Just got off the phone with ATT CS and got an unlock code.

[tresmith]

They told me that my code can be used five times before it is permanently locked to att service.

Is this true?

[jaso2005]

Ive never ever heard of that! Usually when the code is entered the phone is unlocked for life.

[TexasPenguin]

Why would you need to use the Unlock code more than once?
Once the phone is SIM unlocked, it unlocked, you can put any SIM in it...forever.

Sounds like the CS rep is demonstrating his/her usual amazing command of the technical world (caution: irony!)

[Farsquidge]

You will be unlocking your SIM card only...Not your phone.

If you have a 'Tilt' the best recommendation is to re-flash to a good ROM,(Tilt is a very basic OLD bug ridden ROM) IMO the latest HTC ROM as they built the device is best!!!

[jomo25]

Um, no. You will be SIM unlocking your phone. That means you can then use any company network SIM card (i.e. Tmo) with your Tilt. Of course as long as its GSM.

SIM Unlocking != CID Unlocking. SIM unlocking, as I said, lets you use other carrier SIM cards. CID unlocking lets you put any Kaiser ROM on the phone. Without CID unlocking, you can only use the AT&T Tilt ROMs.

You only have to enter the SIM unlock code they gave you once.

The "5 times" comment is if you screw up and mistype it 5 times, your phone will not accept the Unlock code.

[Farsquidge]

Um, no. You will be SIM unlocking your phone. That means you can then use any company network SIM card (i.e. Tmo) with your Tilt. Of course as long as its GSM.

SIM Unlocking != CID Unlocking. SIM unlocking, as I said, lets you use other carrier SIM cards. CID unlocking lets you put any Kaiser ROM on the phone. Without CID unlocking, you can only use the AT&T Tilt ROMs.

You only have to enter the SIM unlock code they gave you once.

The "5 times" comment is if you screw up and mistype it 5 times, your phone will not accept the Unlock code.

Not my experience in the US with a 'non carrier' phone but what the hey!

What works for you best...:)

[TexasPenguin]

If it's a non-carrier phone then, by definition it's SIM unlocked - IE you can put anyone's SIM in it and, so long as the SIM hasn't been disabled (by being reported stolen for example) or it's a Pay As You Go with no money left then it will work.

As said before, SIM unlocking means SIM unlocking the phone.
CID unlocking means CID unlocking the phone.
Both are one-way trips.
SIM unlocking means you can use anyone's SIM.
CID unlocking means you can use anyone's Operating system that supports the hardware.

[_LEM_]

You will be unlocking your SIM card only...Not your phone.


No, that's not correct. You unlock your phone not the SIM card.

[Farsquidge]

No, that's not correct. You unlock your phone not the SIM card.

Just humour me... Try another SIM card please.

I worked there for 2 yrs and could not completly unlock my phone but it may have changed. :o

[_LEM_]

Just humour me... Try another SIM card please.

I worked there for 2 yrs and could not completly unlock my phone but it may have changed. :o

I'm doing it right now. I have a AT&T plan in the US and I now I'm in Spain, using Movistar.

[Farsquidge]

I'm doing it right now. I have a AT&T plan in the US and I now I'm in Spain, using Movistar.

Wonderful... you have just confirmed to me that there are people still on here ready to try something new. I will freely admit I do not know all and will listen to any new ideas/developements. But I will not commit to a blind view without all the facts!!!

Power to your profile!!! (cant say elbow as that only works in the UK!) :D

[smittyofdhs]

Wonderful... you have just confirmed to me that there are people still on here ready to try something new. I will freely admit I do not know all and will listen to any new ideas/developements. But I will not commit to a blind view without all the facts!!!

Power to your profile!!! (cant say elbow as that only works in the UK!) :D

maybe you should read staryon's 1st post again, he disagrees with you also. As everyone else has said here, unlocking the phone is what happens when you call AT&T and request a code. The code that AT&T gives you only works with the IMEI of the phone, it has nothing to do with the sim card. AT&T isn't going to ask for the sim id, they ask for IMEI of the phone (located under the battery).

Most likely staryon has a SIM-unlocked Tilt.

[tiptoekirk]

Wonderful... you have just confirmed to me that there are people still on here ready to try something new. I will freely admit I do not know all and will listen to any new ideas/developements. But I will not commit to a blind view without all the facts!!!

Power to your profile!!! (cant say elbow as that only works in the UK!) :D

ATT will give you the UNLOCK code for the phone.. Not the SIM card.. I have had a blackjack and an 8525 that was unlocked using the code after calling ATT/Cingular department. I took my friends t-mobile sim card, put it into my phone and via, it worked as if it was a tmobile phone to make calls. Same with the 8525 but I put a german pre paid sim card and used it for 3 weeks over there, came back to the states put my att sim card back into it and it worked on att again...

[tresmith]

Um, no. You will be SIM unlocking your phone. That means you can then use any company network SIM card (i.e. Tmo) with your Tilt. Of course as long as its GSM.

SIM Unlocking != CID Unlocking. SIM unlocking, as I said, lets you use other carrier SIM cards. CID unlocking lets you put any Kaiser ROM on the phone. Without CID unlocking, you can only use the AT&T Tilt ROMs.

You only have to enter the SIM unlock code they gave you once.

The "5 times" comment is if you screw up and mistype it 5 times, your phone will not accept the Unlock code.


Yeah she said that if I screw it up five times it will lock to att. I thought that was weird.

Also she said she had to change something in my international portion of my plan. she did not fully explain. does anyone know what could have been changed?

[Farsquidge]

ATT will give you the UNLOCK code for the phone.. Not the SIM card..


Sorry guys, I think I must be working from old info and things have changed since then.
A few years ago.... I got Verizon to unlock my US phone for a UK SIM card and all I ended up with was the capability of the phone to use just the Verizon card and my UK one. If I tried to put any other SIM in it, it would not work.

Soz again, forget my input and excuse an old 'Fart' :o

[jomo25]

Yeah she said that if I screw it up five times it will lock to att. I thought that was weird.

Also she said she had to change something in my international portion of my plan. she did not fully explain. does anyone know what could have been changed?

Yes, AT&T will give out free unlock codes. But to justify it, they are assuming you will need your phone unlocked because you are using it internationally. Of course, they expect that if you are in the US, you are using AT&T's network and thus have no reason to use it with any other US carrier SIM like TMobile.

So, since they make this assumption, they most likely added 1 or 2 items to your monthly bill:
1. AT&T World Connect
2. AT&T International Roaming

THe first lets you call anywhere in the world from the US for reduced (though still quite expensive) per minute rate. The rates are reduced (e.g. 2.29 to 1.99 per minute), but they charge you a monthly set fee (like $5 or so).

The second gives you special rates when roaming in other countries, while still using your AT&T SIM. Again, it just gives reduced per minute rates, that are still quite expensive. I think this one costs a monthly fee of about $9per month.

Also, they need to "provision" your phone to be able to access thenetwork outside of the US. THis does NOT cost anything, but it must be done or your AT&T SIM card phone will never get a signal outside of the US. This is a spearate step that they only give to people who ask for int'l access. Cuz if they just let everyone access int'l networks, some people might not realize the ridiculous per minute rates they charge and end up getting an extremely high monthly bill.

So, anyways, the point is: in AT&T's mind you will only use AT&T SIM for your phone in the US. And the only reaosn they let you unlock it is to use in internationally with a non-US carrier's SIM. So, since they assume that, they may have added some charges to your monthly bill. Its not 100% that they did add the charges and only added the provisioning, but you might want to check.

Go check your online account via att.com/wireless. Check your monthly services. If you see these items, and you do not need them because you arent' going to make calls on AT&T's SIM to or from outside the US, remove those items from our services and you will be credited pro-rated.

Oh, and as for theunlock code they gave you. Assuming you typed it in correctly and got your phone unlocked successfully, you can keep the code, BUT YOU WILL NEVER NEED IT AGAIN. It only needs to get typed in once. Even if you hard reset and flash your phone with a new ROM, you will not need to unlock it again. And it will NOT work for anyone else, so don't think that you can give it to 4 other people and it will work. The unlock codes are unique to the phone via IMEI number.

[alcaet]

anybody needs to Unlock ther Kaiser,

PM me for info.

[micholai]

What is the unlock code?

[alcaet]

every phone has a different unlock code, one code for one phone only, it cannot be transfered of anything like it. and of course those kinds of things aint free.

[tresmith]

Yes, AT&T will give out free unlock codes. But to justify it, they are assuming you will need your phone unlocked because you are using it internationally. Of course, they expect that if you are in the US, you are using AT&T's network and thus have no reason to use it with any other US carrier SIM like TMobile.

So, since they make this assumption, they most likely added 1 or 2 items to your monthly bill:
1. AT&T World Connect
2. AT&T International Roaming

THe first lets you call anywhere in the world from the US for reduced (though still quite expensive) per minute rate. The rates are reduced (e.g. 2.29 to 1.99 per minute), but they charge you a monthly set fee (like $5 or so).

The second gives you special rates when roaming in other countries, while still using your AT&T SIM. Again, it just gives reduced per minute rates, that are still quite expensive. I think this one costs a monthly fee of about $9per month.

Also, they need to "provision" your phone to be able to access thenetwork outside of the US. THis does NOT cost anything, but it must be done or your AT&T SIM card phone will never get a signal outside of the US. This is a spearate step that they only give to people who ask for int'l access. Cuz if they just let everyone access int'l networks, some people might not realize the ridiculous per minute rates they charge and end up getting an extremely high monthly bill.

So, anyways, the point is: in AT&T's mind you will only use AT&T SIM for your phone in the US. And the only reaosn they let you unlock it is to use in internationally with a non-US carrier's SIM. So, since they assume that, they may have added some charges to your monthly bill. Its not 100% that they did add the charges and only added the provisioning, but you might want to check.

Go check your online account via att.com/wireless. Check your monthly services. If you see these items, and you do not need them because you arent' going to make calls on AT&T's SIM to or from outside the US, remove those items from our services and you will be credited pro-rated.

Oh, and as for theunlock code they gave you. Assuming you typed it in correctly and got your phone unlocked successfully, you can keep the code, BUT YOU WILL NEVER NEED IT AGAIN. It only needs to get typed in once. Even if you hard reset and flash your phone with a new ROM, you will not need to unlock it again. And it will NOT work for anyone else, so don't think that you can give it to 4 other people and it will work. The unlock codes are unique to the phone via IMEI number.

ok I just checked my account and I don't see anything new/weird.

Thanks.