Donations for Kaiser purchase to solve the driver issue

[fisha21]

Hi all,

So, it was posted at the end of last month that cmonex was willing to lend her expertise to helping address the video driver issue. However, she needed access to a Kaiser to do so.

Now I have heard a lot about her abilities across the fora. I am all for people's efforts to raise awareness and force HTC to address this (see my other post below) but I am also keen to give her a chance to see what she can do.

All it needs is for about 25 people to donate £10 each and we can buy one to send to her. I am happy to organise this, with a purchase via Ebay. However, I am not able to put up the whole amount myself. Also if we club together to fund this, if it doesn't work out, no-one has lost a large amount.

I would purchase it on Ebay and post the auction link here so that all can see the money has been spent as intended.

Post below if you are willing to contribute and once we have enough volunteers, I will identify a suitable auction. Please only post if you are truly willing to part with the money. I know there is the bounty fund but suggestions to use some of that to fund this purchase have fallen flat, and I think we need to organise this properly.

Of course, no one could reply and I'll feel quite embarrased at this post! (Mods, I might call on your pity to remove this if that happens!!) But I figure it's worth a try - if we all do what we can, maybe we can conclude this issue.

PS Don't bother posting to say what's the point. I know we 30days to return, no-one forced us to purchase. I am extremelly happy with this phone and would only consider selling if there was another product exactly the same, only with hardware acceleration support! Just want to get the most from the device we were given. I realise HTC never promised h/w acceleration, and that the chipset just has the capacity. But surely the spirit of XDA-devs is to try optimise the experience we get from our devices?!

[djthomas]

I'm in for $20 US

[fisha21]

Thanks. No-one else keen to pursue other options? I have confirmed with cmonex that she has not yet got a TyTN 2 to work on...

[ejai2003]

im in for $25 USD

[zurgol]

I'm in for $20 USD

[cotc2001]

I'll chip in £10

[Nick Collision]

In for $20 USD

[surur]

As long as people can confirm this is a reputable deal with some chance of success, I am in for £10. I (and I am sure many others) would be reassured if a mod was involved in this thread.

Surur

[DarkDvr]

Count me in for $30 US... as long as we can verify that's he'she is not just trying to get a free Kaiser.

[rush242]

$20 US. Plus some letters to make the post long enough.

Criminy.

[nbviper]

$20 here. (and perhaps the chance to be one of the first test dummies?)

[ahson]

i know i dont have a premier account, but ive been hearing about people getting tilts for $149.99 which is pretty cheap. Maybe thats an option as well?

[kareem9nba]

We need a two year contract for that.

[XtreMe_G]

We need a two year contract for that.

not really, depending on the agreement between at&t and the company.......u can do a "device only" upgrade several times a year, some even have the privilege of unlimited upgrades.

[ach2]

Fisha21 has a few posts, some questions & others answers so he looks pretty genuine to me (plus he's British so stiff upper lip and fair play old chap :D:D).

I don't have a problem putting in a few quid for this, but I think it might be better to contact Chainfire (as a focal point) and offer the services through his website so we can be publicly seen to be:

a. Disgruntled with HTC.
b. Prepared to take action against HTC.
c. Prepared to find our own solutions - even if this involves costs over and above our original purchase price.

This might even highlight to HTC that we could work with THEM to get a solution which avoids bad publicity, pissed-off-never-to-return customers and ultimately unlocks the real potential of the Kaiser.

[fisha21]

Fisha21 has a few posts, some questions & others answers so he looks pretty genuine to me (plus he's British so stiff upper lip and fair play old chap :D:D).




Indeed. :)

I just commented last night on another thread that there was a lack of interest in this thread - looks I am being proved wrong. That works out to about £84, using XE.com to convert USD to GBP. I will lay down £30, which gives about £114 so far.

I fully agree that people need to know I am not just trying to get a free TyTN2! I can post a photo of mine to prove I already have one. Or I am more than happy for a mod/Chainfire to get involved/ be a front person/ takeover...whatever works. I just want to pursue all available options rather than relying on HTC choosing/being forced to help us out.

I did not suggest linking it to the Class Action website as I thought it might be better to keep the two separate. Not sure how it works legally if we get someone to develop software without HTC's involvement. Perhaps if something comes of it, then we can link it - otherwise stay under the radar?

EDIT: Besides, it is thanks to this site that my TyTN2 is running as well as it does - I don't want to get barred from here for scamming members! Where will I get all my cab, ROMs and general software goodies?!

[dinfinity]

How about this: Put up the paypal account so we can start filling it up. If we can get $7000 pledged, people will probably happily instantly pay anything between 1 and 10 EUR if it increases the chances of us getting decent drivers. 350 people donating 1 EUR shouldn't be to hard to achieve, right?

Even if nothing came out of it, I wouldn't mourn over my euro :-)

[Sane]

Im not dissing this idea, just telling another way to think about this:

The bounty is so big now, that i would think anyone who thinks she or he could possibly pull this off, could buy the Kaiser with their own money.

Anyway if there is no success, selling the Kaiser would bring most of the money back to he or her...

[fisha21]

I am certainly not saying that I am going to try and solve this - just trying to facilitate things!

Just thought it would be less of a loss, if things don't work out, if lots of people donate small amounts of money, rather than one person shelling out £300 (although I'm not sure we'd actually get 350 people donating even just 1 Euro).

Also, with someone (very busy) having offered to help us out with this, it seems rude to say "Yes please, but buy your own device to work on". Know what I'm saying?

No-one has to donate to this at all - if there aren't enough people interested, then the idea stops here. However, I am working on setting up a reliable method of collecting the money, so people can be happy it's genuine.

Also, bear in mind this is not likely to be a quick fix, especially as Cmonex is also working on other things (and has a life!). This being the case, if it didn't work, I don't think the TyTN2 would be worth as much at that point, so I doubt the initial outlay would be recovered - hence the thinking that multiple small donations would be better.

[Sane]

Yes, I understand thet buying the phone isnt that big of a deal compared to the problem, but there is also that 7000USD bounty. Thats not small change if someone is able to do it solo.

I would imagine if someone thinks that he or she is able to do this, investing few hundred on a phone what you can sell after, wouldnt be the obstacle in it.

If people want to buy the phone its ok, but I dont know if it really would be necessary...

[Sane]

If there wouldnt be a bounty, buying a phone for someone who people think could be able to do it would be the minimum people should do. The amount of the bounty makes it kind of a different thing, on my opinion...

[Jimmyy]

I agree with Sane, and I'm pretty much broke right now (...Valentines :rolleyes:)

But I can't refuse the idea of someone with skill working on the driver issue. So here's what I'll do: I'll pledge $5 for this idea and keep the other already pledged $20 saved in case she can actually solve the issue. =)

Just pm me when you're ready.

- jim

[4Site]

I have a solution for you.
A friend has a network blacklisted Tytn II (he got stung on ebay) that his willing to donate to the cause. As far as I am aware it works completely except for the radio which wont allow him to make any calls.

The blacklisted status will not effect it's ability in regards to graphic accellaration as far as I am aware (please correct me as this is wrong)

Advantage of this solution...

He doesn't want any money for it (apart from maybe postage charges depending on cost, which i might add i am willing to cover as long as its not excessive).

There will be no voiding of warranties.

The people that have pledged money can add this to the driver bounty.

You can also maybe take more risks with this phone than you might with a working one.


If you have an questions please post here or PM me.

Although I think its a win win situation for everyone.

[ach2]

I have a solution for you.
A friend has a network blacklisted Tytn II (he got stung on ebay) that his willing to donate to the cause. As far as I am aware it works completely except for the radio which wont allow him to make any calls.

The blacklisted status will not effect it's ability in regards to graphic accellaration as far as I am aware (please correct me as this is wrong)

Advantage of this solution...

He doesn't want any money for it (apart from maybe postage charges depending on cost, which i might add i am willing to cover as long as its not excessive).

There will be no voiding of warranties.

The people that have pledged money can add this to the driver bounty.

You can also maybe take more risks with this phone than you might with a working one.


If you have an questions please post here or PM me.

Although I think its a win win situation for everyone.

Sounds like the perfect solution to me.

I think (but may be wrong) that a network bans a phone against it's IMEI. This means that all the functions of the radio which work with the phones hardware will be working (GPS, volume, camera etc), it just won't be able to communicate with the phone networks.

[4Site]

Sounds like the perfect solution to me.

I think (but may be wrong) that a network bans a phone against it's IMEI. This means that all the functions of the radio which work with the phones hardware will be working (GPS, volume, camera etc), it just won't be able to communicate with the phone networks.

Thats exactly what i thought

[fisha21]

4site:

Initially that seemed like a brilliant idea. But, thinking about it, if the attempted solutions didn't work, it wouldn't be clear what effect (if any) the network ban was having on things.

I do understand what Sane means though - why should we buy a phone for someone else, if they then stand to gain $7000 if they are successful. It's a fair point. Perhaps they could agree to return the cost of the device so that everyone gets back what they put in?

Besides, the bounty kind of relies on everyone who pledged to honour that promise. One of the reasons I have not added to the bounty thread, opting instead to donate to this who are working on this (one way or another) right now.

[DarkDvr]

I have a solution for you.
A friend has a network blacklisted Tytn II (he got stung on ebay) that his willing to donate to the cause. As far as I am aware it works completely except for the radio which wont allow him to make any calls.

The blacklisted status will not effect it's ability in regards to graphic accellaration as far as I am aware (please correct me as this is wrong)

Advantage of this solution...

He doesn't want any money for it (apart from maybe postage charges depending on cost, which i might add i am willing to cover as long as its not excessive).... ...

That is absolutely beautiful!! That's a perfect Kaiser for us. Get together with thread starter and send it out!

[DarkDvr]

4site:

Initially that seemed like a brilliant idea. But, thinking about it, if the attempted solutions didn't work, it wouldn't be clear what effect (if any) the network ban was having on things.

I do understand what Sane means though - why should we buy a phone for someone else, if they then stand to gain $7000 if they are successful. It's a fair point. Perhaps they could agree to return the cost of the device so that everyone gets back what they put in?

Besides, the bounty kind of relies on everyone who pledged to honour that promise. One of the reasons I have not added to the bounty thread, opting instead to donate to this who are working on this (one way or another) right now.

You have some valid points, although I have to dissagree. I think none of those reasons are _remotely_ enough to not use a *free* Kaiser that is perfectly fine.

Blacklisting does exactly that - it bans certain device from connecting. Server checks for device's IMEI/serial and then just denies the connection. That's all there is to it. Kaiser has no problems when it comes to phone functions, so that is irrelevant in this case.

It's not like AT&T sends out a virus that destroys the phone's PDA functions and GPS when IMEI is blacklisted. They just deny it and that's it.

Oh, and when that person gets it - he/she should just check it first, make sure that he/she is getting same results as we are. To get a baseline and make sure we're starting on the same page.

I did pledge $20 here and $25 in the other thread, and willing to pay a lot more for drivers, yet if we can get a free one - hell yeah!

[ChumleyEX]

Can't all that be tested before sending it on its way? That sounds like a great deal to me. Would it even be activated and taking calls while this person is tearing its insides out?

[mZimm]

Can't all that be tested before sending it on its way? That sounds like a great deal to me. Would it even be activated and taking calls while this person is tearing its insides out?

I agree. I have only done very minor driver editing and hardware work, and I can't imagine why a radio would be needed for any sort of driver programming. In fact, the phone would not have a SIM anyway since the donations aren't paying for a plan, so I can't imagine why this would even change anything.

[Sane]

Y
Blacklisting does exactly that - it bans certain device from connecting. Server checks for device's IMEI/serial and then just denies the connection. That's all there is to it.

Thats right. The blacklisted one is good for flashing and testing the driver issue...

[fisha21]

I did pledge $20 here and $25 in the other thread, and willing to pay a lot more for drivers, yet if we can get a free one - hell yeah!

I couldn't agree more (about the free thing)!

So, blacklisting just stops the phone connecting to a network, rather than disabling the radio in some way? Is that right?

If not, then it makes absolute sense to use a free one, if the offer is there. Saves me the hassle of organising a donation too!

I'll get in touch with 4site..

[Sane]

Yes, blacklisting is only the network blocking the phone from connectin... The imei has been blocked...

[White_Hair]

I'm down with $20. Setting up a paypal account for this will be a good way of tracking all the donation.

[4Site]

I can confirm fisha21 did send me a PM we shall try and get something sorted asap. Keep the donations for now.

[fisha21]

Keep the donations for now.

Seconded -just keep an eye on this thread for now. Will update soon.

[hidavi]

So what happened?

[ChumleyEX]

I PM'ed Fisha to ask that very question. We will see.


Edit"
Yes the phone has been passed on to a guru. I am hoping there will be some sort of update soon.