This forum...

[CUSTEL]

Is completely useless, what was the point of this idea? Software development as a whole has its own section in the General forums, why bring it to the kaiser? Obviously any software development issues belongs there. ROM Development is not "software development". Seeing the Kaiser v6.1 builds floating around are fake wouldn't it be better to split kaiser rom, and kaiser v6.1 as was done with hermes 5 and 6.0? Or better yet leave it as it was seeing it was managing fine as it was. No other phone section is like this for a reason...

[cuboosh]

i do agree on the 6.1 and 6.0 section like the hermes but thats about it. i love this forum. please go troll somewhere else.. like the middle of the road

[DaveShaw]

I don't think there are enough 6.0 users left for seperate forums. Most ROM's are 6.1 now.

This forum is for software Development and software issues. I think this would be a good place for discussion of issues with 3rd party apps (e.g TomTom & iGO problems), where as the Kaiser general forum can be used for discussion of HTC / M$ problems and any other Kaiser issues (e.g. Breakages etc.).

My 2c's worth.:)

[CUSTEL]

That's what this forum (http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=260) is for...

[cuboosh]

i use wm6 on 1 of my phones.. and actually i wouldnt use 6.1 if it wasnt for dk's rom cuz 6.1 is trash in my eyes.. no rom out can even come close to touching Q's 6.0 rom

[DaveShaw]

That's what this forum (http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=260) is for...

IMHO, the creation of new applications for all WM devices.

I see your point, not many applications will be developed specifically for the kaiser (except maybe Kaiser Tweak :)).

I think the Dec & Hacking should be for proper Devs & Hacks writing new apps and this be used for Kaiser Software Issues. Kaiser Software Development does seem pretty redundant.

Again, just my speculation. Maybe the mods will explain this fully in time.

i use wm6 on 1 of my phones.. and actually i wouldnt use 6.1 if it wasnt for dk's rom cuz 6.1 is trash in my eyes.. no rom out can even come close to touching Q's 6.0 rom

Most of the Noobs, who are spamming the forums are using 6.1, so life would be quiet in the 6.0 forum :D

[mikechannon]

Well guys, don't take things as cast in stone just yet. It may stay or may be changed.

As someone who proposed changes there was initially one primary reason for a change:

To stop people using the Kaiser Upgrading etc... forum for everything from ROM stuff to adding a new theme.

I suggested a new title for the Upgrading forum:
Kaiser ROM and Software Development.

In other words a kind of more advanced development section that would specifically exclude the likes of adding themes, CAB requests and other routine stuff. As such the only change would really be to add the word General to the Kaiser Forum and remove the confusion of the word Upgrading from the development forum.

Being unclear in expressing myself, my suggestion for Kaiser ROM and Software Development was taken as a need for TWO Forums not a single one.

Ironically another device forum is requesting a change to the revised Kaiser setup as it is now:D

So lets hang loose and see what develops:)

Mike

[ljinsane]

That's what this forum (http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=260) is for...

lemmesee whats your fav phrase?...oh yea...go play in traffic....I think you should do that

[ceevee369]

I am still missing the newbie & locked thread section though :D

[eagle 1]

Well guys, don't take things as cast in stone just yet. It may stay or may be changed.

As someone who proposed changes there was initially one primary reason for a change:

To stop people using the Kaiser Upgrading etc... forum for everything from ROM stuff to adding a new theme.

I suggested a new title for the Upgrading forum:
Kaiser ROM and Software Development.

In other words a kind of more advanced development section that would specifically exclude the likes of adding themes, CAB requests and other routine stuff. As such the only change would really be to add the word General to the Kaiser Forum and remove the confusion of the word Upgrading from the development forum.

Being unclear in expressing myself, my suggestion for Kaiser ROM and Software Development was taken as a need for TWO Forums not a single one.

Ironically another device forum is requesting a change to the revised Kaiser setup as it is now:D

So lets hang loose and see what develops:)

Mike

Then maybe someone should move all the crap request or sorry cab requests and other software questions, software gides, etc into this forum instead of the rom forum

like
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337900
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375428
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376436
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=373107
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375100
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376415
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=370208
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376383
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376331
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=371503
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376358
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=367410
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334759

and the list goes on

[CUSTEL]

lemmesee whats your fav phrase?...oh yea...go play in traffic....I think you should do that

Get Aids...

[AllTheWay]

lemmesee whats your fav phrase?...oh yea...go play in traffic....I think you should do that


Get Aids...

Wow the maturity level of this forum has now reached a new low!

[CUSTEL]

Wow the maturity level of this forum has now reached a new low!
Wow the worthless post level of this forum has now reached a new high!

[cuboosh]

both of you need to jump off a bridge ;\ HOLDING HANDS THAT IS!

[AllTheWay]

Wow the worthless post level of this forum has now reached a new high!


LOL. I was just making an observation...and I was considering coming back with something very negative but your are not worth my time...but yet starting up a worthless thread like this seems to be your whole point.

So you are contributing to the worthless post level. :D

...and proving my point that the maturity level has reached a new low.

[DaneMaximus]

This probably won't end the argument. But the point of separating upgrading etc. is for more organization. If I want to look at roms I look in the rom section. If I want to find a good keyboard I'll look in this section. Another good reason for more organization for this phone as opposed to other phones is that this phone's forum population is twice as large as the next biggest forum population.

I'll save my insults for when you reply to this.

[nimda0]

Is completely useless, what was the point of this idea? Software development as a whole has its own section in the General forums, why bring it to the kaiser? Obviously any software development issues belongs there. ROM Development is not "software development". Seeing the Kaiser v6.1 builds floating around are fake wouldn't it be better to split kaiser rom, and kaiser v6.1 as was done with hermes 5 and 6.0? Or better yet leave it as it was seeing it was managing fine as it was. No other phone section is like this for a reason...

Dude, what's wrong? You can't read?

Kaiser general: For general questions about the kaiser, and general issues with your kaiser.

Kaiser accessories: For discussion of accessories for the kaiser.

Kaiser software: For software development, software specific issues, cab files, programs, etc. etc.

Kaiser ROM development: For ROM development and ROM specific issues

Stop complaining. The seperation of categories as it is now will definitely assist with organizing this messy kaiser section.

And as for there being no other phone sections that are like this, well... THEY SHOULD BE. Organization is a good thing, and that's what this is.

Now if you think we need ADDITIONAL organization, by adding even more sub-categories to the current categories...... such as WM6 and WM6.1 subcategories under kaiser software... that would be cool. Otherwise... just stop.

[nimda0]

LOL. I was just making an observation...and I was considering coming back with something very negative but your are not worth my time...but yet starting up a worthless thread like this seems to be your whole point.

So you are contributing to the worthless post level. :D

...and proving my point that the maturity level has reached a new low.

Don't give him the time of day... he's not worth it. Apparently he can't read, and has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING PRODUCTIVE to say.

VOTE BAN FOR CUSTEL IN 08' !!!!!!

[thomassster]

Don't give him the time of day... he's not worth it. Apparently he can't read, and has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING PRODUCTIVE to say.

VOTE BAN FOR CUSTEL IN 08' !!!!!!

The way I see it, no need to ban anyone. Custel has a pretty good opinion. No need to be negative though. But, who knows, I personally don't know about this structure, but we'll just experiment with this. Kaiser is one of the busiest forums and we get lots of post over here. I still want to see some rules be set up so noobs will search. Too many new guys posting redundent threads. What I'm afraid of is if certain threads belong to this section or other sections.

[nimda0]

The way I see it, no need to ban anyone. Custel has a pretty good opinion. No need to be negative though. But, who knows, I personally don't know about this structure, but we'll just experiment with this. Kaiser is one of the busiest forums and we get lots of post over here. I still want to see some rules be set up so noobs will search. Too many new guys posting redundent threads. What I'm afraid of is if certain threads belong to this section or other sections.

One answer.... MOD'S!!!!!

Moderators use the many sections to keep the forums organized. I've meen a moderator of about a dozen different forums over the years.

Mods use their abilities to move threads that are in the wrong category, without deleting it. I'm telling you, more categories, and pleanty of sub-categories are very useful... and the mods can keep it all organized.

[nimda0]

The way I see it, no need to ban anyone. Custel has a pretty good opinion. No need to be negative though. But, who knows, I personally don't know about this structure, but we'll just experiment with this. Kaiser is one of the busiest forums and we get lots of post over here. I still want to see some rules be set up so noobs will search. Too many new guys posting redundent threads. What I'm afraid of is if certain threads belong to this section or other sections.

oh, and I was joking about the BAN LoL...that's funny.

Na, i just hate seeing people be all negative... a little positive productive conversation goes a long way.

[mikechannon]

Then maybe someone should move all the crap request or sorry cab requests and other software questions, software gides, etc into this forum instead of the rom forum

like
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337900
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375428
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376436
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=373107
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375100
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376415
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=370208
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376383
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376331
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=371503
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376358
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=367410
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334759

and the list goes on

If we keep this section then moving those is exactly what will happen. The main question is - should they be moved to a Kaiser software section or simply moved to the General section? Many of these are not specific to the Kaiser afterall. (Which is I guess what Custel was saying)

Mike

[cuboosh]

this forum has turn a mess because of these god damn at&t tilt commericals.. i blame att for making the phone so public.. this is turning into a fucking circus.. all these nar-nars buying this phone then googling for keywords which brings them here and shit spreads like wildfire.. this hasnt happened with any other phone up until now because a majority of dumb posts/threads are from tilt users.. now ive made some dumb posts in my time but some of these are just redicilous. the search feature does work great now since default is done with google.. i dont even want to visit the kaiser section anymore because its such a clusterfuck of a mess.. id put it back the other way it used to be and just enforce somekind of noob meter.. maybe some kind of test when u sign up to show your not a utter baboon

[CUSTEL]

Dude, what's wrong? You can't read?

Kaiser general: For general questions about the kaiser, and general issues with your kaiser.

Kaiser accessories: For discussion of accessories for the kaiser.

Kaiser software: For software development, software specific issues, cab files, programs, etc. etc.

Kaiser ROM development: For ROM development and ROM specific issues

Stop complaining. The seperation of categories as it is now will definitely assist with organizing this messy kaiser section.

And as for there being no other phone sections that are like this, well... THEY SHOULD BE. Organization is a good thing, and that's what this is.

Now if you think we need ADDITIONAL organization, by adding even more sub-categories to the current categories...... such as WM6 and WM6.1 subcategories under kaiser software... that would be cool. Otherwise... just stop.

You need to take your happy little ass back to "D-Town" and take a fucking English class because your too incompetent to comprehend what I was saying. Before telling me to read maybe you should do it yourself and you would see that as I stated the software section for the kaiser is redundant being there are no Kaiser specific applications aside from kaiser tweak. All applications are developed around a mobile platform, windows mobile in this case. Thus in point they should be retained in the general section as opposed to in a forum they do not belong. So how about instead of coming back with a response that will make you look more like an ass we go out back, I punch you in the balls, or lack there of, and we continue our days.

If we keep this section then moving those is exactly what will happen. The main question is - should they be moved to a Kaiser software section or simply moved to the General section? Many of these are not specific to the Kaiser afterall. (Which is I guess what Custel was saying)

Mike

Indeed.

this forum has turn a mess because of these god damn at&t tilt commericals.. i blame att for making the phone so public.. this is turning into a fucking circus.. all these nar-nars buying this phone then googling for keywords which brings them here and shit spreads like wildfire.. this hasnt happened with any other phone up until now because a majority of dumb posts/threads are from tilt users.. now ive made some dumb posts in my time but some of these are just redicilous. the search feature does work great now since default is done with google.. i dont even want to visit the kaiser section anymore because its such a clusterfuck of a mess.. id put it back the other way it used to be and just enforce somekind of noob meter.. maybe some kind of test when u sign up to show your not a utter baboon

Lil buddy that came at me would be one of the rodents you described I am assuming...

[cuboosh]

no ball punching needs to be going on.. it appears you just are interested in touching other male's balls.. this is a phone forum please take your shawk talk somewhere else.

[CUSTEL]

no ball punching needs to be going on.. it appears you just are interested in touching other male's balls.. this is a phone forum please take your shawk talk somewhere else.
You obviously haven't seen vegas vacation, how does it feel knowing you fail at life Jake?

[cuboosh]

at least i can afford to buy pizza and i dont have to try and rip paypal off to do so..

[CUSTEL]

at least i can afford to buy pizza and i dont have to try and rip paypal off to do so..
LOL, go pick up your iphone and you wont have to take part in this clusterfuck anymore...

Then again... I have a blackberry and I still do so who knows...

[cuboosh]

right, well i wouldnt have to if you'd learn how to build roms instead of stealing other peoples sources! so ha!

[gthing]

If this forum section is useless, then people won't use it. So let's just sit around for a while and see what comes of it. It can always be closed down later.

[kyphur]

Yes, most software is developed for Windows Mobile not a specific device.

Yes, some software is device specific.

Yes, many "general WM" programs have device specific issues.


Bottom line is that the jury is out on this one and the Mods and Admin are trying something to see if it works.

I don't see why this thread needs to continue breathing, there really isn't anything else to add to the discussion.