End of an Era

[TehPenguin]

Unfortunately my friends, this is the end of an era

Most of our legendary developers (JWright, Midget, Leo, Beasty, Helmi) now have different devices, or looking at a new one anyway.

Hopefully our other developers and cookers can continue their work, but it is unlikely that we will see new ROMs and completely new builds of WM6 as we have seen in the past.

I would ask you that you always read the wiki (http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Universal) first, and that you don't clog the threads asking developers to release new versions

[mo3ulla]

:D funny ,,,, it means that i last developer who may do complete new build for uni :D

[TehPenguin]

:D funny ,,,, it means that i last developer who may do complete new build for uni :D

I stand corrected

Nevertheless, we're running out of developers for the Universal...

Just got to wait for the Omni :P

[mo3ulla]

wait for the Omni :P

omni is not replacement
+external screen

+-more 3g standarts ( for som countries + but for most part of world useless)
-+128 mb ram by default /// good .. but uni also may have it

-unstandart screen ... pixel doubling tecnology will not work ... it cause troubles in software compability with screen dependable apps
-processor mch slower than in old uni
-screen rotation mechanizm have more details ... his durability will much lower neither universal construction
-fullsize sd unsupported.. you may sat bye bye to 16 gb cards

[TehPenguin]

omni is not replacement
+external screen

+-more 3g standarts ( for som countries + but for most part of world useless)
-+128 mb ram by default /// good .. but uni also may have it

-unstandart screen ... pixel doubling tecnology will not work ... it cause troubles in software compability with screen dependable apps
-processor mch slower than in old uni
-screen rotation mechanizm have more details ... his durability will much lower neither universal construction
-fullsize sd unsupported.. you may sat bye bye to 16 gb cards

Un-standard Screen:
There are a couple of other devices with this (so Microsoft must have a solution). But your right, there are a lot of poorly written applications out there.

Processor:
Although the clock speed is slower, it has a better version of the ARM commands (ARM V6 instead of the Uni's ARM V5TE). Also, it has a dedicated graphics processor (instead of the Uni's shared CPU\GPU)

Screen Rotation:
Haven't actually heard anything about the screen rotation (do you have a link?). But yes, if its more complex then its more likely to fail

SD Card:
Unfortunately I do have to agree with you on this. Micro-SD is available upto 12Gb (http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/07/sandisk-crams-12gb-onto-a-microsdhc-card/) it is *a lot* more expensive than standard SD


So, if the Omni is not a good replacement, and the Universal is growing old - (I can't believe I'm about to ask this question, I love my Uni!) what can we switch to??

[bdigitalstudio]

I really hope Mo3ulla & Ranju will come up something good and stable and hopefully final (bugs free, welll almost...) ...

[weenween]

Unfortunately my friends, this is the end of an era


It is a sad day for all of us. :(

[mo3ulla]

Processor:
Although the clock speed is slower, it has a better version of the ARM commands (ARM V6 instead of the Uni's ARM V5TE). Also, it has a dedicated graphics processor (instead of the Uni's shared CPU\GPU)


hihi .. in thispart not so easy as you think.. without software what will support this new features ... this features will be only on paper
1. windows mobile work based on v4 commands ....
2. you need program which will support this .. BUT PROGRAM WILL BE UNCOMPATIBLE WITH OLD PROCESSORS..... will software developer write such program ? if they may write in v4 which supports all processors ?

BTW.... uni not ARM V5.... UNI ARM V4
3 dedicated graphics processor - :D usless due limited front of work .... for what purposes you will use this graphic ?

games ?
hdtv films? (films bigger than 2gb)
external video out ?


for others purpuses shared xscale graphics more that enogh

[tomal]

hihi .. in thispart not so easy as you think.. without software what will support this new features ... this features will be only on paper
1. windows mobile work based on v4 commands ....
2. you need program which will support this .. BUT PROGRAM WILL BE UNCOMPATIBLE WITH OLD PROCESSORS..... will software developer write such program ? if they may write in v4 which supports all processors ?

BTW.... uni not ARM V5.... UNI ARM V4
3 dedicated graphics processor - :D usless due limited front of work .... for what purposes you will use this graphic ?

games ?
hdtv films? (films bigger than 2gb)
external video out ?


for others purpuses shared xscale graphics more that enogh

You are absolutely right, we are really not benifited from the v5...v6 ARM commands. Eventually I'm sure that the shared xscale graphics is more than enough (unless you're using your uni as a playstation).

[beast0898]

Hi guys,

Just to let you know I'm still around with the Uni.
I have bought a Kaiser for the wife, and will be spending a bit of time over in the Kaiser forum, but have not given up on Rom Dev for the Uni, and have not found anything yet that makes me want to retire my Uni.

It will however be quite a while before I get round to a new Rom release.

Don't forget we still have Mamaich around too, as long as we have the "god" the Uni will continue to improve and expand on it's capabilities, features and functionality.

Cheers,



Beasty

[thingonaspring]

Ditto Beasty - I'm not jumping ship anytime soon.
The only weakness I can see with the Uni is the 64mb ram, and that can always be fixed.

[hbahaie]

Hi guys,

Just to let you know I'm still around with the Uni.
I have bought a Kaiser for the wife, and will be spending a bit of time over in the Kaiser forum, but have not given up on Rom Dev for the Uni, and have not found anything yet that makes me want to retire my Uni.

It will however be quite a while before I get round to a new Rom release.

Don't forget we still have Mamaich around too, as long as we have the "god" the Uni will continue to improve and expand on it's capabilities, features and functionality.

Cheers,
Beasty

Your words were a beam of light through the clouds. In fact, uni is the best PDA till now any one could obtain it. I have had uni since its firts release at the end of 2005, but due to an accident i converted to many other PDAs, wizard, profit and Tytn. In a lucky day i found a person who repaired my Uni, I was too happy to return back to Uni enjoying all what i have lost with other PDAs, the big and high resolution screen, the full keyboard with dedicated 0-9 numbers keys, a tab and big buttons. with the angeled screen i can use the keyboard to dial numbers easly (in wm6 of course) i seldom use the touch screen now to dial, beleive me i have the sensation the I got freed again after a long time of constriction with other PDAs.
But unfortnately there is some cons with uni without them i"ll never think to convert away from uni for more couples of years:
- The problems in radio:
1- the hanging that may occur when dialling, where the screen is stuck on dialing but not actually dialing and u cannot end call. You can go away from phone and use PDA but u must soft reset to use phone again.
2- this occured only once with me, where many persons called me but the phone didn'r ring nor notify the call by any means, every thing is ok with the PDA, i can use it normally but the GSM module is not working at all.
3- The uni may hang with incoming calls, it will hang with the incoming call screen popup without notifyin me, and i discover it when come to use Uni.

- The deficient vedio call in wm6 (it is not so important, i don't use it for routine calls)

- The incompetability of VGA screen with many new enhancements from HTC for devices starting from touch series (HTC album, touchflo technology, HTC home,.....). But this is not so important also, as there is other sotware that colud compensate such as Spb pocket plus 4+.

I don't know much about Omni, but from ur opinions about it, i think it is not a huge jump from Uni, and there is no need to convert to it from lovely Uni.

Regards

[catch-22]

Hi guys,
........

Don't forget we still have Mamaich around too, as long as we have the "god" the Uni will continue to improve and expand on it's capabilities, features and functionality.

Cheers,
Beasty
Well said Beasty! Thanks for uplifting 'downed' spirits!

Not only Mamaich, we also have The Darkforces Team just in case people had forgotten that most of the new ROM builds floating around came from them, remember the leaked ROM a few months back?

I think our Uni has some juice left even for WM6.1 & the latest enhancements available for her younger VGA sister Athena! The 128Mb RAM hack by Mamaich will prove it's worth in the long run.

As always, a new Uni era will arrive to replace the last one!

[Midget_1990]

I still have a uni, soon to have 128mb of RAM and curently running WM 6.1.1 :)

however my main device is now a nike so my roms/posts wil be less frequent

[teixeirabmb]

I still have a uni, soon to have 128mb of RAM and curently running WM 6.1.1 :)
WOW!! An Universal with 6.1.1 and 128Mb...

[TehPenguin]

Hi guys,

Just to let you know I'm still around with the Uni.
I have bought a Kaiser for the wife, and will be spending a bit of time over in the Kaiser forum, but have not given up on Rom Dev for the Uni, and have not found anything yet that makes me want to retire my Uni.

It will however be quite a while before I get round to a new Rom release.

Don't forget we still have Mamaich around too, as long as we have the "god" the Uni will continue to improve and expand on it's capabilities, features and functionality.

Cheers,



Beasty

Guess I was being a bit gloomy because I haven't updated my ROM in a few months, and I heard a few of the developers were getting new devices.

So, I'm downloading ranju's new ROM, and I'll see how that goes...

- The incompetability of VGA screen with many new enhancements from HTC for devices starting from touch series (HTC album, touchflo technology, HTC home,.....). But this is not so important also, as there is other sotware that colud compensate such as Spb pocket plus 4+.

Thats a good point.

If a lot of HTC's software doesn't work well with VGA devices, why would HTC release a WVGA device?? Guess that kinda makes the Omni look *very* doubtful...

[mo3ulla]

running WM 6.1.1 :)



how many trial period remain ????? :D ( who in theme will understand what i mean)

[catch-22]

I still have a uni, soon to have 128mb of RAM and curently running WM 6.1.1 :)

however my main device is now a nike so my roms/posts wil be less frequent
Forgive me if I unintentionally overlooked you Sir as one of the ROM builders!

There it goes fellow Uni owners, our own mod itself has WM6.1.1 ROM confirmed running in Uni. I'm curious when it's going to be made "public" :D :)

[DaVince]

My girlfriend's the one using my Uni now, and believe it or not, she's using a WM5 ROM... you know why? Because we need video call.

Ever since last year, I've been very active here in the Universal thread, always hoping for a WM6 for Uni that fully supports video call... alas.. that day never came. Although there have been other improvements for the Uni.. but none of them really concerns me. I've already had a TyTN and now a Nike.. looks like my girlfriends Uni is going to get replaced with a Nike too (since this device is just too damn sexy :D). The only thing I missed would be the VGA screen (although the great features of Opera Mini, full TouchFlo support, and almost complete apps compatibility for QVGA made me miss the VGA a lot less since VGA always gives me problems with app compatibility).

We have to face it. The Universal is still being used and modded until today (much like the PlayStation2), but it's era has already ended.

[beast0898]

My girlfriend's the one using my Uni now, and believe it or not, she's using a WM5 ROM... you know why? Because we need video call.

Ever since last year, I've been very active here in the Universal thread, always hoping for a WM6 for Uni that fully supports video call... alas.. that day never came. Although there have been other improvements for the Uni.. but none of them really concerns me. I've already had a TyTN and now a Nike.. looks like my girlfriends Uni is going to get replaced with a Nike too (since this device is just too damn sexy :D). The only thing I missed would be the VGA screen (although the great features of Opera Mini, full TouchFlo support, and almost complete apps compatibility for QVGA made me miss the VGA a lot less since VGA always gives me problems with app compatibility).

We have to face it. The Universal is still being used and modded until today (much like the PlayStation2), but it's era has already ended.

Hey Davince,

Long time since we've seen you around my friend......

I have to disagree with you my friend, as far as Business productivity tool, nothing on the market has come close to the Universal......... it is the only device with a decent sized screen for writing emails and working with documents and no other device has a keyboard as comprehensive or useable as the Uni's.

The Universal era has not ended, with the introduction of Mamaich's great patch to support 128 mb memory and SDHC cards, you will find it impossible to find another PDA on the market that matches for speed, functionality and storage capacity. The Kaiser and other devices that use mini SD's can only support 16GB cards........the Uni beats that too.

The Uni has been reborn, and is far from dead my friend!!

Cheers,


Beasty

[Midget_1990]

how many trial period remain ????? :D ( who in theme will understand what i mean)

no trial period :p Ive got the real thing :)

[jrronimo]

no trial period :p Ive got the real thing :)

When are you going to release for us a ROM, then??? :)

[dreamtheater39]

no trial period :p Ive got the real thing :)
hey midget!!

Gawddd, do I envy you or what???!!?!! :)

When would it be made public? Approximately? :D
Could you atleast tell us what's new and what to expect in 6.1???

Thanks and cheers!
San

[lukeap69]

my uni is dancing in excitement.

[beast0898]

hey midget!!

Gawddd, do I envy you or what???!!?!! :)

When would it be made public? Approximately? :D
Could you atleast tell us what's new and what to expect in 6.1???

Thanks and cheers!
San

hi all,


6.1 Can not be released at the moment.


Cheers,


Beasty

[Midget_1990]

6.1 Can not be released at the moment.

Indeed, just letting everyone know there is hope for the uni :)

[DJ Palmis]

Indeed, just letting everyone know there is hope for the uni :)

Oh.. We can have 6.1!!
WOW.....
So: in WM6 we have no videocall.
But, DON'T CARE: NOBODY use videocall...!

Nobody WHO??.. I don't know.

Let's make a pool:
What we will loose upgrading to WM6.1:

You can upgrade but there are NO:
A) SCREEN DRIVER..
Well.. DON'T CARE..

B) PHONE..
Well.. DON'T CARE..

C) SMS
Well.. DON'T CARE..

D) KEYBOARD DRIVER
Well.. DON'T CARE!

For those who cares (like me)...

Simply use the good WM5(like me)..

Because.. I USE WHAT I BUY....................................!!!

[Midget_1990]

Oh.. We can have 6.1!!
WOW.....
So: in WM6 we have no videocall.
But, DON'T CARE: NOBODY use videocall...!

Nobody WHO??.. I don't know.

Let's make a pool:
What we will loose upgrading to WM6.1:

You can upgrade but there are NO:
A) SCREEN DRIVER..
Well.. DON'T CARE..

B) PHONE..
Well.. DON'T CARE..

C) SMS
Well.. DON'T CARE..

D) KEYBOARD DRIVER
Well.. DON'T CARE!

For those who cares (like me)...

Simply use the good WM5(like me)..

Because.. I USE WHAT I BUY....................................!!!

ok....

been taking you're happy pills recently? ;)

[DJ Palmis]

ok....

been taking you're happy pills recently? ;)

You reason..
Sorry.
But it's very sad to see Universal upgrading forum with only one or two ROM..
And what is the reason?
"I don't use this, i don't use that.."
There are people who make ROM for those who weld their Universal (128 MB.. WOW..) BUT the same people don't care about a chip that is already on Motherboard!!!!
That's incredible!
Poor Qualcomm MSM6250.
It's already inside.. But nobody cares about it..
Life is so unfair...

[Midget_1990]

You reason..
Sorry.
But it's very sad to see Universal upgrading forum with only one or two ROM..
And what is the reason?
"I don't use this, i don't use that.."
There are people who make ROM for those who weld their Universal (128 MB.. WOW..) BUT the same people don't care about a chip that is already on Motherboard!!!!
That's incredible!
Poor Qualcomm MSM6250.
It's already inside.. But nobody cares about it..
Life is so unfair...

NEWSFLASH! People dont buy a device because they NEED every feature it offers (if you do then you are lucky) most people only need or want SOME of the features. Personally I brought the device for the VGA screen, Bluetooth, Hardware keyboard and Wifi. All of which function perfectly on WM6. Luckily the only major bug in wm6 is the lack of video call drivers, i say luckily because I'm willing to bet that this is the least NEEDED feature of the Universal for the majority of people (note NEED not WANT).

Sorry for not fixing something i never have and never will use. Video calling, to me is useless and also way too expensive, this seemed to me a fairly good reason why i shouldn't use up what little time I have free at the moment on implimenting it.

If you want to use video call DIY or use WM5, its up to you. However please stop spamming the WM6 threads with 'WM5 is great' style posts they dont help anyone or achieve anything.

[unapproachable2kx]

Since there are always less developers addicted to Uni maybe someone can redirect me to pages,docs,hints where I can learn how to port a Rom from a device to another?

[Midget_1990]

i dont think there are written docs, everything ive learnt was passed down from people who know more than me (thanks guys)

if people want more cooks i may look into teaching someone, but after my exams and I will choose who they are :P

[mo3ulla]

qustions like
1. difference between file and module
2. how module goes to ram from phisical storage
3. what is virtual base adress
4. eip (execute in place ) modules ....
5. modules sections
6. windows mobile boot structure
+2 random

if pass i may share some knowledge

[Toroman]

NEWSFLASH! People dont buy a device because they NEED every feature it offers (if you do then you are lucky) most people only need or want SOME of the features. Personally I brought the device for the VGA screen, Bluetooth, Hardware keyboard and Wifi. All of which function perfectly on WM6. Luckily the only major bug in wm6 is the lack of video call drivers, i say luckily because I'm willing to bet that this is the least NEEDED feature of the Universal for the majority of people (note NEED not WANT).

Sorry for not fixing something i never have and never will use. Video calling, to me is useless and also way too expensive, this seemed to me a fairly good reason why i shouldn't use up what little time I have free at the moment on implimenting it.

If you want to use video call DIY or use WM5, its up to you. However please stop spamming the WM6 threads with 'WM5 is great' style posts they dont help anyone or achieve anything.

Hi everybody,

I have not been around for a long time, and visited the forum today to see if anything new is happening with the WM6 support.... I ran into this thread, and just have to make a comment to this.

You guys have done some wonderfull work done making the WM6 available at all on the Uni as some people made Linux support also. The pitty is that it doesn't work perfectily even today, even after so much time...

I can understand that the developers will develop and put their effort in implementing the features that THEY think are needed and usefull, and it's ok with me, but please don't measure other people's needs according to your expiriene You are right that people don't use videocall,for instance,very often, but for sure there are people using it, and at least people that would like to know that they CAN use it if they want to (even to show his fancy 3G device to some nice looking girls :D). BTW video call is not more expensive everywhere, for instace, with my operator it cost me the same as regular call.
I beleive that more people ever used the videocall then upgradedtheir Ui to 128 MB.... but the support is there...
Don't get me wrong, I strongly support the developers efforts, and I'n not blaming or accusing anybody, they did lot's of great work... just don't justify lack of some features by the "fact" that it is not important for everybody out there.
The reason something is not working or working bad is in the fact it was never intendened to work (WM6 on a WM5 device). So every step forward is pure extra ! To be honest, there is still a ton of things in today's WM6 ROMs that are not running perfectly, it's not just videocall... But, if it works, ok, if not, ok... One can always buy some of the new WM6 devices and have it all :cool:

Best regards to all of you !

[shlomki]

qustions like
1. difference between file and module
2. how module goes to ram from phisical storage
3. what is virtual base adress
4. eip (execute in place ) modules ....
5. modules sections
6. windows mobile boot structure
+2 random

if pass i may share some knowledge
actually i've had about the same questions pretty much =]
we sure could use that knowledge.

pretty please with sugar on top, teach us! :)

[mo3ulla]

actually i've had about the same questions pretty much =]
we sure could use that knowledge.

pretty please with sugar on top, teach us! :)


main q is - i dont need students .. i need someone who can assist in development with wise advice or something like .. tech someone from zero is not good .... 90% who trys to cook .... broke total teach ... becose module structure full of hard to undersatandable things ... without know about that your works will be full of bugs ... becose utilities are good ... but sometimes they will give errors (especially XIPPORT sometimes critical errors in physical map) and you need to know how do it manually if want to cook something without bugs you need to be ready to do all things manually.. most of tryers not ready for this

[dreamtheater39]

Midget_1990

Hey! Thanks a bunch for the great news m8! Feels like i've got second wind :)

Agaiin, could you atleast give us some info as to what new stuff it has in it??? :)

Thanks for your time, take care,
San

[unapproachable2kx]

Actually I don't mind to pretend a full help assistance in Rom developing,err.. Rom Porting.
I will try to learn on my way,
I found Buzzdev.net site talking about RomMaster for WM5 Xip,is this valid to WM6 too?
and another about Rom porting by Utak3r but unfortunately in Polish,
maybe someone can help him to translate in English?

BuzzDev.net http://buzzdev.net/read.php?64,31296
Utak3er http://mobione.pl/index.php?page=porting_ROM

[casouzaj]

I still have a uni, soon to have 128mb of RAM and curently running WM 6.1.1 :)

however my main device is now a nike so my roms/posts wil be less frequent
I find myself quite reliefed that Midget's Uni is running WM6.1, because I feel that someday my beloved Exec will also run it.

I mean, I'll, most probably, enjoy it for many months (if not years :D) to come.

Cheers!
Carlos

[King of Rapture™]

I still have a uni, soon to have 128mb of RAM and curently running WM 6.1.1 :)

however my main device is now a nike so my roms/posts wil be less frequent


Dear Master Midget_1990,

Interesting! I have couple of questions though:

1. Will the WM 6.1.1 have support for 128mb of RAM?

2. And, are we going to see official Universals sold with 128mb RAM?

Thanks,

KOR! :)

[mo3ulla]

Dear Master Midget_1990,

Interesting! I have couple of questions though:

1. Will the WM 6.1.1 have support for 128mb of RAM?

2. And, are we going to see official Universals sold with 128mb RAM?

Thanks,

KOR! :)

1. why not ? memory detection not depends on build
2. offical unis with 128 mb :D :rofl: ... universal discontinued ..... and production shutdown ..

[tomal]

Dear Master Midget_1990,

Interesting! I have couple of questions though:

1. Will the WM 6.1.1 have support for 128mb of RAM?

2. And, are we going to see official Universals sold with 128mb RAM?

Thanks,

KOR! :)

HTC has no further plan for Uni, meaning that you wont see it next even with 64 MB...

[DaVince]

it is the only device with a decent sized screen for writing emails and working with documents and no other device has a keyboard as comprehensive or useable as the Uni's.


Hi there beast! Glad to see you're still with the Uni.. nice to see one of our finest ROM cookers still working with us.

I have to completely agree with you on this one. Nothing and I mean NOTHING beats the Uni's fast hi-res screen and well laid out keyboard.
Not even the Athena/Advantage since it's screen suffers the same issues of all the new devices of HTC (starting from TyTN, Kaiser, Touch Series, etc.) which is the screen tap CPU hog. For those who doesn't know, all the new devices of HTC suffers this issue, which, whenever you tap the screen, gwes.exe uses 40-60% of the CPU which severely slows dows any stylus heavy applications (esp games).

And the new ROMS that you guys have been releasing have been unbelievably feature packed.. so yeah.. maybe.. the Uni is still doing good.
Except that mystery of gettting video call to work.. but yeah, like midget said, it's the least important feature.. I only use it like 3-5 times a week... but it's something that you just can't live without once you get used to it. And it's the same price as for regular voice call, so why use voice call if you both have a 3G signal?! But that's just me.

I'm currenty in love with my Nike right now, but if we get a Uni with a working video call (and a working TouchFlo).. I might start falling in-love wih my Uni again. :D

[teixeirabmb]

Hi there beast! Glad to see you're still with the Uni.. nice to see
I'm currenty in love with my Nike right now, but if we get a Uni with a working video call (and a working TouchFlo).. I might start falling in-love wih my Uni again. :D
We can make video call with WM6, we just can't receive it.
You have a cab here for eg.:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=342039

Uni don't have the cube, but it has a perfectly working clone (uses flash). Here is the topic:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336234&highlight=HTC+Cube+Clone

[DaVince]

Oh yeah, was that was Leo and Beast's implementation from way back..? They were able to get VC working partially. If only someone was able to perfect it.

And btw, TouchFlo is not just about the Cube.. In fact, I'm not really a fan of the Cube. What I really liked was the flick and scroll capabilities. Although an almost similar implementaion was already achieved via efrosts FTouchFlo. But there are still things that you can only do with the original TouchFlo (eg. changing from SMS to Email via swiping left to right and vice versa, viewing the next/prev message by sweeping horizontally, full Audio Manager support etc.)

[teixeirabmb]

Oh yeah, was that was Leo and Beast's implementation from way back..? They were able to get VC working partially. If only someone was able to perfect it.
Yeah, I believe it's a cab made from beastyleo's ROM... We all wish a fully operational VC but until now, no one achieved that :(


And btw, TouchFlo is not just about the Cube.. In fact, I'm not really a fan of the Cube. What I really liked was the flick and scroll capabilities. Although an almost similar implementaion was already achieved via efrosts FTouchFlo. But there are still things that you can only do with the original TouchFlo (eg. changing from SMS to Email via swiping left to right and vice versa, viewing the next/prev message by sweeping horizontally, full Audio Manager support etc.)

So using an Uni we just miss a few TouchFlo functions :P :)

I just can't adapt to QVGA PDAs (specially using opera), because I really use it as a laptop and athena is just too bulky.
So, Universal still isn't dead for me ;)

[PsiDOC]

Hopefully our other developers and cookers can continue their work, but it is unlikely that we will see new ROMs and completely new builds of WM6 as we have seen in the past.


I wonder why I bother? Have been building WM5 roms for about 3 months and whilst it's one hell of a learning curve I think I am getting there with most of it - thanks to Midget_1990 and Beasty for your assistance when I got really stuck. I owe you both a beer or 2.
I have also built WM6 roms for personal educational purposes and for cross referencing with WM5 but never released them as it seemed everyone was releasing WM6 roms so there was more then enough choice for all.

There were times when I have been so frustrated with the whole thing I felt like chucking it all out and digging out my old Nokia E61, but no I stuck with it, developed the roms and released them - all be it minor releases.
On average it has taken me 25 development builds per releasable rom that I am prepared to put my name to. That's a hell lot of time and effort on my part and may I add the users of the roms I have made seem happy with very little complaints.

Add to this all the time spent helping people out via PM that have bad flashed, CID errored out and even in one case a complete strip down of the uni to remove a rattling noise. All the above have been done happily as I like to help out in any way I can.

Then a vote of no confidence like this comes out, which simply says all is doomed because some of the devs are leaving and in the opinion of others, us lot that are learing the trade are not worth it!

So is it time to get me a kaiser, leave the allegedly sinking ship that is the universal and start developing for that as it's an up to the minute phone? Or should I keep with my UNI and just dev for myself as I am obviously, according to the 1st post, not up to the job of public releases.

Assuring you of my best attention at all times.
Yours feeling just a little bit kicked in the teeth.
PsiDOC

[ultravox]

No doubt that the thread caused some action in the Universal forum.

It's a pity that some developers are moving on, but that's quite normal, it's the way of life.

I'm afraid that some users are (in my opinion) missing the point:

- Cooking, customizing it's not the difficult part, like National soccer league
- To port a ROM to the Universal, that's another championship... Like Champions league; very few participants and not all can get to the final draws.

I've been trying for long, when I get the time for it, to learn. Yes, experience users have been quite great teachers ( JW,Leo,Beasty,Thingonaspring,Ranju, Midget and all users that I've PM), but to get a place in champions league it's very hard.


Again, so go away, but new will come, Universal is still a great device, with no substitute for the time being.

The join effort of all will keep new ROMs coming up.

[DaVince]

PsiDOC, TehPenguin didn't really mean it that way. It's just that the devs he was referring to were making the new builds or they're getting their new ROM builds from some first hand source.

Newer builds = New compiled core OS files/dlls.

All we can do is add OEM's or modify registry entries on the builds they provide using kitchens.
If those devs lose interest in our Unis, that means no more new builds. And we got stuck with just modifying the same ROM build forever.

[mbirth]

Looks like the i-mate 7150 comes at the right time. This might become my Universal successor.

http://www.gsmarena.com/i_mate_ultimate_7150-1882.php

Cheers,
-mARKUS

[hbahaie]

Looks like the i-mate 7150 comes at the right time. This might become my Universal successor.

http://www.gsmarena.com/i_mate_ultimate_7150-1882.php

Cheers,
-mARKUS

It is a hoax, it was announced since start of 2007 and not released till now, also, it was removed from clubimate.com from a while. The new announcement now is the kaiser competetor ultimate 9502 http://www.imate.com/product.aspx?product=ultimate9502

THERE IS NO Uni SUBSTITUTE TILL NOW.

Please Midget_1990, release the wm 6.1 to revive the Uni ASAP, or I think the main killer for Uni is the current development stagnation stutaus that we live now. Many are converting now to less features devices, and if wm 6.1 release is delayed more and more, there will be a little develpers and users here to celebrate its release.

[dreamtheater39]

It is a hoax, it was announced since start of 2007 and not released till now, also, it was removed from clubimate.com from a while. The new announcement now is the kaiser competetor ultimate 9502 http://www.imate.com/product.aspx?product=ultimate9502

THERE IS NO Uni SUBSTITUTE TILL NOW.

Please Midget_1990, release the wm 6.1 to revive the Uni ASAP, or I think the main killer for Uni is the current development stagnation stutaus that we live now. Many are converting now to less features devices, and if wm 6.1 release is delayed more and more, there will be a little develpers and users here to celebrate its release.


http://msmobiles.com/news.php/7031.html

[PsiDOC]

PsiDOC, TehPenguin didn't really mean it that way. It's just that the devs he was referring to were making the new builds or they're getting their new ROM builds from some first hand source.


Which is what I have done with WM5 hence the 25 odd builds per release. Any muppet with half a brain can chuck a bucketload of crap into a rom, however if you actually tried my builds you may be plesently surprised to see what works that didn't before.
Although most people wouldn't be able to tell what's under the bonnet apart from the version number and hexediting the version number has never been something I have favoured. What should I do? Make my own version numbers up to shout it out?

[hbahaie]

Which is what I have done with WM5 hence the 25 odd builds per release. Any muppet with half a brain can chuck a bucketload of crap into a rom, however if you actually tried my builds you may be plesently surprised to see what works that didn't before.
Although most people wouldn't be able to tell what's under the bonnet apart from the version number and hexediting the version number has never been something I have favoured. What should I do? Make my own version numbers up to shout it out?

Your work is amazing, really I respect it too much, but what I prefer in wm6 and makes me stuck to it is not present in wm5 and I think it will never be by any means. It is the new dialer that link the phone dialer screen to the contacts directly, and in addition to the very beutiful feature, the ability to use the external keyboard numbers and letters to call even directly from the today screen. This is the main features I like in wm6. If those features is available in wm5, surely I will convert to it.

[DaVince]

Which is what I have done with WM5 hence the 25 odd builds per release. Any muppet with half a brain can chuck a bucketload of crap into a rom, however if you actually tried my builds you may be plesently surprised to see what works that didn't before.
Although most people wouldn't be able to tell what's under the bonnet apart from the version number and hexediting the version number has never been something I have favoured. What should I do? Make my own version numbers up to shout it out?

Sorry, I didn't mean any disrespect. Maybe it's just that there aren't too many WM5 fans right now and new WM5 builds are not getting much interest. Most people prefer new WM6 builds... that are hopefully not just builds with revised/hexed build versions. I'm sure our respected WM6 ROM cookers wouldn't do such a thing just to arouse excitement.

I am actually one of the few people left using WM5 for the Uni. And since I haven't used my Uni for a long time, I never checked the Universal upgrading section and didn't know that you made an AKU3.3 WM5 ROM. I have now flashed your ROM on my girlfriend's Uni, finally I found something better than Helmi's. For that I thank you.

Again.. no offense, your WM5 ROM is awesome.. but the point is: WM6 versions will keep people's interest on the Uni. WM5 won't.

No new WM6 builds = Uni's End of Era.

[teixeirabmb]

No new WM6 builds = Uni's End of Era.

That's a fact, but Universal ROMs builts are that old?

I believe Universal will have development for a long time and I'm not that worried for some dev swapping to other devices. This already append before and their leaving, also gave room to appear new developers.

See Blue Angels example. It's quite old, and besides it's multimedia limitations it still is a fine device. This equipment still have some good developers and recent WM6 builts. We should worry that much about Uni development. Presently, it still is one of the best PDAs ;)

[catch-22]

He he he, the Himalaya is even older than the Blue Angel & it's still running with a WM6 ROM!

I thought that Midget_1990 already mentioned that he's already running WM6.1.1, doesn't it instead signal a New Era for the HTC Universal?

Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems that the WM6.1.1 hasn't even been ported yet to other devices in the forum! (Unless it's up for release on HTC Athena where Midget_1990 is also active!)

My point is: as along as the Uni have ROM porters or ROM builders there will always be ROM cooks, ROM customizers or ROM enhancers or we ourselves learning to cook based on these new ROM builds. Of course, as long as the Uni hardware permits flashing these new ROM builds, the Uni Era continues ...

[mamaich]

Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems that the WM6.1.1 hasn't even been ported yet to other devices in the forum! (Unless it's up for release on HTC Athena where Midget_1990 is also active!)

WM 6.1.1 is unstable (device hangs on incoming call for example). I'm running WM 6.1 build 19400 for 3 weeks, runs perfect. Only issue - MMS cannot be received (have to take a newer client from some other VGA ROM).
Finally I have some free time to play with uni, so wait a week for a new ROM to appear.

I personally would continue playing with uni until HTC Raphael would appear. From what I've heard it would be a VGA device with kaiser-like keyboard and GPS/3G/WiFi/TV Out/USB Host and 3D accelerator. Hopefully dumb HTC programmers would not spoil a good idea.

[DaVince]

I personally would continue playing with uni until HTC Raphael would appear. From what I've heard it would be a VGA device with kaiser-like keyboard and GPS/3G/WiFi/TV Out/USB Host and 3D accelerator. Hopefully dumb HTC programmers would not spoil a good idea.

Now that's one hell of a device :eek:
It's like a dream come true.. A hybrid of XDA Flame and Kaiser. :D

[willy792003]

WM 6.1.1 is unstable (device hangs on incoming call for example). I'm running WM 6.1 build 19400 for 3 weeks, runs perfect. Only issue - MMS cannot be received (have to take a newer client from some other VGA ROM).
Finally I have some free time to play with uni, so wait a week for a new ROM to appear.

I personally would continue playing with uni until HTC Raphael would appear. From what I've heard it would be a VGA device with kaiser-like keyboard and GPS/3G/WiFi/TV Out/USB Host and 3D accelerator. Hopefully dumb HTC programmers would not spoil a good idea.

thanks mamaich. you are uni's saviour. sdhc driver, 128mb rom, etc. hope that u also can solve one of wm6 biggest puzzle in uni, video call. thank you for all your work!

[catch-22]

....................Finally I have some free time to play with uni, so wait a week for a new ROM to appear.

I personally would continue playing with uni until HTC Raphael would appear .....
Thank you Sir Mamaich for the info & the "confirmation" that the Uni Era is not ended yet!!! . So it's going to be WM6.1 as the next ROM for our Uni's.

Hmmm, so we still have the guru's with Uni's. I miss the other guru's as well, mwang, buzz, helmi_c, etc. .... wonder what devices they have now? Probably still a Uni with a newer device as the main PDA ! ;)

[teixeirabmb]

WM 6.1.1 is unstable (device hangs on incoming call for example). I'm running WM 6.1 build 19400 for 3 weeks, runs perfect. Only issue - MMS cannot be received (have to take a newer client from some other VGA ROM).
Finally I have some free time to play with uni, so wait a week for a new ROM to appear.

This is wonderful news!

I personally would continue playing with uni until HTC Raphael would appear. From what I've heard it would be a VGA device with kaiser-like keyboard and GPS/3G/WiFi/TV Out/USB Host and 3D accelerator. Hopefully dumb HTC programmers would not spoil a good idea.
This is wonderful, fantastic, marvelous, amazing news!!
With this features HTC Raphael would be a real substitute to Universal, if it had, of course, at least 128mb RAM and ROM and "pocket" dimensions and weight (not as bulky as athena).

[maxstegi]

I have three questions to the WM 6.1 users:


Why aren't you releasing the new build?
Where did you get it?
When will you release it?

[catch-22]

..... no wonder developers are migrating away from Uni!? :p

[beast0898]

I have three questions to the WM 6.1 users:


Why aren't you releasing the new build?
Where did you get it?
When will you release it?


Because we can't just yet
The usual places
When the official release comes out

Cheers,


Beasty

[hbahaie]

I have three questions to the WM 6.1 users:


Why aren't you releasing the new build?
Where did you get it?
When will you release it?


There is no need for those questions as wonderfull Mamaich has clarified that he will release it within a week. The marathon has started, now we are sure that at least 2 dvelopers having the 6.1 right now on their Uni's, Midget and Mamaich, only Mamaich who promised to put our hand on it within or after a week. Do u think that will encourage others like super Midget_1990 to do the same or earlier. Regarding Beasty, i think it may take a longer age, may be a quarter or half of a year (waiting the official of M$ release, that usualy postpones its different releases) :)

[thenext1]

I have to partly agree with DJ Palmis (responses on page 3 & 4).
You rom cookers should UNITE instead of making each one their own contribution.

No one have been able to make a stable ROM, and with "stable" i mean capable of running DAYS without crashing, hanging, begin to malfunction, and finally require a softreset.
I once had an HTC Tornado, and when WM6 came out, the VERY FIRST build was rock-solid and never gave me problems (though being visibly beta in the sense that some files were missing). The second one was the definitve build and I never switched away from it, until I broke my Tornado. :(
But on the Uni, after the gazillionth WM6 release, no way, the Uni breaks down after maximum 1 day of normal usage. For we still have the same fu**in bugs around, you cookers need to unite and share the knowledge!

[TehPenguin]

I have to partly agree with DJ Palmis (responses on page 3 & 4).
You rom cookers should UNITE instead of making each one their own contribution.

No one have been able to make a stable ROM, and with "stable" i mean capable of running DAYS without crashing, hanging, begin to malfunction, and finally require a softreset.
I once had an HTC Tornado, and when WM6 came out, the VERY FIRST build was rock-solid and never gave me problems (though being visibly beta in the sense that some files were missing). The second one was the definitve build and I never switched away from it, until I broke my Tornado. :(
But on the Uni, after the gazillionth WM6 release, no way, the Uni breaks down after maximum 1 day of normal usage. For we still have the same fu**in bugs around, you cookers need to unite and share the knowledge!

I think that may be due to the third party apps that you are running

I've found JW's 2.12.04 and Ranju's V6 to both be very stable (neither has crashed on me yet...)

[casouzaj]

WM 6.1.1 is unstable (device hangs on incoming call for example). I'm running WM 6.1 build 19400 for 3 weeks, runs perfect. Only issue - MMS cannot be received (have to take a newer client from some other VGA ROM).
Finally I have some free time to play with uni, so wait a week for a new ROM to appear.

I personally would continue playing with uni until HTC Raphael would appear. From what I've heard it would be a VGA device with kaiser-like keyboard and GPS/3G/WiFi/TV Out/USB Host and 3D accelerator. Hopefully dumb HTC programmers would not spoil a good idea.
I posted before that I felt reliefed that Master Midget was already running WM6.1.1, because our precious machines were, thus, far from retirement. Now, here you come, Great Master mamaich, to a virtually immediate rescue. It's really exciting to know that you will soon release a WM6.1 ROM.

Just can't wait! Counting the days...:D

Thousand thanks!
Cheers!
Carlos

[bdigitalstudio]

i guess now we have to start a new forum....

the WINDOWS MOBILE 6.1 DEVELOPMENT... :)

the 1st Sticky would be - Master Maimach WM6.1 ROM Ver 1.0 ( i guess in a week time)

the 2nd Sticky would be - Midget's WM6.1 ROM v 1.0 (hopefully he will release it to us soon enough)

Cheers,

When an Era ends, a new one begins....

[King of Rapture™]

There is no need for those questions as wonderfull Mamaich......Do u think that will encourage others like super Midget_1990 to do the same or earlier.... :)


Hmm, wonderful Mamaich and super Midget_1990. Why not master Mamaich and master Midget_1990. One of the meaning of master is, "somebody highly skilled", because both master Mamaich and master Midget_1900 in my view are very highly skilled individuals in their fields and more!

master

5. somebody highly skilled: somebody highly skilled at something

Microsoft® Encarta® 2006. © 1993-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.


Yes, master also means Lord-God, so please quit sending me PM about the word, "master"!

BTW, wonderful is spelled with only one, "l" and not two "ls"!

KOR! :)

[King of Rapture™]

Regarding Beasty, i think it may take a longer age, may be a quarter or half of a year (waiting the official of M$ release, that usualy postpones its different releases) :)


Question: Have you ever asked yourself, what is the purpose of our life? Go to the link below to listen:
http://www.sultan.org/articles/purposeoflife.htm

Answer: Reminds me about the movie by Monty Python's The Meaning of Life - .... every sperm is scared, every sperm is good! if a sperm is wasted, god gets quite quite irate! ...

KOR! :)

[dreamtheater39]

Question: Have you ever asked yourself, what is the purpose of our life? Go to the link below to listen:
http://www.sultan.org/articles/purposeoflife.htm

Answer: Reminds me about the movie by Monty Python's The Meaning of Life - .... every sperm is scared, every sperm is good! if a sperm is wasted, god gets quite quite irate! ...

KOR! :)
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. - Seneca the Younger

:) Now, thats just an interesting quote, and nothing else dudes ;o)))

[King of Rapture™]

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. - Seneca the Younger
:) Now, thats just an interesting quote, and nothing else dudes ;o)))


Thanks DreamTheater39,

Beautiful quote and I love it! :D

KOR! :)

[hbahaie]

I think that may be due to the third party apps that you are running

I've found JW's 2.12.04 and Ranju's V6 to both be very stable (neither has crashed on me yet...)

yes, i agree with you 100%, this is the situation with most of the ROMs, it starts as a [wonderful] (Thanks for my colleague "KOR" for correction) ROM, fast, stable and productive, but once you start to add 3rd party applications (for me, mainly the arabizer and pocket plus) you start to experience the hangs, slugishness and time waste to search for problem solving.

[thenext1]

I never hear owners of other devices complaining about how their device is unstable.
I know people with Asus, HTC and Palm devices and they never complain.

And I didn't install anything strange, too ... the 3 most used programs on my Uni are Netfront, TCPMP and some games.

But still, no way.

[hbahaie]

I never hear owners of other devices complaining about how their device is unstable.
I know people with Asus, HTC and Palm devices and they never complain.

And I didn't install anything strange, too ... the 3 most used programs on my Uni are Netfront, TCPMP and some games.

But still, no way.

Partially, I agree with you but with some modification that other devices have minor complaints and not there are no complaints at all
. Few months ago I was having a treo and it was suffering from a big issue, if u put it in silent mode it will not ring again till u soft reset it. Also the price of this minor stability of such mentioned devices is that u cannot cook ROMs for it and you should wait for the company to release updates, if any!!

[orb3000]

Hi all masters and not masters (Like me)

I just found this and want it to share it with you to know your opinions
about this model that posibly could be the succesor of the UNI

http://www.mobileburn.com/review.jsp?Id=4019

What you think!
Waiting for the 6.1 release of the next week!

Cheers to all!

[gurila]

no swivel factor (what i call the butterfly effect)
I cant flip it around and use it as a PDA
this makes it a lot less versatile.

the greatness of the Uni isn't only the hardware/software- it's the way it was(is) built. jack of all trades (master of none ;)

the 7150 was supposed to be the crown prince, but it has been canceled (no longer on the IMate page)

so no new butterfly clamshell with an external screen (my only beef with the Uni) on the horizon

[z0d1ak]

i dont think there are written docs, everything ive learnt was passed down from people who know more than me (thanks guys)

if people want more cooks i may look into teaching someone, but after my exams and I will choose who they are :P
well i m intrested in learning ! if its for grab n m chosen indiscriminantly lol