Wifi Progress (NO GPS - antenna missing)

[sackbauer]

ladies ;-)

it appears that some of you are getting impatient on progress of getting this gps and wifi thing done.

remember, you all bought this device knowing that it has no gps and wifi functionality.

if it may happen that it will work somewhen in the future this is a bonus - no more no less. if you want wifi and gps buy a cruise or step back to trinity.

also appears that due to these things no rom other than tom's rom is developed so far.

my two cents on this

cheers and all the cookers out there keep up the good work on xda-developers.

[Olipro]

Don't you have to work on your unlock business?

It's not a business, this is the first time I've ever done this, and I'm not running this like it's some corporate enterprise; unfortunately, for me at least, money is more than a mere commodity, then again, perhaps you're one of these people who sponge off their government to get by.

[Olipro]

thats great news for wifi!.

what does the RFR6500 look like? im thinking although its not in the wings it might be in the nike still. doesnt look good though for gps :(

exactly... historically, HTC float around ROMs internally with GPS enabled if it can be done in software, but I've not seen a sniff of that, so it does indicate to me that it's probably not possible, and is also part of the reason I think it's unlikely.

WiFi is *definitely* there (the chip at least) but like the GPS, it's again a possibility that there's no antenna... buuuut, if not, it might not be too problematic to fit one.

[flashmp3]

ladies ;-)

it appears that some of you are getting impatient on progress of getting this gps and wifi thing done.

remember, you all bought this device knowing that it has no gps and wifi functionality.

if it may happen that it will work somewhen in the future this is a bonus - no more no less. if you want wifi and gps buy a cruise or step back to trinity.

also appears that due to these things no rom other than tom's rom is developed so far.

my two cents on this

cheers and all the cookers out there keep up the good work on xda-developers.

I bought my TOUCH DUAL cause it was said that there were wifi and gps but software unactivated. It was the same when the Trinity was released. Then came the GPS on it. I thought it would have been the same here but i misthought. Cause the activation was by HTC, and in our case they don't talk about activate it

[joaosousa]

It's not a business, this is the first time I've ever done this, and I'm not running this like it's some corporate enterprise; unfortunately, for me at least, money is more than a mere commodity, then again, perhaps you're one of these people who sponge off their government to get by.


Maybe you should be more concerned about you illegal website and illegal business running there, then with what i do or i don't do.
I hope you see this has a friendly warning...
And by the way, i won't spend more time writting to you, i do have a lot more important things to do.

[sackbauer]

hmmmm, you are right - trinity was also released without gps and wifi ...

in anyway - sit down, relax, take a deep breath and donate to the right people ;-)

they are the ones giving us support on our devices ... nearly 24/7


I bought my TOUCH DUAL cause it was said that there were wifi and gps but software unactivated. It was the same when the Trinity was released. Then came the GPS on it. I thought it would have been the same here but i misthought. Cause the activation was by HTC, and in our case they don't talk about activate it

[Olipro]

Maybe you should be more concerned about you illegal website and illegal business running there, then with what i do or i don't do.
I hope you see this has a friendly warning...
And by the way, i won't spend more time writting to you, i do have a lot more important things to do.

concerned? illegal?

they merely pay for my time, obviously you can't charge for the software itself. you're living in a dream world if you think it's reasonable to expect people to give you everything on a plate, so get stuffed.

and you flatter yourself too much, I don't give a flying rat's arse what the hell you do or don't do, all the best to you, but I personally wouldn't work on it beyond changing the NV items.

The bottom line is, I'm selling something because I have the skill to, and you dislike it either because you can't sell it yourself, or because you need it and don't want to pay for it, and fuck the prinicples bullshit.

[Gajet]

This thread is making me cry and want to get rid of my Niki so I can return to the civilised Artemis Forum.
Why not stop the badgering and return to your own projects, Olipro has made an unlocker for the Niki, it is his perogative if he wants to have a minimum donation for it, just like when Tupisdin sells unlock codes that is his right too. Anyone who dosn't like it is free to pay 4 times as much to another company, persuade their telco to unlock for them or stop buying phones locked to the wrong network in the first place.

HTC have indeed released devices that were hardware capable of more than was available at point of release, if people wish to explore enabling any hidden functions they should be supported and encouraged. Frankly GPS would be fantastic, but I bought the device knowing GPS was not an adsvertised function.

Bitching at each other seems somewhat pointless, what is hoped to achieve. You are working on seperate projects, why get bugged out about what the other is doing?

[DaVince]

Dude, just ignore the joaosousa guy.. he's a moron.

Back to topic, if the chip is really there, then it's just a matter of time before you guys figure out how to use it. I don't know anything about those NV items and stuff.. I just wish you all the best.

[joaosousa]

Dude, just ignore the joaosousa guy.. he's a moron.

Back to topic, if the chip is really there, then it's just a matter of time before you guys figure out how to use it. I don't know anything about those NV items and stuff.. I just wish you all the best.


This moron (joaosousa) is working on the gps and wifi project, so you should at least have some respect.
I just hope that one day you don't need to use something this moron has worked on for severall hours and days...

[FuzzMunky]

@DaVince: You are only going to exacerbate things by picking sides in other peoples arguments.

[Vorbeth]

I thought this was XDA-Developers.com, not bitch-a-thon.com

Near on 2 pages of bitching, I mean jesus, so what if Oli want's a fiver, he could have kept the damn work to himself...

I think I'll be back in a few weeks, let you children get over your Tantrum. (That's both sides).

Can a mod please remove all this crap from the Dev forum's, I'm sure there is a place here where the children can fight, but development forums are not it!

What you have to remeber in this world is that most coders put themself's in a class above anyone else.
"I did this, but there ain't no way I'm gonna tell you how", it's this sort of self-centered arrogance that put's a LOT of people wanting to help out! It's just crap.

So what if your "leet" enough to be the first person to do something, Take pride in that fact, but it would be nice to see how this stuff is accomplised, then maybe others could take a load off you, so you don't feel like you sit for hours to bring stuff to the community, no one asked you to sit for days at a time to do this.

Community, Ha, makes me laugh, this isn't a community, if a few closed groups, that snub their noses at anyone else.

If some one asks a stupid pointless question, so what, they had the gut's to ask!! good on them, ask away. I know I won't ever laugh at you for asking.

I think if this site is to be the community it set out to be, some of these closed groups should open up and welcome us "noobs". If they don't want to do that, they should get their own place, let this one be the community it should/needs be.

Ok, rant over.
Pick this post apart, bitch about it, I don't really care.

[joaosousa]

Thanks Klutsh, i agree with you 100%.
Relatting to gps and wifi, as soon as we get something, we will share it here.
Once again thanks, i think your words mean a lot.

[Olipro]

I thought this was XDA-Developers.com, not bitch-a-thon.com

Near on 2 pages of bitching, I mean jesus, so what if Oli want's a fiver, he could have kept the damn work to himself...

I think I'll be back in a few weeks, let you children get over your Tantrum. (That's both sides).

Can a mod please remove all this crap from the Dev forum's, I'm sure there is a place here where the children can fight, but development forums are not it!

What you have to remeber in this world is that most coders put themself's in a class above anyone else.
"I did this, but there ain't no way I'm gonna tell you how", it's this sort of self-centered arrogance that put's a LOT of people wanting to help out! It's just crap.

So what if your "leet" enough to be the first person to do something, Take pride in that fact, but it would be nice to see how this stuff is accomplised, then maybe others could take a load off you, so you don't feel like you sit for hours to bring stuff to the community, no one asked you to sit for days at a time to do this.

Community, Ha, makes me laugh, this isn't a community, if a few closed groups, that snub their noses at anyone else.

If some one asks a stupid pointless question, so what, they had the gut's to ask!! good on them, ask away. I know I won't ever laugh at you for asking.

I think if this site is to be the community it set out to be, some of these closed groups should open up and welcome us "noobs". If they don't want to do that, they should get their own place, let this one be the community it should/needs be.

Ok, rant over.
Pick this post apart, bitch about it, I don't really care.

Yeah, I do agree... except for one thing.

there are certain things that can't be taught, and by which I mean they can't be taught without a hell of a lot of stress and annoyance.

that said, if there's someone else out there with a bloody good programming background and a fat helping of ARM assembler then get in touch.

and I know nobody asked me to do it, but somebody did ask me to give it away for free it seems.

and yeah, you're spot on about the elitism, but we can't help it ^_^ ... got to polish the ego now and again you know.

[cmonex]

Yeah, I do agree... except for one thing.

there are certain things that can't be taught, and by which I mean they can't be taught without a hell of a lot of stress and annoyance.



where you're wrong is this. not all people are alike. some will learn a lot faster than others

[Madman_nl]

GUYS!!!!

Let this be the last post about the bickering, now let's get on-topic again

[FuzzMunky]

HTC's been paying everyone to bicker. To break morale. It's all a cover-up.

[ducamie]

what does the RFR6500 exactly look like?

[madds]

HTC's been paying everyone to bicker. To break morale. It's all a cover-up.

lool

sentence of the day....

[rvintem]

what does the RFR6500 exactly look like?

I can´t help with photos, but there again, here are the schematics...look at the last page of the PDF. Hope it will be useful.

http://www.ent.eetchina.com/PDF/2007..._RFR_AN_01.pdf

P.S. If you want I will email it for you for 5€...mmm...no, 5£. :D
Kidding...keep up the good humour ;)

[rvintem]

what does the RFR6500 exactly look like?

I can´t help with photos, but there again, here are the schematics...look at the last page of the PDF. Hope it will be useful.

http://www.ent.eetchina.com/PDF/2007FEB/DTCOL_2007FEB15_AVDE_RFR_AN_01.pdf

P.S. If you want I will email it for you for 5€...mmm...no, 5£. :D
Kidding...keep up the good humour ;)

[Valvarin]

STOP BASHING NOW GO BACK TO DRAWING BOARD

If this chip not exist we have a chance to get running this, but we have to make this as a community and not this way!!!

Here is what the chip do: This Link (http://www.qualcomm.com/press/releases/2003/press1295.html)

This Chip is 5 Years old. It's like a coprocessor and do the calculations for
the raw GPS-Data and GSM-Data


And look at this pls:
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/507/unbenanntkz5.jpg
there is a chip like the RFR6500

[ducamie]

if someone tells me what to look for i'll look for it. will the chip be labeled?

[ducamie]

turns out im gonna need some kind of instruction for disassembling my niki, ive got all the screws out but nothings coming loose. its as solid as a rock, i dont want to force it.

[Valvarin]

i disassembled the niki today but i was at work and had no microscope to
see all chips

[TryOG]

i disassembled the niki today but i was at work and had no microscope to
see all chips

I kept mine closed, that's why I didn't see the chips... :) (Just joking)

Nice to hear that people really help eachother to solve this problem, but I hate to say this.

Don't let this happen like it did with the HTC TyTN (Vario II).

Succes!

[ducamie]

STOP BASHING NOW GO BACK TO DRAWING BOARD

If this chip not exist we have a chance to get running this, but we have to make this as a community and not this way!!!

Here is what the chip do: This Link (http://www.qualcomm.com/press/releases/2003/press1295.html)

This Chip is 5 Years old. It's like a coprocessor and do the calculations for
the raw GPS-Data and GSM-Data


And look at this pls:
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/507/unbenanntkz5.jpg
there is a chip like the RFR6500

cant see 1 chip begining in RF/RT.. i see a pm7540

[Valvarin]

cant see 1 chip begining in RF/RT.. i see a pm7540

hmm, if this chip is there you will find a RF/RT IC too
I think these chips u will find:
RFT6120 RFR6120.

If you find them it's a bad sign.

the RFR6120 doesn't support GPS

[ducamie]

ive put it back together now. i couldnt see any chips begining in either rf/rt.. unless it was under some sheilding i missed. it doesnt look good does it?

[fritsypeij]

@Valvarin: the document you took the screenshots from, says these are the available combinations in an MSM7200 chipset. All of these combinations support GPS. (i guess by saying available they mean these combinations are the only ones)
Further I think the rf/rt chips are sheilded because the phone needs them even for a simpel call over GSM**** or UMTS and ducamie didn't find them. Sorry if you find my post useless, junior just wants to help :P

[Valvarin]

@Valvarin: the document you took the screenshots from, says these are the available combinations in an MSM7200 chipset. All of these combinations support GPS. (i guess by saying available they mean these combinations are the only ones)
Further I think the rf/rt chips are sheilded because the phone needs them even for a simpel call over GSM**** or UMTS and ducamie didn't find them. Sorry if you find my post useless, junior just wants to help :P

nothing is useless.

but i don't know... cuz this is for msm7200 chipset and we have msm7200b
chipset

[ducamie]

ive foolishly somehow forgot to take a picture of the underside of the board, there was at least 1 more qualcomm chip under there but it wasnt an rf/rt model.

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1964/picture017db7.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture017db7.jpg)

[ducamie]

sorry about the pube lol

[Valvarin]

the big chip in the middle is the MSM7200 chip i cutted the metal plate

[FuzzMunky]

I have read in many places that the MSM7200 has all the features built-in, that are required to support GPS. So why would there be an RF/RT chip? Perhaps I am missing the point.

Does the chip under the metal say MSM7200 or 7200b?

[Valvarin]

I have read in many places that the MSM7200 has all the features built-in, that are required to support GPS. So why would there be an RF/RT chip?

Does the chip under the metal say MSM7200 or 7200b?

MSM7200 and thats irritated me...

[ducamie]

well the software reading for the processor is 7200.. who said it was 7200b? is the 7200b better or worse than the 7200?

[Valvarin]

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2135/unbenanntch7.jpg

pictures say more than thousend words^^

last line!

[ducamie]

oh i see... hmmm.

[ZhenMing]

The strange thing is, there is no information of msm7200b chipset at all... and the advertised in HTC is msm7200... can that "b" means rev b?

if really in the phone is MSM7200b... it's also means the advertisement from HTC is somehow not correct.. cheat consumer???

[ducamie]

could it be that there is no physical difference between the 2 but a firmware difference?

[Valvarin]

could it be that there is no physical difference between the 2 but a firmware difference?

hmm... but how u can explain that a MSM7200b Chipset has a PM7540
IC and the MSM7200 Chipset a PM7500 Chip?

It's in the curcurit plan in the PDF-File here (http://www.ent.eetchina.com/PDF/2007FEB/DTCOL_2007FEB15_AVDE_RFR_AN_01.pdf)

[ZhenMing]

The problem now is.. now one can confirm this... and we only can base on the advertised spec.... furthermore, the hardware chip that we can see is only qualcomm MSM7200

[NetrunnerAT]

If you want know, what Chipset you have -> QPST it tells MSM7200b or MSM7200a?

[Johnston411]

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375917

I thought this might be of interest.

[balviforever]

this is amazing.

[rvintem]

(...) And look at this pls:
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/507/unbenanntkz5.jpg
there is a chip like the RFR6500

According to the table above, all MSM7200 configurations have a working GPS: RTR6275™, RTR6275™, RTR6285™, RFR6500™ and RFR6525™. The only diference would be in the UMTS capabilities/frequencies...

Am I seeing it wrong?

[ducamie]

The thing is, I couldnt see an RF chipset. Unless someone else can find one, I dont think the niki has one. Another thing is the PM chip, theres bearly any information on the pm7540, whats with that? To be honest all this stuff goes over my head and I dont really understand but from what I can logically see is that HTC have built a device with the bear minimum hardware specs for what they've announced. Theres zero information on msm7200b, probably because it doesnt exsist and its just been blasted with some differant firmware by htc maybe, i dont know why.

Im trying to stay optimistic but it doesnt look like gps is gonna work without hardware modifications. (from my lacking perspective)

[gfreek]

I take my hat off and admire the valiant effort that everyone is putting in to get full functional GPS on Niki!!! however after my conversation today (at IPTV World Forum 08 in Olympia) with a techi from mobile tv content provider based in Taiwan, he says GPS is NON functional on the Niki as HTC have NOT included all the the necessary hardware, I asked him how does he know that for fact? he says this is inside info coming from people he knows in the technical team within HTC.

I didn't go their specifically asking questions about my Niki, I went over there to promote my company services, and we just started talking and wanted exchange business contacts, that's when I got my Niki out and the conversation started from there really about HTC phones etc...

I see no reason not to believe him as he certainly knows what he's talking about and the fact he is from Taiwan and as we all know HTC is based there!

On a positive note I asked him about the Wi-Fi being enabled on Niki, he goes thats feasible as far as he knows the hardware is there on Nike it's just HTC put a non-functional wi-fi Radio in Niki, it's just case of getting the correct signed radio for it and it will work:)

So there you have it folks!! I hope for everyone's sake whatever this guy is saying on GPS is wrong!!! we can only pray, miracles do happen!

[janan]

hello all!

I've been following this thread for time and think i've sthg to say wrt to hardware, basing on the photos previously posted.

1. [Mainboard] We can see a PM7500 chip, which is a power management / power source for MSM7200 chipsets. Both produced by Qualcomm and hard to get info about... (see table posted by Valvarin on #272 this thread). It worths its location on the mainboard: close to MSM7200.
We also can see an KAL009001 chip, which is the RAM memory (Samsung chipset) and a Xilinx chipset (smaller), which is the ROM memory, in this case, an FPGA chipset (that is, an EEPROM, Electrically Eraseable and Programable ROM).

2. [RF top-board] See photo posted by live2themaxuk on #110 this thread. We can see, from left to right, black, round camera optics, a BRF6300C chip, a silver box, an external antenna connector (round, golden, concentric metal) and an internal antenna made of a bended metal and solded by means of two big, square-shaped stain connections. This BRF chip (Bluetooth Radio Frequency) is manufactured by Texas Instruments (aka TI) and you can find its specs here (http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12437&contentId=4654).
The most interesting feature of this chip is that it shares antenna with 802.11 chipsets, such as TNETW1100 coming also from TI (see this document (http://www.ti.com/litv/pdf/splt145a)). This makes me conclude that:
2.1 Whatever is encapsulated in the silver box, seems to be sharing the external antenna, and also the internal one (simply follow the thin copper tracks in the board)
2.2 Maybe (just guessing) HTC has encapsulated the wlan chipset in the silver box for two reason: (a) accomplish irradiation standards and avoiding interferences to other chipsets in the board, that is, the BRF6300 and (b) prevent xda-developers knowing what the silver box contains in case they disassemble the Nike :D.


Sorry for posting such a big entry. I need some more time to analise the GSM/UMTS chipsets, which I think are the ones located in the mainboard under the MSM7200 (notice they're also electromagnetically isolated and seem to be connected to the second external antenna connector and also to the metal stick on the bottom of the Nike, that is, the internal antenna...)

Anyone has new photos? unfortunately, I don't have a Nike to disassemble... I would appreciate to have photos of the reverse of the RF top-board and any other boards inside the nike. If not, let me arrive any numbering/lettering in the chipsets you would like to know. I'll do my best to provide useful info.

Just a final word: please, don't go on bothering each other, this denigrates the community and people may loose interest in collaborating this forum... it's my humble opinion.

Regards

[janan]

I forgot to say that, for those who may not know, bluetooth and wireless lan (802.11b/g) both work on the same frequency band, the so called ISM band around 2.4 GHz frequency (ISM stands for Industrial Scientific and Medical, it's a kind of "free" frequency range where you're allowed to transmit assuming any other's device could affect your communication, between a specific power thresholds...).

this is only to reinforce my theory on 2.1 in my previous post...

comments are welcome!

[jockyw2001]

Old news buddy, we already know there is a BRF6300 in Niki.

[janan]

[...]
On a positive note I asked him about the Wi-Fi being enabled on Niki, he goes thats feasible as far as he knows the hardware is there on Nike it's just HTC put a non-functional wi-fi Radio in Niki, it's just case of getting the correct signed radio for it and it will work:)
[...]


this also reinforces what I said before... :)
thanks for your input gfreek!!!

hands to work guys... and thank you for your great job! i'm just deciding whether to buy a Nike or not, wifi is so important for me...

[janan]

Old news buddy, we already know there is a BRF6300 in Niki.

I know jockyw, just wanted to make a review of what we *know for sure* and trying to link it with some guessing about the still unknown hardware in the nike...

[ducamie]

1. [Mainboard] We can see a PM7500 chip, which is a power management / power source for MSM7200 chipsets. Both produced by Qualcomm and hard to get info about... (see table posted by Valvarin on #272 this thread). It worths its location on the mainboard: close to MSM7200.

I'm not sure if it makes a differance but the power management chip is a PM7540 (see my picture post(page 29)). I dont know if this is still classed as a PM7500.

[janan]

I'm not sure if it makes a differance but the power management chip is a PM7540 (see my picture post(page 29)). I dont know if this is still classed as a PM7500.

imho, I don't think it makes a big difference. it seems qualcomm produces PM75xx chipset series, all under the power management functionality umbrella. it's a typical practise, afaik. Maybe the difference is the encapsulation, the connectiors, the logics inside, the power output/control, the output impedance, etc.

[ducamie]

yeah, that makes sense. i'll agree. thanks for that.

[ironmansp]

look at this cabs...

[ducamie]

will this thing brick my phone? its for a N560 Fujitsu Siemens Pocket LOOX

[ironmansp]

there is a file called firmware_update.cab

perhaps the "masters" (looking inside this file) can find the way to activate gps or talk with gps chipset of niki


As I read in other forums, the fujitsu NX560 at the beginning does not have gps functions, so I can suppose that this update is a radio firmware update

This software gets te position of the satellites from internet and lets tomtom or others run faster because tomtom does have to wait to search the position of the gps satellites

[ironmansp]

I have open htcgpsupdate.exe wih an hexadecimal editor and I have foudn the next:

The htcgpsupdate.exe ask for a quit the battery and reinit again the NX560 so it is a firmware updater I hope (correct me if I am wrong)

text found:
G P S F i r m w a r e U p d a t e % s \ G P S F i r m w a r e U p d a t e . l n k \ W i n d o w s \ H t c G p s U p d a t e . s U p d a t e G P S f i r m w a r e s u c c e s s f u l l y ! P l e a s e t a p O K a n d t h e n r e m o v e t h e b a t t e r y f o r 1 0 s e c o n d s a n d i n s e r t i t a g a i n t o r e - s t a r t t h e s y s t e m . F a i l e d t o u p d a t e G P S f i r m w a r e ( C ) . F a i l e d t o u p d a t e G P S f i r m w a r e ( B ) . F a i l e d t o u p d a t e G P S f i r m w a r e ( A ) . F a i l e d t o u p d a t e G P S f i r m w a r e ( 9 ) . F a i l e d t o u p d a t e G P S f i r m w a r e ( 8 ) . F a i l e d t o u p d a t e G P S f i r m w a r e ( 7 ) . F a i l e d t o u p d a t e G P S f i r m w a r e ( 6 ) . F a i l e d t o u p d a t e G P S f i r m w a r e ( 5 ) . F a i l e d t o u p d a t e G P S f i r m w a r e ( 4 ) . F a i l e d t o u p d a t e G P S f i r m w a r e ( 3 ) . C O M 8 F a i l e d t o u p d a t e G P S f i r m w a r e ( 2 ) . F a i l e d t o u p d a t e G P S f i r m w a r e ( 1 ) . T a p O K t o s t a r t G P S f i r m w a r e u p d a t e .

P l e a s e D O N O T p o w e r o f f t h e d e v i c e . \Windows\HtcGpsUpdate.s

[ironmansp]

Am29lv400bb Amd Am29lv400bt Am29dl400bb Am29dl400bt A29l400uv Amic A29l400tv En29lv400b Eon En29lv400t Le28fv4101t Sanyo M29w400bb St M29w400bt Mx29lv400b Macronix Mx29lv400t Sst39vf400a Sst Tc58fvb400 Toshiba 28f800b3b Intel 28f800b3t 28f800c3b 28f800c3t Am29lv800bb Am29lv800bt Am29dl800bb Am29dl800bt A29l800uv A29l800tv At49bv802a Atmel At49bv802at En29lv800ab En29lv800at Lh28f800bve Sharp Lh28f800bjhe Lh28f800bje M29w800ab M29w800at M29w800db M29w800dt Mx29lv800bb Mx29lv800bt Sst39vf800 28f160b3b 28f160b3t 28f160c3b 28f160c3t 29lv160be Fujitsu 29lv160te Am29lv160db Am29lv160dt Am29dl161db Am29dl161dt Am29dl162db Am29dl162dt Am29dl163db Am29dl163dt Am29dl164db Am29dl164dt A29l160uv A29l160tv Lh28f160bjhe M29w160eb M29w160et Mx29lv160bb Mx29lv160bt Sst39vf160 Sst39vf1601 Sst39vf1602 Tc58fvb160aft Tc58fvt160aft C Version = 2.0

[ironmansp]

more text found in htsgpsupdate.exe:

e:\Joe_Ho\Programs\PocketPC\Dresden\HtcGpsUpdate\H tcGpsUpdate\Windows Mobile 5.0 Pocket PC SDK (ARMV4I)\Release\HtcGpsUpdate.pdb



Sorry but I left debugging .exe more than 15 years ago ( when I was younger and my mind had less "free" space and Turbodebugger was friendly nowadays I dont know how to start)

[NetrunnerAT]

About MSM7200 A and B

I think, this isnt a Chip Revision ... this is a Chip Function intdicator!

HTC have tell ... new Qualcomm device with 3D ATI Hardware are MSM7200A Chips.

[ZhenMing]

hello all!

I've been following this thread for time and think i've sthg to say wrt to hardware, basing on the photos previously posted.

1. [Mainboard] We can see a PM7500 chip, which is a power management / power source for MSM7200 chipsets. Both produced by Qualcomm and hard to get info about... (see table posted by Valvarin on #272 this thread). It worths its location on the mainboard: close to MSM7200.
We also can see an KAL009001 chip, which is the RAM memory (Samsung chipset) and a Xilinx chipset (smaller), which is the ROM memory, in this case, an FPGA chipset (that is, an EEPROM, Electrically Eraseable and Programable ROM).

2. [RF top-board] See photo posted by live2themaxuk on #110 this thread. We can see, from left to right, black, round camera optics, a BRF6300C chip, a silver box, an external antenna connector (round, golden, concentric metal) and an internal antenna made of a bended metal and solded by means of two big, square-shaped stain connections. This BRF chip (Bluetooth Radio Frequency) is manufactured by Texas Instruments (aka TI) and you can find its specs here (http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12437&contentId=4654).
The most interesting feature of this chip is that it shares antenna with 802.11 chipsets, such as TNETW1100 coming also from TI (see this document (http://www.ti.com/litv/pdf/splt145a)). This makes me conclude that:
2.1 Whatever is encapsulated in the silver box, seems to be sharing the external antenna, and also the internal one (simply follow the thin copper tracks in the board)
2.2 Maybe (just guessing) HTC has encapsulated the wlan chipset in the silver box for two reason: (a) accomplish irradiation standards and avoiding interferences to other chipsets in the board, that is, the BRF6300 and (b) prevent xda-developers knowing what the silver box contains in case they disassemble the Nike :D.


Sorry for posting such a big entry. I need some more time to analise the GSM/UMTS chipsets, which I think are the ones located in the mainboard under the MSM7200 (notice they're also electromagnetically isolated and seem to be connected to the second external antenna connector and also to the metal stick on the bottom of the Nike, that is, the internal antenna...)

Anyone has new photos? unfortunately, I don't have a Nike to disassemble... I would appreciate to have photos of the reverse of the RF top-board and any other boards inside the nike. If not, let me arrive any numbering/lettering in the chipsets you would like to know. I'll do my best to provide useful info.

Just a final word: please, don't go on bothering each other, this denigrates the community and people may loose interest in collaborating this forum... it's my humble opinion.

Regards
Hi janan, you can find the opposite side of the MSM7200 chip at post #41
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1907993&postcount=41

[rvintem]

On a Niki with the Nikiproject ROM, When using GPStools, set for Qualcomm chip (port SMD7 and 115k baudrate), with cold start, the log is always the same, wherever I am:

$GPVTG,,T,,M,,N,,K*4E
$GPGSV,1,1,00,*79
$GPGGA,,,,,,0,,,,,,,,*66
$GPRMC,,V,,,,,,,,,,,,,N*53
$GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,*32

$GPVTG,,T,,M,,N,,K*4E (and so on, cycling)

Sometimes it gets a satelite going (red bar), but is always at the same spot (North), diferent numbers, but always exactly half-bar height.

I have a nice SirfIII bluetooth GPS, that usually gets good 9 satelite fixes, and used it in a lead-painted room (for X-Ray isolation) where the SIRFIII can't get even one satelite...but the Niki GPS still captures the same single satelite for some seconds...

So...The bad conclusion...I believe that the all the reception of our internal GPS is not more than static or some internal interference, not a real satelite...

Hope I´m wrong though :D

[happytomato]

On a Niki with the Nikiproject ROM, When using GPStools, set for Qualcomm chip (port SMD7 and 115k baudrate), with cold start, the log is always the same, wherever I am:

$GPVTG,,T,,M,,N,,K*4E
$GPGSV,1,1,00,*79
$GPGGA,,,,,,0,,,,,,,,*66
$GPRMC,,V,,,,,,,,,,,,,N*53
$GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,*32

$GPVTG,,T,,M,,N,,K*4E (and so on, cycling)

Sometimes it gets a satelite going (red bar), but is always at the same spot (North), diferent numbers, but always exactly half-bar height.

I have a nice SirfIII bluetooth GPS, that usually gets good 9 satelite fixes, and used it in a lead-painted room (for X-Ray isolation) where the SIRFIII can't get even one satelite...but the Niki GPS still captures the same single satelite for some seconds...

So...The bad conclusion...I believe that the all the reception of our internal GPS is not more than static or some internal interference, not a real satelite...

Hope I´m wrong though :D

I partially agree with what you are saying.... I get the one satellite in the north alot, but every so often I get a satellite near the middle etc. Also, most of the time I get that repeated log, although it changes every so often.

[FuzzMunky]

What's happened to the secret underground research? Can we assume this has also stopped? Not heard much from anyone recently who knows anything for sure.

[rvintem]

Until HTC pays me big bucks, I´m on. Accepting donations from HTC to stop development though :D

Not that it will make any diference anyway... :p

[joaosousa]

What's happened to the secret underground research? Can we assume this has also stopped? Not heard much from anyone recently who knows anything for sure.

We never close.

[FuzzMunky]

That's what I like to hear.

[Valvarin]

I'm a little bit busy at the Moment and some Tests need long Time.

The problem is we don't know nothing about the MXU tranceiver chip.
We will do some test to find out if the IC supports GPS.

[Billokko]

but for wifi??

[Der Wichtel]

I think we should better concentrate on wifi because it seems that enabling wifi is actually more possible than gps.

[Billokko]

And I thin that you can use your niki with a bluetooth gps but for the moment there's no way to use niki on the web...

[balviforever]

exactly need wifi more than gps.

[Valvarin]

GPS i think is not possible at the moment, without knowledge about the
MXU chip, we will working at WIFI at the moment, we need to implement the
WIFI drivers in the SPL, the problem is we stuck at the usb connection at the
moment.

[janan]

Hi janan, you can find the opposite side of the MSM7200 chip at post #41
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1907993&postcount=41

I already saw them but thanks anyway ;) metal pieces covering chipsets and polished IC do not help at all...

[janan]

GPS i think is not possible at the moment, without knowledge about the MXU chip, we will working at WIFI at the moment, we need to implement the WIFI drivers in the SPL, the problem is we stuck at the usb connection at the
moment.

where is this MXU chip? i think i missed it anb maybe can help with that

[Valvarin]

where is this MXU chip? i think i missed it anb maybe can help with that

this chip is under the metal blade nearby the MSM7200 chip

[erandhawa]

jockey i was reading your post on another board which referred me to this post saying we could find some info on pulling up the 850mhz band for 3g by editing the NV config, have you had any luck with this? thanks in advance your post is the only one to put a little hope for this for me since i bought the phone, love it but internet is slooooow.

[erandhawa]

o yea if this helps any the australian version runs on 850mhz do you thing the phone has different hardware or maybe just the radio and rom can help us?

[FuzzMunky]

Yeah, let's just throw every single issue into the same thread. That makes sense. :confused:

[happytomato]

I agree with fuzzmonkey on this, GTFO and start a new thread !!!! :-)

[Valvarin]

I will give a short Answer to the 850MHz problem...

There is a MXU6100 IC transeiver and we have no datasheet.
We don't know anything about the Band support of this chip.

[erandhawa]

reason i wrote on this thread was cuz jockey referred us to it himself for this issue

[ducamie]

i wonder if this transceiver has the potential for fm radio. do we have zero information on this chip?

[NetrunnerAT]

jockey i was reading your post on another board which referred me to this post saying we could find some info on pulling up the 850mhz band for 3g by editing the NV config, have you had any luck with this? thanks in advance your post is the only one to put a little hope for this for me since i bought the phone, love it but internet is slooooow.

Can you make a full Dump of your Radio Rom?

If you want do ... i tell it how! Its complicate!

[erandhawa]

if you let me know how to i have no problem doing it, i don't have the testra phone tho i've got the 2100mhz, but no problem doing a full dump on the radio if you can send me directions

[janan]

i wonder if this transceiver has the potential for fm radio. do we have zero information on this chip?

I'm sorry to say this but, even if it had so, you couldn't have FM radio unless an specific chip is found inside the niki fir this purpose. Afaik, RF transceivers do not usually implement FM decoders, they're filtering and amplifying stuff for RF signals.

Anyway, imho, the fm stuff shlould be found as part of the bluetooth chipset, e.g. chipset BRF6350 or higher (Niki has currently BRF6300C installed, so no FM demod available)

sorry for that...

[ducamie]

I'm sorry to say this but, even if it had so, you couldn't have FM radio unless an specific chip is found inside the niki fir this purpose. Afaik, RF transceivers do not usually implement FM decoders, they're filtering and amplifying stuff for RF signals.

Anyway, imho, the fm stuff shlould be found as part of the bluetooth chipset, e.g. chipset BRF6350 or higher (Niki has currently BRF6300C installed, so no FM demod available)

sorry for that...

i see. thankyou.

the polaris has fm radio, aswell as gps, i'd love to take a look at the insides of one.

has anyone had a look in a touch cruise?

[windowv]

your work is simple awesome, please feedback to our any update! The idea of gps and Wifi abilitated on dual is a dream!

i have all finger crossed :D

AGREE!!! KEEP GOING FOR THE GREAT WORK!!

MANY THANKS FOR YOUR AWESOME WORK!!

[Valvarin]

who is working about WIFI at the moment?

[madds]

here is a link to the english translation of the ht1100 japanese version.

This one includes a fm radio. In pdadb.net it also states wifi, but that's not correct...
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nttdocomo.co.jp%2Fpro duct%2Fsmart_phone%2Fht1100%2F&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=pt-PT&ie=UTF8


if we only could get a rom of one of these we could try to see if it would enable fm radio. That would be cool....

[NetrunnerAT]

here is a link to the english translation of the ht1100 japanese version.

This one includes a fm radio. In pdadb.net it also states wifi, but that's not correct...
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nttdocomo.co.jp%2Fpro duct%2Fsmart_phone%2Fht1100%2F&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=pt-PT&ie=UTF8


if we only could get a rom of one of these we could try to see if it would enable fm radio. That would be cool....

this device doesnt exist on the marked! next ... if you open your device, you can found a bluetooth chip, without FM Radio. It means ... we know to 100% fm-radio isnt possible!

[KRiST0F]

think this goes off topic, aint it?!?

back to getting wifi on this jewel so we get a masterpiece

[OrgaImba]

Of course, but at least after we have tried it, it will either work or if not, we know that there *must* be a hw difference.

The current status btw is that the NV items on Wings and Niki seem to be write protected. I'm trying to find a solution.



Hi, what is the current status on this issue? 2 months have passed....

[clonmult]

Hi, what is the current status on this issue? 2 months have passed....

Don't be impatient, the guys here will release any details when they're good and ready.

[Valvarin]

Hi, what is the current status on this issue? 2 months have passed....

2 Months with many new News on this.

GPS = not working without Knowledge about the tranceiver Chip

NV-Items = can be changed by a modded Radio Rom

WIFI = working on this at the Moment... evtl. good news in some time :D

SORRY about the small Statment, thats all we want to say --no clear answers at the moment--


pls be patient we have all time of the World no one other is
working on this. :rolleyes:

[Billokko]

WIFI = working on this at the Moment... evtl. good news in some time :D


wowowowowowowow:D:D:D:
and when could we have the fix for wifi??

[FuzzMunky]

wowowowowowowow:D:D:D:
and when could we have the fix for wifi??

Billokko: Are we nearly there yet?
Me: Click....chk.... KABANG!!.......chk...BANG!!
Billokko: ...mehhhh....
Me: BANG!!!

Today has been brought to you by the Violent Me and the letter U.

[Billokko]

I didn't understand very well what you said because I'm Italian and my english is not very good but I'm sorry if I have made a stupid question...

[fritsypeij]

I didn't understand very well what you said because I'm Italian and my english is not very good but I'm sorry if I have made a stupid question...

BANG BANG, he shot you down...
He was saying they are working ON it, not that the wifi is allready working ;)
Don't take it personally, just give them a break until further notification. All we can is give them all the space and time to continue their development on wifi and GPS.

[Billokko]

ah ok.. I read "wifi is working" but he post "we are working On wifi"... sorry...

[maxreijmerink]

Hi, Is there any news about this radio update already? Has HTC released a patch already?

[maxreijmerink]

Hi, Is there any news about this radio update already? Has HTC released a patch already?

Sorry guys, please forget my last post! It was stupid to ask! I'll just have to wait, like all the others

[rev3nant]

maxreijmerink, don't get offended, but I think releasing patches to support GPS and WiFi for Niki (if this is possible) is on HTC's list right after releasing a MSM7200 graphics driver. :rolleyes:

[Madman_nl]

give him a break dude, at least he excused himself

haven't seen any of the other "is it working yet, i want my wifi"-whining types do that

[joaosousa]

We are working on it, you must wait. Always asking about it won't make us release this faster. When we have something we will post it.

[buffylig]

Hi to all...I'm new here, and it's not the new of the day:sorry for my english 'cause I'm italian...ahahah!
...ok..first THX to all the developers here!!
..I've got a question :someone know the model of the motherboard shipped with the dual?!...is the same of cruise or tytnII ?!..can we ask to manifacturer if there are support to wifi hw?!
..thx again and have a good night!!

[neXus519]

Please read the whole topic before posting

[deaddavey1]

geez the gsm/3g signal for the dual sucks the big one so getting anything else is gonna be impossible from my opinion...

i cant connect to calls let alone distant satellites

[finesse]

If you ******** wanted GPS and Wifi, why did you not get a Kaiser or Polaris.
:confused:

[looking-g]

the signal on the touch dual is so bad i also cann,t imagine that it is possible to use it for gps even if there is a chip on board i think htc must release a patch to use the other antenna also for 3G and GSM in order to give us a better signal so that this device cann do what it is made for properly otherwise it is a lot of money for a limited mp3 player.

[FuzzMunky]

If you half wits wanted GPS and Wifi, why did you not get a Kaiser or Polaris.
:confused:

Because, quarter-wit, the Polaris doesn't have a tactile keypad and the Kaiser is very bulky and without an unbevelled "touch" screen.

[mrvanx]

The INSTANT this thread turns into a flame throwing session it will be closed...grow up people.

[joaosousa]

The INSTANT this thread turns into a flame throwing session it will be closed...grow up people.



????
I don't understand the reason of this post... Can u explain???
This thread is the most important thread in the niki area and you are talking about closing it because of 2 post's??? Hmmmm....

[LeeDroid]

it was reffering to the above slanging match my friend......

Swiftly moving on....

[TryOG]

????
I don't the reason of this post... Can u explain???
This thread is the most important thread in the niki area and you are talking about closing it because of 2 post's??? Hmmmm....

And the flaming continues INSTANTLY..

just as the mod said, grow up. :)

but still, it would significantly damage the Niki research..

[joaosousa]

Just because i asked the reason of that post, it doesn't mean i am flaming anything... And btw, you are wrong, it may be closed, but it won't damage the Niki research, we are working on this every single day, and soon we hope to bring some news.

But, what i really see here is a lot of people always throwing post's about this and that and those don't do nothing to help this project...

We can't promisse great results, but we can promisse we are doing our best to make this project a great advantage to all niki's owners.

So please, don't come here and throw the first thing that comes in your mind. Please think about it first. At least, we deserve some respect.

[clonmult]

geez the gsm/3g signal for the dual sucks the big one so getting anything else is gonna be impossible from my opinion...

i cant connect to calls let alone distant satellites


Those are two totally different radio sections though, aren't they?

I'll give you that the 3G signal is a pain, and the phone doesn't handle switching between 3G and GSM particularly well - I've had to switch off 3G on mine as it was having major issues sending/receiving texts.

[rumble291]

Those are two totally different radio sections though, aren't they?

I'll give you that the 3G signal is a pain, and the phone doesn't handle switching between 3G and GSM particularly well - I've had to switch off 3G on mine as it was having major issues sending/receiving texts.

Yeah i get the same anoyying im gonna upgrade to the latest radio rom see if that works. I keep getting dropped calls.

[ironmansp]

updated radio rom..
Seems to work ok...

[klzthb]

Hi all, today with total commander, i find two strange key in the register:

HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet.
In the root of CurrentControlSet there are:

GPS_TESTMODE set to 1
GPS_CHIP set to 1.

I try to change to 0 value but when i make a softreset the key return 1.

Anyone have talk about this?

Bye.

[klzthb]

Understand, i think are value for gpstool :p

[NetrunnerAT]

GPS doesnt work in the moment!

To use GPS, we need a special RF Chip (it isn't present in Niki100 and Niki200) and Change some Settings in the Radio OS.

It means ... Regkeys are very useless.

[ducamie]

i wonder what hardware modifications could be made..

where exactly to put the rf chip?

does anyone know about pcbs? its out of my depth but i think it be willing to break out the soldering iron.

[klzthb]

GPS doesnt work in the moment!

To use GPS, we need a special RF Chip (it isn't present in Niki100 and Niki200) and Change some Settings in the Radio OS.

It means ... Regkeys are very useless.



Yes, i know now i understand if we dont change the NV value cant use, are stored in a protection area, i remember in some router there are some protect area and have to unlock before change, example in the old speed touch there are an EXPORT mode and unlock the command (drv_write).

There is a method for dump all memory from the phone?
there is not rf chip?

[dtm203]

Wish we all could get wifi on our touch duals :P

[klzthb]

I try some rtask command like "b" & "7" and don't work, are not implement in hspl boot?

[rev3nant]

Wish we all could get wifi on our touch duals :P

So do hundreds of people on previous 38 pages :D
Wishful thinking doesn't help here :rolleyes:

[zargalo]

Hi.

I have a niki and i really d' like to see it having gps and if possible Wifi! :)

I HardSPL 1.15 on it, and i try to flash my niki with kaiser moded rom, and find only 2 satelites indoor.

Used GPSTOOL to get them.

Please GPS and WIFI TEAM DONT GIVE UP!


Regards.

[Greenturtle]

I'd quite like WiFi and GPS on my Dual please so can you hurry up please?

*sarcasm doesn't really show in text (:*

[zargalo]

Hi,

i have made some more test.

I have flash my original PTG into my niki. And try to see what hapen if y run the gpstoll using it! (note using the original rom), the strange thing was that i can still detect the gpd SMD7 port(wich i think is a emulated serial port), or a fake serial com port.

So, why do you get gps and satilites(only 2) using the original radio rom?? I think that the gps i found using gpstool its not real.:(

I think its need more that only flash radio rom to have gps or wifi.

Regards.

[Valvarin]

Hi,

i have made some more test.

I have flash my original PTG into my niki. And try to see what hapen if y run the gpstoll using it! (note using the original rom), the strange thing was that i can still detect the gpd SMD7 port(wich i think is a emulated serial port), or a fake serial com port.

So, why do you get gps and satilites(only 2) using the original radio rom?? I think that the gps i found using gpstool its not real.:(

I think its need more that only flash radio rom to have gps or wifi.

Regards.


SMD7 is a Hardware Port and it get viritualised by a OS driver u can put
SMD7 to a normal COM Port but it dosn't matter, MSM7200 has a GPS System
inside but there is no Tranceicer(RFR6300) and no Antenna, so GPS will never
work.

[klzthb]

The chip are ok, gps can find at Comport 4, have only to setup in external Gps Program port Com4 and Hardware port "None". But are disabled in Radio rom, we can find only some sat but don't fix nothing. We can't enable now because the NV item 148 are blocked in read-only mode, i can't understand if because are locked by vendor or because the Hardspl are very bugged, rtask dont work very well or im not able to use. Can find in Radio rom the address of the Nv item, change and try if Gps work?

[klzthb]

I think Wi-fi chip are not present in Niki. The Gps Antenna i dont know. Valvarin are you sure?.

[Valvarin]

really shure....

we spent in this min.120 hours.
found a way to change the nv-items.
open the hardware.
patched radios.
other OS.
..................

the transceiver is not present pls belive me.

but we are working on wifi.

and it looks not so bad

[janan]

I think Wi-fi chip are not present in Niki. The Gps Antenna i dont know. Valvarin are you sure?.

why do you think wi-fi chip is not present? I exposed time ago (look up my previous posts in this thread) there are hardware indications about its existance. Have you desoldered the silver box beside the BT chipset?

please, specify a bit more ;)

[GpsPasSion]

"and it looks not so bad"

Ah, probably means it works then ;-) Keep us updated on your progress, even if release is still not ready.

[zargalo]

Hi,

i found one document(kind of datasheet), its refers to qualcomm chipset and rfr chip variants.

The document is in korean language, but still is possible to view some tables and graphics.

If anyone want to take a look here is the link:
http://home.ianyang.ac.kr/_upload/PDSBoard_01/PDSBoardDocs_76/cyber/206/%C0%CC%B5%BF%C5%EB%BD%C5%B1%E2%B1%E2_%B1%E2%BC%FA_ %B9%D7_%BB%EA%BE%F7%B5%BF%C7%E2.pdf

[klzthb]

why do you think wi-fi chip is not present? I exposed time ago (look up my previous posts in this thread) there are hardware indications about its existance. Have you desoldered the silver box beside the BT chipset?

please, specify a bit more ;)

And where are the Mac Address? to me are not show.

I believe you valvarin, for me are not problem i have Gps bluetooth sirf III very very little .

But if there are really wi-fi im very interesting....

[janan]

And where are the Mac Address? to me are not show.

I believe you valvarin, for me are not problem i have Gps bluetooth sirf III very very little .

But if there are really wi-fi im very interesting....

the very first thing is the hardware, if it is there, you can get whatever you want. MAC address is the value of one register in the WLAN chipset... the only thing is to "show" to you O.S. where this register can be read ;)

[klzthb]

the very first thing is the hardware, if it is there, you can get whatever you want. MAC address is the value of one register in the WLAN chipset... the only thing is to "show" to you O.S. where this register can be read ;)

Ok there are only one Nv Item related to Wlan, how you can activate?.

[NetrunnerAT]

WLAN isnt related to the NV Items.

WLAN Chip is present with Antenna.

[gfreek]

Are we there yet?

[NetrunnerAT]

I can say ... a lot of things are done ... to make it fool profed ... its very complicate and the device crashs in the moment.

it means ... looks good ... need more time but we think its possible!

emapitest works!

[ducamie]

if theres anyway i can help drop me a pm

[rumble291]

Keep up the good work guys you will be known as legends of the Nike!

[Chetaboy]

Keep up the good work guys you will be known as legends of the Nike!

Yes, good luck people, keep on going for us...and for all this great comunity...
I´m very proud of being a part of this amazing "family"...

Tanxs too you all...

[moritz.narnhammer]

I can say ... a lot of things are done ... to make it fool profed ... its very complicate and the device crashs in the moment.

it means ... looks good ... need more time but we think its possible!

emapitest works!

That sounds promising, i keep both of my thumbs clenched tight in my fists.
Hope you succeed!
I think the WLAN issue is very important, even if it means we have to wait a bit longer for the german ROM to be released!

[Valvarin]

That sounds promising, i keep both of my thumbs clenched tight in my fists.
Hope you succeed!
I think the WLAN issue is very important, even if it means we have to wait a bit longer for the german ROM to be released!

We need a OS with implemented WIFI drivers... and evtl. the first
OS with WIFI will be a german... but we have to solve many problems
till then.

And if we solve all and WIFI is working... we will post all needed Drivers
and registry settings.

And it can implemented in all OS's they will build up. (the only thing, the credits to the wifi patch have to set to us xD)



UPDATE: Very good News in this cold night^^ we can enable the WIFI Eeprom and get no errors while loading the
Driver.


this post is copyrighted to the WIFI Crew...

[netdrg]

It's very good news thank's for your hard work !!

[Adri_tifosi]

this post is copyrighted to the WIFI Crew...

xDDDD :D:D:D:D Wifi Crew is the best xD

[Billokko]

xDDDD :D:D:D:D Wifi Crew is the best xD

WifiCrew RULEZ

[untaztood]

We must install new ROM?
Or only add dll's and registry to existed ROM?

[sackbauer]

as it is hard work until we get the wifi drivers there is nothing wrong giving credit to the wifi group by saying 'wifi crew rules' - or ?

these guys are spending night by night developing things for us nike users for free !!!

so - wifi crew rules ;-)

good morning all

[ducamie]

UPDATE: Very good News in this cold night^^ we can enable the WIFI Eeprom and get no errors while loading the
Driver.


this post is copyrighted to the WIFI Crew...

very great news.

thanks for keeping us intouch and informed!

[Parg]

Really great news. Thanks for your developing and the time you spent.

Certainly this question has been asked before, but the thread is long, so I'll do it again:

Why would HTC build a disabled WiFi-Reciever into the Niki? Sounds pretty senseless to me.

[untaztood]

Primary question....

When we can expected working WiFi on ours phones?

[Padilha]

Primary question....

When we can expected working WiFi on ours phones?

You can expect it when it works.
At the moment there's nothing more to say. A lot of work is being done and a lot of work has already been done.
Please be pacient and cross fingers for those that are working on it.

Note: Start saving your money for donations to this project.
:D

Cya soon,

"The always present..."

[NetrunnerAT]

Primary question....

When we can expected working WiFi on ours phones?

I think maximum 1 month!

We need to develope a full proved UI to patch the Wifi function. Next ... possible we protect it, to prevent disassembl the code. guys how want sell it ... havent a changes without NASA Knowlage LOL

[ducamie]

Really great news. Thanks for your developing and the time you spent.

Certainly this question has been asked before, but the thread is long, so I'll do it again:

Why would HTC build a disabled WiFi-Reciever into the Niki? Sounds pretty senseless to me.

i believe htc were rushing to get the device out before christmas, perhaps they didnt have time to get it working stabley. from a marketing standpoint, it would make a lot of sense not include wifi on the touch dual so the original touch would continue to sell.

[untaztood]

I reallly want to donate Yours project.
But really we must waiting about 1 month ? ;-(
I have a dream last night, that Wifi in my Touch Dual working, so don't breake my dreams ;-(

[Adri_tifosi]

I reallly want to donate Yours project.
But really we must waiting about 1 month ? ;-(
I have a dream last night, that Wifi in my Touch Dual working, so don't breake my dreams ;-(

According Net , Maximun 1 month , maybe less.

[Padilha]

The 1 month time can easly turn into one week or into 2 months, because it is not working yet. But one thing is sure, it will be there as soon as possible.

[snudel]

Primary question....

When we can expected working WiFi on ours phones?

never! god damn it. it's really getting boring. you have umts. why wifi???

[carlosmozas]

never! god damn it. it's really getting boring. you have umts. why wifi???

'cause wifi is free..:p, we all, (the fools that doesn'n know how to do the work), are waiting to donate. let's cross the fingers. At least now we can make the SIM Unlock for free...:D

[fritsypeij]

Guess HTC has disabled Wifi because for some people it would be one reason more to buy the more expensive Tytn II. Plus, maybe the hardware is present to provide HTC with an asset for future tricks. All marketing considerations if you ask me.

[moritz.narnhammer]

never! god damn it. it's really getting boring. you have umts. why wifi???

For private reasons not of your concern, troll.

Catch the fish:

<((()<

and go play elsewhere.

[KRiST0F]

They disablet wifi in europ to promote UMTS/3G networks. But they forgot its damm expencive!

[stoneyduke]

I'm ready to wait...

[dtm203]

They disablet wifi in europ to promote UMTS/3G networks. But they forgot its damm expencive!


So what your saying is the US model or any model outside of europe has wifi? :confused:

[untaztood]

So what your saying is the US model or any model outside of europe has wifi? :confused:

As fair as i know Touch Dual's from China had Wifi.

[KRiST0F]

So what your saying is the US model or any model outside of europe has wifi? :confused:

US and EU model are the same, the Asian version has wifi enabled.

[carlosmozas]

US and EU model are the same, the Asian version has wifi enabled.

So, The difference between the models, is in the hardware or the software?

[rumble291]

So, The difference between the models, is in the hardware or the software?

Most probably the software. It would cost HTC to have 2 models. They will have disabled it in software probably by not having the driver or whatever it uses to be able to interact with the Wifi chip. Im guessing. Or the wifi is built into the chipset which means they cant take away wifi they can only disable it.

Kurt

[clonmult]

Most probably the software. It would cost HTC to have 2 models. They will have disabled it in software probably by not having the driver or whatever it uses to be able to interact with the Wifi chip. Im guessing. Or the wifi is built into the chipset which means they cant take away wifi they can only disable it.

Kurt

Which is the way that a lot of things have been done in the IT industry for a very, very long time ....

[KRiST0F]

So, The difference between the models, is in the hardware or the software?

software, but it isn't that easy 2 just put up a rom of asia. The touch does some checksums :(

[rumble291]

Which is the way that a lot of things have been done in the IT industry for a very, very long time ....

Yep it sure has! its just like graphics cards that have different BIOSes to lock pipelines and to slow speeds etc. At the end of the day its just companys finding the most cost effective solution. Which HTC will do aswell.

[NetrunnerAT]

US and EU model are the same, the Asian version has wifi enabled.

Have sites? Links? In the common Asia Roms, you doesnt see any WIFI Drivers. Need more infos ... possible we can extract some parts, we need ^_^

[soulcrusher]

Have sites? Links? In the common Asia Roms, you doesnt see any WIFI Drivers. Need more infos ... possible we can extract some parts, we need ^_^

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=847 , It clearly shows the asian touch dual has wifi;)

[sackbauer]

it also says fm radio receiver ?!?!

[Valvarin]

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=847 , It clearly shows the asian touch dual has wifi;)


this was a preview of this Phone from the September 2007.....

This (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nttdocomo.co.jp%2Fpro duct%2Fsmart_phone%2Fht1100%2Findex.html&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=de&ie=UTF8) is more actually!
Sorry this is only a translated Version of this Site but it shows there is no WIFI but a FM Radio

[soulcrusher]

ah yes, forgot about that one:)
You're right, all the reviews about the phone saying it has wifi are from september or october, so I guess it's quite obvious it doesn't have wifi :p.. But that doesnt say wifi cant be made to work:P

[gmuller]

this was a preview of this Phone from the September 2007.....

This (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nttdocomo.co.jp%2Fpro duct%2Fsmart_phone%2Fht1100%2Findex.html&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=de&ie=UTF8) is more actually!
Sorry this is only a translated Version of this Site but it shows there is no WIFI but a FM Radio

You guys don't have fm radio? Mine works fine. (Telstra Australia 20 key model)

[ducamie]

You guys don't have fm radio? Mine works fine. (Telstra Australia 20 key model)

Really?? Is yours a Neon?

Whats going on here. Does the Neon have differant hardware than the Nike?

[Valvarin]

You guys don't have fm radio? Mine works fine. (Telstra Australia 20 key model)


Really :eek:

Touch Dual 850 (http://www.telstra.com.au/mobile/swf/multiview.cfm?handsetid=880)

Can u dump ur OS pls?

[ducamie]

http://www.threepointstance.us/tps/images/smilies/tpsemoticons/happy0045.gif

[gmuller]

Yep,
Mine is the touch dual 850 (neon).
I would dump the os, but i have no idea how to do that, sorry.

[morenonew]

from HTC official site

http://www.htc.com/au/product.aspx?id=31592

[DaVince]

Can you actually use a Neon ROM on a Niki to get the FM Radio working? :confused:

[Epke]

please give me FM radio! :D :D It would be much more fun in the train!

[ducamie]

the neon has a differant transceiver chip i believe. im not getting my hopes up, but its worth a try if someone with a neon can dump their rom.

[NetrunnerAT]

NIKI have the wrong Blue Tooth Chip ... no FM Radio possible!

[test321]

Have a look at the HTC Website the Austria Version has a touch dual 850 next to a touch dual. One has FM the other not.

[sackbauer]

austrian website ? are you sure or do you mean the australia website .... had a look but did not find it - please provide link !

thanks

[NetrunnerAT]

OK i tell it again ... the next Guy how ask the same question, i will hit him with a wet girl!

HTC Niki havent the right Blue Tooth Chip!!!!!!

This little stupid Chip have in same Version a FM Radio. We know to 100% ... all Niki 100, 200 and possible 300 too doesnt have the right Blue Tooth Chip.

Next point ... FM Radio works only with Cabel Headset from HTC. If you use a Blue Tooth Headset ... you havent a FM Antenna and you can hear nothing. FM Radio is realy ... useless!

[sackbauer]

mit einem nassen mädchen ?! with a wet girl ?!

in this case - please move on ... this is the sweetest pain you can give me ...

cheers netrunner ;-)

nevermind being curious about new features of the nike ...

have a great day !

[test321]

You are right sorry its the Australien Website

http://www.htc.com/au/product.aspx

go to Touch phone..
there 2 Touch Dual one is named touch dual 850 this one is with FM Radio

http://www.htc.com/au/product.aspx?id=31592


From the HTC Website:
Audio Built-in microphone, speaker and FM radio
Ring tone supported formats:
- MP3, AAC, AAC+, WMA, WAV, and AMR-NB
- 40 polyphonic and standard MIDI format 0 and 1(SMF)/SP MIDI

Maybe there are different Versions and one has FM-Radio built in the ohter not!


The Touch Dual 850 is the Quad-band Version

[NetrunnerAT]

mit einem nassen mädchen ?! with a wet girl ?!

Yes ... some Guys need it LOL

The Touch Dual 850 is the Quad-band Version

This is the HTC Neon! A lot of things are different! Main changes are in the RF section.

[cefoul]

Sorry guys to kill any hope ... but no wifi chip in the Niki. Under the metallic part near the bluetooth chip it's only the 2.4Ghz "oscillator". Except if the RF on the mainboard include wifi capability (and I didn't succeed to find any info on these chips HFQA29 and HFQA55) I didn't find any wifi chip.
Despite the antenna can be shared between bluetooth and wifi and RF6300C accept collaborative with wifi chip.

It's crazy HTC didn't include wifi in this amazing phone .. Combined with the video driver lack, I'm feel a little bit fooled by this company.. And I'm quite sur to not be the only one.

Maybe I'm wrong (and will be happy !!) but for me this Touch Dual is only a pocket pc with phone functionality. No more. And I don't have any data contract (quite expensive in France) .... can forget Edge or 3G capabilities.

If anyone has any info on these chips ... welcome.

Cheers,:(:(:(

[Billokko]

We need a OS with implemented WIFI drivers... and evtl. the first
OS with WIFI will be a german... but we have to solve many problems
till then.

And if we solve all and WIFI is working... we will post all needed Drivers
and registry settings.

And it can implemented in all OS's they will build up. (the only thing, the credits to the wifi patch have to set to us xD)



UPDATE: Very good News in this cold night^^ we can enable the WIFI Eeprom and get no errors while loading the
Driver.


this post is copyrighted to the WIFI Crew...

sorry..but... this post's saying the contrary no?

[cefoul]

As I said, No specific wifi chip.
Unless one of the 2 chips (HFQA29 or HFQA55) has wifi functionality.

But what I understand is the wifi eeprom in the the polaris and in the kaiser is based on TNETW1251 from Texas Instrument. But in the Niki, it is not present.
Also the eeprom needs to be activated by the SPL Bootloader.

Cannot imagine HTC use new RF chip with Wifi in the Niki ... but why not.

I would be really impressed and enjoyed if someone can explain me where are located wifi functions.

I spent a lot of time on the web to search and open twice my niki to find this answer. I think it's quite important to be sure on this before to try to enable wifi in SPL or OS.

[NetrunnerAT]

TNETW1251 is present!

driver starts ... emapitest works ... you get the right answers! eeprom is present after edit 2 byte + mac adress!

[willy792003]

TNETW1251 is present!

driver starts ... emapitest works ... you get the right answers! eeprom is present after edit 2 byte + mac adress!

great news! so does this mean the wait for wi-fi on niki will be over soon? ;)

[klzthb]

Anyone see this thread?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=322225&page=4

[NetrunnerAT]

Anyone see this thread?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=322225&page=4

yes ... this is done! we hung in the moment to config the powermanagement IC in the SPL. Your thread discripe a way to dump and rebuild the eeprom in the Wifi Chip. We have done the same ;-) with a different way!

[untaztood]

yes ... this is done! we hung in the moment to config the powermanagement IC in the SPL. Your thread discripe a way to dump and rebuild the eeprom in the Wifi Chip. We have done the same ;-) with a different way!
Nice :) So how long will take You to share with us working patch? :)
I prepare to donate for You (i never use PayPal yet...)

[klzthb]

If we can write in the eeprom.....

[klzthb]

yes ... this is done! we hung in the moment to config the powermanagement IC in the SPL. Your thread discripe a way to dump and rebuild the eeprom in the Wifi Chip. We have done the same ;-) with a different way!

I get a credit card for make a donation.... :D

[NetrunnerAT]

Dont Donate me in the moment ... other Guys make more and the most things are too complicate for me! If all is done ... the next step is a fool proofed patcher!

[untaztood]

Dont Donate me in the moment ... other Guys make more and the most things are too complicate for me! If all is done ... the next step is a fool proofed patcher!

Of course we're waiting :)
When patcher will be available then we donate all who's make this patch :)

[DaPozt]

Dont Donate me in the moment ... other Guys make more and the most things are too complicate for me! If all is done ... the next step is a fool proofed patcher!

Ill donate to whoever contributed to this patcher :) Keep up the good work guy's and let us know about any improvements.

[jawad485]

Good luck guys... we are waiting for the miracle to happen. Im sure that there would be a way to get the things done.
ciao/salut/bye

[aiondennis9000]

Guys, I think I just found the solution how to enable GPS.

......

Just so you KNOW. GPS IS on there. WiFi is NOT. Check here (http://www.ent.eetchina.com/PDF/2007FEB/DTCOL_2007FEB15_AVDE_RFR_AN_01.pdf?SOURCES=DOWNLOA D)

[Billokko]

Just so you KNOW. GPS IS on there. WiFi is NOT. Check here (http://www.ent.eetchina.com/PDF/2007FEB/DTCOL_2007FEB15_AVDE_RFR_AN_01.pdf?SOURCES=DOWNLOA D)

but..... did you read the previous posts????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????

[aiondennis9000]

but..... did you read the previous posts????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????

I did. I see lots and lots of peeps still ranting on about WiFi being there and some debunking it. If there is no PM7500 and/or RFR6500/6525 present then there is no WiFi. Just wanted to make it VERY clear. :D

[ducamie]

Just so you KNOW. GPS IS on there. WiFi is NOT. Check here (http://www.ent.eetchina.com/PDF/2007FEB/DTCOL_2007FEB15_AVDE_RFR_AN_01.pdf?SOURCES=DOWNLOA D)

Youre very wrong i'm affraid to say. Read the pdf again, and have a look at what hardware is needed for gps and wifi...

[janan]

If there is no PM7500 and/or RFR6500/6525 present then there is no WiFi. Just wanted to make it VERY clear. :D

That's not really true. HTC has been using WiFi, Bluetooth and GPS chipsets from Texas Instruments and other semiconductor brands, rather than Qualcomm (I guess Qualcomm is more expensive :) ).

The negation of a solution does not mean that there are no other solutions (to be unveiled) ;)

[aiondennis9000]

Youre very wrong i'm affraid to say. Read the pdf again, and have a look at what hardware is needed for gps and wifi...

Buddy the M7540 IS on there so GPS is covered. Anthing else you want to reference to?

[Valvarin]

PLS READ ALL THE POSTS HERE....

GPS is inside the MSM7200 Chip but
there is no the tranceifer for GPS = no GPS

For WIFI we need a BFR6300 IC + WL125 Chip both are inside.
these two Chips are from Texas Instrument, not from Qualcomm.

And belive me we spent more time in this then u.

[Billokko]

PLS READ ALL THE POSTS HERE....

GPS is inside the MSM7200 Chip but
there is no the tranceifer for GPS = no GPS

For WIFI we need a BFR6300 IC + WL125 Chip both are inside.
these two Chips are from Texas Instrument, not from Qualcomm.

And belive me we spent more time in this then u.

good reply :D

[bdacier]

Does anyone of the devs have the opportunity to give us a proof of concept? Screen cap's or vid's? Just to let all the non-believers see that it is in our Niki's! And because I'm just dying to see ;)

[Valvarin]

What do u want to see?
Wifi is not working atm.

What we have at the moment is the right Emapi command output.
It's the same now like one from a Kaiser.

But this only works with a special SPL... the problem is no
OS with WIFI support will boot with this SPL.

[ducamie]

Buddy the M7540 IS on there so GPS is covered. Anthing else you want to reference to?

im not your buddy, guy.

thats a south park reference for you.

ps, read the thread, we've all seen the pdf that you waltzed in posting after 400+ posts on the subject.

[bdacier]

What do u want to see?
Wifi is not working atm.

What we have at the moment is the right Emapi command output.
It's the same now like one from a Kaiser.

But this only works with a special SPL... the problem is no
OS with WIFI support will boot with this SPL.

That's good enough for me!!!

[Valvarin]

OK here some informatione from a debug log:

+EnableDriversByConfigSetting
DEX : ENABLE
I2C : ENABLE
SMD : ENABLE
DPRAM : ENABLE
DPRAM-VIRCMD : ENABLE
DPRAM-VIRDAT : ENABLE
Keypad : ENABLE
BKL : ENABLE
LED : ENABLE
MISC : ENABLE
MISC-2 : ENABLE
BT : ENABLE
BATTERY : ENABLE
USB : ENABLE
SD : ENABLE
TAI : ENABLE
ADSP : ENABLE
AUDIO : ENABLE
AUDIO-SPK : ENABLE
CAMERA : ENABLE
RIL : ENABLE
RIL-SMS : ENABLE
WIFI : ENABLE


LoadHigh(TNETW1251.dll)
CertVerify: TNETW1251.dll trust = 2
VA(4ab00000,84000)
IOCTL_FMD_NAND_READ_WLAN_DATA
04/17/2008 18:04:47 Write WLAN Data
04/17/2008 18:04:47 ++HTC_OEM_ReadNand
04/17/2008 18:04:47 --HTC_OEM_ReadNand
[W00:00:07:441]WLANMSG: Turn On WLAN power...
DEX_CMD_STATUS_COMPLETE

[aiondennis9000]

PLS READ ALL THE POSTS HERE....

GPS is inside the MSM7200 Chip but
there is no the tranceifer for GPS = no GPS

For WIFI we need a BFR6300 IC + WL125 Chip both are inside.
these two Chips are from Texas Instrument, not from Qualcomm.

And belive me we spent more time in this then u.

You mean to say that you do NOT see the PM7540 on your board? What you sporting then? Maybe it would help if you take a pic of your mainboard and post it here?

[ducamie]

You mean to say that you do NOT see the PM7540 on your board? What you sporting then? Maybe it would help if you take a pic of your mainboard and post it here?

Thats a power managment chip for the MSM7200. It is not an RF chip or any other kind of antena for gps.

[Valvarin]

You mean to say that you do NOT see the PM7540 on your board? What you sporting then? Maybe it would help if you take a pic of your mainboard and post it here?

WOW:rolleyes:
u found the Power Managment Chip.

should i tell u what i also found inside the niki. :cool:

I think i have fragmented the niki now 5 or more times. remove all the
metal plates and see all chips inside.

I think u don't read the complete Thread and i also think u don't read the
PDF file also.

here is something i think u should find in the PDF file:

Information shown in this document is only exemplary of QUALCOMM products.
QUALCOMM reserves the right to make changes, at any time and without notice, to its
products that may cause its products to differ from the information shown in this document.
NOTE: Alternative GPS antenna configurations are available.

[kerrance76]

You mean to say that you do NOT see the PM7540 on your board? What you sporting then? Maybe it would help if you take a pic of your mainboard and post it here?

if you are so certain that it is possible to enable gps when others have spent months failing, perhaps you could be good enough to enable it for us all.

[Valvarin]

OHH sorry i forget one Thing :)

GPS is really inside but without an Antenna and the right
Tranceiver u can't get any Signal.

About the Transeiver... the right is not inside but we have
no Datasheet of the one what is inside... if u found some
Informations about it u can tell us.

EDIT:// This is the Tranceiver in the Niki: MXU6100

[bdacier]

Too bad for not going to get GPS but hey, i've got a BT GPS so I'm not complaining! Especially when we can conclude that the progress on Wifi is going somewhere. I'm anxiously awaiting a nice patch, but it would help if you could give us a ETA. I know that there was talk about a month, some time ago, but thins might have changed. So if you could, please!?

In the mean time I'd like to thank all that are working there *sses off for giving us our 2,4Ghz fix!

[veil80]

Guys, why won't you try to put a hand on a Nike with enabled Wi-Fi (Chinese/Japanese) and just extract the OS/radio images from there?

[Valvarin]

Guys, why won't you try to put a hand on a Nike with enabled Wi-Fi (Chinese/Japanese) and just extract the OS/radio images from there?

cuz there is no niki with wifi...

[NetrunnerAT]

And the next Point ... for some things you need more then only flash Roms!

Wifi Mods are very complicate like NASA Technic! You must set Register in a fucking CPU, Write in a Area they is locked and protected and mod loaders and bios releated code. BUT ... you doesnt know how are the parts you need :->

[untaztood]

After read this topic, i think we're never get working wifi @ niki.

[Padilha]

After read this topic, i think we're never get working wifi @ niki.

Then u should read it again.

[aiondennis9000]

if you are so certain that it is possible to enable gps when others have spent months failing, perhaps you could be good enough to enable it for us all.

:rolleyes: hehehe. sure.

[ducamie]

im thinking about moding my nike to get gps working, can anyone help me with what chips i'd need and where to place them? is it not that simple?

i could always attach a bt gps reciver to the battery and mod the back cover. but its a bit more bulky than what i'd want. it would then be the thickness of a kaiser lol and i dont want that.

[aiondennis9000]

I think one should study the Titan threads. The Mogul/Titan uses the same MSM7500 chipset. Some other chips may differ but then again....

Here (http://www.phonenews.com/how-to-add-gps-to-htc-mogul-xv6800-p4000-titan-2663/) is some more info.

[Valvarin]

im thinking about moding my nike to get gps working, can anyone help me with what chips i'd need and where to place them? is it not that simple?

i could always attach a bt gps reciver to the battery and mod the back cover. but its a bit more bulky than what i'd want. it would then be the thickness of a kaiser lol and i dont want that.

u need some chips one of them is the RFR6300 tranceifer and u need to
place it Oo on the MSM7200 board but i don't think u find a place to
put it in.

[Valvarin]

I think one should study the Titan threads. The Mogul/Titan uses the same MSM7500 chipset. Some other chips may differ but then again....

Here (http://www.phonenews.com/how-to-add-gps-to-htc-mogul-xv6800-p4000-titan-2663/) is some more info.


Niki don't use a MSM7500 board it has a MSM7200 inside.

why u don't try it and brick ur niki?
GPS is not possible without external Hardware in niki belive us -.-

[Olipro]

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Thanks cmonex.

this is what you get when you login to your account on your girlfriend's computer; they start impersonating you ^_^

[cmonex]

What do u want to see?
Wifi is not working atm.

What we have at the moment is the right Emapi command output.
It's the same now like one from a Kaiser.

But this only works with a special SPL... the problem is no
OS with WIFI support will boot with this SPL.


why won't an OS boot with this SPL?

[Valvarin]

I think too many errors at startup and the OS will freeze.
SPL boot without display and the WIFI OS has the false
Power settings and Keymapping. We working on this but
it's need time.

[cefoul]

Can some experts tell me where is located the wifi chip in the Niki? As I said in previous post, I have opened several time my Niki and didn't succeed to locate it.

Please don't be offensed by this question ... just proof of concept.

Thanks.

[cmonex]

I think too many errors at startup and the OS will freeze.
SPL boot without display and the WIFI OS has the false
Power settings and Keymapping. We working on this but
it's need time.


I find this interesting... if you have some irc channel or some other place where you discuss developments I wouldn't mind joining if possible :)

[NetrunnerAT]

I think, we can handle a little plattform for brainstorming!

We know a lot in the moment about some importent and new things!

Do some one know ... it's possible to exchange a display with touchscreen if the connector is the same. only need to exchange a code block!

this is a example!