vibrating alert

[responderman]

I took my ameo apart the other day to fix a speaker and noticed that it had i slot for a vibrating alert. so I took apart my old dead o2 xda ii and the motor fitted in perfectly, trouble is the ameo has no software to switch it on so its useless on the whole. does anyone know of a way to add this missing software? as it is built into the rom it would be hard to add seeing how its never had one anyway.

Jay

[tootallk2000]

This was brought up in a previous thread. But i've seen in the past something that enabled you to change profile, with the option to turn vibrate on adn off. I can't remember where I seen it though. Do a search maybe you'll come up luckier than me.

[frenchydk]

Hi, perhaps it can help : some skins of WISBAR Advance show the option.
But this doesn't mean it can really activate it...

[responderman]

its strange, its all setup for the motor inside, its as if they changed there mind last moment. it would be handy in my job to have it working, I guess the only real way is to take the software out of another rom with one and install it into the athena rom. i will keep searching.

jay

[responderman]

Hi, perhaps it can help : some skins of WISBAR Advance show the option.
But this doesn't mean it can really activate it...

wisebar is just the wallpaper for the real software behind I think, I dont think it is much trouble to add the button but its the rest. just because the slot and track is there, maybe some of the components are missing also. But im guessing here

[dieterpapa]

Maybe vibrating alarm and the built-in microdrive won't like each other ?

Dieter

[responderman]

Maybe vibrating alarm and the built-in microdrive won't like each other ?

Dieter

I think that that is the most likely answer. I'm sure it would be OK at first but could damage things in the end,

[weaselcossey]

I also remember reading about this somewhere. Seems like someone said vibrate was going to be incorporated, but was not because of the microdrive. I saw a vibrating motor that was only 3mm x 11mm. Maybe less vibrate would have less effect on the drive. Software though, hmmmmmmmm.......

[raskell]

I also remember reading about this somewhere. Seems like someone said vibrate was going to be incorporated, but was not because of the microdrive. I saw a vibrating motor that was only 3mm x 11mm. Maybe less vibrate would have less effect on the drive. Software though, hmmmmmmmm.......

The Better solution and answer provided some time ago was to make a recording of another device vibrating (i.e.: sitting on a desk or table) then using that audio file as the ringtone. It won't shake the innards of your Athena and if anyone in a meeting or where ever hears it, they wouldn't likely know the difference. :)

[eagle 1]

The Better solution and answer provided some time ago was to make a recording of another device vibrating (i.e.: sitting on a desk or table) then using that audio file as the ringtone. It won't shake the innards of your Athena and if anyone in a meeting or where ever hears it, they wouldn't likely know the difference. :)

I just don't understand people who say the vibrating sound thing is a solution. If the pda is in your pocket, how does the vibrate sound let you know you have a call. You do not even hear it. It is the actual vibration that would let you know you have a call. i would give up the microdrive in a second for a real vibrate mode!

And besides hearing a vibrating phone in a meeting is just as bad as hearing it ring. So the idea would be to notify you that you have a call and others would not hear it.

[raskell]

I just don't understand people who say the vibrating sound thing is a solution. If the pda is in your pocket, how does the vibrate sound let you know you have a call. You do not even hear it. It is the actual vibration that would let you know you have a call. i would give up the microdrive in a second for a real vibrate mode!

And besides hearing a vibrating phone in a meeting is just as bad as hearing it ring. So the idea would be to notify you that you have a call and others would not hear it.

If you are putting Athena in your pocket, you must be a BIG person or wear oversized clothes. IMHO Athean is not a pocket device (too big), but having the sound of a vibrating phone with the volume towards low is only audible very near the device. I would agree with your comment on being annoying if it were on loud. Perhaps those who absolutely want to vibrate should look towards the X7510 which has the 16GB flash instead of uDrive, and work on the hack to make it available as a ring setting.

[jas_pik]

Try to use standard HTC Home - it has possibility to choose vibra tone ( but I'm not shure if it send signal to vibra)

[rhedgehog]

If you are putting Athena in your pocket, you must be a BIG person or wear oversized clothes.

lol :D

As it happens, I'm 6 foot 3 and weigh around 23 stone (325 lbs) so i meet both of those criteria. I have no problem with fitting this thing in my pocket.
Still, i don't do it cos i don't want to forget it's in there and crack the screen if i sit on it! Personally, vibration is not a problem for me, cos if I'm in a meeting or somewhere I can't answer the phone, i put it on silent and deal with everything afterwards.

Just because I CAN be contacted at any time on my mobile, doesn't necessarily mean that I WANT to be contacted.....

off topic :Woot! 100 posts.....

[techntrek]

I almost posted this yesterday and didn't, but I feel the need to back up eagle 1. A recording of a vibrating phone is not a solution. I need vibrate here: in the car with the radio turned up, in a meeting, in a movie or performance theater. A quiet buzzing recording will be missed every time. There are times when I must be available, like when the kids are home with a babysitter.

The fact that HTC designed vibrate into our phones and then left it out is a real shame. I too would have given up the MD to get vibrate.

[Confucious]

The Athena fit's quite nicely in my suite jacket pocket, or, indeed, the inside pocket of my leather jacket - either way, when I'm out I often can't hear the ring but would be able to feel a vibrate.

[raskell]

Ok Guys, based on your scenarios, here are some vibrating bluetooth options.

http://www.netpcdirect.co.uk/bluetooth_vibrating_bracelet.php

Bracelet, watch, wear it while driving, in a meeting, at the movies. . . . .

And if you don't want to tie up yout bluetooth, there is this gizmo:
http://www.potomactech.com/browse/telephones/telephone-accessories/100.phtml

[KaiDream]

If you are putting Athena in your pocket, you must be a BIG person or wear oversized clothes. IMHO Athean is not a pocket device (too big), but having the sound of a vibrating phone with the volume towards low is only audible very near the device. I would agree with your comment on being annoying if it were on loud. Perhaps those who absolutely want to vibrate should look towards the X7510 which has the 16GB flash instead of uDrive, and work on the hack to make it available as a ring setting.

Actually the Athena fits pretty good in a coat pocket and even better if you ditch the keyboard and cover. When I am out I do this along with carrying the Style-i.

[techntrek]

raskell - that's why I bought the Jabra BT8010 which has vibrate, although the motor is so small I sometimes miss it when its in the pocket of my jeans. Not as good as an industrial-strength vibrate would have been built-in to the Athena.

[raskell]

Hey, the more vibrating accessories you can get, the better your chance of not missing a call! :D

[juiceppc]

I would suggest making a Mortscript with a vibrate command. I'm not sure what component Mortscript relies on to vibrate but it seems it's incorporated into itself.

Now, my question is did you see any place to slip in an earpiece? :)

[wgary]

Bluetooth watch with vibrating options:
http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/mbw-150classicedition?cc=us&lc=en

Excellent software support for Athena and Windows Mobile:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362218

Vibrates on a wide range of notifications (incoming call, incoming e-mail or SMS, appointment reminder, ...) and much, much, more.

[responderman]

I would suggest making a Mortscript with a vibrate command. I'm not sure what component Mortscript relies on to vibrate but it seems it's incorporated into itself.

Now, my question is did you see any place to slip in an earpiece? :)


The short answer is no, but you could do away with one of the speakers and put it where it came from. this leaves you with all sorts of problems as a result. you still need one speaker for a ring alert, but if you put an ear piece in it the sound still comes out of the other speaker. it just gets to much involved to be worth it. also there would need to be some software in the rom to switch off the remaining speaker in a call. You could add micro switch to switch off the speaker as you answer the call, but you would then have to prior to answering a call......get out the phone answer the call and switch off the speaker as well. poor sod on the other end will be long gone:( Its just not going to be a normal phone! I will just stick to a bluetooth headset.

Jay

[responderman]

lol :D

As it happens, I'm 6 foot 3 and weigh around 23 stone (325 lbs) so i meet both of those criteria. I have no problem with fitting this thing in my pocket.
Still, i don't do it cos i don't want to forget it's in there and crack the screen if i sit on it! Personally, vibration is not a problem for me, cos if I'm in a meeting or somewhere I can't answer the phone, i put it on silent and deal with everything afterwards.

Just because I CAN be contacted at any time on my mobile, doesn't necessarily mean that I WANT to be contacted.....

off topic :Woot! 100 posts.....

Me too! Im 6'7" or just over 200cm and weigh 18 stone and hands like shovels. I make the athena look like a normal size phone:rolleyes:

Jay

[raskell]

Me too! Im 6'7" or just over 200cm and weigh 18 stone and hands like shovels. I make the athena look like a normal size phone:rolleyes:

Jay

LOL, you big Anglos! :)

Must be Viking in your ancestry!

[Confucious]

Me too! Im 6'7" or just over 200cm and weigh 18 stone and hands like shovels. I make the athena look like a normal size phone:rolleyes:

Jay

'Uck me - When you said you put your feet up on the dash I didn't realise you were sitting in the back....

;)

[responderman]

'Uck me - When you said you put your feet up on the dash I didn't realise you were sitting in the back....

;)

:DAnd dont forget the PT has this BIG SOD looking down on them, just when they are feeling at there worst:p

[responderman]

LOL, you big Anglos! :)

Must be Viking in your ancestry!

Its true we do have viking ancestry, so there!

[juiceppc]

Haha this thread got funny with the size of the user description. I'm about 6'3" at 210lb. Not too large with bigger hands but my fingers are nimble so I don't have problems with small or large devices. With that said I'd be totally OK holding an Athena up to my ear. But alas, I can not. I think if I get an Advantage I'm going to gut a cheap bluetooth headset and make my own attachment on the back to where I could hold it up to my ear and not have to worry about losing or carry around a BT headset. Remember the guy who reassembled a BT headset into his glove and was talking on his hand?! Same concept. Only prob then would be having to keep BT on all the time draining battery. But I think I have a solution for that. Have SKSchema running in the background and when a call comes in have it flip on BT then. Then shut it off after the call disconnects. Nice. :) I'm gettin one... Another cool thing with talking on the Advantage

[responderman]

OK then, ive been having a bit of a think. the phone still rings with a wired headset in. So there may be a way of using the ear phone socket and fitting the earpeice internal. however it would silence the speaker for other applications. so it would still need a switch to put it on speaker.

Jay the giant paramedic

[AllGamer]

if it were me, i would probably set a small switch

to transfer the speaker power to the vibrate motor, and back to the internal speaker when desired

pretty much that will do:
mute = vibrate
sound = vibrate off

no option to have both.

so whenever you ring tone is playing, it will automatically run the motor based on the ring tones current flow.

does anyone have a link to any place that sells those old PDA cell phone parts for the motor that fits in our Athenas ??

[dj_gabzz]

sounds cool, but doesnt that mess up your soundcard chip?? i mean yes it will run but how long will the chip hold..



if it were me, i would probably set a small switch

to transfer the speaker power to the vibrate motor, and back to the internal speaker when desired

pretty much that will do:
mute = vibrate
sound = vibrate off

no option to have both.

so whenever you ring tone is playing, it will automatically run the motor based on the ring tones current flow.

does anyone have a link to any place that sells those old PDA cell phone parts for the motor that fits in our Athenas ??

[techntrek]

Won't run at all. The motor requires full battery voltage and high current (probably a half-amp). The small speakers require much lower voltage and much lower current.

[AllGamer]

Won't run at all. The motor requires full battery voltage and high current (probably a half-amp). The small speakers require much lower voltage and much lower current.

what if we install a smaller motor, that uses less amp?

[PBL1]

what if we install a smaller motor, that uses less amp?

no need, the motor gets driven by the battery (Vcc and -Tracks) a transistor or a gate will switch it on and off.

[ranj9119]

vibration in athena causes scratches on magnetic disk in microdrive... as i read somwhere...

[AllGamer]

that wouldn't be an issue for the X7510 that uses flash memory

[eaglesteve]

that wouldn't be an issue for the X7510 that uses flash memory

Which was one of the reasons why I was so disappointed with the supposedly replacement model - to have left this out, and not having embedded earpiece at the very least.

[cktlcmd]

To be honest, because HTC failed to deliver a better updated device for owners of the X7500 and X7501 coupled with the release of newer HTC phones, the sales of the Updated X7510 are not that good. Heck...we can still count the number of people posting that they have the X7510 with the digit extensions of both our hands and feet. Up until now, I still have not heard any phone operators willing to take the X7510 in their line besides TMobile Germany.

My fear is... because of this, HTC might drop the Advantage line. :( Which I hope won't happen, as I want to see a better 5 inch screen PDA Phone than my X7510.

[techntrek]

eaglesteve and cktlcmd - I completely agree. There were 4 or 5 major upgrades they could have made (vibrate and private earpiece being 2 of them, flash drive another, a few more buttons including red/green, and maybe a widescreen aspect ratio which would have made it easier to hold as a phone but would also have given more screen area). The 7510 gives only one of those upgrades - and then takes away most of the buttons!

Gee, I wonder why its not selling.

[PBL1]

eaglesteve and cktlcmd - I completely agree. There were 4 or 5 major upgrades they could have made (vibrate and private earpiece being 2 of them, flash drive another, a few more buttons including red/green, and maybe a widescreen aspect ratio which would have made it easier to hold as a phone but would also have given more screen area). The 7510 gives only one of those upgrades - and then takes away most of the buttons!

Gee, I wonder why its not selling.

Lol an Omnia with a decent 5" VGA screen

[cktlcmd]

Lol an Omnia with a decent 5" VGA screen

Yes, the Omnia has a very appealing specs, but the screen resolution is disappointing. :(

I am glad though that Samsung joined the Windows Mobile team, it will definitely boost up HTC's competitiveness. :) Thus more powerful devices for us.

[techntrek]

Hadn't heard of the OMNIA yet. Definitely interesting specs, until you see that 240 x 400 screen resolution. Make it a 4 to 5 inch screen with VGA, add USB host and video output and the Athena would be old news.

[AllGamer]

the only reason i got the 7510 was due the screen size, i grew tired of the small 3" and less screens

i'll even consider the iphone screen to be not enough for my taste now.

i use the internet on the road a lot, is a hell of a pain browsing in a small screen.

a laptop is useless battery life is aprox less than 3 hours, and weight soo much more, most doesn't even support 3G and phone build in.

i think i can live without vibrate, since my Jabra BT8010 has build in vibrate which works pretty damn good

LOL :D the first time freaked the shit out of me
i was like WTF! the headset is alive! it's transforming!...

[optigrouch]

Maybe the vibrating motor is missing for a good reason.
Hard drives are such delicate pieces of engineering.
Any one put a vibe-er in AND found the way to drive it yet?
Back up ur hard drive regularly! Know what I mean.

[Janis]

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=363477&highlight=vibrating


I dropped my x7501 not too long ago and toasted the "micro"drive, which conked out on me every two weeks anyway thanks to drivers (I'm guessing), so I've been thinking about putting a vib motor in, too. Glad to hear it's possible

It would be ideal if I could find some sort of flash replacement for the drive, like a MD-shaped sleeve to put a mini pr micro SD into....

[Janis]

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=363477&highlight=vibrating

[jimmunsw]

Hi there !

I just like to add this - maybe Htc didn't put the vibrate mode into the x7501 and now the x7510 is because the device is quite heavy , therefore you need a very big motor to sufficiently vibrate to make the user realise it's vibrating , and because of that it consumes a lot of battery . Maybe because of this , Htc opted out it's vibrate mode . Also if you put in a big motor , maybe the hard vibrating will eventually damage the microdrive of the device . True or not ? It is up to you to comment further .
Thanks for reading - jimmunsw :)

[techntrek]

There's a location for the vibrating motor, its existed since the 7500. The general consensus is they left it out due to microdrive issues. However, when they moved to the solid state drive on the 7510 they never put the motor back in, so only they know the real reason.

[nor11wan]

Hi there,need some help here,had just bought a used 7501,the volume is fixed to
vibrate/silent,and there is no sound coming from the unit,how do I get rid of the file "vibrate/silent" and revert back to default mode "volume on/off"
tke