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Menneisyys
3rd April 2008, 09:59 PM
The new 4.1 beta of Opera Mini has just been released with TONS of new features. Get it at http://www.operamini.com/beta/ . Features include:

* Download and upload files directly in Opera Mini (wowz! UPLOAD!)
* Save pages for offline browsing (another WOWZ!)
* Autocompletion when entering addresses directly
* Find in page (WOOOOOOWZ!)
* Increased server speed during the last months
* Signed versions of Opera Mini (good news too)

Don't forget to download the latest, 3.1 version of Jbed (reviewed & linked to HERE (http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=2538&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1) at the bottom.)

(BTW, some of you have asked what I've been working on because I've been quite quiet. I'm


working on my Digital TV Bible, after having read dozens of related books and tons of online documents (I'll post a detailed review of them too)
I need to do some real work too
I'll make another W3C conference speech this month (on multiplatform mobile browsers) and need to update my related Windows Mobile / Symbian / BlackBerry stuff




All in all, I've been pretty busy :)

Menneisyys
4th April 2008, 02:27 PM
Opera Mini 4.1: FULL multiplatform tutorial & review

I don’t need to introduce Opera Mini for any serious mobile device user – it’s been one of the best browsers ever since the release of version 4.0 with all its goodies like favorite synchronization and full layout mode, the latter being excellent on (W)VGA Pocket PC’s and high-resolution Symbian devices like the Nokia E90. Note that I’ve written a review & full comparison to other browsers HERE (http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=2302&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1) – please DO read it if you don’t know what Opera Mini is or how it compares to other browsers, in which cases you might want to prefer it to native, fully-fledged browsers like Opera Mobile. Also, make sure you read my two Web Browsing Bibles, linked from the OM4 article, for additional info & comparisons. Finally, note that the linked article only discusses version 4.0; 4.1 is even better and more featureful.

The just-released 4.1 beta takes things even further and implements a lot of long asked-for functionalities. It’s REALLY worth upgrading; note that it can coexist with older versions (including 4.0) on the same handset. That is, if you, for some reason, find it useless, you can easily switch back to the older version without having to reinstall / reconfigure anything.

1.1 Availability; which version to go for?

Navigate to http://mini.opera.com/beta either with your phone’s WAP browser or, if you have Opera on your desktop, with it:

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/OM41DownloadPage.png
(mobile browser)
http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/OM41DesktopOperaDL.png
(Opera on the desktop)

and select any of the upper three links. On the next screen,

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/OM41Deploy1.png

just press the left softkey (Continue); then, unless you want to put it in a self-created category, just click OK while it’s on root:

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/OM41Deploy2.png

On the following dialog,

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/OM41Deploy3.png

just press OK; do the same on the one that follows:

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/OM41Deploy4.png

The file will be compiled (http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/OM41Deploy5.png) and you can start it right away by answering Yes on the final screen:

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/OM41Deploy6.png

After this, everything is done in the already-known way: accepting the license (http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/OM41Deploy7.png), pressing buttons for generating a pseudo-random sentence (http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/OM41Deploy8.png) etc.

Note that the 4.1 beta page linked from operamini.com, http://www.operamini.com/beta/, doesn’t contain the signed versions, only the unsigned ones. Therefore, if you only have Mozilla Firefox or Internet Explorer on your desktop, make sure you download the file from inside your Web browser on your handheld. The only exception is BlackBerry, where there isn’t a separate version on the only-handheld or desktop Opera page; then, you can safely download the ZIP file from http://www.operamini.com/beta/ with any desktop browser and use the BB Desktop Manager to quickly install it on your BlackBerry.

If you have a Windows Mobile device with Jbed 3.1, any of the signed versions will do. Note that some people state you need to go for the all-certificate version; that’s not true with Jbed 3.1. Make sure you DO download a signed version and not the unsigned one so that you can easily (without any hacking) can get rid of the security prompts.

Note that, should you still not have Jbed 3.1, read the second section of THIS (http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=2538&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1) for more info & the download links.

1.2 What’s new?

1.2.1 Custom text input field

With the new URL input field, address autocompletion works just great:

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/OM41AddressAutocomplete.png

Note that

1, unlike with Opera Mobile 9.5 (and just like any other browser, including pre-9.5 versions of Opera Mobile), the titles of these pages aren’t displayed, only the URL’s

2, copy / paste doesn’t work. If you do need it (and you do have a compatible JVM – it’s only the non-recommended TAO that isn’t), you’ll need to switch to the regular, native JVM URL editor by pressing Delete (right softkey, shouldn’t you have a device with a built-in hardware back key like MS Smartphones) once and, then, go down to highlight "Insert Symbol":

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/om4insertsymblhighlight.png

Then, just press Action on it to get into the traditional URL input field, with the traditional menus.

3, textual input may be problematic on keyboards with combined numeric and alphabetical keys; for example, on the HTC Vox. In there, the numeric keys will always be considered as keypad numeric buttons; that is, they’ll input a for 1, d for button 2 etc. However, as they’re treated EXACTLY the same way as keypad buttons, you can still input any character or (with long-pressing) number with them. You’ll need to know the latter for numeric input with devices that have a separate numeric row (like the HTC Universal).

4, the Input Address field being new also results in the old system-level browser invocation script (http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=2334&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1) not working any more. To fix this,


either switch off the new direct input by just unticking the, by default, enabled "Direct address input" checkbox in Tools / Settings:

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/OM41disabledirinut.png


or, alternatively, go for a modification of the current script version available HERE (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2082313&postcount=83). (Incidentally, note that, now, there’s a full C++ implementation of the invocation script HERE (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2048809&postcount=79). It’s still not compatible with 4.1 unless you untick "Direct address input" as explained above.)

1.2.2 Signing

First in Opera Mini’s lifetime, it comes signed. What does this mean? When deployed under a capable, compatible JVM (for example, Jbed 3.1), it’ll, upon trying to access the Net / the local file system for saving pages / downloading / uploading files, it’ll prompt you for permission:

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/OM41PermissPrompt1.png
(reading the file system)

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/OM41PermissPrompt1W.png
(writing the file system)

In there, you’ll notice a (compared to the unsigned case) new "always, don’t ask again" menu item (I’ve highlighted it in the following screenshot):

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/OM41PermissPrompt2.png

Make sure you do select this before pressing OK. This will make sure you won’t ever need to answer this question any more.

Upon trying to saving pages, it even prompts you to switch to the signed version, should you still have a non-signed one:

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/OM41PromptForSignedVersion.png

The link indeed takes you to a tutorial:

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/OM41PromptForSignedVersion2.png

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/OM41PromptForSignedVersion3.png

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/OM41PromptForSignedVersion4.png

(as can clearly be seen, there is not a single word on Windows Mobile. Note that the tutorial is also directly available HERE (http://www.operamini.com/help/faq/#signed))

Menneisyys
4th April 2008, 02:28 PM
1.2.3 Page Saving

The new page saving feature allows for saving the current page, along with all its resources (images), to a file. The file is in the native (condensed HTML in textual mode + JPEG images) format of Opera Mini currently not readable by other applications. Should you still need some of the contents for copy/paste operations, you can still directly copy from the file with a text viewer. This also means this also allows for some kind of rudimentary copy/paste functionality if you use an external file viewer like that of Resco File Explorer. Then, based on the (latest) timestamp of the saved page (the saved pages have cryptic filenames; however, you can easily recognize them based both of their timestamp in the file system and their header, which contains the title of the page), you view it and look for the info you wanted to copy to clipboard (and, from there, to, say, Notes or Word Mobile). As you can see, it’s in no way so easy than, say, copying and straightforward than copying the full / the visible textual contents of the page into a text input field, where a user could already highlight anything and copy to the clipboard (unless she uses TAO Intent), though. Hope the Opera coders also implement this, otherwise, very simple-to-code feature.

Note that the page saving target dialog is only displayed once (upon the first page saving attempt) and is pretty much far away from being pretty and/or intuitional (and, of course, it has missing functionality present in, say, the standard OS file save dialog like creating subdirectories) but it still does the job. Just select the directory you’d like to save your pages to. Again, remember this can’t be changed later so select a directory with sufficiently large free storage.

First, you’ll need to select the storage type you’d like to save your pages to. In the following screenshot, I’ve selected Storage Card:

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/OM41SaveTarget1.png

After pressing Action, you’ll be shown the directories in there. You can select any of them (and, then, iteratively, any of its subdirectories etc.). Just press Select (left softkey) on the directory you’d like to save your stuff in. For example, in the following screenshot, I’ve stayed on Storage Card when pressing the key; this means it’ll store the pages in the root of the card:

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/OM41SaveTarget2.png

(note that, as the storage card roots can only have up to 128 files, this isn’t the best thing to do unless you’re absolutely sure you only want to save some pages.)

Finally, you’ll be prompted a "Page saved." message:

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/OM41SaveTarget3.png

Get rid of it with the Action button.

After this, all the saved pages will be listed in Tools / Saved Pages (and the latest three on the startpage):

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/OM41StartpageSavedPageList.png

A VGA screenshot with more than one saved page:

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/OM41ListOfSavedPages.png
http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/OM41ListOfSavedPagesVGA.png

1.2.4 Finding text in pages

Tools / Find in page implements something I’ve been asking for years: in-page text search. It not only iterates over all the occurrences of the searched-for word (see the "Next" left softkey), but also conveniently highlights all the occurrences. In the following screenshot, you can see the results of searching for the word "Opera" in the Opera Mini forums:

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/41FindInPagesOpera.png

1.2.5 In-app file up/download

A lot of users have been asking the Opera folks for allowing for in-browser download and, even more importantly, upload.

1.2.5.1 Download

In-browser downloading, for Windows Mobile users, isn’t that important. It’s probably mostly MS Smartphone users that will find this useful because, as has also been explained in my MS Smartphone Web Browsing Bible (http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=2084&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1) (see section 1.1.1 Fixing the binary file download problem), the built-in Internet Explorer Mobile only downloads certain types of files. For Symbian users with, say, a Nokia N95 with a pre-20 firmware version, it’s more so because Symbian often killed Opera Mini when loading up Nokia Web for handling the download. This isn’t an issue with the new firmware version any more, of course – neither is with N95 8GB, N95-3, N82 or the soon-to-come, new, DVB-H enabled N-series models.)

Note that, while file system access is supported in the latest and most recommended Jbed 3.1, this isn’t necessarily the case with other MIDlet Managers. Therefore, you’re strongly recommended to upgrade to Jbed 3.1.

The new in-Opera download looks like this:

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/MP3Download1.png

If you select Save As, you’ll be presented the usual file selector; here, I instruct it to save the contents on the storage card:

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/MP3Download2.png

Then, the download will start:

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/MP3Download3.png

If, instead of Save As, you select Open:

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/MP3Download4.png

you’ll be taken to IE:

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/MP3Download5.png

which downloads the file:

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/MP3Download6.png

Unfortunately, if you go for in-process download, you can’t do anything else during downloading – as is the case with regular page loading. That is, you end up staring at the download screen. If you absolutely hate this and/or the download takes too much time (for example, during fetching a looooooong MP3), go for downloading within Internet Explorer Mobile and switching back to Opera Mini for browsing. You can safely do this: IEM will just download the file in the background without problems. (Unless, of course, you haven’t registered the file type with the system. Then, you’ll need to stick strictly with the built-in downloader of OM4.1.)

1.2.5.2 Upload

With Jukka "Yucca" Korpela’s excellent article & tester suite File input (or "upload") in HTML forms (http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/forms/file.html):

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/FileUpload2.png

Then, the usual Opera file handler will be shown (not that of the OS). Let’s upload some text file:

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/FileUpload3.png

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/FileUpload4.png

and the results are as expected:

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/FileUpload5.png

(note that it the (later?) 4.0 series it is rendered as can be seen in HERE (http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/FileUpload1.png) but, of course, the "Choose" file chooser couldn’t be activated)

In this regard, Opera Mini (along with the commercial (!) Opera Mobile and [the, currently, severely crippled Technical Preview] NetFront) is the only browser to support file upload on the MS Smartphone platform. Let me point out that the built-in Internet Explorer Mobile (still) doesn’t support upload.

2. What’s still missing / problematic?

Now, in addition to direct copy/paste of textual contents, I only miss navigating (switching back) to any already-downloaded page while loading a new one. You can only navigate on the current page while fetching a new page but can’t use, say, #5 to quickly bring up the list of currently open pages and quickly switch to another page. There isn’t a "download page in background" feature either, which would be able for allowing this. This can be a nuisance, particularly on inherently sloooooooooow platforms like the current crop of BlackBerries.

Also, on Pocket PC devices with a built-in keyboard could benefit from some similar keyboard layout than on BlackBerries. On the latter, you can use the (wide and easy-to-reach) Space button to scroll a page down. I wish you could do the same on Windows Mobile devices. (In there, you still must use the "8" button, which is pretty much out of reach in two-hand, "bedtime" operation.)

The problem of "flashing", non-displayed pictures, particularly with pages heavily loaded with them, is still present.

Finally, the lack of italic support is (still) a big pain in the back. I don’t understand why the Opera folks don’t implement this (must be related to the additional storage the custom, smallest character set would require with added italic support, I don’t know – if that’s the problem, at least non-smallest characters should have this support) – after all, ALL major KVM’s do support rendering text in italics. (See my related tests in my MIDlet Bible (http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=2266&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1).)

Menneisyys
4th April 2008, 02:28 PM
3. BlackBerry

The BlackBerry version doesn’t support signed versions; that is, as has already been pointed out, you MUST go with the unsigned one. I haven’t encountered any problems with it; page saving / loading, the new address autocomplete etc. all worked just great. I haven’t encountered the common bug with all OM 4.0 versions: that is, the BlackBerry (at least my T-Mo branded 8800) completely locking up upon loading pages. However, this doesn’t mean these bugs have been fixed: I "only" played with the new version on my BB for two or three hours and the aforementioned bug only turns up, say, once a day or two days, assuming actively using OM for at least 2-3 hours a day.

4. Symbian

I’ve also (quickly) tested the new (unsigned) version on my Nokia N95 v20. I haven’t really run into problems so far; neither have my fellow N95 users in the Opera Mini forum. I’ll later report on whether Opera Mini 4.1 still exhibits the well-known, but, fortunately, pretty rare problem of completely locking up the handset, which, as with the BlackBerry, can only be fixed by removing and reinserting the battery.

Menneisyys
4th April 2008, 09:55 PM
UPDATE (later the same day):
1. MoDaCo frontpage (http://www.modaco.com/content/forum/267137/View-Topic/)
2. note that the above-recommended Jbed 3.1 is NOT compatible with WM5 (http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=228398&t=1207338601) (or with even older operating system versions), only WM6. If you're still on WM5, use the old, "Cloudyfa" 2.1 version instead; or look around at XDA-Devs, where, according to THIS (http://www.aximsite.com/boards/applications/227130-opera-mini-4-1-beta-released-tons-goodies-like-page-saving.html#post1059211236) post, the 20080222 version of 3.1 is WM5-compatible.

tft
4th April 2008, 11:59 PM
i don't like the fact that opera mini is java.. which requires to launch java first before launching opera...that only makes the browser startup slower.. i can get to a website much faster with PIE because it launches faster.. sure it has a bunch of cool features but i guess im the only one that dislikes the fact that it's java emulated..

i'll wait for the REAL mobile opera version.

utoks
5th April 2008, 08:34 AM
wow this new version of opera mini is great. i love the url input method. file download works great too. works perfectly on the kaiser. in fact im writting from it right now. go opera!

one thing-- the shortcuts method cooked up in the midlet bible doesnt work anymore. ill look into this at a later date. could be as simple as removing the old opera mini.

Menneisyys
5th April 2008, 12:04 PM
i don't like the fact that opera mini is java.. which requires to launch java first before launching opera...that only makes the browser startup slower.. i can get to a website much faster with PIE because it launches faster.. sure it has a bunch of cool features but i guess im the only one that dislikes the fact that it's java emulated..

i'll wait for the REAL mobile opera version.

Read my 4.0 review - there, I've elaborated on crating shortcuts to OM so that you can avoid having to start up Jbed first.

Menneisyys
5th April 2008, 01:28 PM
UPDATE (04/05/2008):

1. I’ve tested the above (in the previous update) mentioned Jbed Java 3.1 20080222 (available HERE (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2053333&postcount=564); mirrored HERE (http://www.winmobiletech.com/sekalaiset/Esmertec%20Jbed%2020080222%203.1.cab) for your convenience). It runs flawlessly under WM5 (not only WM6). It supports 3D (tested with Need for speed carbon and Night Fever; neither of them run under the non-3D-capable Cloudyfa 2.1), (as usual, excellent) sound. It can’t be directly installed onto a storage card, however. (As with some older versions, it’s possible it can be hacked there, though, with some manual file copying and registry / start menu link rewriting – I haven’t tested this.)

I’ve also thoroughly tested JBed_20071119.3.1_3dMod_HeapSizeFix_v2_wm6(lovetz1 ) linked from THIS (http://www.modaco.com/content/HTC-Juno-Phoebus-Juno-MoDaCo-com/265919/A-few-JVMs-for-you-to-play-with/) MoDaCo thread. As a plus, it can be directly installed on a storage card, as opposed to the version above. It, however, doesn’t support sound at all. Otherwise, it seems it’s pretty much the same as the version above – except for WM5-compliance: I haven’t tested the WM5-compliant subversion. I’d stick with the 20080222 (the first) version unless you really need every single byte in your built-in storage.

Note that neither version was able to run the s60v3 (Nokia) version of Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars, the latest-and-greatest real-time strategy from EA Mobile – upon loading the mission (and displaying the progress bar), it just locks up. (Needless to say, it’s working flawlessly on the Nokia N95 v20). It seems no Jbed version is compatible with this excellent game.

2. XDA-Devs user JZ SmartMort has released a very promising title making Opera Mini the system-level browser much simpler and offering a LOT of additional functionality. See his thread HERE (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382043). Note that he also posted a somewhat shorter post HERE (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2087762&postcount=88) (in THIS (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2087807) thread, should you also want to read the possible, future discussion of his app).

Quatz
5th April 2008, 03:47 PM
I've installed 4.1 and it looks great, However, a few points are anoying me.

When I start Opera and I type a new adres, the foll msg apear
"Untrusted application Opera Mini 4.1 wants to send or receive information from.... This will use airtime. Do you allow net access?"
Then the options to choose are:
o Yes, but ask me next time
o Yes, but ask me next session
There is no option: o Yes, dont ask me again ??

When I recall a saved page, I get the next msg "Untrusted application Opera Mini 4.1 wants to read data located on this device or removabl emedia. Do you allow read user data?
The only options are Yes or No. In the security option of Opera, there are settings about reading data. But there are only 2 options
o Ask
o Never allow
Also here, I miss the option: o Dont ask me again !

The next thing is the text input field. I have a HTC tytn (virtual and real keyboard). When I switch the option 'direct addres input' tot ON, I can only type the input via the real keyboard and not via the virtual keyboard (its dissapears).

If I can fix those items, I would be very happy.

Quatz
5th April 2008, 11:28 PM
I have reinstalled the same file and now the first 2 points are working fine !!

Leaves me to solve the text input field and the virtual keyboard...

Menneisyys
6th April 2008, 11:09 AM
UPDATE (04/06/2008): I have some very good news for you all.

1. Several of my readers have asked (see for example THIS (http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=228481)) whether it’s possible to change the page save directory in Opera Mini 4.1 after you’ve set it first. Contrary to the popular belief (you must reinstall it from scratch), it’s actually very easy to do this:

a. if you have originally selected a removable storage card as the target media, you only need to remove it before trying to save any page on it. Then, you’ll be prompted an error message and, on the next page saving attempt, you’ll be offered the chance of setting the new save directory. That is, if you’ve originally given Opera Mini a storage card, you can change the save path without any need for hexediting files.

b. if you have provided it with a movable / deletable directory in the built-in storage (or, for that matter, on the storage card), just move (cut / paste) the entire directory somewhere else on your device – or on your storage card. That is, if you’ve given \My Documents to it, just cut it with the built-in File Explorer and paste it to in any other subdirectory. (Of course, you’ll need to paste the directory back once you’re ready with the – failed – page saving attempt if it’s a directory used by other apps too – like \My Documents.)

3, if, for some reason, neither of the above-listed ways works, you’ll need to do some hexediting. To do this, search for the in the name of the directory in the \Windows\appdb\s?__d?.db files with, say, Total Commander (Alt-F7) on the desktop Windows and just change this occurrence to another directory with a hexeditor. An example showing changing \My Documents to \Storage Card with a hexeditor:

http://www.winmobiletech.com/sekalaiset/ChangePagesavepath1.png

http://www.winmobiletech.com/sekalaiset/ChangePagesavepath2.png

Again, it’ll be FAR easier to temporarily remove / move the directory than hexediting – only do the latter if you simply can’t (temporarily) delete the directory because you’ve given it, say, \Windows or some other, undeletable directory.

2. the native C++ version of the invocation script has been updated to be compliant with 4.1 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2088121&postcount=91). In addition, badbob001 has updated his MortScript to be compatible with 4.1 and he is also doing automatic (!!!) descriptor parsing & discovery to automatically find the current position of the OM deployment (just like the JZ SmartMort's brand new script I've reported on above), which, so far, needed to be done (once) by hand. See his updated script HERE (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2090371&postcount=95). Both advancements are discussed HERE (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=347689&page=10), starting with page 10 (post #91).

Quatz
6th April 2008, 01:24 PM
2. the native C++ version of the invocation script has been updated to be compliant with 4.1 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2088121&postcount=91). In addition, badbob001 has updated his MortScript to be compatible with 4.1 and he is also doing automatic (!!!) descriptor parsing & discovery to automatically find the current position of the OM deployment (just like the JZ SmartMort's brand new script I've reported on above), which, so far, needed to be done (once) by hand. See his updated script HERE (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2090371&postcount=95). Both advancements are discussed HERE (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=347689&page=10), starting with page 10 (post #91).

I am not sure if I understand this correctly. Does this make mi device able to use the virtual keyboard, even if the direct adres input is selected or does it has nothing to do with it?

Menneisyys
6th April 2008, 03:17 PM
I am not sure if I understand this correctly. Does this make mi device able to use the virtual keyboard, even if the direct adres input is selected or does it has nothing to do with it?

You mean the SIP? You can always assign it to a HW button so that, upon a keypress, it's briught up. If this is what you meant.

Read my Button Bible for more info.

Quatz
6th April 2008, 05:59 PM
You mean the SIP? You can always assign it to a HW button so that, upon a keypress, it's briught up. If this is what you meant.

Read my Button Bible for more info.Sorry, dont know the term SIP!
Where to find this Bible?

m0o5
6th April 2008, 06:42 PM
Sorry, dont know the term SIP!
Where to find this Bible?
A SIP is a software (on-screen) keyboard. SIP stands for 'Soft Input Panel'.

The Button Bible.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337602
(Google search: "xda dev button bible".)

Quatz
6th April 2008, 10:20 PM
Thanks, this helps a lot.
I have installed HBsettup and indeed, now I can toggle the SIP on and off when i use Direct Address input.
I am very happy now with Opera Mini !!

ninocass
7th April 2008, 04:49 PM
having issues with setting up the shortcut to start OM

I have as follows:

"\windows\jbed.exe" -run s1_

OM is the only midlet installed.

also there are NO .jar files in the /windows/appDB/ folder

thanks

EDIT:

did a quick reset and everthings working excellent :D

toto901
7th April 2008, 06:28 PM
Hey thanks for the share. Its really good, I am waiting for the stable version. :)

douginoz
10th April 2008, 03:07 AM
Apart from the intense marketing campaign of the moderator posting this thread, can someone give a brief comparison between this Opera Mini and the other Opera ("Opera Mobile"?) that runs on WM5/WM6? I don't get why I would want to run a java, stripped down browser when I can run Opera Mobile. Is it that Mini is intended for phones that can't run the full version, or should Mini be considered as a replacement for the other Operas that run on PDA phones (touchscreen phone/PDAs that run WM5/6).

Ideally an impartial perspective that isn't 5 posts long would be great

ccpraveen
10th April 2008, 05:29 AM
Continuing with the above discussion, while declaring full support for OM 4.1, I have a minor q to ask.

What is the best font you people use to view webpages in Opera Mini in your Windows Mobile devices?

I have used OM in Nokia phones S60v2 and v3, and I like v3 the most. Compared to that, I dont like the rendering that much in WM5 or WM6. The default fonts Nina, Segoe UI or Tahoma all make the font somewhat less pretty in my opinion. I know for WM Pro you can enable cleartype with varying results, but I use a Samsung BJ II (smartphone), and the default font rendering is irritating.

I now a days use Georgia and Thorndale AMT for good readabilty. I was looking for suggestions for better font readability, while not attempting to hijack this thread.

Thanks and regards

Steve

anubus12
10th April 2008, 08:46 PM
I've installed 4.1 and it looks great, However, a few points are anoying me.

When I start Opera and I type a new adres, the foll msg apear
"Untrusted application Opera Mini 4.1 wants to send or receive information from.... This will use airtime. Do you allow net access?"
Then the options to choose are:
o Yes, but ask me next time
o Yes, but ask me next session
There is no option: o Yes, dont ask me again ??

When I recall a saved page, I get the next msg "Untrusted application Opera Mini 4.1 wants to read data located on this device or removabl emedia. Do you allow read user data?
The only options are Yes or No. In the security option of Opera, there are settings about reading data. But there are only 2 options
o Ask
o Never allow
Also here, I miss the option: o Dont ask me again !

If I can fix those items, I would be very happy.

I have this same issue, but no matter what I do, I still get the 'untrusted....' warning. Anyone know how to fix it? I've reinstalled bot Jbed 3.1 and Opera 4.1 with no luck.

defcomg
11th April 2008, 02:19 AM
I have this same issue, but no matter what I do, I still get the 'untrusted....' warning. Anyone know how to fix it? I've reinstalled bot Jbed 3.1 and Opera 4.1 with no luck.

Download The Multiple Certifcate jad Works Fine for me no problems watsover.

Menneisyys
12th April 2008, 03:45 PM
UPDATE (04/12/2008):

1. I've continued using the current 4.1beta on my BlackBerry 8800. No lockups at all so far - as opposed to 4.0. Certainly VERY good news - the pretty frequent lockups with 4.0 were quite a pain in the back.

2. Several people have asked how the signed version of 4.1b should be used on Symbian S60 devices, particularly because previous posts (see for example THIS (http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=228137&t=1208006654&page=3#comment2514882)) in the official Opera Mini forum referred to earlier S60 versions. It's pretty simple: After deploying, go to Applications / App. Manager, scroll down to Opera Mini 4.1, press the Action button, select Open and change all occurrences of "Ask every time" (file system read/write operations, that is, "Read user data" and "Edit user data", will belong to this category) to "Always allowed". Then, just exit by pressing the right softkey two times.

BTW, it's also here that you may want to change "Ask first time" to "Always allowed" of "Connectivity" and "Network access" so that, after loading, you aren't nagged for network access permission at all.

3. As far as Windows Mobile is concerned, there is another, new version of Jbed 3.1, this time allowing for being installed on a storage card without any hacking (and, of course, it keeps all the other goodies: sound emulation, M3G etc.). I've very thoroughly tested it on both MS Smartphones and Pocket PC's (WM5 and WM6 alike, including even the latest WM6.1); it worked just great. It's available HERE (http://www.winmobiletech.com/092007MidletBible/Jbed.zip) for direct download. After decompressing the ZIP file, transfer the CAB file to your (WM5+) handset and execute it there.

Note that it doesn't create a link in Start Menu (not even when installed to the built-in storage); therefore, you'll need to manually create it. It's pretty simple: either copy (after, if you install Jbed on a storage card, changing "\Windows\jbed.exe" to "\Storage Card\Esmertec Java\jbed.exe" in it; if you're afraid of manually editing the file, I've created it for you; just right-click THIS (http://www.winmobiletech.com/092007MidletBible/Jbed%203.1%20-%20Storage%20Card.lnk) and select Download / Save) to \Windows\Start Menu\Programs (on a touchscreen-enabled Pocket PC) or \Windows\Start Menu (on a touchscreen-less MS Smartphone). On Pocket PC's, you can also go the usual way: go to the home directory (for example, \Storage Card\Esmertec Java), highlight jbed.exe, select Copy; go to the target directory (\Windows\Start Menu\Programs or any subdirectory of it) and select Edit / Paste Shortcut. Then, you may still want to rename the just-created .lnk file so that you can remove the "Shortcut to" prefix.

omarnone
13th April 2008, 12:35 PM
I still think 4.0 is way faster than the new 4.1?:confused: i don't no why but i have run them side by side and mini4 is much faster!!!

botson71
13th April 2008, 03:01 PM
UPDATE (04/05/2008):

1. I’ve tested the above (in the previous update) mentioned Jbed Java 3.1 20080222 (available HERE (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2053333&postcount=564); mirrored HERE (http://www.winmobiletech.com/sekalaiset/Esmertec%20Jbed%2020080222%203.1.cab) for your convenience). It runs flawlessly under WM5 (not only WM6). It supports 3D (tested with Need for speed carbon and Night Fever; neither of them run under the non-3D-capable Cloudyfa 2.1), (as usual, excellent) sound. It can’t be directly installed onto a storage card, however. (As with some older versions, it’s possible it can be hacked there, though, with some manual file copying and registry / start menu link rewriting – I haven’t tested this.)



3. As far as Windows Mobile is concerned, there is another, new version of Jbed 3.1, this time allowing for being installed on a storage card without any hacking (and, of course, it keeps all the other goodies: sound emulation, M3G etc.). I've very thoroughly tested it on both MS Smartphones and Pocket PC's (WM5 and WM6 alike, including even the latest WM6.1); it worked just great. It's available HERE for direct download. After decompressing the ZIP file, transfer the CAB file to your (WM5+) handset and execute it there.


I thing that the two Jbed versions you've mentioned are actually the same. The have the same cab names and sizes.

Given that, it's strange that you couldn't manage to install the first Jbed (the Noonski one) onto a storage card. I tested both of them, and they install without a problem in the storage card (at least on my PPC with WM6)

botson71
13th April 2008, 03:24 PM
Apart from the intense marketing campaign of the moderator posting this thread, can someone give a brief comparison between this Opera Mini and the other Opera ("Opera Mobile"?) that runs on WM5/WM6? I don't get why I would want to run a java, stripped down browser when I can run Opera Mobile. Is it that Mini is intended for phones that can't run the full version, or should Mini be considered as a replacement for the other Operas that run on PDA phones (touchscreen phone/PDAs that run WM5/6).

Ideally an impartial perspective that isn't 5 posts long would be great

Nice one! First you attack someone who has spent a considerable amount of time writing those "5 long posts" by saying that this is nothing more than an "intense marketing campaign", and then you ask for help from the members of this forum? Talking about ignorance and lack of "perspective"!

Here’s "an impartial perspective that isn't 5 posts long" for you:
- Forum > Search function > Opera Mini
- Forum > Search function > Opera Mobile

Perhaps that way you can find that the very same person who makes this "intense marketing campaign" has also said that the last version of Opera Mobile is the best browser ever (at least before the release of Opera Mini v4.0).

omarnone
13th April 2008, 10:22 PM
is Opera 9.5 out? if yes where? and is it better than mini4 & mini4.1?

Menneisyys
14th April 2008, 08:41 AM
Apart from the intense marketing campaign of the moderator posting this thread

1. Being free and marketing something (actually, recommending it more than the *commercial* browser of the same company) are pretty contradictory, aren't they? :)

2. as other posters have stated, just read what I've said about Opera Mobile 8.65 before the release of the first Opera Mini 4. Then, it was Opera Mobile that I recommended the most.


can someone give a brief comparison between this Opera Mini and the other Opera ("Opera Mobile"?) that runs on WM5/WM6?

Read section "1.1 Why you will want to use it?" in the 4.0 review ( http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=2302&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 ). Note that it compares 4.0 to 8.65. Both OMini 4.1 and OMobile 9.5 are more powerful than these older versions (page saving, in-page search, (much more) sophisticated address bar autocomplete etc.), but the relative merits have remained the same.



I don't get why I would want to run a java, stripped down browser when I can run Opera Mobile. Is it that Mini is intended for phones that can't run the full version, or should Mini be considered as a replacement for the other Operas that run on PDA phones (touchscreen phone/PDAs that run WM5/6).

Again, read the above section. While the Java version is indeed restricted in some ways (most importantly, it lacks "copy text from webpage" features and is incompatible with, for example, the Quote / Reply buttons of this very forum - let alone traditional shortcomings like the lack of Flash support), it's MUCH faster over slow connections and GREATLY helps reduce data usage costs. Furthermore, it supports Opera Link syncing. And, it's absolutely legal - unlike with leaked OMobile 9.5 CAB's ;)

Bottom line: Being based on Java doesn't necessarily mean being crap. With OMini 4.1, on the contrary...

Menneisyys
14th April 2008, 08:42 AM
is Opera 9.5 out? if yes where? and is it better than mini4 & mini4.1?

Just a leaked test version. Read my prev post.

Menneisyys
14th April 2008, 11:05 AM
I thing that the two Jbed versions you've mentioned are actually the same. The have the same cab names and sizes.

Given that, it's strange that you couldn't manage to install the first Jbed (the Noonski one) onto a storage card. I tested both of them, and they install without a problem in the storage card (at least on my PPC with WM6)

They're only different in the two desxcriptor files - that is, JBED20~1.000 and _setup.xml. The latter has %InstallDir% (and, now, after my finding the bug, proper quoting), while the former only wired-in \Windows.

delawaresace
14th April 2008, 07:43 PM
Opera Mini 4.1: FULL multiplatform tutorial & review



2, copy / paste doesn’t work. If you do need it (and you do have a compatible JVM – it’s only the non-recommended TAO that isn’t), you’ll need to switch to the regular, native JVM URL editor by pressing Delete (right softkey, shouldn’t you have a device with a built-in hardware back key like MS Smartphones) once and, then, go down to highlight "Insert Symbol":

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/om4insertsymblhighlight.png

Then, just press Action on it to get into the traditional URL input field, with the traditional menus.

3, textual input may be problematic on keyboards with combined numeric and alphabetical keys; for example, on the HTC Vox. In there, the numeric keys will always be considered as keypad numeric buttons; that is, they’ll input a for 1, d for button 2 etc. However, as they’re treated EXACTLY the same way as keypad buttons, you can still input any character or (with long-pressing) number with them. You’ll need to know the latter for numeric input with devices that have a separate numeric row (like the HTC Universal).

4, the Input Address field being new also results in the old system-level browser invocation script (http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=2334&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1) not working any more. To fix this,


either switch off the new direct input by just unticking the, by default, enabled "Direct address input" checkbox in Tools / Settings:

http://www.winmobiletech.com/042008OM41/OM41disabledirinut.png


or, alternatively, go for a modification of the current script version available HERE (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2082313&postcount=83). (Incidentally, note that, now, there’s a full C++ implementation of the invocation script HERE (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2048809&postcount=79). It’s still not compatible with 4.1 unless you untick "Direct address input" as explained above.)



OK, i got to the point where you said "just press Action" and got stuck. when iget to this point there is no Action button. just a white screen with OK and Menu at the bottom. what am i missing? i would love to use this feature.

i'm using the latest jbed and i have a sprint mogul running dcd 3.01 kitchen.

MobilePhoneUser
14th April 2008, 08:09 PM
You mean the SIP? You can always assign it to a HW button so that, upon a keypress, it's briught up. If this is what you meant.

Read my Button Bible for more info.

This isn't working for me. I installed HButton, but when I press the HW key assigned to <toggle SIP>, the SIP shows for a millisecond, then disappears and java exits (or minimizes).

How were you able to get this to work?

Menneisyys
14th April 2008, 08:40 PM
This isn't working for me. I installed HButton, but when I press the HW key assigned to <toggle SIP>, the SIP shows for a millisecond, then disappears and java exits (or minimizes).

How were you able to get this to work?

Are you using Jbed or Jblend? I'm pretty sure it's the latter because it can't run in the background.

MobilePhoneUser
14th April 2008, 08:48 PM
Are you using Jbed or Jblend? I'm pretty sure it's the latter because it can't run in the background.

I'm using Esmertec Jbed 20080222 3.1. In the java page where you can launch opera mini, there is an option to set opera mini to "Background Running". Is this what you're suggesting needs to be done?

I should also note that I'm running SPB Mobile Shell, and after I press the HW key and the SIP appears for a milisecond and disappears, I then just get taken back to SPB Mobile Shell.

Menneisyys
14th April 2008, 10:43 PM
try disabling the spb shell to see whether it helps

delawaresace
19th April 2008, 05:40 AM
anyone willing to help me understand?

JZ SmartMort
19th April 2008, 05:44 AM
anyone willing to help me understand?

Do you have opera mini installed? You're probably at the JBed menu which shows you a white screen because you have no Java apps installed. Go to http://operamini.com/beta download the 2 files, throw them on the phone somewhere and from the JBed "Menu" do an "Install" from Local

mobowhunter
19th April 2008, 06:36 AM
I DL the 4.1 beta multiple cert program from my Tilt IE - but the Operare Mini is not working. How can I uninstall this program and try again - I cannot find it in my remove programs listing. And yes I have searched around for the last couple hours trying to find something. Thanks for your time and help in advance.

JZ SmartMort
19th April 2008, 06:37 AM
I DL the 4.1 beta multiple cert program from my Tilt IE - but the Operare Mini is not working. How can I uninstall this program and try again - I cannot find it in my remove programs listing. And yes I have searched around for the last couple hours trying to find something. Thanks for your time and help in advance.

find jbed.exe and run it. On the right menu there's install/uninstall/action etc. take a look there.

mobowhunter
19th April 2008, 06:50 AM
JZ SmartMort - thank you that worked. What Mini vs would you recommend for my tilt. Thanks again for your help?

JZ SmartMort
19th April 2008, 06:54 AM
JZ SmartMort - thank you that worked. What Mini vs would you recommend for my tilt. Thanks again for your help?

Always go for new is my rule of thumb and downgrade if needed.

Menneisyys
19th April 2008, 07:22 PM
UPDATE (04/19/2008):

1. Unfortunately, it seems none of the Jbed 3.1 versions are able to run Opera Mini 4.1 beta on touchscreen-less MS Smartphones (but NOT on Pocket PC's!!!) if you switch to other apps (for example, the home screen) and, then, back, you will no longer be able to control Opera Mini. I've tested this on my WM5 s310 / Oxygen (major problems) and, with HTC's recently-released ROM upgrade, upgraded WM6 s710 / Vox (not that frequent problems but still annoying). At XDA-Devs, other people have also reported the same problem (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2129345&postcount=68) with their Smartphones.

If you do encounter problems like this and can't refrain from task switching, you'll want to downgrade to the Cloudyfa 2.1 version available HERE (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1483665&postcount=24). Note that it can safely co-exist with 3.1 if you've installed the latter in another directory (for example, on a storage card or a flash disk) - then, it's only the file associations that will be needed to, say, quickly switched if you don't want to manually deploy a MIDlet from inside the GUI of the specific MIDlet manager. That is, you don't need to delete Jbed 3.1 if you plan to keep it for example for M3G gaming.

Note that touchscreen-equipped Pocket PC's do NOT suffer from this problem!

2. Ebenezer has released a fixed version of his Jbed 3.1 MIDlet manager HERE (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2127317&postcount=65). Now, it does create a link file in Start Menu / Programs on both Pocket PC's and MS Smartphones. It also installs to any target media (not only "Storage Card"s) without problems. Note one caveat, though: the link file (the one the installer puts in the Start menu) has \Storage Card wired in, which doesn't work with any storage card (or flash disk) named other than "Storage Card". Hope this is fixed some time; in the meantime, just manually edit the link file to have the correct path.

Rytt55
19th April 2008, 09:38 PM
Um... for people using Non-Touch Screen Jbed 3.1 with Opera Mini.. Here is a tip when it gets stuck..

If you switch task, switch between Opera Mini and Homescreen or whatever sometimes get Mini stuck. BUT if you switch a 2nd or 3rd time, it becomes unstuck. Stick with Jbed 3.1 it's faster.

delawaresace
19th April 2008, 10:03 PM
Do you have opera mini installed? You're probably at the JBed menu which shows you a white screen because you have no Java apps installed. Go to http://operamini.com/beta download the 2 files, throw them on the phone somewhere and from the JBed "Menu" do an "Install" from Local

oh, i have mini up and running (4.1). my problem is with the word "Action". i don't have that menu option. i just don't understand what i'm missing. this is killing me because i really would like to get some form of cut and paste working on mini. it's really the only thing missing from this great browser.

JZ SmartMort
19th April 2008, 11:06 PM
oh, i have mini up and running (4.1). my problem is with the word "Action". i don't have that menu option. i just don't understand what i'm missing. this is killing me because i really would like to get some form of cut and paste working on mini. it's really the only thing missing from this great browser.

Action is the button in the middle of the (up-down-left-right) directional joystick (navigation pad) which is on every Windows Mobile device.

Coinstar99
23rd April 2008, 05:55 AM
So I've downloaded and installed Opera Mini 4.1 before on this same ROM that I am using on my Tilt, I am using the Official AT&T 6.1 Tilt Rom. When I download 4.1, it downloads, it installs fine, and then when I go to run the app the red bar moves across the screen and stops at about 90% and doesn't finish it just sits there. Every other version of Opera Mini is fine, 4 and 3 work great, but I liked 4.1 and would like to use it again, anyone able to help?

JZ SmartMort
23rd April 2008, 07:13 AM
So I've downloaded and installed Opera Mini 4.1 before on this same ROM that I am using on my Tilt, I am using the Official AT&T 6.1 Tilt Rom. When I download 4.1, it downloads, it installs fine, and then when I go to run the app the red bar moves across the screen and stops at about 90% and doesn't finish it just sits there. Every other version of Opera Mini is fine, 4 and 3 work great, but I liked 4.1 and would like to use it again, anyone able to help?

It's tricky but if you know what you're doing, you can try it with different JBed packs out there...

GpsPasSion
4th May 2008, 06:42 PM
New version is nice, couple of problems though :
1. Can't select text, hum...that's a big one !
2. Virtual keyboard doesn't pop-up, it did in v4.0. Will try a button trick.

Gotta love the lightnes though compared to NetFront 3.5 beta.

wmdunn
4th May 2008, 10:41 PM
New version is nice, couple of problems though :
1. Can't select text, hum...that's a big one !
2. Virtual keyboard doesn't pop-up, it did in v4.0. Will try a button trick.

Gotta love the lightnes though compared to NetFront 3.5 beta.

Tools....settings.....disable direct access input...

Taninpv
4th May 2008, 10:57 PM
Sorry, this maybe stupid. But hence I haven't been reading about Opera Browser.
I installed Opera 9.5, and have been happy with it.
But just came across this topic, so I have to ask this stupid question.
How is Opera Mini 4.1 in comparision to Opera 9.5 mobile?

GpsPasSion
4th May 2008, 11:20 PM
Tools....settings.....disable direct access input...Thanks! Just need to be able to select text now ;-)

Menneisyys
5th May 2008, 09:50 AM
Sorry, this maybe stupid. But hence I haven't been reading about Opera Browser.
I installed Opera 9.5, and have been happy with it.
But just came across this topic, so I have to ask this stupid question.
How is Opera Mini 4.1 in comparision to Opera 9.5 mobile?

Read my comparison in the 4.0 review linked to from the article

Menneisyys
13th May 2008, 03:05 PM
The final version of Opera Mini 4.1, one of the best Web browsers available, has just been released; see THIS (http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=232316) for more info. I’ll post a detailed multiplatform review in some days, after having used it for some time on all my three mobile operating systems.

Menneisyys
13th May 2008, 03:05 PM
The final version of Opera Mini 4.1, one of the best Web browsers available, has just been released; see THIS (http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=232316) for more info. I’ll post a detailed multiplatform review in some days, after having used it for some time on all my three moThe final version of Opera Mini 4.1, one of the best Web browsers available, has just been released; see THIS (http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=232316) for more info. I’ll post a detailed multiplatform review in some days, after having used it for some time on all my three mobile operating systems.bile operating systems.

tonyeltigre
21st May 2008, 05:43 PM
how in the world do you find a signed version, why in the hell does opera push unsigned version. I love the browser but god that company is a joke

badbob001
21st May 2008, 06:38 PM
how in the world do you find a signed version, why in the hell does opera push unsigned version. I love the browser but god that company is a joke

Signed versions are only available if you browse to their website with your mobile browser. Their website checks the browser user-agent of your browser and if it detects the browser user-agent from a desktop browser, it will only show you the download page for the unsigned versions. You could modify your desktop browser user-agent if you really need to download it to your pc first.

Not exactly sure what is the reasoning behind this...

benksee
21st May 2008, 06:54 PM
why "save page" in opera mini can't run in my atom?
thanks

tonyeltigre
21st May 2008, 06:58 PM
Signed versions are only available if you browse to their website with your mobile browser. Their website checks the browser user-agent of your browser and if it detects the browser user-agent from a desktop browser, it will only show you the download page for the unsigned versions. You could modify your desktop browser user-agent if you really need to download it to your pc first.

Not exactly sure what is the reasoning behind this...



Well i installed operamini from PIE last week on my HTC Excalibur and i still get the prompts to allow access every session.

So i assumed it was because my version was unsigned

so yeah, all the 4.1 versions are unsigned from the opera site. i dont know how you guys are finding signed versions, kinda frustrating



Also, opera closes everytime i minimize, is there a way to change that?

badbob001
21st May 2008, 08:57 PM
Well i installed operamini from PIE last week on my HTC Excalibur and i still get the prompts to allow access every session.

So i assumed it was because my version was unsigned

Try this:

On the device, go to http://mini.opera.com
The version shown is probably 4.1 US English, No signature, which what you don't want so don't download that. If you're fine with the chosen language, skip to step 5. Otherwise, see the next step.
Click Download in another language.
Now of list of all language versions appear so choose one. I prefer to download Opera Mini 4.1 International for foreign language websites.
Click 'If this version fails to install or you would like to install a previous version, please click here.'
Choose the signed version you want. Tried the signed and unsigned versions and both are 4.1.11320, 20080514.


Yeah, it's pretty screwed up.

orithm
21st May 2008, 10:17 PM
Sorry, this maybe stupid. But hence I haven't been reading about Opera Browser.
I installed Opera 9.5, and have been happy with it.
But just came across this topic, so I have to ask this stupid question.
How is Opera Mini 4.1 in comparision to Opera 9.5 mobile?

I guess you have 9.33 not 9.5.

Mini is best overall browser IMO I think official 9.5 release may encompass features of mini. The main thing is 1. speed even on slow connections (as compresses via opera servers) 2. zoom - you can view real web pages

What mini lacks is java/download/decent input abilities. But still best browser so far.

tonyeltigre
21st May 2008, 11:04 PM
Try this:

On the device, go to http://mini.opera.com
The version shown is probably 4.1 US English, No signature, which what you don't want so don't download that. If you're fine with the chosen language, skip to step 5. Otherwise, see the next step.
Click Download in another language.
Now of list of all language versions appear so choose one. I prefer to download Opera Mini 4.1 International for foreign language websites.
Click 'If this version fails to install or you would like to install a previous version, please click here.'
Choose the signed version you want. Tried the signed and unsigned versions and both are 4.1.11320, 20080514.


Yeah, it's pretty screwed up.

thanks man, thats pretty convoluted

Menneisyys
22nd May 2008, 06:15 AM
What mini lacks is java/download/decent input abilities. But still best browser so far.


1. JavaScript you mean. It IS supported, to a degree, by Mini. (Java applets aren't supported by either.)
2. Opera Mini DOES support download. Read my review.
3. you mean the lack of in-line input? That's indeed a problem - but, after all, you only need one additional Action press to switch to/from the OS text input area.

JZ SmartMort
26th May 2008, 09:10 AM
Announcing JZ SmartMort v1.3

This version has a lot of enhancements, please read the release notes below.

Get it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382043 or on SourceForge (http://sourceforge.net/projects/jzsmartmort)


v1.3 *** 2008-05-25

- Created a CAB file for distribution. If upgrading, please remove or rename the entire JZ folder. To install the CAB your phone will need to be uncertified app-unlocked. You can use this standalone utility: http://www.gpcarreon.com/?p=151

- Mort has allowed me to distribute his FREE MortScript, when you install JZ SmartMort it will place Mort's CAB files in the "MortScript Installs" folder, found underneath your JZ install location. This makes it easier to install all components necessary to run my software w/o having to download more from the web.

- CAB file will create a Start Menu shortcut for JZ Installer.

- Pulled out the .Net executable file from the pack, found a MortScript workaround instead.

- Storing everything in the registry. Optimized scripts for light memory usage and speed.

- Added PPC support to map the JZ Action script to the Application 2 hardware button.

- Added NetFront 3.5 support and verified all Opera Mini versions above 3.1

- Default browser has a timeout now which is user defined, default is 5 seconds.

- Opera Mini enhancements: 8 paste methods, adjust trim units, use different methods to pop the Opera Mini URL input screen and enable/disable "Auto-Complete Address Input"

- Ability to create the Opera Mini shortcut on your Start Menu.

- You can use the action/button mapped script to choose a JBed/Java app from a list. Added a JBed security prompt patcher along with the Application Unlocker which is also a part of the pack.

- HELPERS folder underneath the JZ installation area has scripts to reset device, kill voice notes, list JBed apps to run, Kill IE & Kill MortScript.exe.

- Ability to reset JZ SmartMort settings.

- Ability to select with cursor & copy to the clipboard (will ask how many seconds to allow cursor selection)

JZ SmartMort
7th July 2008, 11:00 PM
Announcing JZ SmartMort v1.4!

Now you can use JZ SmartMort to make Opera Mini a default system-level browser with ability use other installed browsers side-by-side!


Have a look at the screenshots of JZ SmartMort, available HERE (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382043) or at SourceForge (http://sourceforge.net/projects/jzsmartmort). Below are the prominent features that the software offers.

Copy / Paste
Clipboard / URL history
Multi-browser (Opera Mini, Opera Mobile, NetFront, Skyfire, Internet Explorer)
Make any installed browser system-level, where it opens links from anywhere. Ability to have a default browser (with a special timeout in case you want to open a link with a non-default browser).
Hardware buttons - supports Pocket PCs & SmartPhones for advanced hardware button mapping.
Opera Mini - shortcut on the Start Menu, different paste & URL handling methods to accommodate different phones.
JBed - create Start Menu shortcuts for any JBed app, run JBed App directly using JZ SmartMort, troubleshoot your JBed installation.
Ability to open synced Mobile Favorites with any browser, process killing and many other interesting features.
Includes general tweaks and hacks which will keep growing

Revisions:
v1.4 *** 2008-07-07

- Created help files.

- Browser: Skyfire fully compatible now, new scan/detection with fail-over paths (if browsers references don't exist in the usual locations like the registry). If default browser timeout is set to zero, the JZ Browser prompt will be bypassed entirely.

- Opera Mini: full-screen, kill JBed option, multiple URL & pasting options.

- Lots of new options for button mapping. All known registry and link file button hacks now integrated to allow virtually any command to be called up. Also provides ability to create a CUSTOM link file from scratch.

- Changed menus to include menu-returns for easy navigation and better user friendliness. Added letters to Action menu as qwerty keyboard shortcuts.

- Phone-specific menu under JZ Settings which expands button mapping for BlackJack II (Samsung i617) CV/MediaNet buttons, as well as, AT&T Tilt (HTC Kaiser) PTT & Long-PTT buttons. More will be added.

- Creation of Start Menu shortcuts & opening of JBed applications w/o needing to open JBed first.

- 3 different methods under JZ Settings > JZ Misc. Options for opening Favorites. Save a Favorite from the JZ Browser script when you pop a link.

- Incorporated VitoCopyPaste with a timeout to return your directional pad action button back to normal.

- Various speed & optimization considerations incorporated.

- Function to deal with MortScript losing focus (e.g. when Home is pressed while Mort choice menu is running).

mrbelvedere
5th August 2008, 05:32 AM
Try this:

On the device, go to http://mini.opera.com
The version shown is probably 4.1 US English, No signature, which what you don't want so don't download that. If you're fine with the chosen language, skip to step 5. Otherwise, see the next step.
Click Download in another language.
Now of list of all language versions appear so choose one. I prefer to download Opera Mini 4.1 International for foreign language websites.
Click 'If this version fails to install or you would like to install a previous version, please click here.'
Choose the signed version you want. Tried the signed and unsigned versions and both are 4.1.11320, 20080514.


Yeah, it's pretty screwed up.

Thank you very much for breaking this down! It's real frustrating tryna find a damned signed version!

mrbelvedere
5th August 2008, 05:38 AM
Try this:

On the device, go to http://mini.opera.com
The version shown is probably 4.1 US English, No signature, which what you don't want so don't download that. If you're fine with the chosen language, skip to step 5. Otherwise, see the next step.
Click Download in another language.
Now of list of all language versions appear so choose one. I prefer to download Opera Mini 4.1 International for foreign language websites.
Click 'If this version fails to install or you would like to install a previous version, please click here.'
Choose the signed version you want. Tried the signed and unsigned versions and both are 4.1.11320, 20080514.


Yeah, it's pretty screwed up.

Thank you very much for breaking this down! It's real frustrating tryna find a damned signed version!

billu
5th August 2008, 01:44 PM
I have tried the uk english and international signed versions but it keeps coming back with unable to verify digital signature, I have the stock WM6 t-mobile rom on a MDA Vario iii (Kaiser)

RobTheRover
31st August 2008, 05:18 AM
Yeah, I get the error message relating to the certificate too.

Anyone got this working, or have a workaround?

JZ SmartMort
23rd September 2008, 05:43 AM
Announcing JZ SmartMort v1.4.2
Get it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382043 or on SourceForge (http://sourceforge.net/projects/jzsmartmort)

Great support for Skyfire (PPC/SmartPhone editions) and Torch Mobile's Iris Browser with the new 1.4.2 version of JZ SmartMort!!!

v1.4.2 *** 2008-09-21

- Added support for Torch Mobile's Iris Browser.

- Added support for Skyfire SmartPhone edition and modified Skyfire PPC pixel seeking logic when bar is shown and hidden.

- Added multiple Skyfire paste & open URL methods.

- Separated versions of Opera Mobile 8 & 9. Users can have both installed on the device and detected separately by JZ SmartMort.

- IME keyboard driver manipulation for Opera Mini to help pasting in some cases.

- Added option to Pin Last Used Browser as Default. JZ SmartMort will use the last selected browser and set that browser as default for the next time JZ Browser script is opened.

- Added FakeCursor to allow SmartPhone users ability to use more PPC geared applications.

- Added partial JZ SmartMort resets rather than the previously available full reset.

- Added BlackJack II button mapping for the updated WM 6.1 ROM. Both WM 6.0 & 6.1 OS versions are supported for button mapping on BJII.