Full WM6 or 6.1 on Shift

[hbendavid]

Everyone,

This is one of my first posts. I have been reading the threads on this and cannot make heads or tails of what's going on. I have a Shift for eval purposes and after playing around with it, I think it's a pretty amazing device. HTC has crippled the phone capability in the US versions because they haven't certified it for voice use with the FCC yet. If we can access "file explorer" and some of the other features of WM6, I think a lot can be done to modify it or even to use it for voice. Has anybody made any headway as far as a new ROM that enables all of this functionality?

[greatestkelvin]

nobody has yet developed the crack. The reason is because nobody has the machine yet. Can u comment a bit about the battery life. Is it very disappointing?

[citivolus]

well, now that several people actually have the device in-hand, could somebody please confirm that the ability to expose full WM6 exists as described by Pawel062:

hmm dont really understand the last part about snapvue. the snapvue for athena is snapvue from shift with a small mod to re enable the softkeys and start menu. it will work on shift and also re enable the soft keys and start menu making the shift's wm6 "Full" again

This is the only thing holding me back from ordering one myself!

[Pfeffa-rah]

This is the only thing holding me back from ordering one myself!

Me too!

So Any luck running/installing any other programs on SnapVue?

greetz,

Pfeffa-rah

[rockstar]

what about athena projects rom? that rom is actually from shift right?

[Pawel062]

snapvue is actually a today plugin pretty much. it hides the soft keys and start menu of the original wm6. then from the plugin u have access to messaging, settings, and other basic stuff.

this is ment so u use vista but with only 2hrs max battery on vista many people would like to use the less power hungry wm6. i am working with paul from modaco.com on re enabling the full wm6 by putting a modded dll that will unhide the start menu. after that ull be able to get into file explorer and get a reg editor to re enable the soft keys.

heres the challlenge:
--no usb port like regular htc phones to sync the shift and get the dll on their. only usb host
--no bluetooth in snapvue/wm6 side
--no wifi in snapvue/wm6 side
--no ir in wm6 side
--vista device central doesnt see the wm6 side
--cant save files from email to windows folder
and i cant remember now the other blockades. i will continue working on it though.

[pusler]

Seems like that there is some kind of file transfer, it uses it when you install a certificate in shift control center, but how to crack it open or replicate the process for other files, and then execute the file on snapvue site ....

Think its time for a "taskforce thred" where all info is posted so everyone can work on it.

[Pfeffa-rah]

Sounds a lot more difficult then I first imagined....
(No BT??? OMG! had no idea!)

Sounds like I have to be a bit more patient...
This doesnot sound like it´s gonna be solved in a couple of days....

It´s great that you´re workin on it guys!

greetz,

Pfeffa-rah

[citivolus]

thanks Pawel062, I appreciate your efforts in trying to find a way to get this to work!

[michael85]

Just saw if you edit a contact and then try to attach a picture, you can browse the WM6 folders.
Unfortunately you can only see the pictures, because it's using the picture manager from HTC..

[Wiz]

Silly thought: The miniUSB connector on the dongle formally is only meant to provide additional power to devices that otherwise would not be detected (External Harddrives etc). Would it be a silly thought to assume that the same miniUSB port could somehow allow us to access the SnapVue part? The miniUSB port is located at the back next to the cable leading back to the Shift.

[Pantaloonie]

I hadn't even noticed that.
I just plugged mine in for the first time, the only drivers Vista installs are for a Generic USB Hub and a USB to Ethernet Adaptor. There doesn't seem to be anything else hidden in there.

[rpawly]

If anyone needs anything tested on a shift dont hesitate to ask. Full WM6 functionality would be greatly appreciated and would turn snapview from a gimick into a usefull tool.

[Vs1979]

OK so thanks to Michael who commented on Browsing using Contacts and Pictures, I managed to gain access to the Windows Mobile File Explorer and other software on the device.

First step is to create a new email.
From the menu Insert - Picture.
Using the browse capability go to the Windows folder
Locate Start Menu and press Ctrl C
Browse to Settings
Press Ctrl V
Go to Snapvue homescreen and goto Settings
Start Menu will be visible and you can then access File Explorer etc.

Hope this helps....

[Wiz]

Excellent. I have sent myself the executable of PHM.lu's regedit, saved it into my documents, and am now able to access and edit the registry!

[michael85]

Excellent. I have sent myself the executable of PHM.lu's regedit, saved it into my documents, and am now able to access and edit the registry!
Great! Any possibilty to enable blocked things like office or is it not installed?

[Vs1979]

Also in my limited investigations, I have managed to almost access Windows Vista from the Windows Mobile side.

Using Resco's Explorer with its Network Access functionality, I performed the following.

Under Windows Vista, run the ShagCtrl application.
Install a Certificate, this can be any file you like.
You will see the progress bar appear and drop up and down. If you listen you will hear the sound of a new device being added.
Do NOT click OK when prompted as this will remove the device.
If you load up Device manager, you will see an "NDIS shared Internet connection" (or something similar) appear under network connections.
If you open CMD and run an IPConfig, you will see that this connection has an IP Address of 192.168.160.102 and a gateway and DHCP server of 192.168.160.1.
From the Windows Mobile side, load Resco Explorer and goto Menu - File - Network - Map Drive
In the dialog that appears, you should see Computers near Me (or similar) and under here should be your Vista machine.
If you share a drive, or select the Vista computer and put \c$ on the end, it should try to connect.
This is as far as it gets me so far. Was a late one, but I couldnt get it to actually connect.

So close yet so far.



In Addition, if you try to run a cab file it will error. This is because HTC have remove the Open command file association for Cab files.
Using your favourite WM registry editor goto HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Cabfile\Shell\Open\command\.
Under Default type

wceload.exe "%1" /nodelete

cab files will now install correctly.

Hope this helps...

[sacramoso]

Hi,
I ama anew user of Shift. I am did not understand clearly what did you mean about full WM6 or 6.1. Knows somebody how can we have a full WM6 on it? Pls help me I really need a full WM6 system also.
Thx.

[foxmeister]

Ok, so I've accessed the Start menu using Vs1979s instructions, and I've found that Windows Live messenger is on the device and works ok. I'd like to try and install Opera, but I need a registry editor that isn't a CAB file in order to add back in the registry key to support CAB files - can someone point me in the direction of one?

Thanks,

Dave

[danielherrero]

Also in my limited investigations, I have managed to almost access Windows Vista from the Windows Mobile side.

Using Resco's Explorer with its Network Access functionality, I performed the following.

Under Windows Vista, run the ShagCtrl application.
Install a Certificate, this can be any file you like.
You will see the progress bar appear and drop up and down. If you listen you will hear the sound of a new device being added.
Do NOT click OK when prompted as this will remove the device.
If you load up Device manager, you will see an "NDIS shared Internet connection" (or something similar) appear under network connections.
If you open CMD and run an IPConfig, you will see that this connection has an IP Address of 192.168.160.102 and a gateway and DHCP server of 192.168.160.1.
From the Windows Mobile side, load Resco Explorer and goto Menu - File - Network - Map Drive
In the dialog that appears, you should see Computers near Me (or similar) and under here should be your Vista machine.
If you share a drive, or select the Vista computer and put \c$ on the end, it should try to connect.
This is as far as it gets me so far. Was a late one, but I couldnt get it to actually connect.

So close yet so far.



In Addition, if you try to run a cab file it will error. This is because HTC have remove the Open command file association for Cab files.
Using your favourite WM registry editor goto HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Cabfile\Shell\Open\command\.
Under Default type

wceload.exe "%1" /nodelete

cab files will now install correctly.

Hope this helps...

How did you load Resco Explorer on Snapvue?

[Vs1979]

You can download Schaps Registry Editor from here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=347178

Unpack it on your machine using something like winrar.

Rename the REGIST~1.001 file to RegistryEditor.exe and email that to yourself. It will not need installing as a cab that way.

Hope this helps...

[danielherrero]

OK so thanks to Michael who commented on Browsing using Contacts and Pictures, I managed to gain access to the Windows Mobile File Explorer and other software on the device.

First step is to create a new email.
From the menu Insert - Picture.
Using the browse capability go to the Windows folder
Locate Start Menu and press Ctrl C
Browse to Settings
Press Ctrl V
Go to Snapvue homescreen and goto Settings
Start Menu will be visible and you can then access File Explorer etc.

Hope this helps....
Works¡¡ thanksll.....

[Vs1979]

They should appear under settings. Bottom Right Icon on SnapVue home page.

[danielherrero]

Snapvue executing Bandswitch to keep direct push with 2G and save battery.....

[firedup]

Snapvue executing Bandswitch to keep direct push with 2G and save battery.....


Thats really neat. How did you do it?

[danielherrero]

Thats really neat. How did you do it?
I emailed to myself the cab installer and followed the instructions to execute cab files (changing the registry)

[danielherrero]

Opera mini on snapvue....

[danielherrero]

...and quickmenu brings to us the start button.....

[rpawly]

Works¡¡ thanksll.....

I followed it step by step but says that set cannot copy start menu destination is the same as the source folder

is there 1 step missing?

nevermind its in the same dir i was going insdie of start menu dir

[firedup]

Opera mini on snapvue....

COOL!!!!! So you now have full internet access on the snapvue side? Does it load also if you click on a link enbeded within an email?

[firedup]

I followed it step by step but says that set cannot copy start menu destination is the same as the source folder

is there 1 step missing?

I too did this and then slapped myself. Its not the settings folder within the start menu folder - copy it into the settings folder inside the root (the windows folder) ;)

[citivolus]

AWESOME! Can someone please try installing TCPMP and play some videos? How about Slingplayer?

[foxmeister]

Opera mini on snapvue....

Is that Mini or Opera Mobile? I've been trying to download the trial edition of Opera Mobile all day today, but it doesn't seem to work for me. Opera Mini is Java based, so does SnapVue already have the JVM?

Cheers,

Dave

[rpawly]

you can import contacts now using windows live, enabled with the start menu hack. get your contacts into windows live online, then tell it to sync.

[citivolus]

Opera mini on snapvue....

that's so awesome! Can you please report on the performance of it within Snapvue? Is the information readable or do you need to zoom in and out? How smooth is the scrolling? Are there any physical keys on the Shift that trigger the Soft Keys?

I'm so close now to ordering one given that we can finally install apps within Snapvue.

[rpawly]

how are you guys able to email yourself a *.exe every server ive tried has chopped the attachment out.

[foxmeister]

how are you guys able to email yourself a *.exe every server ive tried has chopped the attachment out.

I renamed the file so that it had no extension, and then just gave it its extension back when I saved it from the email.

Regards,

Dave

[rpawly]

you can import contacts now using windows live, enabled with the start menu hack. get your contacts into windows live online, then tell it to sync.

Better yet i have emailed myself pim.vol from my treo and saved it to personal dir then using file explorer copied it to the my device dir after renaming the default pim.vol to pimold.vol.

All my phones contacts are there after a reboot.

[danielherrero]

COOL!!!!! So you now have full internet access on the snapvue side? Does it load also if you click on a link enbeded within an email?
Yes, using mortscript cab....

[danielherrero]

Is that Mini or Opera Mobile? I've been trying to download the trial edition of Opera Mobile all day today, but it doesn't seem to work for me. Opera Mini is Java based, so does SnapVue already have the JVM?

Cheers,

Dave

Install JBed first (or similar)

[rpawly]

I renamed the file so that it had no extension, and then just gave it its extension back when I saved it from the email.

Regards,

Dave


ohhh you think your soooo smart dont ya :)))) lol im retarded heh nj

[danielherrero]

that's so awesome! Can you please report on the performance of it within Snapvue? Is the information readable or do you need to zoom in and out? How smooth is the scrolling? Are there any physical keys on the Shift that trigger the Soft Keys?

I'm so close now to ordering one given that we can finally install apps within Snapvue.
very, very, very smooth. No softkeys but no problem for me.....:cool:
No zoom needed. In fact there isnt zoom in. Probably because 640x480 doesnt need it......

[danielherrero]

I dont like snapvue......

[rpawly]

I dont like snapvue......

hah can you say tease :)

[rpawly]

i guess ill be the first to mess up :/

someone want to post the location of the remove programs file and how to get there from file manager :(

i tried to load opera mobile *not mini and it gives a error saying the version is outdated get the latest :(

[foxmeister]

Install PIE 6.1 by following the instructions in this thread and it seems to work ok!

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=365164&page=3

The CAB file didn't do anything for me at all, despite the fact that I've "enabled" them in the registry - I do get the CAB icon for it, so I guess that it's a problem with that particular CAB file.

EDIT: I should say that I didn't copy the files into WINDOWS - I just dumped them into "My Documents\Business" and ran them from there.

Regards,

Dave

[rpawly]

Ok word to the wise:

I blew up snapvue................... I tried to change the today screen layout, the ok button wouldnt work, reset device, and now i have 3g ATT and the phone symbols across the top but no interface below that at all. Guess its time to reset snapvue from vista, :) thank lord that option is there.

side note all the icons on the top work, so wm is still working fine just a something to do with the today screen

mmmm more uh-ohs in vista it only allows you to reset snapvue (reboot) not reset back to factory like it does for vista........................................ HELP?!?

[danielherrero]

I dont know where is it. We will have to create the items manually. You know, ctlpnl.exe, mycpl.cpl,0....

[rpawly]

Need some help guys, snapvue is fux0red have reset via vista but still same state.

Ideas?????

[sbueschi]

same here, screwed it up the same way. i opened a .tsk file in the mobile explorer and disabled the snapvue element without enablng the others, now i have a completely empty homescreen...
I emailed myself another .tsk file to reaccess the homescreen settings, but its blocked to open. havent found a way to hardreset snapvue yet.

[rpawly]

I guess ill call UK support in the morning on it. USA support had no idea how to do it, and the guy told me that he has not even seen 1 first hand. They are waiting to get some inhouse in the next couple weeks.

UK support opens at 4am EST USA.

There has to be a way to reset snapvue to factory defaults.

[rpawly]

same here, screwed it up the same way. i opened a .tsk file in the mobile explorer and disabled the snapvue element without enablng the others, now i have a completely empty homescreen...
I emailed myself another .tsk file to reaccess the homescreen settings, but its blocked to open. havent found a way to hardreset snapvue yet.


so you can still get to your email?? within snapvue?? i can see that everythign is running, i see the 3g connection connect when i reset the device as to check email but cant press anything or there is nothing to press outside of the top row of icons.

[danielherrero]

Need some help guys, snapvue is fux0red have reset via vista but still same state.

Ideas?????

You can hard reset using \windows\ClearStorage.exe, if needed....

[rpawly]

You can hard reset using \windows\ClearStorage.exe, if needed....

Daniel,

Is that from the Vista side? I cant see anything in snapview but the carrier line at the very top.

[danielherrero]

Remove a link on \windows\start called block...exe and restart....

[danielherrero]

so you can still get to your email?? within snapvue?? i can see that everythign is running, i see the 3g connection connect when i reset the device as to check email but cant press anything or there is nothing to press outside of the top row of icons.

Before that step I installed quickmenu to ensure start button on top-left. Hard reset since vista doesnt work?

[tito.golder@hotmail.co.uk]

I guess ill call UK support in the morning on it. USA support had no idea how to do it, and the guy told me that he has not even seen 1 first hand. They are waiting to get some inhouse in the next couple weeks.

UK support opens at 4am EST USA.

There has to be a way to reset snapvue to factory defaults.
bad news rpawly.

I've done the same thing - glad i wasn't the only one!!!

UK support said "send the unit back" and we'll sort it out.

[rpawly]

http://www.humpster.net/images/snapvue_fux0r.JPG

I think i follow what your saying but this is what im dealing with

[sbueschi]

yes i can email but only when a new mail arrives and the notificaqtion pops up , then i can open the message application. I dont close it anymore.:-) homescreen is empty. can t access mobile explorer whatsoever.

[rpawly]

bad news rpawly.

I've done the same thing - glad i wasn't the only one!!!

UK support said "send the unit back" and we'll sort it out.

If thats the case ill hold on to it, it will take a long time to ship it to UK then back to me after they do whatever.

Somone here will give instructions or a way to hard reset the snapvue side. Or even the whole box if needed. Would still be way faster than shipping to UK

[boygenius]

I did the same thing...homescreen has carrier, owner information, and HTCHomePlug. Guess I shouldn't have unchecked SnapVue plugin, huh? :)

[rpawly]

yes i can email but only when a new mail arrives and the notificaqtion pops up , then i can open the message application. I dont close it anymore.:-) homescreen is empty. can t access mobile explorer whatsoever.

Daniel,

is theres some way we can send a email to ourself to have it execute mobile explorer with an attachment? or something along those lines? Anyone?

[tito.golder@hotmail.co.uk]

If thats the case ill hold on to it, it will take a long time to ship it to UK then back to me after they do whatever.

Somone here will give instructions or a way to hard reset the snapvue side. Or even the whole box if needed. Would still be way faster than shipping to UK

I don't want to send mine in either. The guy on the UK helpdesk said he will have a play to see if he can find a solution in the next couple of days. They've only had the shift for a week, which is about the same as me. I'll let you know.........

[rpawly]

If i can find the file name for windows explorer on my treo i could email the file to myself and see if i can run it
or maybe someone could email shifthtc@gmail.com their shift explorer executable, im not sure that the name is explorer, but the file manager.

[rpawly]

I did the same thing...homescreen has carrier, owner information, and HTCHomePlug. Guess I shouldn't have unchecked SnapVue plugin, huh? :)

Hey boy,

Did you get yours back? snapvue that is.

You can hard reset using \windows\ClearStorage.exe, if needed....

if we can get mobile explorer running we could execute this file and hard reset, according to daniel.

[tito.golder@hotmail.co.uk]

If i can find the file name for windows explorer on my treo i could email the file to myself and see if i can run it

I tried that. It's fexplore.exe in the windows directory. You can't run .exe files from email attachments.

[rpawly]

mmm you can run a cab file from an attachment, if someone could make a cab that runs fexplorer.exe we would be all set. We just need to copy the fexplorer.exe to a dir and execute the file.

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa924359.aspx.

i know squat about this stuff lol

[rpawly]

I tried that. It's fexplore.exe in the windows directory. You can't run .exe files from email attachments.

can you email it to me shifthtc@gmail.com, trying to make a cab now.

[rpawly]

interesting note, i have used the shift control program 2x in a row now and selected reset windows to factory defaults it reboots the shift but it doesnt reset anything that i can see on the vista side and the snapvue sides doesnt even blink during the process.

[danielherrero]

POulook refuses to execute cabs directly. I am seaching other ways, link, etc....

[rpawly]

POulook refuses to execute cabs directly. I am seaching other ways, link, etc....

thx daniel, i have tested here and my failure is not the same as his, i dont get notifications of new emails to pop up. i can access comm manager (with modem / flight mode) Connection settings, time and next appointment, power screen, backlight screen, and thats it :/ i may have in my ultimate wisdom turned off notifications lol, good lord, im retarded.

[rpawly]

at least we know the shift control center/advanced/set windows to default (ie. EnvCfg.exe) ...... on the vista side DOES NOT WORK AT ALL!!

[boygenius]

yeah I can access notifications and get into POutlook, just not the Today screen settings :)

[tito.golder@hotmail.co.uk]

at least we know the shift control center/advanced/set windows to default (ie. EnvCfg.exe) ...... on the vista side DOES NOT WORK AT ALL!!

not quite - it resets Vista settings to factory default -does nothing to SnapVue.

[rpawly]

actually it doesnt reset vista, lol ive done it 3x now it does it thing reboots and everything is exactly the same on the VISTA side.


anyhow, there must be some key combination in conjunction with power on that will ask if you want the wmobile side to be reset for factory defaults, all htc phones have that no?

[carolusx]

anyone seen if the SD card is accessible from WM6 side?

Cheers

[rpawly]

its not ..... YET :)

[rpawly]

On the phone with austrailia support, he asked me what i did, errr something about attachment and gibberish regarding screen flickering lol, .... before putting me on hold he asked if i did a "hard reset" i said i didnt know how to do that :) they got some lame music on hold .................................................. ........you would think they would have a big list of things to do. 2 different support personnel in 2 different countries now have had me on old hold for about 20 mins today heh,.................. well he says he will email in .... not to long.... hard reset instructions. he said he will get 1 out and email me..not too long.. so we shall wait. Asia opens in a couple hours lol, ill call around the world till i get the correct response.

[foxmeister]

anyone seen if the SD card is accessible from WM6 side?

Cheers

Just tried it here and I've had no joy. To be honest, I rather suspect that the hardware isn't physically connected to the SnapVue/WM6 side of the device and it's most likely that it will never be possible to access it unless Vista is running - which would defeat the object totally IMHO, since I want to run WM6 to save battery life.

On the plus side though, I've just managed to install full Opera Mobile on it and it is working fine - looks like I shall have to buy a licence for it! I also managed to get the Citrix client working fine, which means that the only thing I can't now do on the device that I wanted to do is watch DivX under WM6, since there just isn't enough storage space available to hold any reasonably sized DivX files (without the SD card being available anyway).

Regards,

Dave

[boygenius]

Ok, got snapvue back...all is well. I sort of don't remember the combination of what I pressed, but it involved holding down the right mouse click button, clicking on the 3G connection icon up top, and then pressing settings. That brought me to SnapVue settings instead of Connection Settings for some reason. Went to Start Menu folder, launched File Manager, selected Guava Bubbles which launched the Toay screen settings, and enabled the SnapVue homescreen plugin...let me know if this works for anyone

[danielherrero]

Ok, got snapvue back...all is well. I sort of don't remember the combination of what I pressed, but it involved holding down the right mouse click button, clicking on the 3G connection icon up top, and then pressing settings. That brought me to SnapVue settings instead of Connection Settings for some reason. Went to Start Menu folder, launched File Manager, selected Guava Bubbles which launched the Toay screen settings, and enabled the SnapVue homescreen plugin...let me know if this works for anyone
Nice :)
Other big discover. I was on vista side and often 3G connection was on and off with the tray icon on and with red cross. Then I opened windows mobile cencer (on vista side) and It was connecting¡¡¡¡. Then I opened file explorer and I was seeing the windows mobile side¡¡. Then again, sound similiar to unplug usb device and It dissapèared and 3g connection was on again.
Its nice to know that we can control snap vue side from vista but I want to control it because I cant use 3g from vista (each 10 seconds switch from windows mobile connected to 3g connected)...any idea?. I dont know what I did.....

[danielherrero]

Ok, I ve it¡¡¡
Open on vista side internet sharing (\windows\IntSHRIU.lnk). Status should be connected. Ok, you can surf on vista side. Now go to mobile side and click on disconnect on internet sharing side. Then on vista side you will listen usb tipical sound. Open windows mobile center and should be connecting and finally connected and you can manage windows mobile file system from vista side....Continue testing....

[rpawly]

Ok, got snapvue back...all is well. I sort of don't remember the combination of what I pressed, but it involved holding down the right mouse click button, clicking on the 3G connection icon up top, and then pressing settings. That brought me to SnapVue settings instead of Connection Settings for some reason. Went to Start Menu folder, launched File Manager, selected Guava Bubbles which launched the Toay screen settings, and enabled the SnapVue homescreen plugin...let me know if this works for anyone

pressing right mouse button and pressing 3g or the signal strength button then settings takes me to connections settings.

do you have a sim in it?

[Vs1979]

Sorry danielherrero, been up now 36hrs with work and brain not entirely playing ball. Could you properly step by step your vista/WM access.

Also can you note things like software installed on both sides(if relevant) and SIM in or not etc..
Cheers

Jim

[rpawly]

Ok, I ve it¡¡¡
Open on vista side internet sharing (\windows\IntSHRIU.lnk). Status should be connected. Ok, you can surf on vista side. Now go to mobile side and click on disconnect on internet sharing side. Then on vista side you will listen usb tipical sound. Open windows mobile center and should be connecting and finally connected and you can manage windows mobile file system from vista side....Continue testing....

i get no usb sound nor does windows mobile center connect
when i disconnect the 3g connection from wmobile the network icon disappears from vista and windows mobile device center says not connected forever

[boygenius]

Yeah, I had an AT&T SIM in when I did it...try holding down the right mouse click button for a while (10 seconds), then hold the 3G icon until the status pops up, and click Settings...will try and recreate it on mine and let you know

[danielherrero]

Step by step.
1) On vista side. Its 3g connected. Mobile center opened. IN settings "Allow usb connections" checked and "Allow connections from bluetooth" selected. Second combo set to "automatic". Rest of the checks and checked.
2) Swich to snapvue and execute \windows\IntShrUI.lnk, If status is not connected then press "Connect" left soft key.
3) Ensure vista side continues connected to internet (tray icon connected).
4) On windows mobile side press "disconnect" left soft key button of Internet sharing dialog.
5) Switch to vista side. Windows Mobile center should be connecting.....
And thats all. Now you can manage the windows mobile file system from vista. I ve repeated it several times. This morning I ve upgraded to SP1 but I dont think its related, isnt it?
Dani

Even I ve installed soti pocket contoller and I can control "remotelly" windows mobile side from vista side. These pictures have been take from vista side using pocket controller capture tool, controlling windows mobile side using pocket controller....

[rpawly]

Yeah, I had an AT&T SIM in when I did it...try holding down the right mouse click button for a while (10 seconds), then hold the 3G icon until the status pops up, and click Settings...will try and recreate it on mine and let you know

I tried 10, 15 and 20 seconds no dice.

Were you able to re-create?

[rpawly]

Steps to try and recover SnapVue

Firstly try to Remove the battery and restart the handset.
If this fails please go into Snap View Mode and try to Tap in the bottom right hand corner of the Screen were the Settings button is meant to be located. If the Menu pops up please click on Clear Storage and follow the prompts.
There is a Hard Disk Recovery Method the process is directly out of the manual below.

5.2 Hard Disk Recovery

In case of system failure, Windows Vista® can be recovered to the hard disk by running the hard disk recovery utility. Before starting this utility, make sure to back up important data and files.

To run the hard disk recovery utility

1.
Shut down the Mobile Computer and then power it on again.

2.
At the start of the boot-up process, immediately press F3 to run the hard disk recovery utility.

3.
You will then see the following screen:

Recovery process is starting .....The process will delete all data on the hard drive.Do you want to terminate the process? (Y/N)104 Securing and Managing the Mobile Computer

Press N to continue with the hard disk recovery process. If you press Y, the hard disk recovery utility is terminated.

4.
The next message prompts you whether or not to rebuild the MBR (Master Boot Record) data:

Recovery process is starting .....The process will delete all data on the hard drive.Do you want to terminate the process? (Y/N) NDo you want to rebuild the MBR (Master Boot Record) data? (Y/N)

If, aside from drive C, you have created other partitions in the hard disk and you want to keep them, press N. If you press Y, your partitions will be deleted.

5.
A confirmation message then prompts you whether or not to continue. Press Y to start the hard disk recovery process. If you press N, the hard disk recovery utility is terminated.

6.
After the recovery process is complete, slide and hold the POWER/HOLD switch for about four seconds to shut down the Mobile Computer.

[rpawly]

I am now running the hard disk recovery, I have asked HTC Australia to pursue the button combination hard-reset for the windows mobile side. I told them i knew like 10 people in the same boat as me.

my box is now running recovery and making partitions and running a program called ImageX, that was initiated by the command x:\windows\system32\cmd.exe -startnet.cmd (it took about 15 mins)

Well the command he gave only recovers the Vista partition back to factory defaults. It does nothing to Winmo. I have made him aware of this and pleaded for the hard-reset command.

[rpawly]

1234567890

[rpawly]

Hey boy,

Did you get yours back? snapvue that is.

You can hard reset using \windows\ClearStorage.exe, if needed....

if we can get mobile explorer running we could execute this file and hard reset, according to daniel.

UPDATE:

According to HTC the Reset SnapVUE button in Vista executes teh ClearStorage.exe Command. So this is not the hard reset we were hoping for. Ive hit that option about 20x and still the same results.

[danielherrero]

Its amazing that HTC didnt test how to hard reset windows mobile part:confused:, one of the most repeated action executed by windows mobile uers.. If he cant hard reset his device wihout take it to the shop then we have a big problem problem researching on how to convert snapvue to wm6. And sorry for all the problems rpawly :(

[Vs1979]

rpawly,

I'm not sure if you have tried this, I havent quite read all the posts (sorry) but I had a similar problem when I first got into the file explorer. i.e launched theme changer and disabled SnapVUE.

Whenever I sent emails, they did not appear as notifications.

So i sent a text message to my SIM. Lo and behold a notifcation.

I selected reply and cancelled the message.
This then gave me access to the outlook email tool and the browser functionality that has become our saviour :-)
From here, I copied the whole Windows folder to My Docs. It errored, however, inside was one of the theme files.
I then copied separately the Startup folder to My Docs.
So to save on data usage, I created a new email included the theme file. Cancelled the send and receive, then moved file from drafts to inbox. This let me open the mail and "save as" to which I selected the My Docs\Startup folder.
Then using the browser functionality I copied and pasted the startup folder from My docs to Windows.
Yanked the battery out (hadnt been running Vista at this point :-)) and when powered back on, the startup process launched the theme manager and Today page settings.
Enabled SnapVUE and havent disabled again (although will resolve this once I get quickmenu installed etc)

Hope this helps...

Selected reply but cancelled the message.This left me in the email manager, I then managed to complete

[danielherrero]

rpawly,

I'm not sure if you have tried this, I havent quite read all the posts (sorry) but I had a similar problem when I first got into the file explorer. i.e launched theme changer and disabled SnapVUE.

Whenever I sent emails, they did not appear as notifications.

So i sent a text message to my SIM. Lo and behold a notifcation.

I selected reply and cancelled the message.
This then gave me access to the outlook email tool and the browser functionality that has become our saviour :-)
From here, I copied the whole Windows folder to My Docs. It errored, however, inside was one of the theme files.
I then copied separately the Startup folder to My Docs.
So to save on data usage, I created a new email included the theme file. Cancelled the send and receive, then moved file from drafts to inbox. This let me open the mail and "save as" to which I selected the My Docs\Startup folder.
Then using the browser functionality I copied and pasted the startup folder from My docs to Windows.
Yanked the battery out (hadnt been running Vista at this point :-)) and when powered back on, the startup process launched the theme manager and Today page settings.
Enabled SnapVUE and havent disabled again (although will resolve this once I get quickmenu installed etc)

Hope this helps...

Selected reply but cancelled the message.This left me in the email manager, I then managed to complete

wow, nice solution¡¡. I was trying to copy the tsk to \windows\start to launch theme manager on startup but I didnt know how. Thanks¡¡:)

[Vs1979]

Yep, you can really come up with some blinding ideas when are bricking yourself that you have bricked your lovely new toy :-)

[cmonex]

one thing that would be really useful. i don't have a shift still, so can't try myself, but the question is, how to enter bootloader mode.

you need to find the key combination or if you have debugtools from a beta release shift (i will post that stuff, if it isn't posted yet), you can easily establish a virtual usb connection to vista. you can then use RUU or just plain activesync stuff.
with that, maybe enterbootloader.exe would work.

as for hard reset, the SPL version i got here does not have the hard reset key combination, it is simply a commented out function. but it can of course do a hard reset after it finishes flashing an image or if something has set the clearstorage config flag in nand.

before you ask... yes you can also hard reset from mtty using task 28. but again you must enter bootloader mode for that.

as for usual SPL capabilities... it has lots of MFG commands... hardspl might be based on this SPL if we don't find a better one. nice news: it is very clear it handles SD (yes you can load image from SD too).

BTW about the lack of key combo to hard reset, this SPL is old (not even version 1.0) and i haven't fully disassembled it yet anyway. so let's hope.

but again, if you can enter bootloader mode, and get vista to see the shift from mtty - you're in business. i will upload a mtty for shift vista soon.

[danielherrero]

Hi.. You can see windows mobile side from vista. Even you can stablish a activesync connection from vista side. I explained it a few posts before. I hope It helps....
DAni

[tito.golder@hotmail.co.uk]

rpawly,

I'm not sure if you have tried this, I havent quite read all the posts (sorry) but I had a similar problem when I first got into the file explorer. i.e launched theme changer and disabled SnapVUE.

Whenever I sent emails, they did not appear as notifications.

So i sent a text message to my SIM. Lo and behold a notifcation.

I selected reply and cancelled the message.
This then gave me access to the outlook email tool and the browser functionality that has become our saviour :-)
From here, I copied the whole Windows folder to My Docs. It errored, however, inside was one of the theme files.
I then copied separately the Startup folder to My Docs.
So to save on data usage, I created a new email included the theme file. Cancelled the send and receive, then moved file from drafts to inbox. This let me open the mail and "save as" to which I selected the My Docs\Startup folder.
Then using the browser functionality I copied and pasted the startup folder from My docs to Windows.
Yanked the battery out (hadnt been running Vista at this point :-)) and when powered back on, the startup process launched the theme manager and Today page settings.
Enabled SnapVUE and havent disabled again (although will resolve this once I get quickmenu installed etc)

Hope this helps...

Selected reply but cancelled the message.This left me in the email manager, I then managed to complete


BRILLIANT!!!!!

It didn't quite work for me but this did:
- From messaging (I was lucky, I left the Windows live theme add-in there), I did the copy/paste of Windows\Startup directory to My Docs, using New Mail Message, Insert Picture, ctrl-c, ctrl-v.
- I then emailed myself a 3rd party file explorer program (.exe file) from Vista
- In snapvue saved this to My Docs\Startup
- In snapvue, create a new email and copy the My Docs\Startup back to Windows
- In Vista, Reset SnapVue
- One Snapvue has restarted, the file explorer is displayed on the screen. Navigate to the Windows directory and run any .THM file
- Put Snapvue back and press ok
- Run clear storage - obviously this is optional but, for me given the amount of rubbish I've tried to save to get SnapVue back, it seemed like a good idea.

Obviously, you are going to need a SIM card with data plan to do this.

[danielherrero]

I know how to modify sounds/notifications. (Why HTC set "no sound" for incoming mail???")
Just rename attached file to sounds.lnk (upload tool didnt let me upload lnk file), copy it to snapvue part (or email to you) and click on it. Now you can change the events....

I ve added too interesting links to other applets. For example Today theme changer, remove programs, etc

[cmonex]

Hi.. You can see windows mobile side from vista. Even you can stablish a activesync connection from vista side. I explained it a few posts before. I hope It helps....
DAni

i've read all posts in this thread, but saw your solution doesn't work for some people, the usbtool in debugtools is explicitly intended for this purpose so maybe it'll work for everyone.

btw, if the shift has two keys to emulate softkey presses in WM (i don't remember right now, i only saw the shift for 5 mins so far :( ), then try pressing both while booting WM, that's the hard reset key combo for shift SPLs that have it compiled in - the one i was checking out in disassembler doesn't.

[danielherrero]

Yes, it isnt a easy way and when I use it to copy files I ve to reset Vista side if I want go gain 3g connections again....:o

[Pantaloonie]

Yes, it isnt a easy way and when I use it to copy files I ve to reset Vista side if I want go gain 3g connections again....:o

Even so, you've done some excellent work, and you've given a lot of people confidence that it can be done. Thankyou!

[rpawly]

BRILLIANT!!!!!

It didn't quite work for me but this did:
- From messaging (I was lucky, I left the Windows live theme add-in there), I did the copy/paste of Windows\Startup directory to My Docs, using New Mail Message, Insert Picture, ctrl-c, ctrl-v.
- I then emailed myself a 3rd party file explorer program (.exe file) from Vista
- In snapvue saved this to My Docs\Startup
- In snapvue, create a new email and copy the My Docs\Startup back to Windows
- In Vista, Reset SnapVue
- One Snapvue has restarted, the file explorer is displayed on the screen. Navigate to the Windows directory and run any .THM file
- Put Snapvue back and press ok
- Run clear storage - obviously this is optional but, for me given the amount of rubbish I've tried to save to get SnapVue back, it seemed like a good idea.

Obviously, you are going to need a SIM card with data plan to do this.

Ok this is going to work,

I tried to extract resco explorer and use it but it says its unsigned so i need a explorer program, mmmm a little help?

[rpawly]

FYI:

I also put resco's cab file in the startup dir before copying it back and it installed on snapvue's restart. Although it didnt run the program after installing :(

[danielherrero]

Try to send you a link to to Pocket Explorer....

[rpawly]

Try to send you a link to to Pocket Explorer....

daniel i got it just didnt know the name of any ;)

[sbueschi]

VS 1979, a medal for you, it worked perfectly, Thanks!
Cheers, S

[danielherrero]

daniel i got it just didnt know the name of any ;)
:) I mean (sorry for my english). Instead of sending yourself a exe file, simply send you a link (remove .txt))to Windows File explorer and put in on \windows\startup...

[rpawly]

Try to send you a link to to Pocket Explorer....

i dled pexplorerarm.exe
renamed in dox to pexplorerarm
sent email to snapvue
sent sms to snapvue
saved as pexplorerarm.exe
did all the copying
restarted snapvue from vista

says pexplorerarm.exe is not a valid program

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Vs1979]

Rpawly,
Follow steps in
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2008609&postcount=21

to get a registry editor

Then the last bit of

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2008163&postcount=17

Then you can install any cabs you want. Including Resco.

[rpawly]

Rpawly,
Follow steps in
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2008609&postcount=21

to get a registry editor

Then the last bit of

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2008163&postcount=17

Then you can install any cabs you want. Including Resco.

Installing the cab was not the issue, getting resco to run after the install was :/ it installed fine but didnt "auto load" itself after installing

[rpawly]

Ok guys back from Brickdom!!!

used the following steps. It was a combination of techniques :)

Originally Posted by tito.golder@hotmail.co.uk
BRILLIANT!!!!!

It didn't quite work for me but this did:
- From messaging (I was lucky, I left the Windows live theme add-in there), I did the copy/paste of Windows\Startup directory to My Docs, using New Mail Message, Insert Picture, ctrl-c, ctrl-v.
- I then emailed myself File Explorer.lnk from Vista
- In snapvue saved this to My Docs\Startup
- In snapvue, create a new email and copy the My Docs\Startup back to Windows
- In Vista, Reset SnapVue
- One Snapvue has restarted, the file explorer is displayed on the screen. Navigate to the Windows directory and run any .THM file
- Put Snapvue back and press ok
- Run clear storage - obviously this is optional but, for me given the amount of rubbish I've tried to save to get SnapVue back, it seemed like a good idea.

Obviously, you are going to need a SIM card with data plan to do this.



Thks to Everyone that helped out with this. Sooooo Much

[tito.golder@hotmail.co.uk]

Anyone figured out how to stop the snapvue dlls running on startup? They put the black bars back on the screen and disable the start menu.

[rpawly]

Anyone figured out how to stop the snapvue dlls running on startup? They put the black bars back on the screen and disable the start menu.

Daniel already has a different today screen running.

[tito.golder@hotmail.co.uk]

Daniel already has a different today screen running.

Yes. But if you reboot, the today screen reverts to the snapvue theme and the start menu and softkeys are hidden.

Not a big issue - it just looks a bit weird.

:confused:

[danielherrero]

Snapvue is deployed as a Windows Mobile Service.
1) Copy TaskMgr
2) Open Services tab.
3) Change it to disabled.
4) And reset device....
Thats all.....:D

[rpawly]

Yes. But if you reboot, the today screen reverts to the snapvue theme and the start menu and softkeys are hidden.

Not a big issue - it just looks a bit weird.

:confused:

Oh i had thought he already had it loading that way, i guess i assumed

[rpawly]

Snapvue is deployed as a Windows Mobile Service.
1) Copy TaskMgr
2) Open Services tab.
3) Change it to disabled.
4) And reset device....
Thats all.....:D

ask and ye shall recieve :)

[rpawly]

tito or daniel you guys want to put that into instruction form, i know daniel is soft on english, although not bad at all :)

[danielherrero]

It isnt too complex.
1) Install quickmenu to ensure you can use Start button.
2) Ensure and reensure you can use use it.
3) Send to you today.lnk posted before to open Theme manager. Uncheck snapvue theme and snapvue item.
4) Restart device (QuickMenu has a handy option to reboot device).
5) Copy TaskMgr.exe (link is in this forum...dont remember where) using email system.
6) WARNING(DONT DO THIS STEP. ONLY TO TEST PRETTY START BUTTON).Run it, go to "Services" tab. Select "SnapVue(SVT0:0)" item and then select "Disable". Restart device......
Its not a good idea to stop this sevice because you can lose 3g contectivity from vista and maybe other needed thigs. You will have to live with a black "Start Button"....

pd. Its a good idea to put a link to quickmenu in \windows\startup to ensure its execution...

[rpawly]

daniel after installing quickmenu should we see the start button up there? or just by running the executable from the file manager?

[Pantaloonie]

Quickmenu is excellent, has an option to start with Windows, which is ticked by default.
It gives you access to everything.
I have no visible Start button, but it is there, just click on it.

[rpawly]

got it ur right not there but is clickable :))

[danielherrero]

daniel after installing quickmenu should we see the start button up there? or just by running the executable from the file manager?
Once you install it(in my installation I had to copy one exe and two dll files to \windows directory. Maybe you have a new installer. I only had a zip with those 3 files) you ve to execute once. Then It will be loaded every time the system boots. But you wont see a "Start Button". Simply tap on the place where It should be (hidden by Mobile operator name) and It will appear.... Last picture I uploaded with pretty start button was taken with the SnapVUE service stopped but I think Its a vital service so Its better to let it run...

[rpawly]

It isnt too complex.
1) Install quickmenu to ensure you can use Start button.
2) Ensure and reensure you can use use it.
3) Send to you today.lnk posted before to open Theme manager. Uncheck snapvue theme and snapvue item.
4) Restart device (QuickMenu has a handy option to reboot device).
5) Copy TaskMgr.exe (link is in this forum...dont remember where) using email system.
6) WARNING(DONT DO THIS STEP. ONLY TO TEST PRETTY START BUTTON).Run it, go to "Services" tab. Select "SnapVue(SVT0:0)" item and then select "Disable". Restart device......
Its not a good idea to stop this sevice because you can lose 3g contectivity from vista and maybe other needed thigs. You will have to live with a black "Start Button"....

pd. Its a good idea to put a link to quickmenu in \windows\startup to ensure its execution...

On step 4 and 5 restart before copy?

and what do you mean copy TaskMge.exe copy it where??

and are you saying if you dont have the start button visable, then you dont need the taskmgr part? (is that just to run the services)

lol i havent hit ok on the today settings yet hahahah im a puss

.........

ok i have rebooted quickmenu is running and i have a green background no snapvue, i did not mess with the taskmgr

[rpawly]

have we found a way to backup our windows mobile ???

possible to vista, although i dont know how we would get it back on if it corrupts.

[danielherrero]

Forget all related with taskmgr. Its only needed if you want to stop snapvue service for a while to see the real start button. But I dont recommend it...

[danielherrero]

have we found a way to backup our windows mobile ???

possible to vista, although i dont know how we would get it back on if it corrupts.

thats the problem. You can create a backup using many programs and store it on vista side but you need access to sd card to have enought space to save it on snapvue side again and begin a restore process....

[rpawly]

1. so how do we add, tasks, email, sms and other things to the today screen it only has date snapvue and windows live stuff
2. is there a way to get rid of the black bars?
3. and now we should be able to use it like a regular wm6 device no? except calling, sd card, wifi, gps.
4. can we put any themes we want on the device? (if so how?) normal process?

[Pantaloonie]

I'm much happier with the mobile side of the device now.
A start button for full access, and Opera mobile installed and running for low powered browsing.

[Vs1979]

BTW, just tested with the disabled SVT service, and you can still get full access in regards to File System of Windows Mobile. But as mentioned before, this may have further repercussions such as 3G etc. Not sure if it is a necessary step, havent got chance to try reverting, but after SVT is disabled and you have your nice original start menu back, but do not have the standard "Control Panel" when in Start\Settings then move the Settings folder out from Windows and into my docs or something. Then original Control Panel is visible.

As I said, it may already be visible through Start, but I have played so much with this now, I can't remember what I've done. Me thinks I'll be trying a ClearStorage and start afresh....

BTW from Control Panel\Bluetooth it says that there is not BT hardware installed. Even when enabled in Vista side, so we may have a physical disconnection there. But I'm stating this Matter of Factly. Its just initial investigation....

[danielherrero]

use today.lnk posted before to change today theme to any other, like windows mobile standard. then go to items tab and select what you want, calendar, mails or any other plugin you ve installed. In my case pocket weather and newsbreak....

[michael85]

....

BTW from Control Panel\Bluetooth it says that there is not BT hardware installed. Even when enabled in Vista side, so we may have a physical disconnection there. But I'm stating this Matter of Factly. Its just initial investigation....

Maybe it's missing the drivers for bluetooth (and WiFi offcourse)

[parkertseng]

why is is the memory on snapvue is smaller than expected?
is it should be like 128/256?

[michael85]

why is is the memory on snapvue is smaller than expected?
is it should be like 128/256?
I think because they thought it was enough for snapvue.
But we use it for more then that :D
I hope we can do something with an SD card

[rpawly]

BTW, just tested with the disabled SVT service, and you can still get full access in regards to File System of Windows Mobile. But as mentioned before, this may have further repercussions such as 3G etc. Not sure if it is a necessary step, havent got chance to try reverting, but after SVT is disabled and you have your nice original start menu back, but do not have the standard "Control Panel" when in Start\Settings then move the Settings folder out from Windows and into my docs or something. Then original Control Panel is visible.

As I said, it may already be visible through Start, but I have played so much with this now, I can't remember what I've done. Me thinks I'll be trying a ClearStorage and start afresh....

BTW from Control Panel\Bluetooth it says that there is not BT hardware installed. Even when enabled in Vista side, so we may have a physical disconnection there. But I'm stating this Matter of Factly. Its just initial investigation....

i hit the clearstorage from the vista side (at least thats what htc says the restart snapvue command does) and it does nothing but a reboot.

[rpawly]

use today.lnk posted before to change today theme to any other, like windows mobile standard. then go to items tab and select what you want, calendar, mails or any other plugin you ve installed. In my case pocket weather and newsbreak....

i hear you but in the list of items for the today screen there are only the following

Date
SnapVue
Windows Live Search
Windows Live

There is no

Inbox
Messaging
Tasks
Calendar
Owner Info

As there is in a normal build of WM6

I understand the 3rd party side of it, wm6 will add those to the list but the default stuff is not there

[rpawly]

Quickmenu,

in the settings you can "Show Q" on taskbar
i have bumped it over to 305 position it doesnt seem to interfere with any other icon

You now have a start button :)

[Pantaloonie]

Re the hard reset, there is software available such as Pocket Tools which lets you hard reset via an onscreen icon.
http://classic.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=13381&associateid=17



oops I see this does not support WM5 and above, but there must be something similar that does

[rpawly]

Re the hard reset, there is software available such as Pocket Tools which lets you hard reset via an onscreen icon.
http://classic.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=13381&associateid=17

hmm has anyone tried this? how would it know what registers to reset and where to locate the original firmware?

Im up to level 4 support with my trouble ticket and none of them know a way to hard reset the snapvue side. They have sent mail to Taiwan for the developers to answer.

[rpawly]

Re the hard reset, there is software available such as Pocket Tools which lets you hard reset via an onscreen icon.
http://classic.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=13381&associateid=17



oops I see this does not support WM5 and above, but there must be something similar that does


And the Show Q setting of 0 puts it in the right place for me ;)

but you cant see it no? its blacked out

[Pantaloonie]

Yes, you're right, it vanished. Does it stay put in the 305 position?

Edit - no, it vanishes again... I think I can live without it, I know the Start button is there.

Another Edit - re the software hard reset, found this on another forum -
"This code dosent work for
Windows Mobile 5 devices,as SetCleanRebootFlag() is not supported...:-(
Check if some OEM specific api is available for your device."

[rpawly]

Yes, you're right, it vanished. Does it stay put in the 305 position?

Edit - no, it vanishes again... I think I can live without it, I know the Start button is there.

mine stays at 305 nothing i have checked off disturbs it there......so far anyway :)
it rests right next to the email notification

[Vs1979]

rpawly.

Actually running the clearstorage from the Windows Mobile side did cause a full reset for me. It totally reset the device.

The reset device icon from Vista is just a reboot. Without this the only "SnapVUE native" way to reset WM was to pull the battery out.

That was my understanding. As I said, a clearstorage, did help me return to factory defaults for SnapVue first time.

[danielherrero]

i hear you but in the list of items for the today screen there are only the following

Date
SnapVue
Windows Live Search
Windows Live

There is no

Inbox
Messaging
Tasks
Calendar
Owner Info

As there is in a normal build of WM6

I understand the 3rd party side of it, wm6 will add those to the list but the default stuff is not there

ops I forgot to tell you how. You ve to ad some lines in the registry. hklm/software/microsoft/today. They are exactly the same as in a pda. If you dont own a pda I will post the lines....

[rpawly]

Quote:
Originally Posted by danielherrero
use today.lnk posted before to change today theme to any other, like windows mobile standard. then go to items tab and select what you want, calendar, mails or any other plugin you ve installed. In my case pocket weather and newsbreak....

i hear you but in the list of items for the today screen there are only the following

Date
SnapVue
Windows Live Search
Windows Live

There is no

Inbox
Messaging
Tasks
Calendar
Owner Info

As there is in a normal build of WM6

I understand the 3rd party side of it, wm6 will add those to the list but the default stuff is not there

Does anyone have a answer to this?

[rpawly]

Just got the running low on storage message ugh :( we need sd support!!! ..............mmmmm Please :)


how nice is it on my phone to get a attachment and save it to the sd card ahhhhhhhhhhhh unrestricted WM6 :)

[rpawly]

ops I forgot to tell you how. You ve to ad some lines in the registry. hklm/software/microsoft/today. They are exactly the same as in a pda. If you dont own a pda I will post the lines....

do we have to type all that in by hand for each of the keys?

cant we make a reg file mmmmm i forget the name that put thats into the registry?

Wow i did inbox, grrrrrrrrrrrrrr what a pain lol

[cmonex]

i hit the clearstorage from the vista side (at least thats what htc says the restart snapvue command does) and it does nothing but a reboot.

did anyone read my posts about entering bootloader and hard reset methods? obviously i still can't try myself :(

[cmonex]

Even so, you've done some excellent work, and you've given a lot of people confidence that it can be done. Thankyou!

oh, i wasn't saying it wasn't excellent work!

anyway i'm uploading the stuff in this evening, if anyone is interested

[michael85]

did anyone read my posts about entering bootloader and hard reset methods? obviously i still can't try myself :(
I will try all kind of keys when I got home :)

[rpawly]

did anyone read my posts about entering bootloader and hard reset methods? obviously i still can't try myself :(

yes i read it, ive heard of a bootloader :/ but thats the extent of my knowledge, ill be glad to try anything people come up with.

and the hard reset methods, like i said earlier im up to level 4 support and they have a email off to the developers in taiwan asking for hardware hard-reset

[danielherrero]

do we have to type all that in by hand for each of the keys?

cant we make a reg file mmmmm i forget the name that put thats into the registry?

Wow i did inbox, grrrrrrrrrrrrrr what a pain lol

yep, we should create a cab file with the registry import......:rolleyes:

[Pantaloonie]

rpawly.

Actually running the clearstorage from the Windows Mobile side did cause a full reset for me. It totally reset the device.

The reset device icon from Vista is just a reboot. Without this the only "SnapVUE native" way to reset WM was to pull the battery out.

That was my understanding. As I said, a clearstorage, did help me return to factory defaults for SnapVue first time.

Is this not correct then? Clearstorage.exe = hard reset?

[rpawly]

Is this not correct then? Clearstorage.exe = hard reset?

i havent run it from within winmo

[cmonex]

yes i read it, ive heard of a bootloader :/ but thats the extent of my knowledge, ill be glad to try anything people come up with.

and the hard reset methods, like i said earlier im up to level 4 support and they have a email off to the developers in taiwan asking for hardware hard-reset


who cares about the incompetent support... this is not the first time they have no idea about anything.

i posted one sure way of hard resetting (task 28), and if the shift does indeed have two keys for emulating softkeys in WM, then those keys are the key combo (to be pressed during boot) to hard reset unless you have an SPL (SPL = bootloader) version that has this function commented out.




Is this not correct then? Clearstorage.exe = hard reset?


yes, clearstorage is equivalent to a hard reset. however we have to find a way to hard reset even without a bootable WM OS. that's either a direct key combination to hard reset or another to enter bootloader and then telling it to hard reset.

also, i wouldn't be surprised if vista had a way to do it too.

[rpawly]

there also is no file association with pictures

[danielherrero]

I would try it but then I would have to start from scratch again with the process :o

[Pantaloonie]

i posted one sure way of hard resetting (task 28), and if the shift does indeed have two keys for emulating softkeys in WM, then those keys are the key combo (to be pressed during boot) to hard reset unless you have an SPL (SPL = bootloader) version that has this function commented out.



There are no buttons relating to the 2 soft keys unfortunately.

[Pantaloonie]

there also is no file association with pictures

I'm just installing Resco Picture viewer now.
Resco radio works perfectly, sounds good on the Shift speakers.

[danielherrero]

My next goal is RealVGA snapvue, like we did on Htc Universal and Athena.....:D

[rpawly]

My next goal is RealVGA snapvue, like we did on Htc Universal and Athena.....:D

daniel,

are you referring to no black bars?

also were you able to somehow import the default wm6 reg entries or did you have to type them in 1 by 1 with all the values

[danielherrero]

I was refering to real vga concept, you know, no double buffering system. Its an old project on universal and athena projects..
I am going to export registry entries to enable today items.....

[rpawly]

I was refering to real vga concept, you know, no double buffering system. Its an old project on universal and athena projects..
I am going to export registry entries to enable today items.....

that real vga i read a bit about it looks awesome.

also that registry export would be greatly appreciated.

[rpawly]

Guys thanks for pulling me from the abyss.........

And here is the desktop as is now......

[rpawly]

Daniel,

i just read back and too my suprise your using the whole screen!!!! youve been holding out on us......errrr.......maybe just me lol, give up the secrets :)

gracias

[danielherrero]

hehe no no. If you read again you will known I stopped snapvue service to gain start button. If you set other theme you will gain up/bottom bars but they will disappear again after soft reset.....

[Pantaloonie]

Vtap works well, if you want some quick video playing action on the Snapvue side.

[cmonex]

There are no buttons relating to the 2 soft keys unfortunately.

that's bad news, interesting how one of the SPLs looks for that then... maybe some development version
(definitely not a final one from what i can tell.)

[danielherrero]

Uncompress zip file and copy today.reg to shift. Then import it using resco registry and you will have access in today screen to.
1) owner info
2)messaging
3)tasks
4)Calendar
5)device lock
6)windows live
7)windows live search
8)pocket msn

[rpawly]

that's bad news, interesting how one of the SPLs looks for that then... maybe some development version
(definitely not a final one from what i can tell.)

I just psoke with HTC USA again. They had escalated my ticket (hard reset of snapview) to the escalation team, and now the escalation team has esclated it to taiwan engineers. They say i/we should know something tomorrow.

[rpawly]

somehow i can not open quickmenu's options any more???? the dll file is in there can someone verify if its just me

[danielherrero]

no problems here. Be carefully with the ram. If level is low then the program may behave incorrectly......

[rpawly]

no problems here. Be carefully with the ram. If level is low then the program may behave incorrectly......

can you tell me where the files are suppose to reside?

i have qmenubtn and qumenu cfg in /my doc/personal
i have quickmenu and qmenubtn in /my doc/business


........
i added qmenucfg to /my doc/business and it works now

[rpawly]

1234567890

[danielherrero]

can you tell me where the files are suppose to reside?

i have qmenubtn and qumenu cfg in /my doc/personal
i have quickmenu and qmenubtn in /my doc/business


........
i added qmenucfg to /my doc/business and it works now
I ve copied the three files on \windows directory......

[citivolus]

that's bad news, interesting how one of the SPLs looks for that then... maybe some development version
(definitely not a final one from what i can tell.)

dumb guess but how about the left and right mouse buttons? i'd be very surprised if HTC didn't emulate soft-button functionality when the possibility exists.

[Pantaloonie]

dumb guess but how about the left and right mouse buttons? i'd be very surprised if HTC didn't emulate soft-button functionality when the possibility exists.

I've tried that but can't get any response from them.

[rpawly]

dumb guess but how about the left and right mouse buttons? i'd be very surprised if HTC didn't emulate soft-button functionality when the possibility exists.

the OK / ALT / GR button acts like a hardware ok button
the SYM / ALT button pulls up the Symbol Pad
the Alphabet keys (in file explorer) sort to file names
The arrow keys scroll up and down


the buttons on the screen, make no sound so i assume they dont have a function in winmo (i have button press sounds turned on) left right mouse, wifi, screen res


thats all i could identify as working keys

[rpawly]

Step by step.
1) On vista side. Its 3g connected. Mobile center opened. IN settings "Allow usb connections" checked and "Allow connections from bluetooth" selected. Second combo set to "automatic". Rest of the checks and checked.
2) Swich to snapvue and execute \windows\IntShrUI.lnk, If status is not connected then press "Connect" left soft key.
3) Ensure vista side continues connected to internet (tray icon connected).
4) On windows mobile side press "disconnect" left soft key button of Internet sharing dialog.
5) Switch to vista side. Windows Mobile center should be connecting.....
And thats all. Now you can manage the windows mobile file system from vista. I ve repeated it several times. This morning I ve upgraded to SP1 but I dont think its related, isnt it?
Dani

Even I ve installed soti pocket contoller and I can control "remotelly" windows mobile side from vista side. These pictures have been take from vista side using pocket controller capture tool, controlling windows mobile side using pocket controller....

Daniel and all,

I have followed your steps and was able to connect to the winmo side of the device, i can see Pocket PC in explorer and manipulate files.
And it does shut down the 3g to vista side.

Confirmed

Interesting note: While connected via activesync, i enabled wifi and it lost its connect to the winmo side. It looks like when you enable wifi on vista it disables access to the 3g modem.

I was able to install soti pocket controller as daniel was.

[Settembrini]

Hi rpawly, Daniel and all the rest,

fascinated by what you are doing I read your posts, most of the time I haven't got a clue what you are talking about.
I am just some user who would really like to use WM completely, at least as far as is possible.
I am still waiting for the gadget, but I am already frightened that because of my lack of expertise I will snap Snapvue.

So this is what I would really like. Do you or anyone who understands what is going on write some sort of step by step manual which might enable us to change Snapvue. Us = people with just some basic knowledge. I own an HTC Vario II with WM 6.

That would be really really nice.

Settembrini

[rpawly]

ok daniel and others i need something new and shiny to do :)

anything to test?
anything anyone wants to know?

[Pantaloonie]

And it does shut down the 3g to vista side.

Confirmed


So you can reverse the steps to return 3G use to Vista?

[sbueschi]

Thanks to Daniel and other guys, i managed to edit the registry as described, execute now CAB Files without problems and also installed Quickmenu. Furthermore SPB Pocket plus, which has it all. And Documents to go, which enables now to read office files and PDFs. And I of course donated to the Shift project.

Thanks to all you guys. Cheers, S

[danielherrero]

Nice. Now I am not alone in the dark :D
In my tests many times I ve to reset both parts(snapvue and vista) to get 3g working properly on vista side again after activesync was connected:confused:(specially after resuming).So it would be nice to find a procedure to avoid it.,,,,

[citivolus]

ok daniel and others i need something new and shiny to do :)

anything to test?
anything anyone wants to know?

can someone test playing media files using TCPMP? also does anyone own a Slingbox that could test Slingplayer?

[Pantaloonie]

can someone test playing media files using TCPMP? also does anyone own a Slingbox that could test Slingplayer?

I haven't bothered, as there is no room for media on the device.
We need SD card access!

[danielherrero]

There are some winmo services with curious name (got with TaskMgr program)
1)Bluetooth audio gateway
2)Sync bluetooth server
3)Bluetooth HID Loader.

Too many bluetooth services running in a non bluetooth windows mobile, isnt it? Maybe there is a way to access BT hardware from winmo side? or maybe BT hardware is really on winmo side (but hidden) and shared with vista side?:confused:

[citivolus]

I haven't bothered, as there is no room for media on the device.
We need SD card access!
true, but at the rate you guys are going, it is appears fairly likely that we will have SD card access in the near future! cmonex confirmed it with a test ROM, so that confirms the wiring is there. better to know that video performance is worthwhile pursuing!

[killer_t]

It isnt too complex.
1) Install quickmenu to ensure you can use Start button.
2) Ensure and reensure you can use use it.
3) Send to you today.lnk posted before to open Theme manager. Uncheck snapvue theme and snapvue item.
4) Restart device (QuickMenu has a handy option to reboot device).
5) Copy TaskMgr.exe (link is in this forum...dont remember where) using email system.
6) WARNING(DONT DO THIS STEP. ONLY TO TEST PRETTY START BUTTON).Run it, go to "Services" tab. Select "SnapVue(SVT0:0)" item and then select "Disable". Restart device......
Its not a good idea to stop this sevice because you can lose 3g contectivity from vista and maybe other needed thigs. You will have to live with a black "Start Button"....

pd. Its a good idea to put a link to quickmenu in \windows\startup to ensure its execution...

Daniel, ivn't loose 3g connectivity... why?

[parkertseng]

I did the following process and gain the access to file system of WM side.

First step is to create a new email.
From the menu Insert - Picture.
Using the browse capability go to the Windows folder
Locate Start Menu and press Ctrl C
Browse to Settings
Press Ctrl V
Go to Snapvue homescreen and goto Settings
Start Menu will be visible and you can then access File Explorer etc.

I can also connect to WM file system through WM device manager on Vista side.
There are few questions need to be answered.

1. How to install the *.cab file on WM side? I always get an error saying about the certificate.
2. How to install quickmenu on WM side?
3. If I uncheck the Snapvue from the items to be shown on today, what will happen?

Thanks in advance!

[rpawly]

Daniel,

Any progress with RealVGA ?

[x5-rwk]

can someone test playing media files using TCPMP? also does anyone own a Slingbox that could test Slingplayer?

i agree. slingplayer is a must. i have it on vista but the battery life is bad.

[rpawly]

Hi rpawly, Daniel and all the rest,

fascinated by what you are doing I read your posts, most of the time I haven't got a clue what you are talking about.
I am just some user who would really like to use WM completely, at least as far as is possible.
I am still waiting for the gadget, but I am already frightened that because of my lack of expertise I will snap Snapvue.

So this is what I would really like. Do you or anyone who understands what is going on write some sort of step by step manual which might enable us to change Snapvue. Us = people with just some basic knowledge. I own an HTC Vario II with WM 6.

That would be really really nice.

Settembrini

If you have no confidence in your abilities i would suggest waiting until someone releases a ROM file that you can just do it all in 1 step. Daniel and the brains of the group are doing the base looking around now.

Stay Tuned

[cmonex]

I just psoke with HTC USA again. They had escalated my ticket (hard reset of snapview) to the escalation team, and now the escalation team has esclated it to taiwan engineers. They say i/we should know something tomorrow.


excellent, let us know.

[danielherrero]

Daniel,

Any progress with RealVGA ?

Working on It. Installers for HTC Athena refuses to install....

[damiantmc]

Hey guys, fascinated by whats going on here, I really wanted a shift when they were first rumored but then the snapvue thing came along and I changed my mind, great that your working on it, I may become a shift believer again lol. anyway, what I was thinking (and it may be completly stupid or wrong but i'm trying lol) I have a TYTN 2 which is supposed to have the same basic underlying chipset for the winmo side, so couldn't we borrow some of the drivers, commands and registry settings from that to try and gain additional functionality, may require some tinkering but might work. if you need anything from my device let me know.

Damian

[danielherrero]

Hi.
I am getting problems. I have the tipical problem. You know, you cant launch startu button, etc. I ve emailed me and copied on \windows\startup a .tsk, a link to explorer, rescoexplorer.exe and then reset but It seems they arent executed. Any idea?

[danielherrero]

In spanish the startup directory is \windows\Inicio but It isnt being executed. I ve created a small C program that prints a messagebox in "Hello world", I ve copied to \windows\inicio and It isnt shown. So, or the directory is incorrect or Windows is refusing to execute the contents.....

[danielherrero]

A few days ago I removed some elements of \windows\startup directory. Please, could someone zip them and post it? maybe this the problem. Thanks

[thaihugo]

[QUOTE=cmonex]i've read all posts in this thread, but saw your solution doesn't work for some people, the usbtool in debugtools is explicitly intended for this purpose so maybe it'll work for everyone.

QUOTE]

Could you pleased post the debug tools? I would like to try some com port switching and gps finding. Thanks!

[danielherrero]

I even have removed \windows\inicio and system boots. Maybe is booting from other directory....

[danielherrero]

Please can someone the content of \windows\startp directory and the files?:(

[michael85]

Please can someone the content of \windows\startp directory and the files?:(
I'm at my work now. If no one has posted this tonight, I will do that for you.:)
Arround 7 PM (we're in the same timezone ;))

[killer_t]

Please can someone the content of \windows\startp directory and the files?:(



Here!!!!!
Inside the zip file there's a italian folder.. Rename to spanish!!!:D

[danielherrero]

wow thanks. One question. Are you sure It is being executed?, can you put a link to any program and reset to see if It is bein executed?
Many thank

[killer_t]

wow thanks. One question. Are you sure It is being executed?, can you put a link to any program and reset to see if It is bein executed?
Many thank


Blocktitlebar.exe and poutlook.exe are executed..
But i don't see PKG...
Mah..

[danielherrero]

I ve called HTC and they tell I should return the device. Ok, today I will do it if I dont find other solution.....

[killer_t]

I ve called HTC and they tell I should return the device. Ok, today I will do it if I dont find other solution.....

how have you doing?

[michael85]

I ve called HTC and they tell I should return the device. Ok, today I will do it if I dont find other solution.....
What is the problem you have why you want to return it?

[danielherrero]

\windows\startup (inicio in spanish) isnt being executed so I cant take control. And of course, imposible to hard reset, etc, etc....

[killer_t]

\windows\startup (inicio in spanish) isnt being executed so I cant take control. And of course, imposible to hard reset, etc, etc....

You have move or erase it..
You try to send sms to shift?

[michael85]

\windows\startup (inicio in spanish) isnt being executed so I cant take control. And of course, imposible to hard reset, etc, etc....
Can you browse? Can you recieve an email?

[danielherrero]

Yes I can. But the content of windows\inicio isnt being executed. Maybe because I installed RealVGA.cab....:confused:

[rpawly]

Daniel,

I just woke up, can I do anything for you besides installing RealVGA.cab lol :)

[danielherrero]

You have move or erase it..
You try to send sms to shift?

I can browse. That isnt the problem. Windows refuses to execute \Windows\inicio (startup) and Its there, beleive.....

[rpawly]

I can definitely verify that the shift executes /windows/startup, in my whole process i was adding things to it and they were popping up on startup. It is suppose to use that dir 100%

[killer_t]

Yes I can. But the content of windows\inicio isnt being executed. Maybe because I installed RealVGA.cab....:confused:

Send me the *.cab you have installed...

The startup folder dosn't start....

Try to send you (excuseme) file.reg, and see if you can open it..

[rpawly]

Let me know what you need ill go to drop my son to school and be home about 20 mins, dont know what i can do but of course ill help, maybe you just need a hug :/

[danielherrero]

I ve installed it. All was fine. Screen was nice. But QuickMenu and other startup programs, like bandswitch, wasnt executed. From then I ve tried to place things on \Windows\Inicio (\Windows\Startup in www) but windows doesnt want to execute their contents....

[michael85]

I ve installed it. All was fine. Screen was nice. But QuickMenu and other startup programs, like bandswitch, wasnt executed. From then I ve tried to place things on \Windows\Inicio (\Windows\Startup in www) but windows doesnt want to execute their contents....
Do you have regeditor on it?
Maybe you can force there to execute something?
Did you try to delete the exe of realvga?

Does anybody know if the installed programs exe is working of even on the device? Then Danielherrero can try to delete the program.

[danielherrero]

Hi. RealVGA isnt a program. Simply makes changes on the registry:(

[michael85]

Hi. RealVGA isnt a program. Simply makes changes on the registry:(
Do you want a backup of my registery?
Maybe you can import that.:)

[danielherrero]

Hehe thanks :) but I ve tried to do it and doesnt work. I think only way is hard reset....

[michael85]

Hehe thanks :) but I ve tried to do it and doesnt work. I think only way is hard reset....
Isn't there a way to startup a program from the register?
Then you can start the cleanstorage program.

[killer_t]

Hi. RealVGA isnt a program. Simply makes changes on the registry:(

No, there is a realvga.exe, if you can to remove.....

[michael85]

No, there is a realvga.exe, if you can to remove.....
Do you know where it is located?

[rpawly]

Daniel,

Im expecting a call back from HTC today with word from the Taiwan engineers. Dont be hasty and return just yet.

[michael85]

Was the original language Spanish of did you switch from english to Spanish?

EDIT:
It's professional, not a smartphone so you can't switch...
Which realvga did you try?
I saw this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=327830
there is stated that you can only use it on english OS versions..

[danielherrero]

Anyway I removed all the files and directories created by the cab...

[Vs1979]

Hey Daniel,

Did you perhaps try creating a new folder with startup contents and name this \windows\startup. In case something has altered the registry to look for the name \windows\startup.

A real stab in the dark, sorry :-)

[rpawly]

Anyway I removed all the files and directories created by the cab...

and you get the same result?

[rpawly]

Was the original language Spanish of did you switch from english to Spanish?

EDIT:
It's professional, not a smartphone so you can't switch...
Which realvga did you try?
I saw this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=327830
there is stated that you can only use it on english OS versions..

if thats true then it would surely be looking for /windows/startup not the spanish version.

[michael85]

This is installed with the realvga_11.cab
You can see there is nothing in the registery.
Please search your device where the things are locatied.
It's makeing a realvga.exe Maybe in a folder "ce2" or something?
And of course a shortcut. Maybe it made an enlish folder "startup" or something?

<parm name="NumDirs" value="2" />

<parm name="NumFiles" value="1" />

<parm name="NumRegKeys" value="0" />

<parm name="NumRegVals" value="0" />

<parm name="NumShortcuts" value="1" />

EDIT:

See this:

<characteristic type="MakeDir" />

- (http://forum.xda-developers.com/#) <characteristic type="RealVGA.lnk" translation="install">
- (http://forum.xda-developers.com/#) <characteristic type="Shortcut">
<parm name="Source" value="%CE2%\RealVGA.exe" translation="install" />

[killer_t]

Anyway I removed all the files and directories created by the cab...

Only hard format are permitted with ClearStorage.exe
if you want i can send to you this file...

[danielherrero]

Thanks....but what can I do with that file if I cant execute nothing....:confused:

[Vs1979]

That doesnt mean that on its first attempted launch, that Realvga.exe didnt create (or modify) registry settings. If you binary edit the realvga.exe, you may see some reference to registry details, I noted quickly that there are CLSID entries in there which are from the HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT registry structure.

But still blindly stabbing my stylus in the dark, sorry.....