I-Mate 9502

[samy.3660]

Will we have imate 9502 forum over here, as i am thinking to buy it when it will release.

Edit: I have made a new forum for Imate 9502 login at aboutfone.com (http://www.aboutfone.com/viewforum.php?f=32&sid=95a01876afeb2984bcf4208cc335e64c)

[fallenczar]

Will we have imate 9502 forum over here, as i am thinking to buy it when it will release.

is it made by htc??? (no need to answer it here, just think about it)

[samy.3660]

Not, but even O2 Atom is not made by HTC?

[fallenczar]

Not, but even O2 Atom is not made by HTC?

so you don't know the story bout the atom :)
read and you will find out. (look up the flame thread)

[asadoo]

is it HTC developers or XDA developers?

just thinking :confused:

[raymondu999]

so you don't know the story bout the atom :)
read and you will find out. (look up the flame thread)
You mean, flame thread as in, people flaming people, or the Xda Flame thread?

[jomo25]

Another indicator of if it gets a forum here is "will it ever see thelight of day?" I-Mate's almost as dead as a door nail.

[reebzor]

I'm bringing this thread back to push for an I-mate 9502 forums on here. This is honestly one of the main factors on wether or not I will buy this device (if/when it's released). I love this forum and it has helped me so much with my Vox and my Feeler, I would love to have the same support if I were to buy a 9502.

[raymondu999]

actually, that's a bit unlikely, as it's not HTC-made. The forum has specialized in HTC only so far, save for a few **ahem** Atom**ahem**

[mike freegan]

I would also love it if XDA-Dev got a 9502 forum.

The phone looks perfect! I actually sold my bnib Voda V1615 / tytn II upgrade to get some cash for it!

However, being Windows Mobile it will doubtlessly be utterly useless without the XDA-Dev geniuses to iron out all the creases.

I don't see why it can't go in here. It's replaced HTC as the XDAs in the southern hemisphere (i-mate's smartphone range).

I don't see why people are so keen to keep the forum exclusively for High Tech Crap anyway. Until the Wizards they've always been terrible (of course I still loved tweaking with them with the help of XDA-Dev).

[raymondu999]

Actually, not all Southern hemisphere. In Asia, even Southern and Southeastern, HTC still dominates the WM market. Sorry to burst your bubble mate. But the final decision really would be up to the mods, wouldn't it?

[Menneisyys]

Another indicator of if it gets a forum here is "will it ever see thelight of day?" I-Mate's almost as dead as a door nail.

Nope, it isn't dead - and, fortunately, they don't return to HTC, as opposed to what the rumors said before MWC.

[Menneisyys]

Actually, not all Southern hemisphere. In Asia, even Southern and Southeastern, HTC still dominates the WM market. Sorry to burst your bubble mate. But the final decision really would be up to the mods, wouldn't it?

I'll mention this question too in the Mod forum, albeit, I'm afraid, the answer will be no.

[netnerd]

it doesnt matter if there' a imate 9502 forum or not. just use the cab files from this site and put it in Ultimate! i just put PIE 6.1 on Imate 6150!

[mike freegan]

it doesnt matter if there' a imate 9502 forum or not. just use the cab files from this site and put it in Ultimate! i just put PIE 6.1 on Imate 6150!

Some of them will work, but I think a lot of the things that need fiddling with in the registry and I-mate's own bits of software will need device-specific tweaks.

Either way, I can have a tinker, but lack the technical know-how to do anything major. I guess if the device become popular enough we might end up with a forum for it.

[Menneisyys]

Guys and gals, I’ve just posted a HUGE roundup & quick review of i-mate’s all four new devices to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1967268

[mike freegan]

I read on Whirlpool forums that Telstra Australia will be the first to get the 9502, but someone just posted this:

"Just spoke to my telstra contact and he confirmed the 9502 failed testing was due for release on the 10th of march he said it is likelty to be released on the 24th but that isn't confirmed yet."

Lame. I want it now.

[Peter Bruderlin]

Surely we shouldn't discount the Ultimate 9502 just because it's not made by HTC.
The 'Welcome' message admits that the name XDA-Developers is pretty arbitrary, it just so happened that an O2 XDA of some model was the first that they happened to have, and that would make it more O2 than HTC.
I would say that what is much more important is that the 9502 is a WindowsMobile Pocket PC, and it will have the same kind of issues as the other Windows Mobile Pocket PCs discussed here, including other I-Mate devices, and especially the Kaiser which has (from what I understand) the same chipset.

So can we have a forum for the 9502 (and I guess the other Ultimates as well)?

[Peter Bruderlin]

As far as when the 9502 will be available from Telstra, they were able to take my order as of last Thursday. I'd say they would only do that if the issues had been sorted.

[netnerd]

Imate 9502 is IN STOCK from here but i not sure how accurate is that!

http://www.devicewire.co.uk/i-mate-ultimate-9502

[raymondu999]

Actually... in Indonesia, I just saw a guy selling it at a store, selling it for 7.700.000 rupiah, or, in dollars, around US $837. And it was in stock. I saw the packaging of it sitting on the shelf. In addition, he himself used one... and let me play with it... I'm not gonna comment on speed/responsiveness cos it could very well be just the new device syndrome making me think it's faster. Now WHY didn't I think to photograph the damn thing?

[srmz]

I actually like the 9502 very much and would love to have it when it becomes available in the UAE. But my only concern is the very low free RAM of 30 MB as I have read in some reviews. If they sort this out 9502 becomes my next device.

[cushcalc]

Imate 9502 is IN STOCK from here but i not sure how accurate is that!

http://www.devicewire.co.uk/i-mate-ultimate-9502

Also show that the 8502 is in stock.

The official i-mate website now links through to this when you look for UK dealers, but if you look for USA dealers, still showing the old lineup with the 8150 as the most recent device.

[maevro]

I am an authorized I-Mate dealer on I-Mate's website and speak to their US rep. He has been telling me that the 9502 and 8502 should be out in the US very soon, hopefully they won't be held back.

[exlixx]

Anybody knows whether BlackBerry Connect can run on the i-mate 8502 or 9502? Thanks.

[baddison]

At last...its finally in stock!:p

http://www.devicewire.co.uk/i-mate-ultimate-9502

[microq]

Another indicator of if it gets a forum here is "will it ever see thelight of day?" I-Mate's almost as dead as a door nail.

Well... I have one in my hot little hands!
They are on sale in Australia this week and are looking to sell very well indeed - Australia seemingly has just about exhausted its stock of the TyTN II and of course the JASJAM/Dopod 838pro/TyTN etc...aswell...

The 8502 and 9502 will be sold initially exclusivly by Telstra (our main operator here) as I'm sure people have mentioned before...

I think there should be a forum on here for it, HTC or not...

just my $0.02...

D

[raymondu999]

Well... This forum is mainly to devices manufactured by HTC despite of popularity, and in the past, has only really accomodated the non-HTC Atom, and has neglected devices, despite of their popularity, due to non-HTC manufacture. Just my 0.02 cents as well.

[srmz]

Hi microq can you quickly tell me what is the Free RAM that you get immediately after a soft reset. There seems to be a problem with the Imate 9502 in this area.

Thanks and enjoy your new phone

[finesse]

:confused:

[Toast Rack]

Hi microq can you quickly tell me what is the Free RAM that you get immediately after a soft reset. There seems to be a problem with the Imate 9502 in this area.

Attached is my Memory screen after soft reset. Mind you I have quite a few apps installed! ;-)

Does that help?

[srmz]

Thanks for the screenshot. Guess I will have to wait till they resolve the memory problem. I think I saw in another screen shot that even their own other Ultimate series phone 8502 had close to 65 MB free after a soft reset. Just don't remember where I saw that screenshot. Thanks anyways for your response.

[Menneisyys]

Anybody knows whether BlackBerry Connect can run on the i-mate 8502 or 9502? Thanks.

It should.

[schriss]

Attached is my Memory screen after soft reset. Mind you I have quite a few apps installed! ;-)

Does that help?

Maybe it's not an issue, but simple registry/OS configuration, for example FileSystem Cache taking most of Free memory for itself, freeing up as needed. There is a Reg entry for that, maybe set to 0 and see...

[ginloin]

Hey guys. This is a first time post for me...

I have bought an 8502 and generally it is pretty good. But re the 8502 and memory, this is one of the big criticisms of it - the lack of available RAM. It has 128MB, yet with all the startup bloatware that runs this is reduced to 35MB on fresh start or less. A bit of tweaking can result in more. I freed up around 4MB on startup by using a standard tweak that disables the default operator skin (HKLM\Security\Phone\Skin\Enabled = 0). Brilliant!! Everything works as normal but with more memory...except...

...weirdly, when doing this, the intelligent Fn lock for the number pad doesn't work. So, for example, with the operator skin, you can start typing 1, 2, 3 etc, and the phone automatically starts selecting contacts from your phone book that have both the letters 'uio' but also 123. Another example might be using the dialler - it knows you are using numbers automatically so you don't have to hold down the Fn button. Or to type in a simple PIN at screen lock - no need to hold down Fn because it knows that this can only be numbers. When the phone is restored to the default Windows skin, everything works fine except you have to hold down Fn every time you want numbers, no matter what the app. So basically, it loses the ability to intelligently determine when you need numbers.

I don't suppose anyone would know how to make it use the Fn key intelligently without having to use the operator skin? Is there a possible registry key for this, or would it be in the skin files? I wouldn't care all that much if imate would find a way to release a whole stack more of that RAM. Having so little available in a device that packs 128MB is disappointing.

[Grem]

87MB Storage Free and 37MB Program Free after a soft reset here, no apps installed but also not a Telstra branded 9502.

Another vote for a 9502, or even just an i-mate forum here .. they are at least ex-HTC after all ;)

[cushcalc]

I am an authorized I-Mate dealer on I-Mate's website and speak to their US rep. He has been telling me that the 9502 and 8502 should be out in the US very soon, hopefully they won't be held back.

I just received an 8502 from clove.co.uk yesterday.

Here's my first impressions:

-I really like the keyboard - even though it is quite narrow, the key travel and action are so comfortable and precise that I find it quite nice for typing.

-The overall size and feel and quality of the unit are excellent.

-The screen is not as bright nor as vivid in color as my Tilt, e.g. bright blue on the Tilt screen has a bit of a greenish-grayish-blue look on the 8502.

-The joystick works fine, but the select part is not as easy to use as the selection button in the middle of the D-Pad of the Tilt.

-No dedicated buttons for Internet Explorer and for Messaging.

-Only 1 button that you can change assignments of (short press and long press, so 2 assignments possible - I changed to Voice Command and Audio Notes) - vs. Tilt having 6 buttons assignable, for a total of 12 actions one can customize.

-The real killer is that only 2 GB microSD card is supported. I installed a .cab called SDHC.777.cab which is supposed to allow use of higher capacity SDHC cards, and it seemed to work at first, with the unit recognizing both a 4 GB and 6 GB card that I tried, but as I explored with Resco Explorer, sometimes folder contents were visible but sometimes they appeared empty - so it is unreliable and I fear that data could be garbled as I read and write files. I can't believe that they have brought out a phone that uses microSD but not to their full capacity, when it should be a simple matter of having the correct drivers built in. I'm using an 8 GB card in my Tilt now with no issues. 2 GB is just not enough, when I am using Navteq iGuidance v4.0 as my GPS program and the map data file for that alone is 1.1 GB in size!

-I was so excited to get this phone, and I think it is so close to being the perfect phone, because I really like the form factor with the portrait screen and QWERTY keyboard, but it falls short in these several key areas that seemingly could have been remedied with a little more thought and design and very little extra cost!

-Very difficult to find any accessories, or discussion forums, where all the HTC phones have the wonderful xda-developers.com plus many other sites, that make it very easy to customize those phones. So far I haven't even found anyone selling spare batteries for the 8502!

-Oh, and many of the pictures I've seen made it look like it has an attractive shiny brushed aluminum trim strip around the sides, but it really is a dull gray metal strip that adds nothing to the look - chrome like the Blackjack II, or brushed aluminum, would have given it a touch of style, I think.

[mike freegan]

Finally came yesterday! This thing is brilliant! Much more stable than I predicted, and it feels solid. TV out is beautiful. No need to take my expensive laptop on tour now! Woohoo! It feels so solid, and the firmware doesn't feel like a buggy beta which is unusual for a new WM device.

And every app I have tried on it works (voice command 1.6, SPB pocketplus, resco photo viewer)

Things I need resolving before I'm 100% satisfied are:

Reg hack for increasing video recording framerate/size. I'm going to install a registry editor tomorrow and have a fiddle.

SDHC hack. 2GB is insufficient. I have read reports that this is under development and will be released soon.

Need to find a decent way to encode videos. It can't handle upscaling 320 x 240 vids to the VGA screen too well, but VGA vids are too high bitrate for it to handle. What a predicament.

Need to test Tomtom and Coreplayer when the SDHC hack is released although I believe both work flawlessly.

[netnerd]

I just received an 8502 from clove.co.uk yesterday.


did clove send u tracking #? clove said they will ship my imate 9502 today, but i havnt gotten any tracking # yet!

[schriss]

did clove send u tracking #? clove said they will ship my imate 9502 today, but i havnt gotten any tracking # yet!

They shipped mine on friday and it arrived Tuesday morning, that was Standard delivery from UK to Poland, so quick!

[netnerd]

i heard when your start your gps programs, u need to manually turn on gps?
WTF! i used to have Eten x800, gps automally start when u start gps program.
can some1 make a script to turn on gps automally when u start gps program?

[tommymunch]

I got my Imate 9502 2 days ago from Clove. Excellent service and delivery times. Left on Friday from there warehouse in England, arrived Monday in the US.
I absolutely love it.
I replaced the Jasjar (Universal) after a long 2 1/2 years.

Pros:
It is faster than the old model, thinner, lighter. Battery lasts a lot longer.
Windows mobile 6.1
3 MP camera takes much better pics than older cam.
Battery casing is real metal, not cheap plastic.
Soft reset is right above keyboard, easy access.
A lot of buttons with the keyboard closed.
GPS, haven't used yet.

Cons: smaller screen, smaller keyboard (less keys and much smaller). Miss the double speakers.

Overall impression:
Have to get used to slider vs clamshell and smaller keyboard. I enter data a lot so I have to learn to use this keyboard.
No more brick in my pocket. I can actually hold the phone to my ear without getting unusual stares.
Definitely recommend.

[netnerd]

did dhl send u tracking #?
clove said my 9502 dispatched yesterday, but i havnt gotten any tracking # yet!

update: never mind, i went to clove.co.uk website and fill out a tracking form. they email me back 10 minutes later with tracking #!

[yndor]

...
Pros:
It is faster than the old model, thinner, lighter. Battery lasts a lot longer.
Windows mobile 6.1
...
Did you get your 9502 with Windows mobile 6.1 really? I received it from Clove this Monday as well, but with Windows mobile 6 :confused:

[res_au]

Hey just upgrading from a hermes, made a couple of roms with a kitchen for that, just wondering whether anyone can point me in the right direct to get started on the 9502. Cheers

[goranicus]

I got my Imate 9502 2 days ago from Clove. Excellent service and delivery times.

After reading this I have ordered a 9502 from Clove yesterday (from Germany). Untill now no conformation jet, have emailed several times to them, they simply do not reply. If I don't get a answer untill monday then I will cancel my oder and order the imate elsewere.

[mike freegan]

I got an email from Clove last Friday saying it would arrive the following Monday. It arrived Monday at about 11am. Great service.

All I can see that this needs to be perfect is:

1. SDHC patch (current patches destroy the Wifi)
2. Overclocking app for qualcomm processor.

[goranicus]

I got an email from Clove last Friday saying it would arrive the following Monday. It arrived Monday at about 11am. Great service.


You have got a email from them ?

Can you please send me the email address via pm !


I have written today 3 emails to Sales@clove.co.uk but it seems nobody is reading them :(

[netnerd]

I have written today 3 emails to Sales@clove.co.uk but it seems nobody is reading them :(


go to your account on their website and fill out a tracking form. they always repond to my Qs in less than a hour!

DHL shows my 9502 is already in my city dhl location, but they havnt deliver to me yet! maybe they playing with my 9502? it' already 11:20AM PST!

[dbond45]

Seems my 9502 posted from Clove on 4/18 has gone missing in the U.S. and no one ( I mean know one) can help me. Not Clove, not the USPS, not customs, not JFK deliveries, etc.

Came into the country for fior final delivery in Chicago via JFK on 4/19, but since Clove ships via Royal Mail Airsure, it can't be tracked past that. Really, really crappy method of shipping if you ask me.

Clove has not been much help, only admitting they sent an $800 phone via an untrackable method. I've e-mailed them several times and called. No luck on getting a track. For all we know it could be on it's way back to the UK if you ask me....

The post office might have the worst CS known to man. No word on where it is or what could of happened. I was even told it may have been stolen.

Great.

How long must I wait for this damn phone? After two delays from Clove it was finally shipped, only to go MIA.

$800 gone. I hope Clove will send a replacement, or refund me ASAP. This is ridiculous.

Sorry for venting...

Dbond

[cushcalc]

did clove send u tracking #? clove said they will ship my imate 9502 today, but i havnt gotten any tracking # yet!

Yes, once I got billing approved with my bank - they initially put a hold from the fraud department (Wells Fargo) because they were "concerned" about possible unauthorized use of my credit card since the charge was coming from England. That caused me to miss out on the first batch and have to wait 10 days for the second batch, then call the fraud department again to loosen the reins.

So, check with your bank and make sure a charge has gone through - neither the bank nor Clove will tell you right away if they are sitting on it.

[goranicus]

go to your account on their website and fill out a tracking form. they always repond to my Qs in less than a hour!


Thanks, have done this yesterday imediatly after reading this. But still no reply :(

On my account I can read only Order Reference CLOVE0804xxxxxxx (24/4/2008) - PROCESS , and no email answer jet. Clove is working on Sutterday ?




Clove has not been much help, only admitting they sent an $800 phone via an untrackable method. I've e-mailed them several times and called. No luck on getting a track.

A very frightening storry :eek: I hope you get your money or your Phone soon !



Yes, once I got billing approved with my bank - they initially put a hold from the fraud department (Wells Fargo) because they were "concerned" about possible unauthorized use of my credit card since the charge was coming from England. That caused me to miss out on the first batch and have to wait 10 days for the second batch, then call the fraud department again to loosen the reins.

So, check with your bank and make sure a charge has gone through - neither the bank nor Clove will tell you right away if they are sitting on it.

I live in Germany, my Creditcard is from Germany, my email is firstname@lastname.net and with a simple whois you can verify my address and phone, there is nothing that can be suspicious.


The Phone should be a Birthday present for my Wife, I need it for the next weekend. So please do understand why I am nervous and angry when nobody answers my emails for days.


Sorry, but I am not convinced any more that Clove has "Excellent service and delivery times" :(

[mike freegan]

You have got a email from them ?

Can you please send me the email address via pm !


I have written today 3 emails to Sales@clove.co.uk but it seems nobody is reading them :(

Sorry mate, just sales@clove.co.uk

[schriss]

I got an email from Clove last Friday saying it would arrive the following Monday. It arrived Monday at about 11am. Great service.

All I can see that this needs to be perfect is:

1. SDHC patch (current patches destroy the Wifi)
2. Overclocking app for qualcomm processor.

Agreed, Clove = ultra fast shipping!

I'd add:
3. Memory problem - only 30MB free after reboot. Device has 128MB, so there must be a problem.

re overclocking - Pocket Hack Master, maybe he is working on that...
P.S. I don't care about SDHC :p There are two patches, second one seem stable and doesn't break anything.

[netnerd]

Agreed, Clove = ultra fast shipping!

I'd add:
3. Memory problem - only 30MB free after reboot. Device has 128MB, so there must be a problem.




any1 know how to cancel those exrom from loading? i cant cancel it! tried reset or camera button, it' not working!

[netnerd]

The Phone should be a Birthday present for my Wife, I need it for the next weekend. So please do understand why I am nervous and angry when nobody answers my emails for days.


Sorry, but I am not convinced any more that Clove has "Excellent service and delivery times" :(

i think they having problems with their email server. that y it' best to use the online tracking form.
i got this back when i send them email.

dateFri, Apr 25, 2008 at 12:04 PM
subjectDelivery Status Notification (Delay)

hide details Apr 25 (1 day ago) Reply


This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification

THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE.

Delivery to the following recipient has been delayed:

sales@clove.co.uk

Message will be retried for 2 more day(s)

Technical details of temporary failure:
TEMP_FAILURE: Gmail tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient domain. The error that the other server returned was: 451 451 Temporary local problem - please try later. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further information about the cause of this error. Thanks for your continued support. (state 14)

[mike freegan]

Agreed, Clove = ultra fast shipping!

I'd add:
3. Memory problem - only 30MB free after reboot. Device has 128MB, so there must be a problem.

re overclocking - Pocket Hack Master, maybe he is working on that...
P.S. I don't care about SDHC :p There are two patches, second one seem stable and doesn't break anything.

Really? Which one works?

[P996]

I ordered a 9502 from Clove and although I paid with an AMEX card, they asked for identification, etc. etc. etc. They told me that my 9502 would ship as soon as they get them in stock again but funny...when I ordered it, it WAS in stock.
So I decided to send them a mail on Monday(from my office) to cancel my order.
I already ordered a 9502 from Expansys, they charge around 50 EUR more but they don't bother me with sending a copy of my credit card via fax, etc. Expansys is also very fast, last time I received my shipment in ONE day(express service).

Since the 9502 seems to be in stock at Expansys(they confirmed my order and that the 9502 is in stock), I expect to receive the 9502 this Monday or maybe Tuesday.
I'm not quite sure I made the right choice, the 9502 seems to be very well build and the VGA display surely is a treat but the memory "leak", the SDHC issue and especially the video driver mystery(does the 9502 have the same issues like the HTC TyTN II or not???) drive me crazy.

In the end, I'm afraid I'm going to end up with the iPhone 2.0(3G version).

So far, I like my Blackberry Curve, my Nokia N95 8GB and the iPhone best.
I also like the Samsung i780 for it's marvelous WM performance but I was very disappointed with the nav support(I bought one of the first units back in February and no nav trial was supplied, most regular programs didn't work without GPSGate).

Maybe HTC has something new and sensational in the pipeline for the next presentation event(soon) but I don't have many hopes. Another hope lies with the Sony Xperia 1.

The 9502 is my last hope for a WM device with decent video performance in the right package.

[cushcalc]

. . . P.S. I don't care about SDHC :p There are two patches, second one seem stable and doesn't break anything.

Really? Which one works?

Yes, please share: which SDHC patch works, and how you've tested to be sure - because I used SDHC.777.cab on my 8502 - seemed to work at first, but errors started to creep in when attempting to read and write, create folders, etc - I was worried that I would totally scramble my 6GB microSD card.

[mike freegan]

The low memory is a bit annoying, but despite that I think the 9502 runs perfectly quickly. I guess video and flash content in browser suffers a little, but this is still by far the fastest WM device I have owned and it's the first ROM! I have good info to suggest an update is on its way too fixing the SDHC issue (oddly, I found registry values for SDHC in the 950 already).

I just wish someone would pull their fingers out and make some qualcomm video drivers!

Also, an overclocking app wouldn't go a miss. I remember with the Wizard, the extra 84mhz overclocking gave made all the difference between it being a brick and a monster.

[hab]

Hi,

Could someone who owns it and has "played" with it a lot, please tell us how responsive is this device? I am sure the ~30mb of RAM are not that great, but does this actually play any significant role?

Is memory leak present to big extent or the device remains at ~30mb for a long time without soft reseting? I remember similar VGA devices from ETEN which started at ~20mb and after about an hour went down to ~15 making the devices unusable!

Generally how does it feel in terms speed? Comparing to other devices, let's say kaiser or cruise, is it sluggish or at the same levels? Could any of you who have it make a benchmark with spb, sktools or something similar, to see how it compares?

Moreover, I have read some complaints about its battery. Do you believe it is ok or it drains very fast?

Finally, how is its GPS? I have read two comments which say that it has a very bad GPS with very low signal strength. Is this true?

Sorry for my long post, but I am seriously considering of buying this device and these issues concern me a lot...

P.S. I read about a nice trick for releasing 10mb RAM. I have tested it, as I don't own the device, but it looks easy to do and reverse:

http://www.ppcsg.com/index.php?showtopic=97713&st=298

[maevro]

Has anyone been able to receive an 9502 from a US retailer? I know most of you guys got yours from Clove, but there are some issues I-Mate is having and getting them into the U.S. and to their distributors.

The usual bulk orders aren't coming in....

[schriss]

Hi,

Could someone who owns it and has "played" with it a lot, please tell us how responsive is this device? I am sure the ~30mb of RAM are not that great, but does this actually play any significant role?

Is memory leak present to big extent or the device remains at ~30mb for a long time without soft reseting? I remember similar VGA devices from ETEN which started at ~20mb and after about an hour went down to ~15 making the devices unusable!


I have removed some startup programs and now I get ~32MB after reboot.
What's amazing is that after I open programs, settings for the first time, navigating them is then blazing fast! I couldn't scroll that fast on TyTN, the only device that fast was old iPaq running WM2003SE.

Memory goes down but then is freed correctly. When I run some apps I sometimes end with 2-3MB free and all still works, never had a slowdown problem.

I think the device uses ATI hardware acceleration, the file I found in windows is ahi2dati.dll
ATI Handheld Interface 2.07.050110.34681

[P996]

This is really strange(or should I say funny): there are already dozends of 9502s in the wild, owners are talking about them, there are owner images and short reviews available but apparently none of the current 9502 owners seem to care about the video performance.
Could a 9502 owner PLEASE test the video performance, for example playing a 200-800 MB Divx file from a microSD card? Or a standard .avi file at the same size?

I still think that the 9502 uses pretty much the same hardware and Qualcomm drivers like the HTC TyTN II but I hope I'm wrong.
With a bit of luck, I'll have my 9502 tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, so I can do my own testing. I'll post the results over here but so far, the Samsung i780 is the fastest WM6 phone I ever tested, video performance is EXTREMELY high(a 800MB sized Divx movie played at a perfect quality without ANY stuttering or sync problems).

[ginloin]

P996 - I can't tell you about the 9502 specifically, as I have an 8502, but it uses the same processor. Video is important to me too and I was unable to get any definite feedback before buying mine either. With the 8502 video playback is ok, and from what I've read, better than the TYTN II. BUT...and this is the thing, the 8502 is only QVGA and so are the videos I'm playing. And even then, it wasn't great to begin with, until I freed up some RAM. By freeing up a whole lot of memory (about another 10MB or so - I removed the imate service as suggested above when I first got it, and that worked fine and freed up heaps of RAM), it's pretty smooth using TCPMP, but I tried playing a video in full VGA res (even though it was only displaying in QVGA) and it was terrible! Unwatchable, completely jerky and stuttery. It just couldn't render it fast enough. This is still important for the 8502 because it has VGA video out. The box itself says 'Your mobile television - View your photos, videos, emails and the internet on the big screen of your television'. So I would still want to store VGA quality video and play them on the TV. Who wants to watch video on the big screen at 320x240?! But this won't be possible (and without SDHC support you couldn't store many videos anyway! But that's another matter...)

I have read posts elsewhere from a couple of other 9502 users who have said it isn't good but again, can't confirm that for sure. So kinda weird the 9502 has a VGA screen, is touted as a video player, yet most likely can't play VGA quality video! Same with the 8502 - VGA video on the big screen...at 320x240! Yay... :-( So I don't think there's any chance of just being able to drag native DivX files on and watching them seamlessly. You'd have to do some kind of conversion process I'd reckon. For me, it is converting them to 320x240. To retain VGA resolution, I reckon the only hope would be to reduce the sample rate or some other quality factor significantly, but then what's the point of having VGA video?

And to the person that said there is a second more stable sdhc patch, any chance you could respond to everyone that has been asking what and where? I've tried a few patches but have had all the same problems - wifi locking up, card dropping out, etc. Hadn't heard of any stable resolution to this yet but if there is one, we'd all love to know about it.

[mike freegan]

I have this device. It is very snappy - probably the quickest WM device I have used navigating around the OS.

Battery seems ok, although I haven't stopped playing with it for long enough to fairly test so far :P

As for video - This thing doesn't yet take SDHC, and I'm not buying a regular 2gb microSD card out of impatience, so I haven't had chance to test properly. I did try a couple of music videos on it that my Sony Ericsson P990 managed fine, and the 9502 REALLY struggles to upscale them to fullscreen. Weirdly, they work a lot better in WMP than in Coreplayer.

They also seem to work better on my TV than on the 9502 display.

I'll give it another try with the 10mb trick later.

[schriss]

I did try a couple of music videos on it that my Sony Ericsson P990 managed fine, and the 9502 REALLY struggles to upscale them to fullscreen. Weirdly, they work a lot better in WMP than in Coreplayer.

It appears 9502 does use hardware acceleration, drivers are there (probably it's ahi2dati.dll), Coreplayer just needs to start using them.
As far as I have seen, WMP does use hardware, that's why it plays so fast.
It appears TyTNII doesn't have drivers for ATI. Not sure if it will be possible to just cook files in the ROM and enable hardware acceleration, remember GPS on TyTN? Was not possible to enable, despite the cact it was builtin.

[frag999]

It appears 9502 does use hardware acceleration, drivers are there (probably it's ahi2dati.dll), Coreplayer just needs to start using them.
As far as I have seen, WMP does use hardware, that's why it plays so fast.
It appears TyTNII doesn't have drivers for ATI. Not sure if it will be possible to just cook files in the ROM and enable hardware acceleration, remember GPS on TyTN? Was not possible to enable, despite the cact it was builtin.

Has somebody posted SPB graphics benchmarks for the 9502? Everybody got excited when the HTC Sedna was benchmarked a few weeks ago and it slaughtered the Kaiser in particular with the graphics test titled "DDB BitBlt". See http://www.todosmartphone.com/Revisin-de-la-HTC-P6500-Sedna-Fotos-Videos-y-Tests-Benchmark-notice-87P4.html or http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=381254 for details. Of course this test result could not be replicated on retail versions of the Sedna. The test on the Sedna and Kaiser was conducted at QVGA - I don't know if this will complicate the comparison due to the native higher resolution of the 9502. Is it possible to reduce the screen resolution of the 9502 before testing?

[mike freegan]

I tried the benchmark thing, and it managed my 320 x 240 23fps music vid at 23% speed. I think maybe I'm doing it wrong - at least I hope so. As I said, WMP works MUCH better than Coreplayer.

If someone links me to a smallish video (I only have about 25mb free space) and some basic instructions I will do a benchmark.

[frag999]

I tried the benchmark thing, and it managed my 320 x 240 23fps music vid at 23% speed. I think maybe I'm doing it wrong - at least I hope so. As I said, WMP works MUCH better than Coreplayer.

If someone links me to a smallish video (I only have about 25mb free space) and some basic instructions I will do a benchmark.

Would you be willing to do the SPB benchmarks and post your "DDB BitBlt" results? The results of a potentially graphics accelerated HTC Sedna was reported to achieve a score greater than 10x faster than a HTC Kaiser in this test. It was a night and day result. The benchmark is free for personal use:
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/benchmark/download.php?en#personal

[mike freegan]

Done. SPB Benchmark Graphics results attached. I don't really understand them, so if anyone could let me know how good/bad they are it'd be nice.

[frag999]

Done. SPB Benchmark Graphics results attached. I don't really understand them, so if anyone could let me know how good/bad they are it'd be nice.

My interpretation is that they don't look all that great. Perhaps the VGA screen on your 9502 is throwing off the results? I am going to attach some images that I took from another thread that illustrates the difference between the Kaiser and HTC Sedna. It also has some references to older devices that will allow a comparison to the results that you posted in the table:
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4231/htcsednagraphddbbt3.gif
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1917/30937000uv2.jpg

[sx1-doc]

take a look at this ,somehow i think vga use alote of the 9502 power.

this is benchmark of my asus p525 with turbo at 416 mhz ,std 312 mhz and power saver at 208 mhz and without any graphic power enhancer.

please try vsbenchmark http://vsbench.virtualspaghetti.com/
and post results

[goranicus]

I ordered a 9502 from Clove and although I paid with an AMEX card, they asked for identification, etc. etc. etc. They told me that my 9502 would ship as soon as they get them in stock again but funny...when I ordered it, it WAS in stock.


It seems I am lucky, I have received a email today with the info that the 9502 has been dispatched.

No tracking nummber :( , but I hope it will go well and arrive untill next weekend.

[mike freegan]

OK, so I understand that the terrible performance of this (and the Kaiser) is due to not implementing qualcomm graphics drivers. My question is, how will this be remedied?

Like, are we simply waiting for HTC/i-Mate to implement it, or are they waiting for something from Qualcomm before they can build their firmware around it.

I guess my real question is, can I expect this to be remedied in a ROM update any time soon? I know i-Mate will be releasing one because it has been confirmed that they will be shortly releasing SDHC support.

Or is it down to the individual software companies to implement it? Like, could say Coreplayer release a new version that properly utilises the qualcomm processor regardless of which ROM/phone you're using?

[mike freegan]

*Just whilst I'm here, I took my phone off charge at 11am. I have spent approx 10 mins using wifi, sent 10 sms, made 10 minutes calls, played 3 minutes video, listened to 6 minutes MP3 and used bluetooth file transfer for 7 minutes.

Battery is on 75% at 4am. Not bad at alll!

[notisz]

Due to the lack of support from xda's site i sold my sedna and bought an ultimate 9502...i will have it my hands in 2 or three days..lets see what this baby has to show

[P996]

Got mine too today, first impression is very good, the display is a treat but unfortunately it is transmissive and not transflective, meaning that I'm going to have trouble using this baby under the bright sun. :(
Can't confirm the "snappy" operation of the device out of the box. Compared to a HTC TyTN II modded with Dutty's latest WM 6.1 ROM, the 9502 is really slow.
More to come after I benchmark the 9502.

Btw: does somebody have(or know) a good WM6 BLACK theme which also works with the 9502? Thanks.

[netnerd]

is it easy to cook wm6.1? some1 should cook wm6.1 for 9502 so i have something new to play with! haha

[netnerd]

can some1 make a GPS icon? sometime i forgot to turn off GPS.

update: never mind about the gps icon. when gpsgate is green, then i'll know i forgot to turn off gps

[netnerd]

Got mine too today, first impression is very good, the display is a treat but unfortunately it is transmissive and not transflective, meaning that I'm going to have trouble using this baby under the bright sun. :(



I have no problems seeing in direct sunlight, infact I writing this on direct sunlight using full brightness on 9502. maybe it' your screen protector cover? I don't use no screen cover! haha

[netnerd]

Got mine too today, first impression is very good, the display is a treat but unfortunately it is transmissive and not transflective, meaning that I'm going to have trouble using this baby under the bright sun. :(



I have no problems seeing in direct sunlight, infact I writing this on direct sunlight using full brightness on 9502. maybe it' your screen protector cover? I don't use no screen cover! haha

[schriss]

My Keyboard Backlight stopped working. I have seen somebody else reporting this too - maybe it's 9502 common hardware problem.
If I press Del key harder, backlight turns on, goes off as soon as I release the key.

[P996]

I have no problems seeing in direct sunlight, infact I writing this on direct sunlight using full brightness on 9502. maybe it' your screen protector cover? I don't use no screen cover! haha


You must be kidding, right?! I'm not using any screen protector cover.
The 9502 has a transmissive display, you can't see much in direct sunlight unless of course the sun doesn't shine directly onto your display. ;)
Another problem are fingerprints in direct sunlight.
The P6500 is a completely different beast regarding outdoor usage, the colours look dull(even without sun) but you can read everything perfectly and what is even more impressive is that it seems that the display has some sort of anti-fingerprint treatment since fingerprints are hardly visible.
Try the iPhone in direct sunlight, you'll be impressed. The Nokia N95 8GB and the Nokia E90 are also very good in direct sunlight, the colours look washed-out but even with polarized sunglasses you can read anything on the display.

I have high hopes for the new Sony Ericsson X1, one of their engineers made an interesting statement, saying that the X1 is only build by HTC but SE did the development part, making sure that people understand that the X1 is special(better than the "usual" HTC devices ;) ). I hope he is right.

[mike freegan]

I have high hopes for the new Sony Ericsson X1, one of their engineers made an interesting statement, saying that the X1 is only build by HTC but SE did the development part, making sure that people understand that the X1 is special(better than the "usual" HTC devices ;) ). I hope he is right.

This is terrible news :( I was hoping to get the X1 as my next device. WM software with SE build quality sounded perfect.

Now it sounds like the complete opposite. We can expect HTC's terrible quality hardware(plasticy finish, flaking paint, loosening slide mechanisms, poor battery life anyone?) with Sony Ericsson buggering up the software. Despite originally being a £400 device, my P990 STILL has dreadful memory leaks despite several updates, and SE eventually abandoned its P990 users. I really hope you're wrong :(

[P996]

This is terrible news :( I was hoping to get the X1 as my next device. WM software with SE build quality sounded perfect.

Now it sounds like the complete opposite. We can expect HTC's terrible quality hardware(plasticy finish, flaking paint, loosening slide mechanisms, poor battery life anyone?) with Sony Ericsson buggering up the software. Despite originally being a £400 device, my P990 STILL has dreadful memory leaks despite several updates, and SE eventually abandoned its P990 users. I really hope you're wrong :(

Why terrible news(btw: it IS a fact that the X1 is manufactured by HTC for SE), this is actually good news. I remember when I held my first Palm Treo 750 in my hands, I couldn't believe that this GOOD device was made by HTC. Completely different quality impression/feel by that time.

Again: HTC is only manufacturing (with SE specs) the X1, they apparently didn't have any saying in hardware developing. I think this is good news, at least I hope so.



A little update regarding the i-mate 9502:
1. I deactivated(using SKTools) the i-service link (autostart). This added aprox. 4-5 MB more RAM but you loose the i-Q tools(which isn't really a problem unless you worry about loosing your 9502). Surprisingly, removing this background service apparently also improved video playback performance.
2. I installed The Core Media player 0.81 instead of 0.72 and video playback seems to run smoothly now but I tried only a 190 MB Divx file for this purpose. Anyway: it is better than it is on the TyTN II now but I can't say if it is MUCH better, I need to try the larger video file tonight.
3. after de-activating the i-Q service, I usually have 32 to 37 MB RAM free for my applications, the worst RAM killer is Worldmate, it eats up to 13 MB and more, what a shame. You always need to make sure that you CLOSE such applications to free up RAM, some sort of "automatic" utility(I think the Asus P750 has one, maybe it works with the 9502) would have been nice.
4. 3G reception seems to be slightly better than on the HTC TyTN II
5. audio phone quality is good, definetely better than it is on the Asus P750 or P6500
6. ringtone is sufficiently loud and covering the loudspeaker hardly tones down loudness(good when the 9502 is sitting in it's belt holster), vibration alarm very strong, good thing for business users
7. battery life doesn't seem to be great, I removed my 9502 at around 9 am from the charger and now at 4 pm, I have around 60% charge left. I didn't make too many calls, WiFi was turned off all the time, just five minutes of GPS usage for Google Maps testing
8. satellite reception is good, not as good as on the P6500 or a WM device with SirfIII chipset but definetely not bad. You need to wait for the first "sat fix" which may take a couple of minutes but after that, it works just fine. Before you use Google Maps, make sure you get a first satellite fix, otherwise Google Maps may show a message that the 9502 isn't compatible with the "my location" function. It IS, it works but you need to activate GPS and have a first satellite fix first.
9. camera picture quality is, under good light conditions but even indoors, pretty good for a WM device and definetely better than the quality you get from the TyTN II or P6500. The camera isn't suitable for real snapshots of moving objects but definetely not bad at all. It feels "snappier" than other WM6 devices with 3MP cameras when it comes to focusing and taking the picture and taking pictures in almost completel darkness also works better due to the LED light supplied.

So far I'm getting used to the 9502 but it isn't THE wonder WM device I had hoped for.

[mike freegan]

I feel a little ripped off by I-Mate TBH. The 9502 is sold as an MSM7200 device, but doesn't use the MSM7200's video capabilities. It's a bit like being sold a dual core PC, getting it home and finding that only one of the processors works. Unacceptable.

I can't see it getting fixed either. i-Mate are clearly in a bit of trouble financially, so I don't think they'll have the money or resources to invest in developing the video drivers.

I still haven't managed to get a VGA video file to play, even at really low bitrates.

[P996]

The 9502 could be a great device if people would start cooking ROMs for it like they do with the TyTN II but I'm afraid this ain't going to happen.
Currently, the 9502 doesn't have many advantages over the HTC TyTN II but it definetely has the better display and of course the fabulous VGA resolution, the better camera incl. LED(pretty good pictures...for a WM device), it also seems to have a slightly better reception(3G and GSM), the phone audio speaker quality is also a bit better I'd say.
A surprise could be the HSUPA capability of the 9502, I haven't read about it anywhere and I don't know if the TyTN II is capable of it.
Under System Information/Cellular Standards it says:
GPRS/EDGE/WCDMA/HSDPA/HSUPA.
Maybe this is just the general description of the Qualcomm chip capabilities but it is worth mentioning it.

The 9502 needs a couple of improvements in my opinion and I hope they come with an URGENTLY needed ROM update:
1. better RAM management(the unit has 128MB RAM but only aprox. 33MB are available with no third party applications in memory, this is ridiculous)
2. giving the user the choice of installing the i-Q package or not, this saves at least 4-5MB RAM, maybe more
3. the GPS satellite reception needs to be improved, especially the first "fix"
4. video hardware driver support(I still think i-mate did the same crap like HTC)
5. the possibility to specify which applications are to be removed from RAM when we "click them away" (Asus has such an utility, it works pretty well).
6. the battery life indicator needs more accuracy, around 4 pm I had only 60% power left and now at midnight and a couple of conversations over the 9502 later, the battery indicator shows 46%. Very unlikely I guess. So battery life seems to be better than I thought, the crappy battery life indicator confused me.

In my opinion, i-mate could have had the KILLER PDA with the 9502 but they made the wrong choices:
1. they should have used the Marvell PXA310 the i780 is using
2. they should have used a SirfIII GPS chip
3. they should have used a transflective VGA display
4. they should have used the FULL surface of the slider, they gave away at least 10% of the possible size of the display, a pity
5. the upper part of the click thingie with the four arrows below the display(sorry, don't know the right english word for it) is too narrow, I can hardly use it and I have small hands and small fingers. A "virtual" mouse like on the i780 would have been very nice.
6. the 9502 can't be used with fingers instead of the stylus. Especially the phone "dial buttons" are too small, they need to be aprox. 25% larger. I know the 9502 uses a VGA display but the phone dial buttons should have been larger for stylus-free usage.
7. built-in 8GB flash memory would have been nice too
8. some software goodies like VGA video player, YouTube video player, etc. would have been nice too
9. blackberry client

I'm still using the 9502 now but I hate to say this: currently, I like my Blackberry Curve, my Nokia N95 8GB(kick-ass phone, would be almost perfect with a VGA display) and...don't be surprised...the iPhone.

I lately tried the HP 614c and liked it a lot but I'm still waiting for a real kick-ass WM phone and I always thought that HTC is going to deliver it. Looking at Samsung's i780, I suppose the Koreans will offer my dream phone in a year or two. Unless HTC really gets their stuff straight and try to cope with the competition. i-mate I'm afraid has to offer something MUCH MORE special to stay in the game. The 9502 is a very nice WM phone but without a PERFECTLY working ROM and without some ROM cooking support from the XDA community, I'm afraid it isn't a real good choice.

[mike freegan]

The 9502 could be a great device if people would start cooking ROMs for it like they do with the TyTN II but I'm afraid this ain't going to happen.
Currently, the 9502 doesn't have many advantages over the HTC TyTN II but it definetely has the better display and of course the fabulous VGA resolution, the better camera incl. LED(pretty good pictures...for a WM device), it also seems to have a slightly better reception(3G and GSM), the phone audio speaker quality is also a bit better I'd say.
A surprise could be the HSUPA capability of the 9502, I haven't read about it anywhere and I don't know if the TyTN II is capable of it.
Under System Information/Cellular Standards it says:
GPRS/EDGE/WCDMA/HSDPA/HSUPA.
Maybe this is just the general description of the Qualcomm chip capabilities but it is worth mentioning it.

The 9502 needs a couple of improvements in my opinion and I hope they come with an URGENTLY needed ROM update:
1. better RAM management(the unit has 128MB RAM but only aprox. 33MB are available with no third party applications in memory, this is ridiculous)
2. giving the user the choice of installing the i-Q package or not, this saves at least 4-5MB RAM, maybe more
3. the GPS satellite reception needs to be improved, especially the first "fix"
4. video hardware driver support(I still think i-mate did the same crap like HTC)
5. the possibility to specify which applications are to be removed from RAM when we "click them away" (Asus has such an utility, it works pretty well).
6. the battery life indicator needs more accuracy, around 4 pm I had only 60% power left and now at midnight and a couple of conversations over the 9502 later, the battery indicator shows 46%. Very unlikely I guess. So battery life seems to be better than I thought, the crappy battery life indicator confused me.

In my opinion, i-mate could have had the KILLER PDA with the 9502 but they made the wrong choices:
1. they should have used the Marvell PXA310 the i780 is using
2. they should have used a SirfIII GPS chip
3. they should have used a transflective VGA display
4. they should have used the FULL surface of the slider, they gave away at least 10% of the possible size of the display, a pity
5. the upper part of the click thingie with the four arrows below the display(sorry, don't know the right english word for it) is too narrow, I can hardly use it and I have small hands and small fingers. A "virtual" mouse like on the i780 would have been very nice.
6. the 9502 can't be used with fingers instead of the stylus. Especially the phone "dial buttons" are too small, they need to be aprox. 25% larger. I know the 9502 uses a VGA display but the phone dial buttons should have been larger for stylus-free usage.
7. built-in 8GB flash memory would have been nice too
8. some software goodies like VGA video player, YouTube video player, etc. would have been nice too
9. blackberry client

I'm still using the 9502 now but I hate to say this: currently, I like my Blackberry Curve, my Nokia N95 8GB(kick-ass phone, would be almost perfect with a VGA display) and...don't be surprised...the iPhone.

I lately tried the HP 614c and liked it a lot but I'm still waiting for a real kick-ass WM phone and I always thought that HTC is going to deliver it. Looking at Samsung's i780, I suppose the Koreans will offer my dream phone in a year or two. Unless HTC really gets their stuff straight and try to cope with the competition. i-mate I'm afraid has to offer something MUCH MORE special to stay in the game. The 9502 is a very nice WM phone but without a PERFECTLY working ROM and without some ROM cooking support from the XDA community, I'm afraid it isn't a real good choice.

I removed services.ink from the startup folder. Instantly gives 10mb more ram. I also removed the i-mate dialer in the registry. The standard WM onne is much more finger friendly. You can always install the e-ten VGA dialler if you ened bigger still.

The narrow up click arrow is annoying as hell, but I use the scroll wheel anyway, so not too bothersome for me.

Storage memory isn't a problem for me - i-mate have confirmed SDHC support in the near future, and that is cheap as chips.

I did some reading on the coreplayer forum today. Looks like the video drivers are there. Some guy apparently managed to get 1500kbps playback, but only using the standard Windows Media Player, not Coreplayer as that doesn't officially support Qualcomm chips yet. I haven't managed to replicate his results yet, although I have managed reasonable quality VGA playback with DivX :)

[Toast Rack]

Is anybody able to use the "My Location" feature of Google Maps on the 8502 or 9502 with GPS turned off?

For me I just get the error message "Your handset doesn't seem to be compatible with My Location (Beta) feature".

On my old phone (Mio A701 - WM5) it would get an approximate fix from the nearest phone cell tower when you press "0" (zero) or tap Menu/My Location, with GPS turned off. GPS works fine with it, but sometimes I just want a quick approximate fix from the cell network without turning GPS on.

But then again, I'm using the Telstra version of the 8502 - have they disabled it, or is the phone natively incompatible with the feature?

[icecoldcat]

Hey Guys,

Is there a ROM avaliable for the i-Mate Ultimate 9502?

I previously had an i-Mate JasJam & loved Schap's ROMs

The software that comes with the 9502 is no where near as good...

Anyone got any ideas?

Cat...

[netnerd]

Is anybody able to use the "My Location" feature of Google Maps on the 8502 or 9502 with GPS turned off?



it doesnt work on 3G, set phone to GSM if u want to use my location. also people complaining imate getting 1st gps fix takes to long, set it to GSM! after that u can switch back to 3G

[tommymunch]

Sorry yndor,

You are right. I only have OS 6.0. Don't know where I saw 6.1.

[P996]

6.1 for the 9502 would be great, maybe i-mate is clever enough to deliver a 6.1 ROM update inc. bugfixes instead of updating 6.0 only.
Btw: my i780 which I got more than two months ago has a newer WM6 version than the one installed on the 9502. Strange.

[mike freegan]

6.1 for the 9502 would be great, maybe i-mate is clever enough to deliver a 6.1 ROM update inc. bugfixes instead of updating 6.0 only.
Btw: my i780 which I got more than two months ago has a newer WM6 version than the one installed on the 9502. Strange.

The I-Mate was delayed heavily. It was probably the most up to date version when it was originally set for market. Still, you'd have thought they'd have spent that time making a new ROM :S

[mike freegan]

Hey guys. So as much as I love my 9502, the video playback is doing my head in! It plays back qvga video pretty well, but the VGA screen makes it look crappy, and it can't deal with VGA video at all.

It appears that the video drivers are there, but not doing anything :S

I'm going to email i-mate and ask whether this will be improved in the new ROM, and make it clear that SDHC support is very important to users. I guess if a lot of people do this then I-Mate might get their arses in gear and do this properly. I am going to make sure that I mention that a lot of people are holding off buying the device based solely on these issues.

Emai: uksupport@imate.com

**This is my email

Hi I-Mate,

Firstly, congratulations on making a brilliant phone. I get it out of my pocket and I'm always surrounded by people who want to know what it is (a lot of my friends use Sidekicks and are mesmorised by it!). Other than a slight memory leak from the camera software, it's really impressive for a first ROM.

I'm just emailing to confirm a couple of issues - Firstly, will there be a SDHC patch released? This is obviously a massive concern, as the current 2gb max storage is completely insufficent. GPS software alone uses around 1gb, leaving very little space for music, photos and video.

Secondly a lot of people are concerned about the dreadful video playback. I can't get my VGA device to play back VGA resolution video at all, which for a £400 device is unacceptable. One of the main reasons people were interested in the 9502 is as a portable media device thanks to TV connectivity. Everyone was really excied for a device on which we could throw a VGA resolution movies, take to a friend's house and watch on the TV. Now I find that it can't play back movies at anything like the quality of other VGA devices, and even if it could, I don't have enough storage memory to save them!

I'm not sure if this is because of the same video driver issue as the HTC Tytn 2, as people on forums think they have found the video driver DLL in the 9502's file system, but it's a problem that is creating a concensus that the 9502 is not worth buying! It's a shame because other than this, the 9502 is perfect, but without these issues resolved, I couldn't recommend the 9502 to anyone, and it is receiving a lot of bad publicity on the internet from other users with the same opinion. With such a niche market, I'm sure that addressing these issues promptly is a priority for I-mate, especially with the Sony Ericsson X1's release date looming.

Could possibly confirm whether these issues are to be addrssed, and within what timeframe? I honestly think that remedying these problems would dramatically boost sales of the device, simply because it would attract so many annoyed HTC Tytn II users.

Kind regards,

Michael Booth**

[kipmast]

I picked up my 9502 the other day and have to say I'm a little disappointed. The device has alot of potential and the idea of the slide out keyboard/VGA display is what sold me on this. My main issue though was the Keyboard. Was it my unit or do they all have that "Clacking" wobbly/springy action? It was pathetic. The slider action was so soft sprung it was like having a blown shock! I have to admit, I ASSumed it would be a firm slider style similar to the Nokia N95 8GB I have. Wrong! The all aluminum housing is nice but I think I would rather see a lighter shell similar to the HTC soft coatings on most of their devices. I suppose you could get a silicone case for that (if they even make one). The OS worked pretty good and seemed quick. I even disabled the Imate security programs that came with it to free up more memory. No issues there. All in all I returned it due to the fact this was a very expensive phone that I was not 100% happy with. Now the 8502 was another option until I saw it only had a 2megapixel camera?? Cmon Imate get with the times, If your even going to go have camera functionality added to the device, please go no lower than 3+ Megapixel or forget it. Just my personal input.;)

[mackaby007]

I picked up my 9502 the other day and have to say I'm a little disappointed. The device has alot of potential and the idea of the slide out keyboard/VGA display is what sold me on this. My main issue though was the Keyboard. Was it my unit or do they all have that "Clacking" wobbly/springy action? It was pathetic. The slider action was so soft sprung it was like having a blown shock! I have to admit, I ASSumed it would be a firm slider style similar to the Nokia N95 8GB I have. Wrong! The all aluminum housing is nice but I think I would rather see a lighter shell similar to the HTC soft coatings on most of their devices. I suppose you could get a silicone case for that (if they even make one). The OS worked pretty good and seemed quick. I even disabled the Imate security programs that came with it to free up more memory. No issues there. All in all I returned it due to the fact this was a very expensive phone that I was not 100% happy with. Now the 8502 was another option until I saw it only had a 2megapixel camera?? Cmon Imate get with the times, If your even going to go have camera functionality added to the device, please go no lower than 3+ Megapixel or forget it. Just my personal input.;)

sorry to hear your dissapointed with your 9502. I got me 6150 and whilst I must admit that the ROM leaves much to be desired, it also has a lot of potential. Fir t thing need
d is a working patch to give us all the SDHC compatiBility these devices so desperately need, and a more stable ROM. That said though, I think these devices will become killer devices once theses issues have been resolved by i-mate.

[kipmast]

sorry to hear your dissapointed with your 9502. I got me 6150 and whilst I must admit that the ROM leaves much to be desired, it also has a lot of potential. Fir t thing need
d is a working patch to give us all the SDHC compatiBility these devices so desperately need, and a more stable ROM. That said though, I think these devices will become killer devices once theses issues have been resolved by i-mate.

Yeah, Im trying to part with HTC myself. The other thing I failed to mention was the SDHC what gives? that should be a standard these days. this is another thing I assumed they would have standard.

[mike freegan]

I keep hearing this about the slider. I really like it! In fact I like everything about this device except the SDHC and video driver issues. Please, if you have it (or even if you don't :P) email I-Mate and let them know that you want them. Until the new E-Tens or the Xperia X1 come out this is the only deivce that really meets my needs, and its a shame to have it tarnished by these minor issues.

[kipmast]

I keep hearing this about the slider. I really like it! In fact I like everything about this device except the SDHC and video driver issues. Please, if you have it (or even if you don't :P) email I-Mate and let them know that you want them. Until the new E-Tens or the Xperia X1 come out this is the only deivce that really meets my needs, and its a shame to have it tarnished by these minor issues.

Sorry to tarnish the 9502 but the sliding keyboard was really bad. In fact there was about 1/8" of lateral wobble when closed. An example on how loose it was= If I shook my hand, I could open the keyboard (along with hearing the metallic "Clack") To me this was pretty bad.
I will let Imate know. The rest of the device is fine and still is desirable (that's why I bought it in the first place) If my unit was just a one-off defect I would be open to getting another one for sure...:)

[netnerd]

Until the new E-Tens or the Xperia X1 come out this is the only deivce that really meets my needs, and its a shame to have it tarnished by these minor issues.

u wont believe how many Imate bashing going on! if 9502 has a HTC stamp on it, htc fanboys is all over this thing!
look at HTC diamond, htc fanboys is all over it! pumping and hyping about HTC diamond! HTC diamond got 2.8" VGA! wow!
Eten and Imate have 2.8" VGA for almost half a year! where is the hypes on Imate? haha

[kipmast]

Regarding HTC Fanboys: As far as my rants go concerning the 9502 I have nothing positive to say about HTC these days. They totally blew my loyalty when they decided not to do anything about the TyTnII/Cruise Video Driver saga. I understand why they chose not to do anything but I don't agree with it. By not purchasing any more HTC products is my way of saying "Take a Hike". Imate on the other hand has alot of potential. I can't say they are better than HTC or not. Their will always be something to complain about though, in any Brand/Model of device. Our devices have come so far in advancement we just want it all and want it right now. Especially for the prices we are paying.:D

[maevro]

http://7.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/1785/178550758bcbe301562f5181f254d3af98e1e93.jpg

For me, the keyboard is too cramped. On the 8502, the keyboard design is a major flaw too.

[mike freegan]

I come from a Sony Ericsson P990, so the cramped keyboard seems big to me now :P

Interestingly, I had a go on a friend's Wizard today (my old phone). Although the 9502 keys are smaller making touch typing pretty much impossible, the fact that they don't go right up to the edge makes the end keys of each line much easier to reach with my thumbs. Simply for this reason I think I can type quicker on this than any of my previous qwerty devices.

HTC lost me as a fan when the stylus came loose and the paint flaked off all 4 HTC devices that I have owned. For this reason, they're generally referred to as 'High Tech Crap' in the industry. To give them some credit though, the Kaiser does look of much higher build quality, and their software seems a lot better now. If the Kaiser had a flash on the camera, video drivers and a VGA screen it would likely be my device of choice.

I'm yet to decide if the 9502 is of better quality. Its looks have definately grown on me (it looks much better in person than in the photos), and nothing has come loose yet which is a good thing :)

[P996]

The 9502 started to annoy me more and more and I explain why:

1. the ROM isn't really stable I think. Sometimes the device gets very slow, I have to make a soft reset to bring everything back to normal. It may have to do with my installed programs but anyway...never had a similar problem with the same programs on the i780 or TyTN II.

2. the missing SDHC support is ridiculous, I won't even start to comment because we're having May 2008, SDHC support should be something very common.

3. the GPS seems to have similar problems like the i780 has. I tried to use GPS Tuner(latest version) and it doesn't work, only if I'm using a port splitter like GPS Gate. Google Maps works but apparently no other GPS program...unless GPS Gate runs on your 9502.
This wouldn't really be a problem but apparently GPS Gate doesn't run stable on the 9502(maybe issues with the VGA resolution?). Whenever I installed GPS Gate, trouble was waiting around the corner, I had to hardreset the 9502 two times because of that.
The most annoying incident was when everything seemed to work fine but after two(!) days of using the 9502 and not doing anything new(installing, etc.), the 9502 suddenly slowed down a lot and I had to initiate a soft reset. After the soft reset, the device got stuck in the blue i-mate boot screen, so I had to remove the battery and hardreset it.

4. the 9502 is heavy and I just realized that after using my Nokia N95 8GB for half a day yesterday. The metal casing is surely a nice quality feature but add the somehow slightly bulky design and it feels worse in your hand than the Nokia E90.

5. the position of the ON/OFF button is horribly bad. It should be on the opposite side(to the rear), so you can easily use it to turn the screen on and off. The current position makes it very difficult to use this button with one hand one, very annoying. I have small hands, so maybe this is the problem.

6. the display turns off too fast and I don't seem to find a setting to change this. Sometimes tapping on the display makes it start again, sometimes I need to shortly press the ON/OFF button. This is strange. It would also be much better if when the display is off, tapping on it once would NOT start the application on the part of the display you just tapped to.

My personal conclusion: although the 9502 looks better than the HTC TyTN II and although the VGA display of the 9502 is a real treat, I think that the TyTN II could be the better choice for most people. Not because it is superiror to the 9502, hardware-wise, but because there are dozends of cooked ROMs already available, some of them being very nice and providing a huge performance gain compared to the original TyTN II ROM.
Without ROM cooking, the 9502 is kind of lame and not attractive enough.

That said, I slightly regret that I spent over 600 EUR for the 9502. This is a lot of money, the same money which would get you a HTC TyTN II or better...a Nokia E90 or N95 8GB.
Comparing the Samsung i780 to the 9502, the i780 seems to be the best Pocket PC offer on the market right now. I paid 450 EUR for my i780 more than two months ago, compared to the 9502 this is a bargain, especially since Samsung did a REALLY good job on the i780.

I'm not sure what i-mate is up to but if they don't deliver an updated ROM soon, the 9502 will soon be forgotten. Regarding ROM cooking, I highly doubt that we 9502 will be lucky enough to find some people starting to cook 9502 ROMs. This ain't gonna happen I'm afraid.

So like it or not but the new HTC Diamond may(MAY!) be the better choice, unfortunately it seems to run on a Qualcomm CPU too, so maybe we should not put our hopes too much up.
4.

[mike freegan]

I agree with a lot of that. I despised the power button at first, but now I'm used to it I guess. The weight doesn't bother me at all either. So long as I can lift it to my ear, I'm happy :P

I'm not sure about ROM cooking really. I don't think it'll happen until I-Mate release a few more ROMs anyway.

But as you said, the SDHC (and video drivers) are both ridiculous issues for such an expensive toy. Time is of the essence for I-Mate to fix this before the 9502 becomes old news. The only way I can see this happening is bombarding them with emails before they start focus their efforts on new products like what has happened to the poor Tytn II users.

[maevro]

They are very aware of the MicroSD issues but they don't have an ETA for a fix/patch. The same things are happening with the 6150, 8150 and 8502 so it is in their best interest to take care of it ASAP.

If anyone ever wants me to say anything to the higher ups at I-Mate, just let me know. I email
their US rep all the time and provide and receive feedback from him. I am one of the authorized I-Mate dealers listed on I-Mates website.

There is a lot riding on the success of these 4 phones. You would think that they want to get it right.

[netnerd]

1. the ROM isn't really stable I think. Sometimes the device gets very slow, I have to make a soft reset to bring everything back to normal. It may have to do with my installed programs but anyway...never had a similar problem with the same programs on the i780 or TyTN II.

3. the GPS seems to have similar problems like the i780 has. I tried to use GPS Tuner(latest version) and it doesn't work, only if I'm using a port splitter like GPS Gate. Google Maps works but apparently no other GPS program...unless GPS Gate runs on your 9502.
This wouldn't really be a problem but apparently GPS Gate doesn't run stable on the 9502(maybe issues with the VGA resolution?). Whenever I installed GPS Gate, trouble was waiting around the corner, I had to hardreset the 9502 two times

device running slow, maybe u have too many programs running in background. I use spb pocket plus, when u click on X, it closes the program instead of running.
did u also remove all those junks from startup folder?
I have no problems with GPSgate, it' very stable! did u set input to "WM GPS" instead of com 9?

[mike freegan]

They are very aware of the MicroSD issues but they don't have an ETA for a fix/patch. The same things are happening with the 6150, 8150 and 8502 so it is in their best interest to take care of it ASAP.

If anyone ever wants me to say anything to the higher ups at I-Mate, just let me know. I email
their US rep all the time and provide and receive feedback from him. I am one of the authorized I-Mate dealers listed on I-Mates website.

There is a lot riding on the success of these 4 phones. You would think that they want to get it right.

If they're already working hard on the SD thing already, then just passing on the message of the crappy video performance thing would be amazing. Such a massive deal was made of the screen resolution and TV-out capabilities of the 9502, to find that it can't play video worthy of either is a massive let-down.

It is almost impossible to find a thread on the 9502 that doesn't end in "no-one will pay £400 for this because it has the same video problems as the Tytn II", so it will obviously massively affect sales.

Examples:

http://www.corecodec.com/forums/index.php?topic=940.msg5624#msg5624

http://forums.imate.com/MSM7200_video_drivers/m_1827/tm.htm

http://www.modaco.com/content-page/267992/the-official-i-mate-9502-ask-paul-thread/page/20/

etc etc.

[dbond45]

hi all
just got my 9502 a few days ago from clove. a great device, but one huge issue. the sliding screen is wobbly as hell when its extended. if you gently shake the unit with keyboard exposed, the screen jiggles back and forth like the screws haven't been tightened enough. its really, really annoying. at this point I think my unit is defective, and am going to arrange for an exchange..

can anyone please let me know how tight/loose their screen feels when extended?

many thanks....

dbond

[mike freegan]

Is this the problem with the screen everyone has been describing? Mine doesn't move any more than I'd expect of a spring loaded mechanism. It doesn't move at all really other than up and down the runners a bit.

If I shake it really hard, I can open and close the screen without touching it, but to be honest, I don't plan on shaking my £400 toy that hard very often :P

[kipmast]

hi all
just got my 9502 a few days ago from clove. a great device, but one huge issue. the sliding screen is wobbly as hell when its extended. if you gently shake the unit with keyboard exposed, the screen jiggles back and forth like the screws haven't been tightened enough. its really, really annoying. at this point I think my unit is defective, and am going to arrange for an exchange..

can anyone please let me know how tight/loose their screen feels when extended?

many thanks....

dbond

This is exactly what I said a few posts back. This is the main reason I returned it.

[dbond45]

This is exactly what I said a few posts back. This is the main reason I returned it.

Just to make sure, did yours move laterally side-to-side, or back and forth. Mine does not wiggle side to side, but, when opened, the screen rattles forward and backward, in essence, the screen hits the back of the phone, then bouces back up, etc, like it hasn't been tightened enough...

Any thoughts...

[netnerd]

Just to make sure, did yours move laterally side-to-side, or back and forth. Mine does not wiggle side to side, but, when opened, the screen rattles forward and backward, in essence, the screen hits the back of the phone, then bouces back up, etc, like it hasn't been tightened enough...

Any thoughts...


can you do a youtube video so i can compare to mine? i believe i dont have this problem on mine.

[kipmast]

Mine had alot of wobble side to side when closed. Maybe mine was just a defect???

[dawsonas]

I got my Imate 9502 2 days ago from Clove. Excellent service and delivery times. Left on Friday from there warehouse in England, arrived Monday in the US.
I absolutely love it.
I replaced the Jasjar (Universal) after a long 2 1/2 years.

Pros:
It is faster than the old model, thinner, lighter. Battery lasts a lot longer.
Windows mobile 6.1
3 MP camera takes much better pics than older cam.
Battery casing is real metal, not cheap plastic.
Soft reset is right above keyboard, easy access.
A lot of buttons with the keyboard closed.
GPS, haven't used yet.

Cons: smaller screen, smaller keyboard (less keys and much smaller). Miss the double speakers.

Overall impression:
Have to get used to slider vs clamshell and smaller keyboard. I enter data a lot so I have to learn to use this keyboard.
No more brick in my pocket. I can actually hold the phone to my ear without getting unusual stares.
Definitely recommend.

This doesn't have WinMo 6.1 it has WinMo 6 Pro with Mobile Office 6.1

[P996]

A little sidenote: I used the benchmark from the latest SKTools to measure the performance of the 9502 compared to the i780 performance.
CPU performance is around 50% higher with the i780.
GPU performance is around 100% higher with the i780.

I don't understand why HTC and i-mate are sticking with Qualcomm, honestly.
Maybe it has something to do with production cost but Qualcomm started to ruin
the reputation of HTC, the TyTN II is a very good example.

The i780 would be perfect if it would have the Qbwl form factor incl. a VGA screen.
I really don't know what to use, the i780 is very fast but I like the keyboard and display of the 9502 much more. I also still use the TyTN II because of Dutty's fabulous WM 6.1 ROM.

So yes, I'm looking for a 9502 with i780 performance and Dutty's WM 6.1 ROM. ;)

[zohaer21]

I would also love it if XDA-Dev got a 9502 forum.

The phone looks perfect! I actually sold my bnib Voda V1615 / tytn II upgrade to get some cash for it!

However, being Windows Mobile it will doubtlessly be utterly useless without the XDA-Dev geniuses to iron out all the creases.

I don't see why it can't go in here. It's replaced HTC as the XDAs in the southern hemisphere (i-mate's smartphone range).

I don't see why people are so keen to keep the forum exclusively for High Tech Crap anyway. Until the Wizards they've always been terrible (of course I still loved tweaking with them with the help of XDA-Dev).

i dont think there will be a separate forum space for imate 9502 and rightly so
1)its not a very popular phone as compared to other NON htc phones like samsung i780
2)its more expansive than most HTC phones and hence even fewer members have it
3)no one really cares about imate any more ! they suck!

[mike freegan]

Well technically Qualcomm CPU's are brilliant. The HTC P6500 uses it and got GPU results 10x those of the TYTN II!! The real question is, why do HTC/I-Mate keep using them if they're not going to bother making video drivers to utilize it?

And yes, it does appear your clacking screen was faulty. Mine doesn't move in the way you described at all.

[NuShrike]

The 9502 started to annoy me more and more and I explain why:

3. the GPS seems to have similar problems like the i780 has. I tried to use GPS Tuner(latest version) and it doesn't work, only if I'm using a port splitter like GPS Gate. Google Maps works but apparently no other GPS program...unless GPS Gate runs on your 9502.This is most likely a WM 6.0 problem. It was never really stable until 6.1 for the Kaiser either when running Navizon. Google Maps is smart enough to use the post WM 5.x GPS Immediate Driver/COM4 which acts like GPS Gate/Proxy.

What is your GPS default speed settings and what GPS apps are you using? Try setting your GPS apps to use double the speed settings of the GPS control panel app (if default 4800, set Garmin to 9600bps).


6. the display turns off too fast and I don't seem to find a setting to change this. Sometimes tapping on the display makes it start again, sometimes I need to shortly press the ON/OFF button. This is strange. It would also be much better if when the display is off, tapping on it once would NOT start the application on the part of the display you just tapped to.Isn't this just setting the length of time (in the Power control panel) for when the screen will turn off? There's also a registry setting to adjust when the phone is on a call because it turns off faster than the Power setting.

Meantime, anybody interested in dumping the ROM, or grabbing copies of DDI.dll, wce_rex.dll, etc out of the 9502 so I can take a look for the Kaiser ahi2dati.dll porting effort? Thanks.

[netnerd]

how about cooking a WM6.1 for imate 9502 based on kaiser?

[Menneisyys]

A little sidenote: I used the benchmark from the latest SKTools to measure the performance of the 9502 compared to the i780 performance.
CPU performance is around 50% higher with the i780.
GPU performance is around 100% higher with the i780.

I don't understand why HTC and i-mate are sticking with Qualcomm, honestly.
Maybe it has something to do with production cost but Qualcomm started to ruin
the reputation of HTC, the TyTN II is a very good example.

The i780 would be perfect if it would have the Qbwl form factor incl. a VGA screen.
I really don't know what to use, the i780 is very fast but I like the keyboard and display of the 9502 much more. I also still use the TyTN II because of Dutty's fabulous WM 6.1 ROM.

So yes, I'm looking for a 9502 with i780 performance and Dutty's WM 6.1 ROM. ;)


Benchmarks are - particularly GPU benchmarks -, in general, pretty meaningless on Windows Mobile. Qualcomm CPU's aren't THAT bad.

In addition, as has also been pointed out in my latest iPAQ 210 review and Misc news collection, the Marvel Xscale PXA3x0 series isn't particularly good in the power consumption dept.

[mike freegan]

Meantime, anybody interested in dumping the ROM, or grabbing copies of DDI.dll, wce_rex.dll, etc out of the 9502 so I can take a look for the Kaiser ahi2dati.dll porting effort? Thanks.

itd been a long time since iv done anything rom related but im happy to do this if u link me to some instructions.

warning tho; th ahi2dati.dll is present in the 9502 but doesn't seem to do much - graphic performance is terrble.

[mav42]

Hmmm here is something that may or may not be of interest..:
Seems the Imate 9502 uses the Nvidia graphics chipset,I was told this twice by 2 diff techs from Imate, and they are aware of a driver issue with the Qualcomm chipset,I was also told that THERE will be fix within the month..
but then again HTC did say something along those lines 4 months ago regarding the Kaiser

[mike freegan]

Hmmm here is something that may or may not be of interest..:
Seems the Imate 9502 uses the Nvidia graphics chipset,I was told this twice by 2 diff techs from Imate, and they are aware of a driver issue with the Qualcomm chipset,I was also told that THERE will be fix within the month..
but then again HTC did say something along those lines 4 months ago regarding the Kaiser

now that sounds promising. the thing is, HTC are flourishing and have loadsa contracts with networks whereas this is make or break time for I-mate. they can't afford for people not to buy these latest devices.

[ixman]

Hi,

I'm also an owner of i-mate 9502 and yes, I'm also disappointed by the lack of free RAM and the up button and the fact that even the battery is huge the device only lasts for 2 days moderate use. The i-go 2008 is not working the Tomtom is OK... Video playback is terrible just like the HTC Polaris... I have also an iPAQ 214 with the PXA 310 and good video drivers and you should see the videos played unmodified from the PC to the Pocket... quite impressive... just copy and paste your movie...
The I-mate looks very good but is heavy like hell... but I like the keyboard...

I'm waiting for a ROM upgrade and hopefully a cooked ROM from the forum hackers...

[notisz]

Im very happy that i gave my polaris and sedna for the imate. I think its a much better device and i hope with the help of the brilliant cookers of our beloved site we will soon have a rom solving our problems

[wssherbiny]

I would also love it if XDA-Dev got a 9502 forum.

[Raspster]

Same here....

[sx1-doc]

all the devices is produced by Arima it has problems with MicroSDHC,all imate ultimate series and xda flame .... i dont understand how come a company like MWG ,IMATE or Arima didnt fined a solution yet (hardware drivers conflict while using sdhc ) .

seem that Arima has real problems with sdhc.

[samy.3660]

For Imate 9502 forum visit aboutfone.com (http://www.aboutfone.com/viewforum.php?f=32&sid=95a01876afeb2984bcf4208cc335e64c)

[keywong]

Please open a 9502 forum, thanks

[cushcalc]

For Imate 9502 forum visit aboutfone.com (http://www.aboutfone.com/viewforum.php?f=32&sid=95a01876afeb2984bcf4208cc335e64c)

aboutfone.com is no help whatsoever - there are no posts in any of the forums for any manufacturer!

[sx1-doc]

Please open a 9502 forum, thanks
here is the best ultimate forum
http://www.ultimates.biz

[samy.3660]

aboutfone.com is no help whatsoever - there are no posts in any of the forums for any manufacturer!

Actually its just a startup community. We need to go there and post information.

[mike freegan]

Hardly anyone is using those forums though :/ Not very helpful. I really hope I-Mate get their arse in gear with these video drivers though, otherwise I may only keep it until SE X1 comes out, OR might even sack it off and get a Toshiba Portege G910 (already out).

[netnerd]

I may only keep it until SE X1 comes out, OR might even sack it off and get a Toshiba Portege G910 (already out).

of course, i going to upgrade to Sony X1. X1 got 3" WVGA 800x480 compare to the rest with only 2.8" VGA 640x480!

[apd]

Has anyone got CoPilot Live 7 working? TomTonm works perfectly but COL7 doesn't get a fix, even with GPS Gate on (and reporting a fix).

[notisz]

Igo 8 works with gpsgate also

[hchickers]

It should.

Hi

Sounds good, how ? I have tried it on the 8502 w/ no results, the device doesn't get a PIN. Any clues/hacks etc. ? It would be highly appreciated. Nice phone though it would be a pity to not support BBC...

Thanks,
HC

[NuShrike]

itd been a long time since iv done anything rom related but im happy to do this if u link me to some instructions.

warning tho; th ahi2dati.dll is present in the 9502 but doesn't seem to do much - graphic performance is terrble.

I just noticed the wce_rex.dll from the KS20 is entirely unoptimized, as in it's the DEBUG version. Heheh.. I wonder how these companies can be shipping out code as such. Maybe it explains the lag.

Anyways, these are the instructions for dumping the Kaiser rom.. Maybe it can help you help me. Thanks!:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334680

[Ineedtoys]

Hardly anyone is using those forums though :/ Not very helpful. I really hope I-Mate get their arse in gear with these video drivers though, otherwise I may only keep it until SE X1 comes out, OR might even sack it off and get a Toshiba Portege G910 (already out).
Don't go anywhere the Tosh. You will seriously regret it. Check out the feedback at Expansys and MyG900.com for comments from those who have been burned already.

[mike freegan]

Don't go anywhere the Tosh. You will seriously regret it. Check out the feedback at Expansys and MyG900.com for comments from those who have been burned already.

Oh, I'm fully aware of the G900 problems, one of my best friends has it. I will wait until some G910 reviews appear before buying. Hopefully it'll have the MSM7200 drivers!

He has managed to tweak his G900 into working perfectly though. Even without video drivers it manages to play VGA video and accept SDHC memory cards.

EDIT: You're right - it looks shockingly bad. If I-Mate don't sort out SDHC and video drivers soon I'm afraid I'm going to get an X1 in a few months.

[sx1-doc]

same for xda flame users and imates users there is no proper video driver or sdhc driver or stable os,in other word Arima sucks (the manufacturer of those devices) .
so i dont know who to blame more Arima or Imate and MWG or NVidia and Qualcomm.

anyway we have devices with big hardware potential,but big software problems.

[Raspster]

device running slow, maybe u have too many programs running in background. I use spb pocket plus, when u click on X, it closes the program instead of running.
did u also remove all those junks from startup folder?
I have no problems with GPSgate, it' very stable! did u set input to "WM GPS" instead of com 9?

Question, whichjunk is safe to remove from start-up? I only took out the imate service file in there.

[netnerd]

remove everything there!

[mike freegan]

Sorry to keep bumping this thread, but it seems to be the only place on the net where people are discussing the ins and outs of the 9502 in any detail.

I just wanted to remind people that emailing I-Mate for graphics drivers and SDHC support and a WM6.1 ROM relentlessly is the only way that I can see a solution to this problem.

[NuShrike]

Sorry to keep bumping this thread, but it seems to be the only place on the net where people are discussing the ins and outs of the 9502 in any detail.So any chance you can dump the 9502 rom for me if you have time? I posted the instructions of how it works for the Kaiser a few posts back. There's some instructions on how to adapt it for other devices at the end of the thread.

[Raspster]

I was able to get everything out of startup except: CS which is the screen orintation when you slide out the keyboard, imate config which controls some of the hard buttons like the email button if you care about that, & poutlook. All others were taken out which gave me about 8 more MB in total. Also if you tweak the REG to disable the phone dialer skin, that will save you like 4mb as well. My RAM after soft reset is now: 42mb free with all my crap installed which is ALOT of crap! :) Good enough for me!

[mike freegan]

So any chance you can dump the 9502 rom for me if you have time? I posted the instructions of how it works for the Kaiser a few posts back. There's some instructions on how to adapt it for other devices at the end of the thread.

I'll give it a shot when I get home tomorrow. Is there any chance of bricking my device?

Also, what do you plan on doing with it when ripped? As I said, the graphic drivers seem to do nothing.

[NuShrike]

I'll give it a shot when I get home tomorrow. Is there any chance of bricking my device?

Also, what do you plan on doing with it when ripped? As I said, the graphic drivers seem to do nothing.I think when you dump, you're just pulling files off it, and not pushing.

As for what am I doing, just pushing files together to understand how all the vendors are getting their drivers to work, and who is skimping and where. Like it looks like ahi2dati.dll (ATI 2d graphics calls) is starting to show up on all Qualcomm 72xx devices now.. and it seems to vary how much of the native DDI.dll drivers are actually set up to call into it.

[rodney]

I was able to get everything out of startup except: CS which is the screen orintation when you slide out the keyboard, imate config which controls some of the hard buttons like the email button if you care about that, & poutlook. All others were taken out which gave me about 8 more MB in total. Also if you tweak the REG to disable the phone dialer skin, that will save you like 4mb as well. My RAM after soft reset is now: 42mb free with all my crap installed which is ALOT of crap! :) Good enough for me!

Can you by chance post the exact REG key you've edited to disable the phone dialer skin (I tried searching the registry but couldn't seem to find it).

Thanks :)

[iggii]

OK, so it looks WM 6.1 for TytnII might be ready. If HTC gives this to their users
and I-mate will not, lets think about their quality...

http://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-professional-news/268599/the-htc-kaiser-6-1-performance-update-is-here/

[netnerd]

Can you by chance post the exact REG key you've edited to disable the phone dialer skin (I tried searching the registry but couldn't seem to find it).

Thanks :)

fit4cat can disable phone skin. for some reasons Imate 9502 is the only phone that i used when you press against the face, it either turn on speaker, or pressed the hang up botton!

[Raspster]

Here you go:


HKLM, SECURITY, PHONE, SKIN, and change the Enabled to '0' instead of '1' to enable. Save, then soft-reset. The default WM6.0 dialer will be used. Also, I read somewhere that the ETEN VGA video dialer skin will work with the 9502 and I have the CAB but every time I try to install it, it gives me an error and then it deletes the 'PHONE' line under the REG line I just mentioned and I must re-enter the lines by hand.... Stupid... Anyway, the ETEN video dialer is ALOT better than the IMATE one. If anyone can get it running on the 9502, kudo's to you then and please share... :)

[mike freegan]

I tried it, and couldn't get it to display properly in vga (I did use the vga version). Now I can't get video calls to work on my 9502 at all. Like the video call app doesn't exist.

[Raspster]

hmmm, not sure why... Its set in mine at VGA by default. If you go back in the reg edit and put back the '1' under enable and soft reset, you will go back to dialer with video calling again as it was before. unless you are referring to the ETEN app for VGA video calling. If you did install that app, chances are you incountered the same problem I did. You need to go back into reg edit as far as security then phone, you will see the SKIN folder missing, ad that with the old reg settings from before, it will stick and allow you to use again. I got scared too when I tried to install the ETEN app. It takes out some reg settings when you try to install.

[ginloin]

I tried it, and couldn't get it to display properly in vga (I did use the vga version). Now I can't get video calls to work on my 9502 at all. Like the video call app doesn't exist.

I have an 8502, and I read that video calling is a skin dependent thing, so I imagine for the 9502 it's the same. i.e. no operator skin = no video calls. I've found with the 8502 it also disables the intelligent Fn key, so any time you want numbers you have to hold the Fn key (rather than it knowing when numbers are required). So for example, I use a simple PIN lock for my phone. With the skin enabled, it knows that this field can only be numbers so I don't have to hold down the Fn key to unlock it. With the skin disabled, I do have to hold Fn to get numbers, which on the 8502 make one handed unlocking impossible. It has other implications too, like when searching the address book and so on. It won't match numbers unless you hold Fn, and then it will only match the numbers, not the corresponding letters.

Kind of a bummer - it's a really bloated skin. Frees up a stack of space without it, but on balance, I've opted to keep it enabled rather than lose those functions. Would prefer to operate without it though.

[mr_flibble]

Dunno if i should post this here or in the VOIP forum, anyway...

I have installed MajikVOIP, VOIPDrivers and SetupVoip_v0.3. Can connect to SIP no problems, but can't hear properly. The person on the other end of the call can hear me perfectly, but i can't make out what they're saying, it's crackly and inaudible.

I also install Pockec Express Talk. This works fine in the other direction, i can hear crystal clear, but to the person on the other end of the line my voice sounds very compressed and "wobbly", hard to make out what i'm saying.

Issue exists with connecting to local asterix and voipbuster. Any ideas? Haven't found anybody else with this problem, perhaps the Telstra rom in the 9502 has something funny that messes up VOIP.

[bommel0815]

well, compared to the preliminary Touch Diamond results, the ultimate does pretty well!

solopalmari (http://www.solopalmari.com/content/view/4985/298/1/3/)

the Touch Diamond scores 1390, while the ultimate scores 1864 (see post 71 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2156582&postcount=71))
Done. SPB Benchmark Graphics results attached. I don't really understand them, so if anyone could let me know how good/bad they are it'd be nice.

[Peter Bruderlin]

How about a forum for the i-Mate Ultimates (or in particular the 9502)?

This site is called XDA-Developers. Does that mean you (I should say 'we' because I'd like to think that as a member I have a stake in it) are limited to XDA? No. We cater to XDA, IMate, HP, Dopod, HTC...

And if there is any focus we DO have, any common thread through the posts here, it's that we are concerned with Windows Mobile devices. The issues are about things like SDHC support, or proper h/w accelerated driver support, or ROM cooking, or WM versions. These are about Windows Mobile Devices, and affect all Windows Mobile Devices.

Did someone mention HTC only? Where did that come from? Is the site called HTC-Developers? No.
Do HTC pay the bills? (Actually that's something I would like to know. If yes, then fine, and you can disregard this post.) But if no, then why such commitment to a particular manufacturer?

If you doubt whether people would use a 9502 forum, look back through this General forum. There are hardly any posts in it that aren't about the 9502, or at least i-Mate's Ultimates. It appears to me that a lot of members want a forum for the Ultimates.

Come on guys, can we please have a 9502 (or Ultimate) forum? Please?

[NiTeSHiFT]

Well, I'm still waiting for the iMate 7150 which they announced more than a year ago and which is still on their site (which they obviously forgot about, as they still say: coming mid 2007 ;-)

http://www.imate-ultimate.com/ult7150.htm

I wonder why they released such a device as the 9502. There are too many simmilar devices on the market, but no actual one which is like HTC Universal / MDA Pro / QTEK 9000 and so on. That would have been the 7150. They just needed to add GPS and voila.

Nevertheless, iMate devices aren't HTC or "XDA"-branded Devices and so they have nothing to do with this site...

[Peter Bruderlin]

NiTeSHiFT said:
"Nevertheless, iMate devices aren't HTC or "XDA"-branded Devices and so they have nothing to do with this site..."

Actually *most* iMate devices *are* HTC. (eg PDA2K, JasJar, JasJam)
And some XDA devices are *not* HTC. (eg O2 XDA Atom, Atom Life, XDA Flame? not sure)
And many HTC devices are not XDA. Yet they are somehow relevent to this site that is called XDA-Developers.
See how the brand or manufacturer is so irrelevent?
The important point is that the focus is Windows Mobile devices. That should include any O2, HP, Dopod, iMate, SE...so long as it is Windows Mobile.

And you seem keen to discuss two of the iMate Ultimates. Perhaps you would agree that we need a forum to discuss them in?

[netnerd]

Well, I'm still waiting for the iMate 7150 which they announced more than a year ago and which is still on their site (which they obviously forgot about, as they still say: coming mid 2007 ;-)


I have lost all interests in 7150 after the Sony X1 announcement. y would u want to get 640x480 on 7150 when u can get 800x480 on X1

[cushcalc]

I have lost all interests in 7150 after the Sony X1 announcement. y would u want to get 640x480 on 7150 when u can get 800x480 on X1

Because 800x480 is a non-standard size - some applications and many games may not display properly.

[bommel0815]

if you think 800x480 is the deal then why haven't you gotten a toshiba a year ago?

besides that, you realize that the X1 800x480 3" screen is physically more narrow than the 2.8" 640x480 screens, do you? so while they are nice in many regards, they have drawbacks too.

[netnerd]

if you think 800x480 is the deal then why haven't you gotten a toshiba a year ago?

besides that, you realize that the X1 800x480 3" screen is physically more narrow than the 2.8" 640x480 screens, do you? so while they are nice in many regards, they have drawbacks too.


y i havnt gotten a Toshiba? cus those idiots forgot to put USA 3.5G on it! i will not buy anything without USA 3.5G!
how is 800x480 narrowER than 640x480?
both width is 480! but 3" X1 just use the extra .2 inch for the extra 160 pixel compare to 640 at 2.8" !

[netnerd]

Because 800x480 is a non-standard size - some applications and many games may not display properly.

funny! i have a 22" monitor at home with 1680x1050 resolution! i have no problems running any programs or games on it!

[mike freegan]

y i havnt gotten a Toshiba? cus those idiots forgot to put USA 3.5G on it! i will not buy anything without USA 3.5G!
how is 800x480 narrowER than 640x480?
both width is 480! but 3" X1 just use the extra .2 inch for the extra 160 pixel compare to 640 at 2.8" !

A good friend of mine has a Toshiba G900. The screen is considerably narrower. It is much longer, which gives the extra .2", but loses a fair bit of width.

And yes, most apps don't run on it without real trouble. It's hard enough to find apps that run properly on VGA, never mind WVGA. There is a solution though. My friend has an app that effectively disables the bottom few pixels to make it VGA so that things like TomTom can run on it. He has also modded the app so that he has an option to stretch VGA apps to WVGA, but it makes them look a bit funny.

[bommel0815]

funny! i have a 22" monitor at home with 1680x1050 resolution! i have no problems running any programs or games on it!

what you obviously don't know is that desktop applications are designed to work with different resolutions. Windows mobile apps often don't.
If they are developed with different resolutions in mind, and adhere to the according MS coding guidelines, they work. But most applications are designed for 320x240, because this is what most ppc have. They usually also work on 640x480 screens, because they just get stretched (1 pixel becomes 4). But some apps don't even support this.

next is games. As most graphics are handdrawn, they are often drawn for 320x240 screens. On VGA screens they get stretched, on anything else they dont work at all. That, and they become much slower on the high res screens.

[netnerd]

what you obviously don't know is that desktop applications are designed to work with different resolutions. Windows mobile apps often don't.
If they are developed with different resolutions in mind, and adhere to the according MS coding guidelines, they work. But most applications are designed for 320x240, because this is what most ppc have. They usually also work on 640x480 screens, because they just get stretched (1 pixel becomes 4). But some apps don't even support this.

next is games. As most graphics are handdrawn, they are often drawn for 320x240 screens. On VGA screens they get stretched, on anything else they dont work at all. That, and they become much slower on the high res screens.

what you obviously dont know is not everybody play games on pdaPhone! if i want to play games, i get a Nintendo DS!
i mostly use my pdaPhone for phone calls, internet, emails, remote desktop!
800x480 compares to 640x480, seeing more is always better! less scrolling!

[samy.3660]

Can somebody upload the current base rom for 9502

[mike freegan]

Can somebody upload the current base rom for 9502

I will if someone can provide basic instructions. I don't have time right now to trawl through the wiki.

[samy.3660]

I will if someone can provide basic instructions. I don't have time right now to trawl through the wiki.

There is a program but i do not remember it now, i will search for it and will tell??

[netnerd]

better idea is..
can some1 cook WM6.1 for 9502?

[samy.3660]

Ok got it Just go HERE (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=238945) and read the instruction all you need is memory card.
Please upload...

[mike freegan]

Ok got it Just go HERE (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=238945) and read the instruction all you need is memory card.
Please upload...

Man, I remember that thread! It was when someone found a WM5 BlueAngel at an exhibition if I'm not mistaken. That was epic.

OK, now I need a card big enough to grab my ROM - I've been holding off buying a memory card until the SDHC patch comes out.

[bommel0815]

what you obviously dont know is not everybody play games on pdaPhone! if i want to play games, i get a Nintendo DS!
i mostly use my pdaPhone for phone calls, internet, emails, remote desktop!
800x480 compares to 640x480, seeing more is always better! less scrolling!


games was just one example. I am fully with you that ppc phones are not primarily gaming devices, of course.

but if you search around for g900 posts you will notice that there are quite a few apps that are hardcoded, not only games.
anyhow, for webbrowsing and the built in apps its a non issue, right.

[netnerd]

games was just one example. I am fully with you that ppc phones are not primarily gaming devices, of course.

but if you search around for g900 posts you will notice that there are quite a few apps that are hardcoded, not only games.
anyhow, for webbrowsing and the built in apps its a non issue, right.

remember windows Xp? people been saying i will not upgrade to Xp from winME cus of compatible issues!
also people been saying i will not upgrade to Vista cus it having compatible issues with XP!
if companies cares about their products, they will make patch or new version that works on XP or Vista!
just like pdaphone with 800x480, if they care about their products, they will make it works with 800x480!

[bommel0815]

You are right, of course. Thats true for most apps that are still maintained. For most.
Somehow 800x480 hasn't gained momentum yet. But i am sure the X1 will be successful enough to change that. I only tried to point out that these widescreen displays have disadvantages too. For one, that they are physically more narrow. That would bother me.

but back to the 9502! According to your sig, you own one. How do you like it? I will receive mine in the next days and I would appreciate your input. Have you removed all the imate stuff and startup items? Whats your experience? i am looking forward to the keyboard, as I like these smaller ones better than the kaiser/tytn type. I am faster with these, maibe due to less finger travel between keys.
How is faaaast typing working out? Performance? Free ram after tuning?

thanks :)

[Raspster]

Hey, has anyone tried this on the 9502...? From what I hear, after the dll files are placed in it will work but REAL SLOW. Not sure how it will work on the 9502 but I'm sure it will look nice because it VGA.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394552&page=2

update: Runs with the dll files but WAYYYYYYY to slow... like 1fps... If anyone can get this working it will be GREAT because it looks so sweet with a VGA device!

[milanvot]

Ok got it Just go HERE (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=238945) and read the instruction all you need is memory card.
Please upload...

http://rapidshare.com/files/119364222/dump.zip.html

(made by grab_it_128)

[samy.3660]

thanks for the upload

[samy.3660]

Did anybody succeeded in CID unlockng this device

[bommel0815]

hi there

I received my ultimate yesterday and I have to say its very nice.
build quality is fine, Its fast and responsive, RAM is not an issue yet (with all my data synced via exchange, PocketPlus 4, PDC, PhoneSuite, Quickmenu open, I now have 40MB free after boot), nor is the 2 GB card limit (as i dont listen to music or watch movies).

The keyboard is small but very nice and responsive. the keys are well domed so its easy to hit the right one.

at least in the tasks i tried, its fast enough:
320x240 movies run smooth, I have to try different res, tough.

Orions runs supersmooth (it stuttered a bit on the 533MHz ETEN).

well...all in all I am very pleased.

[Raspster]

Any NEW news on a ROM update for the 9502.... Has anyone cracked 6.1 to run on it yet?

[samy.3660]

There is a rom development going on in this forum aboutfone (http://www.aboutfone.com/viewforum.php?f=35). We require help from all those who has 9502.

[iggii]

at least in the tasks i tried, its fast enough:
320x240 movies run smooth, I have to try different res, tough.


Hi,
can you pls. provide more info about the movie? ?kbps ?codec
and what player are U using?
Pls. try something with higher resolution - I have problems with anything in higher resolutions - slideshow

Thank you

[bommel0815]

hi there.

I use CorePlayer, but unfortunately the QTv setting doesnt work, so i have to use RAW.

the first movie I tried is an MPEG with coreMPEG1, 320x240, 30fps, bitrate 1196kbit/sec with mpeg layer-2 audio.

runs smooth.

the second movie is MPEG-4 version 3, 320x240 with 2096 kbit/sec, also smooth.

I tried a 640x480 movie with 1800kbit/sec but it was unsuable in CorePlayer but much faster in Windows Media player. still stuttery.

I have to check and encode a DVD myself in 640x480 for Windows Media to see if it works if one uses a mobile friendly method. I dont watch movies on these devices usually :)

[mike freegan]

hi there.

I use CorePlayer, but unfortunately the QTv setting doesnt work, so i have to use RAW.

the first movie I tried is an MPEG with coreMPEG1, 320x240, 30fps, bitrate 1196kbit/sec with mpeg layer-2 audio.

runs smooth.

the second movie is MPEG-4 version 3, 320x240 with 2096 kbit/sec, also smooth.

I tried a 640x480 movie with 1800kbit/sec but it was unsuable in CorePlayer but much faster in Windows Media player. still stuttery.

I have to check and encode a DVD myself in 640x480 for Windows Media to see if it works if one uses a mobile friendly method. I dont watch movies on these devices usually :)

You use this on the 9502?! I can't get anywhere near those results. I can get qvga video to play back best using coreplayer RAWframebuffer setting. It manages about 19fps at 350kbps before it starts to struggle. I have tried it using pretty much every codec.

What ROM version are you using? Perhaps newer devices have a different ROM that we don't yet know about. To find out use;

start > settings > system information > version tab

I have an unbranded 9502 with the following versions:

OEMSBL 0.88.01.0000
E-boot 0.71.01.0000
Modem version 31.36.10.0083.0100.01.000
OS Version 1.23.0100.01.000000

CP Version WWE.05.15

If yours is different, I'm sure that all 9502 users and a lot of Tytn II users would very much appreciate a ROM dump.

[bommel0815]

I have to lend my girlfriends digicam so i can shoot a small video showing the 9502 playing these videos, including the CorePlayer "video properties" of the selected files. give me a few days.

Settings -> System -> System Information says:

OEMSBL: 0.88.01.0000
E-boot: 0.71.01.0000
Modem Version: 31.36.10.0083.0100.01.000
OS Version: 1.23.0100.01.00000

so its the same as yours.

hm. it must depend highly on the movie you use. can you host a problematic movie somewhere?

i have to point out, that while the 640x480 movie was faster in windows media player than coreplayer, it was still way to stuttery to be enjoyable.

I will try a few things during the weekend and will post the results here.

[mike freegan]

That would be helpful. Perhaps there is a patch on the new ones then. I tried encoding the same videos at various resoltions, bitrates and fps.

What software do you use to encode?

Did you try the benchmark function of coreplayer, because mine starts dropping frames regardless of resolution/codec/bitrate after 18-19fps

[bommel0815]

I just did two screenshots. but ain't that similar performance to the Kaiser? ie playing 320x240 movies well but starting to stutter with 640x480 videos?

http://files.berny.at/Screen02.png

http://files.berny.at/Screen03.png

[cushcalc]

funny! i have a 22" monitor at home with 1680x1050 resolution! i have no problems running any programs or games on it!

Apples and Oranges.

You are using an OS that is designed to display most any app in most any size window. Windows Mobile, OTOH, is not really a windowed interface, is it?

[bommel0815]

Apples and Oranges.

You are using an OS that is designed to display most any app in most any size window. Windows Mobile, OTOH, is not really a windowed interface, is it?

yep, right.
you remember DOS? many apps were written for 320x240 and 640x480 screens.
its the same with windows mobile. developers expect these resoltions and often times dont follow the ms guidelines and hardcode many UI items.

[netnerd]

yep, right.
you remember DOS? many apps were written for 320x240 and 640x480 screens.
its the same with windows mobile. developers expect these resoltions and often times dont follow the ms guidelines and hardcode many UI items.

then y u switched to XP or Vista if it having DOS comptiablity issues!?

[bommel0815]

I just said that many PPC apps are hardcoded and this won't change unless the X1 or other 800x480 ppcs are a big success.
these screens have to become important to developers, otherwise they will not be widely supported.

HTC, e-ten, gigabyte, etc. are all using 640x480 screens, and the installed basis is huge. we will see I guess.

netnerd that was not my point.
I said that PC apps used to be hardcoded resolution wise. modern PC applications usually aren't. modern PPC apps often still are.

but somehow this is all missing the point as you are probably right that most (productivity) apps, especially those you are after, will work fine with 800x480. If they'd just stick 3,5" displays on these things...

oh, and according to my doctor, I have 120% eyesight, and still I find the smallest fonts on VGA on 2.8" to be barely readable. on the 3" 800x480 screens the pixeldensity is even higher, because the side that is 480 pixels in height is physically shorter than on 640x480 2.8" screens.

dont be fooled by 3" is bigger than 2,8".
the diagonal is, yes. but the screens get narrower and small items get even smaller.

[netnerd]

dont be fooled by 3" is bigger than 2,8".
the diagonal is, yes. but the screens get narrower and small items get even smaller.

i'm sure the pictures look bigger on analog TV too! are u going to convince me to stay away from HDTV?

[bommel0815]

this has come way off topic and I would suggest to open a new thread for this discussion, so that this one can stay focussed on the 9502.

the only thing I wanted to say is that this high a resolution on that small a screen has, as was already mentioned, diminishing returns.

but you are so focussed on the fact that the X1 will have a 3" screen that you don't realize that it is not much bigger. its wider, but its also NARROWER.

I was thinking about an XDA Flame and an Universal before I settled on the 9502 because I wanted a bigger screen. One problem is that things that get very small on a highres screen are almost impossible to click on, even with the stylus (links in netfront for example). playing OpenTTD is another thing, but as you said you dont play games, its not an issue of course.

I am with you that its better to have a higher resolution and a bigger screen. I 100% agree on that.
The only things I wanted to point out are that
1) the 800x480 resolution is rather uncommon. uncommon means trouble with windows mobile apps.
2) the screen is not really bigger, its bigger in one dimension but smaller in the other.
3) while higher res is better, its not a the pinnacle of mobile computing. remote desktop for instance is nice to look at with a 2.8" VGA screen, but very hard to control, due to the size of the controls.

got it? now back to the 9502 :)

I just tried the redshift "the quest" demo, and it looks brilliant on that screen. Its a bit slow, but very playable.

[netnerd]

but you are so focussed on the fact that the X1 will have a 3" screen that you don't realize that it is not much bigger. its wider, but its also NARROWER.


u can count, dont u?
i want more pixels on screen, i want to see more infos on screen, got it!?
3" WVGA is not that much bigger than VGA at 2.8. how about paypal me 1000$, and i paypal u back 900$ ! it' only a small 100 buk different!

[bommel0815]

:)

back on topic:
Video performance. I just downloaded StarWreck.
a 640x272 Xvid movie. it runs fine in coreplayer, altough not with 30fps but 22fps, according to coreplayer benchmark (after the first 1:30).

its ok and looks good, but could be better. too bad windows media player can't play xvid. i would be interested in a comparison.

edit: the (legal) torrent for the movie can be found here: http://www.starwreck.com/download.php if you want to compare the performance.

[P996]

oh, and according to my doctor, I have 120% eyesight.

I have 175% eyesight(vision sharpness) and I love tiny screens and fonts. Unfortunately I'm 43 years old and I got +1 on both eyes over the last two years, so I need to wear some narrow vision glasses to enjoy the sharp vision. On the other hand, I see like a falcon when it comes to long distances, the perfect sniper I guess. ;)

I hate Nokia for using such large fonts and low res screens on their "state-of-the-art" smartphones(exception: the inner display of the E90 and the N80) and I always loved how the GUI is looking on some SE phones but especially the iPhone. The i-mate 9502 was my first VGA Windows Mobile smartphone and very likely for a very long time my last one. Apparently we need to wait for WM 7 to see an improvement regarding resolution and OS compatibility. The latest HTC Touch Diamond is a very good example of how inadequate WM6.1 is and how limited the options of hardware manufacturers are. With the fast evolution of Symbian and the sensational iPhone OS, Microsoft seems to have woken up from their dreamland. WM7 promises a lot of good features, enhanced speed/functionality and support for modern hardware. Unfortunately the iPhone 2 is just around the corner and Microsoft will have an even more serious competitor with iPhone OSX 3. Don't get me wrong, I'm no Apple or MS fanboy, I use what suits me best, no matter who makes it. I just hope that Symbian, MS and Apple are aware of the fact that they're shaping the future of mobile devices right now.

Right now, my favorite phones are Nokia N95 8GB, Nokia E90 and the "old" iPhone. I just wish some manufacturer would combine all three and make the perfect toy. ;) The HTC Touch Diamond was supposed to be my next WM phone but I passed on it, the reviews aren't too good(I'm spoiled by the iPhone) and my experience with the 9502 doesn't justify another buy. When WM7 comes out, I will give it another try but right now, I spent enough money on WM devices, the iPhone 2 is next.

[Jasjarhaxxor]

hmm.. 110% on a 320x240 video with shitty sound

compared to 230% on my jasjar.....

jasjar plays most 640x480 videos fine 100-150% and better at 624mhz :cool:
9502 does the same videos at 30 - 70%...... :mad:

has anyone out there been reduced to writing your own driver?

if so speak up so we can all work together.


(then email the driver to i-mate and laugh at the programmers)

[mike freegan]

Does anyone else's 9502 sometimes lose signal and not bother trying to find it again when on standby? Quite annoying when it sits in my pocket all day without signal.

It's also started to turn itself off a lot too.

[Ineedtoys]

Does anyone else's 9502 sometimes lose signal and not bother trying to find it again when on standby? Quite annoying when it sits in my pocket all day without signal.

It's also started to turn itself off a lot too.
Had that a few times but exchanged it and been OK so far.

[yuwan]

I found a way just now to force the display to show 262K... Just open the registry: HKLM/System/GDI/Drivers
and change the "Bpp" key from 16 to 18.. Save & restart the PDA.. Check in Settings > System > System Information under "Color",it wil show 262K color... (Sorry for my bad English)
Also I found that D3D-Demo.exe for Kaiser in "HTC Class Action Kaiser Driver cabinet file" run smoothly in 9502 but not for the OpenGL ES demo... Seems that 9502 D3D driver enabled already but not optimized.. Don't try to install the Kaiser driver as it incompatible with 9502.


Btw, care to help me? I lost some file from the WM6.1 ROM, seems that i-Mate forgot to include it in the new ROM. Checked with Pocket Mechanic, says some registry is invalid as the file in not found, try googling but no luck..

The file are: QTVStreamSourceFilter.dll, QC_MP4Encoder.dll, QCVideoSyncFilter.dll

If anyone have that file in their device, probably 9502 with WM6 (original) ROM, please send it to my email: x3n0m0rph@live.com

Thank you a lot ^^ Wish you all the best...

[fred65]

Hi, i've got the 9502 with the new ROM, it has been working fine for a couple of weeks...

Suddenly, all of the buttons stopped working. After a soft-reset, they come back but stop after a few minutes. The screen doesn't rotate either. The touch screen works fine as well.

The buttons actually light up, and the power button is unaffected. The keyboard doesn't do much either. Really strange.

I tried a hard reset, and still no joy, looking like a weird hardware problem, a short amount of time after any reset the buttons just don't respond.

Can anyone help me out, or any advice? This is strange... cheers!

[nebullus_sg]

http://www.imate.com

[The Solutor]

Winterface frree for the imate users just go to imate.com and download it.

[ch0kee]

Hi there, I'm not an i-mate employee;) but I offer imate live chat support,
they help
merry christmas
I'll report again if my problem is solved (or not :confused: )

[dogmaster]

Hi,

recently updated my imate 9502 with the WM6.1, everything seems to work well, the Motorolla Blue Tooth headset that I have been using all this while still works well for making phone calls, except, it cannot be use for watching movies or listening to music, no sound is coming out from the headset.

I was able to use the headset for listening to music and watching videos on the imate when it is in the old ROM WM6.0.

Can anyone help?

[casouzaj]

Hi,

recently updated my imate 9502 with the WM6.1, everything seems to work well, the Motorolla Blue Tooth headset that I have been using all this while still works well for making phone calls, except, it cannot be use for watching movies or listening to music, no sound is coming out from the headset.

I was able to use the headset for listening to music and watching videos on the imate when it is in the old ROM WM6.0.

Can anyone help?
In normal conditions, mono BT headsets are meant to be used for phone calls only, due to their implemented BT protocols (HSP or HFP). I suppose there are means (by changing some reg keys) to have all audio routed to a mono BT headset, though. I don't need to do it because I use BT stereo ones (which "speak" A2DP) for that purpose. By the way, wireless stereo sound works flawlessly with this ROM, for both music and videos.

Cheers!
Carlos

[congpay]

Anybody know what happen to forums.imate.com ? I can't access it again since yesterday ? Hmm..Imate is going BANKRUPT....!!!

[casouzaj]

Anybody know what happen to forums.imate.com ? I can't access it again since yesterday ? Hmm..Imate is going BANKRUPT....!!!
i-mate has closed all of them. A real shame !!!

[iwwwwwwi]

Hi All,
I've just got myself a brand new 9502 from expansys.co.uk as they had some special offer for them (199GBP).
So far so good - just wondering - what's happening with i-mate specific forum on xda-dev? I've tried to google more information about my new toy but in the moment this forum seams to be the only source of information about I-mates. It would be extremely nice to have our own sub-forum here.
Does anyone manage to cook customized ROM for Ultimates 9502? If yes - is there any chance to share the information about how to do it? Tried to find something on aboutfone.com but it seams that the site has been hacked :/


Thanks in advance and Regards

iwwwwwwi (happy I-mate Ultimate 9502 user)

[ZSX]

Hi! I too am an Expansys special deal imate 9502 owner. I'm truly loving this phone at the moment. I am coming from a Touch Diamond, which I still use as my primary phone, but do like the 9502's hardware keyboard and especially the long battery life. There's a proper 1600mAh battery in there!

As I have a separate SIM for unlimited data (no calls/texts) I've put that into my 9502, which is really handy as you can use it for sharing the internet connection with a PC, or independently as a mobile internet device (MID).

I've not customized it much yet, but am using Opera Mobile (build 1182) and Bell+UI.

Sadly the one thing missing are the ROM cooks. Flashing the device to 6.1 was a far longer process than the usual flashing of HTC ROMs though.

[h9s]

Hi,
I just owned 2nd Imate 9505 @ USD400 ^^ i hope it's a good deal, BTW is there any1 here going to cook some ROM?

Looking for Cooked ROM.

Happy Happy

[Duracell Bunny]

Hi, has the windows 6.1 update fixed any of the previous issues with the phone...... Ie: has the 2Gb sdhc limit thing been resolved etc.....

Just a hopeful soon to be owner...........:)

[casouzaj]

Hi, has the windows 6.1 update fixed any of the previous issues with the phone...... Ie: has the 2Gb sdhc limit thing been resolved etc.....

Just a hopeful soon to be owner...........:)
Yes! Rest assured that I leave a 8GB microSDHC card inserted all the time, since day 1, without a single glitch so far (knock on wood :D). Before even having received my 9502 last July, I recall reading a lot of threads around stating that i-mate's stock ROM had many flaws. So, I decided to flash Telstra's leaked WM6.1 beta ROM (v1.73) as soon as I received it. This ROM already supported SDHC out of the box.

Last November I flashed i-mate's official WM6.1 (v1.77) ROM (dowload link is in my signature, below) as soon as it was released. You see, BT-A2DP, SDHC, WiFi, HSxPA, GPS, all work as they are supposed to...

Just my 2 cents!
Carlos

[ZSX]

Like the above poster, I'm using an 8GB SDHC in my 9502 running the official 6.1. It is really good for IM, Facebook, Twitter, mainly because of the hardware keyboard.

My only problems are that the address bar in Opera seems to time out when you are using the hardware keyboard, and that I am getting this rather odd charging problem with the 9502.

Basically, there are times when it refuses to charge, and there are times when the battery drains at a crazy speed - I'm talking 30% in 15 minutes. Not sure why this is happening as at other times it seems to work fine. This is annoying because there are times when the huge battery lasts the whole day with heavy internet browsing via HSDPA, and IM and email via Exchange and Windows Live, but then I can pick up the phone one morning from the charger to find it has a low battery warning.

This can't be normal, but I am hanging on to the phone for a while yet to see whether it settles down since I like it so much. I still have some time left on the warranty.

[Duracell Bunny]

Well, i have my imate now.... ;-)
Quite like it so far, just hope i have no annoying "problems" with it......

My question because i do have one is this....... Has anyone heard of an in-car unit for it.... My Mda 111 used to slot into a a unit with a built in speaker and i rewired the mic to a remote one and the hands free capabilities were very good....... Plus of course it charged as well.....

I would like the same "clarity" of sound and convenience with my new imate...

My head unit has bluetooth ability but the sound from it is dreadful.... ;-(

I don't mind getting the soldering iron out and having a play and would rather do that than put up with something less than good.....

Thanks

Roger

[casouzaj]

Well, i have my imate now.... ;-)
Quite like it so far, just hope i have no annoying "problems" with it......

My question because i do have one is this....... Has anyone heard of an in-car unit for it.... My Mda 111 used to slot into a a unit with a built in speaker and i rewired the mic to a remote one and the hands free capabilities were very good....... Plus of course it charged as well.....

I would like the same "clarity" of sound and convenience with my new imate...

My head unit has bluetooth ability but the sound from it is dreadful.... ;-(

I don't mind getting the soldering iron out and having a play and would rather do that than put up with something less than good.....

Thanks

Roger
Hi Roger,

Congratulations on your new device! I simply love mine! :)

If it can be of any help, you'll find out that the 9502's speakerphone function is one of the (if not THE) best available on the market today, not needing an external speaker at all.

Cheers!
Carlos

[Duracell Bunny]

Hi Carlos

It's not so much that i need an external speaker, but i do need an external mic...
An external speaker may be helpful though.... I'm just aware of how much noise interferes with a call when i'm in the car.......
I like to hear and be heard without having to think about having to "listen" or "having to raise my voice" if you know what mean......

Roger

[casouzaj]

Hi Carlos

It's not so much that i need an external speaker, but i do need an external mic...
An external speaker may be helpful though.... I'm just aware of how much noise interferes with a call when i'm in the car.......
I like to hear and be heard without having to think about having to "listen" or "having to raise my voice" if you know what mean......

Roger
Well, I already used my device's speakerphone while I was driving, and it worked fine. However, I often use a BT headset...

Cheers!
Carlos

[mav42]

I have the full Aust Ver of CoPilot which came with my tytn II, and works well :) I tried to put it on to my Imate 9502 but when it tries to load the cab file is says not allowed to use this Ver.
Iis there any way around this ??? has i own the software i thought i could place it on any device cap of running it

[globalgpj]

Like the above poster, I'm using an 8GB SDHC in my 9502 running the official 6.1. It is really good for IM, Facebook, Twitter, mainly because of the hardware keyboard.

My only problems are that the address bar in Opera seems to time out when you are using the hardware keyboard, and that I am getting this rather odd charging problem with the 9502.

Basically, there are times when it refuses to charge, and there are times when the battery drains at a crazy speed - I'm talking 30% in 15 minutes. Not sure why this is happening as at other times it seems to work fine. This is annoying because there are times when the huge battery lasts the whole day with heavy internet browsing via HSDPA, and IM and email via Exchange and Windows Live, but then I can pick up the phone one morning from the charger to find it has a low battery warning.

This can't be normal, but I am hanging on to the phone for a while yet to see whether it settles down since I like it so much. I still have some time left on the warranty.

I bought mine in Dec 08 when I heard that v1.77 came out. Got a deal, 2wks old for 445. AUD. I just bought anther one brand new for a friend for 520 AUD. Sounds like the UK deal at 199 GBP is a steal of a deal. When compared with all the features with everything out there in pda land, IMO this is the best value for money deal.

I have to say, I don't have any problems whatsoever with my Imate. I run a 16GB card, tons of programs. Battery lasts a long time. Sound like you got some charging issues. I would remove the battery, clean the contacts and possibly reflash the device with the 1.77 ROM again and see what happens. Failing this, I would send it for warranty. You could also try a new battery and fully charge it before using it, even once. Everything on this device works great for me.

If I had one complaint it would be the camera. I was discussing this with some other users on the Imate forum when it was running. It seems when selecting all the highest resolution settings the max output of a jpg file is about 700K. For a 3mp camera one would expect over 1mb. I questioned imate support and they said they were aware and were working on a fix. A month later I spoke with another guy from support, he said they had no idea about this problem and there were no fixes coming out??? Other user of Imate pre 1.77 said there quality of pics were higher with the original and previous 1.73ROMs.

Cheers.

[globalgpj]

I have the full Aust Ver of CoPilot which came with my tytn II, and works well :) I tried to put it on to my Imate 9502 but when it tries to load the cab file is says not allowed to use this Ver.
Iis there any way around this ??? has i own the software i thought i could place it on any device cap of running it
Can't help you with copilot, but destinator 7 works fine. The fix with this chipset takes longer than my Eten x500 device, which had a SIRF III chipset, but D7 still works great.

[Duracell Bunny]

I have another question.......;)

Before i upgraded from Wm6 to 6.1 i had a nice 6 button comm manager, but since i did i now have a rather rubbish looking 4 bar "thing".... :(

Has or does anyone know why this is and can it be "fixed"..????

I'm disappointed because the "lost" comm manager was a pleasant "visual" surprise, albeit it didn't last long........And i would like to see it again....

So, any help would be good, thanks

On another note i use Tomtom 6 on mine and it works very well, it works better now than it did on my Mda 111....

On yet another note...... My battery also seems less than "dynamic" when it comes to battery life..... I have uninstalled S2U2 in case this was an issue and paying attention to what it may be a drag on battery life..... I am also trying "winterface" to see if i like it and as it has an integrated slide to unlock it may perform as i need.......I might turn down the screen brightness a little to see if that helps as well......

[casouzaj]

I have another question.......;)

Before i upgraded from Wm6 to 6.1 i had a nice 6 button comm manager, but since i did i now have a rather rubbish looking 4 bar "thing".... :(

Has or does anyone know why this is and can it be "fixed"..????

I'm disappointed because the "lost" comm manager was a pleasant "visual" surprise, albeit it didn't last long........And i would like to see it again....

So, any help would be good, thanks

On another note i use Tomtom 6 on mine and it works very well, it works better now than it did on my Mda 111....

On yet another note...... My battery also seems less than "dynamic" when it comes to battery life..... I have uninstalled S2U2 in case this was an issue and paying attention to what it may be a drag on battery life..... I am also trying "winterface" to see if i like it and as it has an integrated slide to unlock it may perform as i need.......I might turn down the screen brightness a little to see if that helps as well......
Yes, the Wireless Manager is pretty much WM's default now, but I does what it is supposed to do, anyway.

I have never run the stock WM6 ROM, but I know its Wireless Manager had the GPS toggle button, then. Since GPS is now toggled automatically, that one is not needed anymore.

You've said it had 6 buttons? Well, the remaining one I don't know what for... :)

Cheers!
Carlos

[Duracell Bunny]

Originally Posted by mav42.......

Using CoPilot with 9502
I have the full Aust Ver of CoPilot which came with my tytn II, and works well I tried to put it on to my Imate 9502 but when it tries to load the cab file is says not allowed to use this Ver.
Iis there any way around this ??? has i own the software i thought i could place it on any device cap of running it

Been thinking, i have also discovered that some of my software from my Mda 111 is now defunct.....:( The license i had for my software was for that, if i want to run it on my 9502 i need to buy another license....... Looking at the "legal" bit of most software it does state that it's for single use only on one device........ Bit of a bugger but "right" i suppose........

And although i now have a slide out keyboard i was still hoping to be able to install my touchpal on screen keyboard...... But for some reason it refuses to install...??? Anyone got any ideas why.....???? I say this because they have said they will grant me a new license for my new device, which i think is "most decent" of them.........

If were going to talk good deals for the 9502 then i could mention that i got mine on a 12 month contract for the amount of minutes / texts / data that i need with the phone for free and Just £30 pound a month for all i will use to me is a bargain.........

[ZSX]

Well, I did a hard reset yesterday, put the phone on the charger, and miracle of miracles the battery went right up to full for the first time in a fortnight.

I'm not holding my breath though...

[Adamantite]

Hi all, another new 9502 user here.

Has anyone managed to get Opera running with Flash Lite 3.1?
If you have please let us know which build of Opera and which flash cab you are using.

thx

[domal]

hello all
i m new imate 9502 owner plz what is the best rom for this device , is any custum rom ?? like others models htc ???
srry about my en :)

[casouzaj]

hello all
i m new imate 9502 owner plz what is the best rom for this device , is any custum rom ?? like others models htc ???
srry about my en :)
Welcome !

There are 4 ROMs for the 9502, at least that I'm aware of:

1 - The stock WM6 ROM. It comes flashed in the device out of the box, and can't be downloaded from anywhere;

2 - A beta WM6.1 ROM (v1.73) was released by last July. It can be found here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=407336);

3 -Later on, i-mate released their official WM6.1 ROM (v1.77). This is the one I'm presently using. Its download link can be found at my signature below;

4 - Member 'Crescendo Xenomorph', a big guru here, has just released a beta cooked ROM for our devices. It can be found here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3453268&postcount=362). I couldn't flash it because I get an error during the flashing process, but it is a very promissing ROM. You could give it a try...

Cheers!
Carlos

[ZSX]

Hi there,

I thought I'd post an update on the hardware problems I've been having with the 9502. Basically, it had to go back for repair, a process which took nearly 3 weeks, but was thankfully covered by warranty.

It turned out that the problem with the charging was due to a faulty main board, so that has been swapped out, and I consequently have a new IMEI. This is of course rather annoying as I have software linked to my previous one. Thankfully most software companies are understanding, but it is a hassle to have to contact each one.

The phone works fine now and I am getting back to rediscovering it.

[Duracell Bunny]

Glad you got it sorted..............:)

I've been playing with mine ever since i got it.........:o

I just sorted mine out today for the car......... Now i can plug my phone up and

get my tomtom on my big (larger than my imate) screen in my car......

I have a 5" widescreen that i used for my reversing camera, and now for satnav...........

Well sorted and very happy........:D

[fred65]

Welcome !

There are 4 ROMs for the 9502, at least that I'm aware of:

1 - The stock WM6 ROM. It comes flashed in the device out of the box, and can't be downloaded from anywhere;

2 - A beta WM6.1 ROM (v1.73) was released by last July. It can be found here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=407336);

3 -Later on, i-mate released their official WM6.1 ROM (v1.77). This is the one I'm presently using. Its download link can be found at my signature below;

4 - Member 'Crescendo Xenomorph', a big guru here, has just released a beta cooked ROM for our devices. It can be found here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3453268&postcount=362). I couldn't flash it because I get an error during the flashing process, but it is a very promissing ROM. You could give it a try...

Cheers!
Carlos

hey, yes I've tried the 1.73 ROM which was OK, but HW keyboard i found was slow, and the device wasn't very snappy... Tried the Xenomorph ROM but flashing failed :( so reluctantly went with 1.77 and am surprised at how much better than the 1.73 ROM it is! I recommend it, but try Xenomorph's too!

[techx]

Hi All,

Any updates of getting a better Comm Manager? I need it cos I want to disable 3G services as I'm not using it.

TQ

techx

[xfile2208]

Hello, I'm Vietnamese, currently using 9502 I-Mate, I'm using the 6.1 ROM version 1.77, I want to find the rom 6.5, where it is, I like HTC Home version 2.0 but not the VGA screen

[casouzaj]

Hello, I'm Vietnamese, currently using 9502 I-Mate, I'm using the 6.1 ROM version 1.77, I want to find the rom 6.5, where it is, I like HTC Home version 2.0 but not the VGA screen
I think a cooked WM6.5 ROM has not been released for our devices. I'm afraid we'll have to rely on i-mate's good will to do it. :eek:

Regarding the HTC Home application, I use htchome2. I recommended it 6 months ago in this post (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3275592&postcount=126).

Hope it helps...
Cheers!
Carlos

[qazzi76]

Seriously - @All

I think the best Idea would be to sell your 9502s and recoup any losses you can as this device will not get any support.

I had one too.

The last I heard of Imate is that they were having very serious money problems.

Also the HTC Touch Pro - my previous phone is everything the 9502 should have been but wasn't.

Just my 2 cents.

[casouzaj]

Seriously - @All

I think the best Idea would be to sell your 9502s and recoup any losses you can as this device will not get any support.

I had one too.

The last I heard of Imate is that they were having very serious money problems.

Also the HTC Touch Pro - my previous phone is everything the 9502 should have been but wasn't.

Just my 2 cents.
I'm aware of i-mate's financial crisis, already for a big while now. Nevertheless, I'll keep my 9502, probably for as long as it lasts, simply because it fulfills my present (and futrure) needs. Besides, I like it a lot, mainly because everything just works! :)

Cheers!
Carlos

[esiu]

Hi All,

Any updates of getting a better Comm Manager? I need it cos I want to disable 3G services as I'm not using it.

TQ

techx

to disable 3g:
press the green, click menu->options, go to advanced tab and check "disable phone packet data service"

g-profile is a nice app that allows you to control your comms right from the today screen.

[babil72]

help please i wanna flash my imate ultimate 9502 with rom 1.77 but official site is down where i could find this rom? heeeeeeeeeeeeelp please,
thank you, :) i'm new and i don't know if it's polite or not but my email for pv is czc.babil72@gmail.com thank you again and perdon my bad english, i'm italian...

[casouzaj]

help please i wanna flash my imate ultimate 9502 with rom 1.77 but official site is down where i could find this rom? heeeeeeeeeeeeelp please,
thank you, :) i'm new and i don't know if it's polite or not but my email for pv is czc.babil72@gmail.com thank you again and perdon my bad english, i'm italian...
Look here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3999561&postcount=13).

Cheers!
Carlos

[keeganmaulidia]

hi im an i-mate user
and is there anyone can give me a link to download 6.5 rom for imate 9502?
thx be4

[bommel0815]

hi im an i-mate user
and is there anyone can give me a link to download 6.5 rom for imate 9502?
thx be4

there is no 6.5 image for the old imate.

[saeedari]

hello
whats imate 9502 rom Group ? Elf , prophet , ... which ?
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i want a lite 6.1 or 6.0 rom for this ppc

thanks