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edenc
21-04-2008, 01:00 AM
I imagine in a similar way to many people in these forums I had hit a brick wall on PDA functionality. I was was waiting for Kaiser to be THE all in one and just as I was about to buy one I discovered the shortcomings. So, having sold my TyTn and bluetooth, solar GPS receiver I brought an Athena. Wonderful piece of kit but in the end it had to go as it was just too bulky.

Having heard that the 9502 was imminent I brought an HP 9515 to see me through to it's realease.

Two weeks ago I placed a pre-order for the 9502 with Powerupmobile as stock was due on the 24th and to my surprise (and slightly disturbing swelling in my manhood) it arrived last Friday (18th April) so I have had a weekend to play.

Out of the box the overriding feeling was 'heavy'. TyTn was ABS plastic but this is (and I stand corrected) magnesium alloy encased. Personally I find that comforting...remember when B&O put lead weights in their remotes to make the quality more tactile?

Runinng WM6 which we are all familiar with there are no real surprises except to say that the 640x480 screen IS beautiful!

Down the left hand side you have JOG Wheel and 'OK' button (very blackberry and very friendly) as well as a shortcut button to the wireless comms. The charging/hardwire comms facility (mini USB) is also present this side rather than on the southern aspect.

Down The right hand side is a '+' and '-' rocker switch for volume etc, voice memo and camera activation buttons as well as a 2.5mm stereo jack.

The stainless steel telescopic pointer is housed to the top right whilst the power button is on the top, horizontal face of the unit.

The face of the unit has buttons for MESSAGING, INTERNET, START, OK, RECEIVER UP AND DOWN and a FOUR WAY THUMB PAD + SELECTOR BUTTON. To access the MicroSD HC slot you have to remove the rear battery case, but not the battery itself.


Right (http://www.corygallery.com/9502/right.jpg)
Left Back (http://www.corygallery.com/9502/back.jpg)
Top (http://www.corygallery.com/9502/top.jpg)
Bottom (http://www.corygallery.com/9502/bottom.jpg)
Screen up (http://www.corygallery.com/9502/slide_open.jpg)
Battery exposed (http://www.corygallery.com/9502/battery exposed.jpg)

On arrival I loaded all my usual software and all has worked fine with one exception...it seems that after using TomTom6, quitting the application and letting the unit timeout, it will not reactivate on the standard power depress. I have had to soft reset. I will make I-Mate aware of this.

-------I have subsequently discovered that this is a one off and the unit is being swapped out- 22-04-08-----------

All comms functions are manually startable so you have to remember to enable the GPS radio prior to starting your satnav software.

In much the way as TyTn an Kaiser the screen can be pushed to reveal a full QWERTY keyboard (though the numerics are still FN dependant) and the keyboard is backlit depending on the ambient lighting conditions.

The screen behaves more like a Samsung phone inasmuch as it 'flicks' up and down.

The reason I didn't buy Kaiser was because of the video playback problems dirctly attributable to the drivers for the Qualcomm hardware. What is ironic with the 9502 is that it is Qualcomm based but at 320x240 video plays back just fine. Using TCPMP to watch Star Wars Episode III with TCPMP in 'Raw Frame buffer mode' the movie was totally watchable. I will test 640x480 when I get time.

The GPS is easy to set up (on COM9 at either 5,400 or 115,000 baud) with more channels (and therefore more accuracy) than any other PDA I have used with an inbuilt receiver. The cold start time is between 15 secs and one minute depending on the normal constraints. There is no 'Quick GPS' facility.

I haven't been able to test HSDPA yet but all the radio's seem to give good reception so there's no reason to assume that throughput will be anything other than expected.

So, Kaiser Killer? For me, yes without doubt but don't forget this luurvely piece of kit hast only just been released. It WILL get better.

Now, who makes it?

PS if anyone wants me to test it anyway or wants more info, let me know.

fl4r3
21-04-2008, 01:36 PM
Wow! This is one nice phone. I've been disappointed in my touch dual for some time now (eventhough Its not been too long since I bought it!) and been looking for a replacement but none of the phones I've seen look as 'sleek'.

I may just look into this one more.

I see that this one also has the same qualcomm chipset. What is the video playback like?
Does it have bad lag like all the other htc qualcomm pdas (like the touch dual)?
Does it slow down when you keep the screen pressed?

One more thing....I cant see it from any pictures, but is the screen beveled or is it flush with the sides?

reebzor
21-04-2008, 02:48 PM
Awesome. I've been wanting one of those since they were announced. After this little review you posted, I might think about actually getting one. Thanks

leaskovski
21-04-2008, 03:42 PM
That be a bezelled screen me lad.

edenc
21-04-2008, 07:24 PM
Duplicate post.

edenc
21-04-2008, 07:31 PM
Duplicate post

edenc
21-04-2008, 07:36 PM
Using TCPMP to watch video there were initially problems with a huge amount of frame ripping. This was quickly resolved by switching to from DiractDraw to GDI codec and upping the buffer to 4mb. This was at 320x240. Will try reformatting to 640x480 asap but I don't hold out a lot of hope that watchability will be as good.

Don't know what you mean by 'keep the screen pressed'.

It is indeed a bevelled screen surround.

JimmyMcGee
21-04-2008, 07:38 PM
Why does every new device got to be the "Kaiser" killer?

Also, what is with the internet and email buttons being by the ear speaker at the top? Everytime I answer a call I'm going to open an email.

edenc
21-04-2008, 07:40 PM
By way of an update to the issue with TomTom6, it turns out that my unit is faulty. At random it won't come out of standby. Completely unpredicatable and unrelated to TomTom, it transpires. PowerupMobile.com have organised a direct swapout so hopefully it's just a bit of bad luck. Bodes well for Powerup Mobile though. I was concerned that as they were nearly £100 cheaper than expansys the service might not be as good. Great response from their tech guy/guys too.

edenc
21-04-2008, 08:33 PM
If you put your phone yo your head with that kind of sustained pressure your in for serious ear problems.:)

Kaiser killer cause it's less money, a better product out of the box (4 x the screen resolution) and it all works as it's supposed to (with the exception of mine which is, of course, a one off problem:o). HTC have long been repackaging the same hardware and charging more and more for it with little increase in functionality. I was a hardened HTC fan as my PDA record shows, but to tout a unit as the most powerful of it's type, hike the price and then turn out a unit which is effectively a TyTn with a GPS and a video problem isn't too customer focused...stockholder focused perhaps; to then refuse to sort a DRIVER problem....firmware no less...tends to put one off. In my humble opinion, if a 'Kaiser Killer' comes along and forces HTC to turn out better products at a more competetive price, I'll be back with them.

Oh yeah, and it's a catchy title.

Eurosportler
22-04-2008, 09:37 PM
i´m also interested in this phone.

could you please upload some pics taken with the camera. best would be in dark light and with text.

thanks

edenc
22-04-2008, 11:32 PM
i´m also interested in this phone.

could you please upload some pics taken with the camera. best would be in dark light and with text.

thanks

Will do. Give me 24 hrs though. By 'with text' I assume you mean a text imprint overlaid direct?

Eurosportler
23-04-2008, 01:46 AM
yes, that is what i meant with "text"

thank you for the fast response.

hab
23-04-2008, 05:36 PM
Could you please tell us how responsive is this device compared to the kaiser lets say. I mean do you have any problems of it being slow? I am asking because VGA screen resolution is sometimes a burden for processors and there are some examples of "slow" VGA devices.

Do you have memory leaking problems? I have heard a lot about the considerably low 30mb free RAM after a reboot, but if it remains there after starting and closing programs, I don't believe it is an issue.

Finally, could try to make some benchmarks and post the result. Try to use SPB or sktools so that there are comparable results.

Sorry for the long request message, but I seriously thinking of buying this device, and it is good to know some things before I finally decide.

Thanks!

P996
23-04-2008, 05:45 PM
I hate to burst your bubble, guys but since the technical specs(incl. CPU) are pretty much the same as on the Kaiser(HTC TyTN II), don't you think that i-mate just put Kaiser technology into a different(yes, nicer) outfit?! Just my 2 cents worth...

hab
23-04-2008, 05:56 PM
@P996: yes but you are missing the VGA spec which is something "different" to what we have seen up until now. Moreover, if imate has actually managed to use the processor efficiently so to cope with the VGA resolution demands, that we are talking about something completely new, considering the size and offers (GPS, wi/fi, VGA, keyboard). I don't think there is something similar in the market now and all its offers are called new technology.

@edenc: sorry but I have on more question :D. I have also read some comments about battery life. Do you think it is ok, or it might be an issue? How does it compare again to the kaiser lets say?

rajmagi
25-05-2008, 01:38 PM
Diamond killer???
lol
just read the thread.. sorry

mike freegan
25-05-2008, 09:14 PM
Oh its completely a Kaiser Killer. Everything about it is better. All my mates who have a Kaiser want my 9502, but the video drivers are still shockingly bad (sorry to sound like a broken record). I never even considered a Kaiser - it seemed like a downgrade from the Hermes in terms of the features that I regularly use.

The 9502 can play perfect qvga video, but it looks rubbish on the VGA screen. Other than that (and no SDHC support) this is, in my opinion much better than anything that is currently on the market, and will be until the X1 comes out.

netnerd
25-05-2008, 11:21 PM
ya. cant wait for X1 with 3" 800x480 WVGA!
compare to that fake diamond at 2.8" VGA 640x480! haha

Menneisyys
26-05-2008, 07:50 AM
you may also want to repost your article to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=351788

carger1115
27-05-2008, 01:05 PM
Hi Mike,

I bought an ultimate 9502, but apparently it has a radio problem... Sometimes the line gets cut while i'm talking & i'm bot being able to connect WAP.... Any ideas???

mike freegan
27-05-2008, 03:33 PM
Hi Mike,

I bought an ultimate 9502, but apparently it has a radio problem... Sometimes the line gets cut while i'm talking & i'm bot being able to connect WAP.... Any ideas???

Do you have the Telstra version. I don't get this at all. You might have to put your WAP settings in by hand.

carger1115
28-05-2008, 08:54 AM
No, it is not a Telstra version.... I have set my WAP manually & still get the same problem... I even called my operator customer support, they went through the settings with me & said this should be a software problem...

sphynx88
28-05-2008, 09:07 AM
Coz if you look at the kaiser, out from the specs, it should have been the all in one phone no more need for anything else. Button placement, big screen, need a keyboard pull it out without the need to use the screen phone. It has all the bandwidths of 3g and supports hspda. It has a built in gps. It runs on windows mobile which means customizing possibilities would almost be infinite but difficult to start learning. What disappointed people isn't the specs but the actual bringing together of the phone. Hardware problem, conflicts, not supporting this and that, heating too much, rlod and things like that.

In any case, how is the speaker sound on the imate? wifi performance? thanks

By way of an update to the issue with TomTom6, it turns out that my unit is faulty. At random it won't come out of standby. Completely unpredicatable and unrelated to TomTom, it transpires. PowerupMobile.com have organised a direct swapout so hopefully it's just a bit of bad luck. Bodes well for Powerup Mobile though. I was concerned that as they were nearly £100 cheaper than expansys the service might not be as good. Great response from their tech guy/guys too.

brabus
29-06-2008, 07:15 AM
Use Kaiser Network Wizard. It should help you to browse the WAP