A Walkthrough on Searching and a Reflection on our Treatment of N00bs [Archive]

ivanmmj

10-02-2008, 12:07 AM

I've noticed a pattern lately.
1. There has been a large influx of new people that disregard the walkthroughs, wikis and don't know how to search.
2. Our older members have been getting shorter and shorter tempers when it comes to answering n00bs who ask the same questions that have been answered a million times.

So, what are we to do?

The older members need to realize that not everybody is good at using the search feature, which is why I will be writing a walkthrough here. They also need to be a bit more patient with those who genuinely seem to be lost. For those who just don't read, go ahead and flame them. Or at least just give them a link to something and make them read it themselves, that way they feel like "oh... I could've found that myself. Next time, I think I'll search."

How to search:
I understand that the search feature seems somewhat useless because when one searches for say, "how to flash", one gets 20 pages of random things.

So, here are the basics on finding what you need:

Step 1: Check the stickies. The first posts on every forum that say Sticky are posts that were stickied to the top of the forum for a reason. These tend to have all the information you need that people ask often.
Step 2: Know the organization of the forums. I know they're a little crazy. Do you check Herald or Herald upgrading or Herald mobile 6. Usually, if it's related to Window Mobile 6, stick to the Mobile 6 forum.
Step 3: Wikis: If you look at the Herald forum, you'll notice a sticky about the Herald wiki. A wiki, is just that. A wiki. You'll find ALL kinds of useful info.
Step 4: When you search:

Limit your words to ideas. "How to flash" is nice, but "Flashing" or "flash" will do fine.
Words have to be at least 4 letters for it to search for them. Thus "how" and "to" are ignored.
Search titles only first for "how to"s before searching through an entire post. Chances are someone may have already asked the question.
If someone tells you to search for a walkthrough that they wrote, use the find threads by user and find posts by user feature. They're basically telling you everything you need to know to find it.
Ok, so you found a million threads on flashing. Now you see that if you click on thread one, it's not about flashing but it has about 1,300 posts. How can you read EVERY single one of them. When you do a search, if you narrow it down to show results as threads, you'll get the posts themselves that have the words you're looking for an not a thread which mentions "flashing" somewhere in the 1158th post.

One thing, READ EVERY POST, not just the posts that are replies to you. This happens often:
OP: Is it possible to flash my phone with ZOMG teh Best ROM?

1P: What are you trying to flash?

2P: It's impossible. I'm sorry, but ZOMG teh Best ROM was made for HTC's ROFLCOPTER!!!!111 and you have a HTC Normal.

OP: Is it possible to flash my phone with ZOMG teh Best ROM?3P: I can try to help you. What kind of phone do you have?

3P: I can try to help you. What kind of phone do you have?OP:Awesome thanks!

2P: It's impossible.

OP: Why isn't it working?

2P: :confused:

mv3

10-02-2008, 12:18 AM

This doesn't really talk about the treatment of new people.. but does give a good positive solution which probably will be ignored or forgotten.

it seems quite a few of the people here tend to be jerks to newer people.

the end.

ayyu3m

10-02-2008, 12:41 AM

itje

10-02-2008, 12:44 AM

yeah Im a jerk...
thx
good to know

I really dont see any point in this "walkthrough"
Dont get me wrong here, its a good idea, but a old one

NO MATTER how many guides, rules, walkthroughs w/e anyone try to make, the socalled nOOb thing will always be present.
Its been tried before, here, and in thousands of other forums

PPL wants quickfix, they dont wanna search, they want us to personally guide them or walk them through everything.
If we make a BIG flashing announcement, most ppl will never care to read. They come to get something cool and leave. They come back if there is a error or a bug and flame us, many times in pm and on msn.

I have considered remove my msn from xda, but I dont because I occationally get some nice contacts.

Since I joined xda, my pm inbox has a couple thousand pm's, half is what I consider junk...

If we are such jerks, then just stay away from our work and our threads, go to those who answer all your questions with a wagging tail.

I have spendt so many hours on this that I dont even wanna think about it, and I get accused that I do it for fame, glory, and w/e
I DONT CARE
you wanna know why I keep releasing builds here after I got my kaiser? I do it because there is some friends here that have asked if I could continue.
I could easily put my roms in private network, but I choose to share what I do, for free....
So if thats beeing a jerk, then im happy to be one. I would rather be a jerk then the opposite.

have a nice day

robosiris

10-02-2008, 03:57 AM

thankx ivanmmj. Indeed a good workthrough

I agree with you abt the newbies. And i seen proof of some circumstances too. Actually for the past 3 days, whenever i check for new post, i find one or two newbie everyday asking mostly abt HOW TO UNLOCK and WHERE TO GET THE ORIGINAL SHIPPED ROMS.

And most of them seem genuinely lost. Sometimes newbies tend to get worried or too excited to check on the search tool. I mean, it isnt everyday that you purchase a new Pocket PC, and then you find out its SIM LOCKED and so on.

And since internet is the answer, we somehow stumble upon this forum and quickly tend to ask question, rather than check on the forum features/threads. Some of us are not the same on that factor.

So its in my suggestion that we create a separate forum for these special areas of need and of Original Shipped Roms page. But anyways this is jus an idea. :D

And yes abt how newbies are treated, i guess it wud be a lot easier that we direct them to the correct thread with the advice of search tool, instead of blaming anyone to JUST use search tool. I mean, they are newbies, how can they jus know which term to specifically search or how credible a search result is. And a post to the right direction for a newbie, minimizes them from posting again and again and again. It really helps!!!!

Ditto.
I have noticed the flaming as well, not just in the herald forum, but in others as well. It is unfortunate and it is my hope that it'll change. I more or less just post the link or post number and move on.
I completely agree with you and totally support Ivanmmj's efforts to minimize countless and repetitive posts requesting/asking the same questions on multiple threads. I, as well as every other "senior" and experienced "junior" member were once nOObs. Regardless, Ivanmmj's efforts are applauded and I thank you.

ITJE .. realize that you are talented and post some of most unique roms here. So of course, many people here are going to consider you as a guru. You may not consider yourself as one, but others do. I don't consider you a jerk in the least, but if you truly didn't care and if you didn't feel you have abolutely nothing to contribute, you would not be here. You've made it abundantly clear "why" you're here now and I thank you for sharing that. Maybe putting your roms in/on a private network might work for you and your friends. Just a thought. You will be missed for sure.

I can truly understand your frustration, but we (senior, juniors, gurus, gurus in-training, even nOObs) truly need to remain positive and objective instead of flaming or blaming. All I want to do is be a support and encourage what you're good at and enjoy (here, lol).

zcink

10-02-2008, 04:03 AM

Just thinking if the search could be predominate on the page -- like a huge search box in red or something ???? Then maybe people would use it.

duprade

10-02-2008, 04:13 AM

I personally do my best to help people, and always try to steer them clear of PMing or IMing ITJE... because I know how "annoying" it can be to receive thousands of messages from people on here asking the simplest questions.

ITJE, everyone here appreciates your work, and I hate to see you get upset because of a couple of idiots who piss you off when you work so hard for us expecting nothing in return. So let me take this time to apologize on behalf of everyone here and thank you on behalf of everyone for all of your efforts.

It is most certainly true what you say that the n00b will always be present, so I think that the rest of us, need to take those situations and help them n00bs hence alleviating ITJE's responsibility from doing so. It's obvious that most people don't like to read everything and search for answers when it's always easier to ask ask ask.... but in my opinion, that's the whole basis of XDA ... to help others. So basically, what we need to do is a community effort.

All the n00bsout there, PLEASE PLEASE help us, by trying to help yourselves first. We want to help you, we will help you, but you need to do your part in helping us help you. All the information you could ever need is located in this forum.

USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION (http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php) ON THE FORUM OR USE THE GOOGLE SEARCH (http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=+site:http://forum.xda-developers.com&hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all) of the site in order to search for solutions to your issues.

To the Seniors and Juniors out there, we need to try to be more patient with n00bs... going back and remembering how WE at some point were in that same position. Let's not forget the whole premise of why this site exists and continues to excel in its purpose.

To the COOKS who donate your time, effort, and expertise. Thank you. While some people, primarily because of ignorance, may not appreciate your efforts, please know that we who have been here and know your efforts, whole-heartedly appreciate you and everything you contribute. If it weren't for you, this website wouldn't exist. I know it must be terribly frustrating to have everyone criticizing, complaining and it may feel like they are pissing on your work which you donate selflessly to this site, but know that the majority of us do in fact appreciate what you do more than we express to you.

vudu

10-02-2008, 04:24 AM

The search function on this forum is just plain terrible. Either that or I don't know how to search and will look forward to the walkthrough. But even displaying posts instead of threads does not help very much.

My two cents for those trying to search....use google instead and add "site:forum.xda-developers.com" in the search box. At least those results are easier to look through.

itje

10-02-2008, 05:05 AM

ITJE .. realize that you are talented and post some of most unique roms here. So of course, many people here are going to consider you as a guru. You may not consider yourself as one, but others do. I don't consider you a jerk in the least, but if you truly didn't care and if you didn't feel you have abolutely nothing to contribute, you would not be here. You've made it abundantly clear "why" you're here now and I thank you for sharing that. Maybe putting your roms in/on a private network might work for you and your friends. Just a thought. You will be missed for sure.

Is that a hint, like..piss off :p (edit: I AM joking :) )

jk

I never said I would do that, I said the opposite.
I said I am a jerk cause im staying here.

I dont see what some call flaming of newbees
Its a reaction to lazyness
when sollutions is posted in the post #1 and 2, or maybe 3....written in big letters, and in a thread counting 40-50 replies, the same question is asked in about 10% or more, maybe even asked 1 or 2 pages after the answer or/and the sollution, then..well...

Maybe im not the most patient guy in the world, and I certainly have not tried to be either, but usually I try my best to provide the help I can or am able/willing to give.

And about that "Made it clear why im here thing"
Im here to share my work with all who wants it.
When I got my Kaiser/Tytn2, I decided tomove over there with my work, and sell off my herald. But I was convinced to stay and continue do some work.

And no one can say that I was not called a jerk, cause yes, I obviously do "flame" the socalled nOObs.
Most of it are sarcastic, but its also the truth.
I dont accept that my threads are spammed with 50% bullshit and the same questions over and over.
No matter what I write..Dont spam, read before you ask, use search through google/xda w/e
PPL DONT SEE IT
The jump clear cause they are lazy, they see the message, READ THIS, but they dont.
If I in.ex write like this, on top of the release:
There is a bug with MMS in this release, I am working on it.

Then there will be atleast 5-6 ppl saying MMS is not working, and telling me the rom is unstable because of this
Hell, I even had a guy typing in biggest letters available
WARNING DONT USE THIS ROM, INTERNETSHARING IS NOT WORKING (something like that)

I respect all who wants to contribute, to share what they know.
I respect those who dont know anything, but hangs around, download w/e and use w/e is posted here.

I do NOT respect ppl who comes in and claim they have used search, and not found anything.
Maybe my searchbutton is the only one working, cause sometimes when ppl claim they have been using search, and could not find anything. I tested and did same search and got many hits within 3-5 posts, and found what they had searched for with no problem....
I do not respect ppl whos first and second post is about the flaws in a rom they just downloaded
"I have been around for many years and know my way around the forums, and I know how to find stuff" and they got a postcount that say 5, and they ask questions that makes me wonder if they have a teflon brain, cause if you have been around xda for a long time, and dont even know how to soft and hard reset, then....

I might seam angry in what I have written, or sad, or w/e
Im not
Im just amazed..

cause im a jerk :p

:D

robosiris

10-02-2008, 05:26 AM

Totally irrelevant but Itje, you remind me of my best friend of 17 years and he lives 1,500 miles away from me. :p. He'll say things that sound crude and mean, but underneath, he's truly genuine and warm hearted. My point is that you're a softy :D. Just joking.

GAMBIT999

10-02-2008, 06:08 AM

I lately tend to simply ignore questions which I'm sure I have seen a few pages ago or very very close at the beginning.
I fully agree with Itje that it is pure laziness if somebody says he read the thread or spent some time in solving his problems
if the solution to the question is written in the first, second or third post or maybe still on the first page.
It feels like a slap in the face and has the taste of a being lied to, so I rather ignore those person/question and
wish that others who once asked the same question jump in for help and give something back to the forum.
That's the spirit of this forum.

PS: I dont like flaming either, but often it's totally understandable, but still it's wrong.

iamodogg

10-02-2008, 06:23 AM

No offense.. but i've been around here for a long time. I don't post a lot, but I do a lot of reading. I also have been active on many many different boards. What gets me about this board and many others is that some people think they have a whole bunch of clout just because the post a lot.. well whoopty freakin doo..

In regards to the search subject: searching here is a pain in the arse. Nobody's topics are clear, and you can describe what you are looking for in a million different ways. So, what you are trying to fix will not be fixed. The only thing that would be lovely to see change would be to see the flamers come down off their high forum poster horses and join the rest of us on Earth.

Start flame now... :)

iamodogg

10-02-2008, 06:35 AM

<drunk rant>
To follow up with my claims about topics.. here is an example that caused me to ask for help. This topic:

Sticky: A Herald's Guide to Flashing Aserg, USPL and HARD-SPL

Ok.. so I had done Open Touch 2.3 or something and taken a few weeks from reading the forums and I come back and Open Touch 2.7 was just an NBH file.. so i read the wiki, which leads you to dead links, or at least it did that week when I was trying to figure this out. But here is my issue with that topic.. I look at that I and I think.. "Flashing Aserg" In my mind I think, that's not for me, I don't want or even know what ASERG is, nor USPL nor Hard SPL.. I'm looking for "NBH" right?? Nothing helpful came up. Try searching in the Herald forum for "how to flash nbh" see what you get... unless it's a very specific string you are looking for, good luck.

A fix to that topic? how bout: Sticky: A Herald's Guide to Flashing --using-- Aserg, USPL and HARD-SPL

That would have at least got me into that subject.. and guess what.. there the answer I needed lies.

I finally got it thanks to duprade and ttran001 in this thread that i hijacked: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362986&page=2

Neither of them flamed.. good dudes.
</drunk rant>

papamopps

10-02-2008, 07:56 AM

So just to keep you all informed.

Not only in forums but also in Moderator-Talk we are discussing the problem of flaming...

... and there are several point of start...

- more and more people wnat ALL for free and want it personalized to themselfe (like all around the world in "real life"

- reading is time = time is money = all for free = no reading...

- xda is GROWING - when you can get a XDA TErra for 40€ with contract also "young" (i mean yound brains" start buying a PPC for chatting and all that..... But aren´t used to read... jk

- blaming is on of the BEST FREETIME game: see "Big Idol", "Superstar" or ALL the castingsshows round the world.

So what I want to say... the world is getting worse - and that wouldn´t take a break on XDA-dev.

BUT all have to work on it.

Flar - our admin - is working on the searchfunction!!!!

Cookers - maybe the releases must have BIG letters!

Moderator - please don´t take part on flaming and advise other who are blaming

Seniors - please keep helping each other

Noobs - pleas read, read, read

AND to ALL: Please let´s start to keep threads clean again...

A thread with 200post and 20 pages BEFORE the rom is released is NOT the way it should be...

And posts like:

1.: "You are releasing - great"
2.: "I´m downloading"
3.: "Flashing process 80%"
4.: "Flashing 99%"
5.: "Booting"
6.: "I will test...."
7.: "I will report..."

8.: "SO after testing for a while I found ......"

I think to start with post #8 would be the best way to keep threads clean...

Thanks.

zcink

10-02-2008, 02:07 PM

If those who know just ignore the questions, then Only Noobs will answer Noobs..........

And if a Noob follows a Noob then both will fall into a pit.

itje

10-02-2008, 02:16 PM

itje

10-02-2008, 03:02 PM

If those who know just ignore the questions, then Only Noobs will answer Noobs..........

And if a Noob follows a Noob then both will fall into a pit.

If we use all our focus on answering the same questions over and over again, then we would spend less time cooking and figuring out the socalled bugs.
your loss...

But from what I understand, in you guys oppinion, we are supposed to answer everyone, no matter what, no matter how many times the same question is asked in a thread, and even if there is a thread with the sollution, maybe even a sticky?
You suggest that we give them a link to the post containing the answer, are we supposed to keep a Favourite list with a link to all answers we have supplied? and that we scroll through it to find the right one and post it?
Or maybe we could use search function? yeah wow, lets do all the work for the newbees...

NO MATTER what I write...its wrong

If I tell them to search, to use either google or searchfunction, they all claim to not find it (most do)
If I guide them to the answer, they keep coming asking next time, and next time and next time. Because they get the answers with no work trying to find it.

This might sound harsh or w/e
But every time I do try to help ppl out, they start adding me to msn, and pm me all the time asking for help and a personalized rom. They start acting as we are old time buddies, and whats next step? Im gonna be everones personal chef?

so im sure you wiseguys have a answer for that to, im sure. But thats because you just dont have a clue what this is all about.
Sure you help out with diffrent issues, and talk nicly to the newbees, thats totally cool with me.
Im sure you even like it, and that nice too.
Maybe we could call it "your function here"
and then I must add, thats not my function here.
Im no good with the "nOOb's" asking the same over and over (....)
A while back I was told (when a similar topic was brought up) just ignore them, and many agreed.
Basicly, thats not an option anymore either
SO, what I figure from all this, is that no matter what I do, im a jerk if I state what I feel in the matter, im a jerk if I ignore the questions.

The biggest problem beeing a person that help everyone out, is that more and more ppl comes to you, because you get a reputation that you are nice, helping and commited. But how much can a person contribute?

to be honest I feel that I am in a situation where I wish I could just cut all this out, I feel that no matter what I say or do, it tends to lead the wrong way.

I love making roms, its a great hobby. I like to help out, but I really dont have the time to get involved personally with everyones issues, everyones new fantastic ideas and cook a personal rom with this or that added, or this and that removed

Im not a bad guy, im not a angry pissed of guy who flames everyone who ask for my help. I have guided many on msn, mail and pm.
I try to look into the problems reported in my roms, and I try fix it. Even if I dont give a answer always to reporte bugs, I do note them, and I try to fix.
But I do have a family, I do have a job, and I do have other interests besides rom cooking.

Occationaly the cup runs over, we get tired of repeating ourself, and we answer in a sarcastic way.

im taking a break from this.

have fun all

GAMBIT999

10-02-2008, 03:16 PM

If those who know just ignore the questions, then Only Noobs will answer Noobs..........

And if a Noob follows a Noob then both will fall into a pit.Of course ignoring is the best answer, but it helps me from starting giving harsh answers.
I rather say nothing if I'm pissed than start blaming and complaining.
Instead of offending the person I rather keep quiet and really hope that people
who get the exact answer once assist with the same answer.
It has nothing to do with noobs helping noobs. It's more about sharing the same spirit to the whole community,
I really don't understand why only a group and always the same has to stand here and help, help, help.
None of us bought the knowledge with buying a PPC, we all sent down and read, read, read.
Things are free here, so the very least people can do is read.

One thing I really would like to see is, that we all should collect the bugs and solutions found over time
and pass it over to the moderator and/or cook to combine them on teh first page as those post are reserved already.
Like this you really can answer the so called stupid question with look in post #3 for the issue.

Like this we could keep the thread clean with all the bullshit as papamopps described.
And since I'm also one of those thread trashers who writes those useless "Thanks for the release" or "Your ROM looks awsome" posts
I will stop with that but try to give more constructive comments.

And even we seniors are not all knowing, I still learn a lot while hanging out here.
Post counts means nothing else than the activeness of a member does not necessarily reflects his knowledge about PPC.

And just like in real life, you don't approach a group of stranger who are in a conversation and start talking or even ask questions.
You listen first and slowly move along the conversation.
That's common etiquette and not just for grown ups also for the younger folks.
Those are common manners around the world.

We are all no employees of XDA-DEV we are all volounteers, so we really deserve the right whether to answer or not.
If we get paid for this I will even tell time and the weather forecast if that's the question ask ;)
As long I'm here in my FREE time I choose whom to answer and whom not.

Cheers

GAMBIT999

10-02-2008, 03:28 PM

@ Itje
101% behind you thoughts, I prefer being called a jerk too and stick with you guys. Having a good time here is more important for me and if I can only achieve that with ignoring some others, then it's a fair and low price.

zcink

10-02-2008, 04:01 PM

I understand all the frustration over this. I apologize if my comment offended anyone. I was half joking. When I first came here, I had question and was just ignored. I always appreciated any help I got no matter how silly. Even now I find it difficult to search here.

I still think the search engine here should be tweaked so its easy to use and goes right to the right threads. One day I read 29 threads before I got the answer to the question I was searching for. I can see why people just ask -- it is irritating to some but easier for those seeking the answers.

anyway, yeah I guess you can just ignore the questions. I mean nobody is obligated to answer anyone.

GAMBIT999

10-02-2008, 04:29 PM

I think it just got a little hot in here and everybody had to release some pressure.
I do understand your point of view as I really find this forum's search engine a real PITA, too.
Other forums with the same software are much more efficient in indexing and putting out the appropriate threads.

Anyway enjoy the rest of the weekend;)

papamopps

10-02-2008, 04:34 PM

@ itje - and all other

I made an announcement on top of each subforum that is nearly the same itje posted as i was writing the announcement....

Haha

Finding things out by themsefe makes people happy.

Beeing lead to a psot with a soulution which is part of an development of a thread... makes people unhappy because they don´t understand the work behind the fix-solution...

Read the announcement. I will see 1000 views in 1 week :D

papamopps

10-02-2008, 04:39 PM

GAMBIT999

10-02-2008, 04:48 PM

The search is beeing modified by admin at the moment!That's good info, I hope this solves some of the tension on xda-dev

iamodogg

10-02-2008, 10:54 PM

And posts like:

1.: "You are releasing - great"
2.: "I´m downloading"
3.: "Flashing process 80%"
4.: "Flashing 99%"
5.: "Booting"
6.: "I will test...."
7.: "I will report..."

8.: "SO after testing for a while I found ......"

I think to start with post #8 would be the best way to keep threads clean...

Thanks.

Well said.. I think this is a big part of it all.. If you don't have something worthwhile to contribute.. don't post.

I wish I was as brainy as half of the developers/cookers here, yet i'm not, and won't be, therefore I donate from time to time and keep my mouth shut. And searching through 200 posts of nonsense to find an answer is frustrating.

Yet, I also agree that the world is getting worse.. If you don't want to answer a noob, just don't answer, no need to be a flamer. It takes equal amounts of time u know? (answering vs flaming). You won't change the world by flaming a noob in hopes of ending noob questions.. they will continue regardless of your efforts! And don't forget what goes around comes around.. right?

Ayerthon

11-02-2008, 12:00 AM

This forum has to be like:

www.tweakers.net

It is a dutch forum which they are very strict on people showing effort before they post anything.

We got to be like them :D I once showed up on that tweaker's forum as a noob. And posted my first question there. And I got yelled at every side saying how little effort i was showing to the moderators!! :P

Well mods...and cooks....And anybody with some effort. Don't be easy on noobs. Give them the hardest when they show no efforts!!!!!!!

:D

robosiris

11-02-2008, 04:31 AM

Flame me if you want, but it's really disheartening and disempowering when one our best chefs goes on a sabattical. If this topic is that deep, maybe opening a subforum specifically just for complaints would suffice instead of having multiple threads flooded with complaints and gripes. I hope from all this somethiing productive will happen.
But anyhoo, Itje, I don't blame you if you take a break for as long as you need to. I would too if I were in your shoes. When you return, I'm pretty sure your loyal followers and supporters will welcome you back with open arms (and heralds :D).
And Itje, don't change who you are for real, you shouldn't have to change for no one :cool:. I'm done with this (topic) as well. I need a drink.:cool:

bugsy714

11-02-2008, 06:36 AM

I think people can forget how intimidating it is to be a n00b, when I first came here and asked a question I was VERY appreciative of those who took the time to steer me in the right direction. N00bs really have no sense of what is "common knowledge" and what are new & unanswered questions so they ask seemingly stupid questions. They also don't realize that with a few days of reading the wonderful tutorials they can get up to speed quite fast.

The flip side of this is when n00bs want to be spoonfed every last detail and seem to put in no work at all. My personal pet peeve is when n00bs don't read the first page of the thread which has been painstaking updated by the chefs/mods/original poster, or better yet when they ask a question that was just answered two posts above...there is no excuse for that except laziness and wanting to be spoonfed.

The community members here at XDA are REALLY cool people with a passion for helping others. The world would be a much better place if there were more people like this.

Lastly; many thanks to those who volunteer your time for the good of the community, you deserve nothing but praise and respect fo your efforts!

diffrnt

11-02-2008, 07:45 AM

Ok this is my first post. First of all I want to thank all of the knowledgeable people on this forum. I have learned so much about my phone (TMo Wing) by using this forum. I am definitely a newbie. I did not know that you could do so much with this phone. The way I found out was a lot of reading. I searched and read through countless of posts and stickies. I like to know about things before I mess with a $300 phone. I enjoy my phone so much more now. But I was scared as you no what to flash my phone. I made sure that if I did something wrong I could go back to the original rom. I now find myself using some of the terms on here to explain (rather show off) to my friends. So I say thanks again! Oh by the way, I am using ttran001’s Open Touch v3.0 WM 6.1 Biggy along with A_C’s S2U2 v0.99c and I love it! :D

theformula

11-02-2008, 08:02 AM

I remember when I got my first smartphone, the Audiovox smt5600 (typhoon) this was a very young community with many questions and few answers. I for one am grateful for all the people in this community that have taken the time to master the inner-workings of each new generation of device and provide a place to discuss roms, patches, fixes, upgrades, etc, etc... If I were stuck with the factory roms on my shiny battery operated friends then many of them would have been sent back immediately.

For instance, if there wasnt a way to turn off sms sent notification, I for one would have sent my wizard WHIZZZZZING through the air into the roundfile. I found that fix HERE, and love the fact that this community exists.

To all the chefs: You ROCK. Keep the good roms rollin!

To the mods: You do a great job keping the peace and directing noobs to the pertinent information. ROCK On!

To all the n00bs: Try to find the information on your own first, then post and at least try to reference relevant threads that MAY be lacking the one piece of information you require. Please don't ask to be spoonfed on a developer forum.

I for one think the search function is somewhat lacking, which is why i'm grateful that google search is so damn good. Maybe we can replace the site search with a google search box in the header?