HTC advantage X7510! 16GB flash :)

[kdskamal]

http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/11/htc-advantage-x7510-now-upgraded-with-16gb-flash-memory/

16GB flash(!); WM6.1 and new keyboard, this baby looks great.

Alas, those magnets are still there :(

[keithwwalker]

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/02/htc-advantage-x7510-01.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/02/htc-advantage-x7510-02.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/02/htc-advantage-x7510-03.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/02/htc-advantage-x7510-04.jpg

[eaglesteve]

Luckily is a magnetic keyboard, which means I can still carry without it.:)

Noticed that the Internet browser button is no longer there? ALso, no joyce stick, ok button, and window buttons.

Yeh... dedicated row of number keys!

2 extra keys per row. This will be challenging to use. No keys for the corresponding soft keys. No more special keys for phones. Looks like a keyboard meant for input only, which is probably a good use of the keyboard space. I'm disappointed that lettter Z is still one character too right. Z should have been directly below the letter A, as is the case with standard keyboard. Should have made the left shift smaller and shift the whole row left by one key.

But the biggest questions are, any vibrating motor (sincere there is no more microdrive) and embedded earpiece?

[keithwwalker]

Anyone care to comment on the google maps, tomtom included, and the video performance relative to the x7500/7501??

I think it looks tasty! The keyboard still looks useless...

[fards]

I quite like the newer look, pity that there's no okay button I tend to use that quite a lot.

as the camera button is now on the front I wonder what the one on the top right is? seems daft to duplicate it.

[micaels]

Wonder if it would be possible to get the new athena keybaord to the old athena.

[eaglesteve]

I quite like the newer look, pity that there's no okay button I tend to use that quite a lot.

as the camera button is now on the front I wonder what the one on the top right is? seems daft to duplicate it.

I think that's the voice recorder/com manager. They just shift it to the top.


I also use the ok button quite a bit to minimise application. For example, after a phone call, I press ok to hide it.

[Confucious]

Looks nice - but evolution rather than revolution, I want one. Just not enough to make me fork out what it will cost.

[eaglesteve]

How am I supposed to control my music player without the joystick and action button? Now I use it to volume up, volume down, next song, previous song, and off the screen. I also use OK button to bring up the playlist, and browser button to pause/play. With these buttons all gone now, playing music without switching on the screen would be a problem.:(

[techntrek]

So much for the next version being the Next Big Thing. Loosing the joystick and half of the programmable buttons was a bad choice. No mention of vibrate, or gaining a private earpiece, either. No wider+narrow screen and form factor to make it more phone-like with more screen space. That membrane keyboard is going to suck, too. Anyone remember the Atari 400? There's a reason the Atari 800 was much more popular and so many aftermarket keyboards came out for the 400...


Next.

[patrickl]

The new full keyboard looks like an improvement. Typing text with numbers or special character is now a nightmare on the advantage.

On the other hand, it looks like the little transparent strip at the back of the keyboard is now solid black. I kinda enjoy the fact that I can see who calls me with the keyboard attached.

Looks like the cut a lot of features from th Advantage where I don't even see what the point could be of losing them. How much space is that going to bring them and why would they need to save space on a device that's basically the same with only a bit of extra flash memory?

[Madhadder]

Alas, those magnets are still there :(

What did you expect? Snaps? Double sided sticky tape?

[Digital.Diablo]

What did you expect? Snaps? Double sided sticky tape?

On a product like this, Velcro :D

And on a serious note, I'm loving the look, although I don't know how well it will work without the OK button, its a useful app switcher on the current generation. I could probably live without the joypad. Its a bit rubbish they've decided to drop the infobar thing (I'm assuming so given the 100% opaque keyboard) which is quite nice when your not using it in a case. I do like the look of the keyboard, might be more usable that the current one maybe.

[GuardianZX9]

Where are all the buttons? WTF?
We need more hardware buttons not less, and the joystick too Helloooo HTC WTF?

I would have considered it with the 16GB drive, but there is no chance now without buttons, I wanted a dedicated Answer/End buttons, I had the OK/Win buttons remapped as well as every other button with AE Buttons, this gave me Dedicated Answer/End plus Opera or IE and Flashlight :) all from a quick hardware button press.

I assume they are trying to to everything from TouchFlo instead.

I still would have liked vibrate and a dedicated ear speaker, for when my bluetooth headset is dead.

And the info display, I cant believe that they couldnt fix the damn reed magnet switch so it worked as advertised.

Well, still waiting for the next big thing :)
G

[kdskamal]

What did you expect? Snaps? Double sided sticky tape?

Anything, but, certainly not magnets(!). Why not permantely attach the keyboard or completly do away with it?

[miterb]

I find the Joystick to be most used button on the X7501. I rarely use the device in landscape mode when surfing my favorite blogs. I hold down the joystick to get past all the links on the home pages to get to the current messages. Also use it extensively to page forward in ebooks.
Brad

[techntrek]

Here's the official press release: http://www.htc.com/press_room/03-press-080211_01.htm


Interesting that they only mention one camera in this release, yet the pictures show the camera facing the user. So... did the original 3 mp camera get chucked, along with the bright LED? Do you now need to turn the thing around to take a picture?

Other questions: Do the external GPS & cell antenna ports still exist? Does the new camera button (the old browser button) have two positions so you can focus first and then take the pic? What accessories will be included in the box this time (and will it include a belt-ready pouch)?

I think they really missed the boat on this one.

[Deiota]

what about the backlight? does this keyboard get light on night?

[hmeyer]

On this danish site there is a bit more info about the new keyboard, which I don't see here:

http://qtek-user.dk/models.php?id=88 (very slow loading!)

It has what is called "haptic feedback", and it delievers a small vibration when you activate a key, which in my opinion must be an improvement to the old style. Also the numeric keys look great, but the lack of the various hardkeys is strange and probably inconvenient.

[hmeyer]

And here are the specs:

http://tele-online.dk/product.asp?product=16784&sub=67

Someone asked about GPS and Camera, according to this there are no changes, so both are present.

[mahjong]

Why they remove the joystick in the top-left conner???

It's very useful.

[keithwwalker]

No joystick, and no OK/Window buttons. I wonder if the designers ever use an Athena themselves?!?

On the plus side, it seems as if it will re-orient the screen automatically just like an iPhone.

Also a first, is that the press release specifically mentions Tomtom Navigator, and not that awful pay per month crap that came with the athena.

It seems that the video hardware is different as well, anyone care to comment?

[LTxda]

Let's wait and see what they do. It mentions a G-Sensor on the official site/specs...they could do some interesting things with this...who knows.

In order to make power users switch, they're going to have to pull out some really impressive tricks. It's good that they are going to have nice drivers for the display if I read correctly. It should speed things up significantly on the device.

I pulled out my wallet but am thinking i may wait till April to order mine.

I love my Athena and would love to have the 16GB's and potential to replace that with something larger...i can't wait to see demo's of how this thing works. I'm surprised no one has a YouTube video yet. What happened to all the people getting demo's of the product?

[irus]

i just want the software that comes with it, including an vga version of htcalbum :) but as for the phone its self i am more that happy to stick with my 8gb version. between that and 8gb micro sd i never use it all anyways. i just cant wait until i get my hands on the rom :)

[eaglesteve]

i just want the software that comes with it, including an vga version of htcalbum :) but as for the phone its self i am more that happy to stick with my 8gb version. between that and 8gb micro sd i never use it all anyways. i just cant wait until i get my hands on the rom :)


I feel the same at this moment. Currently, with about 100 applications' cab on my MD and 60 of them installed, I use less than 10% of the space, as all my data are on miniSDHC cards.

I use all the hardware buttons currently - to switch SIP, to rotate screen, to control my MP3 player. I'd find it inconviniet without programmable hardware buttons.

X7510 is only very very slightly smaller than X7500. So, there is no convincing reason to open up my wallet at this stage.

But if it has embedded earpiece and vibration.... than we can talk.:)

[sergiopi]

I think they believe in the new g-sensor as joystick substitute... BUT

1) The lack of a "private" phone call without using the earphone is still there

2) 16 Gb? may be someone needs , I don't. IMHO is too dangerous to bring large amount of relevant data in a small device and the REAL bottleneck is the USB/Activesync transfer rate

3) No VIDEO driver improvements, no REALVGA on board

4) keyboard improvement? I use the system "click" sound and it works

As happy ADVANTAGE owner I am not excited form the new HW features, I want opera 9, windows 6.1, new radio and the all the SW upgrade! Please post the ATHENA WM 6 3D if you agree to put some momey in the new ROM project!

[mahjong]

I agree. I have my Athena for close than a year now and I don't find 16 GB makes the difference. What for? I'm carrying all sat photos and maps of a circle of 200 Kms around my city, plus the whole Europe for Tomtom, plus around 500 songs in MP3, plus some videos and tons of programs installed in my microdrive and is only 50% full.

Having no improve in the video is a pain in the neck...

I'm not buying the new one.

[Deiota]

hi!
i'm still asking to someone that had it on it hands, does it iluminate the keyboard? Like Universal and other do? Athena doesnt and I think it sucks.
not the 8 GB matters vs 16 GB, I wont change my athena despite of great improvements.
one would be the backlight on the keyboard.
thanks
deiota

[cottinghamm]

hi!
i'm still asking to someone that had it on it hands, does it iluminate the keyboard? Like Universal and other do? Athena doesnt and I think it sucks.
not the 8 GB matters vs 16 GB, I wont change my athena despite of great improvements.
one would be the backlight on the keyboard.
thanks
deiota

Point well made.

I don't think this device is one that any Athena owner would upgrade to, it is just the next version of it for those who don't already have one.

If the keyboard is better quality and backwards compatible that would be great. I am sure someone here will reverse the OS and any goodies onto the Athena's that we all have.

I suspect that we will have to wait for WM7 to see much in the way of real innovation from HTC (& clearly they are struggling to get the Shift out, so I don't see that they want even more new things out there to go wrong).

[Deiota]

does anyone actually saw it on GSMA Mobile World Congress?

[bartito]

This pda is not at the Barcelona Mobile World Congress.
I was there today and had no idea about it

I have viewed only the Shift, and i have tested it...

Regards

[Deiota]

its a pitty it's not at congress..

[kdskamal]

Remove the magnets, I'm in then ;)

[crazy cat]

Hope i can use the new keyboard on my Ameo8. :D

[fatouraee]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GYoysif5kp0


not that much different.
just touchflo and more memory.
new keyboard. it looks the same just less keys....
it still has the clear part on the keyboard but the it is smaller area and also the video says wm6.0 but it could be an upgrade before it is out...
but i will get the shift instead of upgrading from my current advantage.

[Confucious]

This pda is not at the Barcelona Mobile World Congress.
I was there today and had no idea about it

I have viewed only the Shift, and i have tested it...

Regards

Don't know where you are ...

http://www.modaco.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=265318&view=findpost&p=877528

[Pawel062]

I think they believe in the new g-sensor as joystick substitute... BUT

1) The lack of a "private" phone call without using the earphone is still there

2) 16 Gb? may be someone needs , I don't. IMHO is too dangerous to bring large amount of relevant data in a small device and the REAL bottleneck is the USB/Activesync transfer rate

3) No VIDEO driver improvements, no REALVGA on board

4) keyboard improvement? I use the system "click" sound and it works

As happy ADVANTAGE owner I am not excited form the new HW features, I want opera 9, windows 6.1, new radio and the all the SW upgrade! Please post the ATHENA WM 6 3D if you agree to put some momey in the new ROM project!

video drivers will be in this new x7510 from what i been reading. keyboard ill still most likely chuck for fingertouch. 16gb i will love bc now i can put even more music not that i have the time to though bc of the new athena rom and polaris rom im working on. :P my microdrive is only a bit over 1gb full right now bc i have no time to fill it with music but im sure i would go past the 8gb and buy a 8gb microsd :p

agree though with the earpiece but i got used to athena. i think this might actually be a worth upgrade for me...

[Pawel062]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GYoysif5kp0


not that much different.
just touchflo and more memory.
new keyboard. it looks the same just less keys....
it still has the clear part on the keyboard but the it is smaller area and also the video says wm6.0 but it could be an upgrade before it is out...
but i will get the shift instead of upgrading from my current advantage.

nice video. the vga random access i have and it will be in 4.0 rom. i have a oem done by htc vga album and other stuff. ull have to wait till the rom is out to see everything i have. and no btw i dont have the 7510 rom...YET...

[greatestkelvin]

What HTC should have done is to keep to the same number of buttons and the joystick. They should bumped up the specs. The screen is still the same, processor speed is still the same. There is no earpiece.Probably went this model comes out, the older one would have dropped a lot in price. Wouldn't it makes sense to purchase the older model afterall you are paying a premium only for more memory which is not very useful as well as a slightly better keyboard.

[keithwwalker]

It will be interesting to see mashups can occur between the 7500/7501 and new 7510.

ROMS are obvious, but I am interested in the 16gb Flash memory (is it technically a SSD?).

Chances are the Flash drive uses the same connector as the 8gb HDD. Extend the concept a bit farther, the SSD manufacturer, unknown at this time, probably has a family of drives. I wonder if the architecture of the OS could handle a 32 or 64gb ssd?

Also remember that the 7510 is the Euro model, there is probably a '7511' in the works. If HTC receives enough feedback, they may include the joystick and OK/Windows buttons....?

Keith Walker

[bartito]

Don't know where you are ...

http://www.modaco.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=265318&view=findpost&p=877528

today, i have revisited the htc stand and the x7510 is not here!
is at the T-Mobile Stand? i will go Tomorrow !!!

[mahjong]

Question is... if most of the hardware is the same... will the 7510 ROM work on 7500?

[Pawel062]

Question is... if most of the hardware is the same... will the 7510 ROM work on 7500?

if htc would put the 7510 back on display we could find out. we have olipro and cmonex on site at the show ;) sucks though because i can't reach them to find out how its going there and tell them what to check out for me :(

[bartito]

hi,
i attach the x7510 photos that i have maked today...

links are:

http://gsi.ac.upc.edu/temp/IMAGE_022.jpg
http://gsi.ac.upc.edu/temp/IMAGE_023.jpg
http://gsi.ac.upc.edu/temp/IMAGE_024.jpg
http://gsi.ac.upc.edu/temp/IMAGE_025.jpg
http://gsi.ac.upc.edu/temp/IMAGE_026.jpg

regards

[LTxda]

hi,
i attach the x7510 photos that i have maked today...

links are:

http://gsi.ac.upc.edu/temp/IMAGE_022.jpg
http://gsi.ac.upc.edu/temp/IMAGE_023.jpg
http://gsi.ac.upc.edu/temp/IMAGE_024.jpg
http://gsi.ac.upc.edu/temp/IMAGE_025.jpg
http://gsi.ac.upc.edu/temp/IMAGE_026.jpg

regards

Is this already being sold where you live?

[LTxda]

Question is... if most of the hardware is the same... will the 7510 ROM work on 7500?

FYI, this is being tested as we speak. ;-)

hehehe

[bartito]

Is this already being sold where you live?

NOOOOOO, i have showed at the "Barcelona World Mobile Congress" !!
regards

[LTxda]

NOOOOOO, i have showed at the "Barcelona World Mobile Congress" !!
regards

Ic....well Opera9 runs nicely on my x7500 :)

[eaglesteve]

Ic....well Opera9 runs nicely on my x7500 :)

Not 9.5? Can you post the cab for us ? Thanks.

[marthynovak]

wow thats great

[LTxda]

Not 9.5? Can you post the cab for us ? Thanks.

I have 9.33beta like the one already posted.

[mlambert890]

video drivers will be in this new x7510 from what i been reading. keyboard ill still most likely chuck for fingertouch. 16gb i will love bc now i can put even more music not that i have the time to though bc of the new athena rom and polaris rom im working on. :P my microdrive is only a bit over 1gb full right now bc i have no time to fill it with music but im sure i would go past the 8gb and buy a 8gb microsd :p

agree though with the earpiece but i got used to athena. i think this might actually be a worth upgrade for me...


Can you guys explain to me what you mean by video drivers being "in"? I clearly see the footprint of the ATI drivers on the 7501. They're on the device. The reg entries are there, the files are there, the hardware config txt is there and TCPMP and CorePlayer work in ATI mode.

The problem is that the Imageon support in TCPMP and CP has always been abysmal. They CLAIM they will fix this with the 1.2 release Feb 21, but its been YEARS (going back to the early ATI based Toshibas for me) I see NO problems with video performance at ALL on the 7501. It is right in line with my HX4705. I do see PLENTY of problems with video playback performance in CorePlayer and TCPMP, but again, this is their fault and is due to the bad Imageon support. The 7501 is no worse or better than my 4705. That said, at least Core ATTEMPTS to support this part. Its amazing how many "mobile GPUs" get released and marketed and reviewed across the web with NO software support AT ALL. The problem with Win Mobile is that the DirectDraw interface sucks and is very slow, hence having a basic driver for the video card in the BSP isnt good enough. A media player must ignore Direct Draw and DIRECTLY support the video card in order to get good perf and with EVERY GPU except the Intel in the Dell Axim, that just doesnt/hasnt happened. So ATI sucks, NVidia sucks, Marvel sucks Qualcomm (ATI) sucks. Throw ANY high res video at ANY of these parts and they will choke. The sign of no drivers being integrated into the device is a slow UI - scrolling, orientation change, etc. I see NONE of that on the 7501.

The driver is on the 7501. The problem with the Qualcomm based HTCs is that the ATI part was integrated by Qualcomm and then implemented by HTC. For one reason or another, Qualcomm did not supply the ATI driver as part of their package to HTC and HTC did nothing special to attempt to support it.

[marthynovak]

Will the ROMs working on X7500 works on X7510?

[oyumurtaci]

I know everyone has an opinion on the new Advantage, but here are my thoughts and hopes:

The new keyboard, despite being a step in the right direction, isn't what I had hoped for. I was looking for a more 'click' type of feedback, even if only light such as that of the Tytn II. This new 'vibrate' tactile feedback has been great on the LG Viewty that I have been toying with, but that is only because the LG unit lacks any decent hard keys and the feedback is received when screen buttons are pressed. Considering the hard feel of the keyboard, a small click with minimal travel seems to be too much to ask. Hence, touch typing will still be a hit and miss issue, and I have a feeling all the vibrating from thumbboarding on the keyboard will drain the battery a little faster (thinking of corporate e-mail addicts and frequent SMS senders here). Other than that, considering they were able to fit a 'vibrator' under the keypad, it would only make sense that HTC managed to fit some sort of backlighting for the keyboard as well. If not, shame on them.

I will miss the hard keys surrounding the bezel. After all, that is the point of the bezel isn't it? If there aren't going to be any useful features on a bezel then why have it at all? Either extend the screen or make the device smaller. If 'smaller' isn't possible due to internal parts, then make the screen bigger or keep the buttons. I agree with most users in that I will miss the D-pad and OK buttons the most.

I appreciate the increased storage capacity and the switch to no moving parts. Not that I plan on dropping it on concrete any time soon, but you never know.

Lastly, the software front. Considering most of the internals are identical to the previous (current?) version, I have a feeling WM6.1 won't have trouble running on the Advantages we already own. The question is will HTC support it (I know that if they don't xda will get right on it). I know that most of the video playback issues regarding the Advantage and Tytn II stem from lack of software support but the UI must be just bad programming on the drivers front (correct me if I am wrong). Despite the rumors that HTC will have full support for the ATi chipsets in the new version, considering that they are the same chips as those in the current advantage, it doesn't make sense that they wouldn't release them for current owners (unless there is some great legal dispute with the Broadcom/Qualcomm lawsuit that also has an effect on HTC). Therefore I believe the best we can hope for is software support in TCPMP for video playback, and just hope for the best with WM6.1. Considering the Sony representatives at WMC mentioned that the UI issues on the demonstrated XPERIA X1 (Also HTC built) will be resolved by the time of sale, I have a feeling that we will finally start to see devices that aren't bogged down by WM. In general though, I feel that the real disappointment all this time has been Microsoft. I realize that they have had to develop a platform that will support vast variations in hardware while providing maximal software support (both with Windows and Windows Mobile) but general UI issues despite having hardware support is just plain disappointing.

All in all, I'm hoping that the new Advantage drives the price of the current version down so I can get a second one. I like the 16gb solid state storage, but that can be offset with SD cards, and it's not like the added speed will make a difference with a PATA interface (my guess, may be something other than PATA). Even if it did, we'd still be waiting for the TCPMP window to close and return to the Today screen... but I still love my HTC devices.

[marthynovak]

But I really dont know what to do.I have two options.Wait for X7510 or buy a X7500...help me please.

[keithwwalker]

New photos here:
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/02/16/hands-on-with-htcs-updated-advantage-x7510/

[vjsxda]

it seems to have a new htc plugin

[mahjong]

it seems to have a new htc plugin

Yeah looks exactly like SnapVue to me.

SnapVue = the WM part of the HTC Shift

[greatestkelvin]

I own a Dopod U1000, was wondering is it worthwhile to upgrade it to X7510. What do u guys think?

[eaglesteve]

I own a Dopod U1000, was wondering is it worthwhile to upgrade it to X7510. What do u guys think?

I won't. I need more compelling improvement in design than just flash memory but removed buttons.

[mcwtrekkie]

Yeah looks exactly like SnapVue to me.

SnapVue = the WM part of the HTC Shift

Dont thin it's snapvue .. as it doesnt use the whole of the today screen. Looks more like an updated version of HTC Home, nicer one too imo

[Robson]

like many of you, i do agree that the looks are quite good and possibly an improvement over the 7500. however, i also agree that the joystick should have been included. i for one am a heavy user of this as well as the "ok" button. the 16 gb hd is an improvement but it's not really a motivating factor for me. i'm based in thailand and i was at mbk just this weekend. for those who've been there or are based in thailand, it's where you can buy loads of stuff (both fake and original) for much less the price. with that i was able to score 2 4gb mini-sd cards for 800 baht a piece....that's like 20-plus usd each. keyboard looks good but i only use mine when i'm doing push email. then again i did upgrade my unit to the aku3 rom and the large screen keyboard does wonders.

again, nice looks but it definitely won't warrant replacing my current unit.

2 cents

[luthor_70]

On the youtube video we can see a few moment of the camera mode, the framerate still looks crapy like what we have on our current devices. I really doubt there will be any video acceleration nor any drivers enhancement in this new release of the athena. Also the video doesn't show any improvement in the displaying of WM6, it still looks slow. If the device shown on that video is in its final stage, we shouldn't expect any video improvement from its rom.

[greatestkelvin]

I own a Dopod U1000, was wondering is it worth to upgrade to the X7510. What do u guys think?

[mahjong]

Dont thin it's snapvue .. as it doesnt use the whole of the today screen. Looks more like an updated version of HTC Home, nicer one too imo

It is. I did a picture of SnapVue on Shift and looks exactly the same:

http://www.todoumpc.com/forum/uploads/mahjong/2008-01-30_195957_Shift-2.jpg

http://www.todoumpc.com/forum/uploads/mahjong/2008-01-30_200048_Shift-3.jpg

Looks the same to me.

[LTxda]

I own a Dopod U1000, was wondering is it worth to upgrade to the X7510. What do u guys think?

My advise is don't make a purchase yet. Wait at least another month. There are a few things happening in the back ground that may or may not change your mind about the 7510. Won't say anything else so no one ask what i'm talking about. :p

[tootallk2000]

My advise is don't make a purchase yet. Wait at least another month. There are a few things happening in the back ground that may or may not change your mind about the 7510. Won't say anything else so no one ask what i'm talking about. :p

I just had to on this one ltxda "what are you talking about?" :D J/K Personally I don't really care for it due to the lack of backlit keyboard. I can get 8 additional gigs with a sdhc card so there goes that. I don't think that the changes they did to the phone were that big for me to shellout 1200 plus for it. Again this is just my opinion on the phone so do not flame me for it.

[LTxda]

I just had to on this one ltxda "what are you talking about?" :D J/K Personally I don't really care for it due to the lack of backlit keyboard. I can get 8 additional gigs with a sdhc card so there goes that. I don't think that the changes they did to the phone were that big for me to shellout 1200 plus for it. Again this is just my opinion on the phone so do not flame me for it.

I agree with you. Unless they do "something" that I won't go into detail about, it won't be worth it and I'll consider the 7500 a superior device. Let's just see how it goes once we start getting all the demo YouTube video's. If anyone's got new video's please post them.

IF that "something" doesn't happen...my opinion is that this is a rip off. No one should have to dish out that kind of cash for the same device with a new type of HD and different chassis.

We'll see how the final product performs.

[LTxda]

Yeah looks exactly like SnapVue to me.

SnapVue = the WM part of the HTC Shift

It's actually an updated version of HTC Home. When it's in Portrait mode it looks like the current version and when it's in Landscape it changes to the layout in the picture. But it's not SnapVue, guaranteed. :)

[mcwtrekkie]

It is. I did a picture of SnapVue on Shift and looks exactly the same:

http://www.todoumpc.com/forum/uploads/mahjong/2008-01-30_195957_Shift-2.jpg

http://www.todoumpc.com/forum/uploads/mahjong/2008-01-30_200048_Shift-3.jpg

Looks the same to me.

I'm pretty certain it isn't (no offense) .. I've used SnapVue on my X7500 (Thanks to the Athena Project), and it is different, although, yes it does look similar.


I agree with you. Unless they do "something" that I won't go into detail about, it won't be worth it and I'll consider the 7500 a superior device. Let's just see how it goes once we start getting all the demo YouTube video's. If anyone's got new video's please post them.

IF that "something" doesn't happen...my opinion is that this is a rip off. No one should have to dish out that kind of cash for the same device with a new type of HD and different chassis.

We'll see how the final product performs.

Could you be anymore cryptic?! What part of that I'm able to understand, I do agree with though, I admit


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oops, ltxda beat me to it :P
It's actually an updated version of HTC Home. When it's in Portrait mode it looks like the current version and when it's in Landscape it changes to the layout in the picture. But it's not SnapVue, guaranteed.

[mahjong]

I'm pretty certain it isn't (no offense) .. I've used SnapVue on my X7500 (Thanks to the Athena Project), and it is different, although, yes it does look similar.

No problem mcwtrekkie you looks having far more information than me. :)

[greatestkelvin]

Thanks for the opinion. Looks like I won't upgrade my Dopod U1000 to the X7510. Will wait for a month to see what happens. My guess is that some super new models are coming out soon. imate 9502, Toshiba 920, HTC Omni. By then we will have fun time choosing

[greatestkelvin]

I was just thinking since I do not use the keyboard, that means I do not need the magnets tat is built inside the HTC Advantage. I was wondering if I can remove them to make this machine lighter? Was wondering have anybody tried this before

[keithwwalker]

Upon studying the service manual, it seems that there are only 3 torx screws to hold in the bottom cover (take out battery and leave cover open before removing.)

You have me curious as to whether the magnets are cast into the cover or somehow removable.

I don't use the keyboard either, so I might try this. I don't think it will save a lot of weight though, they seem to be rare earth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare-earth_magnet

What it will save is not having a potentially harmful magnet to erase your magnetic swipe on a credit card or messing up a watch....

I was just thinking since I do not use the keyboard, that means I do not need the magnets tat is built inside the HTC Advantage. I was wondering if I can remove them to make this machine lighter? Was wondering have anybody tried this before

[mcwtrekkie]

Upon studying the service manual, it seems that there are only 3 torx screws to hold in the bottom cover (take out battery and leave cover open before removing.)

You have me curious as to whether the magnets are cast into the cover or somehow removable.

I don't use the keyboard either, so I might try this. I don't think it will save a lot of weight though, they seem to be rare earth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare-earth_magnet

What it will save is not having a potentially harmful magnet to erase your magnetic swipe on a credit card or messing up a watch....

You're right, once removing the 2 torx you can quite easily take off the bottom panel, which holds the magnets in place. I think there are 2 if memory serves. They're glued in place, but should be very easy to remove. They won't save much weight though.

[greatestkelvin]

looks like I am going to try to remove the magnets. My PDA is going to be the lightest in town.