Polaris features same Problems as Kaiser?

[Hornet331]

Im really looking forward for this phone, but after reading about the problem with the kaiser (which is the same device, just minor changes) i am a bit insecure if i should buy it.

I really dont care about gaming on smartphones, but the video playback issue is a big no go. Anyone of the lucky owners can test videoplayback with the cruise?

Im especially interessted in the playback of xvid/divx material. :)

thx to anyone who sacrifices some time on this.

[Rudegar]

you should spc what resolution the movie was in

there would be a world of difference between a 800_600 video
and a divx in 240_320

[Hornet331]

well the worse case would be 640x480, anything higher than that would end in the converter. ;)

[kipmast]

I posted on this yesterday in regards to the video playback. I hate to say It is worse than my Kaiser. So bad I cannot watch even a short clip w/out getting mad. This is before I even loaded other programs onto this! The overall device is good in my opinion. Very light! However the video/media was a big factor in me purchasing the Cruise. I am sending this back on Monday and settling with my Touch Enhanced and Kaiser. I'm very glad I didn't sell either of these before I got the cruise!:)

[Hornet331]

bummer... so i think ill wait see how it turns out. On paper the TC should support hardware acceleration for video playback, seems its the same issue that is pressent on the kaiser (missing drivers...) :(

[batumulia]

Hmm interesting, I hope they update that with a new firmware version...

[borealcool]

I posted on this yesterday in regards to the video playback. I hate to say It is worse than my Kaiser. So bad I cannot watch even a short clip w/out getting mad. This is before I even loaded other programs onto this! The overall device is good in my opinion. Very light! However the video/media was a big factor in me purchasing the Cruise. I am sending this back on Monday and settling with my Touch Enhanced and Kaiser. I'm very glad I didn't sell either of these before I got the cruise!:)
Well, that confirms it. HTC is now in the business of shipping new form factors (eye candy) and not improved devices. At these prices it's disgusting really. Before anyone say it has an FM radio, they've been putting those in gadget watches for more than a decade :rolleyes:

This thread should be stickied before HTC enjoys another Kaiser-like buying frenzy :mad:

[energy59]

The hardware is same, the difference is only the Radio FM and the keyboard:D :D

[Pawel062]

get olipro and cmonex to rewrite the drivers and then the problem wont be there anymore.

[spellshaper]

I just read topic "Kaiser Video Driver Bounty" and if this is true for Polaris I am really scared now. I want to buy Polaris, but after that I am not sure...

So is the same true for Polaris or not? And I am also thinking about Trinity it also have same problem?

If for Kaiser there stil isnt solution, is possible that for Touch Crouise there will be?

[Rudegar]

trinity dont share cpu with kaiser and polaris so it's problems are it's own

[Pawel062]

yes trinity doesnt have the issue. dont worry everyone u are all overreacting. remember xda was created to also fix problems the manuf. didnt fix so we will fix this one. coreplayer developers have gotten the drivers working properly for video playback so same will be applied to trinity. also cmonex and olipro might get to work on some drivers if they are still needed after that.

[spellshaper]

I thoughht its more software problem of HTC not only CPU. So if I understand you, Trinity dont have this problem?!?
EDIT:
Thanks Pawel062 you were qiuck, so from your answer it seems I should buy Touch Cruise and you, smart guys, will fix everything other?!? :-D...
but my second question still lasts:

Can you please tell me than if Trinity will be better to buy than Touch Cruise?
I dont want to be OT, so can you tell your opinios here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=355339) please.

[Pawel062]

I thoughht its more software problem of HTC not only CPU. So if I understand you, Trinity dont have this problem?!?
EDIT:
Thanks Pawel062 you were qiuck, so from your answer it seems I should buy Touch Cruise and you, smart guys, will fix everything other?!? :-D...
but my second question still lasts:

Can you please tell me than if Trinity will be better to buy than Touch Cruise?
I dont want to be OT, so can you tell your opinios here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=355339) please.

dont worry about OT. no it is not better to buy trinity. the cruise is a upgrade in almos every way to it. like i said we will try to solve every single problem out there. the video playback if we dont have a chance to solve it will be by coreplayer team. the rest with the help of cmonex and olipro and rest of team should be no problem at all.

[Hornet331]

good, the video playback issue is the main turnoff for meright now, but if you guys can handel it i think i buy the TC. :)

[nosnoop]

the video playback if we dont have a chance to solve it will be by coreplayer team. the rest with the help of cmonex and olipro and rest of team should be no problem at all.

Have they solved it for TyTN II? If it is so fixable, why did they have a petition going for HTC?

[Pawel062]

the petition was started before the coreplayer progress i believe and it was also to keep htc from doing something like this. everything is fixable if u know how, have the time, and have the resources.

the athena project has been able to concur almost every single challenge we had coming our way. we will do the same with the polaris if given the chance and devices.

[jgermuga]

the petition was started before the coreplayer progress i believe and it was also to keep htc from doing something like this. everything is fixable if u know how, have the time, and have the resources.

the athena project has been able to concur almost every single challenge we had coming our way. we will do the same with the polaris if given the chance and devices.


I appreciate your confidence but I think it is not right to advise people that this will indeed be fixed. Unless you have a solution I can download right now, this is still an issue and you should not be telling people that they can purchase this device with peace of mind that there will be a solution, because in fact you do not know how or when it will be fixed.

Another thing to consider is that the price of coreplayer is still TBD. What if they charge more than $100?? As it stands, the price is reasonable at $21.95, but it is no guarantee that the price of the next version will not be more to cover dev costs. And it remains to be seen if it will fix gaming and/or camera issues. I will be keeping my money in my pocket until something better comes along.

[Pawel062]

I appreciate your confidence but I think it is not right to advise people that this will indeed be fixed. Unless you have a solution I can download right now, this is still an issue and you should not be telling people that they can purchase this device with peace of mind that there will be a solution, because in fact you do not know how or when it will be fixed.

Another thing to consider is that the price of coreplayer is still TBD. What if they charge more than $100?? As it stands, the price is reasonable at $21.95, but it is no guarantee that the price of the next version will not be more to cover dev costs. And it remains to be seen if it will fix gaming and/or camera issues. I will be keeping my money in my pocket until something better comes along.

:rolleyes: ug u people always have to be so negative and question the developers. listen coreplayer has promised a solution to be available soon. they have not commented about any price raises about this or anything. if the price does go up it wont be much. no one will pay 100 for coreplayer and both of us know that.

the problem is know and how to fix it is being researched properly.

the truth is the developers could do the fix but theres a few factors. first is the time it takes. it takes a while to do a driver like this for a pretty much undocumented device really. people have jobs and lives. the second is no one is going to do this for free. thats why theres a bounty in the kaiser forums.

the bounty though i believe is small but people are willing to do it including cmonex. remember xda developers is ment to solve problems manufactures arent able to fix. so there will be a fix.

[HyperM3]

So if I didnt care about video playback whatsoever, would you recommend the phone otherwise?

[jgermuga]

:rolleyes: ug u people always have to be so negative and question the developers.

Sorry, but I am a PM who manages a team of developers and they make promises all the time that they can't keep. And the worst offenders of this tendency to over-promise is by the most talented developers. It is why I NEVER let them talk to the project sponsors or the business folks because they wind up creating all kinds of unrealistic expectations.

So is it possible to fix this? Absolutely but let's get real here...

If it is fixed outside core player, do not expect a handy manual to guide you through the process to get it working.
Do not expect it to be free.
Do not expect it to be provided by the manufacturer.
If the fix does not happen to work for you or hoses your device entirely, do not expect your carrier or HTC to help you out.
Do not expect the fix to work without bugs.
Do not expect the fix to become available any time soon. Quite honestly the new version of core Player is still vaporware and it has been a LONG time since the Core team has delivered a new release.
Do not expect the Core Player fix to be absolute, as it is only known to be for video playback, and most of the people claiming it is a fix, have not seen it first hand. In addition, there are no hard facts about how much better it is. Where are the benchmarks? Will it be better for ALL codecs, or only some. What encoding bps and frame rates will be possible? None of these questions have been answered!

This is not negative, it is realistic.

If you do not realize all of this to be true, I have some nice waterfront property to sell you.

As a Kaiser owner, I will be quite happy to be proven wrong but right now I would advise potential buyers that if you want to use the Cruise for video, you would be wise to wait until this is worked out.

[Pawel062]

Sorry, but I am a PM who manages a team of developers and they make promises all the time that they can't keep. And the worst offenders of this tendency to over-promise is by the most talented developers. It is why I NEVER let them talk to the project sponsors or the business folks because they wind up creating all kinds of unrealistic expectations.

So is it possible to fix this? Absolutely but let's get real here...

If it is fixed outside core player, do not expect a handy manual to guide you through the process to get it working.
Do not expect it to be free.
Do not expect it to be provided by the manufacturer.
If the fix does not happen to work for you or hoses your device entirely, do not expect your carrier or HTC to help you out.
Do not expect the fix to work without bugs.
Do not expect the fix to become available any time soon. Quite honestly the new version of core Player is still vaporware and it has been a LONG time since the Core team has delivered a new release.
Do not expect the Core Player fix to be absolute, as it is only known to be for video playback, and most of the people claiming it is a fix, have not seen it first hand. In addition, there are no hard facts about how much better it is. Where are the benchmarks? Will it be better for ALL codecs, or only some. What encoding bps and frame rates will be possible? None of these questions have been answered!

This is not negative, it is realistic.

If you do not realize all of this to be true, I have some nice waterfront property to sell you.

As a Kaiser owner, I will be quite happy to be proven wrong but right now I would advise potential buyers that if you want to use the Cruise for video, you would be wise to wait until this is worked out.

i completely agree with u. we will try to provide the community something. it would be nice to prove u wrong. also we just might get this done just to prove u wrong.

[Abbsta]

What I'm surprised at..is the fact that they are billing one the Polaris USPs as "Full multimedia experience" in their website.

I think Polaris users would have a better case to argue if a solution wasn't available when it becomes widely available which should be by the end of Jan.

And considering the various posts in the Kaiser forum mentioning end of Jan update, this may well be the case.

[mavrik64]

Sorry, but I am a PM who manages a team of developers and they make promises all the time that they can't keep. And the worst offenders of this tendency to over-promise is by the most talented developers. It is why I NEVER let them talk to the project sponsors or the business folks because they wind up creating all kinds of unrealistic expectations.

So is it possible to fix this? Absolutely but let's get real here...

If it is fixed outside core player, do not expect a handy manual to guide you through the process to get it working.
Do not expect it to be free.
Do not expect it to be provided by the manufacturer.
If the fix does not happen to work for you or hoses your device entirely, do not expect your carrier or HTC to help you out.
Do not expect the fix to work without bugs.
Do not expect the fix to become available any time soon. Quite honestly the new version of core Player is still vaporware and it has been a LONG time since the Core team has delivered a new release.
Do not expect the Core Player fix to be absolute, as it is only known to be for video playback, and most of the people claiming it is a fix, have not seen it first hand. In addition, there are no hard facts about how much better it is. Where are the benchmarks? Will it be better for ALL codecs, or only some. What encoding bps and frame rates will be possible? None of these questions have been answered!

This is not negative, it is realistic.

If you do not realize all of this to be true, I have some nice waterfront property to sell you.

As a Kaiser owner, I will be quite happy to be proven wrong but right now I would advise potential buyers that if you want to use the Cruise for video, you would be wise to wait until this is worked out.

I work for a major UK ISP and couldn't agree more.
Mind you some of the PM's are just as bad, but no one can beat marketing :D

now, about that waterfront property?......:D

[maati]

The HTC Polaris performs very well at playing ANY kind of video using TCPMP 0.81.

Get it here: http://www.ppc-welt.de/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=25780&d=1199459090

I have absolutely no video issues with this player. Only the original WMPlayer laggs, but who cares?

[jgermuga]

The HTC Polaris performs very well at playing ANY kind of video using TCPMP 0.81.

Get it here: http://www.ppc-welt.de/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=25780&d=1199459090

I have absolutely no video issues with this player. Only the original WMPlayer laggs, but who cares?

If this is true, then the Cruise may have included the drivers needed to fix the Tytn II problem and many, many, many people will be very interested in harvesting them to see if they can get them to work on the Tytn II.

You have posted this twice. Please provide specifics of you video encodings so that other can verify. Otherwise, I'd have to say you are trolling and deliberatly trying to create controversy.

[maati]

No, it doesn't have the drivers 'cause Windows Media still laggs. But TCPMP 0.81 plays ALL my videos without any issues. No special encoding, I just but a lot of videos from my PC to the storage card and played them in TCPMP. They all have different resolution and different file types (.mpg and .avi) and all of them played perfectly.

I don't know how to proof ths for you. Perhaps I'll make a video of my XDA Orbit 2 playing some vids.

EDIT: OK, let's reduce this and only post here. I just noticed that at higher video resolutions than DVD TCPMP is not able to play them smoothly anymore. So TCPMP is just a bit better than WMPlayer. However, saving videos in resolutions higer than 320x240 to the PPC does not make sense, because it only consumes storage space.

[Hornet331]

EDIT: OK, let's reduce this and only post here. I just noticed that at higher video resolutions than DVD TCPMP is not able to play them smoothly anymore. So TCPMP is just a bit better than WMPlayer. However, saving videos in resolutions higer than 320x240 to the PPC does not make sense, because it only consumes storage space.

it makes perfect sense to have them in higher resolution than 320x240, what if i want to give them to a friend who watches them on pc or even on TV or what about all the devices out there with VGA display? :p

For myself i would like to see that the TC is abel to play 640x480 vids without any slowdowns and on paper the hardware is capable of this.

Everything above 640x480 is unnecessary for a ppc. ;)

[maati]

it makes perfect sense to have them in higher resolution than 320x240, what if i want to give them to a friend who watches them on pc or even on TV or what about all the devices out there with VGA display? :p

For myself i would like to see that the TC is abel to play 640x480 vids without any slowdowns and on paper the hardware is capable of this.

Everything above 640x480 is unnecessary for a ppc. ;)

If you want to give the videos to a friend, why don't you save them twice? It's very important that it plays videos up to 320x240, everything above is just a nice feature but IMHO not necessary.

It would be nice if they could finally provide us the drivers, however. But I'm satisfied with my Orbit.

[Hornet331]

If you want to give the videos to a friend, why don't you save them twice? It's very important that it plays videos up to 320x240, everything above is just a nice feature but IMHO not necessary.




cause usually on season of a show allready consumes between 2-5GB in 640x480 (xvid) and now ad half of it for 320x240... and a 16gb SDHC card isnt cheap. :p

[maati]

16GB microSDHC doesn't even exist here in Germany. But: the iPhone costs twice to three times as much as the Polaris here and it doesn't even support SDHC cards. So I absolutely prefer the Polaris and I can buy SEVEN 8GB microSDHC cards for the amount of money I saved by NOT buying the iPhone. This decision is quite easy :D

[waqarz]

Well you can play VGA (640x480) sized videos on Polaris, just set Options->Video->Quality to low in your TCPMP (0.81RC1 Beta). This reduces the post-processing or more precisely the deblocking filter. With my background on video quality evaluation, believe me it won’t matter on the displays we have on PDA devices for now. Select video->GDI, check options->settings->buffering->Microdrive. Refer to bottom for more results.

Following is the link to video on youtube (sorry for bad quality, its the best you can do on youtube):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qhx1Ln0Z8Q

The video being played comes from stage-6 website, following is the link.

http://www.stage6.com/user/Soneca/video/1557452/Capoeira-Uniao-alemanha

The clip has an average video bitrate of 1 Mbps (1000 kbps).

I’ve tried on some other videos as well, it’s the same. Theoretically we are operating on edge, benchmarking reports close to100%, which means there can be frame drops depending on the content, but hey, don’t forget what you are doing to this little thing!

Some details:
60 second benchmarks for the above video:
With Microdrive approx. 103%, without 100% so apparently caching results in some advantage.
GDI/GAPI/Raw FrameBuffer show insignificant differences. Also slow video memory shows almost no effect.
For the whole clip (4min 15 sec) with best settings: 103%

Ps: A nice flv-plugin for TCPMP:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=196939
Just drop your utube vids in phone and play offline!

[Hornet331]

very interesstening, that the deblocking feature eats so much cpu power. Especial higher bitrate encoded videos usually need nearly no deblocking...

[nikiiv]

Guys really - what kind of video output you use?
Have you tried GAPI or GDI?

[spalx]

Hello guys, recently (about 2 weeks ago) i got the Touch Cruise, i`m really happy with its performance, though i`m not sure how should my opinion count due to the fact that this is my first PDA and i don`t really have a rich experience with PDA devices to compare the TC to. So in my opinion, i have installed TCPMP (i believe this is the core player you are all talking about ?!) and i have converted a couple of music clips on my PC (various converters, but all filex use xvid compression), and the thing is everything works really smooth on the TCPMP (the integrated Windows Media Player on the device is crap really so don`t think you can use that at all). I have managed to upload Quake2 on the device and it handled nicely, though there was some lag there, but as i said, i`m not sure how should it work on a such device. In my opinion, everything on the device works properly (except the damn VPN connection that is making me go bold the last couple of days, if someone has experience with that please help before i go mad, i`ll provide all the information needed). So if you need any info on the device firmware version (and how to get it :) ) please let me know and i`ll cooperate in any way possible. Thank god this forum exists :)

[evert]

Well you can play VGA (640x480) sized videos on Polaris, just set Options->Video->Quality to low in your TCPMP (0.81RC1 Beta). This reduces the post-processing or more precisely the deblocking filter. With my background on video quality evaluation, believe me it won’t matter on the displays we have on PDA devices for now. Select video->GDI, check options->settings->buffering->Microdrive. Refer to bottom for more results.

Following is the link to video on youtube (sorry for bad quality, its the best you can do on youtube):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qhx1Ln0Z8Q



Looks good enough to me :cool:

And I guess if I had any video's with problems I could just use something like Mediacoder (http://mediacoder.sf.net/)to make it 320x240, and then it would play without problems?

[maati]

And I guess if I had any video's with problems I could just use something like Mediacoder (http://mediacoder.sf.net/)to make it 320x240, and then it would play without problems?
Yes you can.

[TTboy404]

hmmm, well i think i will buy one of these phones today, if i can find it.

I am tech savvy, but regarding these htc phone and what the people on the forums can do for them....I am a complete noob and want to stay that way.

And I am sorry to the naysayers.....but, my Blue Angel is running wm6 with only a few glitches....it was 100% free too. From what I understand, my BA was never designed to run WM6 in the first place. that is a 100% cooked rom, from this forum. If you don't know what a cooked rom is, they took WM6 from another device, and rewrote it, including the device drivers, to work on the BA. That is impressive.

There are some serious power players on these forums.

Anyone, know if this screen will support wm7 when it comes out next year? Doesn't wm7 have like multi-touch (like the i phone i think)

[Ziggy95]

i confirm that a non compressed movie don't play properly on htc cruise.
I know that 700 Mo is a lot but sometimes you don't want to resize it because you watch, you throw.

So, i hope the gods of the xda site will find a solution for kayser and polaris

Ziggy

[evert]

So, i hope the gods of the xda site will find a solution for kayser and polaris

Ziggy


Hmm, don't get your hopes up... The TyTN II was released in September 2007, and as far as I know a solution is not in sight yet... :(

[brrrt]

What I've just found on the TyTN II thread:


http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1819884#post1819884
I spoke to HTC support in Australia last week and sent them 4 example movie files. The technician, Alper, called me yesterday after I sent a chaser email.

Here is a summary of what was discussed:

He was able to replicate the bad performance with the files sent. He escalated the issue to the HTC engineers who have also replicated the issue.

There is a ROM update coming for the phone, due around February. He thinks that this update will include video drivers but cannot 100% confirm that yet. He will keep me posted.

I suggested that he request HTC to update their website with information about the ROM upgrade and if it will include video drivers.

I think everyone will calm down a bit if HTC show that they will fix it.

David

Nice! Hope they'll make a rom for the TC too! :D

[jgermuga]

If this is true, I think they would want to also provide the fix for the Cruise and the Touch Dual. I am guessing they should be able to leverage Kaiser code for the Crusie since they share so many of the same internals.

[brrrt]

plus the fact that HTC Class Action (http://htcclassaction.org/) forced a new ROM including good camera, games, scrolling and movie preformance. If they don't response to that, they'll start a lawsuit at HTC.

Help is on its way! :D

[evert]

plus the fact that HTC Class Action (http://htcclassaction.org/) forced a new ROM including good camera, games, scrolling and movie preformance. If they don't response to that, they'll start a lawsuit at HTC.

Help is on its way! :D


Is there a deadline on that Class Action? When will we know more? :)

[praystation]

The hardware is same, the difference is only the Radio FM and the keyboard:D :D

Wrong! HTC TOuch Cruise sports 128MB DDR RAM vs 128 MB SDRAM on Kaiser.

[Hornet331]

Wrong! HTC TOuch Cruise sports 128MB DDR RAM vs 128 MB SDRAM on Kaiser.

kaiser and polaris use the exact same hardware, so i doubt they use other ram.

[praystation]

kaiser and polaris use the exact same hardware, so i doubt they use other ram.
Please, you might want to check your source before coming in here and argue abut facts.

[Hornet331]

Please, you might want to check your source before coming in here and argue abut facts.

...then telly my why the curise has exactly the same bench results as the kaiser:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1760256&postcount=44

[praystation]

...then telly my why the curise has exactly the same bench results as the kaiser:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1760256&postcount=44

There is one thing you need to do: grow up. I was talking about types of RAM, if you don't have proves to back up your statement, don't even bother changing topics. Also last time I checked "exactly the same" still means "equivalent", or in that case "=", those numbers are not the same. (you must be smoking something strong to see they are, let me quote you, "exactly the same".

Eh, where did you get what you are smoking? care to share?

[Hornet331]

There is one thing you need to do: grow up. I was talking about types of RAM, if you don't have proves to back up your statement, don't even bother changing topics. Also last time I checked "exactly the same" still means "equivalent", or in that case "=", those numbers are not the same. (you must be smoking something strong to see they are, let me quote you, "exactly the same".

Eh, where did you get what you are smoking? care to share?

First, most of the numbers are in the fault tolerance range (~1-2%) so that means they are "the same". If you dont know, no benchmark run is equal to another, even if you run the benchmark on the same machine, every run will be slightly different, also we are testing 2 different devices with different software installed on them, so we dont know how this difference affect the numbers.
Given the fact that most of the benchmarks are in range of 1-2% (except one anomaly) i say the devices have the exact same hardware.

Second, do you know the difference between SDR-SDRAM and DDR-SDRAM?
DDR offers twice as much bandwidth as SDR at the same frequency.
So if your claim would be correct, that the polaris has DDR while the kaiser only has SDR, the polaris would be twice as fast in the memory benchmarks. Thought that would only be in theory, in reality you wont see such a big increase, but it would be far more than 1-2%.


Also insulting a person that has not same opinion, really shows who needs to grow up...

[norf1983]

I am sorry but i am a complete noob.

Can i play 320x240 video with TCPMP on my polaris without a problem.
cheers

[evert]

I do not have a TC myself, but from what I have gathered from the various postings: 'Yes, but...'

Basically it means that it will work, as long as the clip is encoded correctly.

TC owners, please correct me if I'm wrong...

[TTboy404]

As I understand it, but i am no where close to some of gods that float around on this forum. But I am still alittle confused on it.


But, since I ordered my TC today, I took the sales people to this forum, and scrolled them thru Polaris forum, and they noted the video issue. They were actually reading the posts...Then we went thru the Kaiser Forum, and pointed out the Class action stuff and others.

They forwarded all this to their tech support people.

They were quite interested. They said that thier inhouse develpers/tech people would look into next week. The are a HTC dealer, not like cingular, which rebranded my my Blue Angel to A Siemens. Isn't HTC changing its tune? and want their name out, not wanting their phones rebranded?



The big edit, my BA is running WM6, and that was something no one thought would ever happen. These poeple, on this forum can do outstanding things.....I mean that. When I told the HTC dealers, that I think my OS was hacked off a Hermes, with custom drivers...they were interested.

[Hornet331]

As I understand it, but i am no where close to some of gods that float around on this forum. But I am still alittle confused on it.


But, since I ordered my TC today, I took the sales people to this forum, and scrolled them thru Polaris forum, and they noted the video issue. They were actually reading the posts...Then we went thru the Kaiser Forum, and pointed out the Class action stuff and others.

They forwarded all this to their tech support people.

They were quite interested. They said that thier inhouse develpers/tech people would look into next week. The are a HTC dealer, not like cingular, which rebranded my my Blue Angel to A Siemens. Isn't HTC changing its tune? and want their name out, not wanting their phones rebranded?



The big edit, my BA is running WM6, and that was something no one thought would ever happen. These poeple, on this forum can do outstanding things.....I mean that. When I told the HTC dealers, that I think my OS was hacked off a Hermes, with custom drivers...they were interested.

interesting, but its not only the video playback problem alone. There are severl things that are affected, like no smooth scrolling, and the device feels "slow". Also when you search the forums you can see that there other problems, like with bluetooth etc.

You may want to make this people aware of the driver bounty in the kaiser sub forum, and when they get it to work for the kaiser, porting it to similar devices will be easy. :)

[sonus]

I've read the Kaiser posts as well as the Touch Cruise Posts and I'm currently in the same shoes as you. I really think I'm going to wait it out until HTC gets their act together. I shouldn't have to re-format my vids. I shouldn't have to deal with laggy frame rates unless I use TCMP. And TCMP, only fixes my vid issues, what about general redrawing of the screen and refresh rates? The IPhone for example already has all these issues worked out and comes with the drivers to its graphic chip. My old OMAP 200mhz based Qtek 8310 can play videos without any trouble (Windows Media Player or TCMP), there really is no reason to rush into this half-upgrade.