Maxing Out Your Overclock!!

[spjr]

I know when some people try to overclock past a certain point it does not let
them, for example it gives them a fuzzy screen or just freezes. Well I came
across an idea which did work on my Wing.

The whole concept is keeping your wing cold, sort of like when you overclock your computers CPU you want to keep it running as cool as possible.

Before starting!
I am not responsible if you damage your device, or break it!!!

Heres what you do to get those high overclocked settings.

First off you want to monitor the temperature of your CPU.
You can do this directly from battery status.

Go to indicators make sure thats checked off, as well as temperature.

This will then display the temps on the today screen.
Normally it displays Celsius, if you press on the Temps it then displays
Fahrenheit.

Now you want to take your phone and put it in the freezer.
Yes I said the freezer lol.
You can wrap it up in a paper towel or just put it in regularly up to you.

Leave it in their for 1 minute and monitor the temperatures.
Make sure to check it constantly.

Now once the temperature hits 0 degrees Celsius/ 32 degrees Fahrenheit
remove it from the freezer and set your clock speed. It should not freeze, or
make a fuzzy screen. Leave it at that clock speed and put it back in the
freezer, monitor it for at least another 5 minutes. After that take out your
device wipe it down and soft reset it.

Once your done the overclock should stay at the set speed.

This worked for me and I hope it does wonders for you.

Thanks for reading!

[jappo01]

Nice thinking, you've just took overclocking to the next level.

But aside from the warning on overclocking > be carefull with putting your herald into the freezer. Because you Herald is not sealed airthight, there will always be a small amount of air inside the apparatus. The moment you put your device in the freezer the air and its natural humidity will freeze. As soon as you take out you device the frozen air/humidity will unfreeze and cause condensation within your device.

This means there is a (small) chance you will get corrosion on vital parts of your device causing it to mall-function.

Because the time is limited the chance is small, but always present. (this might even happen during winters when you change from an outside temperature to a inside temperature or during rain).
Although unlikely to happen often, it happend several time while I worked at a phoneshop.

Good luck!

[dkb218]

Um. Wow. Don't Know What To Say. So like what happens when say you're out the house for 10 hours and the device heats up? Are you saying that the cold freeze will trick the device into thinking it's really colder than it actually is? Or is a stay at home and close to the frig trick?

[ultrajakob]

Perhaps not the most relevant comment but does it really make that much of a difference?

I had mine set to 273mhz for a week or so and then turned it off for some reason and then forgot to put it back on; and I must say that I really didn't notice any difference. The was still significant lag between switching portrait-landscape for example.

And I should point out that one of my biggest disappointments with this phone is the speed, or should I say the lack of.. So it feels to me that if there would be a big difference I should have noticed because that is whats bugs me the most with the phone..

[spjr]

Thanks jappo for that heads up.

Now to dkb218 I don't appreciate your sarcasm.
I never stated that it "tricked" your phone into thinking its colder than it is.
The reason I shared this is because I used to never be able to get past
247Mhz on my Wing I tried this out and now I am at 286Mhz stable.

To ultrajakob, overclocking does make a big significance in speed.
Of course you will still see lag from when switching to landscape mode,
but it will not show as much. I have my wing set to 286Mhz and the switch
is almost instant with no lag. Another thing that can affect it is if you
have a lot of today plugins, try cleaning up your today screen a bit.

[dkb218]

Thanks jappo for that heads up.

Now to dkb218 I don't appreciate your sarcasm.
I never stated that it "tricked" your phone into thinking its colder than it is.
The reason I shared this is because I used to never be able to get past
247Mhz on my Wing I tried this out and now I am at 286Mhz stable.




Sarcasm = "Sure and if you put it in hot ice you can overclock to 1298!"

That's sarcasm. My question was valid. How does this make the device think that it's colder than it is? Why would this work? You post seemed rather like backdoor science and I find it hard understanding how it worked. I know that one of the keys to overclocking is keep the device from overheating. What happens when your device is no longer in a cold state? Can you answer that without thinking this is sarcasm?

[spjr]

Once again I don't know if you have trouble reading, or understanding but I never said that this tricked your device into thinking its colder than it really is.

The temps never heat up past 36 degrees Celsius/100 degrees Fahrenheit thats when charging.
To tell you the truth I don't know how this worked but its just one of those things that did.

This is what I think:
Once you set a speed and its stable without freezing/fuzzing up it stays at that.
Even when the device heats up the temperatures does not change much.

::EDIT::

Also when overclocking the temperature stays the same as if it was set at 201mhz,
a change in 85mhz should not overheat the processor.

[taspankya]

its a good idea in theory but it is probably bad practice. this extreme change between hot and cold WILL cause condensation to form inside the device. thats why people don't just hook up a refrigeration unit to their PC, they use water cooling (which is a sealed system). not only could the water short the circuitry, but it could put permanent water marks in the lcd. i guess if done properly you minimize effects, but still not a good idea. it could even void the water sticker if you have that on your device, which could keep you from your warranty (if you have one)

[spjr]

I was thinking what if it was to be put inside of a zip lock bag?

[taspankya]

I was thinking what if it was to be put inside of a zip lock bag?

nope, air is still in a zip lock bag. even a vacuum sealed bag will leave the air inside the device. and, assuming you have a strong enough vacuum, attempting to vacuum all the air out will crush the device. good idea though. i think the best bet would be some sort of way to slowly cool the device and slowly warm it back up, to reduce condensation. its like the parable of the boiling frog. thats how you need to trick it with out damaging it.

[spjr]

I like the way you think. :cool:

[foltz61]

So what temperature is too high? Or, to be clarify my question, what is a safe operating temperature range. Also spjr, maybe the freezing messed up your temperature sensor. It just doesn't seem logical for your process to work.

Thanks,

Joe

[duprade]

I guess this kind of like in the movie real genius, where Val Kilmer figured out how to make the laser run by cooling it with ice ... the only problem was that it would destroy itself after one use ... I hope that doesn't happen to your phone!
http://www.filmmonthly.com/Video/Articles/RealGenius/RG01.JPG

I would definitely be careful like taspankya said .. you don't want to damage your phone.

[dkb218]

Once again I don't know if you have trouble reading, or understanding but I never said that this tricked your device into thinking its colder than it really is.

I don't appreciated your tone their Mr. Science. You little experiment would suggest that somehow the device is no longer keeping the correct temperture after a slight deep freeze. Something is happening to make the device overclock to speeds that it didn't do prior to the putting it in the freezer. That would suggest that the gizmo that measures temperture is being "tricked" into thinking that it's colder than it is after removing it from the freezer.

Can you understand why I use the word "trick" now? You seem to have an aversion to it for some reason... or maybe you didn't carry the line of reasoning that far.

[dkb218]

I guess this kind of like in the movie real genius, where Val Kilmer figured out how to make the laser run by cooling it with ice ... the only problem was that it would destroy itself after one use ... I hope that doesn't happen to your phone!
http://www.filmmonthly.com/Video/Articles/RealGenius/RG01.JPG

I would definitely be careful like taspankya said .. you don't want to damage your phone.

Or the guy who put his device in the mircowave [not sure if that was here or HoFo] after he dropped it in water thinking this was the best way to dry it out.

[flyinbird93]

Or the guy who put his device in the mircowave [not sure if that was here or HoFo] after he dropped it in water thinking this was the best way to dry it out.

thats fing funny. i once stuck my phone in a microwave to blow it up so i could turn it in under warenty for a new model lol only takes like 5 seconds if that

[hebrewhammer]

Ok my phone is stable at 299 so I'm gonna try this to get a 312 overclock. I'll let you know my results.

[hebrewhammer]

Ok it is successfully clocked to 312 after a soft reset. Now to just see if it holds it. A side not for everyone would be to fully charge your battery before doing this. I started mine with about 40% and when it got done with the soft reset it was at 1%.

*update*
No good, froze up after a 10 minute phone call although it did hold up for the entire call. Too bad.

[porto777]

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[nyitalian718]

Also when overclocking the temperature stays the same as if it was set at 201mhz,
a change in 85mhz should not overheat the processor.


dont want to be harsh but do not ever say something like this again

as your knowlage of cpu's seems to be lacking

a 1 degree change can end a cpus life... its all in the manufacturing of the cpus

thye are made then speed tested and rated/ then set to there prime speed...

these phones have simple cool plates on them... small coper takes heat and removedit.. the phone can overheat quite fast... even at stock speed.. there are a almost infinite amount of ways this can happen... even with the humidity around youe location

go ahead and oc the phone... i run mine at 238 i think cant remember..
but as with all of us who overclock it... we run the risk...

[outfaller]

Also when overclocking the temperature stays the same as if it was set at 201mhz,
a change in 85mhz should not overheat the processor.

I don't know shit about CPU's but that's almost a 50% overclock you're talking about dude. I'd be careful about making statements like that without out some intimate technical knowledge of the CPU's used in the wing.

[spjr]

I don't appreciated your tone their Mr. Science. You little experiment would suggest that somehow the device is no longer keeping the correct temperture after a slight deep freeze. Something is happening to make the device overclock to speeds that it didn't do prior to the putting it in the freezer. That would suggest that the gizmo that measures temperture is being "tricked" into thinking that it's colder than it is after removing it from the freezer.

Can you understand why I use the word "trick" now? You seem to have an aversion to it for some reason... or maybe you didn't carry the line of reasoning that far.

Sorry if I came at your wrong.



I am not just saying this out of no knowledge.

I've tested myself that the temperature does not go up nor down after
overclocking it.

I set the clock to its stock speed which is 201Mhz
Monitored it for 10 minutes.
Soft reseted it.

Then overclocked it back to 286Mhz soft reseted monitored it for 10 minutes
and the same temperature still showed.

The freezer may have had messed up the sensors but it still records the temp changes. The temps were the same as before I put it inside the freezer.

I wouldn't just come out saying that "the change in 85mhz does not change temps" so you can all blow up your phones lol.

[sl33py21]

Sorry if I came at your wrong.



I am not just saying this out of no knowledge.

I've tested myself that the temperature does not go up nor down after
overclocking it.

I set the clock to its stock speed which is 201Mhz
Monitored it for 10 minutes.
Soft reseted it.

Then overclocked it back to 286Mhz soft reseted monitored it for 10 minutes
and the same temperature still showed.

The freezer may have had messed up the sensors but it still records the temp changes. The temps were the same as before I put it inside the freezer.

I wouldn't just come out saying that "the change in 85mhz does not change temps" so you can all blow up your phones lol.
whats the normal operating temp? whats the highest it should go?

[hebrewhammer]

Am I the only one that tried this?

[spjr]

Operating temps should never exceed 95 degrees Fahrenheit while idling and
never exceed I would say 108 degrees Fahrenheit to be on the safe side when in
use. That should run perfectly stable from what I know.


Thanks hebrewhammer for actually trying this method out
and posting some feedback from it.

I really appreciate it.

[raduque]

This is interesting. I'd like to know how it works, what the cold does to the device.

When I used to be into max overclocking on my PC, I had watercooling. One day, I put a large amount ice in my res (a 5 gallon bucket) and I was able to overclock higher. When the ice melted and the water, and conseuquently the CPU, heated back up, it was not stable at the higher overclock.

It almost sounds like this "cold shock" changes the CPU, or maybe the way it contacts the heatplate. Would really like to know exactly what's going on inside the device during this process.

Oh, and I'm stable up to 312MHz. But I keep it at 286 for battery life. ;)

[neiltoe]

You know some people like myself get lucky and can O/C @ 299mhz with no issues. But someone mentioned earlier about the today screen plugins. I have used a "Today Plugin Uninstaller" since the day I got my Wing that removes any today plugin dll completely. This sped up my portrait to landscape and vice versa. This might be helpful for those that use the keyboard slide in/out as a measure of efficiency. Also a side note for those using OpenTouch by ttran it will make the HTC Home maintain its propotions when sliding in/out. Good Luck

PS. I don't know where I originally found the file nor am I trying to get any credit all the credits are included in the archive.

[hebrewhammer]

I can get up to 312 with this but as soon as the cold runs out it gets more and more unstable and starts crashing.

[NotShorty]

1. Get big Ziploc bag.
2. Fill Ziploc bag with mineral oil.
3. Submerse Wing into bag with mineral oil.
4. Shake bag and make sure Wing becomes full of oil (i.e. no air)
5. Seal bag really really tight.
6. Take your Wing/bag inside the huge freezer where your uncle stores all the victims of his hunting trips.
7. Overclock Wing/bag to 2.4 GHz
8. Get chicks.

Hey, some of the above happened to these guys :D
http://www.pugetsystems.com/submerged.php

[sino8r]

I just wish T-Mobile made a device that has 400 Mhz cpu. It's sad that we have to overclock our phones to get them to be up to speed (so to speak). Every other carrier has faster pda's, why can't we? I've pissed away 2 batteries in the past year and a half from overclocking and recharging my battery too much. I see that my old MDA is the same as the Wing as far as the processor goes. Maybe the Kaiser is the way to go? But then you have to pay more for it since our cell carrier doesn't offer it....I blame T-Mobile!
And don't get me started on 3G...

[felixm477]

I just wish T-Mobile made a device that has 400 Mhz cpu. It's sad that we have to overclock our phones to get them to be up to speed (so to speak). Every other carrier has faster pda's, why can't we? I've pissed away 2 batteries in the past year and a half from overclocking and recharging my battery too much. I see that my old MDA is the same as the Wing as far as the processor goes. Maybe the Kaiser is the way to go? But then you have to pay more for it since our cell carrier doesn't offer it....I blame T-Mobile!
And don't get me started on 3G...

we cant blaim tmobile only, htc is as much to blaim they are practically budgeting omap processors on all their devices, i remember the good old days when a pda carried a 400mhz xscale and was considered "slow" ahh the good old days when htc wasnt the maker of every pda these carriers put out..

[sino8r]

Yes, I agree. Don't get me wrong, I love T-Mobile! Fewer dropped calls. T-Mobile has good reliable network but their selections of pdas is quite sub-par. Cingular has a few: the Kaiser, the former Hermes? Sprint had the Apache and now the Titan. All of those devices have around 400 Mhz cpu. But there is always a trade off: Battery life. I like HTC's devices. Sure they aren't as good as the older VGA devices, but at least they're a little smaller and lighter... I guess you have to like 'em what other choice do ya have?