Updated 2008-04-03 (1.44) : LCMinutes - Monitoring your minutes, SMS and data usage

[Sushikidd]

hi lyonplus, does the call connect fee bug fix refer to normal call charges not being detected/registered?

[LyonPlus]

hi lyonplus, does the call connect fee bug fix refer to normal call charges not being detected/registered?

Hi, Sushikidd, The answer is no. I have not found out the reason why normal SMS is not registered but special rates SMS is, and why calls with normal numbers are not registered, as they both work fine in my phone.

[Sushikidd]

Hi, Sushikidd, The answer is no. I have not found out the reason why normal SMS is not registered but special rates SMS is, and why calls with normal numbers are not registered, as they both work fine in my phone.

it does register the sms cost though, just doesnt add the number of special rate sms's to the sms counter..i think thats just becos u havent included that in the programming yet :)

as for the not registering costs of normal calls, i dont have a clue...
im using the touch cruise, wm6... i think that shouldnt be any problem at all, so maybe its something in the settings of LCminutes that i set wrong.. i just dont have a clue what it is tho.. could you give me an example set up for a contract plan similar to mine? i have to admit that i am not entirely clear about all the available settings and their purposes.. im in my 'dumb' time of year now.. ;)

BTW, where could i make a modest donation to the good cause..?:)

[LyonPlus]

it does register the sms cost though, just doesnt add the number of special rate sms's to the sms counter..i think thats just becos u havent included that in the programming yet :)

Hi Sushikidd, in my code the SMS for special rates should be added to the SMS count if there's a "+" or "-" in the rate type field, if it's not added, then it is a bug.

as for the not registering costs of normal calls, i dont have a clue...
im using the touch cruise, wm6... i think that shouldnt be any problem at all, so maybe its something in the settings of LCminutes that i set wrong.. i just dont have a clue what it is tho.. could you give me an example set up for a contract plan similar to mine? i have to admit that i am not entirely clear about all the available settings and their purposes.. im in my 'dumb' time of year now.. ;)

Could you please export your rate plan and email it to me so I can have a look?

You can export rate plan by:
1. Menu -> Settings: enter setting state;
2. Under setting state, Menu -> Export -> Rate Plan;
3. Accept or change the default name of your rate plan: normally it will be saved under \My Documents;


BTW, where could i make a modest donation to the good cause..?:)

Thanks for your generosity, it's appreciated. But I have no plan to accept donation now.

[Sushikidd]

Hi Sushikidd, in my code the SMS for special rates should be added to the SMS count if there's a "+" or "-" in the rate type field, if it's not added, then it is a bug.

ok sorry ;) was just hoping it was easy to fix..:)


Could you please export your rate plan and email it to me so I can have a look?
its attached, pls change the .doc extension back to .xml ..thnx for having a look.. hope u find whats causing it..


Thanks for your generosity, it's appreciated. But I have no plan to accept donation now.

well thanks very much for being so modest and filantropic.. in case u change your mind, you made a great application and ill be happy to donate a little something for your time, mate :)

[LyonPlus]

Hi, Sushikidd, your rate plan setting causes the problem of not counting of SMS. You need to uncheck the Shared SMS/Call Units in your rate plan setting.

Hope this will solve your problem.

[Sushikidd]

thanks again for your speedy reply :)

ok ill uncheck that... but how do i indicate then that both sms charges and call charges will be deducted from my monthly bundle?


oh wait... that might be a stupid question i guess... its deducted from the bundle already right? but whats that checkbox really for then?

[umirza85]

Under call rates if i check Per [60] Seconds and then [x]use start rates only does that mean it rounds every call up to the minute? i get charged per min.

[LyonPlus]

thanks again for your speedy reply :)

ok ill uncheck that... but how do i indicate then that both sms charges and call charges will be deducted from my monthly bundle?


oh wait... that might be a stupid question i guess... its deducted from the bundle already right? but whats that checkbox really for then?

Hi, Sushikidd, the checkbox is for a rate plan feature called shared free units, which means if you pay your operator $30 dollars (or any other correct amount), you will get 500 free units, 1 call minute is 1 unit, and 2 SMS will also consume 1 unit.

Under call rates if i check Per [60] Seconds and then [x]use start rates only does that mean it rounds every call up to the minute? i get charged per min.

Hi, umirza85, use start rates only is not for round up minutes. It's a feature to let you calculate your phone call charge with only the rates when you start your phone call. For example, you have free weekend phone calls, if you started your phone call at weekend, then this whole call will be free even it lasted into weekday. At the same time, if it starts in weekday and it lasts into weekend, the whole call will be charged with weekday rates.

It seems many operator charge with start rates only. And I suggest all user check this unless he knows otherwise.

[Sushikidd]

Hi, Sushikidd, the checkbox is for a rate plan feature called shared free units, which means if you pay your operator $30 dollars (or any other correct amount), you will get 500 free units, 1 call minute is 1 unit, and 2 SMS will also consume 1 unit.


but thats true for my case... i pay 30 euros that will be used up by calls and sms's.. the calls are 16 ct per minute and the sms is 8 ct per sms...

btw, my normal rate outgoing calls are still not calculated.. in the balance overview they are always noted as €0.00
do you know what i can do about that?

[LyonPlus]

but thats true for my case... i pay 30 euros that will be used up by calls and sms's.. the calls are 16 ct per minute and the sms is 8 ct per sms...

Hi, Sushikidd, then you should put 30 seconds per SMS. And in this case when you send a SMS, it will deduct your free minutes, and charged as call minutes if the free minutes are consumed. And you should change your call rates in weekday from $0.16 to $0.08, for Per 30 seconds.

Your rates for evening and weekend is not used as you have defined that no weekends and evening for your rate plan.

btw, my normal rate outgoing calls are still not calculated.. in the balance overview they are always noted as €0.00
do you know what i can do about that?

But has your used minutes been increased? If possible, could you get a screenshot of LCMinutes main window showing the call and its balance info and post here? Note: you should cover your phone number in the image before you post.

[Sushikidd]

Hi, Sushikidd, then you should put 30 seconds per SMS. And in this case when you send a SMS, it will deduct your free minutes, and charged as call minutes if the free minutes are consumed. And you should change your call rates in weekday from $0.16 to $0.08, for Per 30 seconds.

Your rates for evening and weekend is not used as you have defined that no weekends and evening for your rate plan.

thanks, the counter is now working for both types of sms. :)


But has your used minutes been increased? If possible, could you get a screenshot of LCMinutes main window showing the call and its balance info and post here? Note: you should cover your phone number in the image before you post.

dunno how to make that screenshot..but the balance window does show theres an outgoing call, but theres always no charge for it..also the overall balance amount is not influenced by it..

it just seems to think that regular calls are free.. is there still something in the settings i missed?

i know you have a kind of description already but it would be good to have a really clear and extensive description of all the settings, since this is a very complicated and ingenious program.. you have done a truly amazing job covering all the rate plan posibilities but to be honest the settings can sometimes be a bit confusing.. at least for me as a non-native non-techie english speaker it is sometimes hard to understand the specific functions and effects of a particular setting..

[LyonPlus]

dunno how to make that screenshot..but the balance window does show theres an outgoing call, but theres always no charge for it..also the overall balance amount is not influenced by it..

it just seems to think that regular calls are free.. is there still something in the settings i missed?

1. If your call is incoming call, then it's set to be free by your rate plan.
2. If you have not used all your 178 free call minutes, it should be free as it used the free minutes.

Other than these 2 senario, I have no idea.

i know you have a kind of description already but it would be good to have a really clear and extensive description of all the settings, since this is a very complicated and ingenious program.. you have done a truly amazing job covering all the rate plan posibilities but to be honest the settings can sometimes be a bit confusing.. at least for me as a non-native non-techie english speaker it is sometimes hard to understand the specific functions and effects of a particular setting..

Yeah, I will update the FAQ of LCMinutes (http://lctools.blogspot.com/2008/01/lcminutes-frequently-asked-questions.html) soon.

[Sushikidd]

i have 2 little suspects:

1. i did set 200 free minutes, but after that changed it to 0. maybe it is still counting free minutes even though i have changed it.

2. i have a voip.cab installed to facilitate voip calling. however i didnt use that for the calls i mentioned.

what do you think?

[LyonPlus]

i have 2 little suspects:

1. i did set 200 free minutes, but after that changed it to 0. maybe it is still counting free minutes even though i have changed it.

2. i have a voip.cab installed to facilitate voip calling. however i didnt use that for the calls i mentioned.

what do you think?

Hi, Sushikidd, please export your balance info with Menu -> Settings -> Menu -> Export -> Balance, if incorrect then change it and import it.

If VOIP is not used for the calls you mentioned, then it should be irrelevant.

[Sushikidd]

ok another step closer..:)

ive adjusted the minutes used to 200, the amount i had set before but changed back to 0. apparently it did still stick to the previously set number of 200..

now it counts 8ct per 30 seconds, which is logical considering my current settings. but what would i have to set if i am charged for 16 ct for the first minute of a call, regardless of whether i used the whole minute? and then after the first minute i am charged per second, at 16ct per 60 seconds.

also, this 'discovery' means that special rates calls are not subtracted from the free monthly minutes... because when the program still thought my free minutes were not used up, it did add up the charge for the special rates calls i made to the balance..

is this correct?

[LyonPlus]

ok another step closer..:)

ive adjusted the minutes used to 200, the amount i had set before but changed back to 0. apparently it did still stick to the previously set number of 200..

now it counts 8ct per 30 seconds, which is logical considering my current settings. but what would i have to set if i am charged for 16 ct for the first minute of a call, regardless of whether i used the whole minute? and then after the first minute i am charged per second, at 16ct per 60 seconds.

OK, then change following:

Call Rates:$0.008 in weekday
Per: 3 seconds
The First: 60 seconds in every
: Call is charged at
:$0.16 for every
:60 seconds

Keep your SMS setting as my last post.

also, this 'discovery' means that special rates calls are not subtracted from the free monthly minutes... because when the program still thought my free minutes were not used up, it did add up the charge for the special rates calls i made to the balance..

is this correct?

Change your special rates like:
From: 66:+0:1.25/1.25/1.25/0:60:0.25/0.0;
To: 66:+1:1.25/1.25/1.25/0:60:0.25/0.0;

The 1 means this number share the free minutes for weekday. You should check special rates format (http://lctools.blogspot.com/2008/01/lcminutes-frequently-asked-questions.html#SpecialRatesFormat) for more explanation.

Hope this helps.

[illi]

Hi LyonPlus
Earlier I reported problem with v1.40. I would like to let you know that v1.42 works fine on my device now. Thanks for such a great piece of work.

Thanks you.

[LyonPlus]

Hi LyonPlus
Earlier I reported problem with v1.40. I would like to let you know that v1.42 works fine on my device now. Thanks for such a great piece of work.

Thanks you.

Thanks, illi, for letting me know it works on your phone now!

And could you please confirm following?

1. Your phone is still htc Tornado, which is a WM6 standard (smartphone)?
2. LCMinutes can record phone call, SMS on your phone automatically?
3. LCMinutes can record data usage on your phone?
4. LCMinutes Homescreen plugin displays correctly?

Thanks again for confirm (yes or no) above so I know how LCMinutes works on smartphone!

[illi]

Thanks, illi, for letting me know it works on your phone now!

And could you please confirm following?

1. Your phone is still htc Tornado, which is a WM6 standard (smartphone)?
2. LCMinutes can record phone call, SMS on your phone automatically?
3. LCMinutes can record data usage on your phone?
4. LCMinutes Homescreen plugin displays correctly?

Thanks again for confirm (yes or no) above so I know how LCMinutes works on smartphone!

1. HTC Tornado WM6.1 (evaluation) cooked by GnatGoSplat
2. yes
3. yes
4. yes

I havent the time to update correctly my data plan yet. But it works just fine. I am glad and thank you very much for such an ingenious software and meticulous support from you.

Take care.

[LyonPlus]

1. HTC Tornado WM6.1 (evaluation) cooked by GnatGoSplat
2. yes
3. yes
4. yes

I havent the time to update correctly my data plan yet. But it works just fine. I am glad and thank you very much for such an ingenious software and meticulous support from you.

Take care.

Thanks illi! This is my first direct and explicit confirmation on LCMinutes works on Windows Mobile smartphone, though I know there're some smartphone users out there! :cool:

[Sushikidd]

seems its working perfectly now...! :D

the only thing i can still think of to improve it is to have more space in the special rates box... i cant get all my special rates numbers in there yet ;)
and in case u feel up to the challenge someday: to incorporate the variable t-mobile rate plan we discussed before..

Lyonplus, thanks so much for this fantastic application and all your support...!
ill of course keep you informed of any anomalies and bugs i might find (allthough it rlly seems everything is working perfectly) :)

do you have any new versions planned already?

much obliged!!

[LyonPlus]

seems its working perfectly now...! :D

the only thing i can still think of to improve it is to have more space in the special rates box... i cant get all my special rates numbers in there yet ;)
and in case u feel up to the challenge someday: to incorporate the variable t-mobile rate plan we discussed before..

Lyonplus, thanks so much for this fantastic application and all your support...!
ill of course keep you informed of any anomalies and bugs i might find (allthough it rlly seems everything is working perfectly) :)

do you have any new versions planned already?

much obliged!!

Glad to know it finally works!

I will try to increase the size limit of special rates, but it will require some more complicate code change instead of a simple constant change.

Future release will come, but I will need some times. ;)

[Sushikidd]

hi Lyonplus, i just noticed it counts calls made over the internal voip functionality the same as normal calls (over GSM)

[LyonPlus]

hi Lyonplus, i just noticed it counts calls made over the internal voip functionality the same as normal calls (over GSM)

Hi, Sushikidd, could you please turn on the monitor trace and take a trace when you make a VOIP phone call so I can check what happened?

To turn on monitor trace:
1. Start LCMinutes;
2. Menu -> Settings -> Misc;
3. Click Edit button to enter editing state;
4. Check turn on monitor trace;
5. Click Save Button to save the changes;
6. Reboot the machine.

After taking the trace, look for file LCMMTrace.TXT under folder \Program Files\LCMinutes, and send me the file to lyonplus[AT]gmail[DOT]com.

[oese]

Hi,

I#ve just installed 1.42 and imported my old settings. My data limit is 200 mb, but now there are 200 kb in the current rate plan. So I've tried to notify 204800 kb (by clicking edit, make the change and save), but htere is no reaction. When I call the Programm again, there are allways 200 kb again? The today-plugin shows me 0,2 mb...


oese

[LyonPlus]

I#ve just installed 1.42 and imported my old settings. My data limit is 200 mb, but now there are 200 kb in the current rate plan. So I've tried to notify 204800 kb (by clicking edit, make the change and save), but htere is no reaction. When I call the Programm again, there are allways 200 kb again? The today-plugin shows me 0,2 mb...

Hi, oese, you should put 200000 instead of 204800 (because I change 1024 per KB to 1000 per KB). And after saving this new setting, choose NO when asked to apply this new settings to previous call, SMS records.

Or you can export your balance and change all balance info accordingly (effective date must be changed), then import the new balance info.

Hope this helps.

[oese]

Hi,

sorry, but with both ways there is no effect. :(

There stands again 200 KB in settings / 0.2M in today-screen.

First I've changed the limit to 200000, save an exit. No effect. Changed the same way, save, exit and soft-reset: no effect.

Then I've exproted the balance, edited "freedata" an changed effective date, saved an import, exit: no effect. Same way with soft-reset: no effect :(

oese

[LyonPlus]

Hi,

sorry, but with both ways there is no effect. :(

There stands again 200 KB in settings / 0.2M in today-screen.

First I've changed the limit to 200000, save an exit. No effect. Changed the same way, save, exit and soft-reset: no effect.

Then I've exproted the balance, edited "freedata" an changed effective date, saved an import, exit: no effect. Same way with soft-reset: no effect :(

oese

Hi, oese, after you imported a new balance, is your first balance item in the main window of LCMinutes stated "Updated by user"?

And could you please try again with some value like 210000K?

[oese]

Hi, oese, after you imported a new balance, is your first balance item in the main window of LCMinutes stated "Updated by user"?


yes, but I've made a mistake. It is nessessary to change the effective date to a later one, first I've changed it in teh other way :o

Now on today-screen appears 200M (by editing the balance to 200000k), but the current rate plan already shows 200 KB (also after soft-reset...)

oese

[LyonPlus]

yes, but I've made a mistake. It is nessessary to change the effective date to a later one, first I've changed it in teh other way :o

Now on today-screen appears 200M (by editing the balance to 200000k), but the current rate plan already shows 200 KB (also after soft-reset...)

oese

Hi, Oese, did LCMinutes told you it succeeded or failed after you changed the free data in rate plan settings?

[oese]

Hi,

I installed it new, now it works fine!!!

Thanks a lot

oese

[LyonPlus]

Hi,

I installed it new, now it works fine!!!

Thanks a lot

oese

Glad to know that! And thanks for letting me know.

Best Regards

[Sushikidd]

Hi Lyonplus,

ive emailed the trace file to your gmail.. :)

[LyonPlus]

Hi Lyonplus,

ive emailed the trace file to your gmail.. :)

Hi, Sushikidd, I have looked into your trace and I found it difficult for me to differentiate a VOIP call from voice calls simply based on the status information. I might need to find some other info to know which call is voip call and which is voice call.

Sorry I guess it will take some times. :o

[Sushikidd]

Hi, Sushikidd, I have looked into your trace and I found it difficult for me to differentiate a VOIP call from voice calls simply based on the status information. I might need to find some other info to know which call is voip call and which is voice call.

Sorry I guess it will take some times. :o

no problem, i realise its not an easy one... :)
the only difference i know is that a voip call uses the data connection instead of the gsm radio..

i have another one tho, in the mean time.. isnt the balance supposed to jump back to zero when the monthly period is over?

[LyonPlus]

i have another one tho, in the mean time.. isnt the balance supposed to jump back to zero when the monthly period is over?

Yes, the balance info is designed to reset at the beginning of every rate month.

[Sushikidd]

Yes, the balance info is designed to reset at the beginning of every rate month.

hmmm but it didnt.... :(

[LyonPlus]

hmmm but it didnt.... :(

Then did you find a "Monthly update" balance item in your main window of LCMinutes? The date should be the start of your rate month.

[Sushikidd]

Then did you find a "Monthly update" balance item in your main window of LCMinutes? The date should be the start of your rate month.

actually no, i didnt... nowhere to be seen...

[LyonPlus]

actually no, i didnt... nowhere to be seen...

Then could you please turn on monitor trace, change your rate month start date as 29 if your place is still 28-Mar-2008, reboot your machine, and then wait till 00:05 or later in 29-Mar-2008. Check whether there's a monthly update item in main window of LCMinutes, and check the trace to see whether there's any clues.

[godsfshrmn]

Is it possible to get the SMS tracking to work when I'm using the Palm SMS app? It isn't keeping track of them for me.

[LyonPlus]

Is it possible to get the SMS tracking to work when I'm using the Palm SMS app? It isn't keeping track of them for me.

Hi, godsfshrmn, so far I have not found the way to do it. I could track incoming SMS whatever SMS application is used. But I am unable to track outgoing SMS when non built-in SMS application is used.

[godsfshrmn]

How about being able to use the incoming text message that can give you an update on the txt usage for the current billing period?
There has to be some kind of API for the palm app. It lists the current # of messages saved in the inbox and sent items.

[LyonPlus]

How about being able to use the incoming text message that can give you an update on the txt usage for the current billing period?
There has to be some kind of API for the palm app. It lists the current # of messages saved in the inbox and sent items.

Hi, godsfshrmn, which application's inbox and sent mail folder are you talking about? The built-in SMS app or Palm SMS app?

[godsfshrmn]

For the Palm SMS. I wouldn't mind using the WM6 SMS, its just this dutty rom had the palm application included.

[LyonPlus]

For the Palm SMS. I wouldn't mind using the WM6 SMS, its just this dutty rom had the palm application included.

Hi, godsfshrmn, I still don't get you. Where (or which app) displays the number of SMS in Inbox and sent folder of Palm SMS (?)

[Sushikidd]

Then could you please turn on monitor trace, change your rate month start date as 29 if your place is still 28-Mar-2008, reboot your machine, and then wait till 00:05 or later in 29-Mar-2008. Check whether there's a monthly update item in main window of LCMinutes, and check the trace to see whether there's any clues.

hi Lyonplus, there was no indication of it... i cnaged the date to 1 and after midnight no change, also after 12noon no change... does it have anything to do with the effetive date or expired date entries? what are those for exactly?

ive attached the monitor trace for your analysis..

thanks :)78783

[LyonPlus]

hi Lyonplus, there was no indication of it... i cnaged the date to 1 and after midnight no change, also after 12noon no change... does it have anything to do with the effetive date or expired date entries? what are those for exactly?

ive attached the monitor trace for your analysis..

thanks :)

Hi, sushikidd, please delete your trace file. I have checked it and found no related information. I will add more traces in my next release to see what happened.

The effective date for balance is the exact time for your balance info, that is, at what time you have that balance. The expire date means when your balance will expire and you will lose all your balance, this is for prepaid plan.

[Sushikidd]

hope u find the reason for that..

and i noticed another thing..

the special rates should be counted on top of the normal rates in my plan, but they are only calculated INSTEAD of the normal rates.. almost seems it doesnt catch the "+" in the formula or thinks its a "0" or something..

did i do anything wrong again?

thnx:)

[LyonPlus]

hope u find the reason for that..

and i noticed another thing..

the special rates should be counted on top of the normal rates in my plan, but they are only calculated INSTEAD of the normal rates.. almost seems it doesnt catch the "+" in the formula or thinks its a "0" or something..

did i do anything wrong again?

thnx:)

Hi, Sushikidd, please tell me your special rates string for the number you know doesn't work. (not your whole special rates string, which will be far too long).

[Sushikidd]

this is how i entered it:

09000213:+1:0.09/0.09/0.09/0:60:0.25/0.0;

then [enter] and start a new string like that on a new line.

maybe i made another punctuation error? im starting to think im dyslexic.. :)

as far as i understood that string means all calls starting with number 09000213 will be calculated with an add on rate of 9ct per minute on top of the normal call charge, and sms's will be charged at 25 ct. per sms..right?

btw 2 more errors occured (that i previously didnt have, before upgrading to 1.43)

- i cant save changes in the plan now, saving fails every time..
- i cant delete the data log all at once, i get an error 12. the database apparently is (null). the other logs still can be deleted all at once.

after i manually deleted all the logs, all my today screen counters were reset to 0..

[LyonPlus]

this is how i entered it:

09000213:+1:0.09/0.09/0.09/0:60:0.25/0.0;

then [enter] and start a new string like that on a new line.

maybe i made another punctuation error? im starting to think im dyslexic.. :)

as far as i understood that string means all calls starting with number 09000213 will be calculated with an add on rate of 9ct per minute on top of the normal call charge, and sms's will be charged at 25 ct. per sms..right?

You are right, except the 1 after + sign mean you calls to this number sharing your free weekday minutes. So before your free weekday minutes is consumed, your special rates will not apply.


btw 2 more errors occured (that i previously didnt have, before upgrading to 1.43)

- i cant save changes in the plan now, saving fails every time..
- i cant delete the data log all at once, i get an error 12. the database apparently is (null). the other logs still can be deleted all at once.

after i manually deleted all the logs, all my today screen counters were reset to 0..

Please reboot your machine to see what happened. If this error persists, use a registry editor to change registry HKLM\Software\LCTools\LCMinutes\RatePlanID to 0 and reboot machine again.

[Sushikidd]

You are right, except the 1 after + sign mean you calls to this number sharing your free weekday minutes. So before your free weekday minutes is consumed, your special rates will not apply.

but then the normal charge would not apply either right? cos that shares the free minutes too..
besides, i havent set any free minutes this time...



Please reboot your machine to see what happened. If this error persists, use a registry editor to change registry HKLM\Software\LCTools\LCMinutes\RatePlanID to 0 and reboot machine again.

rebooting didnt help...ill try the registry change..

again kudos for your quick response and support! :)

[Sushikidd]

Please reboot your machine to see what happened. If this error persists, use a registry editor to change registry HKLM\Software\LCTools\LCMinutes\RatePlanID to 0 and reboot machine again.

ive deleted the value in that reg key... but now it displays a Rogers rateplan, and importing mine fails...

after uninstalling and reinstalling... the same error... (0x519)

[LyonPlus]

but then the normal charge would not apply either right? cos that shares the free minutes too..
besides, i havent set any free minutes this time...

If no free minutes is defined, then both special rates and normal rates should be applied.

Can you tell me more info about this call: how long it lasted? How much is charged? What's normal rates?

ive deleted the value in that reg key... but now it displays a Rogers rateplan, and importing mine fails...

after uninstalling and reinstalling... the same error... (0x519)

Please don't delete the registry value, just change the value to 0.

[Sushikidd]

If no free minutes is defined, then both special rates and normal rates should be applied.

Can you tell me more info about this call: how long it lasted? How much is charged? What's normal rates?



Please don't delete the registry value, just change the value to 0.

my normal rate is 16ct pm, calculated for the first whole minute and after that per second (or 0.008 per 3 seconds as set in the rateplan before). it happens for all sorts of durations, and it does correctly charge the 9ct special rate per 60 seconds..just not the normal 16ct pm chargeon top of it..


uhh.. i deleted the number string in that reg key and replaced it by 0... is that bad...?:eek:

[LyonPlus]

my normal rate is 16ct pm, calculated for the first whole minute and after that per second (or 0.008 per 3 seconds as set in the rateplan before). it happens for all sorts of durations, and it does correctly charge the 9ct special rate per 60 seconds..just not the normal 16ct pm chargeon top of it..


uhh.. i deleted the number string in that reg key and replaced it by 0... is that bad...?:eek:

Hi, Sushikidd, I have sent your a new version of LCMinutes, please give it a try and let me know whether it fix the special rates problem or not.

[Sushikidd]

ill continue here from my replies to your email ok? its just easier to edit.. if you prefer email let me know pls..

so, after the first time it didnt seem to register anything anymore, i reinstalled v. 1.43 again and imported my saved new rate plan. the settings in the other tabs were not included in the imported rate plan (i guess this could be standard)

now it calculates the sms's properly again, and it does calculate calls, but it doesnt calculate the special rate calls properly..it charges too much actually, n not what its supposed to..

i also noticed that during the call i get a notification beep at 50 seconds, which is the standard setting. however, i had already changed that setting to warn me at 300 seconds..

it seems to be going every which way now.. its very hard to pinpoint the cause or problem but obviously something isnt going right somewhere in the process..

hope this helps..

[LyonPlus]

ill continue here from my replies to your email ok? its just easier to edit.. if you prefer email let me know pls..

so, after the first time it didnt seem to register anything anymore, i reinstalled v. 1.43 again and imported my saved new rate plan. the settings in the other tabs were not included in the imported rate plan (i guess this could be standard)

now it calculates the sms's properly again, and it does calculate calls, but it doesnt calculate the special rate calls properly..it charges too much actually, n not what its supposed to..

i also noticed that during the call i get a notification beep at 50 seconds, which is the standard setting. however, i had already changed that setting to warn me at 300 seconds..

it seems to be going every which way now.. its very hard to pinpoint the cause or problem but obviously something isnt going right somewhere in the process..

hope this helps..

Hi, Sushikidd, discussing here is preferred over email, as this might help others that have same problems.

For beeping warning, the setting will take effect after a reset (or actually a restart of the monitor module, and you can do that with MemMaid).

And for special rates charge calculation, I would like to know more about following info: call duration in seconds, the charges calculated by LCMinutes, and the charge you would expect.

[torquefever]

Version 1.38:

* Feature change: Monitoring balance info in service messages from Kuwait Zain and T-Mobile USA is supported, along with Canadian Rogers and Fido.
.


I am on Rogers, Canada Network.. How do I use these feature to get balance through service message? or its not possible?

[LyonPlus]

I am on Rogers, Canada Network.. How do I use these feature to get balance through service message? or its not possible?

Welcome, fellow Rogers user! You got it automatically. But this feature only applies to prepaid users. It just means when you dial *225 to get the balance info, the balance info is detected by LCMinutes and saved to its database.

[Sushikidd]

allrighty :)

i had an outgoing call for example that lasted 57 secs, to a special rate number that should be charged at 9 cts per minute, calculated per 60 seconds. that should be on top of the normal charge of 16 ct per minute, charged per 60 seconds for the first minute. the expected total charge would then be 16ct + 9ct = 25 ct or abouts, right? but the total charge calculated was 36ct..

another one, very similar to that, took 52 secs and was charged at 35ct, which should be 25 cts..

another one, which took 28 secs, should have been charged at 16ct + 10ct = 26 ct. but was actually just charged at 16ct.

non-special rates calls seem to work properly (for the moment)

also, the monthly reset didnt happen as it should this evening..
wait.... it did.. but at 1 oclock, not 12.. doesnt really matter, it did reset so thats good :D

[LyonPlus]

allrighty :)

i had an outgoing call for example that lasted 57 secs, to a special rate number that should be charged at 9 cts per minute, calculated per 60 seconds. that should be on top of the normal charge of 16 ct per minute, charged per 60 seconds for the first minute. the expected total charge would then be 16ct + 9ct = 25 ct or abouts, right? but the total charge calculated was 36ct..

another one, very similar to that, took 52 secs and was charged at 35ct, which should be 25 cts..

another one, which took 28 secs, should have been charged at 16ct + 10ct = 26 ct. but was actually just charged at 16ct.

non-special rates calls seem to work properly (for the moment)

also, the monthly reset didnt happen as it should this evening..
wait.... it did.. but at 1 oclock, not 12.. doesnt really matter, it did reset so thats good :D

Hi, Sushikidd, I guess the charge calculating is affected by the Adjustment feature, you can find the setting in rate plan as

Adjust: xx seconds per call

This feature is to make the calculation more "consistent" with what your operator will charge you. For example, your mobile phone records a call lasted for 57 seconds, but your operator might records this call as 65 seconds. I notice there always such a lap, and it's not constant. So LCMinutes let you to decide an average for this adjustment. If you don't want that, you can set this value to zero.

For the monthly reset issue, please send me your newest trace so I can have a look.

[LycanNyc]

Is this free?

[LyonPlus]

Is this free?

Yeah, free as in beer. :cool:

[Sushikidd]

Hi, Sushikidd, I guess the charge calculating is affected by the Adjustment feature, you can find the setting in rate plan as

Adjust: xx seconds per call

This feature is to make the calculation more "consistent" with what your operator will charge you. For example, your mobile phone records a call lasted for 57 seconds, but your operator might records this call as 65 seconds. I notice there always such a lap, and it's not constant. So LCMinutes let you to decide an average for this adjustment. If you don't want that, you can set this value to zero.

For the monthly reset issue, please send me your newest trace so I can have a look.

yes, but whould the cost difference be that big then? 10 seconds adjustment would be 0.16/6 = rounded up about 3 ct, and the cost difference with what was to be expected was more than 10 ct for sucha short call already..

the reset issue seems to be solved now... :D

[LyonPlus]

yes, but whould the cost difference be that big then? 10 seconds adjustment would be 0.16/6 = rounded up about 3 ct, and the cost difference with what was to be expected was more than 10 ct for sucha short call already..

the reset issue seems to be solved now... :D

The call cost charge is as this:
1. Call time is 57 seconds;
2. Add time adjust is 57 + 10 = 67 seconds;
3. For special rates: 67 is rounded up to 120, and charge is 0.09 * 2 = $0.18;
4. For normal rates: the first 1 minute charge is $0.16;
5. For normal rates: the last 7 seconds is rounded up to 9 seconds (as your charge interval is 3 seconds), and charge is 0.008 * 3 = $0.024;
6. The total charge is $0.18 + $0.16 + $0.024 = $0.364, which is displayed as $0.36.

So I see no problem. ;)

[Sushikidd]

The call cost charge is as this:
1. Call time is 57 seconds;
2. Add time adjust is 57 + 10 = 67 seconds;
3. For special rates: 67 is rounded up to 120, and charge is 0.09 * 2 = $0.18;
4. For normal rates: the first 1 minute charge is $0.16;
5. For normal rates: the last 7 seconds is rounded up to 9 seconds (as your charge interval is 3 seconds), and charge is 0.008 * 3 = $0.024;
6. The total charge is $0.18 + $0.16 + $0.024 = $0.364, which is displayed as $0.36.

So I see no problem. ;)

oooo i seee..... hehe im a blonde after all... dont tell anyone ya ;)

[LyonPlus]

oooo i seee..... hehe im a blonde after all... dont tell anyone ya ;)

Hi, Sushikidd, I should have explained the time adjust concept better.

I noticed the charge difference soon after my initial version of LCMinutes, so I decide to add this feature so the charge calculation by LCMinutes is more similar to the one by operators.

And thanks you for all your efforts to help me sort part of the LCMinutes problems out.

[Sushikidd]

Hi, Sushikidd, I should have explained the time adjust concept better.

I noticed the charge difference soon after my initial version of LCMinutes, so I decide to add this feature so the charge calculation by LCMinutes is more similar to the one by operators.

And thanks you for all your efforts to help me sort part of the LCMinutes problems out.

its rlly my great pleasure, i thank you for making such a great and ingenious program. me personally ive been waiting for it literally for years, and no doubt so have many others. i hope my testing and questioning does help you in making this fine app even better.. frankly i think your program should be purchased by HTC or Microsoft to make it a standard feature on all the PDA's or WM software they sell, and give you the reward you deserve. LCminutes is REALLY useful and to me practically indispensable.

[Sushikidd]

hi Lyon,

ive noticed that everytime after i edit the settings, the app doesnt register calls anymore after that...

can you reproduce this?

[LyonPlus]

hi Lyon,

ive noticed that everytime after i edit the settings, the app doesnt register calls anymore after that...

can you reproduce this?

Hi, Sushikidd, I have noticed similar situations too, though not after editing settings.

Sorry for the inconvenience. I will investigate this.

[Sushikidd]

in what situations did you notice them?

[LyonPlus]

in what situations did you notice them?

It's unknown situation, so I need to turn on trace and catch them. I have not yet find out what to do to reproduce them.

[Carlo626]

hi LyonPlus and thanks for a great program.

it's really feature rich and should be able to handle almost all situation however I'm trying to set it up to keep track of a "simple" data usage plan - 50.00 mb per day - my provider offer 50 mb per day for €9.0 per month.
How can I set that up ? I have tryied different combination but never got it to do that - is it possible to do it? any suggestion?

[LyonPlus]

hi LyonPlus and thanks for a great program.

it's really feature rich and should be able to handle almost all situation however I'm trying to set it up to keep track of a "simple" data usage plan - 50.00 mb per day - my provider offer 50 mb per day for €9.0 per month.
How can I set that up ? I have tryied different combination but never got it to do that - is it possible to do it? any suggestion?

Hi, Carlo626, unfortunately daily data allowance is not yet supported.

[Carlo626]

Hi, Carlo626, unfortunately daily data allowance is not yet supported.

I see, well thanks anyway. Do you have any plans on implementing that in the future or do you know of a prog. that does that? - thanks again

[LyonPlus]

I see, well thanks anyway. Do you have any plans on implementing that in the future or do you know of a prog. that does that? - thanks again

Yes, I plan to support this feature, but, only when I get the time. And I am not aware of any other that support this feature.

[Sushikidd]

Hi Lyon, how you doing?

as to comment a bit further on our previous point, ive noticed that editing the plan or the balance or other tabs does shut down some calculation functions (temporarily) a soft reset does not always solve it, but it does sometimes.
for example, ive recently changed my data costs, and they do not get calculated as such.

when i import a rate plan, in the special numbers section some strange squares turn up behind the number lines. the kind that usually indicate unrecognized characters (although there shouldnt be any)

also, ive set the minute beeps to other values and these have not been picked up so far.. for example ive set all beep entries to 0 for incoming calls but i still get 1 beep each minute when i receive a call.

maybe its still a nice addition to have a call cost notification shortly pop up after each call..? its just an extra luxury really, im still fine without it tho :)

apart from that, everything still works splendidly, and even me with my unsatisfiable imagination cant think of anything more to want from this fantastic app... :)

[LyonPlus]

Hi Lyon, how you doing?

as to comment a bit further on our previous point, ive noticed that editing the plan or the balance or other tabs does shut down some calculation functions (temporarily) a soft reset does not always solve it, but it does sometimes.
for example, ive recently changed my data costs, and they do not get calculated as such.

when i import a rate plan, in the special numbers section some strange squares turn up behind the number lines. the kind that usually indicate unrecognized characters (although there shouldnt be any)

also, ive set the minute beeps to other values and these have not been picked up so far.. for example ive set all beep entries to 0 for incoming calls but i still get 1 beep each minute when i receive a call.

maybe its still a nice addition to have a call cost notification shortly pop up after each call..? its just an extra luxury really, im still fine without it tho :)

apart from that, everything still works splendidly, and even me with my unsatisfiable imagination cant think of anything more to want from this fantastic app... :)

Hi, Sushikidd, I am fine, but quite busy for other things now and haven't got the time to work on LCMinutes yet.

Any change to Misc setting will require a software reset, because I want LCMinutes to consume as less CPU power as possible during a call, or data connection.

[Sushikidd]

Hi Lyon, just take it easy ya.. your fans will still be here when youre ready ;)


p.s., the soft reset didnt have any effect on my changed data settings, they are still not calculated..

[Sushikidd]

oops.. and the new month didnt start again too... hmm any clues on that? it was supposed to go in on the 25th but the cost didnt get reset, just keeps adding..

[Sushikidd]

hi Lyon, hows it going? hope all is fine..

remember i once mentioned a request for a pop up message for last call costs? i realised a simple today screen item will be at least as good... just another option for the today screen bar, ideally it would hold the last position in the row of counters..

in the same manner an option to include the previous months bill in the today plug-in would be cool too..

what do you think? :)

btw, even after the recent update to fix the problem with the billing date where the balance isnt reset, it still doesnt reset as its supposed to..

[Kaimane]

Hey LyonPlus,

LCMinutes is a very nice application! Gratulation for that ...
But when I set my personal rate plan, save it, exit and soft reset the phone, LCMinutes will not count my data usage :(

Do you have an idea why LCM do not log the data usage? Do I have to edit a special setting (maybe in the registry)?

I have a HTC Diamond, branded O2 ROM, using HSDPA.

Thanks a lot ...
Kaimane

[xwaiz]

Since Diamond with TouchFlo3D won't allow 2nd Today plugin, is it possible to rebuild LCMinutes to "application" instead of Today plugin? I don't mind running it when I need to see the usage stat.

Thanks.

[Kaimane]

Hey xwaiz ...
Do I have to enable the LCMinutes Today plugin to get it works on my device?
Maybe that's the reason for my problem, cause I'm using TF3D and disabled LCM on the Today screen.

[shirazdindar]

LC minutes version: 1.54 Smartphone version
Phone: Motorola Q9H

When I select edit to edit *any* of the settings, I can scroll around the settings screens, and I see the settings with the edit boxes, but there is no cursor or ability to select any of the edit boxes to actually do any editing.

I messed around a lot with key combinations to try to get it to work.

Anyone have any idea?

Thanks,

Shiraz

ps. frankly, I'd be happy with ANY cell phone tracking software provided it has a peak and off-peak rate that would work with my phone. This is the only software that I've found that supports non-touchscreen smartphones (?!?!?!). I'm amazed it's been this hard. Leads are welcomed.

[gottago]

I realize that LyonPlus has been on hiatus so I pose my question to any user that would like to assist me. I am not the most tech savvy and I am having difficulty setting up LCMinutes to reflect my usage.

I have 550 anytime minutes w/ evenings (7p-7a) and weekends unlimited (free), voice overage is $0.45/minutes, and 500 sms free and sms overages are at $0.15/message. Data is unlimited.

Plan cost is $59.99, postpaid
Unlimited Data is $10.00
500 SMS is $1.00
TOTAL Plan Cost is $70.99
Avg % for taxes and fees is 18%

For some reason, the only way I can get LC Minutes to reflect my call and sms activity is to manually change the balances. Can someone offer a set up solution so my activity is automatically counted?

gottago
Sprint Touch

[audino]

Hi,
i downloaded the last version and would like to use it with my xperia...
Ive a German Alice Contract like this:
15 Cent / min Phonecalls to anywhere in germany
15 Cent / SMS
30MB free Internet after it 1MB/25Cent into 10kb pieces...
How Do I have to set LCminutes up? And where can I save free numbers?

[youngsien]

looks like it is updated to version 1.55 on the developers site, please check it out guys

[hp610]

Any ideas on how to setup a monthly plan???:

i have MONTHLY:
200 minutes, 200 Mb and 200 SMS
Long distance/minute: $0.24

Exedents:
minute: $ 0,44
SMS: $0.18

[hendrixus]

looks like it is updated to version 1.55 on the developers site, please check it out guys

Correct

http://lctools.blogspot.com/2009/08/lcminutes-155-is-out.html

Bug fix: Fix double counting of SMS sent out when threaded SMS application is used.

[audino]

Hi,

I just upgraded my contract to 300mb free usage but when i update my rateplane into lcminutes it still shows my old value... even if i change to 3244234 free data usage it still shows 30mb on the <72> in home screen.
how can i solve this?

also ive got a problem with the call time when im got a call of 2:45 lcminutes calculates it like 4 minutes...
can anyone help me?
my contrac is very simple:
every minute 0.15 Cents always rated in full minutes
300 mb free data usage after it 0.25/mb rated in 10kb

how do i have to setup lcminutes to have it running right?

[audino]

Hi,

I just upgraded my contract to 300mb free usage but when i update my rateplane into lcminutes it still shows my old value... even if i change to 3244234 free data usage it still shows 30mb on the <72> in home screen.
how can i solve this?

also ive got a problem with the call time when im got a call of 2:45 lcminutes calculates it like 4 minutes...
can anyone help me?
my contrac is very simple:
every minute 0.15 Cents always rated in full minutes
300 mb free data usage after it 0.25/mb rated in 10kb

how do i have to setup lcminutes to have it running right?

now Ive got it workin, how I dont know :-(
but since 01.12. Ive the following issue, if i go online on 3g it counts the data and shows it on today screen, when i disconect the data line lcminutes set the used datatrafic back to the value setup in balances...

is this thing working anytime without a error or do Ive to use aother programm for counting?

[popave]

Hi, great app, any chance to add or do you know an app the drop the call after a period of time? I'm in Mexico and I have a plan where I can talk for 5 minutes for free with some numbers, the issue is that if talk for more that 5 mins I get charged with another rate that is high than the one I have.... I need a "timer" that alert me or automatically drop the call... does anyone knows something I can use?

[be_on_edge]

Helo, i just found this good piece of software, and i did read all this topic and teh blog. However it is not clear at all how to configure it.
Specially the standard plan cost, what is the meanings of all the values ?

I'd like to understand how to configure and use it well, but the infos are very not good given. I did read also the FAQ but an explanation likes: Go to menu - setting - fares. Is not enought.

Anyhoo, can anybody point me on a good resorce ? Or i would write it by myself if needed, i just dont have all the infos now.

My plan is:

14€ per month.
120 free mins
100 free sms

9.00-18.00 at 0,47€ per minute
18.00-9.00 at 0,15€ per minute
weekend as evening

0,12€ per SMS
data connection at 0,12€ every 15 mins

thanks in advance to anybody will help me.

Francesco

[illi]

Helo, i just found this good piece of software, and i did read all this topic and teh blog. However it is not clear at all how to configure it.
Specially the standard plan cost, what is the meanings of all the values ?

I'd like to understand how to configure and use it well, but the infos are very not good given. I did read also the FAQ but an explanation likes: Go to menu - setting - fares. Is not enought.

Anyhoo, can anybody point me on a good resorce ? Or i would write it by myself if needed, i just dont have all the infos now.

My plan is:

14€ per month.
120 free mins
100 free sms

9.00-18.00 at 0,47€ per minute
18.00-9.00 at 0,15€ per minute
weekend as evening

0,12€ per SMS
data connection at 0,12€ every 15 mins

thanks in advance to anybody will help me.

Francesco

I suggest you read the guide here:
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For more information, please visit http://lctools.blogspot.com.
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[zen kun]

hey im using the latest version 1.55 abnd its nice but i have a problem if someone figure out pls tell me.
i have "5" minutes free for some numbers so after that i should hang on but i dont understand how suppose works the alert
i want alert at minute 4 or 4:15 to have time to say let me call u again and hang on. but the sounds does not beep when talk perhaps using
150 seconds and after 60 second on outgoing calls sound like 3:15 but sometimes sound in random times ro dont even sound. S: any help for this?thanks