Partially solved; Orbit 2 (Polaris) WLAN soooooo slow

[Olioaglio]

Hi,

got my new "toy" yesterday and i am very amazed but I
noticed a major problem with Wireless LAN today.
If I connect to my router by WPA PSK encryption (54M)
I have a constand data throughput of just 160kbit/s
(20,8KB/s). This is stable as rock but soooooo slow.
I had an Artemis and a Trion before and both connected
fine with normal data speed while copying to Desktop PC
with Resco Explorer. This one doesn't. I mean, this is
just 0,16Mbit/s :eek:

Any suggestions to solve this problem, anyone?

I have to say, that I canceled the O2 customization, as
I don't wanted lots of O2 crap on my phone. So I hope
there is no WLAN fix cab or such in the ExtRom which
wasn't installed. Anyone can post the content of the
O2 German Extrom which is normally installed after first
boot?

Cheers, Olioaglio

UPDATE: See post #18 for news!!

[ianl8888]

I have no answer as I still have the P3650 on back-order.

But this is exactly the sort of post we need - how does the Polaris actually perform ??

If the WLAN on the P3650 really has such a problem (and I will say quite readily that my P3600i does NOT) then I will rethink the expenditure of $850 or so

And I'm very interested in the TTFF for the GPS and how the AGPS actually works - is there a simple weekly download of the ephemeris data file ?

[Pawel062]

I have no answer as I still have the P3650 on back-order.

But this is exactly the sort of post we need - how does the Polaris actually perform ??

If the WLAN on the P3650 really has such a problem (and I will say quite readily that my P3600i does NOT) then I will rethink the expenditure of $850 or so

And I'm very interested in the TTFF for the GPS and how the AGPS actually works - is there a simple weekly download of the ephemeris data file ?

dont worry if wlan is bad me and the team will find a way to fix it.

[ianl8888]

Thank you for the reassurance.

It seems likely I have some 3-4 weeks or so before D(ecision)-day, so perhaps some accurate answers to the hard questions will be available by then.

[srmz]

Thanks for pointing out and as someone said we need to point out the weaknesses more than the strengths.

Presently I have a Kaiser and the only reason I am looking towards the Cruise is that the EDGE connection on my Kaiser is terribly slow. I can barely manage 100kbs while putting the same SIM in my Touch gives me 200kbs.

So I will keep a watch on this because I don't want to get out of my EDGE problem and get trapped with the WLAN problem.

Thanks once again for pointing out

[ianl8888]

Yes, there seems to be a number of devices now out there in member's hands. How do these devices actually perform in real day-to-day use ?

And I still hope someone will comment on:

"And I'm very interested in the TTFF for the GPS and how the AGPS actually works - is there a simple weekly download of the ephemeris data file ?"

[Olioaglio]

Yes, there seems to be a number of devices now out there in member's hands. How do these devices actually perform in real day-to-day use ?

And I still hope someone will comment on:

"And I'm very interested in the TTFF for the GPS and how the AGPS actually works - is there a simple weekly download of the ephemeris data file ?"

Performance is quite good, also battery life is amazing for a 400Mhz device.
QuickGPS is onboard and works quite fine.

AGPS?

I hate Biotouch and the cube also :rolleyes:
Would love to get rid of it and use the smooth FtouchFlo instead.
PocketCM also seem to conflict with the Biotouch.dll
Runs by far not so smooth as before on the Artemis and Hermes.

Pawel, any suggestions?

Regards,
Olioaglio

[Jim Chapman]

To answer the question about "... the TTFF for the GPS and how the AGPS actually works ...", the manual has a section on the subject:
11.2 Downloading Satellite Data via QuickGPS
...
QuickGPS downloads ephemeris data from a Web server, instead of from the satellites, using the Internet connection on your device, which can be via ActiveSync or 3G/GPRS. This significantly speeds up the time for determining your GPS position.

It looks like you can set it up to automatically download every six days if that's what you need.

The manual's been posted on the HTC website, at http://www.htc.com/support/support_htctouchcruise.htm

Cheers,

Jim

[Pawel062]

Performance is quite good, also battery life is amazing for a 400Mhz device.
QuickGPS is onboard and works quite fine.

AGPS?

I hate Biotouch and the cube also :rolleyes:
Would love to get rid of it and use the smooth FtouchFlo instead.
PocketCM also seem to conflict with the Biotouch.dll
Runs by far not so smooth as before on the Artemis and Hermes.

Pawel, any suggestions?

Regards,
Olioaglio

i thought there was a reg edit to turn off cube and touchflo. hmm about pocketcm i guess ask creator whichni havent see in a while. like i said, any problems we will try to fix. first get me a device :p

[Pawel062]

To answer the question about "... the TTFF for the GPS and how the AGPS actually works ...", the manual has a section on the subject:
11.2 Downloading Satellite Data via QuickGPS
...
QuickGPS downloads ephemeris data from a Web server, instead of from the satellites, using the Internet connection on your device, which can be via ActiveSync or 3G/GPRS. This significantly speeds up the time for determining your GPS position.

It looks like you can set it up to automatically download every six days if that's what you need.

The manual's been posted on the HTC website, at http://www.htc.com/support/support_htctouchcruise.htm

Cheers,

Jim
correct except on my athena its every 3 days. it comes in handy but so does this thing being sirf3. i had it side by side with a tomtom1 and this thing is much more accurate and better. hopefully polaris is as good as athena.

[ianl8888]

Thanks to those who've responded.

[ianl8888]

Jim

Thanks for your reply - it's exactly what I wanted to know. QuickGPS and A(ssisted)GPS are the same thing, for my purposes.

Charged battery life is an unexpected and pleasant surprise. I too had expected mediocre performance and had wondered if a more powerful 3rd party battery was maybe available. Perhpas this is not needed (so I'll stop trawling the Net for it).

No comment yet on GSM/GPRS/EDGE/3G/UTMS/HSDPA performance ?

So far, comments on actual performance are encouraging.

[qtek_metanol]

the WLAN is not only slow but also unable to reconnect, I have over and over some problems to reconnct to my WLAN after the phone goes standby. I'm checking the configuration to see what it is.

[jym04]

To answer the question about "... the TTFF for the GPS and how the AGPS actually works ...", the manual has a section on the subject:
11.2 Downloading Satellite Data via QuickGPS
...
QuickGPS downloads ephemeris data from a Web server, instead of from the satellites, using the Internet connection on your device, which can be via ActiveSync or 3G/GPRS. This significantly speeds up the time for determining your GPS position.

It looks like you can set it up to automatically download every six days if that's what you need.

The manual's been posted on the HTC website, at http://www.htc.com/support/support_htctouchcruise.htm

Cheers,

Jim

Actually, QuickGPS and A-GPS are two different things.

QuickGPS downloads some information about satellites which will help your device to determine your position faster.

Assisted GPS is a feature which uses cell towers to assist your device when you are in an area with poor signal, like surrounded by buildings or trees, or in a tunnel. It may triangulate your position based on the distance to the cell tower.

[ianl8888]

This is edited because at the moment I'm getting double posts when I submit one.

[ianl8888]

Thank you for your comment. I'm well aware of the differences - the cell phone version is not yet implemented here in Aus (and is unlikely to be for some years).

The ephemeris data from QuickGPS is kindly reported here as working very well, and is well and truly sufficient for me. Reports on actual TTFF here are encouraging, but the slow WLAN is not so good.

[Pawel062]

donate to the polaris project guys. link for donations is going up in a few min. once the money for mine and olipros device is in. we will release hardspl, the cooked rom, and work on the wlan issue. who knows it might be fixed in my cooked rom. im usually good at fixing problems without even knowing :p

[Olioaglio]

UPDATE: For me it turned out, that setting the slider for
WLAN power to performance mode instead of moderate
or battery optimized solves the problem of speed lack.
In performance mode I achieve speeds of roundabout
400kb/s or 3,2Mbit/s which is acceptable.

Nonetheless at least with my router it is nearly impossible
to establish a wlan connection with WPA-PSK enabled.
Tried to completely disable encryption and then the
device connects lightning fast without problems. With
WPA turned on, nearly no chance. Tried this with another
router and there's NO problem even with enabled WPA :eek:

Seems a router replacement is needed :rolleyes:

Olioaglio

[Pawel062]

UPDATE: For me it turned out, that setting the slider for
WLAN power to performance mode instead of moderate
or battery optimized solves the problem of speed lack.
In performance mode I achieve speeds of roundabout
400kb/s or 3,2Mbit/s which is acceptable.

Nonetheless at least with my router it is nearly impossible
to establish a wlan connection with WPA-PSK enabled.
Tried to completely disable encryption and then the
device connects lightning fast without problems. With
WPA turned on, nearly no chance. Tried this with another
router and there's NO problem even with enabled WPA :eek:

Seems a router replacement is needed :rolleyes:

Olioaglio

hmm still might be a wlan driver issue on the polaris. once i have a device and olipro/cmonex does too we'll properly test the wlan. btw everyone donations link is up. check out my sig and the polaris project thread.

[ianl8888]

Olioaglio:

thanks for your welcome comment.

I'd trawled through the Polaris manual and compared its WLAN settings to those on my P3600i and wondered if the "trade-off" between power saving and WLAN performance may be an element. You've just confirmed it is.

I've also found that specific routers can be difficult. I'm using a Netgear DG834Gt with both the P3600i and an ETEN X500. I had to change the ROM in the X500 to achieve acceptable performance with its WLAN.

Which router are you currently using, please ?

This thread is becoming very encouraging for purchasing the Polaris

[jamin]

well, WLAN works absolutely fine on my Orbit 2. The only issue I have is that the screen does not turn itself off while listening to Music (WMP and Audio Manager). The screen is always on on the loweset setting. Is this normal? And also if any of the audio programs are still running but I do not listen to music the screen does not turn itself off either.

Thanks,
Chris

[DannyBoy]

I assume you can still turn the device off by hitting the button? And playback continues?

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[Olioaglio]

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You are kind of funny, guys... :p

Olioaglio

[jamin]

thanks dannyboy. It does work that way. How stupid of me. Well, the jamin did that automatically after 1 minute or so.

Well, the Orbit 2 is fantastic. We drove in the country today and the GPS worked absolutely fine. It seems to be one of the best buys in a long run.

Thanks again,
Chris

[ianl8888]

@Olioaglio

Can you say please if the microUSB charging socket on the device is a proprietary extUSB port (as a careful reading of the manual suggests in order to achieve USB speeds) or will a now-standard microUSB plug physically work ?

This question is important because of the travel chargers, car chargers etc which I have in abundance at the correct voltage and current, but are all now-standard microUSB

If we are talking yet another proprietary socket (when, oh when, will manufacturers stop that pernicious practice ?) then we are talking considerable extra $$$ to make the thing useable on the road.

[Olioaglio]

@Olioaglio

Can you say please if the microUSB charging socket on the device is a proprietary extUSB port (as a careful reading of the manual suggests in order to achieve USB speeds) or will a now-standard microUSB plug physically work ?

This question is important because of the travel chargers, car chargers etc which I have in abundance at the correct voltage and current, but are all now-standard microUSB

If we are talking yet another proprietary socket (when, oh when, will manufacturers stop that pernicious practice ?) then we are talking considerable extra $$$ to make the thing useable on the road.

AFAIK its a standard miniUSB port and should be compatible with
all available miniUSB accessories like travel/car chargers etc.
I once loaded my Hermes with the supplied car charger of my
external GPS mouse and worked without problems. As the USB plug
on the Orbit 2 is the same as on the Hermes, I assume that there's
also no problem with using available accessoires.

Olioaglio

[ianl8888]

Thank you.

Relieves my mind mightily.

The Manual talks about an ExtUSB socket to achieve USB2.0 speeds in data transfer, so the question of a proprietary socket raised it's head

[Olioaglio]

Olioaglio:

thanks for your welcome comment.

I'd trawled through the Polaris manual and compared its WLAN settings to those on my P3600i and wondered if the "trade-off" between power saving and WLAN performance may be an element. You've just confirmed it is.

I've also found that specific routers can be difficult. I'm using a Netgear DG834Gt with both the P3600i and an ETEN X500. I had to change the ROM in the X500 to achieve acceptable performance with its WLAN.

Which router are you currently using, please ?

This thread is becoming very encouraging for purchasing the Polaris

@ianl8888: I am using a Trust Speedshare 108M with Atheros chipset.
Firmware Version: 1.6.6 , 2005/03/30

Meanwhile I changed my encryption to 128bit WEP + Mac Filter.
Not so secure but NO problem anymore with connection (3 seconds)
and speed (about 390KB/sec).
Maybe I should really unpack and use my T-Net Speedport W701V which
is still unused in my cupboard since one year. But I was always very
satisfied with the range of the Trust thing and otherwise it works great.

Olioaglio