GPS Working in Dual

[hdubli]

I did some investigation and made GPS work to get the satellite Fix.But the Comm Port is very much differrent and now need to b checked further so that the other apps such as Tom Tom, etc can use the port.To my Surprise the Protocol is Qualcomm and Comm Port is SMD 7.Here are the pics attached.

ALso some pics of Wi Fi.
I hope someone here can make it work..

[J273]

Excellent

How did you manage to get GPS to get a fix on this?

thanks

[IceHack]

HI Hdubli!

VERY VERY excellent!

...so let me understand: Are you trying to switch on the GPS system inside the Dual?

How can i see the same pics of your?

Thk

[henftling]

I did some investigation and made GPS work to get the satellite Fix.But the Comm Port is very much differrent and now need to b checked further so that the other apps such as Tom Tom, etc can use the port.To my Surprise the Protocol is Qualcomm and Comm Port is SMD 7.Here are the pics attached.

ALso some pics of Wi Fi.
I hope someone here can make it work..

...you know u become the master of touch when getting this to work...Best luck and keep us informed...
Thank you for your kind investigation

[LoGiKZ]

Oh baby!! GPS, wifi and unlock would be the best combination ever :D :D :D

Let us know about your progress at the GPS area...

Good work!

Regards,
LoGiKZ

[hdubli]

I used HTC GPS tool and some gps related DLLs.I will post the files and procedure once I get the GPS apps to use that port.

[IceHack]

Perfect Hdubli....

You are right about GPS... I've already seen a device with GPS turned ON in Dual....as i wrote in my last post.

Good Luck and keep us in contact!

Bye
:D

[Vorbeth]

Typical, I ordered my HTC Touch on Friday (Arrived today), Then someone posts something like this.

Well thanks to good 'ol Orange My HTC Touch Dual will be here wednesday :)

I just hope now that this can be acheived, as I didn't really want to loose Wi-Fi, but having GPS builtin will be worth it.

And if I can help by dumping files from either device I'll gladly do it.

[PseudoReal]

the chipset is definetly supporting GPS, but without a build-in antenna, I believe you won't have a good signal :)

[J273]

the chipset is definetly supporting GPS, but without a build-in antenna, I believe you won't have a good signal :)

Yeah..thats what i thought....hopefully theres an antenna in there.


So hdubli...have you actually managed to get satellite lock?

[IceHack]

PseudoReal how can you say it?

Do you think that there is not a built-in antenna in this device?
Anyway... we all are interested in this new stuff! :D

come on guys... i now you can find the way to un-lock them!!

[tenticle56]

So hdubli...have you actually managed to get satellite lock?

He says right in the very first post that he managed to get a lock using the internal HTC app:

I did some investigation and made GPS work to get the satellite Fix.

hdubli, keep up the great work!

You will be a hero to many people on this board if you can get GPS working with TomTom, etc :D

[LoGiKZ]

You will be a hero to many people on this board if you can get GPS working with TomTom, etc :D

Oh yes!! He will be a hero for sure :D :D

By the way, i know that this isn't the right thread, but anyone here knows how can i SIM unlock my dual? and by the way, is there any WWE rom around the corner? :D

Thanks in advance,
LoGiKZ

[PseudoReal]

PseudoReal how can you say it?

Do you think that there is not a built-in antenna in this device?
Anyway... we all are interested in this new stuff! :D

come on guys... i now you can find the way to un-lock them!!

There is no built-in antenna because of space limitations. I have heard this from a person working for a company selling the DUAL.

[zeflash]

Funny how people think.
The qualcomm chip can undoubtedly handle the wifi & the gps.
But the chipset only won't do much good without an *antenna*, for wifi or gps.
You know, the thing that actually gets the signal, just like the one you need to have to watch TV.
An antenna costs money. There is absolutely no way HTC would build a phone with antennas for gps & wifi, without putting support for it in it just for licensing reasons.

[J273]

He says right in the very first post that he managed to get a lock using the internal HTC app:



hdubli, keep up the great work!

You will be a hero to many people on this board if you can get GPS working with TomTom, etc :D


Oh yeah...sorry missed that.

[PseudoReal]

Funny how people think.
The qualcomm chip can undoubtedly handle the wifi & the gps.
But the chipset only won't do much good without an *antenna*, for wifi or gps.
You know, the thing that actually gets the signal, just like the one you need to have to watch TV.
An antenna costs money. There is absolutely no way HTC would build a phone with antennas for gps & wifi, without putting support for it in it just for licensing reasons.

fully agree!

[J273]

Hasn't IceHack mentioned though that he's seen a dual with Wifi and GPS working with tomtom....which must mean it has the antenna.

Also wasn't it the same with the p3600 at release the GPS didnt work and it wasn't in the specs but later rom updates unlocked the GPS......... and the same with the s730 smartphone,not in the actual specs but present in the hardware.

So im hoping this is the case with the Dual ....all the hardware's there including antenna just needs unlocking with future rom updates or hacks.


Hopefully thats the case anyway..gps and wifi in the dual would be perfect and a great replacment for my kaiser.

[andynumpty]

:) keep up the good work.

[IceHack]

Yes guys, as I told you I saw a Dual with this functions active!

i'm sure that was not a MicroSd - Wifi or and GPS BT near to the device!

As happened with my P3300 I saw excatly the same ways of connects....

Now, I really don't know how to do that... even if I don't think that HTC's has decided to unmount the antenna but leaving these settings in it!

Don't you think it doesn't make so much sense?!:cool:

[Vorbeth]

hdubli:
Could you posibly post what you have so far, so the more adventurous of us could possibly try to help?

[kwchan]

There is no built-in antenna because of space limitations. I have heard this from a person working for a company selling the DUAL.

hmm, is that an excuse or reason?

why don't they build a PDA without screen since the screen also taking up lots of space :rolleyes:

[motin]

keep up the good work !!!!

[shinji_73]

http://www.3gchipsets.co.kr/download_library/pdf/msm7200_chipset.pdf

so can we say that gps is on the touch dual for sure?

[guap]

again... the gps is IN, the matter regards antenna... Please, read all post.

[IceHack]

let me understand: why do they put in the Dual GPS system if then is NOT possible to use?! :confused: :confused: :confused:
...because there's no "antenna"...

Is there maybe a kind of program that needs the GPS system to be used??

...I think it's more possible they put it inside to use (maybe) in the next ROM!

Exactly has happened to P3600 device

than sorry... I'm not so good in english...but where do you see write that there's no antenna in?
I red that the chipset can gets the signal by Support external Bluetooth® 2.0 as one of the possible choose

[IceHack]

looking to youtube I found this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCwEvmY3LSA

this device has the same chip of Dual (MSM 7200) and as we can see the GPS works...

and the price is very very similar!

[juraj_bond]

as far as I know, Touch Dual, Touch Cruise and Kaiser have all the same qualcomm heart. So all of them have wi-fi and gps. For htc it would be more expensive to have several kinds of CPUs to put in. This one has proven itself to be very good for mobile devices, so they are putting it in the new machines. including gps and wi-fi. If i understand correctly, to NOT include wi-fi and/or GPS there would require a chainsaw.
However, if an antenna is there or not is a very different question. HTC may have decided to have the antenna inside and connected, and block it only with the software (such as was the case with HTC Trinity, if I am not mistaken), or to not connect the antenna at all (original HTC TyTN).
There are at least two reviews available stating that someone was able to get some sort of signal on the Touch Dual, although wery weak. This would indicate that the antenna is indeed not there, although you never know. It's just like a radio .. antenna takes the most space, and technically the radio is able to function without it ... .but you may end up having to have the touch dual resting on the satellite surface to get a lock. As it was mentioned here several times, the Touch Dual has the brains, it's the muscles that it is probably missing :-)
That guy in fnac in Lausanne (I live in lausanne and talked with him) had one of those pre-production Touch Duals that had wi-fi to start with. HTC decided to pull it back only later, as you probably all know.

[J273]

Any updates on your findings hdubli?


Thanks

[shinji_73]

we all know that htc released an update that enabled the gps in p3600.

Now, wouldn't be possible to understand (maybe through reverse engineering or whatsoever technique) how the update is able to awake the gps?

If you compare msm7200 chipset (touch dual) and msm6275 chipset (p3600) it seems that gps signal chain is the same...

[slvrbllt]

That's really incredible !!! It seems that people do not read other posts before typing their message. The last few messages keep on repeating the same thing ! Different words, same concept...

Once for all:
While the chipset is the same as mounted on other devices, it is likely that there is NO ANTENNA built in on our DUAL.
So even if you enabled the WiFi/GPS functionalities, it would HARDLY WORK without a proper antenna (not counting the risk of burning the final signal amplifier).

And that makes perfectly sense from a commercial point of view: mounting the same CPU on different devices saves a lot of time in terms of development and testing!
You want a Q7200 CPU equipped device, with GPS and WiFi enabled? REALLY ??? Well, get yourself a KAISER (~800EUR) instead of a NIKI (~400EUR). Got it ?

IF, and I repeat IF, a built in antenna is found inside the Dual, then it would be likely that someone will be able to enable the hidden features.
Otherwise, there will be nothing to do, unless you create and solder an home made antenna yourself.

So please, stop posting messages like: "The chipset is the same", "the GPS is there", "The WiFi was there on pre-production devices"... That would lead nowhere. Let's hope that someone confirms that the antenna is there (even though I sadly think not) before asking for more...

My 2 EuroCent!

[guap]

That's really incredible !!! It seems that people do not read other posts before typing their message. The last few messages keep on repeating the same thing ! Different words, same concept...

[...]

So please, stop posting messages like: "The chipset is the same", "the GPS is there", "The WiFi was there on pre-production devices"... That would lead nowhere. Let's hope that someone confirms that the antenna is there (even though I sadly think not) before asking for more...

My 2 EuroCent!

http://forum.xda-developers.com/images/icons/icon14.gif
... And the fastest way to know for sure if there are some antennas in there is to OPEN it and make some decent pictures with a camera, it's totally useless and a waste of time trying to activate wifi and gps until we know that.

So, do you want gps and wifi? OPEN it and see in there, and don't care about warranty: if you do it slowly, gently and smootly they don't realize it ;) Unfortunately, for now don't have a dual because I'm waiting for 16key version in italy :(

[shinji_73]

IF, and I repeat IF...


Let's hope that someone confirms that the antenna is there (even though I sadly think not) before asking for more...



Grazie Mr. Pazzanica for your constructive approach.
This is the one this forum needs.

[Pawel062]

touch dual has the chipset like is said here. if the guy gets a lock it means the antenna is here. on the hermes without the antenna we could never get a lock. now heres something for the thread starter. I would NOT and i repeat NOT release the htc debug tools. they are htc property and we dont need up up out A** for releasing them to public so if you have these keep them to your selves. the drivers and quick gps are the only things needed to get the gps to work. the debug tools are there to debug. release the drivers and quickgps and everyone get ur tomtom ready.

[Untouchab1e]

I just called HTC actually, and well.. the guy I spoke to (not surprisingly) had never heard of GPS and WiFi being integrated, so i explained how the qualcomm CPU has got it built in, and he was amazed, lol.. so he took my named and said he would try digging..

But he did told me that there werent any rumours going around about a planned ROM update for the Dual activating either WiFi or GPS.

[slvrbllt]

Grazie Mr. Pazzanica for your constructive approach.
This is the one this forum needs.

Can't understand whether you're sarcastic or not...
Btw, where that Pazzanica came out from ?

[shinji_73]

...It seems that people do not read other posts before typing their message...

...You want a Q7200 CPU equipped device, with GPS and WiFi enabled? REALLY ??? Well, get yourself a KAISER (~800EUR) instead of a NIKI (~400EUR). Got it ?...



Just a question...in your opinion what is this thread about?
If you're not interested in a Q7200 CPU equipped device with GPS and WiFi enabled than why reading/writing on this thread?



Btw, where that Pazzanica came out from ?

Sorry about that.

[sevsev]

Nice! Doesn't the Vogue have the same chipset??

[chrysaor]

Looks liek Vogue has a =different chipset 7500. Anyway someone claimed it might have a built-in gps feature. Wait and see for the experts.

Also waiting for hdubli's results ..

[IceHack]

...news? :confused:

[canadian student]

I'm more interested if anyone can unlock the 850 band?

[IceHack]

News?? :confused:

[J273]

Yeah any updates hdubli

Really unsure on whether to order one or not...If it does have GPS Ill defo order a new dual.

[henftling]

...in case you guys want to ge pics of the inside hardware...
this guy has posted one photo already here

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1689571&postcount=10

talk to him, I´m sure he would be glad to help out

[J273]

...in case you guys want to ge pics of the inside hardware...
this guy has posted one photo already here

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1689571&postcount=10

talk to him, I´m sure he would be glad to help out

Ahh thanks alot

Any ideas guys if this is the antenna needed?

[Dagnelinos]

the connector is only for gsm ext.

[uiqjirka]

On the picture you can see the device HTC Touch Dual has two outputs for the external antenna.I have disassembled my own HTC device...

[uiqjirka]

Foto is here:

http://www.edisk.cz/stahni/80175/dual.rar_751.04KB.html

[uiqjirka]

Foto is here:

http://www.edisk.cz/stahni/80175/dual.rar_751.04KB.html

[Dagnelinos]

many thx for the photos, great work

[uiqjirka]

On my pictures there are two antenna outputs : on the right top and on the right bottom.Both outputs are certainly not intended for GSM.

[krestean]

does hsdpa use the same antenna as gsm/ 3g:confused:

just wondering..

[J273]

How many satellites would needed to be locked onto to get a good fix?

[cassio]

How many satellites would needed to be locked onto to get a good fix?
as much as possible obviously, but minimum would be 3 satellites

[J273]

Well ive heard from hdubli that he got lock to 4 satellites....surely that must means theres an antenna in there?

[Dagnelinos]

Well ive heard from hdubli that he got lock to 4 satellites....surely that must means theres an antenna in there?

error post...
waiting for hdubli update...:D

[cone_rch]

On my pictures there are two antenna outputs : on the right top and on the right bottom.Both outputs are certainly not intended for GSM.

To uiqjirka

The one on the top is not an antenna, is a testpoint, the one in the bottom is the RF antenna conector

[Dagnelinos]

To uiqjirka

The one on the top is not an antenna, is a testpoint, the one in the bottom is the RF antenna conector

for you the hardware is complete or not?

[uiqjirka]

The one on the top is not test poin..

[mykie]

How many satellites would needed to be locked onto to get a good fix?

if the receiver never been online, he needs 4 sats, 3 for place and 1 for the timeproblem. If it has already a fix then it can be lesser sats.

[cone_rch]

The one on the top is not test poin..

In the service manual says... testpoint :cool:

[SplatMan_DK]

Hi developers (the real ones!)

Please note this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1733688#post1733688

rgds

- Jesper

[henftling]

On my pictures there are two antenna outputs : on the right top and on the right bottom.Both outputs are certainly not intended for GSM.


Maybe you could check if there is an antenna by comparing to o2 branded version of Polaris? does this phtot help it shows the gps antenna should be above the camera lens...

[varior]

In the service manual says... testpoint :cool:

Hi !
Could you post this service manual please ?
thx :D

[NetrunnerAT]

Hi !
Could you post this service manual please ?
thx :D

The funniest post ever!

[varior]

The funniest post ever!
Could you explain your answer ?
I don't think i'm stupid :mad:
I've already seen PDF documents called "Service Manual" reserved for HTC support teams...
So please, be cool :o
Thx

[LarsMK]

Guess there's a differnce between something leaked through anonymous channels and something leaked through a message board - if he or she is employed at HTC.

[Dagnelinos]

hdubli any news?:D

[Greenturtle]

Hey this is probably really irrelevant but is this at all useful?

http://www.modaco.com/content/Smartphone-Standard-News/262137/Motorola-Q9H-ATT-GPS-ACTIVATED-updated-/

Applies GPS to Com ports or something?

[J273]

I Pm'd hdubi earlier in the week and said he was going to update the thread this weekend.

Hopefully he will.

[hdubli]

hello guys,
Sorry for the delay..the device is still not with me so I couldn't play with it..and post an update.I will try to get it in a day or two, if I don't get, I will post the procedure and files, so that all can try on their own and come out with solution :)

[t0p0gigi0]

This will be great.

I'm waiting for one touch dual. If I can help on this in someway, let me know.

;)

t0p0gigi0

[NetrunnerAT]

Could you explain your answer ?
I don't think i'm stupid :mad:
I've already seen PDF documents called "Service Manual" reserved for HTC support teams...
So please, be cool :o
Thx

if you have see ... you are the lucky one. no support guy will lost his job for a stupid manual. the moste first level or secound level manuals are useless. you need manuals for componenten repair. i think ... only a handfull ppls here ... can read it! if they can read ... the found it or they wait!

if you have some ... please upload it on the xda ftp!

[Midget_1990]

Hi guys, interesting discussion going on here, ive jsut recieved my touch dual (from Orange UK, on a 1000min/500sms contract) and will be looking forward to contributing to this effort!

[petio92]

I did some investigation and made GPS work to get the satellite Fix.But the Comm Port is very much differrent and now need to b checked further so that the other apps such as Tom Tom, etc can use the port.To my Surprise the Protocol is Qualcomm and Comm Port is SMD 7.Here are the pics attached.

ALso some pics of Wi Fi.
I hope someone here can make it work..

hi hdubly
i want to ask you anything the pics that you post are from wich htc?
because in my touch dual, i have found the wi-fi setting (i don t manage to turn on) but on your last picture, we can see that you have "IEEE 802.11b/g compatible wi-fi..." this line seems to be a wi-fi antena but it doesn't appear on my touch dual

sorry for my english i'm from paris

[hdubli]

Great!!
We have him so now things will b faster :)

Hi guys, interesting discussion going on here, ive jsut recieved my touch dual (from Orange UK, on a 1000min/500sms contract) and will be looking forward to contributing to this effort!

[hdubli]

I tried to use the registry export and posrted the files from a dump rom of Sedna.I am still trying.

hi hdubly
i want to ask you anything the pics that you post are from wich htc?
because in my touch dual, i have found the wi-fi setting (i don t manage to turn on) but on your last picture, we can see that you have "IEEE 802.11b/g compatible wi-fi..." this line seems to be a wi-fi antena but it doesn't appear on my touch dual

sorry for my english i'm from paris

[J273]

I tried to use the registry export and posrted the files from a dump rom of Sedna.I am still trying.

Is there any chance you could post what you have so far and maybe Midget could help.

[Midget_1990]

if someone could bring me uptodate quickly im sure i could help :)

[J273]

if someone could bring me uptodate quickly im sure i could help :)


Maybe this may help you....i know its the wifi thread but Chainfires trying to enable both.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=348912&page=14

[Midget_1990]

from what i've read there it seems the problem is the radio rom not having them enabled (makes sense) so what we need to do now is find a device with teh same radio/wifi/gps chips and find someone willing to flash a radio from that device as a test ;)

[J273]

from what i've read there it seems the problem is the radio rom not having them enabled (makes sense) so what we need to do now is find a device with teh same radio/wifi/gps chips and find someone willing to flash a radio from that device as a test ;)

So could it be any device sharing the same chipset?

Kaiser / cruise .etc

[Midget_1990]

So could it be any device sharing the same chipset?

Kaiser / cruise .etc

Atm the kaiser and cruise look like likely suspects but to confirm we need pics of teh insides, i'd love to do that but it would void my (expensive) insurance by opening it, anyone want to? ;)

[J273]

Atm the kaiser and cruise look like likely suspects but to confirm we need pics of teh insides, i'd love to do that but it would void my (expensive) insurance by opening it, anyone want to? ;)

Theres some internal shots of the dual on here somewhere...do you need kaiser internal shots aswell?

edit: heres the dual internals (Thanks to uiqjirka)

[Midget_1990]

Theres some internal shots of the dual on here somewhere...do you need kaiser internal shots aswell?

edit: heres the dual internals (Thanks to uiqjirka)

we need them so you can actually see the chips (and high res) in that pic the cables and silver cover plates are still on, and i think people already know what is in the kaiser ;)

[Pawel062]

from what i've read there it seems the problem is the radio rom not having them enabled (makes sense) so what we need to do now is find a device with teh same radio/wifi/gps chips and find someone willing to flash a radio from that device as a test ;)

i believe you all are safe to flash radios from polaris and kaiser. i remember when oli did the first unlocker for athena he i believe used a hermes radio thats why step 3 was needed to flash back a athena radio to get gps back. follow up with olipro though to be sure.

[Midget_1990]

i believe you all are safe to flash radios from polaris and kaiser. i remember when oli did the first unlocker for athena he i believe used a hermes radio thats why step 3 was needed to flash back a athena radio to get gps back. follow up with olipro though to be sure.

yes i realised (guessed) that wanted to confirm with him but he hasnt been answering me on msn so i thought if someone had pics i could confirm quicker like that ;)

[J273]

we need them so you can actually see the chips (and high res) in that pic the cables and silver cover plates are still on, and i think people already know what is in the kaiser ;)


Ahhh ok...sorry i got no idea ...im just trying to help out ,as im desperate to get GPS on this thing :)

[Pawel062]

yes i realised (guessed) that wanted to confirm with him but he hasnt been answering me on msn so i thought if someone had pics i could confirm quicker like that ;)

as far as i know hes sleeping(cmonex told me)

[Midget_1990]

as far as i know hes sleeping(cmonex told me)

heh ok lol

[Dagnelinos]

any good news, today? :(

[ostehovel]

any good news, today? :(

I don't think so :P
Im gonna get my NIKI for Christmas! Just 5(soon 4) days left

[J273]

any good news, today? :(

Yeah.any update guys?...Is it possible to flash the kaiser radio to the dual?

Thanks

[Midget_1990]

Yeah.any update guys?...Is it possible to flash the kaiser radio to the dual?

Thanks

Possible, yes. do we know if it will break it? no.

[live2themaxuk]

Possible, yes. do we know if it will break it? no.

I double dare you . . . . . . .:)

[GpsPasSion]

May be needed for WiFi but it seems the OP didn't have to do it for GPS ?

[Midget_1990]

May be needed for WiFi but it seems the OP didn't have to do it for GPS ?

that seems to be the case

[Vorbeth]

Now if we could just get the files and method that was promised I'm sure we would get further.

[GpsPasSion]

Yes, I'm not sure what the hold up is ?

[J273]

I double dare you . . . . . . .:)


I might be getting another this weekend...Sent my first one back after wanting the 20key model....might give it a try ;)

So is there no way of flashing back to the standard radio?

@Hdubi

Any chance fella you could post your settings/mehtod .etc to get somthing from the GPS?

Thanks

[ducamie]

is the first step not to work out a cid unlock?

[hdubli]

As Midget and others are trying, I post here what I did to get the GPS signals.I hope this helps in getting solution faster.
files : rapidshare.de/files/38082539/Desktop.rar.html

Procedure :
-Copy these files into Windows directory.
-Open GPS tool,select "Sirf III" it will give a pop up "is it a qualcomm chip" .Say yes and then u will see SMD7 in com port option.

-Now select open and u can see the gps data.If u move out u can start geting satellites also.

I hope this helps.

[tcs80]

Just curious, does it has A-GPS as well? Waiting for experts to confirm hdubli's finding!

[lesteryh]

thanks hdubli for the files to test, follow your intruction i got the program run in my touch dual, so bring it to test under the sun but unfortunately it can't get satelite fix after trying for 15minutes, by the way pls look at the attached image, this is what i manage to get after 15minute.

[tcs80]

Mind to share the files here? Rapidshared alwiz not possible for me to dl :(

[GpsPasSion]

@hdubli - thanks for sharing.
No antenna in mine for sure, even right next to my reradiating antenna it can't see a single satellite after 3+ minutes, will let it try a bit longer. Neat tool though, I'm going to try it on the Kaiser ;-)

[kwchan]

Mind to share the files here? Rapidshared alwiz not possible for me to dl :(

here u go...

[Dagnelinos]

but hdubli have a test with 4 satellite fix...right?
is a terrible news, if the problem is an hw problem...damn

:(

[GpsPasSion]

I did see two satellites pop-up briefly but they didn't stay, I'm not sure it's "terrible news", there was little hope to have an operational GPS in there and it's easy enough to use a Bluetooth GPS ;-)

WiFi would be nice though !

[live2themaxuk]

TBH for me, Wifi is the make or break as to whether i buy this device. . .


Jamie

[Midget_1990]

I get the same, one sat after ages of waiting, although mine is 21 not 18 :D

[Dagnelinos]

eheh, ok i'm waiting for the next ouch dual with gps & wifi...that sadness

[rcappadona]

same for me guys, just 1 satellite being waiting for minutes in open air space.
:(

[RsRichard]

@hdubli: in your screenshots theres written "802.11 wifi"

how did you manage to get this?

do you have an howto for wifi to share with us?

[Aqrab]

hi guy good news

i get 3 satellite

here what i do

1- i turn on bluetooth
2- i open the slide
3- i hold the phone behind the end botton

it stay there for about a 50 sec but after that it go to 2 satellite 1 satellite and then 0 satellite

[GpsPasSion]

I think this is a lost cause, let's move on to wifi !

[ducamie]

is this an antenna problem? i assume it is..

[J273]

Its a shame but it looks that way.

Hopefully if we can flash a radio with it already enabled it may come to life.

[hwieen]

Just installed the GPStest,

got 2 -3 satellite for few times then just disappear, still don't have a fix.

when I open using COM7 the blue led flashing but no bluetooth turn on, nothing happen.

will keep trying....

I'm in APAC.

[t0p0gigi0]

Well..... I don'nt think it's a lost cause ;)



Keep the good working guys. If you need my help in anything, tell me please because I have a Touch Dual. I can make tests.

[J273]

Well..... I don'nt think it's a lost cause ;)



Keep the good working guys. If you need my help in anything, tell me please because I have a Touch Dual. I can make tests.

Im still hopeing with future radio updates it may become fully usable.

[Pawel062]

Im still hopeing with future radio updates it may become fully usable.

i hate to burst ur bubble but if no one here can get more than 3 satellites it means theres really no hope bc a antenna is missing like it was on hermes.

there will be some ways for people to get a lock maybe once in a long while when they find a way to get the chipset to get the best possible signal but it wont be anywhere near usable with so little satellites.

someone needs to look at a hardware mod and see if its plausable.

maybe quickgps might help u guys a bit.

[IceHack]

hi guys...
I downloaded the file to GPS...
can someone explain me how to set?
I'd like to see if i can get more than 3 satellites!

hope!

thanks

[jincongz]

Anyone feel like soildering? I personally don't have one, but am really interest in a Dual.

[Nemo3000]

I have tried the gps packet but appear not working, I don't now if I have wrong something, it's possible to explain better the system or create a mini guide? I work frequently with electonic and i can try to create an antena o to connect it.

[TopGun2000]

Can any one of you send me the nvm_gps & nvm_gpsone files which can be obtained by QPST EFS explorer? The tools can be downloaded from http://www.mobile-files.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34392
http://www.pifusa.com/sniper/PPC-6700%20ESN%20Files.zip

I am trying to figure out if mine has been disabled via software. TIA!

[jockyw2001]

On Kaiser QPST Explorer errors out with "The phone you have chosen does not support an embedded file system. Do you wish to cancel the connection to this phone?"

I think it'll be same on Niki and other QC based HTC phones.

[TopGun2000]

On Kaiser QPST Explorer errors out with "The phone you have chosen does not support an embedded file system. Do you wish to cancel the connection to this phone?"

I think it'll be same on Niki and other QC based HTC phones.

Thanks anyway! It seems to be working w/ CDMA phones ...

[Dagnelinos]

in this site http://www.mobilegpsonline.com/mgpsstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=417 is possible to buy an Active GPS Antenna. the dimension is very small...any possibility to fit into dual? :D
Anyone feel like soildering? :D

[Dagnelinos]

in the same site are present this items for our uses

http://www.mobilegpsonline.com/mgpsstore/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6_99
http://www.mobilegpsonline.com/mgpsstore/images/mgo/atn_gaacz_nm.jpg
http://www.mobilegpsonline.com/mgpsstore/images/mgo/GAAQX-J.gif

[GpsPasSion]

hum...while it would be nice get the internal GPS working, using a Bluetooth GPS is still a good option, better reception (larger antenna than on a phone) and better battery life !

[ducamie]

i think internal gps is much easier. i never take around a bluetooth gps reciver around with me but always have my phone. it would be so much handier to have the gps inbuilt.

for my own car however i agree, an external reciver is a good option.

[jvieira]

well. I don't see myself using a GPS outside my car. Just can't see any possible usage for it.

I'll get a Bluetooth external GPS and just leave it in my car ... so whenever I need it, it'll be there (would prefer have an internal one though)

[jennec]

hum...while it would be nice get the internal GPS working, using a Bluetooth GPS is still a good option, better reception (larger antenna than on a phone) and better battery life !

Exactly. I use the following. Very handy in all instances. Stays on my keychain and can be used whilst walking around or driving.

http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=147694

[AlexTM]

Heloo
I just get today my Dual toutch....

Inside under the cover I found the conector for external GPS antena....:)and I have a external antena from my P3300.

Surprise > the batery cover does not have a hole coresponding to the conector...i will have to drill a hole or use the Niki without the battery cover...
Look at the picture - the conector is the golden...

I will install tomtom and test it. Need help instaling the software for making the internal gps working....can someoane post a guide and a link where I can download the software pleasee.
I will get back to you with info tomorow.

Any Ideas? If yes post them .

[Joost39]

Come on - test it now......

[Midget_1990]

Heloo
I just get today my Dual toutch....

Inside m under the cover I found the conector for external GPS antena....:)and I have a external antena from my P3300.

Surprise > the batery cover does not have a hole coresponding to the conector...i will have to drill a hole or use the Niki without the battery cover...
Look at the picture - the conector is the golden...

I will install tomtom and test it. Need help instaling the software for making the internal gps working....can someoane post a guide and a link where I can download the software pleasee.
I will get back to you with info tomorow.

Any Ideas? If yes post them .

thats an external gsm antenna connector...

[pabcb]

hi, any results?

[AlexTM]

thats an external gsm antenna connector...

it looks exactly like the GPS antena connector from my P3300 and the GPS antena fits perfectly on the conector....
more ...why the cover hole is missing ??

[GpsPasSion]

have you tried the GPS tools posted a couple of weeks ago ? You can worrty later about "downloading" TomTom...

[Midget_1990]

it looks exactly like the GPS antena connector from my P3300 and the GPS antena fits perfectly on the conector....
more ...why the cover hole is missing ??

well if it works then i take it all back ;)

[pabcb]

sorry, but, the antenna might fit , why don´t you test it.
that doesnt mean hat it will work.

waiting for news...

[DaVince]

I seriously doubt this will work, but if it does.. the Niki will definitely kick Polaris' and Kaiser's arses.. LOL :D

[Dagnelinos]

excuse me, but is possible to see an internal photo of polaris or p3300-3600?

[morenonew]

i find this photo and it's the same that i have in my htc dual
this is very very interesting

[Dagnelinos]

is an htc? model name?

[morenonew]

h**p://www.navigadget.com/index.php/2006/10/17/htc-p3300-review/3/

[AlexTM]

have you tried the GPS tools posted a couple of weeks ago ? You can worrty later about "downloading" TomTom...

Please direct me to the GPS tool posted .I cant find them and at work I have a tight deadline, so i do not have much time. I will test the gps tonight , but i need to know exactly what software (maybe drivers) I have to add to the operating sistem and what gpas tolls I have to use to see how many satelites i get to fix.
Thanks in advance friends.

[morenonew]

goto here

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=348978&page=11

thread #107

[Tothotspur]

AlexTM, any update on the situation?

[pabcb]

sorry, but for what i have seen, the place where you say that as an gps antenna connection is the connection for an external GSM/DCS/UMTS antenna.
But if you try and this worls teel us something...

regards

[AlexTM]

Update on the situation :

I installed IGO- the navigation sistem , GPS Tuner and GPS Toos.

All tree softwares coud not detect the GPS inside the NIki.

With IGO the software said not detected, tried a litle time more on the COM7 port and at the end - no result. even with manual seting on COM 7 - no result.

If I understood corectly com7 is the bluetooth port, ... ????

Gps Tuner said after searching for 1,5 minutes - no GPS found. !

GPS tols - asked me- "Is it a Qualcomm chip ?" I said Yes, then nothing, no fix, no satelites---i have to say that i vas on my balcony and outside was raining a lot.

On SMD7 port nothing- on COM 7 port nothing.

My personal belief is that the Gps hardware is inside the NIKI but we have a software barier witch prevent users to use it. Even if we get a fix with more then 3 satelites using GPS tool if the navigation software (in may case IGO, i did not try TOm TOM) can not see the Gps we are back to zero.

Maybe in the future the upgrades to the Radio Rom will free the gps.

If someoane is using TOM TOm please let us know if the software can detect the GPS inside the Niki.

Thanks

[DaVince]

I think it's like a PC motherboard that supports SLI PCI-E x16 8800 GTX Ultra video cards but the only video card plugged in is an old PCI 2.0 voodoo card.

Of course you can see settings of SLI and PCI-E x16 on the BIOS, but without the proper video card hardware, it doesn't matter how you change the those settings.

In other words, the board supports it, that's why you can see settings for it. But the GPS hardware is not plugged in.

HTC is not stupid enough to put a GPS hardware on a touch dual and just leave it there doing nothing. Just give me one good reason why they would do that.

[neXus519]

HTC is not stupid enough to put a GPS hardware on a touch dual and just leave it there doing nothing. Just give me one good reason why they would do that.


Decrease the price of the Niki / Polaris by using same chips and sell the niki cheaper than the polaris.

To remember : qualcomm chip support both wifi & gps... if you buy it for 2 devices it's really cheaper (more you buy less you pay)

I'm following this topic since it began. GPS is avaible in hardware, some software pieces are missing and... there is no built in antenna (and I don't think there is a connector to an external antenna because it should be quite easy for htc to put the software on it and sell external antenna to be able to use the GPS BUT they want to sell Polaris)

The only way, I think, to get this GPS working a day, is to modify the hardware an solder a connector.

If the Niki was full GPS compliant (with external antenna compatibility) there were no reason for HTC to sell the polaris. (same plateform just GPS & Wifi working)

[ducamie]

I think it's like a PC motherboard that supports SLI PCI-E x16 8800 GTX Ultra video cards but the only video card plugged in is an old PCI 2.0 voodoo card.

Of course you can see settings of SLI and PCI-E x16 on the BIOS, but without the proper video card hardware, it doesn't matter how you change the those settings.

In other words, the board supports it, that's why you can see settings for it. But the GPS hardware is not plugged in.

HTC is not stupid enough to put a GPS hardware on a touch dual and just leave it there doing nothing. Just give me one good reason why they would do that.

also to release the niki before christmas without getting gps and wifi working.

[GpsPasSion]

Tried to buy a P3300 antenna yestarday but everyone was out of stock, can the poster with the antenna plug it in, try it with GPS Tools and report back to put this question to bed ?

[DaVince]

@Nexus and ducamie

Errrr.. are you saying that the Nike and Polaris (almost) have identical hardware components inside... but Nike's GPS/Wifi is just turned off via software/drivers?

It's like selling 2 identical laptops just with different chassis and just turned off some components on the other one just to have a reason to sell the other. That doesn't sound right.

I guess the perfect analogy would be that the Nike and Polaris have the same motherboard and processor, but the Nike doesn't have a Wifi card on the PCI slot (same analogy goes for GPS).

I'm sorry if I'm speaking in terms of Desktop PC's, I just don't know how to call them on PPC terms.

[DaVince]

Ok.. just to rephrase..

The Nike Qualcomm board supports onboard GPS, but there is no GPS plugged-in on it. Period.

[lostsoul]

ok, so there's no hope.
well to bad, but we all knew we bought a pda without gps ;)

[Midget_1990]

Ok.. just to rephrase..

The Nike Qualcomm board supports onboard GPS, but there is no GPS plugged-in on it. Period.

I'm sorry but you mis-understand its a qualcomm Chip not a GPS and the chip cannot have things 'plugged in'. I'm afraid that this means your analagy makes no sense :)

Just to clarify: There IS GPS and WIFI hardware inside the Nike, however if we can enable this via software or hardware hacks remains to be found.

[AlexTM]

Tried to buy a P3300 antenna yestarday but everyone was out of stock, can the poster with the antenna plug it in, try it with GPS Tools and report back to put this question to bed ?

I already try it with GPS tolls and no results....not on port COM 7 not on port SMD7...
More....if my navigation software- IGO cannot detect the Gps what good is it for?? for nothing ! Never tried Tom Tom...

Gps is inside but is cripled by software...maybe in the future it will be unlocked...but until then please recommend me a good bluetooth GPS.:mad:

[GpsPasSion]

There might some "driver" issue though, because I don't think any GPS app can connect on that "SMD7" port. In fact I tried the GPS tools on the Kaiser and they work, but not on the Cruise, it won't connect on SMD7 so there might be some minute differences anyway.

[DaVince]

I'm sorry but you mis-understand its a qualcomm Chip not a GPS and the chip cannot have things 'plugged in'. I'm afraid that this means your analagy makes no sense :)

Just to clarify: There IS GPS and WIFI hardware inside the Nike, however if we can enable this via software or hardware hacks remains to be found.

...well.. yeah.. Qualcomm was just a brand name for the processor/board.. or whatever. The analogy still makes sense.. you just have to.... errr.. nevermind...

If Midget says that there is GPS and Wifi on the Nike.. then I'm a believer. I hope you guys find a way to get it working.

[lordbye]

hi,

i've used a memorex (external) antenna (that i use on a nokia 6680) and i set it on com 0, on com 7 'have no signal..

[GpsPasSion]

COM0? You should use the GPS Tools with SMD7
I think the 6680 would have a GSM antenna not a GPS antenna, different frequency! We'll only get to the bottom of this when someone with a GPS antenna will plug it in, couldn't buy one myself but someone said he had one here, about a week ago now !

[petreme]

There is no built-in antenna because of space limitations. I have heard this from a person working for a company selling the DUAL.
Hi. You heard too about WiFi?
Thank You.

[petreme]

Update on the situation :

I installed IGO- the navigation sistem , GPS Tuner and GPS Toos.

All tree softwares coud not detect the GPS inside the NIki.

With IGO the software said not detected, tried a litle time more on the COM7 port and at the end - no result. even with manual seting on COM 7 - no result.

If I understood corectly com7 is the bluetooth port, ... ????

Gps Tuner said after searching for 1,5 minutes - no GPS found. !

GPS tols - asked me- "Is it a Qualcomm chip ?" I said Yes, then nothing, no fix, no satelites---i have to say that i vas on my balcony and outside was raining a lot.

On SMD7 port nothing- on COM 7 port nothing.

My personal belief is that the Gps hardware is inside the NIKI but we have a software barier witch prevent users to use it. Even if we get a fix with more then 3 satelites using GPS tool if the navigation software (in may case IGO, i did not try TOm TOM) can not see the Gps we are back to zero.

Maybe in the future the upgrades to the Radio Rom will free the gps.

If someoane is using TOM TOm please let us know if the software can detect the GPS inside the Niki.

Thanks

Hi.
I try TomTom, but GPS antene in device not found.
With externe GPS reciever /LEADTEC 9553/work exelent.

Bigger problems is absent WiFi.

[GpsPasSion]

Well that's another problem, I'm not sure a stanard GPS app can connect to SMD7, in fact I'm pretty sure it can't ;-)

So where is our friend with the P3300 antenna ?

[telepat1]

solution could come from cruiser radio?

[lordbye]

On nokia 6680 used an external antenna gps, the same that I used in those days with the tomtom htc on, and to make it work I had to set tomtom f(into setup when it asks the door) as com 0.
No detection of internal hw...always "no gps hardware found"

[NetrunnerAT]

i think ... to enable GPS or WIFI, we must mod the Radio Rom first!

[rumble291]

i think ... to enable GPS or WIFI, we must mod the Radio Rom first!

Yeah thats what i think as well. If it is to do with the radio rom then if some1 can dump there Japanese touch duals radio rom then install it on our touch duals see if that works maybe just a thought though. I dont have a clue about GPS. Why did HTC not include WiFi and GPS in the dual? It would make it even better and make the iphone look soo shit haha.

[dudu7559]

Hope never dies.......... guys hope well, our NIKEs are waiting.....

[OregonAird]

Hi Guys,

im a newb to this site directed here when I got my HTC Touch Dual, I have had the Orange E650 and E600 before this.

I have no experiance in writing or hacking software but am egarly awaiting outcome if this GPS senario. I travel alot for work and sometimes required to travel by train/tube and use google maps with its GPRS locator to try and find my way to places but find it so inaccurate, would be great to have a hand held GPS device always with me.

Keep up the good work, and rational debates.

as a business man I can think of many reasons why HTC would have this technology in there phones and not have it turned on, for example the same reason they have chose not to install the ATI Imageon technology, and QTV and Q3Dimension technologies in the phones.

Time, money, cost. the fact that they pulled the WiFi at the last min, could be because of a cut in budget to produce the units, they would have already had a sales price agreed with the likes of orange and would then have a pre-determined cost price they would have to meet, as we all know prices for materials is only going up due to US markets, and World Oil prices. Taking this into consideration Licencing could cost the same amount they needed to reduce.

Could also be to make a future version more appealing, keep the demand High for new products. Business world is ruthless and sometimes it pays not bring the latest technology out straight away, especially when your already the market leader.

My 2p worth, Keept up the good work guys.

[fisherman23]

Dear Friends,

Am so regret when i see my HTC touch dual without WIFI, the main purpose of my mobile is to get WIFI, Help to to crack this issue.

I tried installing New comm Manager, but its not working, do i missed any settings, Please let me know to get the problem rid of..

Expecting..

Fisherman...

[graey]

Dear Friends,

Am so regret when i see my HTC touch dual without WIFI, the main purpose of my mobile is to get WIFI, Help to to crack this issue.

I tried installing New comm Manager, but its not working, do i missed any settings, Please let me know to get the problem rid of..

Expecting..

Fisherman...
With all due respect, if you were out to get a WIFI-enabled mobile, why did you buy a Touch Dual? :confused:

[aimoon16]

I did some investigation and made GPS work to get the satellite Fix.But the Comm Port is very much differrent and now need to b checked further so that the other apps such as Tom Tom, etc can use the port.To my Surprise the Protocol is Qualcomm and Comm Port is SMD 7.Here are the pics attached.

ALso some pics of Wi Fi.
I hope someone here can make it work..

hey ~congratulations~ and now ~i want to know that your device is HTC Touch dual or something ?can u just post some pics of system information and tell us about ur hardware so that we can confirm ur device is not different with our's~

really THANKS for ur work~

[cpt.bert]

any updates.... these kind of threads seem to die after a while..

[NetrunnerAT]

Thread starter ... doesnt talk with me ... he dont provide the files ...

[cpt.bert]

I think its this kind of things that keep holding us back from figuring out how to enable wifi and gps... its a shame :(