free RAM in your Wings ?

[stesa]

how many Mb of free RAM do you have on your wings after a reboot ?

[moneytoo]

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7709/screen003ee8.png

Isnt it sad? I have restarted my phone and was reading morning news for a while... I have only 15 MB free after start up (some process in background). I often get out of memory exception, programs cant paint graphics (can only acces menu), programs closing after while. :mad: My older smartphone (Qtek 8500) has much bigger RAM.
I have to have several restarts a day.

[stesa]

I believe its a real shame on htc :(

[oddball1]

I have program 15.29mb and storage 18.87mb

[oddball1]

what do yyou have installed that you have only 2mb free ram?

[moneytoo]

what do yyou have installed that you have only 2mb free ram?

Just run and close Resco Explorer, Gentimer and few other programs. Then checked mails and started read rss and open links in internet explorer.

[A.Bagatov]

I have like 12MB free after restart- DontForget 2.0 is in the autostart, that's it


It's so damn sad. Is there gonna be a solution?! :(

[oddball1]

I install most of the programs on my storage card and why would you have all that open at one time? close it when you are finished and open another one!!!

[oddball1]

after hardreset, and the first time you you see my today screen, after 3 seconds the phone will start to install application. well I soft reset my phone before that and so I end up with more free space!

[ventipi]

Is this a problem? Was just thinking about getting one but i don't like this RAM issue.

Is it a problem at all?

[zebra333]

well it's an issue to me, not being able to launch as many apps as I used to launch with my vox is a real problem. Especially since i'm a big messenger user so I have to let skype and IM+ running in background all the time.

As there is no such thing as ram extention in this kind of phone, I'm considering returning the phone. Which is a shame because apart from that i'm quite happy with it.

[rooomish]

I fount this!

nicname: 10332007 wrote:
It is definately a must have. The memory clear tool works like a charm. Using the built in task manager it clears me up from 3 - 5 megs after some heavy use in many programs. Right after that I went into its memory cleaner and it put me up to 15 free in less than a second. Not a lot free but its just about as high as anyone has seen which makes it very usable. And SK tools has a bunch of other really good built in tools.



I'll mirror it for a little while and edit in a link to where I downloaded it from. I am heading out and dont have the time to dig it up right now.

http://www.ripskin.net/sktoolslite.exe thats the exe off my hdd which I used to install, hope that helps. Must have application for everyone.

[A.Bagatov]

Isn't this function already in the SmartToolKit?

[10332007]

Isn't this function already in the SmartToolKit?

It looks like that has a built in task manager that is performing better than the stock one from what other users have said, (about the alpha 4 version) However it could work better if not just as well as the one I posted about in that other forum.

The biggest difference I can see between the two applications is Smart Toolkit looks like more of a GUI update to windows with a possible update to how task manager works. SkTools is just a program designed to clean up the phone, registry, memory, space and such by finding things your phone doesnt need and deleting them.

I just found an updated release from Nov 13th which I might download and put on to see how well it works Being able to organize my start menu would greatly help lol, the default is such a disorganized mess.

[madferret]

I fount this!
http://www.ripskin.net/sktoolslite.exe thats the exe off my hdd which I used to install, hope that helps. Must have application for everyone.

I agree! The 'official' version is here: http://s-k-tools.com/sktools/sktoolslite.zip

I've put a link to the FreeUP RAM app in my start menu and use Auto SoftReset to reboot the phone at 3am every day. Seems to be working ok - when I unlock the phone in the morning it reports around 17MB free after cleaning things up.

I've had a few lockups though - usually when trying to set up Facade or Papyrus. I think I'll leave them off for now. It's a shame - except for this, and the restrictive OS compared to PPC (or WM6 Pro or whatever it's called today), it's a great phone! Having HSDPA is brill!

[A.Bagatov]

This is NOT a solution. Can this issue be solved with ROM update?

[Belaial]

This is NOT a solution. Can this issue be solved with ROM update?

I rly rly rly hope so, I so wanna buy this phone but I cant let myself do that while this RAM issue is there, I prolly gonna wanna run alot of programs at the same time so... :o

[solrog]

Hi. I'm having the same RAM issues, but how much free RAM is smartphones supposed to have? It's annoying having to think about having enough memory all the time.

[moneytoo]

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/moneytoo/Screen001-1.png update... http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/moneytoo/Screen003.png

tweaking in progress... :) (it could be even a bit higher but the screenshot software and task manager take some memory)

[butzchan]

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/moneytoo/Screen001-1.png

tweaking in progress... :) (it could be even a bit higher but the screenshot software and task manager take some memory)

Nice! Keep us posted. :)

[A.Bagatov]

money2 is da best :cool:

[Belaial]

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/moneytoo/Screen001-1.png update... http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/moneytoo/Screen003.png

tweaking in progress... :) (it could be even a bit higher but the screenshot software and task manager take some memory)

Keep on going dude! You are getting my hops up for ever getting me one of these phones! :D

[moneytoo]

What the hell? The Wings kills the programs even if there's only one application running!

I restart my phone, open Internet Explorer and load any page (lets say Google homepage). Now I switch back to homescreen and lock the keypad.
Five minutes later I unlock the keyboard and see the IE isnt running anymore. Now Im really pissed... :mad:

Or is this a feature of WM?

EDIT: I have just tested the same thing with Vox and its ok on Vox. Something is rotten in the Wings...? Seems it is...

EDIT2: Sorry, my bad... I was trying to increase the memory performance so I changed some registry value (lowmem). After return the orinal value the IE is not closing itself.

[welshbloke70]

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/moneytoo/Screen001-1.png update... http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff62/moneytoo/Screen003.png

tweaking in progress... :) (it could be even a bit higher but the screenshot software and task manager take some memory)

Are you managing what services are running or changing the page pool size?

Good work either way, share soon?

[moneytoo]

Some info from DevHealth, after reset, nothing in StartUp... (I will compare it with S710 tomorrow or so)

Bootup Time Markers (Milliseconds):

Available RAM on boot = 17936384
Calupd: Exiting = 73102
Initialized appt ssupdate = 73094
Initialized msgcount ssupdate = 73042
SSUpdate: Thread now in message loop = 72595
Calupd: Starting = 71828
SSUpdate: Shell Ready = 71744
Start Menu Icons Fetched = 58620
Appman: Finished Fetching Icons = 58225
Appman: Started Fetching Icons = 40798
Home Painted = 40638
Cprog: Done Booting = 37978
Last Boot Type = 2



System Memory Report
====================


Page Size: 4096


| Pages | Size (bytes) | Size (MB) | Address
Total Storage (Flash) | 33803 | 138457088 | 132.04 | n/a
Available Storage | 24010 | 98347008 | 93.79 | n/a
Used Storage | 9792 | 40110080 | 38.25 | n/a


Physical RAM (sources breakdown) | 12852 | 52641792 | 50.20 | n/a
Main Memory | 12852 | 52641792 | 50.20 | 0x802cc000 - 0x834fffff

Physical RAM (consumers breakdown) | 12852 | 52641792 | 50.20 | n/a
Kernel Prealloc. | 51 | 208896 | 0.20 | 0x802cc000 - 0x802fefff
Paging Pool | 1542 | 6316032 | 6.02 | 0x802ff000 - 0x80904fff
Kernel RAM Map | 1 | 4096 | 0.00 | 0x80905000 - 0x80905fff
Watson Size | 32 | 131072 | 0.13 | 0x834e0000 - 0x834fffff
Overhead | 3 | 12288 | 0.01 | n/a
Object Store | 64 | 262144 | 0.25 | n/a
Program Memory | 11159 | 45707264 | 43.59 | n/a
AVAILABLE PROGRAM MEMORY | 4293 | 17584128 | 16.77 | n/a
USED PROGRAM MEMORY | 6866 | 28123136 | 26.82 | n/a
Kernel Objects | 411 | 1683456 | 1.61 | n/a
Misc | 125 | 512000 | 0.49 | n/a
Programs | 6330 | 25927680 | 24.73 | n/a
(S) Stack | 472 | 1933312 | 1.84 | n/a
(H) Heap | 2167 | 8876032 | 8.46 | n/a
(E) EXE Data | 233 | 954368 | 0.91 | n/a
(D) DLL Data | 2332 | 9551872 | 9.11 | n/a
(c) Code RAM | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | n/a
Process | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | n/a
Module | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | n/a
(r) Read only RAM | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | n/a
Process | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | n/a
Module | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | n/a
Map/Shared | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | n/a
(W) Read/Write RAM | 1126 | 4612096 | 4.40 | n/a
Process | 326 | 1335296 | 1.27 | n/a
Module | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | n/a
Map/Shared | 800 | 3276800 | 3.13 | n/a



EDIT:

Ok, here's 710 (Vox).

Bootup Time Markers (Milliseconds):

Available RAM on boot = 29224960
Calupd: Exiting = 74866
Initialized appt ssupdate = 74832
Initialized msgcount ssupdate = 74772
SSUpdate: Thread now in message loop = 74087
Calupd: Starting = 73304
SSUpdate: Shell Ready = 73198
Start Menu Icons Fetched = 60668
Appman: Finished Fetching Icons = 60391
Appman: Started Fetching Icons = 45277
Home Painted = 45237
Cprog: Done Booting = 41460
Last Boot Type = 2



System Memory Report
====================


Page Size: 4096


| Pages | Size (bytes) | Size (MB) | Address
Total Storage (Flash) | 15084 | 61786112 | 58.92 | n/a
Available Storage | 6024 | 24676352 | 23.53 | n/a
Used Storage | 9060 | 37109760 | 35.39 | n/a


Physical RAM (sources breakdown) | 14524 | 59490304 | 56.73 | n/a
Main Memory | 14524 | 59490304 | 56.73 | 0x8c344000 - 0x8fbfffff

Physical RAM (consumers breakdown) | 14524 | 59490304 | 56.73 | n/a
Kernel Prealloc. | 276 | 1130496 | 1.08 | 0x8c344000 - 0x8c457fff
Paging Pool | 1542 | 6316032 | 6.02 | 0x8c458000 - 0x8ca5dfff
Kernel RAM Map | 1 | 4096 | 0.00 | 0x8ca5e000 - 0x8ca5efff
Watson Size | 75 | 307200 | 0.29 | 0x8fbb5000 - 0x8fbfffff
Overhead | 4 | 16384 | 0.02 | n/a
Object Store | 8 | 32768 | 0.03 | n/a
Program Memory | 12618 | 51683328 | 49.29 | n/a
AVAILABLE PROGRAM MEMORY | 7076 | 28983296 | 27.64 | n/a
USED PROGRAM MEMORY | 5542 | 22700032 | 21.65 | n/a
Kernel Objects | 331 | 1355776 | 1.29 | n/a
Misc | 82 | 335872 | 0.32 | n/a
Programs | 5129 | 21008384 | 20.04 | n/a
(S) Stack | 365 | 1495040 | 1.43 | n/a
(H) Heap | 1870 | 7659520 | 7.30 | n/a
(E) EXE Data | 24 | 98304 | 0.09 | n/a
(D) DLL Data | 588 | 2408448 | 2.30 | n/a
(c) Code RAM | 619 | 2535424 | 2.42 | n/a
Process | 226 | 925696 | 0.88 | n/a
Module | 393 | 1609728 | 1.54 | n/a
(r) Read only RAM | 289 | 1183744 | 1.13 | n/a
Process | 19 | 77824 | 0.07 | n/a
Module | 53 | 217088 | 0.21 | n/a
Map/Shared | 217 | 888832 | 0.85 | n/a
(W) Read/Write RAM | 1374 | 5627904 | 5.37 | n/a
Process | 91 | 372736 | 0.36 | n/a
Module | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | n/a
Map/Shared | 1283 | 5255168 | 5.01 | n/a

[moneytoo]

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5340/screen002wg2.png http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/6075/screen001vs7.png

This is what happens to me all the time. I close Internet Explorer / SPB Insight using task manager (or is closed by system because of the low memory). But instead of freeing the RAM, the application disappers from tasks and is visible as process. I still can close the process but list of running processes load only when there is enough of free RAM.
So what does it means? Is this behavior normal or is it memory leak or something...?

[moneytoo]

HTC finally noticed.

I have finally heard back from HTC on this as of yesterday, below is there response, verbatim. I am hopeful that we get a fix soon, but am still not sure they completely get it.


"Thank you for contacting HTC Europe regarding a query about the memory error.


This is now a known issue on which we are working to find a solution.


At the moment I could suggest you to perform a hard reset and keep aware of what could be causing the problem."


http://www.modaco.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=262950&view=findpost&p=871726

[TCreed]

Didn't see anyone mention it but I did this ROM update to get more memory on my Wing. Was getting tired of not being able to launch my camera if I hadn't reset my phone in a while. It doesn't help "that" much but gave me about 8-12MB extra.


EDIT - This link is for T-Mobile Wing and not the HTC Wing. Sorry for the mixup. http://www.modaco.com/content/Daily/256280/Pauls-guide-to-changing-the-HTC-Touch-T-Mobile-Wing-PagePool-size/

[moneytoo]

This discussion is about HTC Wings, not T-Mobile Wing. There is no ROM update for Wings yet.

[TCreed]

This discussion is about HTC Wings, not T-Mobile Wing. There is no ROM update for Wings yet.

My apologies. I was thinking they were the same device.