Nokia E90 or Athena ?

[cryptkiller]

I have had the t-mobile Ameo now for 12+ mths and was thinking of

upgrading to the nokia E90, just wondered what peoples thoughts were of this phone

i.e call quality, reception, screen etc....

Thanks

[leoni1980]

if you like windows mobile then stick with windows mobile, if you prefer symbian then go with the e90 as it's got a better screen and it's more portable. I'm kind of into symbian at the moment, and i've always thought nokia's are good in terms of reception and sound quality. Invariably it boils down to if you're familiar with windows mobile to the extent that you could ever get by with anything else. I think there are more applications on windows mobile and a bigger development group but if you're only going to be browsing, calling, texting, listing to music and watching videos i think you'll definitely be better off with the e90. That's only my opinion though

[EQUANCY]

You'll find nothing on E90
extremely slow
not good sound Quality
not good camera ( smilar with N80 )
built! in but not working GPS ( crazy tomtom )
but
Good screen resolution and colours, some usable applications and some portable than X7500.
Not very portable...
he have 4" screen...
No tv out
yes that's it.
not anymore.
If I was you...
I will never do that for an E90

You may checkt it by your self
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=1857&idPhone1=1887

[cryptkiller]

Thanks for replys

the link was very helpfull on compareing the 2

[leoni1980]

Thanks for replys

the link was very helpfull on compareing the 2

Equancy, your criticisms are unfounded, and that GSMArena article seems to favour the E90 to me.

The E90 is NOT slow - where did you get this information?

Music quality on all Nokias is very good in my opinion, though whether you like the software is down to personal choice. Athena also has good music applications available for download.

Speakerphone is also good - this applies to most of the newer Nokia plines. although the speaker on the Athena is also pretty good. GPS is fine - I don't know where you sourced your information - and has support for A-GPS. It works with a number of GPS applications including googlemaps and Routefinder and even supports Geocaching. There is no Tomtom support at present, but unless you rely on Tomtom you will not be fazed by this.

Browser is a safari derivative and is faster than Pocket Internet Explorer. It also requires less scrolling since the screen resolution is higher. The greater depth of colour and soon to be released Flashlite 3.0 with full flash support will only improve the internet experience. Hardware includes category 6 HSDPA support (3.6mbps as opposed to Athena's 1.8max)

Support for word and excel editing, and bluetooth keyboards.

internet radio plugin.

FM Radio with station download support.

Superb video support with no need to re-encode (with coreplayer). although the Athena has a graphics chip it is not supported, bizarrely so video performance isn't as good as it could've been.

clamshell design protects the screen, therefore a case is not necessary (though advised). In the event of a catastrophic bump the screen will not be damaged.


There is nothing wrong with the camera. Ok, it's not as fast as a Sony Ericsson cybershot camfone but it's a hell of a lot better than the Athena's laggy specimen - and has VGA 25fps video recording.

The Athena however has a big screen and is a powerful windows mobile device. I re-iterate, if you LIKE windows mobile, have lots of software and don't wish to get a Symbian device then don't bother with the E90. I don't wish to debate the advantages of each operating system as it's about what you prefer, but the Athena and E90 both have varying advantages and disadvantages which you'll need to weigh up when you come to upgrade.

Check THIS (http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/Flagship_head_to_head_Nokia_E90_versus_HTC_Advanta ge.php) link for a more descriptive comparison

[Martincyborg@gmail.com]

IMHO nothing! beats the athena so far. The E90 will and cannot give you any feeling of "upgrading"! Allthough high res, the screen is much smaller than the athenas, and nothing to watch movies on f.ex. how many 3rd party programs can you get your hands on for it? 5?! Its not a usb host, doesnt have tv-out, its TI OMAP2420 processor running at 330 MHz is only about half of the athenas intel, as a gps its screen is simply not the right shape "very wide and very short", hell, even the fact that on this very forum you can get a ROM which kicks ass so much more than anything symbian ever coughed up should be enough and it doesnt even have a touch screen..

And if you wonder about leoni1980's objectivity just do a search on his username on this forum and do a few min of reading. :rolleyes:

[EQUANCY]

N95 has a gps antenna but who can say ıs that perfect?

You've read reviews so good.
but lets take a look...
1-Music quality on all Nokias is very good in my opinion, though whether you like the software is down to personal choice. Athena also has good music applications available for download.
1-I don't know where you get this informations from but actually + exactly NOT! not all nokias by exm: N80,n90,E65,6300 I can write much more...
also E90 has very loud en noised speakers!

2-Speakerphone is also good - this applies to most of the newer Nokia plines. although the speaker on the Athena is also pretty good. GPS is fine - I don't know where you sourced your information - and has support for A-GPS. It works with a number of GPS applications including googlemaps and Routefinder and even supports Geocaching. There is no Tomtom support at present, but unless you rely on Tomtom you will not be fazed by this..

2-Oh come on! have you tried him GPS? I guess no...

3-Browser is a safari derivative and is faster than Pocket Internet Explorer. It also requires less scrolling since the screen resolution is higher. The greater depth of colour and soon to be released Flashlite 3.0 with full flash support will only improve the internet experience. Hardware includes category 6 HSDPA support (3.6mbps as opposed to Athena's 1.8max)

3- Have you any Idea about opera on pocketpc? yes ınternet explorer not so good but he uses less ram, who have 3,6 mbps internet? so you must be so rich...

4-Support for word and excel editing, and bluetooth keyboards.

internet radio plugin.

FM Radio with station download support.
4- Comment not necessary. I don't understand why you wrote here :)

5-Superb video support with no need to re-encode (with coreplayer). although the Athena has a graphics chip it is not supported, bizarrely so video performance isn't as good as it could've been.
5-Px270 also have video encoding function and I can watch DVD-9 movies, but E90 I don't think so.
You read reviews in a Symbian web site :) what do you waiting for.
Results makes me not amazed.
I don't talk about:
Perfect GPS, fully funcitonal touchscreen, perfect camera, SDHC support, remote desktop, TV-out, Radio, 8 gb hdd Linux support...

Now you can continue with your ( or not ) E90 but i'm still with X7500
Regards.

[leoni1980]

IMHO nothing! beats the athena so far. The E90 will and cannot give you any feeling of "upgrading"! Allthough high res, the screen is much smaller than the athenas, and nothing to watch movies on f.ex. how many 3rd party programs can you get your hands on for it? 5?! Its not a usb host, doesnt have tv-out, its TI OMAP2420 processor running at 330 MHz is only about half of the athenas intel, as a gps its screen is simply not the right shape "very wide and very short", hell, even the fact that on this very forum you can get a ROM which kicks ass so much more than anything symbian ever coughed up should be enough and it doesnt even have a touch screen..

And if you wonder about leoni1980's objectivity just do a search on his username on this forum and do a few min of reading. :rolleyes:



I have no axe to grind, and if you'd READ my previous post you'd see that I said it's about choice.

Some people don't need a tv output. I've had it on two devices and never used it. USB host is useful if you wish to plug card readers or USB infrared readers into your device but not much use for viewing movies from as it's only USB 1.1. On the subject of movies, although the E90's screen is smaller the fact that it plays movies better counts for something.

On occasion I have been very frustrated with Windows Mobile, but on the whole I've mellowed. I still own a Hermes and still like to tweak it: I follows Schapp's updates and like finding new applications to use. I liked the Athena's screen and I liked typing messages with Fingertouch on the screen.

All I was saying is that the two devices will be right or wrong for you depending on needs. If you NEED a big screen then the Athena is the one to go for. If you NEED tv out ditto. It also has more developers on its case, but I would SUGGEST that the Nokia would be a better choice for multimedia purposes and possibly browsing (so long as you don't mind the smaller screen). If you want more of a data centric/input device, maybe something for stocks and shares and E-book reading with ready-to-go memory then the Athena will be a better choice.
It's not about how many extras a device has on it so much as which of those extras you actually need, and how good you need them to be.

I judge this from experience, and Martincyborg@gmail.com I wonder how I can possibly be unobjective if I currently own both a Windows Mobile device AND a series 60 device. Do YOU own both?

[Martincyborg@gmail.com]

N95 has a gps antenna but who can say ıs that perfect?

You've read reviews so good.
but lets take a look...
1-Music quality on all Nokias is very good in my opinion, though whether you like the software is down to personal choice. Athena also has good music applications available for download.
1-I don't know where you get this informations from but actually + exactly NOT! not all nokias by exm: N80,n90,E65,6300 I can write much more...
also E90 has very loud en noised speakers!

2-Speakerphone is also good - this applies to most of the newer Nokia plines. although the speaker on the Athena is also pretty good. GPS is fine - I don't know where you sourced your information - and has support for A-GPS. It works with a number of GPS applications including googlemaps and Routefinder and even supports Geocaching. There is no Tomtom support at present, but unless you rely on Tomtom you will not be fazed by this..

2-Oh come on! have you tried him GPS? I guess no...

3-Browser is a safari derivative and is faster than Pocket Internet Explorer. It also requires less scrolling since the screen resolution is higher. The greater depth of colour and soon to be released Flashlite 3.0 with full flash support will only improve the internet experience. Hardware includes category 6 HSDPA support (3.6mbps as opposed to Athena's 1.8max)

3- Have you any Idea about opera on pocketpc? yes ınternet explorer not so good but he uses less ram, who have 3,6 mbps internet? so you must be so rich...

4-Support for word and excel editing, and bluetooth keyboards.

internet radio plugin.

FM Radio with station download support.
4- Comment not necessary. I don't understand why you wrote here :)

5-Superb video support with no need to re-encode (with coreplayer). although the Athena has a graphics chip it is not supported, bizarrely so video performance isn't as good as it could've been.
5-Px270 also have video encoding function and I can watch DVD-9 movies, but E90 I don't think so.
You read reviews in a Symbian web site :) what do you waiting for.
Results makes me not amazed.
I don't talk about:
Perfect GPS, fully funcitonal touchscreen, perfect camera, SDHC support, remote desktop, TV-out, Radio, 8 gb hdd Linux support...

Now you can continue with your ( or not ) E90 but i'm still with X7500
Regards.

yeah!!! very glad to see some enthusiasm about the Athena!!

[leoni1980]

N95 has a gps antenna but who can say ıs that perfect?

You've read reviews so good.
but lets take a look...
1-Music quality on all Nokias is very good in my opinion, though whether you like the software is down to personal choice. Athena also has good music applications available for download.
1-I don't know where you get this informations from but actually + exactly NOT! not all nokias by exm: N80,n90,E65,6300 I can write much more...
also E90 has very loud en noised speakers!

2-Speakerphone is also good - this applies to most of the newer Nokia plines. although the speaker on the Athena is also pretty good. GPS is fine - I don't know where you sourced your information - and has support for A-GPS. It works with a number of GPS applications including googlemaps and Routefinder and even supports Geocaching. There is no Tomtom support at present, but unless you rely on Tomtom you will not be fazed by this..

2-Oh come on! have you tried him GPS? I guess no...

3-Browser is a safari derivative and is faster than Pocket Internet Explorer. It also requires less scrolling since the screen resolution is higher. The greater depth of colour and soon to be released Flashlite 3.0 with full flash support will only improve the internet experience. Hardware includes category 6 HSDPA support (3.6mbps as opposed to Athena's 1.8max)

3- Have you any Idea about opera on pocketpc? yes ınternet explorer not so good but he uses less ram, who have 3,6 mbps internet? so you must be so rich...

4-Support for word and excel editing, and bluetooth keyboards.

internet radio plugin.

FM Radio with station download support.
4- Comment not necessary. I don't understand why you wrote here :)

5-Superb video support with no need to re-encode (with coreplayer). although the Athena has a graphics chip it is not supported, bizarrely so video performance isn't as good as it could've been.
5-Px270 also have video encoding function and I can watch DVD-9 movies, but E90 I don't think so.
You read reviews in a Symbian web site :) what do you waiting for.
Results makes me not amazed.
I don't talk about:
Perfect GPS, fully funcitonal touchscreen, perfect camera, SDHC support, remote desktop, TV-out, Radio, 8 gb hdd Linux support...

Now you can continue with your ( or not ) E90 but i'm still with X7500
Regards.

Dear God - have you been taking lessons in eloquency???

I hadn't noticed that the site was Symbian until you pointed it out to me - It was the first thing that came up on Google. Its points seemed fair to me though.

"I can watch DVD-9 movies"

"perfect camera"

"Linux support"

May I just say that based on your comments thus far I don't respect your opinion, and I hope that the people on this forum can contribute some genuine and reasoned criticism.

[Martincyborg@gmail.com]

you didnt notice that a page called "allabout symbian" was a symbian suported site??? :rolleyes:

[Martincyborg@gmail.com]

I have had both symbian and wm devices during the years. At the moment I own three wm6 devices, touch, tytn II and athena and I think it might continue to be like that ;-)

[leoni1980]

I have had both symbian and wm devices during the years. At the moment I own three wm6 devices, touch, tytn II and athena and I think it might continue to be like that ;-)

Well at least you're not spouting rubbish. I don't think my argument was unjust and yes, I was a bit of a berk for not noticing that the site was a symbian one....

[eaglesteve]

On the topic of screen, I like Athena's shape better. It's good for both portrait and landscape. I think E90's screen is not suitable for portrait use.

[leoni1980]

On the topic of screen, I like Athena's shape better. It's good for both portrait and landscape. I think E90's screen is not suitable for portrait use.

You've got a point. To be honest I like Athena's screen better. I had the E90 for just over a month in November and got chance to have a good play on it. I liked the fact that the resolution was so high and that the screen was protected but overall I prefer a large screen - who doesn't? I think i'd put video performance above screen size if judged soley on multimedia, but not in other aspects.

I'd LOVE to know how Equancy plays dual-layer discs on his Athena, wouldn't you Eaglesteve?

I think they each have their advantages.

[Martincyborg@gmail.com]

I judge this from experience, and Martincyborg@gmail.com I wonder how I can possibly be nonobjective if I currently own both a Windows Mobile device AND a series 60 device. Do YOU own both?

if you do as I advised to do a search on yourself on this forum, you'll see that VERY MANY of the posts is about you not liking, or not being satisfied with the Athena, and that you have gotten rid of it.

Your situation is that you simply don't need an Athena. You're happy with a N95 8gb whatever, thats fine, and you are probably excited about the E90 too, although I don't think you have extensive experience with it? but to "objectively" compare the E90 with the Athena is not plausible. You have to take all the specs and usability to consider any competition. And where the Athena is equal to most of E90 specs and functions, the X7500 has a lot of functions that the E90 simply doesn't posses at all :)

If all you needed was a N95, and to play around with the hermes.. superb!! I am happy you figured out what your user needs are!

It doesn't make you an objective voice though, that you didn't need an Athena with all its splendor...

[eaglesteve]

You've got a point. To be honest I like Athena's screen better. I had the E90 for just over a month in November and got chance to have a good play on it. I liked the fact that the resolution was so high and that the screen was protected but overall I prefer a large screen - who doesn't? I think they each have their advantages though.

I'm a portrait user 99% of the time. In landscape, the device is harder to hold with my left hand, keyboard covers up too much of screen, and you're left with too little screen space, given that the task bar is longer. Only when watching movies and using GPS I like landscape better.

[leoni1980]

if you do as I advised to do a search on yourself on this forum, you'll see that VERY MANY of the posts is about you not liking, or not being satisfied with the Athena, and that you have gotten rid of it.

Your situation is that you simply don't need an Athena. You're happy with a N95 8gb whatever, thats fine, and you are probably excited about the E90 too, although I don't think you have extensive experience with it? but to "objectively" compare the E90 with the Athena is not plausible. You have to take all the specs and usability to consider any competition. And where the Athena is equal to most of E90 specs and functions, the X7500 has a lot of functions that the E90 simply doesn't posses at all :)

If all you needed was a N95, and to play around with the hermes.. superb!! I am happy you figured out what your user needs are!

It doesn't make you an objective voice though, that you didn't need an Athena with all its splendor...



I do go through periods of frustration with Operating Systems in general. What I was feeling during previous posts does not necessarily hold true now. If you read and understood my posts in this thread you will see that I have weighed up the advantages and disadvantages of each device. In light of the predominantly negative attitude to the E90 in this thread, and taking into account that it is on a site wherein most contributers will soley own Windows Mobile devices I have taken a slant that leans more towards Symbian perhaps. The question from the poster though was:

I have had the t-mobile Ameo now for 12+ mths and was thinking of upgrading to the nokia E90, just wondered what peoples thoughts were of this phone i.e call quality, reception, screen etc...."

So far everyone has just slagged off the E90, despite the fact that they have never used it. Some people even seem to be getting angry that I present points in favour of the E90 (depending on what type of user you are), but I have presented good points in favour of the Athena too.

I would like confirmation from Cryptkiller of whether he was after adult, experienced comparisons or a Symbian/Windows Mobile slanging match. I may have only had the E90 briefly but it seems I have more room for constructive criticism than most here, aside from Eaglesteve who has provided sound comparisons based on what he KNOWS of the two devices.

[Martincyborg@gmail.com]

:-) well spoken leoni1980 hope our points of view have shed some light on cryptkillers situation.

I did see that you where weighing pros and cons by the way, just that the outcome of it all came off as being biased..

why N95 over a tytnII though?

[leoni1980]

:-) well spoken leoni1980 hope our points of view have shed some light on cryptkillers situation.

I did see that you where weighing pros and cons by the way, just that the outcome of it all came off as being biased..

why N95 over a tytnII by the way?

I'm due an upgrade and I MAY get the TyTn 2. I originally got an N95 on upgrade because I already had everything else. To be honest I thought it was a bit crap at first, then a firmware update made things better. Since christmas I've had the version 20 firmware which makes the camera and general performance great - it even improves battery life. There's loads of software available for mulltimedia and general fun pursuits - great Ngage games and this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=rAaGCE0__dU) and this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=WXBRdiHAja0) in the pipeline too!

I'll see how I feel next month I think...

[Martincyborg@gmail.com]

when the video driver issues gets worked out here at xda the Tytn II will be a good upgrade from the N95. And I do have some experience with using the N95, but only the first version (non 8GB)..
I think I too brought adult points of view f.ex. by stating that a comparison is dependent on whether two products have similar specs. and honestly the E90 and the Athena does not...

[eaglesteve]

A little outside this topic, I feel that there is probably two categories of truly mobile devices. The really small screen ones and the ones with large VGA screen. I feel that many who really needs only a small screen device end up complaining about the size of Athena, while those requiring bigger screen (me:D) tends to feel that anything smaller is unacceptable. They are as different as notebook is to UMPC.

[Martincyborg@gmail.com]

A little outside this topic, I feel that there is probably two categories of truly mobile devices. The really small screen ones and the ones with large VGA screen. I feel that many who really needs only a small screen device end up complaining about the size of Athena, while those requiring bigger screen (me:D) tends to feel that anything smaller is unacceptable. They are as different as notebook is to UMPC.

exactly! I think complaining about the size of the Athena is like complaining about the gas usage of a Porsche. If you don't need the speed, don't complain, just buy a Fiat Uno :D

by the way ahve you heard about the three germans who got stopped on the italian border because they where there people in a Fiat Uno? they watned to talk to the officer in charge, but unfortunately he was busy with five americans in a Audi Quattro.. :p

[Martincyborg@gmail.com]

A little outside this topic, I feel that there is probably two categories of truly mobile devices. The really small screen ones and the ones with large VGA screen. I feel that many who really needs only a small screen device end up complaining about the size of Athena, while those requiring bigger screen (me:D) tends to feel that anything smaller is unacceptable. They are as different as notebook is to UMPC.

exactly! I think complaining about the size of the Athena is like complaining about the gas usage of a Porsche. If you don't need the speed, don't complain, just buy a Fiat Uno :D

by the way have you heard about the three Germans who got stopped on the Italian border because they where there people in a Fiat Uno? they wanted to talk to the officer in charge, but unfortunately he was busy with five Americans in an Audi Quattro.. :p

[leoni1980]

when the video driver issues gets worked out here at xda the Tytn II will be a good upgrade from the N95. And I do have some experience with using the N95, but only the first version (non 8GB)..
I think I too brought adult points of view f.ex. by stating that a comparison is dependent on whether two products have similar specs. and honestly the E90 and the Athena does not...

Do they not have relatively similar specs? I think the main points for comparison are...

The Athena has a faster processor but no graphics chip support, which the E90 has.

The screen is a lot smaller but higher resolution on the E90 which might balance it for some people, not for others. Higher resolution means more on the screen when browsing, and less scrolling.

There is no support for USB host or vga out in the E90 which might be important to some folk.

The Athena has 8gb of storage. Sdhc cards are very cheap now and have no moving parts. The E90 will be 8gb SDHC compatible with the firmware update just as the N95 is.

The Athena can have SDHC cards as well as the microdrive, making storage possibilities better.

The E90 has a better camera with high quality VGA video. It has a wider aperture for better night shots, and the mms software is more advanced, being that Symbian is predominantly a mobile phone O.S. There is support for video editing with transitions, titles and subtitles and video effects. The necessity of this however is down to the individual consumer.

The Athena can be used with more GPS software and has a shape more akin to a GPS device. It is also better for viewing photos and slideshows since the display is bigger and its dimensions are more in line with the ratio of standard photographs.


I hope you deem these points fair.

[eaglesteve]

I'd LOVE to know how Equancy plays dual-layer discs on his Athena, wouldn't you Eaglesteve?

I think they each have their advantages.

I don't know how but don't think its possible to play dual-layer discs.

Each has its own advantages, true. However, if you ask me, I would pick Athena anytime. Not that I think its perfect. The camera is useless for night and indoor shots for example. However I like its big screen, the fact that it runs window ce based third party applications, the fact that it has all the facilities (GPS, camera, WIFI, HSDPA, MiniSDHC). The presence of a Microdrive is a big plus for me because I could then treat the storage card as a CD drive, meaning that I can have unlimited number of them without affecting the applications as long as I install no programs on it.

Athena's size is a big plus for me, as it makes realVGA meaningful. If I go to a 3 inch VGA screen, I could forget about realVGA, unless I carry along a magnifying glass. It is big, but not so big that I can't put it in my pocket or belt pouch. No bags required! Just make sure you chuck away the keyboard though. That's from my perspective, anyway.

I can't imaging surfing on a qvga screen anymore. Nor can I imaging using Xcel on it.

So, Athena, while still having problem with the browser speed, camera for night use, etc, is still the ONLY option for me. There is NO other device that I'm aware of in the market that I meet my need to the same degree. But I'm very keen to upgrade if one is available. I want it to have narrower frame around the screen without reducing the screen size. I want faster browser and better night camera. I want FM and AM radio that does not require streaming through the internet. I want TV that does not require streaming through the internet. I'd pay USD2000,, 3000, or even 4000 to get one.

[eaglesteve]

Do they not have relatively similar specs? I think the main points for comparison are...

The Athena has a faster processor but no graphics chip support, which the E90 has.

The screen is a lot smaller but higher resolution on the E90 which might balance it for some people, not for others. Higher resolution means more on the screen when browsing, and less scrolling.

There is no support for USB host or vga out in the E90 which might be important to some folk.

The Athena has 8gb of storage. Sdhc cards are very cheap now and have no moving parts. The E90 will be 8gb SDHC compatible with the firmware update just as the N95 is.

The Athena can have SDHC cards as well as the microdrive, making storage possibilities better.

The E90 has a better camera with high quality VGA video. It has a wider aperture for better night shots, and the mms software is more advanced, being that Symbian is predominantly a mobile phone O.S. There is support for video editing with transitions, titles and subtitles and video effects. The necessity of this however is down to the individual consumer.

The Athena can be used with more GPS software and has a shape more akin to a GPS device. It is also better for viewing photos and slideshows since the display is bigger and its dimensions are more in line with the ratio of standard photographs.


I hope you deem these points fair.


I think so, sir.:) Athena has far better software applications though. Also with realVGA, Athena see more of the right place.

[Martincyborg@gmail.com]

Do they not have relatively similar specs? I think the main points for comparison are...

The Athena has a faster processor but no graphics chip support, which the E90 has.

The screen is a lot smaller but higher resolution on the E90 which might balance it for some people, not for others. Higher resolution means more on the screen when browsing, and less scrolling.

There is no support for USB host or vga out in the E90 which might be important to some folk.

The Athena has 8gb of storage. Sdhc cards are very cheap now and have no moving parts. The E90 will be 8gb SDHC compatible with the firmware update just as the N95 is.

The Athena can have SDHC cards as well as the microdrive, making storage possibilities better.

The E90 has a better camera with high quality VGA video. It has a wider aperture for better night shots, and the mms software is more advanced, being that Symbian is predominantly a mobile phone O.S. There is support for video editing with transitions, titles and subtitles and video effects. The necessity of this however is down to the individual consumer.

The Athena can be used with more GPS software and has a shape more akin to a GPS device. It is also better for viewing photos and slideshows since the display is bigger and its dimensions are more in line with the ratio of standard photographs.


I hope you deem these points fair.

Sure Leoni.
but you forgot to take into consideration:

1. Wm's strength in a far bigger body of available 3rd party software. Ability to edit photos and do all kinds of things better than the E90 is dependent only on whether you can afford to buy f.ex. Resco Photo Viewer Pro for 70 $ or not ;-)

2. ROM builts from cooks who make clearly superior products than the programmers making Symbian.

3. watching a movie, using GPS or surfring a site with the opera browser is simply not comparable

ad by the way I think "There is no support for USB host or vga out in the E90 which might be important to some folk." is a little weak when it comes to trying to evaluate a business phone where usb host and tv out can be major points!

by the way to be really specific:

the Athena only has sd-mini which is limited to 4gb presently when the N95 or E90 has Micro-sd which is normally sold with the 8bg as max, although I think this is about to change.

So in the storage department theres ain't more than 4gb difference right now, and soon the E90 will have won this race, unless you consider running a portable hard disk through the Athena's usb-host capabilities which will give you literally limitless possibilities.

[eaglesteve]

the Athena only has sd-mini which is limited to 4gb presently when the N95 or E90 has Micro-sd which is normally sold with the 8bg as max, although I think this is about to change.

So in the storage department theres ain't more than 4gb difference right now, and soon the E90 will have won this race, unless you consider running a portable hard disk through the Athena's usb-host capabilities which will give you literally limitless possibilities.

Martin,

Athena's miniSDHC also takes microSDHC, which is maxed at 8GB at the moment.

[Martincyborg@gmail.com]

oh sorry
my bad!

[leoni1980]

vga out and usb host are good features but not necessarily important business extras. i dont think they would necessarily steal the show. One could just as easily argue that a businessman might want a traditionally 'phone' shaped device with convenient number keys for making calls, since businessmen spend most of their time on the phone!

opera is available for series 60, should the need take you. I prefer the embedded one though. I presume you've used the series 60 browser on the e90? it's really quite good i promise you. i heard that a microb-style mozilla browser is coming out for windows mobile though so that might be better.

there IS lots of windows mobile software, and having access to that software might be crucial to a businessman, but it might not - if it isn't he could be forgiven for going for the Nokia. not all businessmen need the moon on a stick - a friend of mine owns a business and has a regular samsung d600.

What cryptkiller hasn't stated is what his needs are, which makes it difficult to judge. To someone who loves windows mobile the answer to which device is best seems obvious, but if everyone had the same opinion then the whole world would own an Athena.

I suppose at least that would make them cheaper: economy of scale...

[EQUANCY]

Dear God - have you been taking lessons in eloquency???

I hadn't noticed that the site was Symbian until you pointed it out to me - It was the first thing that came up on Google. Its points seemed fair to me though.

"I can watch DVD-9 movies"

"perfect camera"

"Linux support"

May I just say that based on your comments thus far I don't respect your opinion, and I hope that the people on this forum can contribute some genuine and reasoned criticism.

Whatever.
The subject is not about buying an E90
It's comparing.
This will be mine last reply at this thread.

Regards.

[leoni1980]

yes i agree, but your input was hardly comparison, more ignorant interpretation combined with a stoic disregard for anything that isn't windows mobile. Your input was tantamount to taking a dump on the thread. Good day to you.