Shift Project?

[ltxda]

Hello all. The same people that opened up the Athena device, worked out numerous unlockers for many many devices and are now working on the newly released Polaris device are offering up our team and skills. Only problem is we have no devices to develop on. What we did on the Athena project was raise enough money from donations for 4 devices. There was an overwhelming response and the results were a fully unlocked device and customized ROMs. We also took it a step further and made things possible that were not in the original release of the device. If you guys are interested we can start-up a similar project. Up to you guys, the community.

Of course it's not necessary to start up such a project. I'm sure a developer will eventually purchase a device and do something with it. Time will tell.

Goals of proposed project:
- Unlock device
- Expand WM6 capabilities
- Remove as many limitations on device as possible
- IF possible, add phone and GPS capabilities
- Cooked ROMs

[koala996]

Hey Itxda,

I'm currently trying to get a job around the Shift .. but I have to wait for septembre (if the project is not refused) and in this case, I could make a Master Thesis upon the Shift and many abilities that comes with it.

I'm trying to get the shift the soonest as possible and as soon as I will have it, I will start developing the most I can (Cooked ROMs, Expand WM6 capabilities are the MOST important for me).

I'd love to work with XDA developers but as I'm from Belgium it is not currently easy .. and I don't even know if the Shift is "really" released here.

What can be "nice" should be a collaboration between Shift users and XDA developers. I think that Expand WM6 is the first goal to reach .. and I'm sure that we will find how to get FULL WM6 !

[koala996]

seems that Expand WM6 capabailities are OK now :) YESSSSSSSS

[sacramoso]

pls. let me know how can I turn it too full WM6system. I bought Htc Shift. and after then I found, it has no full WM6 system? Why? pls help me. I am biginner in system and registry problem, pls write it step by step. thx.
p.s. i am very glad, super device.

[ltxda]

Hey Itxda,

I'm currently trying to get a job around the Shift .. but I have to wait for septembre (if the project is not refused) and in this case, I could make a Master Thesis upon the Shift and many abilities that comes with it.

I'm trying to get the shift the soonest as possible and as soon as I will have it, I will start developing the most I can (Cooked ROMs, Expand WM6 capabilities are the MOST important for me).

I'd love to work with XDA developers but as I'm from Belgium it is not currently easy .. and I don't even know if the Shift is "really" released here.

What can be "nice" should be a collaboration between Shift users and XDA developers. I think that Expand WM6 is the first goal to reach .. and I'm sure that we will find how to get FULL WM6 !

Thanks for your response.

That's basically how we all did it on the Athena Project. Established a few goals, outlined the details then kicked some butt.

The Athena, being the monster she is...now runs more stable, faster and has the latest and greatest. You guys might want to look over at the Athena forum to see how the project did. We started at v1.0. Everyone loved it. Went on to 2.0 and 3.0. Now we're working on 4.0 which is going to be a nice surprise for everyone.

We'll see if anyone else is interested. For now I'm more than happy with my Athena but if people want to move forward we can get things going. Just want to know if it's something that's wanted.

Shift is a nice toy but damn HTC for what they did to the WM side. I have no idea what they were thinking here. :mad:

[ltxda]

pls. let me know how can I turn it too full WM6system. I bought Htc Shift. and after then I found, it has no full WM6 system? Why? pls help me. I am biginner in system and registry problem, pls write it step by step. thx.
p.s. i am very glad, super device.

I wish I could just give you the how-to but it's not that simple. HTC did some pretty nasty things within this wonderful device and it'll take some serious hacking around and time to get things unlocked then working. We're not sure what the extent is, yet, to the full capabilities but if the community wants to move forward with the project, we can setup a PayPal account to start the donations and essentially repeat the enormous success accomplished under the Athena project.

Like I said, IF it's even possible...our team can get it done. Just another toy that needs to be shaped into a work of art :D

[sacramoso]

O.K. I would like. pls do it. thnx.

[ltxda]

O.K. I would like. pls do it. thnx.

Ok, that's two yes answers. Let's see what others have to say. Be back later, stepping out.

[cmonex]

personally i think the shift is just begging to be hacked! i'm part of the athena project and would help in shift project too.

now that it's revealed how to access \Windows and file explorer, the next step will be creating a virtual USB connection to the vista side (this is possible!), then you can use activesync and can flash roms too, and we (with Olipro) can make hard-SPL and even simunlocker if there is a simlocked version of the shift.

the WM side of course needs a properly cooked rom, put the functionality and apps back and customizations. and of course we need to enable lots of hardware, i'm sure at least part of that can be managed (from SD and wifi to phone and GPS).

i can't wait to start hacking on this but first a device is needed.

[rpawly]

im all for it as well

[firedup]

Count me in:)

[virain]

I am in, let's do it!:)

[Pawel062]

nice. i'll happily cook everyone a good custom for for the shift like i did for the athena. watch the athena space for the 4.0 release. u'll definalty want that on ur shift.

from what i seen in the test roms, gps and phone shouldnt be too hard to get back. wifi just might be a bit harder. the antenna and all seem to be there as the test roms have a gps tool

[Settembrini]

Yes, do it, cook the little bugger!

[sbueschi]

tell us where to donate for the shift project and i will
cheers, steve

[killer_t]

tell us where to donate for the shift project:):)
Big donate For italian lenguage!!!!:D:D

[Wiz]

count me in financially ...

[ltxda]

So far all positive feedback but there are hundreds of more users on this forum so we really need to hear back from the community.

We'll be finalizing Athena Project 4.0 soon so the timing is perfect.

The immediate core team members will be:

ltxda (myself of course)
Olipro
Cmonex
PK

Other members will be recruited as the need arises. We would also need two existing forum members with experience and good testing skills for when the ROM is beta quality to help test and work out any kinks.

[Pantaloonie]

Ok, i'm in. I can't help financially until i've paid off my Shift, but I'm up for any testing that needs doing.


Edit - I just donated.

[ltxda]

I setup a link on my signature for the Shift Project.

Remember, we're going to need the entire community to pitch in here to make this as successful as the Athena Project.

If we end up without the necessary donations we will just refund the money from the project. I hope that doesn't happen...never had to do a mass refund before...I wonder how long that would take. LOL

The good thing about this forum it's based on users like me...those that like the high end toys and don't mind playing a bit ;-)

[ltxda]

A new/official project thread has been created:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376111

I will keep the donations portion updated there. Please do not start posting to that thread until the Project officially starts. We can keep posting stuff here for now.

Keep on eye on the official project thread for core member updates, etc.

EDIT:
$5 donation received. Updated on main project thread.

Update:

2 $50 donations received...main project thread also updated.

[ltxda]

I guess you guys are interested...already got 5 donations in. Looks like we're moving forward with the project. Of course, project post is updated in case you want to see the activity.

Can't wait till the masses read up and contribute. Shift is going to be an interesting animal unlocked and hacked all nice and pretty. :cool:

[stupedity98]

I'm thinking about getting a shift, not now but in the near future. One of the reason's that I'm hesitating is because the shift looks like it could do so much, but the way that htc made the product it kinda blows. (or at least i think it does i haven't been able to play with one yet but i've read every post here). However if the shift can run a full windows mobile and be able to talk to the vista (or xp?) side of things than i would be in. I'll even donate to try and make that happen before i get the device if this project starts to happen. What you guys do here i have no idea how you do it, but i have a big appreciation for it, and i would not want to leach off of you, and your work.

[stupedity98]

hey in my reading of the forum i cam across this, i don't know if you have see this or not but http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=75086&d=1205172495 from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=370993&page=5

i'm excited

[michael85]

I'm in there as well :)
I've got a lot of experience with WM and also with Vista.
As you can see I don't have many posts here, but have a lot of experience with roms for the Hermes and Wizard.
If you need any help, let me know how.

[Settembrini]

Hi,

I haven't got the gadget yet. Seems to be shipped in about 2 weeks here in Germany. As soon as I see that it meets my expectations, you will get my donation.

Settembrini

[ltxda]

Three more donations received. I'm on the road ATM but will update the main thread as soon as I can. Just keeping every one informed.

[Pfeffa-rah]

Great Guys!

Go for it!

I do not have a shift yet. But I will donate some anyway.
(As soon as a can find my paypal login and password.... havn't used that for ..... well, not for a long long time....)

Greetz,

Pfeffa-rah

[ltxda]

Thanks everyone for your donations. Official project thread has been updated.

Official Update:

I've been contacting vendors letting them know about our purchase goals. I'm getting quotes to see who can give us the best prices for the devices so we can maximize these donations and get the most for the money.

If anyone would like to pitch in, please feel free.

[ltxda]

Another donation and main project thread updated with latest total as of 03.12.08pm.

[ltxda]

I've received several thank you PM's letting me and the core team know how appreciative you guys are that we're starting this project.

First of all, don't mention it. This is OUR project...yours and ours. It's the communities project. We're just here to speed things along. Give yourselves a big thank you and once the project commences pitch in wherever you can. Answer questions for your fellow community members, help each other out and help us by contributing your ideas, cool freeware and support the initiative in any way you guys can.

Thank you!

[koala996]

I've received several thank you PM's letting me and the core team know how appreciative you guys are that we're starting this project.

First of all, don't mention it. This is OUR project...yours and ours. It's the communities project. We're just here to speed things along. Give yourselves a big thank you and once the project commences pitch in wherever you can. Answer questions for your fellow community members, help each other out and help us by contributing your ideas, cool freeware and support the initiative in any way you guys can.

Thank you!

great ! the project seems to attract a lot of people .. I'd like to donate but I have no paypal account .. and I'm trying to find which way I will put money on paypal (have already an online account but on another site and can't transfert to paypal :()

I have an idea... will try tonight or tomorrow !

For the shift price.... you should look at the importer rpawly used (onthegosolution?) it seems to have a good price for that !

if someone has idea of program to do on the shift.. you can put it here .. I don't have a shift but I can contribute by programming.

[ltxda]

great ! the project seems to attract a lot of people .. I'd like to donate but I have no paypal account .. and I'm trying to find which way I will put money on paypal (have already an online account but on another site and can't transfert to paypal :()

Not pressuring you but Paypal allows you to donate using credit cards as well and doesn't allow the recipient to see the card number for your protection. Thank you.


I have an idea... will try tonight or tomorrow !

For the shift price.... you should look at the importer rpawly used (onthegosolution?) it seems to have a good price for that !


Yes. I did see their price and have also ordered from them before. I typically notice that their prices stay high while other vendors drop the price to meet the market expectations though. When the time comes we'll try to give every vendor an opportunity to provide a competitive quote and go with the best offer in price and value.


if someone has idea of program to do on the shift.. you can put it here .. I don't have a shift but I can contribute by programming.

Do you program for PPC and Windows or just one of these? If so what code and can you develop small apps and utilities?

[ltxda]

Another $50 donation received. Official project thread updated in case you want to see running totals.

[koala996]

Not pressuring you but Paypal allows you to donate using credit cards as well and doesn't allow the recipient to see the card number for your protection. Thank you.


I know but it will be the last choice.... I hope I can do something else.. and I think I have found the solution but I have to be @ home to look if I can export money to paypal from the account I think.


Yes. I did see their price and have also ordered from them before. I typically notice that their prices stay high while other vendors drop the price to meet the market expectations though. When the time comes we'll try to give every vendor an opportunity to provide a competitive quote and go with the best offer in price and value.

I wish my future life has already started.... in some years I will come to U.S. to live and to be more effective in the IT world !

Do you program for PPC and Windows or just one of these? If so what code and can you develop small apps and utilities?

I program for both ... I use the .NET framework 2.0 (and compact framework 2.0) and I can even you a lower .NET if there is no need for code that exists only for 2.0 (or more.....).

I have made a program for PPC (for one of my passion) and I am making a program for Windows (in the case of my thesis in engineering).

Both programs are "real programs" .. but while being student I have had to program many many many things...

I'd love to make "interesting" applications .. and the idea I have for summer holidays is to make a windows application that can create CUSTOM rom easily (choosing keyboard application, keyboard skin, windows mobile skin, windows mobile version, language, base rom, etc.....)

I have also cooked many roms for my PPC (HTC TOUCH) and I love the mobile world.

[rorydaredkign]

after looking at the thread, im tempted by the shift. If i buy one, at 17, I'll probably be the youngest user...
but £1000 plus... argh!
Rory

[koala996]

after looking at the thread, im tempted by the shift. If i buy one, at 17, I'll probably be the youngest user...
but £1000 plus... argh!
Rory

I'm 23.. and I think I understand what you are talking about... but be sure that it would be a really nice device to learn more about future :
- windows mobile side
- touch screen
- windows vista

there is many things in it that is better than every other computer under $2000.

[ltxda]

More donations received...updating main thread...

[ltxda]

after looking at the thread, im tempted by the shift. If i buy one, at 17, I'll probably be the youngest user...
but £1000 plus... argh!
Rory

At 17 you have nothing to lose. :)

[danielherrero]

I ve just donated. Sorry, I didnt know the project was opened :)

[ltxda]

I ve just donated. Sorry, I didnt know the project was opened :)

Donation confirmed, will update threads later...drigving atm. ;p

[killer_t]

My donation as arrive?:confused:

[ltxda]

My donation as arrive?:confused:

Please PM me with the confirmation # and Ill check for you.

[rpawly]

donation given, NOW GET TO WORK!

mmmm :)

I guess you gotta wait for more money lol

[cmonex]

donation given, NOW GET TO WORK!

mmmm :)

I guess you gotta wait for more money lol


yeah, a test device is needed... but until then i hope we can talk on msn :)

[rpawly]

yeah, a test device is needed... but until then i hope we can talk on msn :)

pm me your info

[cmonex]

donation given, NOW GET TO WORK!

mmmm :)

I guess you gotta wait for more money lol


yeah, a test device is needed... but until then i hope we can talk on msn :) to dump your SPL etc.

[ltxda]

Got two new donations and the main project thread has been updated.

On behalf of the core team and YOU, the community, thank you for the donations. Yes I already donated as well, even though I don't have a device and am going to be working on it :) we're all in this together people.

We've got a ways to go. If everyone in the community would pitch in a little it would make things easier for the ones donating the larger amounts.

FYI, for the Athena Project, I donated over $350+. That's fine because I can but if all others would have donated just $5, it would have distributed the burden better. We'll see how this community does.

[ltxda]

donation given, NOW GET TO WORK!

mmmm :)

I guess you gotta wait for more money lol

Well yea unless you send me a Shift. :D

[defender110]

Just sent a donation. I hope you get what you need to start soon.

[michael85]

I noticed the XDA ftp is down.
If you guys need an ftp for development tools, I can provide bandwith / FTP account for us.

I will only give the people who are posting in this thread access to the FTP account, but releases like SPL / ROM can be open for everybody.
Let me know if you guys are interested in this :)

BTW: it's not going down in a month or something, cause my own company site is hosted on it.

[cmonex]

thanks for the offer, how much bandwidth do you have?

i have a site where the unlockers etc tools will be hosted, but the roms usually go to rapidshare, because they require a lot of bandwidth, but i just call that service crapidshare... for reasons i'm sure you understand :D

[Pawel062]

also cmonex, dont forget ltxda lets us host roms on his servers but additional ones would be nice :)

[Tr1gg3R]

also cmonex, dont forget ltxda lets us host roms on his servers but additional ones would be nice :)

I've got some space and bandwith to spare so let me know if you need anything.

I could set up a mirror when the time is here :D (and let it be soon ;) )

[Pantaloonie]

I just donated :p
Only a little, more to come later.

[Tr1gg3R]

I just donated :p

Which is a very noble thing to do ;-)

I'm still considering all the options...

[Pantaloonie]

Which is a very noble thing to do ;-)

I'm still considering all the options...

Yeah, I considered them until the third beer, then it all became crystal clear :D

This was posted from the pub, on my Shift.

[sbueschi]

i donated a second time

[michael85]

also cmonex, dont forget ltxda lets us host roms on his servers but additional ones would be nice :)
Yes, I think just a couple of mirrors will be nice. :)

[mw65719]

Hi,

Just registered to the xda-dev forum because I am looking at buying an HTC Shift (as soon as the German version is available in Germany - I prefer the QWERTZ keyboard with our special letters "äöüß" :))

While I do not necessarily need a full WM6 - it is not a PDA after all - I would like to have some enhancements to SnapVue

Sync contacts and calendar entries with Vista
a browser for quick web sessions
potentially viewers for e-mail attachments (pdf, doc, xls, ppt)

I have read the threads and am impressed with what has alreday been achieved in such a short time since the Shift is available.

An mp3 player would surely be a nice addition if and when the SD card (or even better, the harddisk) should become available.
WiFi access for SnapVue would also be nice, no need to use expensive 3G when at home (At least in the beginning I'll stick with a limited data volume plan).

However, I do not want to get rid of SnapVue completely and all modifications should be doable in a way that allows going back to the original.
As I do not want to "brick" my new toy, I'll be really careful when I install any changes. ;)

To support the development efforts, I made a small donation.

[ltxda]

Hi,

Just registered to the xda-dev forum because I am looking at buying an HTC Shift (as soon as the German version is available in Germany - I prefer the QWERTZ keyboard with our special letters "äöüß" :))

While I do not necessarily need a full WM6 - it is not a PDA after all - I would like to have some enhancements to SnapVue

Sync contacts and calendar entries with Vista
a browser for quick web sessions
potentially viewers for e-mail attachments (pdf, doc, xls, ppt)

I have read the threads and am impressed with what has alreday been achieved in such a short time since the Shift is available.

An mp3 player would surely be a nice addition if and when the SD card (or even better, the harddisk) should become available.
WiFi access for SnapVue would also be nice, no need to use expensive 3G when at home (At least in the beginning I'll stick with a limited data volume plan).

However, I do not want to get rid of SnapVue completely and all modifications should be doable in a way that allows going back to the original.
As I do not want to "brick" my new toy, I'll be really careful when I install any changes. ;)

To support the development efforts, I made a small donation.

Thanks for supporting the community and fellow members and developers.

I agree with your proposed goals. The core goals are inline with what you state and we also want to crack this baby open and basically unlock any functionality that`s been restricted. We need to make sure that the device can do what the price "says" it should do, period..and maybe more.

[stormforger]

Glad to hear about the project and I have made a Donation, wish it was more but I just lit up the credit card buying the shift!.

I had a imate jam and currently have a advantage. The advantge will be handed down to the wife. (giving her my advantage is for my own health so she will not kill me for ordering a shift about 10 minutes ago.)
XDA is always my first and last stop when thinking about new mobile device.

The fix you guys have posted for getting full WM6 is main reason I have made jump.

Till I get it in my hands I really don't have any suggestions to add for the project.

I look forward to the project and will try add few more coins to my donation after I take care of this CC bill :D

[ND4SPD]

I would love to donate/help with this project... I don't have a shift but might be able to donate a little bit later.

[Pfeffa-rah]

Finaly straightened out my paypal acount.
Donated 60 bucks. (minus paypal fee :( )

Now I´m only waiting for my shift to be delivered first :)

[ltxda]

Again, thank you all.

I've updated the official project thread with the new total. We're getting close to the first device which will go towards being unlocked. Unlocking must occur before any type of good cooking can commence.

EDIT: Mid-day...another donation received and updating official project thread now.

[mw65719]

We're getting close to the first device which will go towards being unlocked. Unlocking must occur before any type of good cooking can commence.

What do you mean by "unlocking"? Are you talking about SIM lock? I don't think that there are any Shifts around that are SIM locked, each device out in the wild should work with any SIM from any provider.

[ltxda]

What do you mean by "unlocking"? Are you talking about SIM lock? I don't think that there are any Shifts around that are SIM locked, each device out in the wild should work with any SIM from any provider.

From what we know, none of the Shifts are SIM locked. I'm referring to CID unlocking and HardSPL.

[cmonex]

From what we know, none of the Shifts are SIM locked. I'm referring to CID unlocking and HardSPL.


Orange sells them simlocked.

[ltxda]

Orange sells them simlocked.

Thanks, learn something new every day. :)

[koala996]

Thanks, learn something new every day. :)

even without GSM functionnalities they are doing this ... what the hell is wrong with ORANGE and HTC ??? pfff... I have never had a device sim-locked and I hope I will never have one .. ( yeah I know sim-locked devices are often so much cheaper).

[mw65719]

Carrier subsidized phones are often enough not really cheaper compared to the same phones bought from a (reasonable) retailer. It just looks like it.
Usually you pay for the phone with a higher base rate (or higher usage fees) in your contract that if you go for a contract without a subsidized phone.
So while the subsidy works in your favor if you are a little short on cash at the moment when you are buying the phone and signing a new contract (or extending an existing one), in the long run you often enough end up paying even more for the phone than it is worth.
And if you want a more sophisticated phone, you often enough have to sign up for a very expensive contract (a friendly hello to all the iPhone owners :D) which most people really do not need.

[thatboyp]

Please oh please get the SD done quick!!! Hope this donation will make it go faster....

Great job guys!!

thatboyp

[ltxda]

More donations received and main project thread will be updated shortly.

[ltxda]

Another generous donation received. We're very close to being able to purchase the first device.

[ltxda]

We posted an official project report here...

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2052926#post2052926

[sbueschi]

Another generous donation received. We're very close to being able to purchase the first device.

how much you need to close the gap for the 1st device?

[ltxda]

how much you need to close the gap for the 1st device?

If we're talking about full price (approx $1650 USD) plus shipping an approximate $600-$700. This is approx. BUT, I'm talking to a couple of vendors that are trying to work something out for us. I want to see if they can help before jumping the gun on this and making a hasty purchase.

New Total $1,098.00 USD after paypal fees as of 03.24.08am(mid-day)

So we would have to make up the diff...if purchasing a device at full cost. I want to wait a little and see what the commercial community can do for our community. I know we help them sell a hell of a lot more devices by doing what we do so I want to wait a little and see what they have to offer. If we unlock the Shift, many many more buyers will start placing orders, etc. I already know at least 10 people that didn't order the Shift because of the limitations but have told me they would place orders as soon as we do what we need to do. That's a small percentage of people from my immediate circle...who knows how many more have this same attitude...so this project will hopefully mean nice sales for vendors as well.

[sbueschi]

If we're talking about full price (approx $1650 USD) plus shipping an approximate $600-$700. This is approx. BUT, I'm talking to a couple of vendors that are trying to work something out for us. I want to see if they can help before jumping the gun on this and making a hasty purchase.

New Total $1,098.00 USD after paypal fees as of 03.24.08am(mid-day)

So we would have to make up the diff...if purchasing a device at full cost. I want to wait a little and see what the commercial community can do for our community. I know we help them sell a hell of a lot more devices by doing what we do so I want to wait a little and see what they have to offer. If we unlock the Shift, many many more buyers will start placing orders, etc. I already know at least 10 people that didn't order the Shift because of the limitations but have told me they would place orders as soon as we do what we need to do. That's a small percentage of people from my immediate circle...who knows how many more have this same attitude...so this project will hopefully mean nice sales for vendors as well.

Ok, good luck with your vendor talks then, i guess there should be at least one that sees the added value behind this community work for the sales potential. I did my third donation now. Looking forward desperately for the SD
unlocking. Cheers , S

[ltxda]

More donations received and main project thread updated. Please check there for new totals and thank you all.

[ltxda]

Thank you all for your donations.

I noticed that there are a few thousand views, etc. of the posts.

As with the Athena Project, I hope that the few don't take it upon themselves to carry the project financially. If everyone pitches in a little, it'll make things better for the entire community.

The reason I post this is because I "invested" over $450 of my own money on the Athena Project to help make things happen. I know something about the few carrying the weight.

Just wanted to say, if there are some people holding back because they thought the project would experience lack of interest...well, people are interested and we're close to the first device. If you can give please help your fellow members, if not, sit back and enjoy the results as we continue to release files. To see what's already been accomplished please check the official project thread. :)

Please don't take this as begging for a device nor your money. It's simply my comments on the process based on current and previous experience. :)

[ltxda]

A HUGE donations has been received in the amount of $300! I'm updating the official project thread now.

[koala996]

A HUGE donations has been received in the amount of $300! I'm updating the official project thread now.

waw !! thank you for who did it !

i still need to make a donation .. soon I hope

[mw65719]

As I just saw in the "Project Donation" thread, you are almost there with the donations and should have enough money to buy the first device (even without special discounts from vendors).

I am just now wondering: What is going to be the first device the project will be going for?

The US only version (X9000 with EVDO)
The "global" version (X9500 with GSM/HSDPA)

There seem to be some differences and not all developments may work well on both devices.

As you can see from the little flag in the upper right corner, I would obviously prefer the X9500 to be the first ...:rolleyes:

[ltxda]

As I just saw in the "Project Donation" thread, you are almost there with the donations and should have enough money to buy the first device (even without special discounts from vendors).

I am just now wondering: What is going to be the first device the project will be going for?

The US only version (X9000 with EVDO)
The "global" version (X9500 with GSM/HSDPA)

There seem to be some differences and not all developments may work well on both devices.

As you can see from the little flag in the upper right corner, I would obviously prefer the X9500 to be the first ...:rolleyes:

All of the devices we will purchase for this project will be GSM models. GSM, as you all know, is the prominent network and is the network all developers on the team use. Although our primary focus will be GSM, the secondary goal, immediately after developing an unlocker with this first device for GSM models, will be attempting to do the same for the EVDO model. We might need member involvement to pitch in and help but we'll see once we have a final product. We want to use the framework we've already established and finalize it once the device arrives to be able to release the unlocker. Once this is done and we have a final "product" for the GSM models, we're hoping it won't be too difficult to adapt it for the EVDO models.

We are working on ordering the first device sometime this week. In working with different vendors, there has been one vendor that has been aggressive about helping our team and providing lower cost units. We're attempting to finalize negotiations and place an order soon. If all goes well, I might post the vendors name...and if they don't disagree. They have not asked us to do anything like post their name, promote their company, etc. which is, for me a great thing, they are wanting to just help the community any way they can. We'll see how it goes.

[facdemol]

Salutations from Romania. I bought a shift, it's supposed to arrive to me in about one week. I can also support the developement by anything that can be done by having a shift and the desire to mess with it pretty seriously. I have extended knowledge about pda/laptop hardware and I could provide some details about the shift dissasembly or making various tasks that require the shift to be dissasembled. If you encounter hardware problems I will be glad to assist once my shift comes and I am able to figure out it's complete hardware specifications.
I'll try to donate as soon as I sort the paypall problem here in Romania. They seem pretty reluctant in working with this country, althrough they state that the service is available here.

Ah yes, I'll try to figure out some sort a way to extract drivers for vista (hopefully xp someday) or in general to mess with the vista side of the device.

[ltxda]

Salutations from Romania. I bought a shift, it's supposed to arrive to me in about one week. I can also support the developement by anything that can be done by having a shift and the desire to mess with it pretty seriously. I have extended knowledge about pda/laptop hardware and I could provide some details about the shift dissasembly or making various tasks that require the shift to be dissasembled. If you encounter hardware problems I will be glad to assist once my shift comes and I am able to figure out it's complete hardware specifications.
I'll try to donate as soon as I sort the paypall problem here in Romania. They seem pretty reluctant in working with this country, althrough they state that the service is available here.

Hello! Glad you're on board and part of the community.

As for hardware, I would say the primary goals are (others are welcome to correct me or add to this list but keep in mind that the core development team will focus on software based items not direct hardware "modding"):
- Upgrade Hard Drive (someone told me there is a 160gb HD for this baby)
- Upgrade RAM (i hear there are problems finding a 2gb module but there's hope)
- Not really hardware but over clock processor (there are other devices with similar CPU or maybe same that have been successfully over clocked. I think there are a few others working to get this done hopefully soon)

Finding or creating pictures of how to disassemble the device would be of great help to the community.

Thank you for your support and good luck with Paypal there.

[facdemol]

I'll try to get some detaliated knoledge about the processor cooling system and it's capability to take a larger amount of heat generated by a overcloaked processor. By my current knoledge, overcloaking the shift's processor shoudn't be a problem, I also saw similar processors running at 1ghz. I'm sure the processor can take even more but that will require people to dissasemble the shift and make some serious modifications, not likely to ever happen with most people.
Due to the fact that most people just bought the shift or ar planning to buy one, this means that most of them got their devices in warranty and aren't planning to dissasemble them (and void that warranty) very soon. I'll try to focus on getting the shift to run "cooked" versions of vista or hopefully get or adapt drivers for XP.
I'm in the process of making a compatible credit card in order to be processed by paypall, it should be ready in 2 weeks.

[ltxda]

I'll try to get some detaliated knoledge about the processor cooling system and it's capability to take a larger amount of heat generated by a overcloaked processor. By my current knoledge, overcloaking the shift's processor shoudn't be a problem, I also saw similar processors running at 1ghz. I'm sure the processor can take even more but that will require people to dissasemble the shift and make some serious modifications, not likely to ever happen with most people.
Due to the fact that most people just bought the shift or ar planning to buy one, this means that most of them got their devices in warranty and aren't planning to dissasemble them (and void that warranty) very soon. I'll try to focus on getting the shift to run "cooked" versions of vista or hopefully get or adapt drivers for XP.
I'm in the process of making a compatible credit card in order to be processed by paypall, it should be ready in 2 weeks.

Sounds great. Would you mind focusing on the XP drivers as opposed to having a modified or customized Vista image? Also, if you manage to get XP drivers sorted maybe creating an image with XP and the necessary drivers for the community? Maybe work on the Vista afterwards since that will be less time consuming? If anyone has a difference of opinion for this please let us know...if you don't agree

As for hardware mods, I agree with you. IMHO I think basic overclocking with existing components should be the focus. I also heard about the 1GHz milestone and although it would tag the battery pretty hard, I figure why not.

Another thing I was just reminded of in this discussion is trying to create a way to be able to turn off WM altogether to help with battery drain. Someone mentioned somewhere on the forum and I need to add this to the goal list on the official thread.

[landshark]

One question - since battery life seems to be people's main concern, any thoughts about figuring out ways to UNDERclock the processor to save battery juice? I know that won't help much if you're watching videos, but for basic job-type stuff (writing emails, memos, a little Excel, etc.), is there opportunity for benefit there?

Also, as a US resident, I heartily applaud your decision to focus on the GSM version, not the CDMA. There's no way I'll be buying that hacked up monstrosity, I'll stick to getting an imported GSM version. That is, once:

- bluetooth, wifi and the SD slot are fully accessible from the WM side
- full xp tablet with drivers OR a larger HDD (or better SSD) is available...

Counting the days, my donation's already in <grin>

Good luck!

Mike

[facdemol]

undercloacking the processor woun't help much. The ULV intel A series is normally the least concern when talking about battery life. The main consumers are, like always, the display, RF modules and the ram memory bloc (maybe the 950 video chip also). If you undercloack the processor the ram power requirements will actually increase, because of the nature a pc works. The best thing left to do is to go flight mode as often as possible and to reduce the backlight to a lower level.

As soon as my shift arrives I will start working on making it compatible with the xp tpc version. My first point should by enabling the touchscreen operations. If someone has some pictures with the shift dissasembled (good quality or larger photos) please post some links, I may find the touchscreen controller chip and it's code noted there. It will be a good place to start untill I have my own Shift to play with. Also I'll be oppening another topic where others can share experieces about making the shift compatible with xp or dual boot it with vista.

[ltxda]

undercloacking the processor woun't help much. The ULV intel A series is normally the least concern when talking about battery life. The main consumers are, like always, the display, RF modules and the ram memory bloc (maybe the 950 video chip also). If you undercloack the processor the ram power requirements will actually increase, because of the nature a pc works. The best thing left to do is to go flight mode as often as possible and to reduce the backlight to a lower level.

As soon as my shift arrives I will start working on making it compatible with the xp tpc version. My first point should by enabling the touchscreen operations. If someone has some pictures with the shift dissasembled (good quality or larger photos) please post some links, I may find the touchscreen controller chip and it's code noted there. It will be a good place to start untill I have my own Shift to play with. Also I'll be oppening another topic where others can share experieces about making the shift compatible with xp or dual boot it with vista.

Thanks. I think someone already had a topic open for XP on Shift. If not, then we need to open an official one and actually make it Sticky.

[Pawel062]

wow nice stuff going on here. keep up the nice work everyone.

[mackaby007]

Hi All. May I first applaud ltxda and the team for taking on this project. 2ndly I applaude the other fellow members here in their wisdom to support this project. I have every faith in this team and know they will squeeze every ounce of performance and functionality out of this baby. Got to get me Shift real soon too. I'll be donating shortly aswell. Great stuff guys & gals.

[Pawel062]

Hi All. May I first applaud ltxda and the team for taking on this project. 2ndly I applaude the other fellow members here in their wisdom to support this project. I have every faith in this team and know they will squeeze every ounce of performance and functionality out of this baby. Got to get me Shift real soon too. I'll be donating shortly aswell. Great stuff guys & gals.

there he is. man you need to get on the team once again. will be great to see u on shift if u do get it.

[cmonex]

wow hey there ;)

[rosrog]

wow hey there ;)

Wow! i just donated my first $500 and I'm excited about it and encourage all the community to donate , no matter how small, so our good guys can fully hack the shift.:)

[Pawel062]

Wow! i just donated my first $500 and I'm excited about it and encourage all the community to donate , no matter how small, so our good guys can fully hack the shift.:)

wow are u sure u dont mean 50? if it is 500 then thank you very much for the nice donation. :)

[Pfeffa-rah]

Yeah 500 is...
yeah.....
:eek:

[cmonex]

hey all... can anyone help in this?

we are looking to buy the Shift for the project to test things on it.

but have been unable to find it in stock in the EU so far... (except for crazy prices like expansys).

if someone knows of a source or maybe someone wants to sell theirs, let us know please in a PM...

as location, UK is preferred but anything EU as long as it's a WWE device would be good.

thanks.

[nomad]

http://www.umpcshop.nl/product/46411/htc-shift-x9500.html

1199 euro's on stock right now.

[koala996]

http://www.umpcshop.nl/product/46411/htc-shift-x9500.html

1199 euro's on stock right now.

yeah but they need to be careful about the language of vista and the keyboard layout !

[XenoV]

yeah but they need to be careful about the language of vista and the keyboard layout !

This is the international WWE version.

[koala996]

This is the international WWE version.

ok ok nice, hope to here soon that the Shift Project got the Shift !

can't get any news from itxda .. I hope he will come soon on xda !

[Pfeffa-rah]

I got mine from Laptopshop.nl and had it delivered in 2 days.
http://www.laptopshop.nl/product/46411/htc-shift-x9500.html
Its actualy the same as: http://www.umpcshop.nl/
I got an English device with UK keyboard.
The site says they still have it in stock.

[killer_t]

In uk...
1.100 euro's

http://www.shop.bt.com/productview.aspx?quicklinx=4TRW


here at 1060 euro
http://www.devicewire.co.uk/htc-shift

here at 1046 euro
http://www.powerupmobile.com/product-14-297.htm

[cmonex]

thanks for the links :)

i see none in stock in the UK... now going to try babelfish for the .nl sites, thanks :)

[michael85]

thanks for the links :)

i see none in stock in the UK... now going to try babelfish for the .nl sites, thanks :)
HTC Shift X9500: € 1199,-

Actuele status van dit product: op voorraad

"Op voorraad" means "in stock" :)
http://www.laptopshop.nl/product/46411/htc-shift-x9500.html

[pof]

I bought a shift myself and talked to cmonex to join the Shift Project, so I've been playing with it a couple of days and have some stuff ready to release, so we can speed up the development while the other members of the project team wait to have their devices :)

[Pawel062]

I bought a shift myself and talked to cmonex to join the Shift Project, so I've been playing with it a couple of days and have some stuff ready to release, so we can speed up the development while the other members of the project team wait to have their devices :)

sure u can join the team. ill talk with the project leader, ltxda, so we can make it official but ur in according to me. will be very nice to work with you pof.

[koala996]

here at 1046 euro
http://www.powerupmobile.com/product-14-297.htm

I used the vista money conversion gadget and got 1102€ from what they said (£ 869.99) are you sure about the conversion?

[killer_t]

I used the vista money conversion gadget and got 1102€ from what they said (£ 869.99) are you sure about the conversion?

When i go in this site i put the price, and i convert it with the gadget in vista..
Increased the price, or my simply error? ;)

[koala996]

When i go in this site i put the price, and i convert it with the gadget in vista..
Increased the price, or my simply error? ;)

EXCELLENT :) don't know

[elsucio03]

I hope this hacking and modding hasn't died out cuz im getting the "SHIFT" soon and wanna push that baby to the limit. Right now i have the T-mobile Wing and are looking to use both with the contract i have. I would love to donate but have no money due to the fact i have to pay for college. well i hope this project gets done fast and let me know if i can do anything to help.

oh and thanks to the members of the shift project that are gonna bring the device to life

[elsucio03]

oh and i found a website that sells it for $1,376.69

http://www.shop.bt.com/productview.aspx?quicklinx=4TRW


hope this helps with anything

[killer_t]

oh and i found a website that sells it for $1,376.69

http://www.shop.bt.com/productview.aspx?quicklinx=4TRW


hope this helps with anything

Already insered!

[stormforger]

I hope this hacking and modding hasn't died out cuz im getting the "SHIFT" soon and wanna push that baby to the limit. Right now i have the T-mobile Wing and are looking to use both with the contract i have. I would love to donate but have no money due to the fact i have to pay for college. well i hope this project gets done fast and let me know if i can do anything to help.

oh and thanks to the members of the shift project that are gonna bring the device to life

Yeah same here can't wait, I am finding it very hard to wait! :rolleyes: I am dying for space on the WM side and I keep looking at my HTC advantage/x7501 wishing the WM side of the shift had kind of functionality.

HTC missed the mark for me on the shift. The shift I wanted was first a WM6 device with a big keyboard and screen for all day use on the go. The second part was the ability to start up vista on same device on the go and at the office with a big monitor and full size keyboard and mouse.

Having both machines a x7501 and a shift right now is killing me! I keep looking back and forth wishing I could smash them together and make what I really want.

That being said I still love the form factor of the shift and I still have high hopes that once a rom is "cooked" by all hard working folks on the project that the shift will very close to what I was hoping for from HTC.

It is very hard to wait the only thing we can do right now is to remind people if they have not donated to the project yet to do so. Till enough project members get the device in their hands we will be waiting.

[koala996]

oh and i found a website that sells it for $1,376.69

http://www.shop.bt.com/productview.aspx?quicklinx=4TRW


hope this helps with anything

it's 1376,69€ not $ .. isn't it ? .. it would be less than 900€.. totally impossible ...
or maybe you did the wrong conversion .. you did € to $ conversion instead of £ to $ conversion !

[Pfeffa-rah]

I am dying for space on the WM side and I keep looking at my HTC advantage/x7501 wishing the WM side of the shift had kind of functionality.

HTC missed the mark for me on the shift.

I think, now, with the WM side liberated, It allredy comes verry close to what I want.
I am verry confident that The Shif Project team will be able to unlock phone gps and bleutooth in the verry near future.
I can only hope that the SD slot is actally harwired to the WM side so they can unlock that too, but I would be willing to open up my shift and solder a 32GB SD card into place in the WM part. (Or maybe I should let someone do tha who actually knows what he is doing ;) )

greetz,

Pfeffa-rah


p.s.
b.t.w. Do you project guys have your shift yet?
Not that I want to push you guys......
aah.... who am I kidding!....
I DO want to push you guys! ;)

[Blue_Lightning]

Same here, I just can't wait for my shift to be delivered to me
I'm in Indonesia btw. But up until now, I haven't got my device

Hope you guys can provide a good ROM

[cmonex]

thanks for the help so far... trying to order now, but if that doesn't come through, if someone's (god forbid ;) ) selling their Shift that'd be fine too.

[elsucio03]

it's 1376,69€ not $ .. isn't it ? .. it would be less than 900€.. totally impossible ...
or maybe you did the wrong conversion .. you did € to $ conversion instead of £ to $ conversion !

i did do the right conversion. i have seen a couple out there for less than $1,500.

[ltxda]

Hello all,

Wanted to update you guys since some people keep PM'ing Cmonex and seem to be getting a little impatient.

First, let's keep this friendly people. We all use our spare time to get this done.

Second, we ran into an issue ordering the devices. We have enough money in the account to order the first device, for sure. What the issue is now is finding a vendor in the UK that has it in stock AND accepts PayPal. Expansys doesn't have them in stock. Handtec has them in stock BUT they don't accept PayPal. We could order from the US and send to the UK BUT this would mean a customs nightmare and un-necessary cost. The options are that I use my own personal credit card to place the order through Handtec unless one of you guys can help us locate a vendor in the UK, that has the devices in stock and accepts PayPal.

If I use my own personal CC'rd, then i'll have to deal with all the PayPal bullshit. What I mean by this is that the account is limited on what you can transfer unless you add a bank account to it. Well, in good faith and for the project I tried to add my bank account BUT they rejected it because the bank account was already being used on another PayPal account that I actively use. Someone recommended that I move it over to the ShiftProject account but since I actively use it, no can do.

So this leaves us with...we have the money to get the first device so Cmonex can test and release the unlocker but I want to FIRST try to find a vendor with the devices in stock, etc as mentioned above before using my own credit card and then having to deal with all the PayPal bullshit.

Your suggestions and help are welcome and people please don't flood Cmonex's account with requests, etc. She's a helpful person but this is being taken care of an I'm the only one with access to the PayPal account.

In the meanwhile, please see what we as a community can do to pull together and make this happen. I await your help and suggestions.

Now I have to get to work, been busy as hell lately with work and family. Dont' want to stress out about something that is going to happen after we overcome a small obstacle.

:)

[ltxda]

oh and i found a website that sells it for $1,376.69

http://www.shop.bt.com/productview.aspx?quicklinx=4TRW


hope this helps with anything

Perfect find but none in stock. Please find other sources in UK preferred EU if available that accepts PayPal and much thanks from the community on this!!! :)

[ltxda]

yeah but they need to be careful about the language of vista and the keyboard layout !

I didn't try to read through the site but maybe you can help.

- I see they have them in stock which is great.
- Will we have to deal with customs BS if shipped to the UK?
- Do they accept PayPal?

I'm ready to order if they accept PayPal and we don't have to deal with customs crap in the UK.

Let me know ASAP and thanks.

IF I don't respond right away it's because i'm working. :cool:

[koala996]

I didn't try to read through the site but maybe you can help.

- I see they have them in stock which is great.
- Will we have to deal with customs BS if shipped to the UK?
- Do they accept PayPal?

I'm ready to order if they accept PayPal and we don't have to deal with customs crap in the UK.

Let me know ASAP and thanks.

IF I don't respond right away it's because i'm working. :cool:

doesn't seem to accept paypal :/ .. I don't really know what would be the issues with a UK shift... and I don't know if it is a UK shift or something else.

[Pfeffa-rah]

First, let's keep this friendly people. We all use our spare time to get this done.

Sorry man, didn't mean to offend. I greatly appreciate what you guys are doing and have done already!

grtz,
Pfeffa-rah

[ltxda]

Sorry man, didn't mean to offend. I greatly appreciate what you guys are doing and have done already!

grtz,
Pfeffa-rah

Nah man it's no problem and no offense. It's Monday and already a long week. LOL

We're just working out the order for the first device and it's been a bit hectic trying to get past PayPal's BS and the device availability.

Plus there are a few people that think we can blink our eyes or twiddle our noses and create a ROM.

We appreciate the community's efforts in making the projects happen and we do it for the love of the game. The game can get expensive so we're glad everyone understands that although we will contribute our last dying breath to make it happen, we can't always buy the devices that are necessary. :)

[ltxda]

Ok, got the Paypal stuff kinda sorted out. Since one of the major obstacles was that a US account couldn't be used to order a device for EU/UK, I just transferred the necessary funds to Cmonex's PayPal account so she can order from a EU PayPal account for a EU shipping address. She's going to place the order herself.

In the meanwhile, I will be updating the official project thread with the new donations and totals for the Shift Project account.

I'm considering putting in some of my own money to expedite the purchase of the second device for the project in hopes that donations continue to come in for the three remaining devices. At this point i would most likely have to put in around $1000 but that's fine. All in the name of progress. :D

Thank you all for your continued support and donations and helping to keep the project moving forward.

Again, as soon as the first device arrives an unlocker tested then released for the general public. After that we start working on unlocking certain components on the device, etc.

For a current list of goals please refer to the official project thread.

[landshark]

Plus there are a few people that think we can blink our eyes or twiddle our noses and create a ROM.


So THAT's how you do it!!! <grin>

Thanks for being willing to take this project on!

Mike

[ltxda]

Two HTC Shifts have been ordered for the project. I put in my own money to fill the gap for the second device.

Once devices are received SPL is going to be released first to unlock the WM side of it. This will allow for custom ROMs to be installed to the WM side of the device.

Once I get the device in, we will also be testing Windows XP Tablet Edition on it to see how it handles the touch screen. Maybe a generic driver will take over the touch display and give us what we want. If not at least we tried. I've already acquired a copy of WinXP Tablet Edition and can't wait to give it a try.

Two devices down and a little bit more donations to go to cover the cost. Then we can worry about the last two devices.

Again, thank you all and the project moves on.

[Pawel062]

So THAT's how you do it!!! <grin>

Thanks for being willing to take this project on!

Mike

me i just spin around also to cook a bit better version.

[Pawel062]

Two HTC Shifts have been ordered for the project. I put in my own money to fill the gap for the second device.

Once devices are received SPL is going to be released first to unlock the WM side of it. This will allow for custom ROMs to be installed to the WM side of the device.

Once I get the device in, we will also be testing Windows XP Tablet Edition on it to see how it handles the touch screen. Maybe a generic driver will take over the touch display and give us what we want. If not at least we tried. I've already acquired a copy of WinXP Tablet Edition and can't wait to give it a try.

Two devices down and a little bit more donations to go to cover the cost. Then we can worry about the last two devices.

Again, thank you all and the project moves on.

hmm will be interesting to also get linux going once u have urs. lets see what else we can do with it. maybe tri boot xp tablet, linux,and mac osx. the shift is about to get really interesting.

[ltxda]

Found a nice little freeware program that runs on both Vista and Windows Mobile. Think it might be a good addon for the project. You guys can check it out here and even start using it. The Mobile edition is just a AP scanner that is supposed to connect to the nearest and strongest AP in your area and keep connecting as you move around, if I understood this right.

http://www.wefi.com/app/downloadmobile.html/page/Download

[Pawel062]

Found a nice little freeware program that runs on both Vista and Windows Mobile. Think it might be a good addon for the project. You guys can check it out here and even start using it. The Mobile edition is just a AP scanner that is supposed to connect to the nearest and strongest AP in your area and keep connecting as you move around, if I understood this right.

http://www.wefi.com/app/downloadmobile.html/page/Download

nice find ltxda. i need to get this on my athena.

[koala996]

Two HTC Shifts have been ordered for the project. I put in my own money to fill the gap for the second device.

Once devices are received SPL is going to be released first to unlock the WM side of it. This will allow for custom ROMs to be installed to the WM side of the device.

Once I get the device in, we will also be testing Windows XP Tablet Edition on it to see how it handles the touch screen. Maybe a generic driver will take over the touch display and give us what we want. If not at least we tried. I've already acquired a copy of WinXP Tablet Edition and can't wait to give it a try.

Two devices down and a little bit more donations to go to cover the cost. Then we can worry about the last two devices.

Again, thank you all and the project moves on.


hey ! sounds really good.
I'd love to help for the project but not enough money right now to buy one
I have a third of the shift price.. and I'm looking for ways to get money (maybe I should give my paypal account and ask for donation ..)

I have been active on the HTC TOUCH on XDA making a French Rom with applications from the DUAL and I have never found anyone more expert than me in Belgium about Windows Mobile, Windows Vista and Windows XP.. I'll be officialy a Civil Engineer in Computing Science in 2 months and I'm used to all windows version (except server ones and tablet pc) and with Linux.

Maybe I could be a great help for the shift project and I could even make applications to help the communities of unexperienced owners of the shift.

[cmonex]

hey ! sounds really good.
I'd love to help for the project but not enough money right now to buy one
I have a third of the shift price.. and I'm looking for ways to get money (maybe I should give my paypal account and ask for donation ..)

I have been active on the HTC TOUCH on XDA making a French Rom with applications from the DUAL and I have never found anyone more expert than me in Belgium about Windows Mobile, Windows Vista and Windows XP.. I'll be officialy a Civil Engineer in Computing Science in 2 months and I'm used to all windows version (except server ones and tablet pc) and with Linux.

Maybe I could be a great help for the shift project and I could even make applications to help the communities of unexperienced owners of the shift.


sounds cool. what kind of applications? :)

[Pawel062]

sounds cool. what kind of applications? :)

yep. i would also like to hear ur suggestions for applications.

[koala996]

sounds cool. what kind of applications? :)

I can try everything .. I'm used with the .NET framework for Windows and for Windows Mobile .. I have already made some applications for my own but I can do applications for others.

There can be applications to simplify the way liberation of the shift.. but it seems that the version made by modaco already works well .. BUT maybe we can do even better and easier.
Also an application for cooking, and even for EASY cooking (like a wizard where people would have to choose between languages, default app, etc...) that create "custom" roms.
And maybe some apps for mobile .. a quick launch app like on the iphone, ...

I'm open to every suggestion ... but b4 I have to buy a shift.

[Pawel062]

I can try everything .. I'm used with the .NET framework for Windows and for Windows Mobile .. I have already made some applications for my own but I can do applications for others.

There can be applications to simplify the way liberation of the shift.. but it seems that the version made by modaco already works well .. BUT maybe we can do even better and easier.
Also an application for cooking, and even for EASY cooking (like a wizard where people would have to choose between languages, default app, etc...) that create "custom" roms.
And maybe some apps for mobile .. a quick launch app like on the iphone, ...

I'm open to every suggestion ... but b4 I have to buy a shift.

iphone and finger friendly apps would be nice. for rom kitchen i got tools from someone else who i can't mention bc he would be burried in requests for them.

[koala996]

iphone and finger friendly apps would be nice. for rom kitchen i got tools from someone else who i can't mention bc he would be burried in requests for them.

I understand, but I just mean that I will try to put my efforts on what is lacking (don't know if this word exists :D) .. what can be better..

[Pawel062]

I understand, but I just mean that I will try to put my efforts on what is lacking (don't know if this word exists :D) .. what can be better..

thanx. we will be contacting u after the release of my athena rom about this :)

[ltxda]

Thank you all for your continued support and donations.

The official thread has been updated with the latest totals.

Two of the four devices have been ordered. Look for update soon.

[koala996]

Thank you all for your continued support and donations.

The official thread has been updated with the latest totals.

Two of the four devices have been ordered. Look for update soon.

Hi Itxda, thanks for the update.

Two devices has been ordered but have them been received?
I hope the donation will go on and thank you for the advance.

When first important things will be released, I hope that many donations will be done.

[koala996]

Hey .. what about making the Shift working on 5 OS via external HDD or USB KEY ?

I have never tried anything else than installing OS's on an internal HDD .. but I suppose that it is possible to make it work.

There are so many people wanting ot have Linux or XP working .. (both are already working well except the touch screen) but could it be possible to make it run Mac OS X? and even better.. to have the 5 OS's working (Vista, WM, XP, Mac OS X & Linux) and all the time 2 running in real // (WM and one of the 4).

Maybe I'm stupid wanting this running on a HDD.. and maybe it is not possible.. but I was very satisfied when I had Linux, XP & Vista running on the same computer (never needing another computer to work !).

I don't know what will be easy to do, nor what will be complicated.. neither what is impossible.

Is the shift using EFI? I suppose it is a bios as usual... what about that?

[pof]

@koala996: yes, it's possible. The shift is just a normal X86 computer, you can do with it whatever you can do with other common 'desktop' systems, like for example installing +100 operating systems (http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?p=861282#post861282) if you want :)

And no, it does not have EFI, it has a quite standard AMI BIOS :)

[koala996]

@koala996: yes, it's possible. The shift is just a normal X86 computer, you can do with it whatever you can do with other common 'desktop' systems, like for example installing +100 operating systems (http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?p=861282#post861282) if you want :)

And no, it does not have EFI, it has a quite standard AMI BIOS :)

ok thank you for the anwsers.. I don't want to wait 5 months to get it :(... I wish I could have it right now to make do this. It would be nice to have the choice of the OSs I want to use.. I have no laptop right now.. and my 2 desktops are only usable in remote when I'm not @ home... and remote desktop is not as fast as having a laptop or even an UMPC.

[ltxda]

Hi Itxda, thanks for the update.

Two devices has been ordered but have them been received?
I hope the donation will go on and thank you for the advance.

When first important things will be released, I hope that many donations will be done.

One device, the one I put in money for, arrived already. Cmonex's device destined for the UK has not and we're experiencing delays. That's the one we need to get to do the SPL to open the device up for more functionality.

[ltxda]

ok thank you for the anwsers.. I don't want to wait 5 months to get it :(... I wish I could have it right now to make do this. It would be nice to have the choice of the OSs I want to use.. I have no laptop right now.. and my 2 desktops are only usable in remote when I'm not @ home... and remote desktop is not as fast as having a laptop or even an UMPC.

Another thing, I've been working with mine to boot BackTrack3beta. Working on getting the wireless driver fixed up then will post the details. Figured it would be fun to run a nice hacking ISO off of a bootable USB drive. This should give people plenty to play around with at home and on the road while we wait for Cmonex's device. We had problems compiling the drivers on the shift so we're setting up an alternate machine with the same kernel to do the work there then move the modules over to the USB. Once this is working, the hard work should be out of the way and others should be able to do the same. Meanwhile, read up on BackTrack3beta and what it can do. I'm sure some of you wanting to play with Linux on the Shift will find it very interesting if this is the first you've heard of it.

[danielherrero]

Hi.
Pof is helping me because my recovery partition was deleted by ubuntu installer because I didnt installed from vista but from a usb disk. It would be nice if you could dump a recovery partition for the rest of the people (english)(install cd would be even better :)) for the people like me that break his toy not being careful

[koala996]

Hi.
Pof is helping me because my recovery partition was deleted by ubuntu installer because I didnt installed from vista but from a usb disk. It would be nice if you could dump a recovery partition for the rest of the people (english)(install cd would be even better :)) for the people like me that break his toy not being careful

you broke it twice...isn't it ? .. plz be careful .. we don't want you to have no more shift!

[Martincyborg@gmail.com]

donated 80$ a few days back, and another 80 just now. Hope that helps you out.

[koala996]

donated 80$ a few days back, and another 80 just now. Hope that helps you out.

thank you, every single $ help the Shift Project.

[michael85]

Any news about the project?
Are the devices arrived? :)

[ltxda]

Any news about the project?
Are the devices arrived? :)

Same status as before. We're hoping to have the Shift for the Unlocker this coming week...IF all goes as planned. It's been hectic getting this device. I'm glad I was in a position to order mine early on. Been working on drivers and Linux items while waiting for the SPL work. Also going to work with the team on the GPS radio, etc.

[ltxda]

Main project thread updated with new donations. Thank you guys for continuing to give. I wish others would jump in instead of the same people giving. Same thing happened on the Athena Project...since I came in as a community member then later became a project member some of us kept donating over and over to get the project were it needed to be. There were hundreds of people but only a few supported it.

The good part is now, after the release of AP4.0, the fourth version of the ROM for the Athena Project, many have stepped in to donate.

For those that have contributed already, thank you on behalf of the core team and user community.

[cmonex]

hi all,

I got my Shift!!! :D

have just reloaded vista on it, going to play a bit with it then start hackin' with olipro and ltxda.

:D



P.S: it's best if you can arrange a personal meeting when trying to buy this elusive thing. nothing else seemed to work out for me. thanks sacramoso ;) (the forum user I got it from)

[pof]

hi all,

I got my Shift!!! :D



Congratulations :D

[koala996]

hi all,

I got my Shift!!! :D


niceeeeee !! it seems more important than the release of the shift :D

[sacramoso]

I was very glad to help you. Im sure you will find in a short time a lot of nice solutions for Shift. We are waiting patiently.:)


hi all,

I got my Shift!!! :D

have just reloaded vista on it, going to play a bit with it then start hackin' with olipro and ltxda.

:D



P.S: it's best if you can arrange a personal meeting when trying to buy this elusive thing. nothing else seemed to work out for me. thanks sacramoso ;) (the forum user I got it from)

[micron]

I'm sorry to change Title.
The Shift Project is buy 2 HTC Shift. 1 in USA and 1 in EU.
Please Dump a Recovery partition of USA SHIFT and upload anywhere.
To download from my HTC Shift.
My partition is crashed :(
PLEASSS

[cmonex]

I'm sorry to change Title.
The Shift Project is buy 2 HTC Shift. 1 in USA and 1 in EU.
Please Dump a Recovery partition of USA SHIFT and upload anywhere.
To download from my HTC Shift.
My partition is crashed :(
PLEASSS


well, I want to do it for pof anyway (he has a spanish shift). but you need to wait 1-2 days, because my upload speed is crap. but mine is from the EU, though it is WWE, if you mean GSM by USA shift then they are the same :)

but, please watch out for where you post, because this is a bit irrelevant in this thread..

[micron]

Nol problem i wait 1-2 days.
Pof version is ES and no uderstend Spanish.
i Very thankful to upload any where for my.

[cmonex]

OK, using Shift to post here :D

[FOOFTR]

Have made small donation, and preference is to continue to support throughout progress. Good luck guys...

[snorlax]

Just donated as I discovered this project !

I bought myself a Shift one week ago and I'm reeeeeaaaaally looking forward to using SD Card under WM...

Keep the pressure guys cause you're already doing a great piece of work there !

[cmonex]

OK, hardspl is flashed to ltxda's and my shifts. I'm not sure yet if normal RUU works, pof reported it didn't on his shift, so I used alternative way to flash hardspl.

next step is flash a full OS and try GPS and maybe SD (SD still not fully confirmed in SPL, though it has commands for it).

also got some ideas for custom shift apps :)

[koala996]

OK, hardspl is flashed to ltxda's and my shifts. I'm not sure yet if normal RUU works, pof reported it didn't on his shift, so I used alternative way to flash hardspl.

next step is flash a full OS and try GPS and maybe SD (SD still not fully confirmed in SPL, though it has commands for it).

also got some ideas for custom shift apps :)


yeah yeah yeah !! so big news.. I'm busy till july... and I'm not sure that I will have the shift before septembre/octobre .. but after July I will have ALL THE TIME to make apps :) so don't worry about saying ideas .. (a list of needed custom apps could be nice...)

[ltxda]

OK, hardspl is flashed to ltxda's and my shifts. I'm not sure yet if normal RUU works, pof reported it didn't on his shift, so I used alternative way to flash hardspl.

next step is flash a full OS and try GPS and maybe SD (SD still not fully confirmed in SPL, though it has commands for it).

also got some ideas for custom shift apps :)

To add to this, it's good we had two devices to immediately test the SPL work. We noticed differences that will help us get to a stable and safe implementation and have files ready for the community to use. Not sure exactly when but we've started some real world testing now with these two devices.

We're waiting on the rest of the donations to get PK and Olipro their devices so we can continue to work on other goals for the project.

[cmonex]

To add to this, it's good we had two devices to immediately test the SPL work. We noticed differences that will help us get to a stable and safe implementation and have files ready for the community to use. Not sure exactly when but we've started some real world testing now with these two devices.

We're waiting on the rest of the donations to get PK and Olipro their devices so we can continue to work on other goals for the project.



yeah, I don't know why you needed the space after certain commands. those commands all worked for me fine, must be to do with the usb problems you had. we need to test on your device again. :)

as for me it wasn't entirely effortless either, I had to rename the same hardspl file to get it accepted.

wow, what interesting quirks ;)

due to these observed differences I think it would be nice to talk to some of you shift owners here, to test more. if you know how to use mtty, then PM me. (or if you don't know how to use mtty, but are good with computers and commandline, then that's fine too)
thanks!

[cmonex]

yeah yeah yeah !! so big news.. I'm busy till july... and I'm not sure that I will have the shift before septembre/octobre .. but after July I will have ALL THE TIME to make apps :) so don't worry about saying ideas .. (a list of needed custom apps could be nice...)


you got MSN? we could talk about ideas :)

[Blue_Lightning]

WOW, I really admire you cmonex, itxda and I really want to help
cmonex check your PM please.

[cmonex]

thanks for help, testing hardspl with you really helps sort out some glitches to make the process generally usable


anyway we flashed beta rom and GPS works on it. it sees satellites, we didn't wait for lock yet, but that should be ok too ;)

SD is tougher - the OS has the usual sd drivers in it, I checked and sdbus.dll is loaded in memory (the lower level driver) but sdmemory.dll (the higher level driver that lets the OS see the SD and show its files to you) isn't loading regardless of SD inserted or not / SD and wifi disabled in vista or not.

we will probably release a beta version of the hardspl package so users can report how easy it was to get working. so far it seems on some shifts device manager lets you disable usb host easily (this is a requirement to get the process working), and on some you have to use tricks.
best way would be improve sspl to not require this usb host disable/reenable.

also trying to see, for certain people, how to power snapvue off / keep it powered off permanently.
and also usb disabling from custom program to solve power leak problems for some other people.

here's some pics of flashing an OS image via RUU and then the first boot screen and some other pics of bootloader. :D

(xdadevs attachment system doesn't seem to work atm)

flashing:
http://hpcmonex.net/IMAG0014resized.jpg
booting beta rom:
http://hpcmonex.net/IMAG0019resized.jpg

tricolour in unmodified stock SPL 1.30 (tester Blue_Lightning managed to enable it!)
http://hpcmonex.net/IMAGE_00001resized.jpg
hardspl 0.93.OliNex on ltxda's shift with some glitches (commands work fine on mine). note SuperCID for info 2 ;)
http://hpcmonex.net/2008-05-02_170350.png
exact same hardspl on mine without glitches:
http://hpcmonex.net/IMAG0020resized.jpg
version of hardspl (0.93.OliNex, in reversed byte order)
http://hpcmonex.net/IMAG0021resized.jpg

[michael85]

This is great news! :D
Now it must be possible to use the GPS under Vista.
Let's hope we can get the sd working under WM.

Great work guys!:D

EDIT:

Is the phone working in the beta rom?

[cmonex]

This is great news! :D
Now it must be possible to use the GPS under Vista.
Let's hope we can get the sd working under WM.

Great work guys!:D

EDIT:

Is the phone working in the beta rom?


I did not flash a radio rom yet... so i didn't try out the phone but good question, will check

as for GPS, it might need a driver thing to get the GPS working in vista, but should be no real problem hardware wise :D

SD - still debugging, I hope it is possible, this is the one I want to get working the most. :)

[thaihugo]

The debug tools contains a program called gpsrouter.exe that should bring gps to vista side (I guess so)

[cmonex]

The debug tools contains a program called gpsrouter.exe that should bring gps to vista side (I guess so)


doh, I forgot about that. we will test that out. ;)

[thaihugo]

Also, I'm sure you thought about it, but try making the SD work whith vista turned off, and also with vista on, but SD driver uninstalled or disabled. Shag servive might be of use, but it might also keep the SD busy when it's drivers are loaded. Same with wifi, which might also interfere with SD.

[cmonex]

Also, I'm sure you thought about it, but try making the SD work whith vista turned off, and also with vista on, but SD driver uninstalled or disabled. Shag servive might be of use, but it might also keep the SD busy when it's drivers are loaded. Same with wifi, which might also interfere with SD.


yes ive thought of all that ;)

HTC is confusing... the special MFG SPL from beta rom has SD write commands but they've been disabled. then the shipped SPL that comes on shift has all that removed. and they leave SD drivers in OS.




....

as for the phone, progress report so far: I've flashed patched radios (makes you security unlocked, with AMSS patched too etc)... old beta radio too... just fine. :D but I think there is an AT command to explicitly enable voice. might need more patches in radio though

[spamcatch]

I'll be following you closely. Made donation already

[ltxda]

I'll be following you closely. Made donation already

Got a donation a little while ago and if that was you thank you. We're almost done recovering the cost of device 2 and we can take all future donations towards the purchase of device 3 and 4.

We'll be posting an official update sometime this week with progress made but not released yet. We want to be very careful not to release buggy stuff IF it can be avoided.

[dimisxxx]

Very good job if you gonna make it like phone and working GPS both sides it would be the ULTIMATE DEVICE..............for the time been atleast....
Congratulations:)

[dimisxxx]

Hello people whats going on any news?????:rolleyes:

[ltxda]

Hello people whats going on any news?????:rolleyes:

Just the same as the last update for now. Cmonex is still tinkering and testing as am I.

[cmonex]

sorry been on a nice holiday until now ;)

will resume work soon

[Pfeffa-rah]

sorry been on a nice holiday until now ;)

will resume work soon
You go in holiday without your Shift!!!
How do you cope?! ;)

[facdemol]

hell yeaaa.. i use the thing even when i'm on the toilet.
ihm.. or I shouldn't told you that.... :rolleyes:

anyway when do you guys hit us with some beta testing rom's ? :)

[cmonex]

You go in holiday without your Shift!!!
How do you cope?! ;)


I did take the shift with me ;)

heck, I even bought a new bag so I could fit the shift in it (it didn't in the old one).

but I didn't have time to hack it... :D

[cmonex]

hell yeaaa.. i use the thing even when i'm on the toilet.
ihm.. or I shouldn't told you that.... :rolleyes:

anyway when do you guys hit us with some beta testing rom's ? :)


LOL

anyway soon :)

[lucid]

Nice... would be great to have a new ROM which is "liberated" from the start. A few suggestions for all the ROM cookers out there :

1 - include realVGA hack
2 - include new splashscreen, or tool to re-flash the bootscreen
3 - include PocketReperion (GPS Tracking, find your shift back)
4 - Include HTC X_button (to close apps using the X)

that's about it :)

[Pantaloonie]

Any advances on making voice calls yet?

[lucid]

The voice calling feature is what I consider the Holy Shi(f)t Grail. I understand most people are dying to get SD-Card working, but I just want to hold this humongous device next to my ear and call people while walking down the street, just to see the faces of people...

Voice calling will depend on a lot of stuff, the microphone must be working (it does when replying to an email) ,

one must have a radio ROM that's compatible and has phone features

one must prolly fiddle a LOT with .DLL's and other stuff inside

Goodluck SHIFT PROJECT TEAM!

[koala996]

I just want to hold this humongous device next to my ear and call people while walking down the street, just to see the faces of people...

really?? ...hum.. I don't think that you can have the micro and the speakers at the right place to do that ^^

[cmonex]

Nice... would be great to have a new ROM which is "liberated" from the start. A few suggestions for all the ROM cookers out there :

1 - include realVGA hack
2 - include new splashscreen, or tool to re-flash the bootscreen
3 - include PocketReperion (GPS Tracking, find your shift back)
4 - Include HTC X_button (to close apps using the X)

that's about it :)


thanks for your suggestions, others can post suggestions too, all of them will be considered. ;)

oh, as for 3) hehehe I know you'll want that, it is a possibility

[cmonex]

The voice calling feature is what I consider the Holy Shi(f)t Grail. I understand most people are dying to get SD-Card working, but I just want to hold this humongous device next to my ear and call people while walking down the street, just to see the faces of people...

Voice calling will depend on a lot of stuff, the microphone must be working (it does when replying to an email) ,

one must have a radio ROM that's compatible and has phone features

one must prolly fiddle a LOT with .DLL's and other stuff inside

Goodluck SHIFT PROJECT TEAM!


the radio rom part is solved, any patched radio can be flashed and security unlock is done too, just need to fiddle more with dlls and stuff.

[michael85]

the radio rom part is solved, any patched radio can be flashed and security unlock is done too, just need to fiddle more with dlls and stuff.
You mean it's now possible to call with the Shift? :eek:

[thaihugo]

Also, do you have normal screen drivers working in your rom? Most game won't work on the standard rom because of the touch driver not properly recognized, or because the screen won't load. Do you work with a fully working 6.1 rom on this aspect?

[cmonex]

Also, do you have normal screen drivers working in your rom? Most game won't work on the standard rom because of the touch driver not properly recognized, or because the screen won't load. Do you work with a fully working 6.1 rom on this aspect?


link me to a CAB download of such a game that has this trouble.

[cmonex]

You mean it's now possible to call with the Shift? :eek:


er, let's just say, close to it.

[janstan]

I think turbo reflex is has problems with the display driver. When i get home from work i'll post the cab file.

[thaihugo]

This one : http://www.isotope244.com/machines-at-war.html

or http://www.pocketmoregames.com/orions_addon1.htm They both have problems.
Also, most astraware games don't work.

[spamcatch]

Hi
is there any news on using the WM/Kaiser GPS functionality in Vista? I found some posts about GPS, but they refer to bluetooth GPS-es. Does this mean that using the integrated GPS on the Vista side is not possible?

[pof]

should be possible to get the NMEA values from the EC controller, but AFAIK htc has not published anything to do this (as "officially" there is no GPS support) and no one has written a custom tool yet.

[kimhoon]

hi there is a shift with full enable gps on board
http://www.expansys-usa.com/d.aspx?i=150277

[foxmeister]

hi there is a shift with full enable gps on board
http://www.expansys-usa.com/d.aspx?i=150277

No - there is a Shift advertised with the acronym GPS in its title - this isn't actually the same as having GPS! If you read the Expansys forum, I think you'll find that its still doesn't have GPS "out of the box".

IIRC, early Expansys listings for Shift in the UK, also mentioned GPS - presumably they were written up before HTC decided to pull the functionality.

Regards,

Dave

[koala996]

well well well... what's up here ?
I'm working hard to finish my thesis... I spent less time on the forum .. but I don't see so many changes.

Can someone of the Shift Project make a summary of what is working and what is not?

And what about donations? ... it seems not to move a lot.. only 2 devices of the 4.. come on ! I may take the time to make a donation in july and find a solution to give the money.

Keep working hard men and women we are with you !

[pof]

I don't kwnow what other members of the shift project are working on, but that's what I can confirm from my side:

1. HardSPL working.
2. SSPL working, but not very "User Friendly" yet.
3. SuperCID, SIM & Security Unlocker, working.
4. GPS working on CE only, still not able to get data from the x86 side, but that's possible.
5. Linux working 100%, I've released driver for the touchscreen and utility to enable/disable wifi and bluetooth without needing to boot vista.
6. Cooked ROMs, possible (I have done one for my personal use).

[stanip]

Prof, what's battery life in Linux without booting Vista?
Thanks.

[pof]

Prof, what's battery life in Linux without booting Vista?

Approximately same as in vista (linux runs on the x86 side), withing 2 and 3 hours depending on the usage, battery & backlight settings.

[cr2]

withing 2 and 3 hours depending on the usage, battery & backlight settings.
Hehe, i'll stay with PXA270 :)

[koala996]

Approximately same as in vista (linux runs on the x86 side), withing 2 and 3 hours depending on the usage, battery & backlight settings.

I've heard that linux was hungrier than XP (and maybe Vista?) about battery life.. what do you think about it ?

[koala996]

5. Linux working 100%, I've released driver for the touchscreen and utility to enable/disable wifi and bluetooth without needing to boot vista.


thanks for your answers... 100% working ? I have read that the touchscreen drivers were still in beta and were not completely working.. .everything is stable now?

[pof]

I've heard that linux was hungrier than XP (and maybe Vista?) about battery life.. what do you think about it ?
Battery life its around 10-15min. less in Linux than in Vista on my Shift, with the same usage patterns.
I haven't tried the battery life on XP as I don't use it regularly, just installed it for testing.

thanks for your answers... 100% working ? I have read that the touchscreen drivers were still in beta and were not completely working.. .everything is stable now?
Yes, the driver will be included in official kernel tree when 2.6.27 opens up :D