Keyboard is getting too loose!

[gtazok]

Hi,

just another question by a lam3 user :D

After some day using my tytn, i noticed that the keyboard is very loose, just after locking it under the lcd.

to explain better: video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj56htWOHEk

as you see, the keyboard is very loose just after locking it.
My device id is 640, so it is affected by some keyboard sliding problems(is a v1605)...but my question is: There is something i can do to fix this?

i tried to tighten the screws i signed here
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/5449/foto021108001ti6.th.jpg (http://img229.imageshack.us/my.php?image=foto021108001ti6.jpg)

but without significative improvement.

this is a minor issue,i think, but if i can fix it my tytn will go better in my huge hands ;)
however, no problem if the fixing procedure involves to remove the warranty sticker up the screw, the tytn is on italy and i do not think that vodafone uk will change it ;)

many many thanks

gtazok

[StarMonkee]

The screws you've tightened are just for the housing. To make the keyboard tighter, you need to take the device apart :)

These 2 links explain everything you need:
http://michael-channon.spaces.live.com/?_c11_BlogPart_BlogPart=blogview&_c=BlogPart&_c02_owner=1&partqs=cat%3dHermes%2bFixes
http://www.howardforums.com/showpost.php?p=9119842&postcount=1

Good luck!

[C Brown]

underneath your main board is 4 screws tighten those and you should be set. If not you may need to by a new housing. I hope the tighten helps though.

[gtazok]

omg, this will really need to open all the device! :(:(:(

damn, there is no other way?

[StarMonkee]

I couldn't really tell from your video if it is the standard loose keyboard problem you've got, but my keyboard was loose in the way that when closed it could 'fall' open pretty easily.

I used the guides above, and while it does invalidate your warranty (unless you're able to remove the warranty sticker without breaking it), it is very easy to do and put back together.

[gtazok]

my problem is, as shown on video:

when i try to press the power button, i apply some force to my forefinger to tighten the grabbing around the phone.

when i apply this force, the upper part of the phone(the part where is the buttons of mail and iexplore) slide off the housing, and go for about 2 mm (as shown in the video).

i will like to tightnen this, to do that the phone will never slide the keyb without apply *Decent* pressure.

the keyboard,however, stay solid when fully opened, and *decent* pressure is needed to restore it from the full opening to housing closed.

was i *almost* clear? i'm very sorry but i understand that my english is a mess and really confusing, but if someone could guide me, i can do photo, pictures and so on.

thanks
gtazok

[StarMonkee]

Yep, that sounds exactly the same as my problem!

The 2 links above should help, as long as you're happy to take the phone apart. If you are willing, it is pretty easy to do, but will invalidate your warranty if you still have one.
A couple of taps on the indents on the sliders with a screwdriver will make the sliders much tighter, and you can test the tightness before putting it back together.

I went a bit overboard with mine and overtightened it, but now I prefer it that way -there's no way the keyboard will slide out without some effort :)

[gtazok]

Yep, that sounds exactly the same as my problem!

The 2 links above should help, as long as you're happy to take the phone apart. If you are willing, it is pretty easy to do, but will invalidate your warranty if you still have one.
A couple of taps on the indents on the sliders with a screwdriver will make the sliders much tighter, and you can test the tightness before putting it back together.

I went a bit overboard with mine and overtightened it, but now I prefer it that way -there's no way the keyboard will slide out without some effort :)

great, that was exactly was i searched so!


but..a couple of taps...i have noticed that the indents are "stamped", there is the possibility i will break it with too much force?

and, for opening the tytn, where i can find all the needed in one pack? i live in italy, but i have no idea of what screwdriver and things must(and where)buy.
maybe there is some omnicomprensive pack that could be shipped to italy without problem.

many thanks, i appreciate much

Gtazok

[StarMonkee]

The metal is quite soft in the sliders so it is possible to hit it too hard, but I don't think you're likely to do that if you start softly and keep testing the slider tightness until it's right.

The only 'special' screws are the ones holding the case in, but they can be opened pretty easily with a small flat screwdriver. From what I can remember, the screws inside the phone are just small normal screws.

[C Brown]

omg, this will really need to open all the device! :(:(:(

damn, there is no other way?



Okay If you do tighten those screws it will help that. I've seen them to be soo bad that if you tilt the device it slides open. Soo basically if you still under warranty send it to your provider other wise follow this guide.

ftp://ftp.xda-developers.com/Uploads/Hermes/Hermes_Manual_Hyins/Hermes_Service_Manual.pdf

This will guide you through the entire process of taking apart your Hermes. Good luck if you have any questions.

msn=xkillthelightx@hotmail.com

[gtazok]

HI!!

just managed to re-close my hermes (first time i closed it without inserting the last cable LOL...i forgot it, but before powering off he comed to my mind..omg what i have risked not plugging last cable before closing??)

however, i did manage do disassembly only with a standard little screwdriver, not without problems ;)

i just arrived to disassemble the keyb, and get rid on the rails.
I must admit that i NEVER have seen so much dust in a phone(i think mine was re-assembled from another).

i have extracted the rails, the 2, and tried to gentle tapping the indents.No way to go, i tapped *gently*(sometimes a little hard) but i really noticed no improvement :(
so,i thinked:
"if i change the rails, i will have a perfectly mirrored situation, with the keyboard closed it will be ok, with keyb opened it will be a little loose"
(remember, the keyb was loose when try to open it, not when to close)
So i changed the rails, switching them...

and now it's really better, the phone rarely go off his housing, closed, and go down a little more easily(but is acceptable, because i never do any "forcing" when it's open..)

maybe, with time, the opening will become a problem, with the keyb sliding to close when it's open.
However, maybe this not occour.So for now i'm happy :)


last thing. I noticed that on the page where the man tried to adjust the rails, he suggested
1)to tap the indents( tried, work very very little)
2)to insert pieces of ribbon

i not tried the second suggestion, because i have not understand WHERE to insert those pieces.Maybe he was suggesting to insert them at the end of the rails? where the carts block? if it is, why? i tried to pull up the small piece of "sheet"(i don't know if it's the correct term, sorry for my bad english :D) on the border of the cart where it don't block, but whitout results..so inserting ribbon what improvement would have done?

thanks for the patience to read all my messed up english and many thanks

gtaz

[gtazok]

the sliders are becoming loose as the beginning.


someone knows where to buy the sliders as a spare parts?

[gtazok]

anyone know?

[gtazok]

ok no way? :(

[galaxys]

anyone know?

Take a look in this thread & mikechannon's link; if not there, then just pm / ask mikechannon...

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=298784

[gtazok]

Take a look in this thread & mikechannon's link; if not there, then just pm / ask mikechannon...

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=298784


:) thanks :)

[MikeChannon]

the sliders are becoming loose as the beginning.


someone knows where to buy the sliders as a spare parts?

I think you just need to increase those indents a bit more than you did. It is more successful to tap the indents using a small flat blade screwdriver and a small hammer. (Go easy of course and keep testing as you tap. You want a very firm click into place. You should hear the click and it should be really quite hard to move the slider over the indents using your finger tips)

The tapping technique is probably better than just pressing a screwdriver blade onto the indent. Pressing rather than tapping is likely to simply bend the entire metal strip and curve it slightly. This might improve the grip for a while but as the curve gradually straightens out again the slider will just become loose again. Using the tapping method I did mine well over a year ago and I have never had to redo it and it takes a very firm push an audibl clicks to open the device.

(Buying new sliders will not solve your problem. The vast majority, it seems to me were made withy too shallow indents. It may be worth buying new ones if the micro welds have sprung apart however)

Mike

[gtazok]

hi

i dismantled my hermes one more time. This time i put out an hammer(a big hammer,indeed)so i "gently" hammered with a flat screwdriver the indents.

result? the keyb is now "really locked" when i open it..but the opening problem remain.

when i try to open it when it is closed, with my finger, i notice that the slipping of the upper left part(seeing the phone from the front) is EVER too loose, i reopened 2 times and tapped "not so gently" the incriminated indent, but i noticed no result. i also tried to exchange the sliders (the lower with the higher) but no improvement was done.

i think that is a defective implementation, because the "centre of pressure" is located in the upper part of the phone, so the phone is like to open more easily when it is closed. Did anyone noticed that?

however, the overall is increased, i think, about 30-40% more tighten as before, and that is no bad.
shame it has no solved my problem, but life it so bad that i can will be live happy with a little loose tytn :o

thanks

Gtazok

[galaxys]

I agree that my the upper left keyboard slider has always been looser than the bottom...

[gtazok]

good, that confirm my idea.

let us know if any other noticed the same thing.

thanks

gtazok

[freakSHO]

i to have a loose slider after purchasing a used phone. the way i fixed it is i did a complete dissasembly (make sure you are properly grounded and take it slow) after a complete dissasembly i removed the back plate from the display. then i layed the back cover of the lcd with the sliders on a flat surface and put a small phillips on the line and gently tapped it. repeat 3 more times in the other locations. it dont take much just a very slight tap. now my phone works like new. thanks for all the info guys :D