QUALCOMM(R) 7201 chip on my Tilt.

[sharpja]

I just received a warranty replacement for my ATT Tilt (reception problem, it would drop signal and not pick it up again, not in a 3g area). I checked the device info to see if they had preloaded the updated rom--they did--and in the hardware section they listed the chip as a 7201, not a 7200 like my old one.

So, what is the difference between the 7200 and the 7201? I did a seach and couldn't really find anything.

Thanks.

[mikeeey]

o wow this may be very important actually.
have you noticed any graphical improvement?

[sharpja]

o wow this may be very important actually.
have you noticed any graphical improvement?

I must admit, sheepishly, that I haven't done anything with it yet. I don't have time to string out the restore process, and I don't want to just restore from a backup, so I'm collecting all the cabs I need, at the moment. I should have it up completely tomorrow night.

Is there any file or anything I should be looking for?

[sharpja]

I must admit, sheepishly, that I haven't done anything with it yet. I don't have time to string out the restore process, and I don't want to just restore from a backup, so I'm collecting all the cabs I need, at the moment. I should have it up completely tomorrow night.

Is there any file or anything I should be looking for?

OK,

I ran VSBenchmark--sound off--and got the following:

graphics: 1254
Others: 2178
JPEG: 2612
games: 1540
Sound: 0592
final score: 1635

so according to this, it's not any faster.

[mikeeey]

ugh..who knows.. maybe its nothing lol.
but i thought i remember hearing that the P6500 had this chip or something?

[Anguysh]

I just got my tilt last week and it also has the 7201 not any faster than other tilts though:(

[ChumleyEX]

o wow this may be very important actually.
have you noticed any graphical improvement?

For some reason this reply really makes me laugh inside. What your seeing is (my guess) the oem chip number finally being shown. This is the chip with the video gpu turned off. Why does everyone think it's going to be something better?

[NotATreoFan]

This is the chip with the video gpu turned off.

/cry... Seriously, I've given up hoping for awesome video performance from my Tilt. I'm running Dutty's latest release and it is plenty fast enough for me. I barely use my phone for talking, let alone video playback. We'll just have to wait for the Xperia to come out. :p

[sharpja]

For some reason this reply really makes me laugh inside. What your seeing is (my guess) the oem chip number finally being shown. This is the chip with the video gpu turned off. Why does everyone think it's going to be something better?

I was afraid of that. So, same chip, but new number to reflect what we <i>really</i> have.

[ChumleyEX]

In my not so humble opinion, I would say that maybe Qualcomm caught enough heat from people like us that they started requiring new phone to go out with the 7201 name instead of the 7200. Now they will have something to fall back on. Also the way that HTC has worded some of their replies to us just gives me the impression that this chip has been modded for them. Which is normal.

[mikeeey]

For some reason this reply really makes me laugh inside. What your seeing is (my guess) the oem chip number finally being shown. This is the chip with the video gpu turned off. Why does everyone think it's going to be something better?
hey i was thinking that too, either improvement, or a big nail thru the processor disabling any possible drivers.

[Macgyvec3]

I just got my new Tilt from at&t today for a warranty swap. I checked it out hoping there would be a new ROM release on it. There wasn't. I checked the Device Info and to my surprise it was a different chip. Normally it's the 7200. This one has the 7201. I am wondering if this is common where some Kaisers come with the 7201 or if it's a new release. I searched Google and was unable to find any info. Here are some pictures.

I'm unsure that it's anything but I have noticed that my new tilt runs much faster and smoother. There could be a few different reasons but my old one never seemed to run this fast.

I am using the at&t wm6.1 test rom on both.

[P1Tater]

Here is mine. Thats odd. I haven't seen that. Maybe someone can clarify.

[idj1975]

Here is mine. Thats odd. I haven't seen that. Maybe someone can clarify.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=385347

Multiple people saying it. Someone else said it's an OEM spin w/ the graphics disabled...

[bapssystupr3m3]

hmm my tytnII is 7200 as well...maybe tilts have 7201?

81401

[Toodeep]

my tilt is 7200

[Macgyvec3]

I just got my warranty replacement today and it too has the 7201 chip. I couldn't find this thread so I started my own.

Mine seems faster and smoother. Significantly. It's possible it's because of something I did to my old Tilt but I really don't think I did anything but it's possible. I'm benchmarking in coreplayer and I'll try spb benchmark, but it's not likely i'll find anything.....

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2121403#post2121403

[Macgyvec3]

When I say significantly, I don't mean like it has the drivers. It just feels much faster.

[P1Tater]

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=385347

Multiple people saying it. Someone else said it's an OEM spin w/ the graphics disabled...

My bad. I didnt realize that was what that thread was about. I haven't even looked in it until you linked it. My apologies.

[Macgyvec3]

My coreplayer test were inconclusive. My new tilt came out ahead but by very little after a few runs. Every time it was more but not by much.

[xxfoolxx]

7201 here. got the tilt about 2 weeks ago. no experience with a 7200 unit, so nothing for comparison.

[Macgyvec3]

Ran a few tests with coreplayer and my new tilt and my old tilt. Each time it came out ahead but not by much. Going to try Spb benchmark just for kicks.

[_Alex_]

Hope you don't mind, I merged the 'different chip' and 'Qualcomm(r) 7201 on my Tilt' thread together.

[rhov23]

How can they give you a different product back without telling you?

You bought the device with the 7200, and now they give you 7201.
At least you could demand to know the difference between those.

[Macgyvec3]

Hope you don't mind, I merged the 'different chip' and 'Qualcomm(r) 7201 on my Tilt' thread together.

Good call mod.

[Macgyvec3]

How can they give you a different product back without telling you?

You bought the device with the 7200, and now they give you 7201.
At least you could demand to know the difference between those.

I'm geuessing it's a new revision. I've also noticed that the mini-usb port is different which was the reason I replaced mine in the first place. The Mini-USB on my old Tilt had 5 or 6 holes in the end of the plastic in the center of the port. My new one is solid with no holes. They must have been fixing a few different things.

[NuShrike]

Isn't it most likely it's the non-infringing revision of the chip that can be legally sold and supported in the USA?

After all, at&t can only continue to selling a phone with the original chip for one more year, and then no more stock so makes sense that HTC did the switch now.

It would be really too bad if they took the time to burn the graphics hardware off too. It would imply they don't want graphics support in this device ever.

[californiarailroader]

I had to get my Tilt replaced under warranty recently (radio wouldn't connect on 3G, dropped signal and then gave up and said "no service") as well, and got my new Tilt in the mail earlier this month, but the new one says 7200 as well.

[ZiYi]

the major difference between 7200 and 7201 for Qualcomm is, they had add some "tricks" to 7201 so that it no longer have the patent infringement issue. I'm not sure if it would shows any difference in terms of performance.

[idj1975]

My bad. I didnt realize that was what that thread was about. I haven't even looked in it until you linked it. My apologies.

Eh, no worries. I just happened to read that other thread shortly before the new one popped up. These forums are like crack I tell you. :eek:

[Macgyvec3]

Correct me if I'm wrong.... After a little research I believe I have discovered that the 7201 is being used in place of Qualcomm's new Snapdragon platform. There are a few websites stating this. They are showcasing there new models with the 7201 and telling people that it will preform the same. So it would be a reasonable assumption that there are some distinct differences between the 7200 and 7201. However it could just be that the 7200 is obsolete and discontinued with the 7201 replacing it.

http://www.geek.com/first-look-qualcomms-new-fairbanks-and-anchorage-mobile-platforms/

[arsunist]

Not sure how reliable looking up Device Information for the CPU is in some cases. I got an AT&T Tilt about a month ago. With the stock AT&T Rom, it listed the CPU as the QUALCOMM(R) 7201.

If I flash to an older AT&T release (i think 1.57) it shows the CPU as the 7200.

I'm currently using Dutty's latest V2 Hybrid rom and it still lists my CPU as the 7200. On top of that, my video recording on the camera with Dutty's or most other ROMS (incl. older 1.57 AT&T ROM) comes out with garbled video files, whereas on the latest stock AT&T ROM and NoThrill's latest ROM, the video camera function works flawlessly.

So I don't know about any improvements in performance, but this has certainly been causing some problems with the video recording capabilities when using the majority of other ROMS in these forums :-P

[heliax007]

how are you guys getting replacements via warranty? I thought ATT doesnt warranty the tilt?

[soccernamlak]

how are you guys getting replacements via warranty? I thought ATT doesnt warranty the tilt?

ATT honors their warranty for the tilt: the whole standard 1 year procedure. However, the thing they have not started yet is their insurance on the tilt. Rumor has it that will come out in June/July, but have a higher deductible at $129 instead of $50 for the regular phones.

[itsnotabigtruck]

The 7201 is the US import version of the 7200 (due to the Broadcom lawsuit). There aren't any other differences, and I think the GPU features are hard-disabled on both of them.

[simcell]

I have the same problem loosin reception with my tilt whats the deal i replaced mine already and still the same thing!!!

[Macgyvec3]

I have the same problem loosin reception with my tilt whats the deal i replaced mine already and still the same thing!!!

Probably just where you live. You can try some different radios but I doubt that will work. None the less, it's worth a try.

[sharpja]

I have the same problem loosin reception with my tilt whats the deal i replaced mine already and still the same thing!!!


Yeah, mine is doing the same thing again too :mad:though not as frequently.

[GSLEON3]

The difference is in how the chip uses wcdma & hsdpa. That was also the contention in the lawsuit. The chip incorporates a workaround on the patent infringement.

[AllTheWay]

Got my replacement Tilt today and it still says Qualcomm(r) 7200.

[DrXDA]

About 2 weeks ago I had my Kaiser motherboard replaced by HTC (in Greece) under warranty because of a problem in the phone module. The new motherboard's CPU is still reported as the original QUALCOMM(R) 7200.

DrXDA

[Macgyvec3]

About 2 weeks ago I had my Kaiser motherboard replaced by HTC (in Greece) under warranty because of a problem in the phone module. The new motherboard's CPU is still reported as the original QUALCOMM(R) 7200.

DrXDA

The 7201 is for the US because of copyright issues.

[DrXDA]

The 7201 is for the US because of copyright issues.
Thanks for that, I read about the 7201 and was expecting to find it in the new Kaiser motherboard. It all makes sense now.

DrXDA

[Dinamitci]

So there's no reason to break my tytn2 to get a new chipset :D

[mikeeey]

So there's no reason to break my tytn2 to get a new chipset :D

also i heard the 7201 is supposed to fix the "random screen cracking" issue. the screen would heat up and break... this new chip made it not get so hot? my last one broke from this, and the new one they sent me still has the 7201 chip...so itl probably break again lol.

[2real4u]

I just got a new Tilt as warranty replacement from AT&T and it also has MSM7201.
It came with:
ROM 1.62.502.0
Date: 01/17/08
Radio: 1.27.14.09
Protocol: 22.45.88.07H
OS 5.2.1622 (Build 18128.0.4.4)

This is what I found about the new chip:
It looks like Qualcomm infringed several Broadcomm's patents and several Qualcomm chips (including 7200) and devices using it were banned from being imported into U.S.
From what I have read it looks like the patents cover video compression algorithms. That may be the reason people are having problems with video using certain radio versions.
Below are the URLs with the info:

http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS58928+02-Jan-2008+PRN20080102
Reuters article about the release of new chips for U.S. market.

http://www.spweekly.com/issue937.pdf
Service Provider Weekly issue with details on the legal issues surrounding the chipsets.

[johnny13oi]

also i heard the 7201 is supposed to fix the "random screen cracking" issue. the screen would heat up and break... this new chip made it not get so hot? my last one broke from this, and the new one they sent me still has the 7201 chip...so itl probably break again lol.

So are you saying the last one you had had the 7201 chipset and the screen cracked and they replaced it with another 7201 chipset? Is that correct?

[LunaC]

I noticed my Tilt is also a 7201. Since the Diamond has the 7201 and is clocked at 528MHz does this mean it is time to start OCing this joker? I did a quick search to see if it is a different variant of the 7201 chipset between the devices but didnt find any thing.

:)

[MACkjam]

AHA. This could be a reason why the TyTN II in South Africa does not suffer from video problems as in USA?
My Coreplayer benchmark comes up at 178%
TCPMP Benchmark comes up at 201%

I tell you guys that my TyTN II FLIES!!!

That is why I have been so perplexed by the so-called "driver" issue, as mine does not seem to suffer from any such malady.

Hmmmmm....food for thought.

[FlaTEriC18041983]

what about your raw-files :) please upload you're ROM and radio to rapidshare or so

[ChumleyEX]

you need to post the screen shots of the benchmark.

[Gimzor]

Indeed. Please post screen shots of the benchmark!

[JC_Carrillo]

AHA. This could be a reason why the TyTN II in South Africa does not suffer from video problems as in USA?
My Coreplayer benchmark comes up at 178%
TCPMP Benchmark comes up at 201%

I tell you guys that my TyTN II FLIES!!!

That is why I have been so perplexed by the so-called "driver" issue, as mine does not seem to suffer from any such malady.

Hmmmmm....food for thought.

Screenshots???

[VirgilWoods]

So I got my replacement unit toay with the 7201 chip and I must say, even with the ATT stock bloated ROM, this thing is FAST! Faster than the 7200 I have! I don't know why it's like that, but there must have been something done in the workaround that helped significantly. I'm not going to flash it with a custom ROM because I actually have to return it back because it came with scratches ALL OVER IT!

[ChumleyEX]

benchmark PLEEEEASE

[VirgilWoods]

benchmark PLEEEEASE

I gives you benchmarks maybe tonight or tomorrow the latest, k?

[wilsonzone]

I would like to see some benchmarks too, from what I have read it seems the chip is not too much different and most can't tell any difference.

[Macgyvec3]

I would like to see some benchmarks too, from what I have read it seems the chip is not too much different and most can't tell any difference.

I don't really think they are very different. At least not enough were they would be amzingly fast but I know what they're talking about. I got my 7201 a few weeks ago and right out of the box it felt much faster than my 7200. I'm not saying it is it just felt that way.

[AllTheWay]

This thread is funny.

First people were saying that the 7201 can't record videos, and now everybody is saying its faster and better. What the deal with this chip, anybody have some conclusive results?

[FlaTEriC18041983]

This thread is funny.

First people were saying that the 7201 can't record videos, and now everybody is saying its faster and better. What the deal with this chip, anybody have some conclusive results?

Someone finally reflecting my opinion...

Some saying it's the same chip, some saying it's better than 7200, huh? So what now?!?!

[VirgilWoods]

Someone finally reflecting my opinion...

Some saying it's the same chip, some saying it's better than 7200, huh? So what now?!?!

Okay, I got some benchmarks!

From left to right are 7201 stock ROM, 7201 Dutty's April 29th ROM (V2, not cube, not lite) and the third is the 7200 with the same ROM by Dutty.

[abubasim]

A quick Google shows amongst other this (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/08/AR2008010801842.html) which mentions the 7201 chipset already back in January.

Edit: Hmm... that was the same gadget macgyvec3 mentioned earlier (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2123297&postcount=31) in this thread.

[VirgilWoods]

Just bumping this so a mod can put the benchmarks on the top of this page as the first post and update the thread.

[Macgyvec3]

A quick Google shows amongst other this (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/08/AR2008010801842.html) which mentions the 7201 chipset already back in January.

Edit: Hmm... that was the same gadget macgyvec3 mentioned earlier (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2123297&postcount=31) in this thread.

Yes it was.

[FlaTEriC18041983]

Okay, I got some benchmarks!

From left to right are 7201 stock ROM, 7201 Dutty's April 29th ROM (V2, not cube, not lite) and the third is the 7200 with the same ROM by Dutty.

sorry, but I'm too dumb for this, can someone interpret these results, I only see fluctuations in all of them, in one CPU-value is better, in an other graphics value seems better, but what's the final conclusion?

[johnny13oi]

To me, the numbers seem inconclusive of anything and just seem like they are just slight fluctuations of one another. No big difference.

[VirgilWoods]

sorry, but I'm too dumb for this, can someone interpret these results, I only see fluctuations in all of them, in one CPU-value is better, in an other graphics value seems better, but what's the final conclusion?

The final conclusion would be that there really is no significant difference between the two processors. However, we don't exactly know what each value does for the phone, so it might be possible that the better scores on the 7201 are the processes that are noticeable (i.e. the faster things on the 7201 make the phone look/feel faster) or it may be a placebo effect.

[Macgyvec3]

To me, the numbers seem inconclusive of anything and just seem like they are just slight fluctuations of one another. No big difference.

It's probable there is no real difference. At least, in speed and graphics. However, spb benchmark may be incapable of preforming a good benchmark. It is also possible that there is a difference and it's not something that is measurable. Just visible. I believe mine is "snappier." I only mean, it seems more responsive. Programs seem to open faster, scroll better, camera focuses faster in low light conditions and doesn't seem to lose as many FPS, and the screen feels like it changes from portrait to landscape mode easier. None of which is an amazing, "Holy shit! It's got graphics drivers!" difference. Just "snappier." It could be that I'm just crazy. That may be the strongest possibility of this entire thread.

[FlaTEriC18041983]

Hi, I can confirm such slight "improvements" only thanks to installing CorePlayer 1.2.2, and making the performance-improvement-reg-changes... I personally think that it doesn't have something to do with 7201/7200 differences, but I'm no specialist in this whole PDA-matters

[Foxhunter123]

Hi, I can confirm such slight "improvements" only thanks to installing CorePlayer 1.2.2, and making the performance-improvement-reg-changes...

Is it when you change the File system cache size to 8MB using advanced config you are referring to? (Under this performance setting there are also "File system filter cache and Glyph cache - what settings are best to use in these two options?)

[FlaTEriC18041983]

Is it when you change the File system cache size to 8MB using advanced config you are referring to? (Under this performance setting there are also "File system filter cache and Glyph cache - what settings are best to use in these two options?)

yes, right, my settings are:
file system cache size 4KB
file system filter cache 4096 sectors
glyph cache 32KB

I didn't play around with the values much, so perhaps the are even better ones, but it surely already improved a bit

[guyin916]

i am on my 4th replacement 1st: bootloader screen freeze 3 weeks after having it only having htc stuff installed; 2nd: keyboard sliding sensor stopped working; 3rd: i and o keys would press together; 4th: just as shitty and slow as the last 3 with 1 number different on the cpu model...big woo.. my cingular 8125/htcwizard did tcmp better than this son of a bitch. shit, the tilt isn't twice as fast. it's twice as slow. i hate my new phone.

[xmoo]

Have ya'll with a 7201 tried this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2201555&postcount=205

[Macgyvec3]

With the news of HTC possibly releasing drivers for the TyT II but not the tilt scares me. The 7201 was designed specifically for the tilt. Anyone with a 7200 tilt will almost certainly be able to use a cooked rom with the drivers in it or just install the new rom. I worry about us 7201 Tilts. The drivers may not even work for us.......