GPS

[ToneBank]

Hi.
I know this might already be confirmed but I did a simple logging on com4 and found that the gps i really there. Will go out later today and test it again but this time outside. I attach the logging to.
One more thing, it´s kinda strange the gps is always on, atleast htc could disable the gps for real if they´r not gonna use it. The battery time would increase alot.

[mykie]

GPS is enabled, how more i read about it it has to do with something like no antenna is connected. When i use the GPS test tool it finds a GPS on com4 and have one sat in screen.

[NoNco]

to cold here to go outside, put mine by the window the other day and got one sat with GPS test.

[mykie]

http://www.jeursen.net/S730gps.jpg

Here is mine, I found also one sat, it was inside the house before the window. GPS is working but its no sensitive enough, could be no antenna.

[Lurchy24]

Where can I get the software to access the GPS? Sorry for the simple question, I've been looking around online and can't find it.

[mykie]

Where can I get the software to access the GPS? Sorry for the simple question, I've been looking around online and can't find it.

http://www.smartphone.net/software_detail.asp?id=3170

[Lurchy24]

Thanks. I only get one satellite as well.

[A.Bagatov]

Im very happy!! 1 sat. is better than no sat.

hope we can get GPS running for real.. soon

[rooomish]

As jockyw2001 also wrote: We need pics of the inside of S730, both pre-production (with antenna) and current production model/or service manuals of Kaiser and s730. Then we will be able to see how the antenna looks like and where is it connected.

Idea:)!!
Is it possible to make (by HTC) the hardware switch on s730 board, which is disconnecting the antenna?
Then, the antenna could exist and the new ROM could enable this feature in future.

[NoNco]

Is there anyone here in the forum that actually has GPS working and getting a few sat signals etc.

it will be intresting to see if there is any difrerences in there registry. If someone has it working can they post the reg. info so we can compare.

[saman-cz]

One more thing, it´s kinda strange the gps is always on, atleast htc could disable the gps for real if they´r not gonna use it. The battery time would increase alot.

GPS is not always on. It has some power saving timeout and 'wakes up' when communication port is openned and GPS data are read.
On the COM4 is not directly GPS, but GPS intermediate driver (someone knows it from PPCs), that allows more application can read from one COM port.

[NoNco]

something else i thought of is there a working driver for the gps on the phone or not? Im not really sure if it needs one.

Also i found a pdf of the msm7200 chipset. not that much to look at but you can see the gps etc and how its wired and i presume an antena at the end.

Follow the link http://www.3gchipsets.co.kr/download_library/pdf/msm7200_chipset.pdf

[Andrew Farrell]

Here is a s730 with GPS:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337796&page=2

[mykie]

yes it was a preproduction model. In the official models its not working. We need to find out what is difference between both models

[10332007]

I am still new to the smartphone world so I cannot be of too much help, but this is what i've seen thusfar;

With GPS Test I have gotten sats on com 2,4 and 7, every satellite I pick up is at 0 on the little map locator screen. The GPS tool never gets past GPS starting up, stays fixed at 1D and no other info gets downloaded.

My testing has been in very cloudy weather over the past few days here in Texas, today though its nice and clear so I hope to get more done. I played a little with the baud rate but nothing came of it. When I did pick up a sat it was gone in 10 - 20 seconds. I did at one point pick up two at once, both in the same direction. Overall I have seen 6 different satellites, only 2 at once, and all from the same location. Could be thats the only open direction I had for visibility at the time.

I do remember reading somewhere that the GPS chip had a small antenna actually built onto it. Hopefully we can get it working soon.

[mykie]

I am still new to the smartphone world so I cannot be of too much help, but this is what i've seen thusfar;

With GPS Test I have gotten sats on com 2,4 and 7, every satellite I pick up is at 0 on the little map locator screen. The GPS tool never gets past GPS starting up, stays fixed at 1D and no other info gets downloaded.

My testing has been in very cloudy weather over the past few days here in Texas, today though its nice and clear so I hope to get more done. I played a little with the baud rate but nothing came of it. When I did pick up a sat it was gone in 10 - 20 seconds. I did at one point pick up two at once, both in the same direction. Overall I have seen 6 different satellites, only 2 at once, and all from the same location. Could be thats the only open direction I had for visibility at the time.

I do remember reading somewhere that the GPS chip had a small antenna actually built onto it. Hopefully we can get it working soon.

could you find out where you have read it?

[10332007]

This (http://smartphonethoughts.com/news/show/23292/built-in-gps-on-the-htc-s730.html) is one place, I cannot find the other place, it was their blog or one of those other sights that has a blog in playing with the pre production unit they talked about its processor and GPS... I'll try to dig it up.

Getting really annoying having the tool stay in "GPS starting up" mode none stop. Need to find the HTC version that the pre prod. phones were using or figure out how they nerf'd it.

[rooomish]

Yes, I think I saw the same blog forum, but this blog is out now :/.
http://superiorgadgets.blogspot.com/2007/09/htc-s730-worthy-successor-of-popular.html

[rooomish]

But of course the blogger still exist on http://superiorgadgets.blogspot.com/

[butzchan]

http://forums.thoughtsmedia.com/showthread.php?t=23205

Post #7.

Has anyone tried to get a pre-production rom?

[rooomish]

Not actively. We have been waiting here for someone who has the preproduction model. Do you know anybody?

[butzchan]

Not actively. We have been waiting here for someone who has the preproduction model. Do you know anybody?

Not personally. There are a few that have the pre-production model, but I believe that they do not know how to extract the rom.

[butzchan]

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=308305&page=5

Post #46

Looks like this might be a dumped rom. Waiting to hear any news!?

[rooomish]

Yes, but MIGHT be. Just now, I tried to ask the author of:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTHO86--VHM
for rom dumping.

(by the way - nice video)

We will see :-/

[10332007]

Yeah thats the blogger but the post is gone :(

I wonder if we could just get the drivers for the GPS instead of doing a whole reflash...thats was the issue seems like to me, WM6 knows its there and such but doesnt have the right drivers to make it work. (my guess from the computer world. Phones are diff though so it might not be the same idea.)

[mykie]

Mine idea is, the chip and rom is working but the chip has no antenna.

[butzchan]

Mine idea is, the chip and rom is working but the chip has no antenna.

Check out the link in my post from 9:04 am.

Check out post #17 from:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=341951&page=2

This is dated Nov 30th...could it be a pre-production rom?

[mykie]

Check out the link in my post from 9:04 am.

Check out post #17 from:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=341951&page=2

This is dated Nov 30th...could it be a pre-production rom?

How could we find out?

[solvang]

Hi guys (and gals?)

Just got my retail S730, love the phone as it is but would really like the GPS up and running.

Have been following the testing and discussion here, and would like to help.

1. If someone gave me clear instructions (or better, a service manual), I could open my phone to check for a GPS-antenna.

2. Somewhere (I HAVE been searching, but cant find it again) I found someone naming some .DLLs which were some kind of drivers for the GPS-unit (from the Kaiser?). Anyone have any ideas?

regards,

[rooomish]

Ad registry: Try jockyw instruction.
**First check if the Qualcomm GPS driver is loaded (GPSID_QCT.dll). See if the file is there and check registry. See here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1580520&postcount=35
**
Pls, write here the results

Ad antenna:
It is also posible, that antenna is not missing - that is only "disconnected" by software (maybe on some preamplifier stage?).

That is why we have to check both: prepro HTC or Kaiser (to know, how antenna looks like and where is it connected - and open postpro model - if antenna exist or not.

[butzchan]

Well, if the GPSID_QCT.dll file is supposed to be in the windows folder...it is not. The only file I found was gpstmc.dll. Where do I get the GPSID_QCT.dll file?

[rooomish]

This file exists in Kaiser. If other registry are ok, please ask somebody on Kaiser forum to upload this file - Sorry I have not time to do it now. Thanks for checking!!

[NoNco]

My S730 does not have 1 file in it that starts with GPS, so im woundering if this is just a driver problem maybe.

I have the same GPSID_QCT.dll reference in the registry but i cannot find it any where. Def. not in the windows folder anyway.

[C@SP]

I asked a friend who owns a Kaiser to send me the file. As soon as I have it, I will upload it.

[butzchan]

I asked a friend who owns a Kaiser to send me the file. As soon as I have it, I will upload it.

THANKS!!!!!!!!

[Georgo10]

My S730 does not have 1 file in it that starts with GPS, so im woundering if this is just a driver problem maybe.

I have the same GPSID_QCT.dll reference in the registry but i cannot find it any where. Def. not in the windows folder anyway.


I found files gpsid.dll and gpsid_qct.dll in Windows folder in my S730 (watching Windows folder by Total Commander).

[madferret]

Yeah, I've got those on my (UK) production model too. And these:

gpsapi.dll
gpsapiext.dll
GpsDaemonService.dll
GpsSecurity.dll

Like others, I can 'start' GPS but get no effective response.

[rooomish]

That is why it is important test to use the GPSID_QCT.dll file on s730. It seems to me strange, that registry refer to file which is missing. Do not forget that Kaiser (that use this driver) has the same chipset and working GPS. Maybe it is not the solution - but we have to check also this possibility.
Try it somebody for us (put this file on !!correct directory - for sure consult it with Kaiser owner) and give the feedback. Thanks, because I am not owner of s730 - only trying to help :-)

[saman-cz]

I also have mentioned file (driver), but GPS not working.. SO, this is definitely not the cure..
I've attached it.

[mykie]

it was a nice try, it is good when everything where you believe in is tested when possible

[Andrew Farrell]

This vendor claims his s730 is GPS enabled:

http://www.supergps.co.uk/htc-s730-gps-simfree-pda-phone-p-1032.html

Quote from page:

Product Specification : HTC S730 GPS Sim-Free PDA Phone
Operating System Windows Mobile 6 Standard
Processor CPU: 32bit Samsung SC32442 CPU Clock: 400 MHz
Memory ROM capacity: 128 MB RAM capacity: 64 MB
Expandable Memory SDIO, microSD, TransFlash
GPS Technology Version SiRF Star III , 20 channels
WiFi 802.11b, 802.11g
Bluetooth Bluetooth 2.0
Size 50 x 100 x 18 millimetres
Display Display Type: color transflective TFT , 65536 scales Display Resolution: 240 x 320 Display Diagonal: 2.2 "
3G Lithium-ion polymer , removable 1050 mAh

[madferret]

This vendor claims his s730 is GPS enabled:

http://www.supergps.co.uk/htc-s730-gps-simfree-pda-phone-p-1032.html


I got mine from them. It isn't. :(

(Nor did I expect it to be - their website hasn't been changed since the pre-production models were announced)

[solvang]

I also have mentioned file (driver), but GPS not working.. SO, this is definitely not the cure..
I've attached it.

Is this file from Kaiser, or is it the original from S730?

[NoNco]

I also have mentioned file (driver), but GPS not working.. SO, this is definitely not the cure..
I've attached it.

Ok iv managed to see all the GPS files in the windows directory now.

Iv got a total of 6 Dll's refering to GPS. Does the Kaiser also have these files, and if so can you get them so we can compare them to what we have.

gpsapi.dll
gpsapiext.dll
GpsDaemonService.dll
gpsid.dll
gpsid_qtc.dll
GpsSecurity.dll

:)

Something else, how do i manage to copy these files to another directory. If its possible

[butzchan]

So the GPSID_QCT.dll file is in the windows directory. I had to use SmartExplorer to search and find it. So it is not a driver problem. Any ideas?

[mykie]

If I look into the diagrams below

http://www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/gpsone.pdf

This has a better diagram.

http://www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/diagram_gpsone.pdf

Then the GPS has his own antenne apart from the GSM antenna. Could be not be conntected?

[Andrew Farrell]

Here is a better block diagram of the Qualcom MSM7200 chip:

http://www.cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/diagram_msm7200_cs.pdf

[rooomish]

Sorry, these are not the steps to solve our problem - all these diagrams shows, that gps antenna should be connected for proper function.
But we still do not know if s730 has the antenna really connected - or if this function is only disabled by software. See the previous posts.

[butzchan]

What we need is the rom from a pre-production S730.

[solvang]

From another forum:

"Hi guys, finally HTC S730 in my hand. I have a prerelease version with official HTC rom but with internal GPS ENABLED.
I've tested with TOMTOM NAVIGATOR 6 + fakecursor.
Satellite work and fixed. I selected com 4 with HTCGPSTool.exe and all is good.

I know official rom will disable internal GPS, so if anyone help me to dump this rom (WITH INTERNAL GPS ENABLED) i'll share it."

from here:

http://www.modaco.com/content-page/260913/The-official-HTC-Wings-S730-Ask-Paul-thread/page/60/

[NoNco]

From another forum:

"Hi guys, finally HTC S730 in my hand. I have a prerelease version with official HTC rom but with internal GPS ENABLED.
I've tested with TOMTOM NAVIGATOR 6 + fakecursor.
Satellite work and fixed. I selected com 4 with HTCGPSTool.exe and all is good.

I know official rom will disable internal GPS, so if anyone help me to dump this rom (WITH INTERNAL GPS ENABLED) i'll share it."

from here:

http://www.modaco.com/content-page/260913/The-official-HTC-Wings-S730-Ask-Paul-thread/page/60/

Seen it a while ago and PM'd the guy with no reply yet, maybe someone else will have better luck

[rooomish]

I can not find this contribution at this link :( Deleted?

[butzchan]

I can not find this contribution at this link :( Deleted?

Post #70 @ http://www.modaco.com/content-page/2...hread/page/60/

I have also replied at this that thread and sent that person a message. Hopefully we will get a reply soon.

[rooomish]

I saw you there :-) Just now, I tried to send him the private message - hope he will respond.

[Andrew Farrell]

http://www.jeursen.net/S730gps.jpg

Here is mine, I found also one sat, it was inside the house before the window. GPS is working but its no sensitive enough, could be no antenna.

IMO the simple fact that a small GPS signal is being received tells me the GPS receiver/processor is all there, but the quality/quantity of the GPS data is very poor as if you were in a concrete building. If the GPS software was disabled you would get nothing.

As this picture was taken at a window (where you would expect to get a full 3d lock with a BT GPS receiver) then I would put money on it that the internal GPS aerial is physically disconnected (or simply not installed) before it gets to the GPS processor. It looks like the existing GPS aerials conducting tracks on the PCB are acting as the aerial.

But there is only 1 sure way of knowing, by opening and comparing a pre-production and a current production model.

[rooomish]

If the HTC sold the preproduction models as well as postproduction, it means that service center have the information (service manuals) or experience how to repair them. So, one way could be to find somebody, who is repairing HTC devices (in your town) - he must f.e. knows how antenna in Kaiser looks like or where/if it is attached in s730 etc. Have anybody such contact?

[moneytoo]

If the HTC sold the preproduction models as well as postproduction, it means that service center have the information (service manuals) or experience how to repair them. So, one way could be to find somebody, who is repairing HTC devices (in your town) - he must f.e. knows how antenna in Kaiser looks like or where/if it is attached in s730 etc. Have anybody such contact?

I have a friend that works on repairing GPS capable devices from E-Ten and HTC (for Czech and Slovak mobile operators). I try to reach him but cant promise anything.

[rooomish]

Thanks for trying! Maybe it will really helps!

[mykie]

IMO the simple fact that a small GPS signal is being received tells me the GPS receiver/processor is all there, but the quality/quantity of the GPS data is very poor as if you were in a concrete building. If the GPS software was disabled you would get nothing.

As this picture was taken at a window (where you would expect to get a full 3d lock with a BT GPS receiver) then I would put money on it that the internal GPS aerial is physically disconnected (or simply not installed) before it gets to the GPS processor. It looks like the existing GPS aerials conducting tracks on the PCB are acting as the aerial.

But there is only 1 sure way of knowing, by opening and comparing a pre-production and a current production model.

It was mine post, as I say the GPS if working but acting poor. Only mine thinking is it is working without an antenna. I read somewhere the GPS chip is working with the antenna on it I would say the antenna is disconnected. Like he said we must see a preproduction model or a kaiser to see inside how it is connected.

[A.Bagatov]

How can we identify a pre-production model (except looking at GPS feature)?

[NoNco]

well i think we need someone in here with a working gps and then we can compare rom/radio etc versions for a start

[rafuz]

Next week I will have both a commercial s730 and a pre-production one with working GPS. I will do a series of comparative tests and post here the results :)

[mykie]

Next week I will have both a commercial s730 and a pre-production one with working GPS. I will do a series of comparative tests and post here the results :)

are those both your ownings?

[rafuz]

are those both your ownings?

yes, both mine :D

[A.Bagatov]

wow that sounds promising.

keep it up!
thanks

[Jammo]

Don't give up my friend! I want to use all the potential in this little toy!

[NoNco]

Next week I will have both a commercial s730 and a pre-production one with working GPS. I will do a series of comparative tests and post here the results :)

Nice 1 m8, will be intresting to see the results. Looking forward to it.....

[narthexs]

Hi,
my supplier gave me a working pre-production model of the S730.
I launched the GPSTest and this works without problems.

The version I have here is the following:

CE 5.2.1622
BUILD 18128.0.4.4
R 1.58.17.02
G 25.62.30.03H
D 1.31.00.00

My question, is this a real pre-production model?
Has anyone other values?

Kind regards,
Phil

[moneytoo]

I have exactly the same values (no pre-production).
What do you mean "works without problems"? How many satellites have you found? Does it show time? Does it work with other GPS tools?

[butzchan]

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1249436

The second picture shows pre-production radio and rom builds.

[saman-cz]

I launched the GPSTest and this works without problems.

You mean, you've got 3+ satellites and 3D fix?

I have the normal model and the same numbers.

[narthexs]

I got 6 GPS satellites in View + a latitude and a longitude.

But my Device Information reads out the following versions:
ROM Version: 1.31.405.1
Model Name: HTC_S730

Sorry, I haven't had the time to test any other GPS tools...

Kind regards,
Phil

Hi,
my supplier gave me a working pre-production model of the S730.
I launched the GPSTest and this works without problems.

The version I have here is the following:

CE 5.2.1622
BUILD 18128.0.4.4
R 1.58.17.02
G 25.62.30.03H
D 1.31.00.00

My question, is this a real pre-production model?
Has anyone other values?

Kind regards,
Phil

[dohnutts]

I have ROM Version 1.31.402.0 no pre-prod.
And the GPS is not working, it finds a few satellites (1-4) but no fix.

[butzchan]

I got 6 GPS satellites in View + a latitude and a longitude.

But my Device Information reads out the following versions:
ROM Version: 1.31.405.1
Model Name: HTC_S730

Sorry, I haven't had the time to test any other GPS tools...

Kind regards,
Phil

Something is strange here. Could you provide screen shots?

[saman-cz]

ROM Version: 1.31.405.1
Model Name: HTC_S730

Same. So, in the worse case the difference is in hw, or just in some settings. Can you, please, dump the ROM and provide part02.raw to download?

[butzchan]

Same. So, in the worse case the difference is in hw, or just in some settings. Can you, please, dump the ROM and provide part02.raw to download?


http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=308305&page=5

Post #46

I believe that this is a dumped pre-production rom (judging by the date). It includes the .raw. What can this tell us?

[saman-cz]

I've already check that. I was not able to extract the image to files as i was able to do it with image from my device, with the same tools. Also that image has 54MB, but image from my device has 74MB. I'm not a "dump ROM master", so i hope, that image from phil will help more..

[butzchan]

I've already check that. I was not able to extract the image to files as i was able to do it with image from my device, with the same tools. Also that image has 54MB, but image from my device has 74MB. I'm not a "dump ROM master", so i hope, that image from phil will help more..

Awesome. Please keep us posted.

[rafuz]

I've received my pre-production S730. The GPS is on Com4, 57600 bps. I can get a fix in about 40 seconds on cold start.

GPS Enabled S730:
R 1.58.06.16
G 25.42.11.00H
D 0.91.00.00

Production S730:
R 1.58.17.02
G 25.62.30.03H
D 1.31.408.0

Someone wants to give me some hints on how to find differences?

[NoNco]

what did you use to test the gps on the pre production model?

On mine i cant even set GPStest to 57600 bps.

The only hint i can say is compare the 2 registrys reg. gps entrys

R 1.58.17.02
G 25.62.30.03H
D 1.31.00.00

oh PS. nice going Rafuz. We can move forward now with some luck.

[rafuz]

what did you use to test the gps on the pre production model?

On mine i cant even set GPStest to 57600 bps.

The only hint i can say is compare the 2 registrys reg. gps entrys

R 1.58.17.02
G 25.62.30.03H
D 1.31.00.00

oh PS. nice going Rafuz. We can move forward now with some luck.

My pre-production has many debug tools installed. Now I'm playing with it a bit. I've used HTC GPS Tool.

[JJM_730]

hi, maybe you can find some differences in the registry area or in the \windows directory. I've seen two places in the registry that seem to contain GPS settings and the windows directory contains some .dlls that have to do with GPS. Also there could be a background service or a program in the startup list (both in the registry). Maybe you can find a process thAt is not on the consumer model.

If I can offer more assistance, let me know.

[rooomish]

narthexs, rafuz!

Please keep on comparing and researching!! As prepro (and postpro) owners you have excellent conditions, and we need your help. This topic has 5,948 visits now:-).

[jockyw2001]

Just open them up and find out where the antenna connects in the pre and if the antenna is indeed missing in the other (like in other models).

[gs-ireland]

I am like a lot of other viewers here waiting to see if the s730 really can be the ultimate smartphone with the hopeful (re)activation of the GPS , just look at the thread viewership: >6,700 times!!

I am on the fence with this and I really do want to buy one, but only if the GPS can be activated. It is such a shame that it is not GPS ready 'out-of-the-box'. Come on HTC, it must be heavily damaging the sales of the device. Do they realise this?.


I am hopeful that some of you fine cooks/developers can find a simple fix for this, even if it means fabricating/manufacturing an aftermarket aerial (if it is a hardware issue).

Keep up the great work

[amaric]

We need to speed this up!

1. Someone should write step by step to rafuz on how to dump ROM on both pre-production and production models.

2. We need those dumped ROMs somewhere uploaded so that more people can have access to it and make comparisons.

I think there are two options to find out whether there is some hardware missing on production model or it is just software that is different :

1. Open both models and see (obviously nobody wants to do that)
2. Load pre-production ROM on production model and see if it's working.

I own production model, so if i can be of any help, just ask.

[butzchan]

I agree. Things have been slow for a while. Can anyone help rafuz or narthexs?

Also, amaric, I believe that there is a dumped pre-production rom somewhere on this thread. Can you do anything with it?

[gs-ireland]

1. Open both models and see (obviously nobody wants to do that).

Here is a suggestion:

As I mentioned earlier the huge thread viewership, if just 10% of these donated just €1 to a fund we could nearly buy a used-pre and new-post production S730 and reverse engineer them to see exactly what is stopping the GPS.

Thoughts?

[butzchan]

I think all we really need is someone to put a pre-production rom on a production model phone. This is the first step to see if the hardware even exists.

[jockyw2001]

I think all we really need is someone to put a pre-production rom on a production model phone. This is the first step to see if the hardware even exists.
For that u need a SSPL and HardSPL. I'm willing to develop these but I'd need some incentives :D

[butzchan]

I just got off the phone with HTC support. I asked about the S730 hardware. The person I was talking to asked someone from the development department (or something like that), and confirmed to me that the hardware is the same in all HTC S730 models (pre-production and production models). All we need is the rom from the pre-production models. :D

[butzchan]

For that u need a SSPL and HardSPL. I'm willing to develop these but I'd need some incentives :D

Like what? :)

[rooomish]

For that u need a SSPL and HardSPL. I'm willing to develop these but I'd need some incentives :D

Well as I promise before I have paid 10 USD for GPS s730 research to you just now.

[amaric]

I don't think that donation is the problem. I would pay much more then €1 to make it work, but free option must be first options and then everything else.

I didn't find pre-production rom on this thread, can anyone post a link?

I am not sure what i can do with it because this would be the first try. But at least i could start with something.

[saman-cz]

So, rafuz, could you, pls, dump the ROM from pre-production model?

[rooomish]

So, rafuz, could you, pls, dump the ROM from pre-production model?

I suppose that rafuz (if he visit forum again) will need the concrete steps how to do it.

[jockyw2001]

Someone has sent me the 0.91 MFG Wings SPL.
I will try to build a SSPL asap. I can probably also patch it such that it can dump entire OS from flash to sd and back from sd to flash (of course we need a hardSPL first before doing that!).

The dump in this thread (or was it in another) is the OS partition from a pre model.

Stay tuned!

[butzchan]

Someone has sent me the 0.91 MFG Wings SPL.
I will try to build a SSPL asap. I can probably also patch it such that it can dump entire OS from flash to sd and back from sd to flash (of course we need a hardSPL first before doing that!).

The dump in this thread (or was it in another) is the OS partition from a pre model.

Stay tuned!

SCHWEET! Keep us posted!

[rafuz]

So, rafuz, could you, pls, dump the ROM from pre-production model?

Ok, if you explain me how to do it :p
Or you can give me a link which explains it. I'm back at work and I don't have much time to experiment with my two phones :(

[A.Bagatov]

Keep it up! :D

[jockyw2001]

The attached SSPL is just a test version where I want to know if you see tri-color bootloader display and if "USB" appears after a few seconds.

Here is how to test:
- remove sd and sim card
- connect usb cable
- copy sspl-0.91-wings.exe to your device
- keep the usb cable connected and run sspl-0.91-wings.exe on your device
- check if screen changes to tri-color mode (red green blue) and if "USB" appears
- should it indeed show USB, then unplug and replug usb cable and check in device manager if there is a Windows CE device -> Microsoft Sync device

Don't worry if the screen stays white or messes up. Just remove and replug the battery and restart your Wings after testing this.

[amaric]

The attached SSPL is just a test version where I want to know if you see tri-color bootloader display and if "USB" appears after a few seconds.

Here is how to test:
- remove sd and sim card
- connect usb cable
- copy sspl-0.91-wings.exe to your device
- keep the usb cable connected and run sspl-0.91-wings.exe on your device
- check if screen changes to tri-color mode (red green blue) and if "USB" appears
- should it indeed show USB, then unplug and replug usb cable and check in device manager if there is a Windows CE device -> Microsoft Sync device

Don't worry if the screen stays white or messes up. Just remove and replug the battery and restart your Wings after testing this.

I followed this steps, copied exe file to temp folder and when i run it and press Continue button device just restarted. :(

[dohnutts]

Same thing happens for me... just restarting.

[jockyw2001]

Ooops stupid mistake.
New file posted above.

[amaric]

Ooops stupid mistake.
New file posted above.

This time screen just becomes black, no red green blue.

[jockyw2001]

This time screen just becomes black, no red green blue.
Ok, while it is in that state pls unplug and replug usb cable and check if you have the forementioned usb device in device manager.
(in many cases tri color isn't required)

[amaric]

Is it important to disable ActiveSync USB connection or it doesn't matter?

[jockyw2001]

Is it important to disable ActiveSync USB connection or it doesn't matter?
Doesn't matter. Only matters if you want to connect with MTTY.
About 10 seconds after running sspl it's important to unplug and replug usb cable. Then check in device manager.

[amaric]

When i unplug and replug, the device does not show in device manager. It's like i didn't connect it.

[jockyw2001]

When i unplug and replug, the device does not show in device manager. It's like i didn't connect it.
ok, next version follows in a few minutes

[jockyw2001]

New file posted. Always check if the usb driver is there, even if display white, dark or garbled.

[amaric]

New file posted. Always check if the usb driver is there, even if display white, dark or garbled.

Now i get red green blue (and white :) ) screen with this text :

wing220 mfg
spl-0.91.1000
cpld-7

"USB" doesn't show and when i unplug and replug i get that "USB device not recognized" message and "Unknown device" in Device Manager.

[jockyw2001]

Ok, we're very close :)
Next version in a few minutes. Stay tuned!

[jockyw2001]

Try the new version posted above.

Here is how to test:
- remove sd and sim card
- connect usb cable
- copy sspl-0.91-wings.exe to your device
- keep the usb cable connected and run sspl-0.91-wings.exe on your device
- check if screen changes to tri-color mode (red green blue) and if "USB" appears
- should it indeed show USB, then unplug and replug usb cable and check in device manager if there is a Windows CE device -> Microsoft Sync device

[amaric]

It's the same. No "USB" and "USB device not recognized".

[jockyw2001]

It's the same. No "USB" and "USB device not recognized".
Just posted a new version which I expect to work.
It runs fine on my Kaiser. Please try again :)

[amaric]

It works now!

What are the next steps?

[jockyw2001]

It works now!

What are the next steps?

Wonderful! :)

Next steps will be to make a real SSPL out of this one which bypasses all security. Then I will also produce a HardSPL so we have an insurance against bad flashes.

I also will prepare instructions for dumping your OS to SD card.
The guy with the pre model will then also have to dump his OS so we can compare and flash that pre version to your devices.

Make sure you have a micro sd card of at least 256MB (512 or 1GB is better).
Also make sure you install MTTY 1.42 (search).

Just wait for further instructions from my side :D

[NoNco]

MTTY 1.42

http://forum.xda-developers.com/download.php?id=9864

think thats the correct version. Just to answer the inevitable question to where it is, hehe

:D

[jockyw2001]

Does anyone have a link to an official Wings Rom update?

[WasStoNed]

Does anyone have a link to an official Wings Rom update?

Have there been any?

[jockyw2001]

Have there been any?
Dunno, just askin

[NoNco]

I havnt seen any updates for the s730 on HTC's site. No updates via WM6 Update either.

just checked no updates on the HTC European site in there eClub

PS. Thanks for all the hard work being put into this...

[rafuz]

Wonderful! :)

Next steps will be to make a real SSPL out of this one which bypasses all security. Then I will also produce a HardSPL so we have an insurance against bad flashes.

I also will prepare instructions for dumping your OS to SD card.
The guy with the pre model will then also have to dump his OS so we can compare and flash that pre version to your devices.

Make sure you have a micro sd card of at least 256MB (512 or 1GB is better).
Also make sure you install MTTY 1.42 (search).

Just wait for further instructions from my side :D

Ok when it's done I'm ready to dump :p

[jockyw2001]

Ok when it's done I'm ready to dump :p
I will send instructions shortly. You have a at least 512MB SD card in ur pre-production model?

[amaric]

I have everything that you said. I am ready when you are.

[rooomish]

Hi Amaric, Rafuz: see please also new topic "Wings SSPL and HardSPL" = how to dump/flash ROM.

[rooomish]

Hi, narthexs, rafuz we need your dumped prepro model ROM, please visit thread:
"Please do me a favor and dump ram"
thanks

[rakusson]

hey,

I found this screen shot with GPS here.

http://windowsmobilesk.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!2C19B58AE653A521!824.entry

This is really getting confusing. I don't understand why HTC does not says anything about it. It seems they have built-in GPS chips but why hidden?

[butzchan]

hey,

I found this screen shot with GPS here.

http://windowsmobilesk.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!2C19B58AE653A521!824.entry

This is really getting confusing. I don't understand why HTC does not says anything about it. It seems they have built-in GPS chips but why hidden?

No rom support from HTC in the released version. Hardware is there (see post #91). I believe that a fix is close. :)

[moneytoo]

Content of hopreject.lst (production rom), you may notice HTCGPSTool.exe and GPSRouter.exe (but the exe files are missing).
#\Windows\RegisterEditor.exe#
#\Windows\RegeditSTG.exe#
#\Windows\DebugTool.exe#
#\Windows\Battery.exe#
#\Windows\BTRouter.exe#
#\Windows\BTTest.exe#
#\Windows\ByteCounter.exe#
#\Windows\FieldTest.exe#
#\Windows\NetworkTestPPC.exe#
#\Windows\Uni_AT.exe#
#\Windows\WLAN_eMapi.exe#
#\Windows\ComSwitcher.exe#
#\Windows\Qxdmsdlog.exe#
#\Windows\HTCGPSTool.exe#
#\Windows\GPSRouter.exe#
#\Windows\fexplore.exe#
#\Windows\DevHealth.exe#
#\Windows\Launcher.exe#
#\Windows\memoRx.exe#
#\Windows\Uni_ATs.exe#
#\Windows\WLAN_LOG.exe#
#\Windows\WLAN_MAN.exe#
#\Windows\A911Switch.exe#
#\Windows\jeodek.exe#
#\Windows\BTFtpClient.exe#
#\Windows\JBlend_AMS.exe#

[butzchan]

Very interesting.

[A.Bagatov]

What do you mean the .exe files are missing?

So if we get the .exe from pre-prod model and include them we solve the problem?

[gs-ireland]

Can somebody please upload the GPSRouter.exe app to test?

[rooomish]

Maybe that these files are also in Kaiser.

[jockyw2001]

Content of hopreject.lst (production rom), you may notice HTCGPSTool.exe and GPSRouter.exe (but the exe files are missing).

The file hopreject.lst lists all files HTC has left out of the ROM.
Someone with a pre-prod should also look for this file and list the contents.

[jockyw2001]

Maybe that these files are also in Kaiser.
Can't find them on my Kaiser.

[gs-ireland]

Can't find them on my Kaiser.

Have a look at this thread in the Modaco forums:
http://www.modaco.com/content/HTC-Kaiser-Kaiser-MoDaCo-com/261102/Kaiser-Extended-ROM/


Post ~5 shows that the GPSRouter.exe is in the Kaisers '' hopreject.lst''

[jockyw2001]

Post ~5 shows that the GPSRouter.exe is in the Kaisers '' hopreject.lst''
.. which means it's not installed on Kaiser either

[moneytoo]

Some Kaiser/Wings GPS related registry key differences

Kaiser
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers\GPSOneDevice]
"InterfaceType"="POLL"
"FriendlyName"="QualComm GpsOne Card, version 0.0"

Wings
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers\GPSOneDevice]
"InterfaceType"="COMM"
"FriendlyName"="GPSOneDevice"

Another interesting thing - Wings' Camera application seems to supports GPS location tagging

[raventoo]

[QUOTE=moneytoo;1795067]Some Kaiser/Wings GPS related registry key differences

Kaiser
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers\GPSOneDevice]
"InterfaceType"="POLL"
"FriendlyName"="QualComm GpsOne Card, version 0.0"

Wings
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers\GPSOneDevice]
"InterfaceType"="COMM"
"FriendlyName"="GPSOneDevice"


I have Wings with production ROM and registry information is the same as in Kaiser.

[moneytoo]

I have Wings with production ROM and registry information is the same as in Kaiser.

All right... Its probably because of some application I have used for testing GPS then.

[raventoo]

All right... Its probably because of some application I have used for testing GPS then.

I tried GPSTest / 1-2 sattelites.

[WasStoNed]

That's all I manage on Prod ROM very weak too

[asimolo76]

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms894901.aspx

My settings seem to be correct, I find further and not on the registry must miss other things ....

[bigflavor]

I had contacted the user vactor who reported having a pre-prod s730 via hofo yesterday, and he responded saying he sold it ten days ago. He gave me the email of the person who bought it. I haven't contacted him, since i'm not sure how to dump, etc., so me contacting them would be relatively useless. I'm trying to help where I can (google stalking).

I have contacted butzchan with the info, but send me a PM if you would like the email address vactor gave me.


Thanks,

Matt


P.S.

This may already have been determined (either as right or wrong)... but aren't all reg keys and DLLs presented previous related to Windows Mobile's function of multiplexing GPS info to multiple applications? As in COM4 is not a GPS unit, but the GPS multiplexer?

[butzchan]

Thanks bigflavor. I sent an e-mail to him.

Any other leads? Anyone? Is this dead? Where are the two with the pre-production models that posted on a regular basis before we needed a rom dump?

[10332007]

They are busy with their normal lives. They will dump the rom when they get a chance.

[A.Bagatov]

Hope so.. im about to get a GPS receiver... but I don't know if I should wait for this internal GPS to work...

[bigflavor]

They are busy with their normal lives. They will dump the rom when they get a chance.

dood man... don't they underrrrstand?! wtf

[gs-ireland]

Hope so.. im about to get a GPS receiver... but I don't know if I should wait for this internal GPS to work...

How about offering the money to the first to crack the problem?

As there are around 15,000 viewers, surely at least 50 of them are in the market to buy a BT GPS receiver, so €50 x 50 = €2,500 ! (~$3500). That is a nice incentive!

[dilorenzo]

i offer 100 swiss francs (~89 USD) to the first who gets gps (suitable of course!) working with a production rom without modifying the hardware

payment via paypal or bank transfer (IBAN).

if enough people do join this campaign we can make it interesting for developers to find a solution, not?

[rakusson]

I am also willing to offer 100 Swedish Kroner (about 16 USD) who gets GPS (working) with a production ROM without modifying hardware (same term like previous user).

payment could be done through paypal or money transfer agency.

I hope there are some guys for the offer. Eventually, it'll benefit us.

[rooomish]

Thanks for offers. I made similar. What is new - today we obtained both ROMs, from preprod model with working GPS and actual with nonworking one. Now we have to wait for somebody, who will compare it and say the result - it is HW or SW problem. I am ready to donate also the clear HW way description - f.e. How opening your s730 and how to attach f.e. 3mm piece of wire to make the GPS aerial (antenna) :-).

[jockyw2001]

Thanks for offers. I made similar. What is new - today we obtained both ROMs, from preprod model with working GPS and actual with nonworking one. Now we have to wait for somebody, who will compare it and say the result - it is HW or SW problem. I am ready to donate also the clear HW way description - f.e. How opening your s730 and how to attach f.e. 3mm piece of wire to make the GPS aerial (antenna) :-).
Yes xactly! If I would have a s730, it would surely be open :)

[butzchan]

AWESOME!!!! jockyw2001, if you can get 3G on 850 and 1900 and GPS working, I will also follow in the footsteps of dilorenzo, rakusson, and roomish. I need 3G for AT&T. :-)

[asimolo76]

rooomish can you upload the two rom or you can send me its in pv ? thank's

[rooomish]

ftp://xdaupload:xda@ftp.xda-developers.com/Smartphone/Wings/ROM%20(Pre-production%20model)/S730_Pre_Prod.zip
ftp://ftp.xda-developers.com/Smartphone/Wings/ROM%20(Production%20model)/

[asimolo76]

sorry but the link of production s730 no is ok , denid permission.

Pre_production link ok !

thanks

[Zliver]

User: xdaupload
Pwd: xda

[rooomish]

ftp://xdaupload:xda@ftp.xda-developers.com/Smartphone/Wings/ROM%20(Production%20model)/ROM(productionModel).zip

[asimolo76]

No news? OK ... Now I have the two ROM .... How to open. "RAW" contained in ZIP to see the differences between the two ROM? I do not want to mount the pre rom production but I would change that production to enable the GPS.

Sorry for my bad English;)

From the we almost ...... Up with a small effort are confident that we will find the solution and then our s730 will be truly complete!

[amaric]

I am not sure if this is the right way to go, but this is what i was doing regarding this whole GPS thing:

I used ImgfsToDump.exe to extract files from Part02.raw from s730 production (pro), pre-production model (pre) and Kaiser.

I compared pro i pre exe and dll files. I found some files that are missing on pro model. So i was thinking, since kaiser and pre both have working gps, then, if the problem is with missing dll and/or exe files, i have to find files that pre have and pro doesn't and then, out of those files i have to find files that exists on Kaiser.

Guess what?I didn't find a single one that would match that criteria! (except filedtest.exe which is not related to gps)

So, is it possible that solution is in registry settings only?

[NoNco]

the same files are there, maybe there is a diff. between the actual files. Did you compare file size's etc.

Just an idea

[amaric]

Almost all files are different. I guess those are debug builds.

[el_lo]

the same files are there, maybe there is a diff. between the actual files. Did you compare file size's etc.

Just an idea

NoNco, here is what you asked for. I post it here so everybody can play with it.

These are all the files from pre-production rom (from Rafuz dump) related to GPS (that I know of :D)

I tried everything I could with these files, without results (one satelite or two hardly detected) so I think the next step is here : Jockyw2001 Radio Dump thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=359015)

[moneytoo]

Did anyone really see working internal GPS on the pre-production model?

[asimolo76]

Did anyone really see working internal GPS on the pre-production model?

Good question !!!! anyone ?

[gingerprince]

Good question !!!! anyone ?

and has anyone compared the hardware side-by-side to see whether there actually IS an antenna in production unit?

It seems to me that if there is any signal at all received, then the software must be there to support it - you don't have "weaker" drivers that aren't as good at picking up satellites - you either see them or you don't.

Given that people have had weak signals on 1-2 satellites, this seems to me that the software is there but the hardware antenna is not. Therefore you can hack ROMs as much as you like, you ain't gonna get a better signal.

I'd love to see this phone with GPS, but I really can't see it without a hardware de-crippling.

Thanks, HTC!

[spirravipdk]

I have an s730 and have isntalled the gpd test program, it start perfectly but i haven't see any signal at any time... but have a friend who also have an s730, he also installed the gps test tool and he gets 1 - 2 or 3 sats on the display some times, but we both have excactly the same ROM: 1.31.402.0 and the same Radio Version: 25.62.30.03H_1.58.17.02 but for some reason my s730 dosen't show anything even when we hold the phones 1 cm from eachother, excact same weather condition and no blocking or anything.. just no signal on my s730.... i find that wierd

[gs-ireland]

Member 'Vactor' says he has a GPS working pre-prod version !:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1633327&postcount=30

[10332007]

His Google Maps could be using the "my location" in stead of GPS.... Can hope he has working GPS but something in the post doesnt make me believe its full on GPS...

[Dazzer]

and has anyone compared the hardware side-by-side to see whether there actually IS an antenna in production unit?

It seems to me that if there is any signal at all received, then the software must be there to support it - you don't have "weaker" drivers that aren't as good at picking up satellites - you either see them or you don't.

Given that people have had weak signals on 1-2 satellites, this seems to me that the software is there but the hardware antenna is not. Therefore you can hack ROMs as much as you like, you ain't gonna get a better signal.

I'd love to see this phone with GPS, but I really can't see it without a hardware de-crippling.

Thanks, HTC!


I have been following these threads for a while now, as it was GPS that originally drew me to the s730, and I would definitely get one if it had it, if not, it will probably be a TyTN2/Kaiser.
(My old HTC Alpine/O2 XDA 2i is starting to show it's age)

On the note of taking one appart, obviously doing this with a working unit is a risk incase it breaks it.
I have seen this week on eBay an s730 with a cracked screen, but fully functional.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HTC-S730-Smartphone-Wings-Volans_W0QQitemZ290196831668QQihZ019QQcategoryZ331 2QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

If anyone were to buy this for the purposes of fixing themselves, just replacing the outer shell by the look of it, perhaps they would be willing to investigate the GPS antenna itself?

Unfortunately I do not have the funds currently to purchase one, getting through university is expensive enough, but it does have it's advantages.
As part of my degree I have done some work with hardware GPS receivers that simply output the NMEA strings (the chips built in to devices like Satnav and PDAs), and the type/quality of antenna attached does greatly affect the number of satellite locks the unit will obtain. When used without any antenna, it will detect some satellites, but not usually many.

What gingerprince has said makes sense, that if the software is able to detect 1 or 2 satellites, the GPS software in the ROM is itself functioning, but there is less signal reaching the chip, likely due to lack of antenna. To be specifically doing this in the ROM, allowing it to show satellites, but only a small selection of the ones currently 'visible' in the sky sounds like too much effort than simply not connecting an antenna.

Has anyone confirmed if only the 'strongest' satellites currently visible are being picked up by the device by doing a side to side comparison with a working GPS device (possibly even the Kaiser)? I have read through most of the threads here on s730 GPS, and do not recall seeing anyone perform this test.

I do remember even on some TomTom devices they list satellite identification numbers, positions and signal strengths in a status menu. If someone were able to access the same data on the satellites detected by an s730, and compared it to those picked up by a working device, it might prove the antenna theory.
I believe even the GPS Test utility (http://classic.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=24687&associateid=9) being used on the s730 for testing displays this information, listing the satellite ID number at the base of each signal strength bar.
If those with the strongest signal on the working device show up but with much weaker signal on the s730, this may hold more proof that it is a hardware issue (no antenna) and not a ROM/software issue.

Just thought I'd put my thoughts out there,
Darren.

[jockyw2001]

...I believe even the GPS Test utility (http://classic.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=24687&associateid=9) being used on the s730 for testing displays this information, listing the satellite ID number at the base of each signal strength bar.
If those with the strongest signal on the working device show up but with much weaker signal on the s730, this may hold more proof that it is a hardware issue (no antenna) and not a ROM/software issue.

Just thought I'd put my thoughts out there,
Darren.
Your thoughts are nothing new, it's all been said.
There are 2 ways to proof if it is hw (most likely antenna) or sw: 1. open the pre and prod hw and compare; 2. flash pre sw to a prod
Since so far no one has tried 1. which I can understand, full attention is given to 2.

[dohnutts]

Has anyone confirmed if only the 'strongest' satellites currently visible are being picked up by the device by doing a side to side comparison with a working GPS device (possibly even the Kaiser)? I have read through most of the threads here on s730 GPS, and do not recall seeing anyone perform this test.



I've compared 'GPS Test' beside a TyTN II, the TyTN II found satellites (5-7) within a minute. My S730 did not see any at all at that moment.

[NoNco]

hehe, yeap i think no one wants to see there money going down the drain when the screw driver slips and makes a hole some place.

Surly as you say if its an antena that is missing you would get one or 2 sats, but as far as i can see the one sat i ever gets is always in the N position and the meter is always the same, never goes up or down. Iv even had it comming up 2 floors down in the ground with no windows.

[jweekhout]

about the missing antenna or a bad reception
there are GPS signal repeaters on the market, maybe somebody can
test it in combination with the S730

[boggle]

The important thing to remember is that COM4 is NOT the hardware, it the Microsoft Intermediate GPS driver. Using the HTCGPSTest tool on my S730 to compare the output from a Holux bluetooth connected receiver on COM6 and the "internal" GPS on COM4 it's clear that the data received on COM4 is NOT true GPS data at all. I can "see" up to three satellites at a time on COM4 but their IDs do not correspond with strongest signals received by the Holux (which you would expect if this was just a missing antenna issue). In fact, a couple of the IDs that appear on COM4 don't appear on the Holux at all (and it sees 10 or more satellites with varying signal strengths).

Additionally, if you look at the raw NMEA messages received on COM4 there is no GPS data in there at all. All this leads me to think that the intermediate driver is not "connected" the hardware GPS at all and it's the low-level hardware driver that's missing or disabled. I guess until someone takes the plunge and flashs the pre-prod rom to their S730 we'll never know.

[jockyw2001]

I guess until someone takes the plunge and flashs the pre-prod rom to their S730 we'll never know.
I'm sure many want to take the plunge, but for that an official RUU is needed which isn't available yet.

[Dazzer]

The important thing to remember is that COM4 is NOT the hardware, it the Microsoft Intermediate GPS driver. Using the HTCGPSTest tool on my S730 to compare the output from a Holux bluetooth connected receiver on COM6 and the "internal" GPS on COM4 it's clear that the data received on COM4 is NOT true GPS data at all. I can "see" up to three satellites at a time on COM4 but their IDs do not correspond with strongest signals received by the Holux (which you would expect if this was just a missing antenna issue). In fact, a couple of the IDs that appear on COM4 don't appear on the Holux at all (and it sees 10 or more satellites with varying signal strengths).

Additionally, if you look at the raw NMEA messages received on COM4 there is no GPS data in there at all. All this leads me to think that the intermediate driver is not "connected" the hardware GPS at all and it's the low-level hardware driver that's missing or disabled. I guess until someone takes the plunge and flashs the pre-prod rom to their S730 we'll never know.

Ok, that clarifies what I was asking earlier, no longer sounds like an antenna issue, as it is sounding like the GPSTest tool is receiving false data on satellites that do not exist.
I'm definitely surprised at the length HTC seem to have gone to to disable GPS in this handset, when it is part of the core processor itself in the device.

Hopefully you experts will be able to figure this out. I wouldn't know where to begin if I got one of these handsets now, and would probably brick it somehow, as this goes way above my level of experience with software. I'd consider taking the device apart to attach an antenna or modify the hardware, but that is looking less necessary now.

I'll definitely keep following this closely,
keep up the good work :)

[Philip78]

Ok, that clarifies what I was asking earlier, no longer sounds like an antenna issue, as it is sounding like the GPSTest tool is receiving false data on satellites that do not exist.
I'm definitely surprised at the length HTC seem to have gone to to disable GPS in this handset, when it is part of the core processor itself in the device.


Looking at Qualcomm diagram, there is actually a passive component between the processor and the radio chip that could save them some money too.
Could remove the 3 bottom screws with a Torx6 but nothing is coming, all I can figure next is declipping the keyboard :eek: but I am not ready for that yet !

[NoNco]

maybe we should do a quick wip around for some cash and hire some big dude to go knock on HTC's door and ask some questions and wait there for replys, hehehe

[Bohica84]

HKLM\\Drivers\BuiltIn\GPSID\;key or value path
HKLM\\Drivers\BuiltIn\GPSID\Dll;data
HKLM\\Drivers\BuiltIn\RIL\AGPSNVSetting;value name
HKLM\\Drivers\Active\50\Key;data
HKLM\\Drivers\Active\51\Key;data
HKLM\\Software\HTC\Camera\Image\GpsSaveFolder_040E ;value name
HKLM\\Software\HTC\Camera\Image\GpsSaveFolder_0418 ;value name
HKLM\\Software\HTC\Camera\Image\GpsSaveFolder_0816 ;value name
HKLM\\Software\HTC\Camera\Image\GpsSaveFolder_0405 ;value name
HKLM\\Software\HTC\Camera\Image\GpsSaveFolder_0809 ;value name
HKLM\\Software\HTC\Camera\Image\GpsSaveFolder_0415 ;value name
HKLM\\Software\HTC\Camera\Image\GpsSaveFolder_0409 ;value name
HKLM\\Software\HTC\Camera\Image\GpsSaveFolder_0408 ;value name
HKLM\\Software\HTC\Camera\Image\GpsSaveFolder_041F ;value name
HKLM\\Software\HTC\Camera\Image\GpsSaveFolder_0413 ;value name
HKLM\\Software\HTC\Camera\Image\GpsSaveFolder_041B ;value name
HKLM\\Software\HTC\Camera\Image\GpsPrefixString;va lue name
HKLM\\Software\HTC\Camera\Image\GpsPrefixString;da ta
HKLM\\Software\HTC\Camera\Recparam\3GPSmall\;key or value path
HKLM\\Software\HTC\Camera\General\MaximalGPSInitia lTime;value name
HKLM\\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS_CHIP;value name Data ---> 0
HKLM\\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS_TESTMODE;value nam Data ---> 4294967295
HKLM\\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\;key or value path
HKLM\\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\OldLogFile;data
HKLM\\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\CurrentLogFile;data
HKLM\\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers\;key or value path
HKLM\\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers\CurrentDriver;data
HKLM\\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers\GPSOnePort\;key or value path
HKLM\\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers\GPSOnePort\FriendlyName;data
HKLM\\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers\GPSOneEmulate\;key or value path
HKLM\\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers\GPSOneEmulate\Filex;data
HKLM\\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers\GPSOneEmulate\FriendlyName;data
HKLM\\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers\GPSOneDevice\;key or value path
HKLM\\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers\GPSOneDevice\FriendlyName;data
HKLM\\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Multiplexer\;key or value path
HKLM\\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Multiplexer\ActiveDevice\;key or value path
HKLM\\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Multiplexer\ActiveDevice\Dll;data
HKLM\\Software\HTC\SUPL AGPS\;key or value path
HKLM\\Software\HTC\SUPL AGPS\EnableAGPS;value name Data ---> 0
HKLM\\Software\HTC\SUPL AGPS\GPSMode;value name Data ---> 0
HKLM\\Services\GPSDaemonService\;key or value path
HKLM\\Services\GPSDaemonService\Description;data
HKLM\\Services\GPSDaemonService\DisplayName;data
HKLM\\Services\GPSDaemonService\Dll;data


This is the Registry Search from my S730 Prod. Model
Maybe you guys can do something with it.

[Dumdidum]

Just got a Pre-Production Model and....... Got a GPS-Fix :-)
COM4...
But this ROM ist very unstable. But dont want to update, dont know if I will loose the GPS :-)

Would be a nice test, if it's Hardware or Software-Related... but got no balls :-p

[10332007]

Shouldnt you be able to make a backup of your current Pre Prod rom and then do the update? That way if you do lose GPS you can just roll back to the current one.

[moneytoo]

More importantly Dumdidum should dump the radio.

[Dumdidum]

Tell me how exactly and you get it...
Google maps is working too with GPS on my device

[moneytoo]

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=359015

[bigflavor]

Just got a Pre-Production Model and....... Got a GPS-Fix :-)
COM4...
But this ROM ist very unstable. But dont want to update, dont know if I will loose the GPS :-)

Would be a nice test, if it's Hardware or Software-Related... but got no balls :-p

Dumdidum, please do us a favor and install the Microsoft GPS Intermediary Driver config utility (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=358482) (it's released by Microsoft), and run it to see what the hardware COM port is.

[asimolo76]

http://www.modaco.com/index.php?showtopic=262074&pid=859199&mode=threaded&start=


help us ?

[Bohica84]

Just Contacted HTC about the GPS function on the S730 and this is what they say::(:(:mad:


Good Morning

As far as I am aware the processor in the S730 has a GPS feature built into the phone as standard but the phone does not contain gps antenna therefore it would not pick up a signal.

Thank you for your enquiry, Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at http://www.europe.htc.com/support/csbyphone.html

Best regards,
Peter Baker
HTC Europe
callservice@htceurope.com
http://www.htc.com

[butzchan]

Just Contacted HTC about the GPS function on the S730 and this is what they say::(:(:mad:


Good Morning

As far as I am aware the processor in the S730 has a GPS feature built into the phone as standard but the phone does not contain gps antenna therefore it would not pick up a signal.

Thank you for your enquiry, Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at http://www.europe.htc.com/support/csbyphone.html

Best regards,
Peter Baker
HTC Europe
callservice@htceurope.com
http://www.htc.com

Conflicting information from HTC. I was told that the hardware for the pre-production and post production was the same.

[Bohica84]

Conflicting information from HTC. I was told that the hardware for the pre-production and post production was the same.

I'm going to e-mail them again ;)

E-mail sent !

[rooomish]

It is normal. I have received the information from "company tech experts" with zero validity already. Well, after returning from my holidays and checking the forums, it sounds me good the info that "week GPS" signal on COM4 is in different format comparing to working s730 = no antenna but SW problem (I hope :D)

[bigflavor]

http://www.modaco.com/index.php?showtopic=262074&pid=859199&mode=threaded&start= help us ?

Thanks for the sharing. This is just a program to configure the GPSID. Microsoft already has a program.


Also, if the internal GPS is live (regardless of if it has an antenna) you should be able to "bridge" it using the GPSID configuration tool. Shoot the moon. You'll quickly see there is no device on any COM port. Therefore it's not configured. I'm skeptical about the antenna missing. Do GPS chips even need an antenna? :) Regardless, we need to make sure the device is actually installed and configured (in the system, aka drivers) before we go swallowing these claims willy-nilly.

Yes, I just used willy-nilly.

[NoNco]

I emailed Qualcomm a few days ago asking them if the Qualcomm MSM 7200 chip needs an antena or if its built in. No reply, maybe someone else can mail them as well.

[asimolo76]

I have send email to htc support ..... i'm waiting for the replay ......

[Alcaline]

Isnt this problem as simple as just loading a pre production rom on to a production modell, and se if GPS works?

[butzchan]

Isnt this problem as simple as just loading a pre production rom on to a production modell, and se if GPS works?

Yes, but for that I believe that we need a RUU from HTC.

[BugBoy]

As jockyw2001 also wrote: We need pics of the inside of S730, both pre-production (with antenna) and current production model/or service manuals of Kaiser and s730.
My S730 died yesterday, so it will probably be opened to find out what happened. I willt try to make some pictures of the inside.

[pcmann2004]

hey there,
i have a t mobile wing from htc
i really dont know what its model num is,
it is loaded with wm6 i read that this phone has no gps, external needed.
can someone confirm that this phone has no gps hardware what so ever, if it does how would i be able to access and use it with google maps or pocket maps

sry for the noob quest
thanx

[rooomish]

My S730 died yesterday, so it will probably be opened to find out what happened. I willt try to make some pictures of the inside.

BugBoy - super and thank you! Do you have production model? If yes, than wee have to wait also for the prepro model.

What is also important. I know that for the first time you could make the wrong steps during disassembling. But after the opening the device it is clear how to do it in better way next time. So, based on this experience try to describe the proper way of disassembling the s730.

Maybe it will help to you - the manual for s710.
http://michael-channon.spaces.live.com/?_c11_BlogPart_BlogPart=blogview&_c=BlogPart&partqs=cat%3dDownload%2bHTC%2bService%2bManuals

Thanks a lot

regards
R.

[Bohica84]

This is the answer I got from HTC Europe And US,



Thank you for contacting HTC Europe regarding a query about the gps in the s730

As my collegue said, there is no GPS antena built in the model. You will need to get one of those in order to use the GPS function.

Also you need to get a satelite navigator software.

Hope this will answer you question but feel free to contact us using the following ref.: 080117EM23140024


Should you have any other query, please do not hesitate to call us. Your local number can be found at: http://www.europe.htc.com/support/csbyphone.html

Kind Regards,


Daniel Villa A
HTC Data Support Engineer
callservice@htceurope.com - HYPERLINK "file://www.htc.com"www.htc.com

[jockyw2001]

Good to know, but are we absolutely sure? :D

[rooomish]

....Hope this will answer you question but feel free to contact us using the following ref.: 080117EM23140024


Should you have any other query, please do not hesitate to call us. Your local number can be found at: http://www.europe.htc.com/support/csbyphone.html

Kind Regards,...



Maybe you can use their offer and put a question, how antenna looks like and where has to be connected :-).

[rooomish]

I have a friend that works on repairing GPS capable devices from E-Ten and HTC (for Czech and Slovak mobile operators). I try to reach him but cant promise anything.

Hi Moneytoo. Is anything new? Did you try to ask him for service manual (if exist) for s730 (or for Kaiser (antenna and position)?

[Bohica84]

Good to know, but are we absolutely sure? :D

Only 1 way to find out right??

[Bohica84]

@ Rooomish
E-Mail sent :-)

[10332007]

Still sounds a little weird to me that they would take the extra time and money to take the antena off of these chips when they are the same as on the other device.

[NoNco]

As my collegue said, there is no GPS antena built in the model. You will need to get one of those in order to use the GPS function.

[/email] - HYPERLINK "file://www.htc.com"www.htc.com

yeah deff. mail back and ask for more info, ie where to find anten, manual etc.

[shadow2000]

@ Rooomish
E-Mail sent :-)

Damn i'd like to hear something new about this thread :cool:

[joy.d]

hehe :-) how not?

[qumran]

The discussion continues here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361322

[Bohica84]

Damn i'd like to hear something new about this thread :cool:

Thank you for your enquiry concerning your HTC S730 device.

We are sorry to hear that you are having problems with your device.? As we do not support GPS on this device, we can not tell you how to connect the GPS antenna to it.? Please contact HYPERLINK "file://www.expansys.com"www.expansys.com and HYPERLINK "file://www.tomtom.com"www.tomtom.com for further help.


Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at http://www.europe.htc.com/support/csbyphone.html

Best regards,
Freyja
HTC Support
callservice@htceurope.com
http://www.htc.com

[NoNco]

Im not even sure that anyone is actually talking to HTC. Iv also tried to make some sense of stuff through emails to them.

Got a reply from HTC and later got a reply about a ticket being closed from @support.wdsglobal.com. Seems to me they are using a compay to handle there support so all we'll probably get is the text book reply from them all the time.

oh well my 2 cents for today...

[jkiller122]

does anybody know how to activate a gps on the t-mobile wing

[10332007]

Hmm, if its not enabled by default from the manufacturer then its not likely anyone here (unless they have the handset or one similar) will be able to help. The T-Mobile Wing forum might know if there is a way.

If it comes enabled on the chip then you just need a program to turn it on (usually comes on the phones?) or you can download GPS-Test for free. Load it up and when you have a good lock you can fire up google maps or something similar.