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mikeeey

13th December 2007, 12:21 AM

rico002

13th December 2007, 12:30 AM

does it still have the colored touch flo icons?

Bouloama

13th December 2007, 12:39 AM

If you were previously using the HTC or AT&T rom then i highly suggest you upgrade to Dutty's rom.

1. its faster.
2. way better battery life.
3. tabbed task manager at the top
4. more free rom and ram.
5. better design.
6. more i cant think of, try it! its great!

Hope Dutty comes soon with a clean.. lite rom.. not to much added 3d party software :eek:

Does this new Rom also includes the Microsoft .NET Compact Framework 3.5 RTM?

resist

13th December 2007, 01:32 AM

look closer at the posts of his roms...they do have lite versions.

mikeeey

13th December 2007, 01:36 AM

Hope Dutty comes soon with a clean.. lite rom.. not to much added 3d party software :eek:

Does this new Rom also includes the Microsoft .NET Compact Framework 3.5 RTM?
o but he does, his "lite" roms, i dont like them, i installed one on accident and there was basicly nothing on it. its extremely basic, i ment to install his touchFlo rom, so im downloading it now.

i dont think .NET 3.5 is already on, but its avaible right there on the topic.

jym04

13th December 2007, 03:04 AM

I prefer Lite Roms because I can control better what to install, update and remove. I'm using his lite rom no. 6 and its awesome.

rblover69

13th December 2007, 03:11 AM

palm sms needed with mms control bad or palms sms that controls your entire sms through htc home etc

mikeeey

13th December 2007, 04:37 AM

I prefer Lite Roms because I can control better what to install, update and remove. I'm using his lite rom no. 6 and its awesome.
i thought that too, but this rom was soo "lite" that there was nothing unique about it. i mean it was really no different than installing a lite HTC rom.

michalopoulosgk

13th December 2007, 04:51 AM

How does one upgrade the ROM? Is it just a transfer like a cab and then installation in the device, or is it more complicated? Some instructions on how to do that would be very useful. Can you point out where to find them? If it all fails and one needs to go back, would a Sprite restore bring back the previous ROM? Are there any incompatibilities with pre-installed programs? The ftp site lists three different Hybrid TouchFlo programs. How do they differ? Which one is the best recommended?

jym04

13th December 2007, 05:02 AM

i thought that too, but this rom was soo "lite" that there was nothing unique about it. i mean it was really no different than installing a lite HTC rom.

Well actually there's virtually no apps installed, not even the HTC ones. That means that I can install the ones I want. When there's an update, I feel that I can "properly" remove the old ones and install the new ones. They also come with some tweaks already included, and .NET 3.5.
So it feels like a "base pumped" ROM which I can fully customize.

michalopoulosgk

13th December 2007, 05:07 AM

Please give us some instructions on how you install a new ROM.

mikeeey

13th December 2007, 05:30 AM

Well actually there's virtually no apps installed, not even the HTC ones. That means that I can install the ones I want. When there's an update, I feel that I can "properly" remove the old ones and install the new ones. They also come with some tweaks already included, and .NET 3.5.
So it feels like a "base pumped" ROM which I can fully customize.
yes i agree. its just that when i was saying his rom is unique, i think there's some pretty cool things on there, but im not sure what they are. like, i wouldnt know what to search for or what cab to install. so installing the lite rom i wouldnt even get those cool things.
however, if you want this rom not for the cool things he has, but for a blank rom, then the lite rom is the rom to get.

jychan28

13th December 2007, 06:05 AM

Hope Dutty comes soon with a clean.. lite rom.. not to much added 3d party software :eek:

Does this new Rom also includes the Microsoft .NET Compact Framework 3.5 RTM?

If you are a very experienced user you may want a Lite ROM.

However, I found the fully loaded ROM has many advantages.

1. You may have some very useful softwares that you may not even aware they exist. So you will never look for those to put into the Lite ROM in the first place.
2. You will learn to use more applications and figure out good and bad ones first hand.
3. In the Lite version, you'll always find that the software that you need for the moment hasn't gotten installed even you have it in your download library. You'll miss the time and being agonized. As time goes time, you've accumulated all the right softwares in your custom machine, it is time to replace the machine with a new one. The current one just have never reach it full potential.

Kaiser has plenty memory space, a few extra softwares are not to kill it not like TOUCH which really just got a pretty face and no guts.

I recommend fully loaded ROM for casual users. Extra softwares do not increase weight of the machine provided the extra softwares do not cause stability issue. Stability usually caused by bad software. One lousy one can do it.
For example, I won't mind if I can get a 32G SD card and people loaded all the games and MP3 and Video for me.:D

CorruptedSanity

13th December 2007, 07:50 AM

duttythroy

13th December 2007, 10:47 AM

I checked the wiki but still not clear.

I have the same questions as the above post.

If your still unsure on Flashing roms please read this first before attempting

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=332246

trick420

13th December 2007, 03:18 PM

If your still unsure on Flashing roms please read this first before attempting

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=332246

Yeah, that's exactly why I haven't tried to reflash my tilt - The "directions" in that post are so unclear and incomplete...

Someone who can write needs to create a step by step guide - no unexplained acronyms, a complete list of everything that is needed, and maybe a little explanation about why you have to do some of the steps.

I would happily write a post with this info, except that the directions for flashing are so bad that I can't understand how to do it.

Answer some basic questions, like, "can you flash an OS with no Radio - can you flash a radio with no OS?"

When you refer to downloading a ROM - Does that mean to the PC or to the device? OK, I've entered bootloader mode - now what? What's the next step? When I DL the ROM to the device, where should it be stored? What makes up a ROM? Is it one file or a bunch of files?

These are just some of the basic details that should be in a set of directions for flashing.

The HardSPL directions that are built into the install are pretty good - they step the user through every little detail. We need that for "flashing", because based on the information on this forum, it's not inherently obvious how to do it.

Regards,
Jeff

penpower

13th December 2007, 05:34 PM

Yeah, that's exactly why I haven't tried to reflash my tilt - The "directions" in that post are so unclear and incomplete...

Someone who can write needs to create a step by step guide - no unexplained acronyms, a complete list of everything that is needed, and maybe a little explanation about why you have to do some of the steps.

I would happily write a post with this info, except that the directions for flashing are so bad that I can't understand how to do it.

Answer some basic questions, like, "can you flash an OS with no Radio - can you flash a radio with no OS?"

When you refer to downloading a ROM - Does that mean to the PC or to the device? OK, I've entered bootloader mode - now what? What's the next step? When I DL the ROM to the device, where should it be stored? What makes up a ROM? Is it one file or a bunch of files?

These are just some of the basic details that should be in a set of directions for flashing.

The HardSPL directions that are built into the install are pretty good - they step the user through every little detail. We need that for "flashing", because based on the information on this forum, it's not inherently obvious how to do it.

Regards,
Jeff

First of all, please stop being so demanding when you are in the situation of asking for help. Nobody here has obligation to teach you what you need to do to YOUR phone. They don't get paid to do that. I would suggest you to head to tytn/Hermes' wiki page to learn more before you try on your phone http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes

Tilt or tytn II are still fairly new device on the market. Since tytn and tytn II are similar in many ways, you can use hermes/tytn's wiki for reference. Many of us, myself included, learn the process of flashing, upgrading, downgrading, and modifying through countless experiments or through other members here. I'd say - flash your phone with hardSPL first, then you are safe to do the rest if you can follow the directions. Once again, I am not trying to discourage you to ask for help, but please do respect others and their works. They have contributed a lot of time to make this forum the best and make our phones even better. ;)

CorruptedSanity

13th December 2007, 07:51 PM

First of all, please stop being so demanding when you are in the situation of asking for help. Nobody here has obligation to teach you what you need to do to YOUR phone. They don't get paid to do that. I would suggest you to head to tytn/Hermes' wiki page to learn more before you try on your phone http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes

Tilt or tytn II are still fairly new device on the market. Since tytn and tytn II are similar in many ways, you can use hermes/tytn's wiki for reference. Many of us, myself included, learn the process of flashing, upgrading, downgrading, and modifying through countless experiments or through other members here. I'd say - flash your phone with hardSPL first, then you are safe to do the rest if you can follow the directions. Once again, I am not trying to discourage you to ask for help, but please do respect others and their works. They have contributed a lot of time to make this forum the best and make our phones even better. ;)

I do not want to go offtopic, but you are waaaay out of line.
Ive been using online forums for 12 years now and have gotten to where I am because of nice,hardworking and helpful individuals.
Its Karma, in the end if you (people) help trick420 and I learn to flash our roms, they will benefit one day when they visit photography forums (photography-on-the.net) or want to travel to Northern Italy (www.tripadvisor.com) because I have posted very thorough articles and guides to Digital SLR Cameras and Lenses and travelling to places ive been.

His suggestions will in fact make this site better because it will allow others like him and me to learn and then eventually contribute to the forum. I personally am not a professional at WinMobile and have done my homework (read the wiki, googled terms,acronyms,procedures and so on) but have not really grasped the idea of flashing roms.
trick420 was not being demanding, you need to cool down.

trick420

13th December 2007, 07:56 PM

First of all, please stop being so demanding when you are in the situation of asking for help. Nobody here has obligation to teach you what you need to do to YOUR phone. They don't get paid to do that. I would suggest you to head to tytn/Hermes' wiki page to learn more before you try on your phone http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes

Point taken, but my post was a comment, not a request for help, and was not demanding, just an observation. I'm just stating what, in my opinion, is wrong with the instructions posted so far. They lack so much information that a noob simply cannot figure out what to do at times.

A noob is just that - a noobie... How can you expect them to know that a Tytn is similar enough to a Tytn II that the same things apply? How would they know that?

The thread that Dutty refers everyone to that is a "noob" is now 11 pages long. The worst part of it is, the instructions on the first few posts don't even apply to Dutty's ROMs now because he's building them as an executable file (Great idea by the way), which makes me think he's simplified it to the point that you don't need to read the "flashing" ROM.

My point is this - if I'm a noob and I want to learn how to flash, I have to dig through 11 pages of a stickied post that is a year old just to figure out one step of the process. It takes way too much work to figure it all out, and then you'd better make sure that you don't forget something along the way.

Flashing a ROM should be a process to be learned by a noob, not a journey of discovery like it is now.

The wiki or sticky for flashing should be redone for clarity. For me, the flashing process is like a combination of a heavily fragmented hard drive and trying to find a windows registry key without the use of a search function.

Again, I'm not complaining just for the sake of complaining. If someone wants to send me a detailed process for flashing via PM or email for the Kaiser, I'll write it into a document that the average semi-technical noob can use. But until I figure all of this out I can't help. I'm a hardware and software engineer by trade, and I know as well as anyone that the one thing a programmer hates to do is to have to document a project or write a spec. I'm offering to do that if you programmers will support my questions and help me craft a good, readable document for the masses.

Regards,
Jeff

CorruptedSanity

13th December 2007, 08:13 PM

Again, I'm not complaining just for the sake of complaining. If someone wants to send me a detailed process for flashing via PM or email for the Kaiser, I'll write it into a document that the average semi-technical noob can use. But until I figure all of this out I can't help. I'm a hardware and software engineer by trade, and I know as well as anyone that the one thing a programmer hates to do is to have to document a project or write a spec. I'm offering to do that if you programmers will support my questions and help me craft a good, readable document for the masses.

Regards,
Jeff

Me too, ill help write out the guide on a beginner to intermediate level.

penpower

13th December 2007, 08:18 PM

I do not want to go offtopic, but you are waaaay out of line.
Ive been using online forums for 12 years now and have gotten to where I am because of nice,hardworking and helpful individuals.
Its Karma, in the end if you (people) help trick420 and I learn to flash our roms, they will benefit one day when they visit photography forums (photography-on-the.net) or want to travel to Northern Italy (www.tripadvisor.com) because I have posted very thorough articles and guides to Digital SLR Cameras and Lenses and travelling to places ive been.

trick420 was not being demanding, you need to cool down.

The only person that needs to be cool down is you. My post is directly replied to trick420's. If you didn't read his post correctly, please do read his post again. In his whole post, he didn't even bother to use a word "please" or "thank you". Is it how you ask someone for help? Like you said, you wrote a lot of articles to help others for travelling and photography matter. I pretty sure you appreciate if they thank you for your efforts and time, right?

I know everyone has his learning curve, that is why we all come to this forum to learn from each other. However, a positive and respectful attitude toward others is very important. You can't just come here and tell people that they need to tell you everything. Trust me, most of the time, other members will just tell you to do a search instead or just ignore your entire post. I was a newbie here 6 months ago just like trick420, and I still consider I am one now. I felt his pain of having difficulty finding needed information. That's why I pointed him to read the hermes wiki for reference to clear some basic questions he has. This way surely can save his time and many others' as well as saving forum resources. At the same time, he will learn more throughout the process. I hope you understand where I came from.;)

P.S. although I haven't tried Dutty's new rom, I do appreciate his efforts and time to create such nice rom.

TiltedAz

13th December 2007, 08:35 PM

I'd love to download a rom too but the process seems a bit like the wild west and I've even done quite a bit of embedded s/w development. I plan to read up on on the process before I give it a go.

penpower

13th December 2007, 08:36 PM

A noob is just that - a noobie... How can you expect them to know that a Tytn is similar enough to a Tytn II that the same things apply? How would they know that?

The thread that Dutty refers everyone to that is a "noob" is now 11 pages long. The worst part of it is, the instructions on the first few posts don't even apply to Dutty's ROMs now because he's building them as an executable file (Great idea by the way), which makes me think he's simplified it to the point that you don't need to read the "flashing" ROM.

Thanks for your understanding. Like I said, tytn II are still new in the market. Therefore, the wiki or other information are not fully updated yet. It takes time for people to write them out. Many of us came from herems/tytn, so we know they share similarities. Some basic technics can be applied to most HTC pdas. I am pretty sure you will learn a lot from reading the wiki pages. :)

mikeeey

15th December 2007, 10:39 PM

mfrazzz

15th December 2007, 11:05 PM

since were talking about guides and "how to's" now, could someone explain how to install .NET framework 3.5? it almost finishes installing and it says to clear more memory, but i have 30mb of avaible Rom and the .cab is only about 6mb.

A CAB is a compressed set of files so while the CAB may only be 6MB, it may require more space than that to do the install. Also, while the CAB installs, it will be on your phone in memory So if you have 30MB available, you'll lose 6MB as the cab installs, plus how much space is required for the install itself...

On a device like the Tilt/Kaiser why do you only have 30MB available? Sure seems like you have the thing loaded up with stuff... :)

As for a How-To... I may give that a shot this weekend.... Noobs guide to flashing :) I think I can write it for "the rest of us"...

michalopoulosgk

16th December 2007, 12:04 AM

As for a How-To... I may give that a shot this weekend.... Noobs guide to flashing :) I think I can write it for "the rest of us"...[/QUOTE]

Hallelujah!!!!!

mikeeey

16th December 2007, 12:11 AM

A CAB is a compressed set of files so while the CAB may only be 6MB, it may require more space than that to do the install. Also, while the CAB installs, it will be on your phone in memory So if you have 30MB available, you'll lose 6MB as the cab installs, plus how much space is required for the install itself...

On a device like the Tilt/Kaiser why do you only have 30MB available? Sure seems like you have the thing loaded up with stuff... :)

As for a How-To... I may give that a shot this weekend.... Noobs guide to flashing :) I think I can write it for "the rest of us"...
lol, cuz ive filled my SD card and i have quake 2 on my Rom, so i only have 30mb left. until i get my 8gb SDHC for christmas, i cant free upp too much memory. and if i do manage to free up enough for .NET 3.5 and it sucessfully installs that would leave me with a few KB of room left i assume?

mikeeey

16th December 2007, 12:13 AM

im having another problem. i like the black bar on the left of the contact manager, makes browsing the contacts much easier. but i restored my registry from my htc rom and now i dont have it there anymore, i have the default one at the top, im trying to get it back with no luck, aparently i can get it here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1615120&postcount=25

but my registry already says its active and i have those files in my windows folder, so im not sure how to get it to work.

mikeeey

17th December 2007, 07:37 AM