High Battery Drain - I think I have got it

[LGB]

I think it is the phone in the Kaiser that drains the battery.

NOTE that this is NOT about using the built in funtions too much, please read the conditions of this test.

First of all, I am not a typical Kaiser user - the sim card I am using at the moment doesn't support 3G or any fancy functions - just domestic calls and sms!

I think it has been some weeks where I had this problem, but I am not really sure. But here is what I did to test, read it closely:

Kaiser is started from cold last evening, no apps started, nothing running. It has been charged to 100%, and before going to bed, I disable the only thing I have running - the phone! No bluetooth, wireless, nothing at all. I press the power button briefly to put the phone to sleep, right after pulling the charger plug.

All night, the phone is sitting in flight mode, without charger, and in the morning I wake it up and check the battery. 100% it says. Then I turn the phone on (3G is selected off, I have the modified version of comm manager where 3G is included). I check the battery again, 100%, and then mobile signal strength, there are 4 bars, plenty of signal. Then I briefly press the power button to turn off the display.

Time is 0800, phone is on, display off, and I leave it on the table in the same place where the mobile signal was 4 bars. I remove the battery cover, just to be able to monitor the battery temperature during this test. Room temperature is regulated to 23 deg C, and the phone is not exposed to sunlight.

This is what happened:

Phone on glass table, no bag, battery cover removed, 23 deg constant temp, no sunlight

0800: 100% Phone is turned on via Comm Manager, 3G deactivated
0815: 96% slightly warm battery, can just barely feel the battery is a little warmer around the middle, but it is definately warm from battery.
0930: 83% battery still warm
1007: 78% warm battery
1105: 68% still warm - checking the phone signal, still 4 bars
1312: Green light flashes like every other second, but I cannot turn the phone on. Not even sliding the keyboard open wakes it up. I remove the battery and then put it back in place, and turn on the phone.
1313: The phone has booted, battery is now 16%! That is why it did not want to wake up again ...

I connect the charger, checking SMS and phone list. No calls or messages.

So, from 0800 to 1313, just over 5 hours, the phone went from 100% to 16%, with NO USE AT ALL except the phone in standby. Compare that to being all night in the same state, EXCEPT with the phone off.

If it is not something with the phone itself, it MUST be something related pretty close to it.

Some users only have "normal" battery problems because they use the phone with too many functions. As this is obviously NOT the problem here, spare these comments (your phone is OK then). This s... is serious!

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I urge others who have battery frain problems on the Kaiser to do the same test. Most should be able to do this on - say - a saturday evening (the following day should be one where you don't need your phone too much, and where you don't expect people to call or text you too much).

BATTERY DRAIN TEST:

1. Make sure phone is charged to 100%
2. Reboot and don't start any apps
3. Check no apps running, kill any that started by themselves
4. Turn off everything in comm manager (flight mode, basically)
5. Power off the display, and leave overnight, CHARGER DISCONNECTED.
6. When you get up in the morning, turn it on (should still be in standby with display off)
7. Check battery level and note the time and the phone signal strenght
8. Turn on the phone in the comm manager, nothing else
9. Press the power button briefly to bring turn the screen off
10. Every hour or so, note turn the display on and note the battery level and confirm that the phone signal is still OK

Mine lasted just about 5 hours like this, how long does YOUR Kaiser last???

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[LGB]

Mods, I think this one is important enough for a sticky, please.

Until the problem is resolved, at least.

Thank you

[BusterTyTN]

Mods, I think this one is important enough for a sticky, please.

Until the problem is resolved, at least.

Thank you
LGB,

from your description I do not see why you are pointing at the phone, of all things. Maybe you just installed an application which keeps your phone from getting some rest in standby.

During my tests as shown in the thread "HTC models with GPS? Excessive standby battery drain CONFIRMED - FAQ added" I used two different OS (WM6 and WM6.1). In both cases I did not install anything except for a GPS tool (tried HTC's GPSTool, Chartcross GPSTest and OziExplorer, to exclude potential application specific trouble) which was sufficient to reproduce the problem. I do not know whether you went that far, but I am afraid you have to follow the same procedure. Before doing so you can try to locate an unusual process running in the background, using TaskManager (one which can show you the processes as well). There may be an "Anti social application", as someone else has put it.

If you find out the exact circumstances, I will be happy to add this to the first page of the abovementioned sticky thread. To me this all seems too much related to each other. It is well possible that the HTC has several sensible spots concerning standby current consumption, and of course I would like to see the complete picture. Best result being one common reason... lets try to nail down this sucker.

BusterTyTN

[jym04]

More than often I go to university and leave Kaiser only with the phone function (GSM, no 3G), no apps running, except for HTC Home Plugin and Pocket Contacts. If nothing happens, like receiving/sending SMS or phone calls, after about 7 hours its at 92/94%. And my carrier doesn't have a good signal there.

[marcelvanblankers]

Mods, I think this one is important enough for a sticky, please.

Until the problem is resolved, at least.

Thank you

ever thought it might be your radio version?

[speedme]

Just a thought guys, but isn't it better to also state some detailed information like :

- ROM version
- Radio version
- SN of battery (there could be a bad batch of batteries around)
- Name of provider

Here's my details, but I haven't got this problem (I can easily run 1 week with battery with quite a lot of Wifi use) :

- ROM : Dutty 6.1 WWE
- Radio : 1.64.06.04
- SN of battery : DCOX17BM003309
- Name of Provider Orange NL

[thedaniel]

Why don`t you just try a full backup, format yer phone and do the test again?

Doing such test with alot installed is no point.

For my part: My Kaiser is brand new and I am impressed by the batterylife. None of my kaiser-equipped friends have this problem eighter.

Start your phone from scrach. I`m sure the problem will dissappear.
If not it should be under warranty and you should get a replacement.

No phones gets drained by itself while in standby, and if it does its something wrong with it.

[firefly77]

Just a thought guys, but isn't it better to also state some detailed information like :

- ROM version
- Radio version
- SN of battery (there could be a bad batch of batteries around)
- Name of provider

Here's my details, but I haven't got this problem (I can easily run 1 week with battery with quite a lot of Wifi use) :

- ROM : Dutty 6.1 WWE
- Radio : 1.64.06.04
- SN of battery : DCOX17BM003309
- Name of Provider Orange NL

1 WEEK! hmmmm something smells fishy..............

[diigibio]

I have been experiencing a lot more battery drain since using radio version: 1.64.08.21 from 1.27.12.11. But my previous radio version does not work for Sleuth's WM6.1 V3.0. Do you think having a bigger pool size can contribute to power drain also?

[smads]

I think it is the phone in the Kaiser that drains the battery.


Phone on glass table, no bag, battery cover removed, 23 deg constant temp, no sunlight

0800: 100% Phone is turned on via Comm Manager, 3G deactivated
0815: 96% slightly warm battery, can just barely feel the battery is a little warmer around the middle, but it is definately warm from battery.
0930: 83% battery still warm
1007: 78% warm battery
1105: 68% still warm - checking the phone signal, still 4 bars
1312: Green light flashes like every other second, but I cannot turn the phone on. Not even sliding the keyboard open wakes it up. I remove the battery and then put it back in place, and turn on the phone.
1313: The phone has booted, battery is now 16%! That is why it did not want to wake up again ...

I connect the charger, checking SMS and phone list. No calls or messages.

So, from 0800 to 1313, just over 5 hours, the phone went from 100% to 16%, with NO USE AT ALL except the phone in standby. Compare that to being all night in the same state, EXCEPT with the phone off.


Install Batterystatus and tell us what mA power drain your getting.
Battery drain of this magnitude could be a short circuit, causing the heat. Get a replacement if under warranty.
rgds
stuart

[quaint]

I have my Tytn II for 2 months now, but I'm still waiting on my service provider switch, and as it is locked I can't use phone function yet.

BUT, even without phone and with normal daily usage (some gaming, some WiFi, calendar, etc.) I have to recharge every other day. Furthermore I'm experiencing massive battery drain even at standby mode (guess it runs out 20% overnight, doing absolutely nothing!). I always check my task manager and clear any running programs.. I run Batti, which is the only program that's always running I can think of..

[LGB]

More than often I go to university and leave Kaiser only with the phone function (GSM, no 3G), no apps running, except for HTC Home Plugin and Pocket Contacts. If nothing happens, like receiving/sending SMS or phone calls, after about 7 hours its at 92/94%. And my carrier doesn't have a good signal there.

This is how it USED to be for me ... I don't know when, but at a certain stage, that CHANGED. Now, I can get 5 hours only, like that. When I check TASK MANAGER, all I have running are these two apps:

SMS / MMS
Comm Manager

ROM 1.56.403.4 09/19/07
Radio version: 1.27.12.11
Protocol version: 22.45.88.07H

Advanced configuration tool v 1.1 by Schap's:

OS: Microsoft Windows CE 5.2.1620 (Info says build 18125.0.4.2)

.NET Compact Framework: 2.0.7045.0

Glyph cache: 8192

File system cache: Auto

File system filter cache: 0

Phone: Everything is ticked, meaning Show video dialer, SIM contacts, Band page, PIN2 page, Time Zones page, TTY page, ENABLE DTMF support, EDGE Icon, HSDPA icon, Disable SMS sent notification

GPRS/3G disconnect and timer ticked, connection always on is NOT ticked, Disconnect GPRS/3G after 600 seconds (but I haven't used either for a long time now)

Com manager has button 10 as 3G so I can disconnect it


SYSTEM INFO says:

Windows Mobile 6.0 (WinCE 5.02)
Program memory 38% (38.07/101.4MB)
Storage memory 65% (87.65/135.5MB)
Memory card 89% (5.06/5.7GB)


I also have the tweaks2k2 net installed, could I have changed something by mistake?

But WHY is it that when the phone is off, I get normal battery life, with phone ON it goes down fast, even with no use?

I did a new test this morning, this is what I did:

Phone charged 100% in the evening. Flight mode all night with screen off. In the morning it was 99%, and this is what I did:

0648:99% GPS on (GPSTuner, very basic GPS program, just to keep it alive), lowest setting on the display. GPS came on pretty quick, and I kept poking the display now and then to keep it out of standby
0728:66% (GPS and display still on, behind shielded windoes so DOP only between 5 and 25, GPS working to try to hold position!)
0827:29%
0910:10% 3xbeep, battery warning

So, with the display on lowest setting but constantly on and GPS running also, I got 2:22 from 99% to 10%, no other items enabled (no phone, bluetooth, wireless etc)



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[jnc8651]

i have had my tilt since late dec? its been dropped lots of times ( yah i know its bad) i have upgraded to the new att fw( just realy havent looked @ new roms)
i did flash a new splash screen i got a good umts signel where i live. if i charge my phone adn then go home and go to sleep with maybe a few apps running when i wake up @ night( i work nights) my phone normally is around 85 to 90% on the batt. my batt sn is 5fga279v007664
r=1.27.14.09
g= 22.45.8807h
d=1.62.00.00

idk about yall i do lots of txtin adn web access adn i normally go to sleep around 12ish pm then wake up around 7 or 8 pm and my phone normally will last 2ish days

[Bratag]

Discovered today that even though comm manager said 3g off if I went into connections and opened up hsdpa it was on. Was wondering why my battery was draining so damn fast. Not quite at your speed but quickly.

If I was you I would grab abcpowermeter and also SKTOOLS and use them, they will show drain and the FULL list of procs running and which ones are chewing up the cpu.

[jnc8651]

hmm lemme try seeing if it lasts abit longer when its on gsm only..im going to have to wait till tue because i work in a call center and the gsm interference irritates the crap outta me and my customers.

[austinsnyc]

ok this post seems to be nothing but n00bs posting which is not a bad thing! thank you for coming out and posting! The radio is a HUGE factor!! probably the biggest one of them all, the new Niki radios seem to be doing the best as far as battery goes these days! Also make sure if your going to be doing battery tests its after a HARD RESET! no apps installed period, I know batti is a big drain on the battery even though its a small app lol.... My kaiser will last about 35 hours with MY use now everyones use is different so there is no perfect judge of battery use, even the battery test apps have a % that it is off by and veryone uses there phone different, But if your only getting 5-6 hours something is wrong or you ARE a heavy user sorry to say! remember the radio is the key to battery use here folks and also the apps you have installed!
ALSO- HSDPA is a battery drain as is UTMS to is you can go EDGE only and you will be ahocked at how much longer it lasts :)

[udgn]

ok this post seems to be nothing but n00bs posting which is not a bad thing! thank you for coming out and posting! The radio is a HUGE factor!! probably the biggest one of them all, the new Niki radios seem to be doing the best as far as battery goes these days! Also make sure if your going to be doing battery tests its after a HARD RESET! no apps installed period, I know batti is a big drain on the battery even though its a small app lol.... My kaiser will last about 35 hours with MY use now everyones use is different so there is no perfect judge of battery use, even the battery test apps have a % that it is off by and veryone uses there phone different, But if your only getting 5-6 hours something is wrong or you ARE a heavy user sorry to say! remember the radio is the key to battery use here folks and also the apps you have installed!
ALSO- HSDPA is a battery drain as is UTMS to is you can go EDGE only and you will be ahocked at how much longer it lasts :)

It is obviously because of a program or programs installed that drain the Batt.

[jnc8651]

ok this post seems to be nothing but n00bs posting which is not a bad thing! thank you for coming out and posting! The radio is a HUGE factor!! probably the biggest one of them all, the new Niki radios seem to be doing the best as far as battery goes these days! Also make sure if your going to be doing battery tests its after a HARD RESET! no apps installed period, I know batti is a big drain on the battery even though its a small app lol.... My kaiser will last about 35 hours with MY use now everyones use is different so there is no perfect judge of battery use, even the battery test apps have a % that it is off by and veryone uses there phone different, But if your only getting 5-6 hours something is wrong or you ARE a heavy user sorry to say! remember the radio is the key to battery use here folks and also the apps you have installed!
ALSO- HSDPA is a battery drain as is UTMS to is you can go EDGE only and you will be ahocked at how much longer it lasts :)

i know umts/hsdpa do have an major effect on batt life....on my old 8125 it would last 3-4 days and but at that time i did not have the data plan i just had unlimeted txtin....and i would use the phone alot in in the morning and alot after school. i also did use wifi alot b4 and after school but none the less it still would last 3-4 days. when i got the tilt i was dissapointed with the life of my of the tilt and even now it still lasts about 2ish days with the oem batt. :(

[MACkjam]

Sorry but my TyTN II does not discharge like that at all.
This has definitely go something to do with rom version, service provider etc etc.

I charge my TyTN II to 100% at around 20h00. By 08h00 the next morning my phone is on 94% with nothing disabled except bluetooth, which I then switch on when I drive off.

There are some apps like Cyberon Voice command and Windows Mobile Voice Command which I have since removed, which do consume enormous amounts of power even on standby.

My TyTN II details:
ROM version: 1.56.421.1
ROM Date: 26th October 2007
Radio Version: 1.27.15.32
Protocol Version: 22.51.88.13H
Service Provider/Network: Vodacom South Africa

[cuboosh]

i use edge only, new niki radio, push activated, 60-70mins of voice a day, 50-60 txts a day and i can get to 2.5+ days with 4% left, screen brightness is the 3rd notch from left.

[BlackThunderTilt]

Hi folks,

Did nobody ever make any headway on this? I've been experiencing the same problem too. The mA draw was high enough that my car charger would not charge the phone while it was turned on. I had to turn the phone off otherwise the battery continued to drain. This is my second battery and they both behave the same way, so it's definately something to do with the phone and not the battery itself.

ROM version: HD_IIIPRO WWE
ROM date: 07/17/08
Radio: 1.65.24.36
Protocol: 25.94.40.06W

[xxprincecjxx]

#1. Do u have a voice dialer installed? If so uninstall it and run battery test.

#2. Have u changed ur radio version? If not than change it and run battery test.

#3 if both of these failed check ur Ma battery drain. If it's high than return phone if under warrenty. If not than buy one of those newer battery's. I don't have a link for u at this time but search google for "Ur phone + stronger battery than oem" and u should run into one of these battery's i'm talking about. These new battery's are a bit heavier but are guarenteed to double ur phone's life...