733688

I would be happy to help if I can.

brgds

- Jesper

[Chainfire]

Ok here goes one more try, guess it wont help, but hey... I'm now 99% sure you have all registry and DLL's needed...

[motin]

gd mrng tried this also no change igo or wifi or nothing shows up - but every software i run goes to com 7 and tries all baud rate !

gd day

[IceHack]

Hi Chainfire....

i downloaded you files....

what are they about? ...is the .exe to get the GPS?

Thanks a lot

bye bye

[thaoula]

Hi Guys,

I downloaded and ran the files. I got no GPS and no WIFI. Also, I could not run comm manager.

Kind Regards,
Tarek

[NetrunnerAT]

if you dont know what a file do ... start it in a virtual PPC like device manager from MS.

this file insert some files and regkeys ... after that its possible gps works or not!

[Chainfire]

Well I've picked up some things with trying to get HW accelleration working on the Kaiser, which may well be the cause for this not working (aside from that maybe it is impossible). Some of those things may help here, but I would need physical access to a Touch Dual to test and try...

[varior]

I would need physical access to a Touch Dual to test and try...

Maybe you can deal with SplatMan_DK : see his post (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=351478)

[Chainfire]

That MAY work out, but I'd rather have someone who lives in Utrecht, Netherlands drop by and let me fiddle with it for a couple of hours... would be much handier :D

[Chainfire]

Yet another attempt, some things changed on the actual driver files front:

- make sure to have your device backed up (with sprite or so)
- be prepared to do a hard-reset
- use at your own risk

- download and extract the attached zip file and copy files to your device
- install the CAB
- run the EXE
- soft-reset

- be disappointed, probably ;)

EDIT: forgot to attach the file, AGAIN! :)

[BSmart]

Yet another attempt, some things changed on the actual driver files front:

- make sure to have your device backed up (with sprite or so)
- be prepared to do a hard-reset
- use at your own risk

- download and extract the attached zip file and copy files to your device
- install the CAB
- run the EXE
- soft-reset

- be disappointed, probably ;)

EDIT: forgot to attach the file, AGAIN! :)


Just tried it.. I'm somewhere in the region of 'be disappointed'..
Copied it.. installed both files.. did a softreset.
Started the Comm Manager:
Comm Manager msgbox:
Failed to reading "Software\HTC\CommManager\5"...

After some browsing I noticed the following:
There's a Wi-Fi icon in the Setting / Connections, clicking this shows connections.
First in line: IEEE 802.11b/g Compatible Wi-Fi, but unable to 'enable' since comm manager is not working.

Regarding GPS: The device now seems to detect something on comm 4 Tested with GPSTest.exe and google Maps. Google Maps halted after switching to comm 4.
Started TomTom.. now I can select GPS on Comm 4.. but GPS Status: No GPS Device..

Close but no sigar I guess..
Time to restore the backup.
Keep it up!

Edit1: after restoring my backup I got a 'strange green' Comm Manager.. but seemed to be working.
After performing a hardreset then restoring it was back to normal..

[J273]

I think we're getting closer as on the kaiser its comm4

As anyone tried this patch on the test rom in the other thread?

[Chainfire]

Well just thought this up with the patch I posted a few posts up:

- the first guy that showed GPS working already mentioned this GPS talks with Qualcomm protocol, while I think those tools all use NMEA. We should find a tool somewhere that talks Qualcomm (I think TomTom can actually do that, btw). The Windows GPS layer should translate this (I think) but I guess that's something else that doesn't work yet

- seeing as comm manager stop working, try installing the patch, and then installing the "kaiser 10 button comm manager"

[Klutsh]

- seeing as comm manager stop working, try installing the patch, and then installing the "kaiser 10 button comm manager"

Hey, Done the "kaiser 10 button comm manager" patch after, Result's in no Wi-Fi and if you attempt to start wi-fi Comm Manager starts to eat the device RAM up, so much so that Start>>Programs/Start>>Settings/Calendar all refuse to work, Calendar even report an error of not enough RAM.

A couple of other thing's, MAC address is still blank, without this Wi-Fi would not turn on anyhow.

I think, as somebody else also posted, the Radio ROM is the cause of these features not working and no matter if we get all the right files and reg setting's these features will not turn on.

Another possible solution would be for somebody to flash a kaiser's Radio ROM to the Dual, (I'm not that mad to do it)

Edit:
I've also been getting an error with QuickGPS failing to launch every time I try to sync.
This can be fixed by getting the English QuickGPS CAB found on this site.
It's caused by missing or incorrectly named MUI files.

This would be nice to have working in the end, although for me it's becoming less of an issue.
So now I'll leave it to others who know more about it. (Thats if they ever come back and respond to claims they have already made!!)

But if this does not ever work, Don't stress, just wait for the end of your Contract/Got enough cash and buy a model that should do it.

[mivec]

p.s. i just hard reset the dual to try again to make sure...don't have much on it anyway, so doesn't really matter

ok may i know how to hard reset my Touch Dual and not "Clear Storage"

Thanks

[Klutsh]

ok may i know how to hard reset my Touch Dual and not "Clear Storage"

Thanks

Hard reset is "Clear Storage".

[mivec]

Hard reset is "Clear Storage".

ok, other than the clear storage is there another way for me to do a hard reset as my friend touch dual is unable to bootup

Cheers

[cassio]

press the reset button while holding down "call" and "end". release the two buttons after releasing the reset button

[Chainfire]

Can someone dump Part00 and Part01 as well?

[BSmart]

Can someone dump Part00 and Part01 as well?

What is part00 and part01.. tell me how and I'll give it a try.

Regards

[Chainfire]

See this post (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1718401&postcount=51) :)

[RsRichard]

do you think youll get one of the things working at any time? gps / wlan?

or is it just a try and error?


i am very thankful that youre doing this work^^ great community

[Chainfire]

It's pretty much trial and error because I do not have a Touch (or Touch Dual, or Touch Cruise, or ...). The latest set of files I have posted here at least do something, as a GPS is locatable on COM4. Someone who actually has a Touch Dual will have to figure it out from there. As I have said before, the best thing would be if I had a Touch Dual in my hands so I could fiddle with it, but I don't know anyone who has one.

Still, even if I DID have a Touch Dual in my hands, it'd take me a lot of tinkering to know if it will work in the end.

[t0p0gigi0]

I will receive one soon. Then I can help on this tests.

I think you are almost there.;)

Soon or later we all have at least Wifi in Touch Dual :cool:
(maybe GPS too, :rolleyes: :rolleyes: )

[dabs]

Can someone dump Part00 and Part01 as well?

http://rapidshare.com/files/77103304/Niki-1.31.405.09-WWE-dabs.zip.html


Part00-02.raw
16-key
ROM is WWE 1.31.405.09 dated 10/31/07
Radio is 1.58.16.27

just the .raw files

[live2themaxuk]

Polaris



From what i gather, do the Polaris and the Touch Dual not use identical hardware? (Polaris has Wifi and GPS)

What is the chance of getting a Polaris ROM, editing the revelant parts, and just uploading this to the Touch Dual? or is this too 'risky'?


J

[Dagnelinos]

the Polaris is similar but not identical.
The difference between the 2 terminal is the absence of keyboard, the rollr, the fm radio. Probably the internal architecture is very different.
The same probably, imho, than dump a rom from tyntII to dual.

[live2themaxuk]

Well all i can say is i really hope you guys crack this. The Touch Dual is a lovely phone, but to leave off Wi-fi from it, is in my opinion as unacceptable as Apple's Iphone having no 3G. A truely backwards step, all thigns considered.

If things dont come good here, i guess ill be buying an O2 Orbit II in the new year, but damn, the DUAL is sexy, and so useful having a keypad. I wouldnt look like an excecutive holding it up to my ear to take a call. . .


J

[Lukasss]

It's pretty much trial and error because I do not have a Touch (or Touch Dual, or Touch Cruise, or ...). The latest set of files I have posted here at least do something, as a GPS is locatable on COM4. Someone who actually has a Touch Dual will have to figure it out from there. As I have said before, the best thing would be if I had a Touch Dual in my hands so I could fiddle with it, but I don't know anyone who has one.

Still, even if I DID have a Touch Dual in my hands, it'd take me a lot of tinkering to know if it will work in the end.
Hi Chainfire...

I live in Antwerp, have a shiny new Touch Dual. If you want me to I could scoot over to Utrecht for a few hours...

[NetrunnerAT]

I have dumped all touch roms i have found!

no one have a application or driversettings for a fm radio!!! in the HTC Asia Rom is only a new Java Middletmanager and a GSM tool to switch betwen 2 phonelines. my provider use this function.

[foosoomin]

After so many post & testings & trials, it seems like Touch Dual does not have the internal antenna for GPS, Wifi & Fm Radio :(

[Klutsh]

After so many post & testings & trials, it seems like Touch Dual does not have the internal antenna for GPS, Wifi & Fm Radio :(
I'd say were missing the correct radio ROM rarther than missing hardware.

[wizain]

keep the hard work guys,go ahead!

[Midget_1990]

beginning work on this now, seems the same as the hermes where you could connect to the GPS but only get garbage data from it :( (no antenna's) will continue testing

[Dagnelinos]

After so many post & testings & trials, it seems like Touch Dual does not have the internal antenna for GPS, Wifi & Fm Radio :(

no, hdubli have a fix with 4 satellites...
the antenna is present

[Dagnelinos]

hdubli, please post the procedure for the dual, a cool gift from Christmas :D

[jinedward]

under Wireless Setting.. we found this.. :p

Wireless LAN is OFF. Turn on Wireless LAN

when press the blue Msg... nothing will happen..:(

Hopefully our mighty XDA D MOD can do some magic on it..:cool:

Turn it on~ :D

[J273]

Any updates on this guys?

Thanks

[Midget_1990]

I'm cooking a ROM with the drivers for it in the hope that it will then work, ill keep you updated

[Scann69]

I'm cooking a ROM with the drivers for it in the hope that it will then work, ill keep you updated

Merrry Christmas dude.....i'm just waiting for the WiFi to work then i'll go out and get myself a brand new TouchDual :D

[J273]

I'm cooking a ROM with the drivers for it in the hope that it will then work, ill keep you updated

Thats brilliant matey.....thanks alot

[gullum]

I gave my girlfrien a touch dual for christmas and would love the get wifi working for her.

[NetrunnerAT]

oh gullum ... nice to see you!

ich bin grad dabei ein SSPL zu schreiben mit Freunden ... scheis deassebler :-)

[live2themaxuk]

heres to hoping santa brings us a working ROM . . . .:)

[Midget_1990]

heres to hoping santa brings us a working ROM . . . .:)

I have a working rom, just waiting on olipro/cmonex to make a patched spl ;)

[GpsPasSion]

I have a working rom, just waiting on olipro/cmonex to make a patched spl ;)

"working rom" as in wifi working on the Nike ? Wow, that would be something ;-) Sorry for my ignorance, but was is spl ?

[tcs80]

If the "working" rom included Wifi actived, XDA will make itself headlines yet again :P

[Midget_1990]

If the "working" rom included Wifi actived, XDA will make itself headlines yet again :P

ill have to see when i can flash it ;)

[J273]

ill have to see when i can flash it ;)

So is the patch being worked on then?

Are we close to being able to flash the rom?

Sorry not being impatient ...Just asking

cheers

[tcs80]

ill have to see when i can flash it ;)
Well, as long as WiFi is activated, i dun mind waiting a little while :) HTC should be graceful becoz it's gonna double the sales of NIKI :P I knew a lot ppl are hesitated to buy becoz of the lacking of WiFi.

[ducamie]

i dont think htc would be too pleased.. if they disabled it for a reason that is..

my guess is they wanted the original touch to keep selling and not become obsolete in the duals shadow.

[Scann69]

I'm just waiting for the WiFi to work....if it does then i can just go out and get one :D Still keeping my fingers crossed.

[HolyOle]

How is it Going with the WiFi reasearch?
I will gladly help if you guys need something :)
I'm from norway so don't complain about my English please:P

[jincongz]

Hi Chainfire...

I live in Antwerp, have a shiny new Touch Dual. If you want me to I could scoot over to Utrecht for a few hours...
Either I don't know Europe very well, or you guys are missing an important point here. This may be the key!

For me... I think I need to import the Japanese one. Fido runs on GSM 850, so whoever posted this link: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=847&id2=736 , If they're right, will be my saviour. My prophet is doing fine, I just want to type faster.

[live2themaxuk]

thats very interesting that page explicitly says Wifi on the January 2008 version. . .umm ill keep an eye out on that.

There has been a little bit of interesting news with them getting approval for a few phones via the FCC i think and then, a Japanese broadcast approval for a device called the NIke 100, but looked the same as the Dual, except for a sim card slot on the side, like the Touch.


maybe they will release a wifi version after all


Jamie

[imneveral0ne]

How is it Going with the WiFi research?
I will gladly help if you guys need something :)
I'm from norway so don't complain about my English please:P

your english was spot on, better grammar than most of us use :-p

[HolyOle]

your english was spot on, better grammar than most of us use :-p

Hehe, that sounds good:P

[J273]

Anyone seen this?....look at the specs...hmmmmm

http://sntradersonline.com/phone_details.php?product_id=snp588

[jincongz]

I wish i could get that... Now... about the price tag.

[live2themaxuk]

looks like we were gonna get something, and ended up with somethign else, just take a look at the pics below. the 'Nike' doesnt look anythign like the Dual we know, but the pre-release shots all look the same as in this link with the specs too. I think there is a story behind all this, but guess well never know

http://www.intomobile.com/2007/03/10/htc-p5500-nike-is-coming.html

J

[ohyeahar]

Anyone seen this?....look at the specs...hmmmmm

http://sntradersonline.com/phone_details.php?product_id=snp588

This article was posted way back in March (before official release). Pic and specs were still just speculation back then.

[J273]

ill have to see when i can flash it ;)

Have you managed to flash you cooked rom fella now the sspl's been released?

Thanks

[realjumy]

Hello everybody!

I'm a spanish guy and I have some questions, because the topic is so large and I loose in it:

Wifi is now running, but a ROM must be build?

GPS is running too, but there is no antenna?

If I flash my Niki with a custom Wifi-operative ROM, I loose spanish language? No way to translate it?

I have the money for a Niki. Can I buy it? Or you think the ROM will not run propertly?

Sorry, I don't want to hurry you up. Thanks a lot for all you hard work.

[jackdaniels_lee]

Hi Everyone

Upon completing a mass of research and sucsesfully installing a hard SPL & WWE rom on my no longer Orange branded touch dual i have been trying to find out how i can enable the GPS & Wifi that are on board with the Qualcomm 7200 chip.

While researching (someone may want to back me up on this) i have done a thorough comparison on the 2 handsets and they seem to be the exact hardware base. the only differences are as follows....:eek:

A few mm either way in dimensions

GPS is enabled on the cruise

wifi is enabled on the cruise

The cruise is quad band (dual is tri)

Cruise has no keyboard but 4 way nav wheel

Cruise has 3mp camera

Not a great deal between the 2!!

Any opinions?

Can we combine the 2 roms? or install cruise rom on dual and update the keyboard driver? or even the other way (bit more complex with wifi and gps drivers) :D

http://www.htc.com/product/03-produc...uch_cruise.htm
http://www.htc.com/product/03-product_htctouch_dual.htm

[cybernavid]

Hi guys,
I am also asking myself, has someone succeeded in enabling the WiFi on the Touch Dual or not?:confused:
I have been following this thread for a long time now, and as I have understood so far there has not been any success in flashing the ROM or some other way to enable the WiFi.

[Midget_1990]

I've been trying this for a while now, whatever drivers I include etc i cant get the wifi to turn on, or decide it has a MAC address, thus i conclude that our last hope is in the radio rom.

[GpsPasSion]

I'm game for trying that path, which Radio Rom would make sense to try ?

[tom_codon]

I'm game for trying that path, which Radio Rom would make sense to try ?

Radio rom for Qualcomm msn 7200 chip ( kaiser,polaris ) but i still not have device for try it right now.Midget and me will crack some rom for us.Hope can get it work done in touch dual device :rolleyes:

[GpsPasSion]

Ok, I've found some Kaiser Radio ROMs here http://www.cinetsystems.com/xda/index.php?path=Kaiser+Radio+Only+Upgrades/

I assume the one to use would be the one with the highest REV, i.e. KAIS_Radio_Only_1.27.14.09_CustomRUU.rar ? Downloading it right now.

Then use CustomRUU.zip from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=356259 ?

Not clear if anything else is needed ?

I'm starting from an Orange Dual.

[Midget_1990]

Ok, I've found some Kaiser Radio ROMs here http://www.cinetsystems.com/xda/index.php?path=Kaiser+Radio+Only+Upgrades/

I assume the one to use would be the one with the highest REV, i.e. KAIS_Radio_Only_1.27.14.09_CustomRUU.rar ? Downloading it right now.

Then use CustomRUU.zip from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=356259 ?

Not clear if anything else is needed ?

I'm starting from an Orange Dual.

if you really want to try i packaged one up so it could be flashed onto a touch dual (could permanatly break it) in that thread, click the red text.

[alesbal]

Radio rom for Qualcomm msn 7200 chip ( kaiser,polaris ) but i still not have device for try it right now.Midget and me will crack some rom for us.Hope can get it work done in touch dual device :rolleyes:

If we cant get one of them to wortk, we can wait for the NTT DoCoMo RADIO ROM. It should be available by the end of this month.
What do you think?

[tom_codon]

If we cant get one of them to wortk, we can wait for the NTT DoCoMo RADIO ROM. It should be available by the end of this month.
What do you think?

good news...! we will wait NTT Docomo Radio

@ All :
Midget has tried kaiser radio.It will get simlocked :p
We need find other way for it.:rolleyes:

[maxmerkel]

hi guys, i'm new here and own a touch dual.

first a general question, are there any tools out thtere for flashing htc devices from linux ?


Midget has tried kaiser radio.It will get simlocked :p
We need find other way for it.:rolleyes:

is there a possibility to reinstall the old radio rom and unlock it again or is it bricked forever ?

[Midget_1990]

is there a possibility to reinstall the old radio rom and unlock it again or is it bricked forever ?

that worked for me, but can't guarantee it.

[sau3a1]

Hello everyone.
Excuse me for my poor English.
I am the one living in Japan, and got really excied to hear Dual Slide would be released in Japan.
However, the phone is not yet approved by JATE ( FCC). NTT Docomo hasn't been update the web page since last August. The web page says HT1100 will be available by the end of 2007!!
It will be highly unlikely that HT1100 is release in Japan soon....

Originally, some web page posted that HT1100 has WIFI conectivility,
but they may be confused with F1100, Docomo anounced on the same day.

[alesbal]

It's not a good news! :(

[alesbal]

but this link is reliable??

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=847&id2=736

[lili74]

Hello everyone. I am a new member. Since 1 month I am trying to decide myself wether to buy HTC Touch Dual or HTC Touch Cruise (the new comer). I prefer the HTC Touch Dual but as this cell has no gps and especially no wifi, I was waiting for the cruise to see it and test it in live in a shop to be sure.

In the meantime I have been through the net to see what people was thinking about both, I read that HTC have maybe disable Wifi and GPS on the dual, and I discovered your forum. It gives me hope to buy the dual and activate wifi and gps later on. But unfortunately all great tests you proceeded failed.

So today I decided to call HTC support in Paris (01.70.75.91.71). I explained them that I have a dual and that I have read on the net that it was possible to activate both wifi and gps. They asked me why I need them, I explained and they said that if I accept to reload my cell more often they could activate them, they said it was possible to do it. They asked for the S/N of my cell but as I have not bought it yet I coud not give it to them. Then I explained that I was about to buy one but the missing wifi and gps was a problem for me. So they said I could buy one, call them again and ask them to activate both wifi and GPS and they will do it (on condition I accept to reload my batterie more often).

Can someone with a dual call them and try to find out if this is possible.

Thanks in advance, maybe the solution is getting closer....

[Ko0ka]

Nice...

I'll try that tomorrow and report ASAP...

[GpsPasSion]

Amazing story, will call them too, did you get the name of the person you talked too by any chance ?

I'm a bit perplexed though because we haven't been able to activate wifi yet but we've been able to activate GPS and sensitiviy is terrible, would they be able to activate the antenna as well, a hardware component? How does this activation work, with an SMS ?

Also what's the story about reduced battery life, if you don't use the GPS and turn wifi off there would be no extra power drain.

[varior]

So they said I could buy one, call them again and ask them to activate both wifi and GPS and they will do it (on condition I accept to reload my batterie more often).

Can someone with a dual call them and try to find out if this is possible.

Thanks in advance, maybe the solution is getting closer....

Good news !

Messieurs, j'attends vos retour avec grande impatience !!! :D

[fguitch]

? Is it christmas again ?
I'm waiting for your feedback !!
Great News !!

[jvieira]

Hell Yeah!!

[maxmerkel]

So today I decided to call HTC support in Paris (01.70.75.91.71). I explained them that I have a dual and that I have read on the net that it was possible to activate both wifi and gps. They asked me why I need them, I explained and they said that if I accept to reload my cell more often they could activate them, they said it was possible to do it. They asked for the S/N of my cell but as I have not bought it yet I coud not give it to them. Then I explained that I was about to buy one but the missing wifi and gps was a problem for me. So they said I could buy one, call them again and ask them to activate both wifi and GPS and they will do it (on condition I accept to reload my batterie more often).

Can someone with a dual call them and try to find out if this is possible.

Thanks in advance, maybe the solution is getting closer....

are you kidding me ????? actually i think you are :(
still, i will call tomorrow !

[ducamie]

let us how it goes guys! good luck.

[snudel]

that'S crap, isn't it?
how could they possibly activate it remotely???

[batista70]

Two options : this user is joking - the HTC Support has joked with him .....
Do you think they will "burn" Cruise activing wi-fi and GPS on Dual ????

[mittchell]

i have just called the htc support (dutch)+31207965399 but they werent able to activate wifi nor gps on my touch dual,they argumented that as htc didnt release the phone with those options it wasnt possible for them to activate it, i hope others may have more luck, but i dont think (the easy way) will work :(

[lili74]

I hope KoOka will have more luck, this is no crap, this is what the guy told me but maybe he was kidding me but I do not know why he will do that. I also asked about the difference between the dual and the cruise if gps and wifi were integrated in the dual and he said that on the cruise the camera is a 3 mega pixel and even if you are using gps and wifi it is ok for the batterie, they managed to resolve this problem on the cruise but not on the dual because it was released too soon (for Christmas). As for the antenna and hardware stuff I am not very good at technical issues so I do not know exactly what does it mean.
If KoOla has no luck I will call HTC support again, try to talk to the guy I had yesterday and ask his name...

[Ko0ka]

Sorry boys, i had a big day today...
I swear i'll call them tomorrow at 9 am !

[maxmerkel]

i called the german support, they told me that gps and wifi are definitely not an option and they wont release any updates to enable it.
BUT and thats very good news, they said 3D acceleration is already in the works and they`ll release an update to enable it, maybe 3-4 months from now.

[Ko0ka]

Ok, so...

I just got HTC Hotline on the phone (well the woman i had was definitely NOT hot...).
I said that i was curious and that i read a lot of stuff here and there about wifi on the Niki, and i asked if there was any way to enable it or if HTC was about to publish an upgrade sooner or later...
Well the answer was a clear NO ! => No wifi or GPS on the niki, sir !

However i think the woman i got on the phone wasn't really qualified to answer my question (who said macho ?), she didn't even seem to be very qualified for anything... (5 minutes to get my last name correctly... :)).
So i think i'm gonna try again later, hoping i'll get someone a little more... technical...

And if any of you want to try the Hotline here's my advice : BE PATIENT ! i tried all day and finally got an answer around 5 PM after 15 minutes of flamenco music (nice song by the way...)

[Lukasss]

I called the Belgian hotline (I think it was +32 2 504 44 14, not sure tho) and my answer was also a 'no' for the GSP and WiFi functionality... :(

If the tech'ers at HTC were allowed to enable both WiFi and GPS on the devices, then I wonder why the phones don't support that out of the box...

Anyways, my two cents. :)

[ariandax]

so bad news today .....:(

[flashmp3]

I remember the Trinity was supposed to have GPS. Finally they activated it few months after so let's hope they'll do the same for our Niki (in the same time they never activated the one on Tytn)

[snudel]

that would kill the battery anyway. i have to charge my device every day. how long should it be able to use gps or wlan. 10 minutes and then recharging?

[cybernavid]

Hi,
How are you doing. What is the latest situation? didn't see any updates in this thread lately.

Goodluck to us all (and specially for the WiFi :rolleyes: )

[DaVince]

I used to work on a call center. And yeah.. some agents (but not me.. LOL :D), screw around with customers just to get rid of them... or just for fun. As long as we know that the current conversation is not recorded.. we can have fun all we want. We can say "Sure, we'll do it for you!" or "Yes! we can activate your GPS and Wifi if you give me the S/N of your device and buy more credits!".. so that you will be happy and go away.

The above ( lili74 ) was one of the victims of such mischief.

[DaVince]

Ok, so...

I just got HTC Hotline on the phone (well the woman i had was definitely NOT hot...).
I said that i was curious and that i read a lot of stuff here and there about wifi on the Niki, and i asked if there was any way to enable it or if HTC was about to publish an upgrade sooner or later...
Well the answer was a clear NO ! => No wifi or GPS on the niki, sir !

However i think the woman i got on the phone wasn't really qualified to answer my question (who said macho ?), she didn't even seem to be very qualified for anything... (5 minutes to get my last name correctly... :)).
So i think i'm gonna try again later, hoping i'll get someone a little more... technical...

And if any of you want to try the Hotline here's my advice : BE PATIENT ! i tried all day and finally got an answer around 5 PM after 15 minutes of flamenco music (nice song by the way...)

FYI, none of the call center agents are technical... esp at customer service.
And only 20% of the tech support people are actually technical. They just read solutions of most common tech problems with a script. If the problem is not on the script, we just get a little creative. :D

Just a tip. If you call tech support of any company, immediately ask for the L2 technician if the one you're currently talking to is "unreliable". Don't ask for the supervisor, just the L2 Tech.

[rumble291]

Theres most probably WiFi in the Dual just disabled in Windows like everyone has said or in the Radio rom. Both version of the dual will be made in the same factory and the japanesse one also has a different Windows version. Having a GPS chipset means its capable of having GPS but wont have certain features like an antenna well sounds like that.

[headman]

Hello everyone, and if we try adding missing keys registry for wifi and gps by Kaiser that he virtually the same as hardware?

[Midget_1990]

Hello everyone, and if we try adding missing keys registry for wifi and gps by Kaiser that he virtually the same as hardware?


you think no-one tried that? :rolleyes:

[brutalpingpt]

still have no news for us?? if i can help..i have a portuguese touch dual, just say what you need me to do ;)

good luck with the searching

[garsim]

still have no news for us?? if i can help..i have a portuguese touch dual, just say what you need me to do ;)

good luck with the searching

read this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361923

[jvieira]

still have no news for us?? if i can help..i have a portuguese touch dual, just say what you need me to do ;)

good luck with the searching



can you please post your rom?

[KristianE]

A little funny detail; in the "sound and messages" app, in settings.. I have the option to set the sound of "wireless network found" :)

Could that be they have forgot to remove this little wifi detail in the niki rom? :) Or is it just a standard option in win mobile? :/

another hope of wifi on niki in the horizon..?

Sorry my danish english :)

[foosoomin]

So in overall, it seems that Touch Dual has no Wifi & GPS


Furthermore, the recent news of no graphics accelerator driver makes this device worst

[Billokko]

Sometime they get back...

The upper connector is a "Test Point", the lower is a GSM antenna connector.
Neither WiFi, Nor GPS antennas has been found inside...

No Antenna ? No service!

ufffff so what we can do?:confused::confused:

[slvrbllt]

Looks like my last message (quoted by Billokko) has been removed.

I would really appreciate it if some admin/moderator would explain the reason why it has been delete. I'd like to know whether I have infringed any rules or not, just to avoid any future mistakes...

[Billokko]

Looks like my last message (quoted by Billokko) has been removed.

I would really appreciate it if some admin/moderator would explain the reason why it has been delete. I'd like to know whether I have infringed any rules or not, just to avoid any future mistakes...

don't worry.... the message I quoted is in another post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361923&page=4

[MaTeoS]

There are some Wifi chipset that includes a little internal antenna. Someone who have a htc touch or htc touch v2??? if u open it can u see the antenna???

Sry for my bad english.

[Billokko]

http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=68419&d=1201898658
this is the tuouch dual inside... I don't know about an antenna looks like... (sorry for my english but I'm Italian)

[MaTeoS]

http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=68419&d=1201898658
this is the tuouch dual inside... I don't know about an antenna looks like... (sorry for my english but I'm Italian)

Thanks but we need see a touch or touch xl not a touch dual.

[SMYKUL]

I have just seen this reported on over at Modaco:

http://www.phonenews.com/how-to-add-gps-to-htc-mogul-xv6800-p4000-titan-2663/

Looks like they found a way to activate GPS on an MSM7500 by replacing the radio firmware as suggested elsewhere. A Niki version of this firmware update should be able to activate both GPS and Wifi, provided the antenna is present.

Only problem is that their workaround seems to also rely on an internet connection (for GPS anyway). Weird. Hopefully a fully functional GPS device wont be far around the corner.

[GpsPasSion]

It's probably working in MS-Assited mode, it means measurements are done on the device sent to a server that computes the position. Pretty kludgy if you ask me !

[fritsypeij]

http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=68419&d=1201898658
this is the tuouch dual inside... I don't know about an antenna looks like... (sorry for my english but I'm Italian)

Check http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361923&page=5 for more information about the present Wifi antenna and maybe even a GPS-antenna!

Edit: lol, you've allready replied in that thread :P Should have noticed it :P

[joaosousa]

So, any news on this?

[NetrunnerAT]

if i get a special SPL we can make some wifi tests!

[toby0067]

It may sound stupid but I was just thinking about it.......

Have any of you tried using a USB Wifi device on the HTC Touch Dual with a USB to MiniUSB adapter . Do you think that will work ? Obviously we would require some drivers for the Windows CE version.

Please let me know if something like this works to get Wifi on HTC Touch Dual. Thanks

[NetrunnerAT]

O_o

OK ... USB isnt USB! Importent thing!

Your HTC Nike have a Chipset they cant provide a USB Host Master! It only is a USB slave. it means ... he cant communicate with any other USB slaves.

You can only buy a SIDO Wifi Card for MicroSD slot.

[toby0067]

where do i buy a Microsd with wifi ?

[clonmult]

where do i buy a Microsd with wifi ?

You, er, kinda don't yet.

Spectec were (are?) making them, but they're either not in production, or very difficult to get hold of. And expensive. I think they were supposed to be around $150? And of course you have to take your memory card out.

[rubberduck_84]

I have been waiting for the Spectec microSD WIFI card to come out for my touch plus. Recently i email Spectec to find out when it will be realsed. Unfortunelty i looks as if it wont be compatable with the Nike. Lets hope a solution is found to sort the internal wifi. (see below emails to spectec)

_______________________________

From: ####@spectec.com.tw
To: ####@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: SDW-823 MicroSD WiFi
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:45:16 +0800

Hi xxxx,

Just got a Touch Dual device this morning. After tested, I regret to inform you that SDW-823 can not work with it.

Best Regards,
Justin Chen

----- Original Message -----
From: "####" <####@hotmail.com>
To: <####@spectec.com.tw>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:22 PM
Subject: RE: SDW-823 MicroSD WiFi


> Hello.
>
> Do know any information about the release date for the SDW-823.
>
> Thanks
>
> ####

[Der Wichtel]

Maybe i have missed something but why isn't it possible to flash the radio rom of the polaris into the touch dual?

It was the same thing when they tried to enable GPS on the hermes. They flashed the radio rom of the trinity into the hermes. But since the hermes does not have an antenna the device couldn't get a gps fix

[Klutsh]

Maybe i have missed something but why isn't it possible to flash the radio rom of the polaris into the touch dual?

It was the same thing when they tried to enable GPS on the hermes. They flashed the radio rom of the trinity into the hermes. But since the hermes does not have an antenna the device couldn't get a gps fix

It is possible, but it's not the radio thats stopping GPS it's a value set in the NVRam of the device.

[robert250175]

For the dutch/european readers: There is NO WIFI chip in the phone ! they left it out.
Source (tweakers.net who opened the phone and noticed that they left the chip out)

Only one possibility and thats to buy a minisdcard with wifi!
http://www.spectec.com.tw/tes1image/bsdw_823.jpg
http://www.spectec.com.tw/products_detal.asp?dptype=w1sdw823

[Dutch] From tweakers.
Toch is niet alles beter geworden: de Touch Dual heeft gek genoeg geen wifi-chip meegekregen en dat vinden we op een moderne pda-telefoon toch een misser. Wellicht is HTC van mening dat de toevoeging van het snelle communicatieprotocol hsdpa wifi-ondersteuning overbodig maakt, maar er zijn momenteel nog geen goedkope data-abonnementen die je de hsdpa-snelheid volledig laten benutten en bovendien zijn deze voorzien van een fair-use-policy of een datalimiet van enkele megabytes. Wifi heeft volgens ons dus nog wel degelijk een meerwaarde.

Will translate it later tomorrow.

Kind regards Rob

[indra9110]

in english !!

From tweakers.
Yet not everything is better: the Dual Touch has not crazy enough wifi chip inherited and that we find in a modern PDA-phone is a failure. Perhaps HTC believe that the addition of the rapid communication HSDPA wifi support redundant, but there are currently no inexpensive data subscriptions telling you the speed HSDPA fully exploit and these are provided with a fair-use policy or a few megabytes of data. WiFi has, in our opinion, is still most definitely an added value.

cheers

indra9110

[janan]

For the dutch/european readers: There is NO WIFI chip in the phone ! they left it out.
Source (tweakers.net who opened the phone and noticed that they left the chip out)

The article seems to be a superificial review, I mean, not technically deep enough. I wouldn't say "...twakers.net who opened the phone...", that's not true at all, they simply unboxed it; the only thing opened is battery/simcard space, which is basic for starting the device ;)

Translated page of the article here (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Ftweakers.net%2Freviews%2F 781%2Fhtc-touch-dual-opengeschoven-en-betast.html&langpair=nl%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8).


Only one possibility and thats to buy a minisdcard with wifi!

Are you paid by Spectec :D? just joking ;)
I pesonally think we still can get wifi working on Niki.

Sorry for asking again but, has anyone else taken any photo of the bluetooth board inside the Niki?