HTC Shift Unboxing

[127.0.0.1]

Getting closer...

http://revver.com/video/711405/htc-shift-unboxing/

[koala996]

Hey .. thank you for the links !!

I totally love this UMPC.. this is the best device ever released yet ... I have to wait about 6months to have it .. but I want it as soon as possible.

It will be so nice using a big WinMobile screen (better than the small 320x240 on a 2"8 screen). Vista is a so nice OS... I will have my 2 favourites OS on the same device.. I can't believe it !

HTC has put everything needed in the device. The review is nice.. but they should have introduced origami 2.0 ... not just showing the start animation.

If someone want to offer one ... I take it !

[victoradjei]

Unless they have sorted out the 2 hour battery life, it will remain a gimmick and no buyer will be satisfied with the purchase:(

[mlalahoi]

I was really into the shift until I spent about three hours with a Fujitsu Lifebook P1620 today. 9" touch-screen convertible, 1.2ghz dual core, 100mb hard drive, vista or tablet xp, PC card slot (hello cheap wireless 3g card), VGA out, fingerprint reader, 3 USB ports, bluetooth, wlan, touchscreen works great for writing/browsing (it is passive digitizer though), you can touch type on it with some practice, and over 5 hour battery life :eek: My 2008 budget comes in next week and I am absolutely buying one.
Making calls with shift seems like it will require a hack, no simple soft-reset for the crippled wm6, embarrasing battery life, 5 minute cold-boot time for vista, etc. Why pay nearly $2k for a gimmicky device that in the end doesn't really do what a phone or a laptop can do. We all have a phone anyway...who wants to carry that monster to the pub just so you don't miss a phone call??

[danielherrero]

Well. I got mine 24 hours ago and I like it. Keyboard is nice. I cand write using my 10 fingers after some training. Battery life isnt bad and if I need more live I ve a power bank that gives me 7 hours more. wifi, hsdpa and bt works very well. It moves Vista nicely. I ve installed my development tools (Visual Studio 2008, eclipse and jboss) and work nice. VGA output letme use hi res at home with a lcd screen. I wasnt very convinced when I bought it but by now I am very satisfied :p

[koala996]

I was really into the shift until I spent about three hours with a Fujitsu Lifebook P1620 today. 9" touch-screen convertible, 1.2ghz dual core, 100mb hard drive, vista or tablet xp, PC card slot (hello cheap wireless 3g card), VGA out, fingerprint reader, 3 USB ports, bluetooth, wlan, touchscreen works great for writing/browsing (it is passive digitizer though), you can touch type on it with some practice, and over 5 hour battery life :eek: My 2008 budget comes in next week and I am absolutely buying one.
Making calls with shift seems like it will require a hack, no simple soft-reset for the crippled wm6, embarrasing battery life, 5 minute cold-boot time for vista, etc. Why pay nearly $2k for a gimmicky device that in the end doesn't really do what a phone or a laptop can do. We all have a phone anyway...who wants to carry that monster to the pub just so you don't miss a phone call??


well .. you are wrong on many things ! ouch ....

1°) making calls is still not sure that it will require a hack ... you can see french sites telling that it is a COMPLETE PHONE... so I think that it could depends on the country you buy it.... we'll see !
2°) for WM6 there are ability to soft-reset it .... because it will be A REAL WM6.. even if they talk about "Snap-Vue" it IS WM6.... what they put upon will never be enough to change it in another OS... it is running WM6 !
3°) embrassaing battery life ? if you are using WinMobile .. you will have about 1 week of battery life.... it's enough ! Vista is so greedy that you should never think about using it without a power supply.
4°) 5 minutes cold-boot time ... oh my god ! .. you are completely wrong !!!!!! it is faster than that .. it is about a minute ... not more than 2 minutes ! And with Vista SP1 it is the same time for hibernate boot ! (hibernate was not good with preview Shifts... because of Vista.. but Vista SP1 is a little better). On the video : vista starts at 6:36 and is running at 7:40 ... 1:04 for resuming from hibernate !
5°) The device is more about 1200$ .. than 2k$ ..


If you don't know anything about the real shift spec.... I understand why unuseful 9" laptop seems interesting for you !

[koala996]

Well. I got mine 24 hours ago and I like it. Keyboard is nice. I cand write using my 10 fingers after some training. Battery life isnt bad and if I need more live I ve a power bank that gives me 7 hours more. wifi, hsdpa and bt works very well. It moves Vista nicely. I ve installed my development tools (Visual Studio 2008, eclipse and jboss) and work nice. VGA output letme use hi res at home with a lcd screen. I wasnt very convinced when I bought it but by now I am very satisfied :p

nice !! have you tried installing winmobile application sending a cab by mail ? just to be sure that we will be able to install everything we need ;).
is there any way to shutdown both (winmobile and vista) ? Something about voice calls?

[virain]

My main concern is if I'll be able to run full version of WM and access files on hard drive or SD card and work with them. If yes, I'm in! Anyone has been able to hack it so far?

[danielherrero]

No luck sending the cab because you can save it to disk (outlook doesnt want to execute it because It says is unsafe). But after saving it I dont know how to execute it....
I havent tried phone calls. well, I dont know how. Vista can be turned off, of course. But you can turn off windows mobile. Even I dont know how to reset it (except remove one second the battery). But I am sure we will solve all this issues.
Dani

[thaihugo]

once saved to disk, press CTRL while tap and holding on the clock. Select run
type FEXPLORE or FEXPLORER (don't remember)
Launch your cab.

[koala996]

once saved to disk, press CTRL while tap and holding on the clock. Select run
type FEXPLORE or FEXPLORER (don't remember)
Launch your cab.

CTRL while tap and holding on the clock ?? Seems to be a pretty good hack !

danielherrero .. plz confirm that it works ;)

[mlalahoi]

1. YOu prove my point. phone functions are NOT widely available, if at all. I am glad you red something on a frech website, but I have actually held and used one of these and it did NOT make phone calls out of the box. Yeah, we can hack to do that if bought in a non-voice approved area, and get no support/possibly void the warranty. nice.

2. show me a soft reset hole, cause the one I played with didn't have one. THere is another thread in this forum from a guy who has to take the battery out of the shift he actually has in his hands to soft-reset. Your syllogistic argument is silly.

3. battery life of one week when using the phone...which I already carry one of, if you want to use the pc part of it the battery life is miserable so what's the point of having it there when it must be tethered to a wall wort at all times.

4. Watch the unboxing vids, this thing takes ages to cold boot vista, which i what i was talking about, not the hibernate resume you are quoting. also, the one I used for several hours took about 4.5 minutes to load vista. Desktop PC's fully specced have trouble loading vista in one minute my freind. IF that has been solved on newer releases I would like to hear someone who is holding one right now say that. Thanks for the tip to "never use vista without a power supply" now please continue to prove my point about the pc function of this thing being a joke by telling me how the shift can't be downgraded to xp....
5. The cheapest I have ever seen advertised for the shift is on the edge of $1700 US. Where are you seeing them for $1200?? I have seen them for 1200 EUROS, which is about $1680 US. Note that euros and us dollars are worth a different amount.

I'm not trying to bash the shift. Nor do I want some kind of flame war with you. I am reporting my experiences on actually having used both of these devices. I am sure that for some people the shift fills the little niche that they need. My point was that for me, and I would venture that for a lot of business users, the shift has a lot of shortcomings and is not the right device.
Your post makes me pretty sure that you have never ever actually used either of these devices, so you shouldn't tell people that they don't know anything about something you are even less informed about. If someone who owns one of these and is using it now wants take issues with my statements, I am very ready to listen. Perhaps the models they have are better than the one I used, if so I'd love to hear about it...from people who have one in thier hands!

[danielherrero]

CTRL while tap and holding on the clock ?? Seems to be a pretty good hack !

danielherrero .. plz confirm that it works ;)

No luck....:confused:

[thaihugo]

It was working on a previous ROM. I am talking about the CTRL key from the physical keyboard. Try from the mail app for example. If it's not the clock, it's the battery icon.

[thaihugo]

As a side note, did you get the unit as a reviewer, or did you actually bought it from somewhere where anybody else can?

[koala996]

1. YOu prove my point. phone functions are NOT widely available, if at all. I am glad you red something on a frech website, but I have actually held and used one of these and it did NOT make phone calls out of the box. Yeah, we can hack to do that if bought in a non-voice approved area, and get no support/possibly void the warranty. nice.

2. show me a soft reset hole, cause the one I played with didn't have one. THere is another thread in this forum from a guy who has to take the battery out of the shift he actually has in his hands to soft-reset. Your syllogistic argument is silly.

3. battery life of one week when using the phone...which I already carry one of, if you want to use the pc part of it the battery life is miserable so what's the point of having it there when it must be tethered to a wall wort at all times.

4. Watch the unboxing vids, this thing takes ages to cold boot vista, which i what i was talking about, not the hibernate resume you are quoting. also, the one I used for several hours took about 4.5 minutes to load vista. Desktop PC's fully specced have trouble loading vista in one minute my freind. IF that has been solved on newer releases I would like to hear someone who is holding one right now say that. Thanks for the tip to "never use vista without a power supply" now please continue to prove my point about the pc function of this thing being a joke by telling me how the shift can't be downgraded to xp....
5. The cheapest I have ever seen advertised for the shift is on the edge of $1700 US. Where are you seeing them for $1200?? I have seen them for 1200 EUROS, which is about $1680 US. Note that euros and us dollars are worth a different amount.

I'm not trying to bash the shift. Nor do I want some kind of flame war with you. I am reporting my experiences on actually having used both of these devices. I am sure that for some people the shift fills the little niche that they need. My point was that for me, and I would venture that for a lot of business users, the shift has a lot of shortcomings and is not the right device.
Your post makes me pretty sure that you have never ever actually used either of these devices, so you shouldn't tell people that they don't know anything about something you are even less informed about. If someone who owns one of these and is using it now wants take issues with my statements, I am very ready to listen. Perhaps the models they have are better than the one I used, if so I'd love to hear about it...from people who have one in thier hands!

I have used the shift for about half an hour on a demo day (Microsoft Unified Communication launch). But I have not bought it yet.

1. yeah .. but I hope for a hack (without a warranty void !)
2. it seems that there are no soft-reset hole..but I'm sure that we will be able to soft reset with a program without having to have full WM6
3. battery life on my laptop is half an hour.. so the shift is more than what I'm used to ... maybe this is why I'm not worried about. and if you have read my scenario (few threads before) you would see that the Shift is not on a battery life that much in Vista mode.
4. I have watch the unboxed videos and read many reviews about the shift.. and what they said was always "resuming from hibernate take longer time than a cold boot" and that a cold boot take about a minute and a half to 2 minutes but these times were from the "test prototype" of the shift. And if resuming from hibernate take only a minute... you just have to use it and you should not care about the cold boot time ! (I'm on vista on my desktop and always use hibernation mode ... and it comes back in less than 30 seconds .. and from sleep in less than 2 seconds... but it's a faster computer than the shift).
5. I have read a lot about $1200 announced before the official released ... but maybe the price is a higher .. the iphone is 1000€ and I think that it is less than $1000 ... so don't believe that the price in € is significant to the price in $ .. it used to be the same price ($1000 --> 1000€ .. even if $1000 is only 680€) but I can't say if there is shops where the shift will be under $1400.

I don't want to enter in a war with you too .. I'm just sharing my opinion that's all. I have read a lot on the shift for more than a year (like so many people) and I'm not a current owner of a shift.

[koala996]

No luck....:confused:

:( .. I hope we will find out to do it ... I'm sure there is a way ! because they need to remove snapvue for the support !

[danielherrero]

I think the clue is to know how the updates will be applied. Probably It will be done using vista side. So I think there will be a way from this side to access flash chip WM6. This weekend I couldnt research about it but tomorrow I will do it because I want to install bandswitch to use gprs with direct push instead of umts to increase battery live. (althought I ve to say battery live is good so far..
Dani

ps. I bought it on shopping center in Madrid, Spain. They have it since last monday.

[thaihugo]

There is a way from vista, because the manual state you can install a certificate for the WM side from the vista control pannel. I think this is just a com port to redirect on the WM part for getting AS, but if the trick I gave you doesn't work, it's just a question of time before getting access to the OS.

Maybe you could try on you PDA to check what I'm talking about. Presse the center of your D pad instead of CTRL in this case.

[wu5262]

I think the clue is to know how the updates will be applied. Probably It will be done using vista side. So I think there will be a way from this side to access flash chip WM6. This weekend I couldnt research about it but tomorrow I will do it because I want to install bandswitch to use gprs with direct push instead of umts to increase battery live. (althought I ve to say battery live is good so far..
Dani

ps. I bought it on shopping center in Madrid, Spain. They have it since last monday.

Hi danielherrero, do you have any 16 GB SDHC Memeory card? if so can you let us know whether it works fine with the Shift, thanks !

[danielherrero]

Ops. by now I ve put a 2 gb sd card:o

[koala996]

Ops. by now I ve put a 2 gb sd card:o

don't worry .. it's not a shame not having more than 2Go .. ^^
do you have the ORIGAMI 2.0 experience ?? what do you think about it ?

[doni]

I've got mine on pre-order with Clove, which so far states that it might get shipped tomorrow (though wouldn't hold my breath just yet), and maybe a week in shipping time. I've got a 16GB SDHC and will see if it works.

On a side note, I'm picking up the Shift anyday over the Fujitsy P1620, which btw is a lot more expensive by the time you load it with some optional stuff and the 5hrs use is based on the extended battery. I'm positive we would get extended batteries for the Shift too at some point.

Now, I got nothing against it, but it is a bit out of context comparing it to the Shift. If you want to compare something, the U1010 is more like it (which btw would have similar battery life with the regular bat. pkg.) and it is expected to be in the 1300-1400 USD range, but still a few months away from availability.

Right now, on Clove listed price is about 1380USD for the Shift (of course unless you are buying within the UK and you need to pay the VAT), and they are not the cheapest dealer out there. Unless you are looking at places like Expansys (mobile planet in the US), which has always been way overpriced except on rare ocassion (welcome to the real world, don't shop on Expansys). I'd expect the price to get to under 1,300 at some point, not in the too far future. I think HTC has actually priced it agressively, if it wasn't for the limits of the WM interface. Maybe it was done because of FCC regulations that would've required more time and headaches (actually it probably can't be approved for the NA market if had voice capability with the qualcomm issues, or maybe I'm wrong, not sure) or licencing fees with Microsoft.

Gimmick or not, you gotta keep in mind that the Shift actually has a second processor, and hopefully its full potential could be realised eventually, with GPS etc (since the qualcomm chipset def has GPS).

I'm not 100% happy with it, obviously I'd rather have a full fledged WM with no limitations, that I can use for navigation and voice; I'd want a SSD drive instead, and a better battery; And I would be willing to pay the higher price for that if it was available as an option.

[mlalahoi]

You are right that the fujitsu is not cheap, over $2k for the decked out one with ssd drive. Also, point taken about context. I am glad to see that the price for the shift is coming down. I may have been a but giddy after half a day using what is, for me personally anyway, a really awesome piece of kit that does exactly what i want it to(the p1620). I won't clutter the thread with comparisons anymore, sorry!
And hey, it's impossible to be 100% happy with a device, if I am 80% satisfied with a device I feel like i ahve "won." Everything is going to have it's shortcomings, especially when you go with the ultra portable stuff. I can say that the touch functions of the HTC screen were a lot more finger-friendly that the lifebook, which pretty much requires the stylus for anything.

[carolusx]

Found this info on umpcportal.com

"1) make sure you are on today screen
2)hold the action button for some time(D-pad's middle button)
3)with the action button still holding, tap-n-hold on the clock, which resides on the topbar
3)release the action button
4)you'll see a pop-up. Select 'run' from there
5)type in fexplore. This ll open the file explorer of the windows mobile"

Try it and tell us if it work!

[carolusx]

Go to: http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2534&forum=14

And yuoll get some great answers like 8GB card works and so on!

Cheers
CarolusX

[danielherrero]

Found this info on umpcportal.com

"1) make sure you are on today screen
2)hold the action button for some time(D-pad's middle button)
3)with the action button still holding, tap-n-hold on the clock, which resides on the topbar
3)release the action button
4)you'll see a pop-up. Select 'run' from there
5)type in fexplore. This ll open the file explorer of the windows mobile"

Try it and tell us if it work!
Hi. The problem is shift hasnt "action button" and clock isnt visible on today screen. I ve to open battery dialog and then appears the clock on the bar. I ve tried with ctrl, shift, enter and Ok button but still no luck....:o

[pof]

ps. I bought it on shopping center in Madrid, Spain. They have it since last monday.

Which one? I am trying to find one in Barcelona and it's quite difficult. Movistar shops still don't have it, and "El corte Inglés" has it but for 1400 eur, which I think is too expensive (expansys price is about 1200 eur including VAT).

[danielherrero]

El corte ingles but tomorrow is available in different shops like antzup, with "real" shop in Madrid and on-line version....1150€ (vat included)

[pof]

El corte ingles but tomorrow is available in different shops like antzup, with "real" shop in Madrid and on-line version....1150€ (vat included)

Thanks, i'll be in madrid next week, so I'll go to antzup and buy it there :)

[danielherrero]

Thanks, i'll be in madrid next week, so I'll go to antzup and buy it there :)
Nice pof. We will be waiting for your invaluable help to make full WM6.
pd: Anzup can send you the device to Barcelona for free in 24 hours...