Voice Calling for the Shift?

[berry_lthird]

There is a utility in Windows XP called "Dialer". You can configure it to use the modem connected to the computer to make voice calls. It is located in the folder Program Files\Windows NT:

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/dialer_whatis_intro.mspx?mfr=true

In the past, I have used dedicated modems over land-lines to place voice calls using Dialer. In theory, wouldn't it be possible to configure this same utility to place a voice call with the wireless modem built-in to the Shift?

Does Vista include this utility? If not, couldn't it be easily copied from an XP machine to the Shift?

[spzero]

the shift will inclue voice dialling out of the box so not much point to your suggestion but thanks all the same

[OrionBG]

according to some reviews there are NO Voice capabilities in Shift!!!

[spzero]

:D Some news reports are wrong.. and no one has seen a production device yet Htc only just got the FCC approval for voice on a device that is the exact same form factor of the shift and the people that are making the device have leaked out to people on these forums (a few weeks ago) that it does deffinatly have voice and gps which has now being confimed (the gps was confirmed about two days ago by a MS worker)

[Pawel062]

:D Some news reports are wrong.. and no one has seen a production device yet Htc only just got the FCC approval for voice on a device that is the exact same form factor of the shift and the people that are making the device have leaked out to people on these forums (a few weeks ago) that it does deffinatly have voice and gps which has now being confimed (the gps was confirmed about two days ago by a MS worker)

thank you. yes voice and gps.

[amouses]

Hmmm. So when the official European HTC website, Shift section lists both the full Users Guide and Quick Start Guide && When neither mention the GPS or voice capabilitiels.

WELL

If they are included then HTC should re-write it's manuals.

[spzero]

and im sure they will update it now they have the full licence from the FCC to distribute the dev ice with voice capability

[carolusx]

http://www.doctorsgadgets.com/htc-shift-review.html

[alphaandomega]

http://www.doctorsgadgets.com/htc-shift-review.html

Ha. Doesn't he say "No voice, get it out of your head!" ?

[spzero]

Ha. Doesn't he say "No voice, get it out of your head!" ?

Oh yes he does but... look at the date the video review was done its about six months old it almost predates mmobile fones (lol) and the review is based on a very very early rom since this time gps has being confirmed which is not mentioned as it wasnt known back then and ohhh look htc have put the release dte back to january so who knows what there gunna change??????

[mastelos]

yes it has gps 100%,but under vista with what software?

there is not clear until now.

[spzero]

for now use tomtom google maps or whtever in WM6 and once decent gps software is avaiable for vista get that instead!!

[Longkesh]

FCC approval is only for US market.


:D Some news reports are wrong.. and no one has seen a production device yet Htc only just got the FCC approval for voice on a device that is the exact same form factor of the shift and the people that are making the device have leaked out to people on these forums (a few weeks ago) that it does deffinatly have voice and gps which has now being confimed (the gps was confirmed about two days ago by a MS worker)

[spzero]

Yes but if ur going too release something this good to the world is it not better to have approval in what will be one of the biggest buyers for the product.. it makes sense to me and 100% of computer devices i have have the fcc approval but i live in uk.

[thedustroom]

The user manual is available to download from HTC now and there's NO mention of voice capabilities whatsoever!

Sucks ass big time - this was my only hope of having a decent PC and phone - looks like the flybook is a better (but much more expensive) option as the new ones have faster HSDPA and voice!

[badersk]

If you read on Mobileplanet, they spec gps for the US Version but not for the european version. Is this true there fore we should wait for the US one?

[Pawel062]

The user manual is available to download from HTC now and there's NO mention of voice capabilities whatsoever!

Sucks ass big time - this was my only hope of having a decent PC and phone - looks like the flybook is a better (but much more expensive) option as the new ones have faster HSDPA and voice!

would u idiots for lack of a more meaningful word stop looking at the user manuals and what is online and look at a better source who says the shift has phone capabilities. i replicated snapvue on my athena. one of the options when u go to settings is phone where u choose ur profile, ring type, bands, etc.. like in settings/phone of say the athena. IT HAS A PHONE IN IT!! bangelboy even showed the dialer on his.

[hollywould]

He's right, check out this (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9005929379268388045&q=HTC+Shift&total=55&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0) video.

[Pawel062]

He's right, check out this (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9005929379268388045&q=HTC+Shift&total=55&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0) video.

i know im right. i said this from the beginning before bangelboy showed this. my sources are good!

[rlydiard]

i know im right. i said this from the beginning before bangelboy showed this. my sources are good!

Even bangelboy, if you check his website, was not sure that cell phone services would be part of the final production model, although he was hopeful that it would be. Yet, all HTC indications in all their documentation is that cell phone services are not included.

Yes, the hardware is there, but there are some problems, perhaps legal patent rights, that are stalling what we want the HTC Shift to perform. It might still be a case for XDA developers to work out.

I would be happy to have the assurance of your sources, as the evidence at this point seems not to be favorable. It is good for you that you have faith in your sources, but without ascertaining their veracity, out of the box, it is hard to believe the Shift is configured for cell phone service. Would you care to share your sources with us?

[Pawel062]

Even bangelboy, if you check his website, was not sure that cell phone services would be part of the final production model, although he was hopeful that it would be. Yet, all HTC indications in all their documentation is that cell phone services are not included.

Yes, the hardware is there, but there are some problems, perhaps legal patent rights, that are stalling what we want the HTC Shift to perform. It might still be a case for XDA developers to work out.

I would be happy to have the assurance of your sources, as the evidence at this point seems not to be favorable. It is good for you that you have faith in your sources, but without ascertaining their veracity, out of the box, it is hard to believe the Shift is configured for cell phone service. Would you care to share your sources with us?

the build bangelboy had is now a older build and even from the way it looked u could tell it was a test build still. the newer i have now though looks to be much closer to a release build. the phone setting is still in this build. now think of this closely... why would htc include phone settings with ring type selectionm ring tone selection, pin pad, services selection, band selection etc... when there would be no phone. i am pretty sure if bangelboy flashed this build then he would have working phone now.

[rockstar]

Would you care to share your sources with us?

I think he already showed us some possibilities n how it going to be of snapvue in this forum. why dont u try search "snapvue" to see what athena project guys have done. well actually not desined for shift for now, but the snapvue is snapvue, ofcourse they can make it for shift someday!

[Pawel062]

I think he already showed us some possibilities n how it going to be of snapvue in this forum. why dont u try search "snapvue" to see what athena project guys have done. well actually not desined for shift for now, but the snapvue is snapvue, ofcourse they can make it for shift someday!

hmm dont really understand the last part about snapvue. the snapvue for athena is snapvue from shift with a small mod to re enable the softkeys and start menu. it will work on shift and also re enable the soft keys and start menu making the shift's wm6 "Full" again

[rockstar]

ahh, yah...that snapvue is from shift so, that is snapvue is for shift...sorry.I was totally forgot about that.

but now I can order "shift"!!!!
I'm looking for shift by google product search.
looks like someone selling or preorder shift like expansys.

by the way, Iwant to make it Japnese like darkforce wm6.
I really want to try it if I know how....

even HTC starts selling shift in the US with phone function, still I think snapvue need to have mod to re enable full wm6.even if I got japanese, same thing...ROM have to be flahsed, then It's going to be all english again anyway.

[rlydiard]

I think he already showed us some possibilities n how it going to be of snapvue in this forum. why dont u try search "snapvue" to see what athena project guys have done. well actually not desined for shift for now, but the snapvue is snapvue, ofcourse they can make it for shift someday!


Hi, thanks for the reminder to use search, but searching SnapVue did not garner a lot of information. It does seem to me that we are saying the same thing. If you carefully reread my original post, I stated I did not believe that the HTC Shift would come out of the box with cellular voice capabilities, although the hardware is there. You must be aware that the Windows Mobile side of the Shift uses the same Qualcomm processor (Qualcomm MSM 7200, 400MHz) as both the TyTN II (Kaiser) and the Touch Cruise (Polaris). Both of course have full cell phone capabilities. (Note: the Athena uses a different processor.)

By asking me to search SnapVue, it seems you were admitting that out of the box Shift will not have cell phone capabilities other than data.

My theory on this is that HTC did indeed develop Shift prototypes with cell phone capabilities (not just data), but the delays in launching the product allowed HTC to see how US courts would decide in litigation between Qualcomm and Broadcomm. Qaulcomm is of course losing big time in terms of infringement of patents. I have not been able to track down yet exactly which processors are covered, but my guess is that the MSM 7200 does infringe copyrights. From what I can understand, at least the TyTN II can be sold in the states as is, but only for something like 18 months. No new products infringing the patents will be allowed in.

Is it possible that HTC did not activate all cellular phone capabilities on the Shift in order to avoid patent infringement difficulties?

At any rate, I see from another post that you are going to acquire a Shift soon. Would you be so kind as to inform us if you have voice cell phone right out of the box, or if you have to flash the MSM 7200 side of things to gain this ability?

Considering the 3D acceleration problems with the MSM 7200, and possible infringement of patents, I am almost thinking the of Athena again, although I am not very fond of the form factor.

As I live in Taiwan, and know the wife of an HTC tech writer, I will see if I can dig deeper in this mystery. I suspect that few HTC products in the near future will feature Qualcomm processors.

[thedustroom]

would u idiots for lack of a more meaningful word stop looking at the user manuals and what is online and look at a better source who says the shift has phone capabilities. i replicated snapvue on my athena. one of the options when u go to settings is phone where u choose ur profile, ring type, bands, etc.. like in settings/phone of say the athena. IT HAS A PHONE IN IT!! bangelboy even showed the dialer on his.

Sorry but why is reading information supplied directly from HTC themselves being an idiot?

How can any source other than the actual manufacturers be better?

OK, so there are phone settings but there would have to be some phone settings in order for this to access SMS and HSDPA via a SIM card surely?

All sources I have read from HTC suggest that there is NO voice capability, other sources differ wildly - some confirm this and others reckon it does have voice.

Until I see someone actually using this device to make a genuine phone call the jury's still out for me!

[rockstar]

By asking me to search SnapVue, it seems you were admitting that out of the box Shift will not have cell phone capabilities other than data.

oh, sorry then.I thought u can find this page, I just u to see this page
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=346221&highlight=snapvue

so far, I think no one has voice call out of the box. mm idk yet but it might be have it like someome talk about north america version has voice call if I buy after HTC start selling shift with phone out if the box.
but I think I still have to flash rom to use as full wm6 snapvue.
I agree shift has a lot of mystery as u saying.
or like tytn2, someday shift2 will comeout? with full wm6 phone n 128MB RAM.If it can be then so many people will buy shift I think........

[rlydiard]

Of course, rockstar, I had seen those pages. I am just not so interested in if SnapVue can be used on the Athena. Getting SnapVue working on the Athena with voice calls is a nice feature, but porting back to the Shift does not seem to guarantee that it would turn on voice capabilities, does it? Athena always had voice capabilities, uses the Intel® PXA270 624 MHz processor,and runs a full version of WM6, while the Windows Mobile side of Shift uses the Qualcomm MSM7200™, 400MHz processor, and as far as I can understand, runs a stripped down version of WM6. A question that has to be answered is the full version of WM6 actually completely installed, with parts deactivated, or is the mobile OS on the Shift just a subset of WM6.

I am not sure if HTC will introduce the same Shift in the US as they did in Taiwan, but the Shift here (http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/phone/?prod_id=2928) in Taiwan does not have voice capabilities, as only data capabilities have been activated. It seems that it would be more likely to activate voice capabilities for a Shift in Taiwan, as we are not under the injunction of US courts forbidding importation of Qualcomm processors that infringe Broadcomm patents.

So, yes, I guess that the developers will have to activate/install full WM6 capabilities on the Shift, and then tinker with the Shift's SnapVue so you can make phone calls from there.

I am not sure why there is so much interest in SnapVue,as all it really is is a GUI for a very stripped down version of WM6.



oh, sorry then.I thought u can find this page, I just u to see this page
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=346221&highlight=snapvue

so far, I think no one has voice call out of the box. mm idk yet but it might be have it like someome talk about north america version has voice call if I buy after HTC start selling shift with phone out if the box.
but I think I still have to flash rom to use as full wm6 snapvue.
I agree shift has a lot of mystery as u saying.
or like tytn2, someday shift2 will comeout? with full wm6 phone n 128MB RAM.If it can be then so many people will buy shift I think........

[rockstar]

Shift does not seem to guarantee that it would turn on voice capabilities
as Pawel062 says that snapvue is from shift,so it is....cuz I believe Pawel062.

why shift cant make phone calls is only about snapvue doesnt have phone function,shift has enough hardwere to make calls right?
OS supports phone call then must be make calls I think.
If I have a shift now, then I definitly try that mod but I dont even have one now.

[rlydiard]

as Pawel062 says that snapvue is from shift,so it is....cuz I believe Pawel062.

why shift cant make phone calls is only about snapvue doesnt have phone function,shift has enough hardwere to make calls right?
OS supports phone call then must be make calls I think.
If I have a shift now, then I definitly try that mod but I dont even have one now.

Hi rockstar, of course the mobile processor on the Shift has the ability to make voice calls, after all, it is the same processor found on the TyTN II and the Touch Cruise. I think the question is if the Shift has a full or stripped down version of WM6. If, according to other reports, it is a stripped down version that does not have voice capabilities, then before SnapVue can be modified to make calls, it would be necessary to flash a full version of WM6.

Sorry if I did not make my idea clear in the last post. In other words, I think SnapVue is not the major reason that the Shift does not make phone calls, but it is the version of WM6 on the Shift. Seems to me that if the full version were already installed on the Shift, there would be a way to access it without going through SnapVue, but it seems no one has been able to do that yet, including all the people who have reviewed the machine.

And, of course, I do not argue with Pawel062 about SnapVue coming from the Shift. It is not found on any other model from HTC straight from the factory, without modifications such as were made for the Athena. Modifying SnapVue to work on the Athena to make phone calls is no proof that porting it back to the Shift will work on the Shift, unless the Shift absolutely does have a full version of WM6 and at this point this is not a given. Do you see now where the wrench can be thrown into the works and complicate matters?

Perhaps when more people have the Shift in their own hands they can determine what is crippling the voice capabilities, but my bet at this moment still is it is a stripped down version of WM6, and not primarily a SnapVue problem.

Trying again to explain the legal reasons why HTC may have made decisions about cell phone capabilities on the Shift seems useless, as you seem to want to ignore those reasons.

[Pawel062]

man u people do not know how to read. im done with replying here. i have the shift rom and know whats in it. the rom shows what drivers are in there and how wm6 will be etc.. from the rom u can tell if it has phone abilities or not but none reads or believes. im done with sharing any of my shift info. too bad its the most accurate since i have the rom and my bud bangelboy has the device. oh well.

[rlydiard]

man u people do not know how to read. im done with replying here. i have the shift rom and know whats in it. the rom shows what drivers are in there and how wm6 will be etc.. from the rom u can tell if it has phone abilities or not but none reads or believes. im done with sharing any of my shift info. too bad its the most accurate since i have the rom and my bud bangelboy has the device. oh well.

A few questions, if you do not mind. Is the Shift ROM you have the final version? Also, I am wondering how one can flash the ROM on a Shift, as the manual does even mention active syncing with a computer. This is what the manual says about syncing "Synchronize appointments with the Exchange Server --If you want to view the same calendar appointments in both Windows Vista® and SnapVUE, synchronize your appointments with your company’s Exchange Server. To do so, make sure you select Calendar as one of your sync items when you set up your Outlook E-mail account in SnapVUE. See “Set up your Outlook E-mail account” in Chapter 4 for details. Note In order to synchronize your Outlook Calendar on Windows Vista®, you need to have Microsoft® Office Outlook® installed on Windows Vista®."

I of course want to believe what you write, but, my goodness, when you call us all idiots, and attempt to stop us from expressing our own ideas by threatening not to give us your valuable information, well that is a big turn off. Silly me, I thought forums were meant for the exchange of information and ideas.

[Pawel062]

A few questions, if you do not mind. Is the Shift ROM you have the final version? Also, I am wondering how one can flash the ROM on a Shift, as the manual does even mention active syncing with a computer. This is what the manual says about syncing "Synchronize appointments with the Exchange Server --If you want to view the same calendar appointments in both Windows Vista® and SnapVUE, synchronize your appointments with your company’s Exchange Server. To do so, make sure you select Calendar as one of your sync items when you set up your Outlook E-mail account in SnapVUE. See “Set up your Outlook E-mail account” in Chapter 4 for details. Note In order to synchronize your Outlook Calendar on Windows Vista®, you need to have Microsoft® Office Outlook® installed on Windows Vista®."

I of course want to believe what you write, but, my goodness, when you call us all idiots, and attempt to stop us from expressing our own ideas by threatening not to give us your valuable information, well that is a big turn off. Silly me, I thought forums were meant for the exchange of information and ideas.

listen i been giving information from when the shift thread began on the athena forums. i been questioned way too many times and people saying this and that when i stated the facts. if u would see the same thing i did u would of done the same thing. a person can only take so much before he explodes.

the rom is updated like any polaris, hermes, kaiser etc.. its a ruu with btw a nice looking pic for the ruu and u update the same way. vista i havent seen but it will be like ur computer via windows update. the rom is a full rom as if it came from microsoft. it has just connection setup and htc snapvue TODAY plugin on top. the plugin's dll hide all the stuff like the top bar where u have edge, signal etc.. ; the start menul; and the softkeys so it looks like its shit. the settings brings u to something that looks like program files but its links to regular setting. there are exes like phone link, etc.. in windows/settings that give u these settings.

thats how im sure it has a phone. the phone link is that off say the athena where u choose ur ringer(if it didnt have a phone why couldnt u choose the ringing ringtone and ringing type(quiet, ring only, etc..) All the dlls, dialer images, comm manager, etc.. are there. u just need to replace the dlls with the ones in my athena snapvue cab and itll bring back full wm6. i have said this though before a few posts back.

[rlydiard]

Pawel062 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=389307) thanks for the additional information. I look forward to seeing your final work on the product and a guide to the updates. I do not follow everything on the Athena project, so I am not aware of everything going on there.

I do have one more question. Do you know why HTC is shipping Shifts in places like here in Taiwan without phone capabilities being activated and access to a full version of WM? That one really has me puzzled, and it is not the type of information I think I can get from my HTC contacts here in Taiwan.

[TryOG]

Pawel062 deserves a hug...

*HUG* :D

[fatouraee]

i had an idea but not sure if it works or if anyone has tried it. i know the phone has sms. on a normal wm you could click on the number that sent you the sms and dial their number. if some one has shift could you give this a try.
I want to buy the shift but i need the voice option..

also i found this. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4370464807644451727&q=htc+shift&total=56&start=10&num=10&so=1&type=search&plindex=6

watch 00:29s .....

[Pantaloonie]

im done with sharing any of my shift info. too bad its the most accurate since i have the rom and my bud bangelboy has the device. oh well.

If this thread annoys you so much, just stop posting in it.
And if 'bangelboy' was really your bud, you'd know his name, it's Bengelboy. You've spelt it wrong every time.

[TryOG]

If this thread annoys you so much, just stop posting in it.
And if 'bangelboy' was really your bud, you'd know his name, it's Bengelboy. You've spelt it wrong every time.

And if you think you have brains, you should know that bengalboy is bengalboy... (from www.bengalboy.com)

*sshole...

That guy's a hard worker... I know how he feels... :(

People who know a lot will suffer a lot...

Being dumb is being happy :D

[fatouraee]

i know if anyone could do it is (Pawel062)
i have used his roms for htc advantage and he is very talented.
thank you Pawel062 for your great work and i cant wait till shift is here and you can cook some sweet roms for us.

[Pantaloonie]

Heh you PK fanboys make me laugh...
Yes, Pawel has done some nice work making Roms, but it's not rocket science and most of us could do it if needed. And he and others in the 'team' have done pretty well out of it, with xda-dev member subsidised Athenas and donations coming thick and fast when the Roms come out.
I do appreciate the work they have done, and i have donated. But they aren't internet gods and I won't be fawning over them.

[spzero]

Pantaloonie i dont think the donations add up to much i remember olipro stating the amounts against the amount spent on devices that had being briked during development and the time spent on the forum helping every tom dick and harry writing softwre developing etc means there baisically working for free, most people are freeloaders especially on the net just look at p2p, emule and bit torrent (people wont pay for stuff theyd rather steel it) and when sum1 gives something away in the 1st place they dont get 2 many offers of pymt just look @ this forum and yourself there is no star * next to your name but looking at the number of posts youve made you have being a strain on resources to this sight even if that is oly a few pence in extra banwidth and storage, i have donated to all the forums i use regularly to help the community and am proud to have a star next to my name and to have donated to powel and athena project. but these guys mainly have real jobs too and DESERVE our respect and who knows they might just be right on this topic and i bet they are but i dont care anymore as ive since bought a flybook and a asus eee so have no funds for the shift (why am i even here ? curiosity i suppose lol)

[Pantaloonie]

spzero, your comments have prompted me to donate to the forum, it is an excellent source of help and info, and i wouldn't want to be thought of as a leech ;)
As far as this thread goes, I think Pawels statements about the Shift are probably correct, he has the Shift Rom to hand and apparently has contacts at HTC. I wasn't disputing that, but I still stand by my previous comments.

[Pawel062]

the mafia boss enters....

[ltxda]

Hi all.

Who's getting a Shift first?

[ltxda]

http://msmobiles.com/news.php/7025.html

[berry_lthird]

There is a utility in Windows XP called "Dialer". You can configure it to use the modem connected to the computer to make voice calls. It is located in the folder Program Files\Windows NT:

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/dialer_whatis_intro.mspx?mfr=true

In the past, I have used dedicated modems over land-lines to place voice calls using Dialer. In theory, wouldn't it be possible to configure this same utility to place a voice call with the wireless modem built-in to the Shift?

Does Vista include this utility? If not, couldn't it be easily copied from an XP machine to the Shift?
Let's assume that HTC allows voice phone dialing OEM. I'm still curious if my original supposition would work.

[juiceppc]

I don't care who knows what or doesn't know what. All I know is that I'm not buying the shift because it doesn't have full blown Windows Mobile and voice capabilities. If it does in fact have both of those enabled easy to use then it's a slam dunk. I'm buying a Shift!

[juiceppc]

Lately HTC is having a hard time defining what their devices can and can not do...

[mahjong]

Yesterday (30 rd) Paul Ghent from HTC Europe run a conference in Madrid at the Movistar's MovilForum and by the end of the presentation I asked him directly if the HTC Shift could be used to answer a phone call.

Answer... NO WAY.

Due to the size of the Shift they consider not useful the voice over GSM. Anyway the model that will be available in Spain (mid-Feb) will have GSM/GPRS/UMTS/HSDPA for data. So you need to insert a SIM card on it. But NO VOICE.

They mention that the Shift will be delivered in a special price by Movistar... I assume SIM-locked.

More info... in spanish I must say at www.todoumpc.com

[Looking Glass]

Yesterday (30 rd) Paul Ghent from HTC Europe run a conference in Madrid at the Movistar's MovilForum and by the end of the presentation I asked him directly if the HTC Shift could be used to answer a phone call.

Answer... NO WAY.

Due to the size of the Shift they consider not useful the voice over GSM. Anyway the model that will be available in Spain (mid-Feb) will have GSM/GPRS/UMTS/HSDPA for data. So you need to insert a SIM card on it. But NO VOICE.

They mention that the Shift will be delivered in a special price by Movistar... I assume SIM-locked.

More info... in spanish I must say at www.todoumpc.com

You can get the Shift unlocked at "El Corte Ingles" superstores.
But you have to pay.... 1.400 €!

[rpawly]

There is no voice and wm6 is severely limited on the snapvue side. There is no way to open attachments in pocket outlook, there is no synching to a computer, there is no way other than exhange server to import contacts into snapvue, snapvue has a limit of 5 email accounts and after my 4th imap snapvue was complaining about storage space. They have disabled the save attachment to sd card (they cant let you have access to the sd from snapvue side) that would just be too easy :/

[Looking Glass]

So.... it seems we may declare the Shift almost dead....

[koala996]

There is no voice and wm6 is severely limited on the snapvue side. There is no way to open attachments in pocket outlook, there is no synching to a computer, there is no way other than exhange server to import contacts into snapvue, snapvue has a limit of 5 email accounts and after my 4th imap snapvue was complaining about storage space. They have disabled the save attachment to sd card (they cant let you have access to the sd from snapvue side) that would just be too easy :/


look at the thread "full WM6 or WM6.1" and you will find HOW to install application and access the file explorer !

finally done ... yeah !

[riiidaa]

They've really dropped the ball with this device, I'm not buying such an expensive unit because it cannot do voice, it's several hundred £ more than http://www.ebuyer.com/product/133791 which is what I'll now buy and keep my n95 for internet linking when I'm out and about.

I love HTC products but this lack of voice calls is the decider for me...

[rpawly]

They've really dropped the ball with this device, I'm not buying such an expensive unit because it cannot do voice, it's several hundred £ more than http://www.ebuyer.com/product/133791 which is what I'll now buy and keep my n95 for internet linking when I'm out and about.

I love HTC products but this lack of voice calls is the decider for me...

be patient, im sure XDA will have it with voice in less than 2 months ;)

[wu5262]

They've really dropped the ball with this device, I'm not buying such an expensive unit because it cannot do voice, it's several hundred £ more than http://www.ebuyer.com/product/133791 which is what I'll now buy and keep my n95 for internet linking when I'm out and about.

I love HTC products but this lack of voice calls is the decider for me...

I don't understand why you and some people keep thinking Shift must have voice otherwise you won't buy it. What do you think the Shift is? A PDA? A Mobile? It's so wrong to compare Shift with N95, they are completely different product, Shift is a multi-purpose computer, sort of UMPC with a bit of more innovation. Why do you want to compare a computer with mobile phone or smort phone? Do you really expect to make call from a computer? Yes, HTC makes mobile devices, but that doesn't mean Shift is one, don't get me wrong, of course i would love to see Shift with voice and more function enable, but then at the end of the day, they are not doing anything wrong. All i am pointing out is Shift is more of a computer instead of a mobile smart phone. If i want a computer device, i won't consider N95 at all. Just like if i want a PDA Smart phone, i won't consider Shift too. So Buy it or not, depends on your needs.

[eddyve]

If a shift cannot be used as a phone, then it is not better than any other upmc and I think that a mac airbook is a way better solution.

[wu5262]

If a shift cannot be used as a phone, then it is not better than any other upmc and I think that a mac airbook is a way better solution.

I disagree, although there are some disadvantage about shift such as CPU speed and Battery life, but certainly there are quite a few advantage compare to other UMPC.

Here is some example:
Dual Mode, (Vista and WM)------No other UMPC can do this yet
Connection Option---------Provide the richest option for connection, very unique in UMPC
Usable Keyboard-------------Again unique in UMPC, not much UMPC can beat Shift's usable keyboard
Form Factor-------------Shift is the first UMPC using this form factor, which has been pointed out by many pro UMPC forum as the best form factor for UMPC
Size-----------------One of the samllest size 7 inch UMPC out there
Forum Support-------------You will received tons of support for Shift in this forum, not much UMPC can be compare to this :)

So there you go, Shift is not perfect, and will never be, but it's certainly one of the machine you should think about when buying UMPC. And don't forget it's HTC first attempt in UMPC (Computer) market, and i think they have done a good job already. If you go back and see the first model of OQO and Samsung Q1, you will realize they aren't good at all too.

[ltxda]

I disagree, although there are some disadvantage about shift such as CPU speed and Battery life, but certainly there are quite a few advantage compare to other UMPC.

Here is some example:
Dual Mode, (Vista and WM)------No other UMPC can do this yet
Connection Option---------Provide the richest option for connection, very unique in UMPC
Usable Keyboard-------------Again unique in UMPC, not much UMPC can beat Shift's usable keyboard
Form Factor-------------Shift is the first UMPC using this form factor, which has been pointed out by many pro UMPC forum as the best form factor for UMPC
Size-----------------One of the samllest size 7 inch UMPC out there
Forum Support-------------You will received tons of support for Shift in this forum, not much UMPC can be compare to this :)

So there you go, Shift is not perfect, and will never be, but it's certainly one of the machine you should think about when buying UMPC. And don't forget it's HTC first attempt in UMPC (Computer) market, and i think they have done a good job already. If you go back and see the first model of OQO and Samsung Q1, you will realize they aren't good at all too.

Well said and perfect points.

[foxmeister]

If a shift cannot be used as a phone, then it is not better than any other upmc and I think that a mac airbook is a way better solution.

The reason I bought the Shift was because I wanted a very small, portable, fully featured PC with integrated HSDPA. The Shift suits that purpose perfectly whereas the MacBook Air does not. I never thought that I wanted to use it as a phone, and I can't even imagine any situation when I would actually want to use it as a phone - YMMV of course!

Regards,

Dave

[pitt1983]

The reason I bought the Shift was because I wanted a very small, portable, fully featured PC with integrated HSDPA. The Shift suits that purpose perfectly whereas the MacBook Air does not. I never thought that I wanted to use it as a phone, and I can't even imagine any situation when I would actually want to use it as a phone - YMMV of course!

Regards,

Dave

i agree, this shift have nothing to envy(envi) (boh!) to tha mcbook air!!

[ktka]

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This is actually very true, I believe when HTC started to develope the Shift they didn't know that some small-time thieves named DualCor will come and spoil everyone's party by patenting a device with Windows Mobile, Windows and Phone in a single package. Probably at the time they were trying to keep everything real quiet to stay ahead of the competition, then before launch DualCor patents a vapourware and HTC had to write this "Snapped Vue" to make sure they dont get sued.

[eddyve]

hi ktka

I don't think that is appropriate to call Dualcor "small-thieves because they were the first company with this idea. Even Apple had a problem when they called their phone iphone since this name was copyrighted already. Anyway, the Dualcor device has some advantages on the Shift (faster CPU, phone), but lacks a number of features: only wm5.0, not Vista but an old xp tablet version, no keyboard. I think that HTC is big enough to eat this tiny Dualcor company or otherwise let them pay for the patent.

[ktka]

hi ktka

I don't think that is appropriate to call Dualcor "small-thieves because they were the first company with this idea. Even Apple had a problem when they called their phone iphone since this name was copyrighted already. Anyway, the Dualcor device has some advantages on the Shift (faster CPU, phone), but lacks a number of features: only wm5.0, not Vista but an old xp tablet version, no keyboard. I think that HTC is big enough to eat this tiny Dualcor company or otherwise let them pay for the patent.

Well you're right about the inappropiateness to call them "thieves", as I have yet to see a DualCor product anywhere on sell. You should really check this out too: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070904-dualcor-sues-intel-over-dual-core-branding.html

After reading that, maybe you might want to rethink - "Crooks", prehaps?

[eddyve]

Not "crooks", but rather desperately looking for money to survive.

[ktka]

Not "crooks", but rather desperately looking for money to survive.

Agree to that! Imagine the amount they will be asking for if HTC wants to license their "patented technology". I just wonder what happens to a patent in the US when a company goes bankrupted?

[eddyve]

I don't think that voice calling is violating the Coredual patent. I read the patent yesterday and it looks like the Shift itself is a violation of the patent already. The dual core technology of Intel or AMD however are not violating the patent, they use 2 or 4 cores in one cpu. This patent is talking about using 2 different cores (cpu) in one device (motherboard) with 2 different OS's. It doesn't mention which OS. Any manufacturer who will make a device with 2 cpu's inside will have to pay to pay to these guys.
I still hope that HTC will ship the Shift with a full wm6.1 (or 7.0) in the future including phone capabilities, but perhaps with a faster cpu (like Dualcor has).

[rockstar]

mmm when I can use shift as a phone....
even if I use BT headset for voice, still can't use as a phone right?