Vogue Radio, GPS/WIFI ?

[Leon_Citron]

The Vogue has the same hardware inside than the TyTN2/Kaiser.
Can we imagine flash the Radio ROM from the Kaiser to the Vogue and get access to the wifi and the GPS options ?

or have an own cooked ROM to open the access to this ?

Any idea on this ?

[NetrunnerAT]

[edit]

uhm ... you have right! chipset have the ability ... i have get yestersday my new working handy! i will try some cross mixes with the kaiser rom.

[chrysaor]

I am also very interested by the outcome of this tweak.

Cheers from Brussels! :D

[nemanracing]

The TyTN II/Kaiser is GSM, the HTC Vogue is the CMDA Touch... So the radio will not probably work...

[Lowen SoDium]

The Vogue has the same hardware inside than the TyTN2/Kaiser.
Can we imagine flash the Radio ROM from the Kaiser to the Vogue and get access to the wifi and the GPS options ?

or have an own cooked ROM to open the access to this ?

Any idea on this ?

The Vogue does NOT have the same hardware as the Kaiser. If you flash the Kaiser rom on your Vogue, you are likely to brick it.

The vogue has a Qualcomm MSM7500 chipset, where as the Kaiser has Qualcomm MSM7200 chipset. Very similar, but not the same.

Either way, I am very confident that the Vogue has GPS capiblities that may or may not be unlocked in a future rom update (possibly at the same time as a EV-DO Rev A. update comes out, but that is hearsay). I say this because the MSM7500 chipset has a GPSone unit built in. It is capable of running as an aGPS chip or a standalone GPS, if the rom allows it to, like the Kaiser's does. This chip is included due to FCC regulations for E911 service.

WiFi is another question. The MSM7500 chip does not have a wifi radio built in, but it does support one on the SDIO bus. I can't see why they would go through the trouble of adding a WiFi radio, only disable it. I suppose it is possible, but until someone gets some good pictures of the guts of the Vogue or comes out with a ROM or hack that enables WiFi, I am not inclined to believe that there is a WiFi radio on the unit.

[ambush276]

spectec makes a wifi card, only prob is, it probably has a terrible range!

[twospirits]

Regardless if it has terrible range or not, it would be nice if the company will get off its butt and sell that card. They have been promising about it for months and still nothing.

TS

[Leon_Citron]

Sorry all guys, I'm not tallking about the Vogue but about the "Touc Dual"....
Will repost in the good category...

[lush]

Isn't it stated in the HTC website (http://www.asia.htc.com/Asia/SEA/products/pda_Touch_Dual/pda_Touch_Dual.html) that the chipset is Qualcomm® MSM 7200, 400MHz ???

[chrysaor]

waiting for the HTC Nike forum then...

but I am still interested whether the vogue may be enabled with GPS/Wifi as well

[Lowen SoDium]

Isn't it stated in the HTC website (http://www.asia.htc.com/Asia/SEA/products/pda_Touch_Dual/pda_Touch_Dual.html) that the chipset is Qualcomm® MSM 7200, 400MHz ???

The Touch Dual is a MSM7200 chip set. But it is a GSM phone and has more in common with the Kaiser than it does with the Vogue

[ambush276]

we will have to wait n see

[dharvey4651]

Well fellows I have good news and bad news. Good news is I work for a corporate RadioShack that sells the Touch(Vogue) and am able to play with brand new, out of the box Touch's. I can find out for sure if the newer versions(which I know for a fact are EV-DO Rev A capable), are also equipped with WIFI. The bad news is that my store has been sold of them since we got them in and they have been selling out before we get any in stock leaving us with a backorder. As soon as the hype slows down and I get a chance to actually get my hands on one(I plan on buying one soon and getting rid of my Mogul very soon) and play with it I will get online and let you guys know.

When I buy my Touch, it will already be the new EV-DO Rev A model and if it is capable of WIFI, I will release a dump of the ROM for you guys to disect but until then thats the best I can do.

UPDATES will follow.

[mbote]

Well fellows I have good news and bad news. Good news is I work for a corporate RadioShack that sells the Touch(Vogue) and am able to play with brand new, out of the box Touch's. I can find out for sure if the newer versions(which I know for a fact are EV-DO Rev A capable), are also equipped with WIFI. The bad news is that my store has been sold of them since we got them in and they have been selling out before we get any in stock leaving us with a backorder. As soon as the hype slows down and I get a chance to actually get my hands on one(I plan on buying one soon and getting rid of my Mogul very soon) and play with it I will get online and let you guys know.

When I buy my Touch, it will already be the new EV-DO Rev A model and if it is capable of WIFI, I will release a dump of the ROM for you guys to disect but until then thats the best I can do.

UPDATES will follow.


That sounds good ...this topic is just getting better and better everyday

- dharvey, we're holding our breath here for some updates on your side..

[mbote]

Hey guys and gals,

I posted some finding worth your opinion at a different post..... I'm just avoiding a cross-post... here's the link

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1736538&postcount=94

[dharvey4651]

That sounds good ...this topic is just getting better and better everyday

- dharvey, we're holding our breath here for some updates on your side..

It's my pleasure. Think of it as my way of giving back to the community. It might be a little while though because like I said, we're constantly sold out. As soon as I can get some solid information for you guys and as soon as I buy my own, I will post a link to a ROM dump as a base for building custom ROMs but again, this might take a little time so please be patient with me.:cool:

[storino03]

Good luck waiting. The Rev A/A-GPS update for SPRINT Touch won't be available until Q1/Q2 2008 and won't just be available for new devices sold through Sprint. It'll be posted on HTC's support website, thus a rom dump or whatever you're talking about isn't required--people can get the rom update themselves.

--James

[mbote]

Isn't Q1/Q2 2008 soon coming ......If I'm not mistaken we're currently in Q4 2007..... unless their FY doesn't match CY...... please confirm!

[dharvey4651]

Good luck waiting. The Rev A/A-GPS update for SPRINT Touch won't be available until Q1/Q2 2008 and won't just be available for new devices sold through Sprint. It'll be posted on HTC's support website, thus a rom dump or whatever you're talking about isn't required--people can get the rom update themselves.

--James

Yes they can but if I can get the dump out before that, it'll help in the mean time. And as for the EV-DO Rev A capabilities, they ARE available on the new Moguls and Touchs available through Sprint. I'm not talking about one that might have been purchased through Sprint a few months ago, I am talking about the ones we have IN OUR STORE. Why do you think I would lie about this? Did you not read my other post? Or even my signature? I am a an employee at a Corporate RadioShack and am also a Representative of Sprint. As for information I cannot obtain in-store, I can call MY Sprint Rep, Julie, and get whatever information I need. The only reason I haven't yet is because she is always busy and rarely answers her phone.

Stay positive, I'm gonna do what I can whether you care or not. This is for the others that actually DO care.

[dharvey4651]

Alright. Here is my first update as I promised. We finally got a Touch in at our store and I was able to sit down and play with it as I was selling it to a customer and I can CONFIRM that IT DOES have EV-DO Rev A capabilities but WIFI is NOT present.

After noticing this, I called my Sprint Rep Julie and asked her why, if she knew, would the Touch be left without WIFI and she said it had something to do with sales but she didn't have a lot of information. After this I contacted a close friend of mine who is an executive at the Sprint Kansas City Division Office(he will be left un-named) and asked him the same question: Will there be a ROM update for the Touch that would enable WIFI and if not, why would the Touch be left without WIFI? I told him that I knew that the chipset has WIFI capabilities but there is no USABLE WIFI on the device whatsoever. He then told me that during the later development stages of the Touch, it was decided that the internal GPS/WIFI antenna would be removed.

Having confirmed that there was in fact no internal GPS/WIFI internal antenna for the Touch and that WIFI would never be supported on the Touch, I then asked him WHY Sprint would do this to the most sophisticated Windows Mobile Touch Screen Phone ever made(aside from Apple's monstrosity). His response was simple: "We had the GPS/WIFI antenna removed to get customers to pay the extra money for the EV-DO Rev A wireless internet. Without WIFI, if customers wanted to use the internet features on their phone, they would be forced to pay the extra money for the data package or face an extremely high phone bill. Win Win situation for us."

I was shocked to hear this. Every other Windows Mobile based touch screen phone made by HTC has had WIFI and or GPS capabilities. It's rather disappointing to hear this coming from a Sprint Executive but at the same time, can you honestly blame the nations largest wireless cell phone provider with the worst customer service for doing something like this? It's almost expected in my opinion.

Update complete. Sorry for the bad news folks.

[mbote]

altho, unfortunate for the end-users, but it sounds like a good business decision on their side;

[TICALyen]

In my opinion it was a bad decision as most people I know won't buy a Pocket PC with no WiFi. An as WiFi gets bigger an more known by the everyday person, as it will. Sales will plumit "I bet you that you will see WiFi in newer models of the Touch..... Guess they jus wanted to get the People who buy in Hype stuck in there lil scam for a few years. Better to get a few suckers then none eh?

[TICALyen]

IF only missing the Antena, Can a Antena be added manually? I know with WiFi adaptors I have added higher gain antenas in the past. Jus a lil sodering. Im New with PocketPC's

[dharvey4651]

IF only missing the Antena, Can a Antena be added manually? I know with WiFi adaptors I have added higher gain antenas in the past. Jus a lil sodering. Im New with PocketPC's

I would say that it may be possible but don't get your hopes up. If someone could find an easy way to add a GPS/WIFI antenna that would fit in the Touch and be functional that would be cool but at the same time YOU WILL be voiding your warranty on your very expensive device and you also have to figure out a way to add the new WIFI and GPS controls into the ROM and have that be functional.

Scenario:: You purchase a Touch from Sprint and love it but then realize it has no WIFI. You remember that you had stumbled upon this forum a ways back. You come here and find that there is a ghetto custom internal GPS/WIFI antenna that you can make and install yourself. You decide that it's worth it so you break open your Touch to install this antenna you just made and now you have a broken clip or a stripped screw. You want it fixed but HTC won't touch it seeing as how your warrenty is void else you pay a nice amount of money to have it fixed.

Scenario:: You purchase a Touch from Sprint and come here to find out how to get your WIFI back. There's a method involved regarding disassembly of the phone so you feel comfortable enough and you do it. Now the phone is back together again and working fine. All of a sudden it takes a shit on you and dies. What do you do now? You pay out the ass to have it fixed else now you have a paperweight thanks to the lack of warranty.

I think that we all will just have to wait and see what happens in the newer models as time goes by.

Man I hate to be the bringer of bad news... At least we know now right?

[Dim-Ize]

Alright. Here is my first update as I promised. We finally got a Touch in at our store and I was able to sit down and play with it as I was selling it to a customer and I can CONFIRM that IT DOES have EV-DO Rev A capabilities but WIFI is NOT present.

After noticing this, I called my Sprint Rep Julie and asked her why, if she knew, would the Touch be left without WIFI and she said it had something to do with sales but she didn't have a lot of information. After this I contacted a close friend of mine who is an executive at the Sprint Kansas City Division Office(he will be left un-named) and asked him the same question: Will there be a ROM update for the Touch that would enable WIFI and if not, why would the Touch be left without WIFI? I told him that I knew that the chipset has WIFI capabilities but there is no USABLE WIFI on the device whatsoever. He then told me that during the later development stages of the Touch, it was decided that the internal GPS/WIFI antenna would be removed.

Having confirmed that there was in fact no internal GPS/WIFI internal antenna for the Touch and that WIFI would never be supported on the Touch, I then asked him WHY Sprint would do this to the most sophisticated Windows Mobile Touch Screen Phone ever made(aside from Apple's monstrosity). His response was simple: "We had the GPS/WIFI antenna removed to get customers to pay the extra money for the EV-DO Rev A wireless internet. Without WIFI, if customers wanted to use the internet features on their phone, they would be forced to pay the extra money for the data package or face an extremely high phone bill. Win Win situation for us."

I was shocked to hear this. Every other Windows Mobile based touch screen phone made by HTC has had WIFI and or GPS capabilities. It's rather disappointing to hear this coming from a Sprint Executive but at the same time, can you honestly blame the nations largest wireless cell phone provider with the worst customer service for doing something like this? It's almost expected in my opinion.

Update complete. Sorry for the bad news folks.

DH - no offense - but, this doesn't really give us anything new. Maybe I'm missing something - but, you said you played with one when you were selling it - then you made a few calls - and now your conclusion - this has RevA and no WIFI.

That is the information I had before I purchased the device at launch.

I think the question was - is the MOBO in the device, which is present in other handhelds - available to be hacked / modded for use with satellite GPS and WIFI.

The only way to answer the question about hardware is to crack one open, take pictures, and post results.

Have you done this and I somehow missed that in your post?

[dharvey4651]

DH - no offense - but, this doesn't really give us anything new. Maybe I'm missing something - but, you said you played with one when you were selling it - then you made a few calls - and now your conclusion - this has RevA and no WIFI.

That is the information I had before I purchased the device at launch.

I think the question was - is the MOBO in the device, which is present in other handhelds - available to be hacked / modded for use with satellite GPS and WIFI.

The only way to answer the question about hardware is to crack one open, take pictures, and post results.

Have you done this and I somehow missed that in your post?

Let me tell you... I'm really going to go ahead and crack open a customers 250$ phone just to take pictures. And I only confirmed something that was suspected for a while now. A hardware question is only a question until its answered and I had an executive from the Kansas City Sprint Division Office who just happens to be my neighbor give me the truth and he gave me one sad straight answer. It wasn't what I had hoped to hear but now we know. Now that WE KNOW FOR SURE that the antenna is not there, it's up to someone to figure out another way.

And while we're on the subject... If you want someone to crack open their Touch so badly then go buy the damn tools and do it yourself. You have 11 posts which only leads me to think that you haven't been here for all that long. You can't just sit back here and expect everyone else to do everything for you. If you have an idea or want to try something then do it and post your results. Don't complain because someone else who did what he could with what he had available to him didn't do what you think needs to be done. Simply put, DO IT YOURSELF if thats what you feel needs to be done.

Have a nice day.

Dan.

[anywhereanytime]

He then told me that during the later development stages of the Touch, it was decided that the internal GPS/WIFI antenna would be removed.

So Dan, are you saying that the Sprint Touch WILL NOT get a GPS upgrade along with Rev A in Q1 '08 ? What about Rev A ??

[nianmo]

you are just a sales rep who sales sprint phone at radioshack. I think you dream a lot. if they already have a rom upgrade on the one you sold in your store then how come sprint corporate store haven't got that. my business is next to radioshack sprint store in the mall. one of the sprint rep from corporate sprint comes there once in a while. I have touch (& mogul) and she has mogul. I told her about the rev A not being out yet, she said her phone has rev A and she can see the difference on the speed, wow! that makes me laugh! 90% sprint pda user know there is rev A out there but only for broadband cards. our phones are rev A capable but not without new upgraded rom. when you talk to those radioshack rep or sprint corporate employee, every person will give there different opinion. that means no one knows about but to wait until HTC posts new upgrade like it did for mogul without rev A.

think about it ;)

[dharvey4651]

So Dan, are you saying that the Sprint Touch WILL NOT get a GPS upgrade along with Rev A in Q1 '08 ? What about Rev A ??

That's what it sounds like from what I have been told. Rev A is already on the new models being sold in stores now. WIFI and GPS however is not going to be possible according to my friend who works in the corporate Sprint office here in Kansas City.

*That is not saying that in later models of the Touch that the WIFI/GPS antenna will not be reinstalled. I merely posted here exactly what I was told from my friend who works hand in hand with the development team in the Kansas City office. He did not tell me anything about later models that will be released and I didn't ask.*

[dharvey4651]

you are just a sales rep who sales sprint phone at radioshack. I think you dream a lot. if they already have a rom upgrade on the one you sold in your store then how come sprint corporate store haven't got that. my business is next to radioshack sprint store in the mall. one of the sprint rep from corporate sprint comes there once in a while. I have touch (& mogul) and she has mogul. I told her about the rev A not being out yet, she said her phone has rev A and she can see the difference on the speed, wow! that makes me laugh! 90% sprint pda user know there is rev A out there but only for broadband cards. our phones are rev A capable but not without new upgraded rom. when you talk to those radioshack rep or sprint corporate employee, every person will give there different opinion. that means no one knows about but to wait until HTC posts new upgrade like it did for mogul without rev A.

think about it ;)

Man who are you anyway? One post and all of a sudden you know everything there is to know about the Touch AND Mogul? What did you just join this forum a year ago to download others work and never contribute or even post up until now? Yes I am a sales rep for Sprint but I do have friends in much higher places and I merely posted exactly what I was told and YES, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, the new Touch's that are in stores now are using Rev A. I was also at a corporate Sprint store just yesterday and was using one of their working Demo Touch's and it was already loaded with the upgrade for Rev A as well so I don't know where you live but here in Kansas City, we already have the Touch's with Rev A WORKING. The 'upgrade' you speak of is already preloaded on the new Touch's being sold in stores but only on the new Touch's at the moment. The upgrade will be released to the public in Q1 08 like everyone was informed already.

So please... If you are going to post "know-it-all" comments do it somewhere else where people actually want to read it.

Have a nice day.

[nianmo]

I am talking about sprint rep telling me that she has rev A on her mogul. what do you think about that? there is a built in antenna for gps, for sure. I just got the touch not even a week ago from sprint corporate store. and it's not rev A. I see no difference on speed compair to my mogul. I don't know if they just got the rev A now. when I had ppc 6700, I heard the same thing on that for GPS. and the same thing for mogul and touch. sprint is making money from there online (internet) and navigation service. why would they have to worry about? I have a good friend of mine working for sprint in kansas for almost 8 years. he programs all the cell phones applications and rom the way sprint wants it (different that the cellphone manufacturer). I asked him about revA and gps too. but he just said its coming, that's it.
let me tell you guys one thing. the rom on all touch out in the market and the rom on the new touch in sprint store ( as you guys say) is same. go chek it out. there is no way you can enable revA without upgrading the rom. then tell me about it.

thanks guys
:)

[anywhereanytime]

That's what it sounds like from what I have been told. Rev A is already on the new models being sold in stores now. WIFI and GPS however is not going to be possible according to my friend who works in the corporate Sprint office here in Kansas City.

*That is not saying that in later models of the Touch that the WIFI/GPS antenna will not be reinstalled. I merely posted here exactly what I was told from my friend who works hand in hand with the development team in the Kansas City office. He did not tell me anything about later models that will be released and I didn't ask.*

WOW, there are going to be a LOT of very unhappy Sprint Touch users - including us !! We have read repeatedly since August that BOTH the Touch and Mogul would get BOTH Rev A AND GPS in Q1'08.

I tried to find an article from around Thanksgiving from some high level Sprint spokesperson CONFIRMING Rev A and GPS for Q1'08 ... AFTER we bought the Touch based on the rumor mill !!

What a colossal screwup once again by Sprint - with all of the iPhone competition in the market, no wonder Sprint is in such trouble !!

[Lowen SoDium]

I for one would like to hear from someone who has one of these Sprint Touches that already has REV A.

Also, if there are Touches out there with REV A, I would like to know why there are no dumps of that rom?

[ambush276]

WOW, there are going to be a LOT of very unhappy Sprint Touch users - including us !! We have read repeatedly since August that BOTH the Touch and Mogul would get BOTH Rev A AND GPS in Q1'08.

I tried to find an article from around Thanksgiving from some high level Sprint spokesperson CONFIRMING Rev A and GPS for Q1'08 ... AFTER we bought the Touch based on the rumor mill !!

What a colossal screwup once again by Sprint - with all of the iPhone competition in the market, no wonder Sprint is in such trouble !!

that is pure BS...

as you will look in my threads on the forum i have a friend high up at the repair center where he works. I bought a sprint touch and he told me all the info about it. It first off DOES PROMISE YOU have REV. A. Its their and the ROM update WILL BE IN Q1 2008. ALL OF YOU DONT WORRY ABOUT THAT!

the GPS is also there, and it WILL BE UNLOCKED IN SAME ROM UPDATE, PROMISE!
The only thing though... about the GPS is the Sprint Rom might lock the GPS to only sprint NAV app... that is definatly possible, but if you get someone smart to do a reg edit, or modify the rom, then yu will be fine..

there is no employee w/ the REV. A as well.. The rep you talked to was probably mis informed. They probably ment it is REV. A upgradeable, but there are no handsets in the US that have rev. a EVDO on them. Only data cards... Yes Mogul and touch have same processor, same REV. A, and same GPS chip. IT IS there, and i dont know why you believe the BS some people post.

[Dim-Ize]

Let me tell you... I'm really going to go ahead and crack open a customers 250$ phone just to take pictures. And I only confirmed something that was suspected for a while now. A hardware question is only a question until its answered and I had an executive from the Kansas City Sprint Division Office who just happens to be my neighbor give me the truth and he gave me one sad straight answer. It wasn't what I had hoped to hear but now we know. Now that WE KNOW FOR SURE that the antenna is not there, it's up to someone to figure out another way.

And while we're on the subject... If you want someone to crack open their Touch so badly then go buy the damn tools and do it yourself. You have 11 posts which only leads me to think that you haven't been here for all that long. You can't just sit back here and expect everyone else to do everything for you. If you have an idea or want to try something then do it and post your results. Don't complain because someone else who did what he could with what he had available to him didn't do what you think needs to be done. Simply put, DO IT YOURSELF if thats what you feel needs to be done.

Have a nice day.

Dan.

Dan - I think you took my post entirely wrong.

I'm simply saying - that I didn't find anything new in the post that you had made. We know that RevA is coming. We know GPS is coming. But, some users had commented that the chipset in the Touch, which is used in other current devices has the capability of satellite navigation (not tower only) and a WIFI slot. But, those had been disabled by Sprint. HTC has them in there - but - we can't get to them for reasons from the carrier. You adderssed the fact that the carrier doesn't want us to use them for financial reasons. But, several individuals had explained that the hardware was in fact present. In your post - I took it to read that you were implying that they weren't there at all.

For example: http://www.wmexperts.com/articles/rumors/sprint_to_finally_switch_on_gp.html
http://discussion.wmexperts.com/showthread.php?t=156622
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=12176&highlight=wifi
http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=148473&highlight=wifi
http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=147999&highlight=wifi
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=345167 see post #78.

So, I didn't mean that your comments weren't appreciated. They are. I just didn't find anything new in them from the other information currently available.

[dharvey4651]

It's cool. I only posted what I was told by an executive who works with the development team, whether accurate or not. I personally do not know for sure and am not arguing with anyone, I am just defensive by nature.

[violent23]

It's cool. I only posted what I was told by an executive who works with the development team, whether accurate or not. I personally do not know for sure and am not arguing with anyone, I am just defensive by nature.

What do you mean, "whether accurate or not" how does that help anyone...? So I heard from this kid that knows this guy that is dating this chick that it has wifi. Jesus get informed. We have all known since launch no wifi and Q1 08 gps and revA. Where have you been? Read up a little on the subject. Go to other sites than just this one. Get you head out your @ss.

[basser8616]

dh how do you check the speed on those rev A phones. Dslreports or something? Could you get us some numbers? Thanks.

[twospirits]

What do you mean, "whether accurate or not" how does that help anyone...? So I heard from this kid that knows this guy that is dating this chick that it has wifi. Jesus get informed. We have all known since launch no wifi and Q1 08 gps and revA. Where have you been? Read up a little on the subject. Go to other sites than just this one. Get you head out your @ss.Thats rather rude.

[dharvey4651]

Thats rather rude.

Yes I agree. People like him should not be allowed here.... It's pathetically childish at best when someone has to act like that on a forum. It honestly makes me feel kinda bad for him that he has to pretend to be some hot shot on a forum where noone cares...

Oh well.....

[anywhereanytime]

Yes I agree. People like him should not be allowed here.... It's pathetically childish at best when someone has to act like that on a forum. It honestly makes me feel kinda bad for him that he has to pretend to be some hot shot on a forum where noone cares...

Oh well.....

Dan, don't try to squirm out of this mess of MIS-information you were laying on all of us - you said "sorry guys", but my executive blah, blah, blah "connection" KNOWS the truth and you guys are SOL ... move on !!

Thanks to guys like Ambush276, there ALWAYS is more G2 then what "you think you personally have access to". You are obviously well connected into Sprint ... just don't get too cocky is all ... stay cool and be open for NEW info !!

That's why this is a forum for rumors and continuously pushing for more details.

THANKS Ambush276 for the time you took to assemble those great links to the truth ... I remembered the Sprint announcement but didn't have time to find it.

[dharvey4651]

Dan, don't try to squirm out of this mess of MIS-information you were laying on all of us - you said "sorry guys", but my executive blah, blah, blah "connection" KNOWS the truth and you guys are SOL ... move on !!

Thanks to guys like Ambush276, there ALWAYS is more G2 then what "you think you personally have access to". You are obviously well connected into Sprint ... just don't get too cocky is all ... stay cool and be open for NEW info !!

That's why this is a forum for rumors and continuously pushing for more details.

THANKS Ambush276 for the time you took to assemble those great links to the truth ... I remembered the Sprint announcement but didn't have time to find it.

I'm not trying to squirm out of anything. Like I said I only posted what I had been told. I don't doubt what he told me, but then again, I'm not on the development team with Sprint either so what information I have is pure hear say. I am open to new ideas and really hope that someone can enable WIFI on the Touch as much as I doubt it. I plan on getting my touch within the next week or so so I will be right up there here with you guys and I will dump my rom so someone here can figure out how to build custom ROMs and what not but that's not for another week or so.

While I am on the subject, does anyone here know how to dump the Touch's ROM? I will need to know so that I can take care of that once I get my Touch.

[anywhereanytime]

Alright. Here is my first update as I promised. We finally got a Touch in at our store and I was able to sit down and play with it as I was selling it to a customer and I can CONFIRM that IT DOES have EV-DO Rev A capabilities but WIFI is NOT present.

After noticing this, I called my Sprint Rep Julie and asked her why, if she knew, would the Touch be left without WIFI and she said it had something to do with sales but she didn't have a lot of information. After this I contacted a close friend of mine who is an executive at the Sprint Kansas City Division Office(he will be left un-named) and asked him the same question: Will there be a ROM update for the Touch that would enable WIFI and if not, why would the Touch be left without WIFI? I told him that I knew that the chipset has WIFI capabilities but there is no USABLE WIFI on the device whatsoever. He then told me that during the later development stages of the Touch, it was decided that the internal GPS/WIFI antenna would be removed.

Having confirmed that there was in fact no internal GPS/WIFI internal antenna for the Touch and that WIFI would never be supported on the Touch, I then asked him WHY Sprint would do this to the most sophisticated Windows Mobile Touch Screen Phone ever made(aside from Apple's monstrosity). His response was simple: "We had the GPS/WIFI antenna removed to get customers to pay the extra money for the EV-DO Rev A wireless internet. Without WIFI, if customers wanted to use the internet features on their phone, they would be forced to pay the extra money for the data package or face an extremely high phone bill. Win Win situation for us."

I was shocked to hear this. Every other Windows Mobile based touch screen phone made by HTC has had WIFI and or GPS capabilities. It's rather disappointing to hear this coming from a Sprint Executive but at the same time, can you honestly blame the nations largest wireless cell phone provider with the worst customer service for doing something like this? It's almost expected in my opinion.

Update complete. Sorry for the bad news folks.


Dan .. the MAN, just admit that you were duped by some "executive" at Sprint corporate to "feed us some BS Kool aAid to drink" !

It's Xmas an at least your heart is in the right place that you are actually getting a Touch yourself and are now in bed with all of us other believers.

It's good that you that you got suckered, but be very careful to "guarantee" the info you receive before adding to the forum ... that's all.

And don't ever think that because you have over 700 posts that you are BETTER than us - WHEN you don't even own a Touch ... WE ALREADY OWN a Touch and use it everyday ... and are JUST trying to make it our user experience better !!

It's just part of the BS game ... so DON'T drink the Sprint "corporate" Kool Aid, and get us that ROM dump and updates on the exact status of the ROM update !!

[zytor]

Kind Of A Really Stupid Question, How can you tell the version of the EVDO you have? I do not see it in Device info. :confused: :confused:

[chrysaor]

This post is real trash. cannot get any info between all those dudes quarelling. Keep up the good work.

[anywhereanytime]

This post is real trash. cannot get any info between all those dudes quarelling. Keep up the good work.

You want the facts ... just go to post #35 for the latest info. Those of us that actually own Sprint Touch want to know about GPS as well as "the possibility" that WiFi could be somehow enabled with a hack. This is a Vogue/Sprint Touch thread - Sprint NEVER said that the Touch would have WiFi but the rumor is that the hardware may be there just like the Touch in Europe - just disabled by Sprint ??

The flip side is that in the US, EVDO RevA has speeds that might make WiFi "less" of a critical need - we already have had Rev A on our data cards for some time. The latest target is Q1'08 for a ROM update that will enable Rev A and GPS.

That's where we are - anyone else ?

[Dim-Ize]

I plan on getting my touch within the next week or so so I will be right up there here with you guys and I will dump my rom so someone here can figure out how to build custom ROMs and what not but that's not for another week or so.

While I am on the subject, does anyone here know how to dump the Touch's ROM? I will need to know so that I can take care of that once I get my Touch.

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=12255

[dharvey4651]

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=12255

That didn't really tell me much about how to dump the ROM but ok.

[dan-htc-touch]

hey all, I voided my waranty, and cracked open my phone, but I can't confirm anything, there is no text anywhere on the device inside that might explain what each component is, I can confirm however that there are 3 seperate antenae atatched to the board, I can't think of 3 things that need these antenae unless there is wifi, (phone network, bluetooth, wi-fi) am I missing anything?

[Lowen SoDium]

hey all, I voided my waranty, and cracked open my phone, but I can't confirm anything, there is no text anywhere on the device inside that might explain what each component is, I can confirm however that there are 3 seperate antenae atatched to the board, I can't think of 3 things that need these antenae unless there is wifi, (phone network, bluetooth, wi-fi) am I missing anything?

Yeah, pictures.

[Dim-Ize]

That didn't really tell me much about how to dump the ROM but ok.

Did you read the whole post and try the program ;)

You can check post #46+. But, the tools, contacts, and resources are in the thread.

[dan-htc-touch]

yeah, i know pictures would help, maybee this weekend I will take the digital camera to work with me an try to snap some shots. I can't get it fully apart though, as I do not have the proper tools, I used makeshift junk I made myself to get it apart last time

[anywhereanytime]

hey all, I voided my waranty, and cracked open my phone, but I can't confirm anything, there is no text anywhere on the device inside that might explain what each component is, I can confirm however that there are 3 seperate antenae atatched to the board, I can't think of 3 things that need these antenae unless there is wifi, (phone network, bluetooth, wi-fi) am I missing anything?

OK, now that we have visual confirmation of 3 antennas, can someone consult a service repair manual to identify them. Is Sprint the only one authorized to repair the Sprint Touch ??

What about the Elf/Touch in Europe - how many antennas, does anyone know ??

[storino03]

Could be:

-Antennae for phone reception
-Antennae for bluetooth
-Antennae for GPS

--James

[dan-htc-touch]

yeah, not helpful, from what I gathered over the forums is that if there were wifi it would share an antena with bluetooth, anyone know if this is acurate?

[zytor]

I just talked to a Sprint Cust Care Rep, was having small tech problem with phone, So i asked him about the Wifi and GPS, he said "We are told to tell customers that the hardware is not there, and cannot be enabled" so I asked.... "did HTC make a special phone without the hardware" He said, "I cannot say, we are instructed to say yes, but i find it hard to beleive it is removed.. ha ha, The 7500 chip has the hardware"

So take this info for what it is worth.... :D :cool:

[Lowen SoDium]

I just talked to a Sprint Cust Care Rep, was having small tech problem with phone, So i asked him about the Wifi and GPS, he said "We are told to tell customers that the hardware is not there, and cannot be enabled" so I asked.... "did HTC make a special phone without the hardware" He said, "I cannot say, we are instructed to say yes, but i find it hard to beleive it is removed.. ha ha, The 7500 chip has the hardware"

So take this info for what it is worth.... :D :cool:

I have said it before and I will say it again, the 7500 chip set does have GPS built in, it does not have WiFi built in according to Qualcomm's website. It supports a Wifi chip on the SDIO bus, but it is not part of the actually chip set. This means that a wifi controller would have to be purposely added in the system for it to have it. Then, HTC and/or Sprint would have to have it disabled.

The bluetooth radio is the same way on this phone. It is not actually part of the phone's chipset, it is an external chip connected via a serial interface. The difference is, that we already know that bluetooth is there.

This is exactly why I have been asking for pictures of the inside of the phone for 2 months now. So I and others can take a look at what is there.

I am not saying that I KNOW that WiFi is not in the phone, but I am saying I highly doubt it. I just can't see any real reason why they would spend the money for an add in chip, only to disable it.

You can read more about the 7500 chipset here: http://www.cdmatech.com/products/msm7500_chipset_solution.jsp

[dan-htc-touch]

I have heard of phones having bluetooth and wifi on the same chip, if that were the case with this phone, the would have had to change hardware, and therefore it is possible that it is there, but I have no Idea what the truth is at this point

[Rudegar]

depend on the cpu of the phone as various are used TI, samsung, intel....

http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12000&contentId=4679
this is the block diagram it does show wifi but if htc dident connect those outlegs to an antenna it's a no go

[ambush276]

its there, seen it, i know we need pics, look at my posts in the ELF forum under the wireless post.

[basser8616]

dh how do you check the speed on those rev A phones. Dslreports or something? Could you get us some numbers? Thanks.

How about it, would you be able to run a test or two, it shouldn't take more a min or two.

[Lowen SoDium]

its there, seen it, i know we need pics, look at my posts in the ELF forum under the wireless post.

Why are you posting about the Vogue in the Elf forum?

edit: After reading your post, I have no reason to believe anything you said as you offered no pictures, no screen shots, no explaination of how it was done past "my friend did it", heck... you didn't even do anything to test what your public Internet IP address was to verify what connection was being used (assuming that there is more than just the EV-DO connection). There are some contradictions in your story too. For example, when a phone is in Airplane mode, it would shut off the wifi radio too. If your argument is that because the wifi was hacked, airplane mode doesn't do that, then why should I believe that it still shut of the CDMA radio? Your friend is supposed to work at a service center, but I don't get the feeling that he is very techincal if he really believes that there is no way to prove that a device is using a WiFi connection. Any half way knowable network technician would tell you that you can sure prove it by looking at the access point and listing the clients by mac address, and if they know what they are doing, they can actually look at the network usage on the wireless interface of the access point.

Sorry, your story just isn't believable as it was told with out more proof.

Look, I would like for the Vogue to have WiFi too, but I can't see any real reason to believe that it does.

[dan-htc-touch]

from what I can tell poking around the registry, it seems that all the software is in place for a wifi conection, the os supports pcmcia wifi cards, although there is no slot, if there were in fact wifi on the board, I would be %90 sure it's a hardware disable, and not software the other %10 percent doubt comes from the lack of support in the commanager. Now the question is, why would htc even install the hardware just to disable it? unless it is in fact a combo w/ bluetooth or something else, anyone know enough about windows mobile to query the hardware i/o see if something is there but lacking drivers, or just to know how everything conects to the system? I know nothing about windows mobile, one thing I did try was to take all the wrlsmanager packages including dll packages from an elf rom and add them to the sprint rom on hofo, and the result was multiple entries of the same file errors when I went to build the os. so like I said, wifi support is there, it seems that hardware however is not. if I had proper tools i would take my phone all the way apart, but there are a couple screws I can't do anything with right now, and without undoing those screws I can't actually get a look at the wiring on the board. the phone is really easy to take apart, and everything has plugs internally so you don't have to worry about severing wires to get the thing apart, anyone care to try?

[Rudegar]

there is the microSD slot

[bobaka]

$15/month for evdo which works fine everywhere including skype. who cares if it has wifi

[elements]

anyone else get a text message from sprint today?

9010
Sprint Navigation is included in your current Sprint plan. Visit your local Sprint store to upgrade to a GPS Navigation enabled phone.

[anywhereanytime]

anyone else get a text message from sprint today?

9010
Sprint Navigation is included in your current Sprint plan. Visit your local Sprint store to upgrade to a GPS Navigation enabled phone.

I got my Touch in early Nov and got several messages the same - that's because until the ROM update there is NO GPS "officially" on the phone.

[elements]

ahhh gotcha

I got all excited for nothing

[purelithium]

$15/month for evdo which works fine everywhere including skype. who cares if it has wifi

$7 here in canada on bell... ;)

[thefish123]

$7 here in canada on bell... ;)The Bell $7/month package is a great deal. I have been wanting to get a WM phone/device for ages but the price of the data plans always scared me off. The Touch is a winner already. If it turns out to have GPS that will make it even cooler.

[bon_joey]

$7 here in canada on bell... ;)

thats right, but we need evdo rev a to make skype (voip) much better :rolleyes:

[anywhereanytime]

yeah, i know pictures would help, maybee this weekend I will take the digital camera to work with me an try to snap some shots. I can't get it fully apart though, as I do not have the proper tools, I used makeshift junk I made myself to get it apart last time

Any photos yet ??

[dan-htc-touch]

no photos yet, still trying to track down the proper tooling to remove the screws on the inside, don't wan't to mess it up as I have no warranty anymore

[dharvey4651]

no photos yet, still trying to track down the proper tooling to remove the screws on the inside, don't wan't to mess it up as I have no warranty anymore

It uses either a T5 or T6 Torx screwdriver. You can buy one at radioshack for next to nothing or get an entire precision screwdriver set for less than 20$.

Trust me, I know all too well what radioshack carries...(see signature)

[dan-htc-touch]

the screws on the inside are different than the ones you can see on the outside

[dan-htc-touch]

anybody tried a radio rom from one of the european carriers that have wifi enabled? to answer my own question, NO, or I assume there would be a post about it

[dcd1182]

anybody tried a radio rom from one of the european carriers that have wifi enabled? to answer my own question, NO, or I assume there would be a post about it
i believe you are referring to the touch, which uses a gsm radio.

[dan-htc-touch]

i believe you are referring to the touch, which uses a gsm radio.

I am not sure, I heard there was a cdma vogue in europe that had wifi on it? I have not been able to find any info on it though

[lummock]

Will these pictures not help?
I don't know what i'm looking at but I thought they might save someone some hassle.

FDA link for CDMA Vogue (http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=302771&fcc_id='NM8VOGU100')

note I attached the pdf as a .cab rename to .pdf to view

[anywhereanytime]

I think I heard Jan 2008 back in November (or was it Q1'08) - any newG2 - this "should" tell us about at least the GPS part of this thread ????

[mixxy]

ok so now we've got the pics, and they look EXTREMELY informative...where do we go from here?

[res22fbz]

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=818529&native_or_pdf=pdf

Page 5 Mentions "AGPS Functions"

and also did anyone notice they added a revised Manuel for the Touch dated 01/15/08 anyone know what was changed??

[mbote]

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=818529&native_or_pdf=pdf

Page 5 Mentions "AGPS Functions"



I'm afraid they only referring to the Location Service GPS not the one we're looking for navigation


and also did anyone notice they added a revised Manuel for the Touch dated 01/15/08 anyone know what was changed??

Hmmmm ... I noticed a footnote when describing the LED (check the Alltel doc)

Right LED: Shows a flashing Blue light when the Bluetooth system is powered up and ready to transmit Bluetooth radio signal, or an Amber light for GPS status*.

* The notification of GPS status depends on the network and carrier services.


OK -- If this entry was a mistake on the document previously published for Sprint, Bell and Telus..... I'd understand, and the fact it's not removed makes me still think we have something here.....

Having "GPS notification status dependent on carrier services & network" tells me it's just a matter of a Radio ROM to get things moving on this end.....


Anybody take a look @ the Alltel ROM for any difference with the rest of us.

[mbote]

thats right, but we need evdo rev a to make skype (voip) much better :rolleyes:


Actually you could use the internal VoIP built-in WM6 ... I'm using it on a Bell network and works just great (except, the sound comes out of the speaker). The regular hack online doesn't work well.. I did add in something in the registry in relation to rtp...let me know if interested..

[mbote]

anybody tried a radio rom from one of the european carriers that have wifi enabled? to answer my own question, NO, or I assume there would be a post about it


You're right, the answer is NO since all Touch are not created equal. AFAIK, CDMA's Touch are only North America while the rest are on GSM.

[anywhereanytime]

I think I heard Jan 2008 back in November (or was it Q1'08) - any newG2 - this "should" tell us about at least the GPS part of this thread ????

What's the status of this key ROM update ??

[No1ustad]

I heard it was jan 28th over on ppcgeeks... but not sure that's valid... 10 days. wait and see i guess?

[anywhereanytime]

I heard it was jan 28th over on ppcgeeks... but not sure that's valid... 10 days. wait and see i guess?

Thanks for the input - what does PC Geeks say the ROM update will include besides the know REV A ??

GPS Nav ??

Do you have link ??

[anywhereanytime]

Check out this YouTube video - the author has comments "off" so does anyone know exactly which software this is ??

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PDXXYuJSWM4

[dan-htc-touch]

It appears as though the titan is the same phone, only with wifi and a slide out keyboard. and different ram size. They share the same hardware everywhere else, qualcomm msm 7500, same touch screen. Over in the titan forum a couple guys flashed vogue radio roms to their devices, not knowing they were for the vogue, and they did not have any problems. My thought is this, what if a guy were to flash the titan rom and radio rom to a vogue? would we then not be able to tell conclusively wether or not this beast has the wifi hardware? if all software/firmware is titan, the will be no more blocking of wifi. Assuming it is really there. I would like to try this, but I have no idea how to dump my rom, and there are no telus roms anywhere that I could find, so if this does not work, I would have no way to get back to a telus rom. there is however lots of sprint roms out there? anyone with a sprint touch not afraid of flashing a titan rom, and possibly bricking their device?? Oh god I hope this works

[dharvey4651]

It appears as though the titan is the same phone, only with wifi and a slide out keyboard. and different ram size. They share the same hardware everywhere else, qualcomm msm 7500, same touch screen. Over in the titan forum a couple guys flashed vogue radio roms to their devices, not knowing they were for the vogue, and they did not have any problems. My thought is this, what if a guy were to flash the titan rom and radio rom to a vogue? would we then not be able to tell conclusively wether or not this beast has the wifi hardware? if all software/firmware is titan, the will be no more blocking of wifi. Assuming it is really there. I would like to try this, but I have no idea how to dump my rom, and there are no telus roms anywhere that I could find, so if this does not work, I would have no way to get back to a telus rom. there is however lots of sprint roms out there? anyone with a sprint touch not afraid of flashing a titan rom, and possibly bricking their device?? Oh god I hope this works

Man you're crazy. Lol. Good luck. From my experience, flashing ROM's from another device will almost always lead to a permanent brick.

I will say one thing though... You have much bigger cohognes then me... Unless I'm 100% positive that I know what I'm doing, I don't mess with that kinda stuff.

[mbote]

That sounds kewl for a PoC. I wish I had a device to sacrifice in the name of science but I don't and dharvey is right ...one might cause a permanent brick to their device if they attempt to flash a foreign ROM.......

well, in the name of science, we can all do crazy stuff...but just need a guinea pig

[No1ustad]

Thanks for the input - what does PC Geeks say the ROM update will include besides the know REV A ??

GPS Nav ??

Do you have link ??

I was mistaken, that info was for the titan upgrade. The sprint business site stats the Touch to by upgraded to gps by Q1 2008,

https://shopbiz.sprint.com/popup_product2.php?phone_id=MP6900SP

No mention of the Rev A in the specs though.

[Lowen SoDium]

I was mistaken, that info was for the titan upgrade. The sprint business site stats the Touch to by upgraded to gps by Q1 2008,

https://shopbiz.sprint.com/popup_product2.php?phone_id=MP6900SP

No mention of the Rev A in the specs though.

Rev A is a strong possibility for the up coming Touch upgrade. It's hardware is more or less the same as the Titan (same chip set), and it is supposed to be getting an rom upgrade very soon too that is going to enable REV A, GPS, and maybe... just maybe do some cool things like give us a DirectX video driver, enable MMS, and (mostly dreaming here) update us to windows 6.1. Since the Vogue and the Titan are nearly the same phone (aside from keyboard, wifi, and memory differences) one could assume that the updates will have similar functions.

But you are right, I haven't seen it promised anywhere.

[mbote]

This is encouraging .....
the site says ...[ https://shopbiz.sprint.com/popup_product2.php?phone_id=MP6900SP ]

"GPS Enabled: View your approximate location and use available applications to navigate roadways throughout the country. (will not be available until Q1 2008 upgrade)"

As far as REV A goes, Telus says the following
http://www.telusmobility.com/on/pcs/handset_htc_p3050.shtml

"Phone features
1X-EVDO (Rev A capable**) dual band, all-digital phone"
** With future software update


Still no mention, officially, of any WIFI tho......

Is this info (GPS Enabled) telling us something good is yet to come out....if they officially admit GPS is available (maybe WIFI as well) --- then the question will remain "What does - in clear English - Q1 happens for these folks?" I can't seem to have much patience... or the days are just not moving?


On another thought, GPS and REV A with Unlimited Data for $7 (Bell Mobility)... I think I can live without WIFI ... well, for now

[anywhereanytime]

This is encouraging .....
the site says ...[ https://shopbiz.sprint.com/popup_product2.php?phone_id=MP6900SP ]

"GPS Enabled: View your approximate location and use available applications to navigate roadways throughout the country. (will not be available until Q1 2008 upgrade)"



Thanks for the update, we all know that REV A is planned and this kinda cements the GPS "maybe".

[TICALyen]

No wifi? No Prob!

http://www.cecompass.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=7

[anywhereanytime]

No wifi? No Prob!

http://www.cecompass.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=7

Thanks for the info, but 802.11 "b" only it appears at this time ... not "g". The REV A upgrade will suit my needs for now.

Still holding out hope that someone will once and for all determine if the Wi-Fi hardware and antenna are actually "onboard ... just disabled"

[Lowen SoDium]

No wifi? No Prob!

http://www.cecompass.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=7

good luck getting that to fit in a Micro-SD slot

[Maldrien]

Maybe more something like that.

http://www.spectec.com.tw/sdw823.htm

[No1ustad]

The titan users will be getting their update today from kmartburrito- i'm wondering if there's anyway to take a look at the update and see what it changes/adds in terms of gps/revA? maybe drag that over to use with the vogues? Is this even a possibility or am i stuck in dreamland....

[ambush276]

yeah mogul or titan got the update today,... slo yeah hopefully coems soon!

[Musicman247]

I was mistaken, that info was for the titan upgrade. The sprint business site stats the Touch to by upgraded to gps by Q1 2008,

https://shopbiz.sprint.com/popup_product2.php?phone_id=MP6900SP

No mention of the Rev A in the specs though.

You'll also notice that in the Sprint User's manual on Page 173 this listing appears:

"GPS Internal GPS antenna"

So we know that there is indeed an internal GPS antenna, right?

Here's the manual in pdf format http://www.sprint.com/cdma/assets/pdfs/phone_guides/htc/mp6900sp_ug.pdf

[360discgolf]

Okay, I feel at some level I have to rely what I have been tod. this is from a sprint tech rep who may or may not know what the hell he is talking about.

Q(me): there are rumors going back and forth that the the touch chip set has wifi, do you kow one way or the other?
A(tech rep): I know for a fact that it has the capability, weather it was disabled on pupose or by accident I don't know, but I hvae heard that a different carrier(he mentioned verzion) is going to have wifi on the touch with the same chip set.

Take this for what it is... I also asked if he had to have a degree to do what he does and he said no(not that I give a s@$t one way or the other), then he made comments about some of the people that work there. He also gave me my msl when I asked for it directly, he referred me to the picture mail hack, and I guess what I am saying is all around he seemed cool to me. Does that mean he know what the hell he is talking about, I have no clue.

What I do know is he felt pretty confident when I asked him about wifi. I aslo asked about rev-a and gps for the touch and he said he was also told Q1 2008.

This is more than like ly just talk, but I felt complied to pass it along for what ever it may be worth.

Wass

[jagzjagz]

Hi guys,

So after this long, still no answer on whether the GPS/WIFI functionality is there or not?

Surprised there haven't been more developers/coders trying to dig more into it. Anyone need me to help? :)

[TICALyen]

Futureshop is advertising that the Vouge has a wi/fi port
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0665000FS10096098&langid=EN&CMP=ILC-FS_Flyer_Tracking&test%5Fcookie=1#

[lummock]

Futureshop is advertising that the Vouge has a wi/fi port
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0665000FS10096098&langid=EN&CMP=ILC-FS_Flyer_Tracking&test%5Fcookie=1#

Do us a favor and read the specs a little more carefully!
You just posed a link for the french GSM Touch. We know the GSM version of this phone has wifi. The question here is does the BELL/TELUS/SPRINT CDMA version have this capacity... From the FDA pictures i'm inclined to say no... I'm now trying to work out if the microSD card will work because frankly I really do want wifi.
R

[anywhereanytime]

Okay, I feel at some level I have to rely what I have been tod. this is from a sprint tech rep who may or may not know what the hell he is talking about.

Q(me): there are rumors going back and forth that the the touch chip set has wifi, do you kow one way or the other?
A(tech rep): I know for a fact that it has the capability, weather it was disabled on pupose or by accident I don't know, but I hvae heard that a different carrier(he mentioned verzion) is going to have wifi on the touch with the same chip set.

Take this for what it is... I also asked if he had to have a degree to do what he does and he said no(not that I give a s@$t one way or the other), then he made comments about some of the people that work there. He also gave me my msl when I asked for it directly, he referred me to the picture mail hack, and I guess what I am saying is all around he seemed cool to me. Does that mean he know what the hell he is talking about, I have no clue.

What I do know is he felt pretty confident when I asked him about wifi. I aslo asked about rev-a and gps for the touch and he said he was also told Q1 2008.

This is more than like ly just talk, but I felt complied to pass it along for what ever it may be worth.

Wass

GREAT G2 - thanks for sharing - the new Verizon Touch XV6900 has been getting a lot of press recently, just do a Google search - GPS TURNED ON but no mention of Wi-Fi I see ??

http://wmexperts.com/articles/more_on_the_verizon_xv6900_tou.html

[anywhereanytime]

Another article with loads more detail - Hit detailed view - NOTE: "Preliminary specs"

http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1041&view=1

Even though I was forced to sign up for a new 2 year agreement with Sprint in Nov, I would LOVE to see Verizon stick it to Sprint by having Wi-Fi included !! Unfortunately, Verizon is known for crippling there phones - maybe they are getting smarter ??

Sprint lost almost 700,000 subscribers in the last Qtr alone and FIRED several top execs - there is no way to compete with the iPhone with just Rev A - good riddens to those arrogant bastards !!.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/24/sprint-layoffs-start-at-the-top/

It's just like I am a Tivo fan with DirecTV and under Murdoch they dropped any new Tivo dev for some crappy home brew DVR - NOW the new owners are "rumored" to be bringing it back - it's all about the power of the consumer ... let's not forget that.

And as a backup the 2 year wait for Comcast to roll out Tivo support is finally happening, so it's again all about competition.

[clearcase]

I just want GPS. i don't see why people have there panties in a knot about wifi. you have EVDO, Cheap EVDO (on bell). there is a hell of a lot more EVDO coverage than wifi

[TICALyen]

Well I want WiFi because Im stuck in a contract that says I need to have a minimum $50 data plan. the edvo is only 15$ :( So now I get 2mb/month anything over that is $15/mb

[dan-htc-touch]

I want wifi so I can connect to my work server and access the databases there making me more productive. I bought the phone because the rep at the store told me it had wifi, I did not buy the phone knowing it did not have wifi and now I want to try to get it, I was actually told it had it, and now I must have it

[willpower102]

someone on ppcgeeks mentioned fcc pics being up but with no link. Are they out yet?

[clearcase]

Well I want WiFi because Im stuck in a contract that says I need to have a minimum $50 data plan. the edvo is only 15$ :( So now I get 2mb/month anything over that is $15/mb

ok, i totally get that. have you tried the candy shop/retention/cancellation to move that data plan to unlimited evdo. if you push hard enough they will bend. they always bend for me. helps i used to work in a call center for nextel, before they became sprint, so i know how to walk the ropes. anyways, how about that update!?!?! i want gps and wifi for others! to be honest i don't think we will see wifi on this device due to the different chipset and the reported 3 antennas (bluetooth, cell, gps). i guess wifi would be nice so i don't have to go through orb to watch recorded tv from my pvr while in bed.

[anywhereanytime]

It's now Feb and do we have any photos of the inside hardware yet ??

[deep309]

do we have any photos of the inside hardware yet ??
I am new to this forum. I have been doing a lot of reading. I'm glad I can finally contribute a little. The pics are in the link below.

Happy Super Bowl Day everybody!

D.

INSIDE PICTURES FROM THE FCC (http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=302771&fcc_id='NM8VOGU100')

[Lowen SoDium]

It's now Feb and do we have any photos of the inside hardware yet ??

Yes, there have been high res images for a while now. They were on ppcgeeks forums. There was no WiFi antenna, and no identifiable wifi chip.

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=16724

You see the smaller Qualcomm chip next to the Samsung chip? The one that has the micro-SD port connected to it? There would be a wifi radio directly connected to that chip if the Vogue had wifi.

[anywhereanytime]

Yes, there have been high res images for a while now. They were on ppcgeeks forums. There was no WiFi antenna, and no identifiable wifi chip.

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=16724

You see the smaller Qualcomm chip next to the Samsung chip? The one that has the micro-SD port connected to it? There would be a wifi radio directly connected to that chip if the Vogue had wifi.

THANKS guys ... FINALLY some real "facts".

All along, the theory has been that HTC "would NOT" change their "Touch" production line JUST for Sprint and change the hardware - which HAS W-Fi - and that Sprint (and now Verizon) must have "disabled" it ... BUT IT EXISTS !!

I just looked at the PPC Geeks hi-res photos - It seems like case closed !!

[dew.man]

THANKS guys ... FINALLY some real "facts".

All along, the theory has been that HTC "would NOT" change their "Touch" production line JUST for Sprint and change the hardware - which HAS W-Fi - and that Sprint (and now Verizon) must have "disabled" it ... BUT IT EXISTS !!

I just looked at the PPC Geeks hi-res photos - It seems like case closed !!

You're right about the case closed part, but as for changing production, you need to understand that the CDMA Vogue is a whole different animal than the GSM Elf (yet both are Touch).

[mixxy]

guys, whats the NEED for high res photos? HTC CLEARLY announced on the fcc website that the vogue has no adhoc capabalities....case closed

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=818535&native_or_pdf=pdf

[Lowen SoDium]

guys, whats the NEED for high res photos? HTC CLEARLY announced on the fcc website that the vogue has no adhoc capabalities....case closed

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=818535&native_or_pdf=pdf

Because people like this guy:

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.php?p=176588&postcount=16

keep posting stuff like that.

[klmsu19]

basically because newbies are too ignorant to actually read before posting. The poster even had the right link all they had to do was scroll down and VERY CLEARLY was marked gsm under the network. I mean its not brain surgery basic common sense. But i guess a lot of people dont use that anymore. theyd rather post the same crap over and over and over again when its been answered 10 times over and right in front of their face

thats what people expect on the internet today. the internet force-feeds us info, no brain power needed. People dont use their brains anymore half the time apparently

[ryanbg]

basically because newbies are too ignorant to actually read before posting. The poster even had the right link all they had to do was scroll down and VERY CLEARLY was marked gsm under the network. I mean its not brain surgery basic common sense. But i guess a lot of people dont use that anymore. theyd rather post the same crap over and over and over again when its been answered 10 times over and right in front of their face

thats what people expect on the internet today. the internet force-feeds us info, no brain power needed. People dont use their brains anymore half the time apparently

As if they ever did? :p

[jockyw2001]

A similar issue exists on the WINGS (also a MSM7200 device).
Take a look at this thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361929) maybe it helps you guys.

[vboyz103]

A similar issue exists on the WINGS (also a MSM7200 device).
Take a look at this thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361929) maybe it helps you guys.

Tried the mtty but no luck, it said Command Error at the Cmd> after i typed in rtask c

so not working for Touch :(

[No1ustad]

Hey guys, i'm new here. when's the vogue getting wifi?


Joking--!! :-P

[jockyw2001]

Tried the mtty but no luck, it said Command Error at the Cmd> after i typed in rtask c

so not working for Touch :(
That's because your SPL does not support "rtask".
Is there a HardSPL for Vogue? Didn't see a sticky so prolly not.
I could take a look but need a SPL.
You can dump it as follows:
pmemdump 0x8c000000 0x40000 SPL-Vogue.bin
(pmemdump is part of itsutils made by itsme and runs on a PC while you are connected by activesync via a USB cable)

[vboyz103]

Here's my SPL from Touch.

Note: I'm running SPL-0.40-CokeMan by cokeman, it's a patched SPL from the unlocker for Vogue/Touch.

[malatesta]

Yes, there have been high res images for a while now. They were on ppcgeeks forums. There was no WiFi antenna, and no identifiable wifi chip.

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=16724

You see the smaller Qualcomm chip next to the Samsung chip? The one that has the micro-SD port connected to it? There would be a wifi radio directly connected to that chip if the Vogue had wifi.
Actually, they don't have to be near each other at all--at least they are not on the Mogul.

The Wifi chip for the HTC 6800, which *if* the Vogue were to have Wifi, *may* be the same as the Mogul:

The Wifi chip module on the HTC 6800 is this:

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j277/malatesta77/ti.jpg

That is TI WL1251 (http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12661&contentId=15402):

Here are the Mogul pics plus the corresponding plexed BT/Wifi antenna--note it is not very big.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j277/malatesta77/wifi.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j277/malatesta77/antenna.jpg

So the question is: does your device (Touch) have this on board? From the pics earlier on in that PPCGeeks thread, it appears to be *no* but I cannot be definite (everyone also overlooked the big honking GPS antenna in the Mogul too! lol)

Any help?

--mal
ps Thanks to Murph24 for the Mogul shots

*Also*: An alternate Wifi chip may be one with these numbers from Athoros:

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j277/malatesta77/art.jpg

[storino03]

Why post "what ifs", if it is certain that the HTC Touch (CDMA) has no wifi harware built-in?

--James

[dan-htc-touch]

because it's not certain, as far as I've read and researched, I highly doubt it's there, but there has been no solid proof either way

[malatesta]

Why post "what ifs", if it is certain that the HTC Touch (CDMA) has no wifi harware built-in?

--James
Considering all the "debate" about the hardware on the Touch has been amateur, at best, my post at least tells people what to look for...

People opened up the Mogul when it first came out and said "aha! No GPS antenna, so no GPS! It is not possible!" and that was done by some pretty smart individuals. Turns out they had no idea what to look for and everyone missed the giant GPS antenna that even the FCC docs had labeled (!)--that's just poor research.

When I see people "looking for the wifi chip" and yet have not even bothered to identify what the chip *IS* for god's sake (name, number, location) or what a BT/Wifi plexed antenna even looks like (and where it usually is on the board) I have to question the legitimacy of the whole excursion. I mean were people expecting to find a big black chip that says "WIFI" on it--and not finding that, "proves" there is no Wifi?

And what about the antenna--everyone around here was looking for a separate Wifi antenna and there was some garbage about the "GPS/WIFI" antenna was removed. Yet almost all HTC devices with Wifi have a shared BT/WiFi antenna. This info is out there on the nets, yet no one bothers to look.

Nothing has been proven for the Touch and I was merely giving someone the exact things to look for...

Some of the Roger's Motorola Q q9h's have wifi on the board and are able to be unlocked (http://www.horizonwirelessonline.com/cat/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=204)--it is *not* beyond the realm of possibility that the same could be true (though I am doubtful) of the CDMA Touch.

Now if people are serious about ending the debate about Wifi on the Touch, someone will look for the TI chip which nearly all HTC Wifi devices use. Otherwise, we can continue here shooting lame barbs back and forth and not actually accomplish anything, which is what most of these threads result in...

-mal

[wsparvis]

basically because newbies are too ignorant to actually read before posting. The poster even had the right link all they had to do was scroll down and VERY CLEARLY was marked gsm under the network. I mean its not brain surgery basic common sense. But i guess a lot of people dont use that anymore. theyd rather post the same crap over and over and over again when its been answered 10 times over and right in front of their face

thats what people expect on the internet today. the internet force-feeds us info, no brain power needed. People dont use their brains anymore half the time apparently


IMHO, 'common sense' isn't very common!

[anywhereanytime]

Considering all the "debate" about the hardware on the Touch has been amateur, at best, my post at least tells people what to look for...

People opened up the Mogul when it first came out and said "aha! No GPS antenna, so no GPS! It is not possible!" and that was done by some pretty smart individuals. Turns out they had no idea what to look for and everyone missed the giant GPS antenna that even the FCC docs had labeled (!)--that's just poor research.

When I see people "looking for the wifi chip" and yet have not even bothered to identify what the chip *IS* for god's sake (name, number, location) or what a BT/Wifi plexed antenna even looks like (and where it usually is on the board) I have to question the legitimacy of the whole excursion. I mean were people expecting to find a big black chip that says "WIFI" on it--and not finding that, "proves" there is no Wifi?

And what about the antenna--everyone around here was looking for a separate Wifi antenna and there was some garbage about the "GPS/WIFI" antenna was removed. Yet almost all HTC devices with Wifi have a shared BT/WiFi antenna. This info is out there on the nets, yet no one bothers to look.

Nothing has been proven for the Touch and I was merely giving someone the exact things to look for...

Some of the Roger's Motorola Q q9h's have wifi on the board and are able to be unlocked (http://www.horizonwirelessonline.com/cat/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=204)--it is *not* beyond the realm of possibility that the same could be true (though I am doubtful) of the CDMA Touch.

Now if people are serious about ending the debate about Wifi on the Touch, someone will look for the TI chip which nearly all HTC Wifi devices use. Otherwise, we can continue here shooting lame barbs back and forth and not actually accomplish anything, which is what most of these threads result in...

-mal

FINALLY ... an EXPERT OPINION vs the ones that call "newbies" idiots !! It's GREAT that you have "evidence", but no need to call someone an "idiot" !! It's all about the HUNT and sorting thru G2 speculation - if you can't handle it, don't bother "participating" in the thread ... just GO AWAY and rant on some other forum !!

At the end of the day, it's just FUN until Sprint gets their act together and releases GPS and REV A - let's see they lost over 600,000 subscribers LAST QUARTER ALONE, so "why rush" ?

Try reading the title, it does say "GPS" and REV A is terrific alternative to Wi-Fi - especially at $15 per month UNLIMITED ... or like us ZERO, if you went thru retention !! Verizon is $44 per MONTH, the last I checked - and AT&T is $20 for the iPhone and $29 or $39, I recall, for an other WM6 device !!

[malatesta]

FINALLY ... an EXPERT OPINION vs the ones that call "newbies" idiots !! It's GREAT that you have "evidence", but no need to call someone an "idiot" !! It's all about the HUNT and sorting thru G2 speculation - if you can't handle it, don't bother "participating" in the thread ... just GO AWAY and rant on some other forum !!
Did I call anyone an "idiot"?

No.

Nor did I use "newbies" either, so I'm not sure why the " .." are needed. Please don't attribute false attacks or name-calling to my posts. Amateur ≠ idiot or newbie.

All I have done was take 45 mins of my time to lend assistance by doing research and this is the response I get:

- Why did you bother posting this?
- Someone telling me to "...just GO AWAY"

Very nice. I was hoping for more of "Gee, thanks..that might be useful..." I don't even own a Touch but was hoping to help you folks figure this out by giving you the clues to look for...

All someone needed to (after my post) was open the device and verify if the TI chip is there, instead of endless debate and bickering. I see you're interested in the latter. Go ahead and continue with your "hunt". Yikes. Enjoy.

[h311boy]

Very good point made by malateta. However, i believe that anywhereanytime did not address you in his post. As far as i can see, he was addressing the people who post things like "who needs wifi" and etc.
To the topic: I am not friends with taking apart things (well, actually its the putting back together that i screw up on) but since mogul and touch (cdma) both use msm7500 one can come to a somewhat conclusive result my comparing their chipsets side by side.

[storino03]

Thanks for the response. I was just wondering why the whole wifi argument was so strong to some people. Makes sense. Someone should file a claim with asurion and use their blacklisted Touch to open it up.

--James

[anywhereanytime]

Very good point made by malateta. However, i believe that anywhereanytime did not address you in his post. As far as i can see, he was addressing the people who post things like "who needs wifi" and etc.

You are absolutely right ... Malateta, this was NOT addressed to you because you have offered a ton of detail and logical discussion - keep it coming.

Just look at Post #122 for example - I should have quoted that but I was complimenting yor post as what we need.

Your post was right on.

[malatesta]

You are absolutely right ... Malateta, this was NOT addressed to you because you have offered a ton of detail and logical discussion - keep it coming.

Just look at Post #122 for example - I should have quoted that but I was complimenting yor post as what we need.

Your post was right on.
Then my *sincere* apologies to both you and storino03 for the confusion & strong wording ;-)

[gabo1]

just my .02









http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j133/pheixe/012408155814.jpg

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j133/pheixe/012408155642.jpg

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j133/pheixe/012408155850.jpg

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j133/pheixe/012408155832.jpg

[gabo1]

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j133/pheixe/012408155753.jpg

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j133/pheixe/012408155659.jpg

[willpower102]

We definitely appreciate the effort and I've stared at these on your ppcgeeks thread quite often, (which is linked to above) but these pics just aren't as valuable without proper focus.

If you decide to take it apart again, maybe try a camera on a tripod or some books, in direct sunlight or VERY well lit incandescent / halogen. Remember fov and stay back about 3 feet too.

[Musicman247]

Actually, if you have a Canon camera you can press twice on the Flower to get micro zoom. I've used it to get serial numbers off of small pieces up close before.

[gabo1]

yea, ill use my digital cam n post, those were taken with a megapixel camera phone

[aidencade]

So,

I am new here,

but from all the reading so far we still have not conclusively proved that there is actually wifi on bell's Touch. Interesting. I am actually more interested in getting the GPS working without having to get a Rom and Have issues with Bell's network.. Wish there was a way just to activate it or install the proper drivers and get it working.. But I also don't wanna kill my warrenty as I just got it.. Grrrr.. Stupid having to pay for the GPS service.. I have unlimited evdo on my Fun 25 Bundle so I am not worried about downloads etc.. ANd usually when installing stuff I just Copy it over via winblows PC sys.. I also have a Nixbox running 24/7 so I can use ssh and irc..

Anyways.. If I understood where things were on the boards, as I am sure others would... it would be much easier to see what's what.. Can we get some Labeled Pics?? Thanks.. And good Work to all those working on this dilly of a pickle..

Aiden

[purelithium]

There is no way to get GPS without loading in another rom and upgrading the radios.

You cannot do this with the stock bell roms.

There is no WiFi.

My GPS enabled touch has NO problems with bell's network. Haven't had a lockup in about a week, which is standard even with the stock rom.

Although, in about 3 weeks, i'm ditching this thing for the iPhone. I'm sick on Windows Mobile and the constant tweaking required to get it to do anything.

[bedoig]

I'm sick on Windows Mobile and the constant tweaking required to get it to do anything.

I'd agree that WM can definetly be a little buggy, but I think you'll find that many of the abilities you had to "hack" into your Touch simply won't be available at all on other platforms. Either way, best of luck with the iPhone! They are nice devices, and with the 2.0 firmware and the developer package they should be getting a lot better. Personally, I'm holding out for that Touch Pro. I'll also have to give WM7 a shot when it comes out. But I will be joining you (or checking out Android) if WM7 isn't a significantly better platform.

[ScrapMaker]

I'd agree that WM can definetly be a little buggy, but I think you'll find that many of the abilities you had to "hack" into your Touch simply won't be available at all on other platforms. Either way, best of luck with the iPhone! They are nice devices, and with the 2.0 firmware and the developer package they should be getting a lot better. Personally, I'm holding out for that Touch Pro. I'll also have to give WM7 a shot when it comes out. But I will be joining you (or checking out Android) if WM7 isn't a significantly better platform.

x2 on the Touch Pro (hopefully Sprint will pick it up soon!)

[allrockabilly]

x2 on the Touch Pro (hopefully Sprint will pick it up soon!)

hopefully .. :rolleyes: