WM6.1-Kaiser Radio Only-1.65.17.10

[SH4YD33]

***WARNING***
Users have discovered that we cannot change the radio after flashing. There is a patched version that is still being worked on, that will allow you to flash other radios after flashing this radio in the near future.


BEFORE YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT FLASHING THIS RADIO OR DOWNLOADING THE NBH PLEASE SECURITY UNLOCK YOUR DEVICE!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361236

IF YOU ARE STUCK WITH THIS RADIO TRY DUTTY'S HYBRID V2. IT WILL WORK WITH THIS RADIO.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=388947

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!!THIS RADIO IS A WORK IN PROGRESS, BUT HAS BEEN REPORTED TO HAVE THE SAME ISSUES AS THE ORIGINAL RADIO. Keep up the progress jockyw2001!!
Download HERE:
http://rapidshare.com/files/112111693/Kaiser_Radio-1.65.17.10-patched.zip


Here is the link to the ORIGINAL UNPATCHED RADIO NBH:
http://rapidshare.com/files/110401929/Kaiser_Radio-1.65.17.10.rar
!!THIS IS NBH ONLY!! DO NOT FLASH THIS. IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING, THEN THIS IS AVAILABLE FOR DIAGNOSTIC!!

Please report back your findings.

If you're going to post please say where you are from. As with all radios, your location may affect your performance.

This is ripped from the new ATT 19209 ROM, posted HERE:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=387378

IF YOU WANT A OS ROM THAT WORKS WITH THIS RADIO, TRY ANY ONE BASED OFF THE 19209 BUILD

[P1Tater]

Just posting a mirror for everyone that hates rapidshare.

Thanks man for ripping out the radio for us.

Mirror (http://www.4shared.com/file/45062955/a00da546/Kaiser_Radio-1651710.html) << Do you feel lucky punk?

[AllTheWay]

I guess you were slow. :D:p Losing your touch?

Either that or working 12 hour days :)

Ok something is seriously wrong. I can not change the radio after installing this radio. Keep's going back to 1.65.17.10. Something is seriously wrong here.

[Macgyvec3]

Either that or working 12 hour days :)

Ok something is seriously wrong. I can not change the radio after installing this radio. Keep's going back to 1.65.17.10. Something is seriously wrong here.

They trapped you! Try using the SD or vise versa.

[AllTheWay]

Not good. Damn AT$T.

What happens when you try to flash a rom w/ a radio combined? When you flash a different radio, what does it do? I havent flashed it yet but im not sure I want to now. Thanks for the heads up bud.

I have tried to flash a ROM combined with the radio. Tried to flash from MicroSD, tried to flash the original AT&T shipped ROM that came with my phone. Nothing works. This is awesome :)

[Macgyvec3]

I have tried to flash a ROM combined with the radio. Tried to flash from MicroSD, tried to flash the original AT&T shipped ROM that came with my phone. Nothing works. This is awesome :)

Try returning to shipped SPL and an OEM ROM. Then start over like a new phone.

[AllTheWay]

Does it go thru the steps as if it is working or what? Does a rom flash work or was it the new rom released that caused it?

The ROM flashes ok but the radio doesn't change. NO matter what ROM I choose.

[scotchua]

I have tried to flash a ROM combined with the radio. Tried to flash from MicroSD, tried to flash the original AT&T shipped ROM that came with my phone. Nothing works. This is awesome :)

Of course i read this right after i install the radio.

[AllTheWay]

Of course i read this right after i install the radio.

Well let me know if you have this problem. Maybe it's just me.

[scotchua]

Well let me know if you have this problem. Maybe it's just me.

Nope, same problem. Haven't reflashed the rom, but tried flashing a new radio form my computer and my sd card. No luck.

[Dinamitci]

Either that or working 12 hour days :)

Ok something is seriously wrong. I can not change the radio after installing this radio. Keep's going back to 1.65.17.10. Something is seriously wrong here.

Same here, first installed this radio and after I installed this rom (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=385900) which includes Radio 1.65.14.06, but mine still says 1.65.17.10 . I'm not having any sound/camera problems.

[scotchua]

Quick question guys. Did you flash the rom/radio combo or just the radio? Im wondering if its a bad radio rip. Not saying shaydee messed up but it might be something built in.

I flashed just the radio posted in this thread.

[Macgyvec3]

Have you tried flashing the new test rom the radio is ripped from then flashing to another ROM like the older test ROM or an OEM?

[AllTheWay]

Have you tried flashing the new test rom the radio is ripped from then flashing to another ROM like the older test ROM or an OEM?
Tried flashing all kinds of ROM's nothing works. I actually flashed to the AT&T 5.2.19209 the one that was released with the radio.

I am flashing back to the ROM and then going to try and change the radio.

[Macgyvec3]

Tried flashing all kinds of ROM's nothing works. I actually flashed to the AT&T 5.2.19209 the one that was released with the radio.

I am flashing back to the ROM and then going to try and change the radio.

So you flashed the whole new test ROM with the radio or just the radio? Other than your post in the test ROM thread, no one else who flashed the whole ROM seem to be having this problem.

[thomassster]

alltheway...your radio days are over. you have went over the limit on testing. :D

I flashed fine. I'm guessing just redownload the radio...testing it right now. First call testing and GPS testing. I don't care about batteries since I charge almost everyday.

[AllTheWay]

So you flashed the whole new test ROM with the radio or just the radio? Other than your post in the test ROM thread, no one else who flashed the whole ROM seem to be having this problem.

I flashed the ROM with the radio.

I will try to flash another radio now, just re-flashed the AT&T ROM.

alltheway...your radio days are over. you have went over the limit on testing. :D

I flashed fine. I'm guessing just redownload the radio...testing it right now. First call testing and GPS testing. I don't care about batteries since I charge almost everyday.

The 1.65.17.10 flashes fine...I'm talking about trying to change the radio after you flash it.

[scotchua]

So you flashed the whole new test ROM with the radio or just the radio? Other than your post in the test ROM thread, no one else who flashed the whole ROM seem to be having this problem.

Could just be that most of the people who installed the full rom haven't tried a new radio yet.

[Macgyvec3]

Could just be that most of the people who installed the full rom haven't tried a new radio yet.

I figured from their lack of enthusiasm, they were already running for their trusty ROMs.

[AllTheWay]

Why is there 2 .nbh files in the .exe file? really odd. Im guessing the other is the radio. but its labelled test0signed.

I noticed that was well. I have no idea. Never seen that before. Well looks like I will be using this AT&T ROM for a while LOL.

I have now dubbed this radio. "The Radio from Hell"

[Macgyvec3]

I noticed that was well. I have no idea. Never seen that before. Well looks like I will be using this AT&T ROM for a while LOL.

I have now dubbed this radio. "The Radio from Hell"

At least you caught it quick. Now many unsuspecting people like me(who was about to flash it seconds before I read your post) will be saved.

Your sacrifice will not be in vain!

[dwsco]

Might be crazy, and I haven't tried it yet but maybe we could replace the radio bh file in the executable with another radio and try a full flash. I'll give it a try and see if it works...

[Macgyvec3]

I'd try going completely back to OEM. SPL and all. Then a maybe flashing the OEM rom one more time after you've reverted SPL.

[AllTheWay]

did you originally flash the radio/rom combo? If so, then it is definitely the radio that is causing the problem. Not the ripping.

Yes I flashed the ROM/Radio combo. The exact one that incognitho published.

[AllTheWay]

Might be crazy, and I haven't tried it yet but maybe we could replace the radio bh file in the executable with another radio and try a full flash. I'll give it a try and see if it works...

Good deal. Let me know if it works. I doubt it will, but the effort with be helpful.

[dwsco]

Sounds like that going back to the bootloader during flash did something special you cannot undo.

But mine didn't do that... maybe because I extracted the executable and then ran the ROMUpdateUtility.exe from the exctracted directory?

[dwsco]

Can you change radios?

Well, I didn't try the normal ways.. just freaked when you guys said there was a problem. I'm trying to flash with another radio in the directory right now. Will update when I have results..

[dwsco]

Well, I didn't try the normal ways.. just freaked when you guys said there was a problem. I'm trying to flash with another radio in the directory right now. Will update when I have results..

Crap... didn't work. Still have 1.65.17.10 so that answers both questions. Can't change the radio and it probably doesn't have anything to do with the return to bootloader.

[thomassster]

trying to revert back to its own breed, 1.65.14.06 and didn't work either. Must be a radio lock or something.

[thomassster]

haha...although this rom is tainted, this radio isn't that bad. I found very little difference between all the radios, except for one in particular, one of the NIKI radios which had total great GPS reception (forgot which radio that was) but this radio is alrite.

It's not the rom that locks the radio, but its the radio itself. I had my old AT&T rom and flashed this radio, and now stuck. Praying for someone out there to figure out a solution.

[twisted]

when i extracted the exe file, i noticed there are 2 files with *.pfw extension.
what does this 2 files do? attached is the screenshot.

ps: try to open with notepad.

[Macgyvec3]

when i extracted the exe file, i noticed there are 2 files with *.pfw extension.
what does this 2 files do? attached is the screenshot.

ps: try to open with notepad.

EBL? Some kind of BOOTLOADER? Enhanched? Encrypted?

[_Alex_]

EBL? Some kind of BOOTLOADER? Enhanched? Encrypted?


It's the config files for packaging the .exe that you all installed. It's just a sign that the developer was lazy / sloppy.

If you're all 100% sure that this won't let you downgrade (I haven't tried downgrading yet, I'm busy trying to make a decent ROM :)), I can remove the links from the first post.

*edit* - nevermind, I actually took the time to read through the thread :). I'm just going to put a warning in this thread and the other thread...

[JohnJonsten]

I got lucky and read this before I tried the radio upgrade. This smells alot like the problem on the hermes where if you let customization happen it locked your radio.

Has anyone tried JumpSPL then flash a new radio????

[AllTheWay]

Awesome, looks like we're stuck with the rom for a little while.

I would say try out another WM6.1 ROM that needs the newest radio. Might go try TNT's out. Or revert to some BETA that I have laying around.

[dwsco]

I would say try out another WM6.1 ROM that needs the newest radio. Might got try TNT's out. Or revert to some BETA that I have laying around.

Yeah... I'm flashing back to HyperDragon II right now. I'll play with trying to change the radio only until someone comes up with a solution. Bummer.. hope this is a really good radio :)

[scotchua]

I would say try out another WM6.1 ROM that needs the newest radio. Might got try TNT's out. Or revert to some BETA that I have laying around.

I'm giving TNT a whirl, see what i get. Thanks for the suggestion.

[SH4YD33]

Links removed..

I took the radio out from the larger of the two. The ship signed version.

It looks like they both contain a radio? I'm guessing that is why people are saying the bootloader resets during install of the NBH using the cingular .EXE.

My fault for jumping the gun guys.

[AllTheWay]

Links removed..

I took the radio out from the larger of the two. The ship signed version.

It looks like they both contain a radio? I'm guessing that is why people are saying the bootloader resets during install of the NBH using the cingular .EXE.

My fault for jumping the gun guys.

You did nothing ROM. If anybody would have posted the radio it would have done the same thing.

[scotchua]

Links removed..

I took the radio out from the larger of the two. The ship signed version.

It looks like they both contain a radio? I'm guessing that is why people are saying the bootloader resets during install of the NBH using the cingular .EXE.

My fault for jumping the gun guys.

No worries man, flashing as much as we all do around here we were bound to catch a tricky one eventually.

[kyphur]

So, I did a binary file comparison on the two Radio.nb files and they are identical!

Didn't bother checking the included SPL as we are all using HardSPL...

[shogunmark]

has anyone seen/and or tried this?

AllTheWay... You can change radio however not the conventional way. If you guys are stuck, flash with ATT OEM ROM that includes the 1.27.14.09 radio and you will be up to snuff ... You just have to do extra work... thats it.

[AllTheWay]

has anyone seen/and or tried this?

I will attempt this right now. Doubt it will work. Flashing this ROM

RUU_Kaiser_CINGULAR_WWE_1.62.502.0_radio_sign_22.4 5.88.07_1.27.14.09R2_Ship.exe

Flashing the above ROM did not correct the problem. Still showing radio 1.65.17.10

[shogunmark]

I will attempt this right now. Doubt it will work.

would be nice if it did, however i kinda like this radio here in st. louis, i get a more stable UMTS connection.

[AllTheWay]

would be nice if it did, however i kinda like this radio here in st. louis, i get a more stable UMTS connection.

Haven't had a chance to really test the radio but at least my phone is operational. I will be the guinea pig for the people, who don't want to be stuck on this radio.

[MickyMax]

How is this radio ? GPS, battery, reception ? :D

[eltoro]

EBL? Some kind of BOOTLOADER? Enhanched? Encrypted?

Extended Battery Life, maybe?

[irockash]

Well, another confirmation (we didn't really need it), just tired flashing 1.65.14.06 and no change.

I bet some AT&T guy is chuckling right now... jerk.

[ricethief]

Please don't flog me if this stupid. I'm still learning alot about this stuff. Until I picked a tilt recently I hadn't tinkered with anything windows mobile wise since the windows smatphone platform originally came out. But, what I was wondering is if this problem is in anyway related to the same type of problem some people were having when they upgraded their trinity to a 6.0 rom. There is a thread here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=316098&page=8 starts around post #76. It looks like it had something to do with using hd spl 1.3 and having to downgrade to hd spl 1.2 to get the radio to change and then reflashing back to hd-spl 1.3. Obviously we are using newer versions of hd spl but, could this be the problem?

[Starfury]

Haven't had a chance to really test the radio but at least my phone is operational. I will be the guinea pig for the people, who don't want to be stuck on this radio.

Just a thought. Maybe the new radio isn't allowing an older version to be flashed over the top of it, by way of a version and/or date check?

Is there a way to take an older radio and modify the version and release date of it so that the phone thinks its a newer radio than whats there. This could get you back to a version that allows you to reflash any radio.

Another thought. Anyone tried using the faked radio rom that is in olipro's sim unlocker?

[irockash]

Another thought. Anyone tried using the faked radio rom that is in olipro's sim unlocker?

Giving that a try now... I've been putting off unlocking my device, so this also gives me a reason to.

Just flashed, but seeing the same radio version. Unlocker won't run either.

Well crap, looks like I can't unlock till this is fixed. Also, just for kicks I tried reflashing Hard SPL, but couldn't... it went into the flashing screen on my computer, and bootloader on the device, and I followed the instructions to replug the device, but nothing happend. The RUU said it couldn't connect.

[thomassster]

are we sure that the radio is staying the same and not just displaying the same numbers? How bout someone try a rom/radio combo that is not compatible with these roms and see if the sound and camera don't work.

[irockash]

are we sure that the radio is staying the same and not just displaying the same numbers? How bout someone try a rom/radio combo that is not compatible with these roms and see if the sound and camera don't work.

Worth a shot, I guess.... hey if it doesn't work, at least we get a working camera and sound?

Flashing 1.58.21.23 now.

Edit: Nope, workig camera and sound.

[_Alex_]

are we sure that the radio is staying the same and not just displaying the same numbers? How bout someone try a rom/radio combo that is not compatible with these roms and see if the sound and camera don't work.


Did, flashed back to 1.27.14.09 & AT&T WM6.0 1.62, no sound.

BTW, has anyone confirmed if this radio works with other WM6.1 ROMs?

[irockash]

Did, flashed back to 1.27.14.09 & AT&T WM6.0 1.62, no sound.

BTW, has anyone confirmed if this radio works with other WM6.1 ROMs?

I'm using it on Black Dragon II with no issues.

[MickyMax]

I'm using it on Black Dragon II with no issues.

Good reception ? GPS ?

[irockash]

Good reception ? GPS ?

Can't really say, I'm not too popular in the late hours. The few calls I did make lead me to think it's better reception then 1.65.14.06, haven't tried the GPS but don't have the tools necessary to test that.

I'll have a better answer for you later in the day.

[shutter13]

Did, flashed back to 1.27.14.09 & AT&T WM6.0 1.62, no sound.

BTW, has anyone confirmed if this radio works with other WM6.1 ROMs?

I tried flashing the radio/rom combo via the sd card using the KaiserIMG_CINGULAR_WWE_3.51.502.0_radio_sign_25.83 .40.02_1.65.17.10_Ship1signed.nbh file. After flashing it would not start past the green windows mobile 6.1 screen, so I reflashed dutty's april 16 WM6.1 5.2.19209. The sound worked for a bit and then stopped, the camera would not work at all.

[shutter13]

It's official. This radio sucks.

FWIW, for me in my area, it's probably the best radio I've used, course now I can't try any others, but for me previously, the 1.64.08.21 and the niki 1.58.11.07 have preformed the best, this one gives me better reception in my area and call quality is fine. Haven't tried GPS yet. Still looking for a fix to unlock it, I will continue to use it, but don't like the idea of being stuck with it.

[jcespi2005]

So anyone have tryied the SoftSPL to downgrade or change this radio to another version?

Cheers.

[scotchua]

Did, flashed back to 1.27.14.09 & AT&T WM6.0 1.62, no sound.

BTW, has anyone confirmed if this radio works with other WM6.1 ROMs?

I'm using it with the TNT rom and it seems to work fine. i haven't noticed any problems. Not the most amazing battery life i've experienced but better than some radios i've tried and reception is adequate.

[P1Tater]

First and foremost, all thanks goes to renembarr. He figured it out and I tested to verify.

First, we are both security unlocked via jocky's SUPERCID security unlocker HERE. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361236) Prior to flashing this locked radio.

Next, we flashed to the NIKI 1.58.21.23 radio HERE. (http://www.4shared.com/file/40570972/99c30d48/NIKI_Radio_Only_1582123.html)

Last, flashed to Polaris 1.64.08.21 radio HERE (http://www.4shared.com/file/39877259/8e663e0e/KAIS_Radio_Only_1640821_CustomRUU.html) just to verify.

I don't know why or how, but I think it has to do with the Jocky's security unlocker. I've attached the proof. Now, renembarr flashed all of his via USB with Vista and I flashed via SD card. I think you have to be SUPERCID unlocked prior to flashing this jacked up radio first.

[scotchua]

First and foremost, all thanks goes to renembarr. He figured it out and I tested to verify.

First, we are both security unlocked via jocky's SUPERCID security unlocker HERE. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361236) Prior to flashing this locked radio.

Next, we flashed to the NIKI 1.58.21.23 radio HERE. (http://www.4shared.com/file/40570972/99c30d48/NIKI_Radio_Only_1582123.html)

Last, flashed to Polaris 1.64.08.21 radio HERE (http://www.4shared.com/file/39877259/8e663e0e/KAIS_Radio_Only_1640821_CustomRUU.html) just to verify.

I don't know why or how, but I think it has to do with the Jocky's security unlocker. I've attached the proof. Now, renembarr flashed all of his via USB with Vista and I flashed via SD card.

Nice, I'll do it now!

[NetrunnerAT]

First and foremost, all thanks goes to renembarr. He figured it out and I tested to verify.

First, we are both security unlocked via jocky's SUPERCID security unlocker HERE. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361236) Prior to flashing this locked radio.

Next, we flashed to the NIKI 1.58.21.23 radio HERE. (http://www.4shared.com/file/40570972/99c30d48/NIKI_Radio_Only_1582123.html)

Last, flashed to Polaris 1.64.08.21 radio HERE (http://www.4shared.com/file/39877259/8e663e0e/KAIS_Radio_Only_1640821_CustomRUU.html) just to verify.

I don't know why or how, but I think it has to do with the Jocky's security unlocker. I've attached the proof. Now, renembarr flashed all of his via USB with Vista and I flashed via SD card. I think you have to be SUPERCID unlocked prior to flashing this jacked up radio first.

I doesnt think so! jockys unlocker do the same like olipro etc ... they change only 2 bytes!!!

[_RMB_]

Good news... Well AllTheWay won't be selling his Kaiser now, bummer:o

actually he is not security unlocked with jockys so he at the bridge right now about to test his arm......

we're trying to find another solution for those who dont have jockys security unlocker

[scotchua]

Actually still have the same problem doesn't fix it for me.

Doesn't work for me either, i missed the part where you said you supercid unlocked it before you flashed the radio. Dang.

[SH4YD33]

Actually still have the same problem doesn't fix it for me.

Have you tried adding the NIKI radio to the NBH that the .EXE file flashes? leaving the rest of the nbh intact...? Try it man.

[futbolkeeper]

First and foremost, all thanks goes to renembarr. He figured it out and I tested to verify.

First, we are both security unlocked via jocky's SUPERCID security unlocker HERE. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361236) Prior to flashing this locked radio.

Next, we flashed to the NIKI 1.58.21.23 radio HERE. (http://www.4shared.com/file/40570972/99c30d48/NIKI_Radio_Only_1582123.html)

Last, flashed to Polaris 1.64.08.21 radio HERE (http://www.4shared.com/file/39877259/8e663e0e/KAIS_Radio_Only_1640821_CustomRUU.html) just to verify.

I don't know why or how, but I think it has to do with the Jocky's security unlocker. I've attached the proof. Now, renembarr flashed all of his via USB with Vista and I flashed via SD card. I think you have to be SUPERCID unlocked prior to flashing this jacked up radio first.

It worked for me as well, phewwww. Had done Jocky's security unlocker a while ago. Thank god for that.

[_Alex_]

Blah... Well, I unlocked with Jocky's first and then OliPro's before this radio and I'm still screwed.

*sigh*

[GSLEON3]

Hasn't anyone disassembled the radio yet? Compared with Hex? There has to be a clue somewhere. I'll take a look, but this is definitely something Jocky would be best at. Maybe pof as well. I may be able to find the reason, but the fix would be more in Jockys league than my own.

ALSO, Is this affecting people that flashed the entire rom complete w/ radio, or radio only flashers???

[futbolkeeper]

Hasn't anyone disassembled the radio yet? Compared with Hex? There has to be a clue somewhere. I'll take a look, but this is definitely something Jocky would be best at. Maybe pof as well. I may be able to find the reason, but the fix would be more in Jockys league than my own.

ALSO, Is this affecting people that flashed the entire rom complete w/ radio, or radio only flashers???

I flashed rom w/Radio, and was able to get back to the 1.65.14.06 by flashing the Rom that Kyphur posted HERE (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2142016&postcount=44). But I like P1Tater and renembarr had used Jocky's SUPERCID unlocker prior to doing this.

[LunaC]

Try forcing a greater version number into an older radio and see if it is an upgrade only issue ;)

[dwsco]

Did anyone try to revert back to an original ROM and SPL? Is that likely to be of any worth at all? I was about to do it but not if it's a waste of time...

[GSLEON3]

Kyphur, In your ROM, did you just remove the test nbh file? Because I can return after I did the same to this rom, not using yours, as well.

I'm starting to tear it apart now, but I'll need to go home & grab one of the locked Kaisers I have as my current is Jocky unlocked of course.

[AllTheWay]

Did anyone try to revert back to an original ROM and SPL? Is that likely to be of any worth at all? I was about to do it but not if it's a waste of time...

Try it out, I was going to do that tonight. Let me know what happens.

I am going to try and solve this before I give up completely. Plus we have all the mods in here and GSLEON3. Now if we could just add Jocky and Olipro to the mix I know we can solve this. Now this is true XDA-Developers. :D

[_RMB_]

I swear. I think its Jocky's SUPERCID tool that's allowing us to change.

EDIT:
I'm with ATW. This is really what it's about.

guys im with you on that also but i think we need to be GERBERED RIGHT NOW.....lol

emailing jocky right now

[GSLEON3]

Okay, this is odd. The rom this radio comes from has 2 SPL's & 2 Radios. Hmmm... I'm disassembling the 2nd now. The first radio/SPL all looks normal, & since I had no issues with the rom once the test ruu was removed, I'm guessing the issue lies in this second one.

I'm thinkin' this may have something to do with IntShrUI & an attempt to incorporate a way for AT&T to charge you for tethering.

[leoiden]

has anyone tried any oem wm6.1 test rom?

[dwsco]

Try it out, I was going to do that tonight. Let me know what happens.

I am going to try and solve this before I give up completely. Plus we have all the mods in here and GSLEON3. Now if we could just add Jocky and Olipro to the mix I know we can solve this. Now this is true XDA-Developers. :D

A little catch 22 I think. When I run SSPL-KAIS.exe I just get a white screen... sits there for about a minute and then activesync disconnects (I hear the disconnect tone and the icon changes from green) then nothing... It's been sitting here on a white screen for about 10 minutes. So, I can't revert SPL to test. Whether it's to do with the demon radio or just my device I don't know but I also can't go into bootloader with the usual camera+reset combo (or any other I can think of) just keeps soft resetting.
So sorry... can't test this part.

[Macgyvec3]

A little catch 22 I think. When I run SSPL-KAIS.exe I just get a white screen... sits there for about a minute and then activesync disconnects (I hear the disconnect tone and the icon changes from green) then nothing... It's been sitting here on a white screen for about 10 minutes. So, I can't revert SPL to test. Whether it's to do with the demon radio or just my device I don't know but I also can't go into bootloader with the usual camera+reset combo (or any other I can think of) just keeps soft resetting.
So sorry... can't test this part.

Try the white screen SPL fix and I couldn't get into bootloader with the old att test rom unless I pressed camera+power+reset or it might have been ok+power+reset. I forget but I know it was a combo.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354061

I strongly suggest you try to return your device to the orignal SPL and OEM ROM. I would try but I'm not flashing this radio on my Tilt. Good Luck.

[dwsco]

Try the white screen SPL fix and I couldn't get into bootloader with the old att test rom unless I pressed camera+power+reset or it might have been ok+power+reset. I forget but I know it was a combo.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354061

I strongly suggest you try to return your device to the orignal SPL and OEM ROM. I would try but I'm not flashing this radio on my Tilt. Good Luck.

Ahhh.. I thought the white screen fix was only to install the pof spl.. which I already have installed. I'll take another shot at it when I get a minute (damned work keeps interfering with this way more interesting stuff :) )

[xcsdm]

I can confirm that after SUPERCID'ing my Tilt, I can change Roms/Radios with normal flashing.

I flashed the new 19209 ROM with Radio,
I flashed the orginal AT&T 6.0 ROM with Radio,
I flashed Alex's ROM 5.2 Home
I flashed Dutty's Apr 16 6.1 ROM.

Everything worked as I "would expect"

When what you expect to happen, is what isn't expected to happen...
Did the expected or unexpected really happen?

XC

[Macgyvec3]

Did anyone who flashed this Radio get HSUPA or faster internet speeds?

[GSLEON3]

Okay, for you guys stuck, I'm working on a Erasing the radio & reflashing via MTTY. It's kinda risky, but using the pasword from the SPL in this nb (Can anybody confirm the HArdSPL was NOT overwritten) I think we can erase the current radio using MTTY & then falsh via lnb to the same address a new radio. I'll see if maybe I can get pof or Jocky to look at this concept, but basically it'd be like this:
open mtty
USB> password BsaD5SeoA
USB> set 1e 1
USB> password BsaD5SeoA
HTCSPass1.CMˆËHTCEUSB> erase axxxxxxx c80000
HTCST ÚÈÒHTCEUSB>password BsaD5SeoA
HTCSPass1.CMˆËHTCEUSB> erase a0cc0000 c80000
HTCST ÚÈÒHTCEUSB>password BsaD5SeoA
HTCSPass1.CMˆËHTCEUSB> erase axxxxxx 640000
HTCST ÚÈÒHTCEUSB> set 1e 0
USB>
USB>lnb c:\KaiserRomKitchen\RadioOS.nb

THIS IS A HERMES CONCEPT I PLAYED WITH BEFORE. IT IS CONCEPT ONLY AT THIS TIME. DO NOT ATTEMPT IT!!!

[jockyw2001]

Oh, tho conceptually looking sound, it's a bit too tricky I'm afraid.
I will analyze this radio and get back to ya.

[AllTheWay]

Oh, tho conceptually looking sound, it's a bit too tricky I'm afraid.
I will analyze this radio and get back to ya.

Great. Let me know if you need somebody to test it out.

You figure this out man and I smell a donation coming your way :) Same goes for you GSELON3

[JimmyMcGee]

Okay, for you guys stuck, I'm working on a Erasing the radio & reflashing via MTTY. It's kinda risky, but using the pasword from the SPL in this nb (Can anybody confirm the HArdSPL was NOT overwritten) I think we can erase the current radio using MTTY & then falsh via lnb to the same address a new radio. I'll see if maybe I can get pof or Jocky to look at this concept, but basically it'd be like this:
open mtty
USB> password BsaD5SeoA
USB> set 1e 1
USB> password BsaD5SeoA
HTCSPass1.CMˆËHTCEUSB> erase axxxxxxx c80000
HTCST ÚÈÒHTCEUSB>password BsaD5SeoA
HTCSPass1.CMˆËHTCEUSB> erase a0cc0000 c80000
HTCST ÚÈÒHTCEUSB>password BsaD5SeoA
HTCSPass1.CMˆËHTCEUSB> erase axxxxxx 640000
HTCST ÚÈÒHTCEUSB> set 1e 0
USB>
USB>lnb c:\KaiserRomKitchen\RadioOS.nb

THIS IS A HERMES CONCEPT I PLAYED WITH BEFORE. IT IS CONCEPT ONLY AT THIS TIME. DO NOT ATTEMPT IT!!!

Seems to me that it should work. I see some newbie trying it. Let me reintegrate for any newbie about to try it currently. DO NOT!

I never got around to flashing to this radio, I've never been more happy at my users for interrupting me when I'm trying to get my XDA on. I just have to laugh at the Sigs that Say "RADIO: 1.65.17.10 (Like I have a Choice" Or something similar. Your pain is funny to me, just a little.

[Laurentius26]

On my other device 'HTC Universal' I erase the radio with these commands:

USB> password 0000000000000000 (( Returns: HTCSPass1.CMˆËHTCEUSB> ))
USB> set 1e 1 (( Returns: USB> ))
USB> erase a0040000 c80000 (( Returns: HTCST ÚÈÒHTCEUSB> ))
USB> erase a0cc0000 c80000 ((Returns: HTCST ÚÈÒHTCEUSB> ))
USB> erase a1940000 640000 (( Returns: HTCST ÚÈÒHTCEUSB> ))
USB> set 1e 0 ((Returns: USB> ))

The addresses are the same isn't?

[_RMB_]

Oh, tho conceptually looking sound, it's a bit too tricky I'm afraid.
I will analyze this radio and get back to ya.

thank you for your help jocky ...as it seems your security unlocker is the only way this radio problem didnt affect.....but now for people who didnt use your security unlocker before this radio are stuck and cant even try to use your tool.....i for one (and P1tater) were able to change radio because (we feel) we had our device securty unlocked with your tool.....http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361236

thanks

[jockyw2001]

For those who are *not* security unlocked *and* installed 1.65.17.10, try to flash the patched 1.65.17.10 here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/109884045/Kaiser_Radio-1.65.17.10-patched.zip.html

Enter bootloader mode and enter "rtask a", then type "help" (this is not echoed to screen) and let me know if you see this:
Invalid command : help
For a help screen, ask JockyW :D or h

If this is confirmed I can easily patch it again and code a security unlocker to jailbreak your kaiser :)

[AllTheWay]

For those who are *not* security unlocked *and* installed 1.65.17.10, try to flash the patched 1.65.17.10 here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/109884045/Kaiser_Radio-1.65.17.10-patched.zip.html

Enter bootloader mode and enter "rtask a", then type "help" (this is not echoed to screen) and let me know if you see this:
Invalid command : help
For a help screen, ask JockyW :D or h

If this is confirmed I can easily patch it again and code a security unlocker to jailbreak your kaiser :)

testing now... I will report back.

[GSLEON3]

Hey guys, After further analyzing I need to report that there are (3) THREE radio .nb files in this rom.

Weird stuff.

[MickyMax]

Three ? are you sure ? I can see two but the third... ?

[GSLEON3]

On my other device 'HTC Universal' I erase the radio with these commands:

USB> password 0000000000000000 (( Returns: HTCSPass1.CMˆËHTCEUSB> ))
USB> set 1e 1 (( Returns: USB> ))
USB> erase a0040000 c80000 (( Returns: HTCST ÚÈÒHTCEUSB> ))
USB> erase a0cc0000 c80000 ((Returns: HTCST ÚÈÒHTCEUSB> ))
USB> erase a1940000 640000 (( Returns: HTCST ÚÈÒHTCEUSB> ))
USB> set 1e 0 ((Returns: USB> ))

The addresses are the same isn't?

Again, this would probably work, but I need to EMPHASIZE that the addresses I used are for concetual purposes only, & a figment of my imagination.

Also another concept would be how I used to upload raw OS data via MTTY to change the page pool. The main issue I see with either of these concepts though is that if the new data has a bigger allocation than the existing radio.

Again, These are advanced concepts, NOOBIES, do NOT attempt this, nor should you ever atempt flashig via MTTY, it is very risky to say the least. These concepts are in no way meant to be used as the info in them is not correct for the current address allocation

[dwsco]

Seems to me that it should work. I see some newbie trying it. Let me reintegrate for any newbie about to try it currently. DO NOT!

I never got around to flashing to this radio, I've never been more happy at my users for interrupting me when I'm trying to get my XDA on. I just have to laugh at the Sigs that Say "RADIO: 1.65.17.10 (Like I have a Choice" Or something similar. Your pain is funny to me, just a little.

Glad I could amuse... :)

Seriously though, things could be much worse.. I could have a shiny door stop.
My only consolation is that I wasn't the only one.... a lot of senior members with much more flashing and fixing experience fell for it too. And hey, by not flashing it you're missing out on all the fun :)
Anyways, the good news is that at least the radio isn't a total dud.. it does work. The even better news is that the Wizards of the Wiki are cooking up a potion and we're all learning something from this (in my case, wait a couple of hours.. or days.. before you flash the new ROM :) )

[GSLEON3]

Three ? are you sure ? I can see two but the third... ?

EDIT: Ooops, opened the wrong file, hehe. Now after disassembling the real file it's not a radio, but something strange. This third 17K kb file is strange.

[leoiden]

For those who are *not* security unlocked *and* installed 1.65.17.10, try to flash the patched 1.65.17.10 here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/109884045/Kaiser_Radio-1.65.17.10-patched.zip.html

Enter bootloader mode and enter "rtask a", then type "help" (this is not echoed to screen) and let me know if you see this:
Invalid command : help
For a help screen, ask JockyW :D or h

If this is confirmed I can easily patch it again and code a security unlocker to jailbreak your kaiser :)

how do you enter rtask a?:confused:

[jockyw2001]

how do you enter rtask a?:confused:
enter bootloader and type "rtask a" followed by "help"

[AllTheWay]

seems you are typing on the wrong keyboard ...

the idea is to connect with mtty, but leave it to the pros :D

Here's what I got back

Cmd>rtask a
POWER OFF PMIC VREG_USB : SUCCESS!
C VREG_USB : SUCCESS!
Invalid command : help

I am unable to get back to the Cmd> prompt to type help. Using MTTY 1.42

[jockyw2001]

Okay thanks, it means there is a version check somewhere. I'll see what I can do.

Btw to return to Cmd> you should type "retuoR"

[AllTheWay]

Okay thanks, it means there is a version check somewhere. I'll see what I can do.

Btw to return to Cmd> you should type "retuoR"

Ok thank you. Does it matter what MTTY I use?

[GSLEON3]

enter bootloader and type "rtask a" followed by "help"

Guys, rtask a followed by h or ?

[jockyw2001]

No, mtty version doesn't matter.

Btw, the radio bootloader in this radio is dated Apr 10 2008. It's brandnew and obviously some HTC engineers read this forum and corrected a bug. The bug in all other radios is that after "rtask a" and "radata" followed by "GO2AMSS", the phone would change state to qualcomm download mode. I'm xploiting that mode to unbrick "task 2a" bricks. It's a pity they fixed that.

[AllTheWay]

No, mtty version doesn't matter.

Btw, the radio bootloader in this radio is dated Apr 10 2008. It's brandnew and obviously some HTC engineers read this forum and corrected a bug. The bug in all other radios is that after "rtask a" and "radata" followed by "GO2AMSS", the phone would change state to qualcomm download mode. I'm xploiting that mode to unbrick "task 2a" bricks. It's a pity they fixed that.

So I am assuming we are just hanging tight for right now

[jockyw2001]

So I am assuming we are just hanging tight for right now
Yeah, but we'll deal with it soon.

[AllTheWay]

Guys, rtask a followed by h or ?

Tried this. Just goes back to the Cmd>

[GSLEON3]

No, mtty version doesn't matter.

Btw, the radio bootloader in this radio is dated Apr 10 2008. It's brandnew and obviously some HTC engineers read this forum and corrected a bug. The bug in all other radios is that after "rtask a" and "radata" followed by "GO2AMSS", the phone would change state to qualcomm download mode. I'm xploiting that mode to unbrick "task 2a" bricks. It's a pity they fixed that.

Nevermind I got it it was same radio lumped with SPL.

[GSLEON3]

Tried this. Just goes back to the Cmd>


The ? or h is a seperate command. don't put it on the tail of the first command.

[AllTheWay]

The ? or h is a seperate command. don't put it on the tail of the first command.

Cmd>rtask a
POWER OFF PMIC VREG_USB : SUCCESS!
C VREG_USB : SUCCESS!
Invalid command : ?
Invalid command : h
Invalid command : help

still get this.

[dwsco]

Try it out, I was going to do that tonight. Let me know what happens.

:D

No joy on going back to OEM and original SPL, at least not for me. Once I managed to flash the SPL back, every ROM I tried to flash told me it was an invalid vendor. I tried all the HTC, Cigular, ATT&T and Vodafone ones I could find. I bought my Tilt used, and being a Tilt I assumed it was AT&T originally but...

Anyways, couldn't flash anything 'official' and didn't want to try a cooked ROM with the original SPL so I don't think this is the answer. I'm holding out great hopes for the work being done though and am more than willing to test anything anyone comes up with.

[GSLEON3]

Okay, it can be overwritten uploading data to the device. Phew, I was sweating that out for a bit. I just did it & so far I haven't noticed anything adverse. I'm gonna wait & see what Jocky comes up with b'c he's a hell of a lot smarter than I. I can figure out the how, but I'm not a developer & can't package everything nice & easy for others like the true work horses of xda.

After all really I'm just a Noobie, like many others, but I have read a few years worth of Oli, pof & especially Jocky posts & tut's from other threads & other websites, & I don't mind risking it all from time to time. I really encourage you Kaiser owners & all new to WM, take some time to stray into the Blue Angel & Hermes threads to see all of the info & tools & the thought behind them. For the true noobies, you have no idea how easy you have it from the original xda days. But I digress.

Anyway, I'm 100% confident there'll be a pretty easy (well, easy for the above mentioned to create & for you to execute) fix for all of you still stuck.

Till then I'll let you know if my device dies tonight. :D

[Dinamitci]

I don't have SuperCID, just HardSPL. Can't do SuperCID now cause the 'special radio' won't flash. Stuck at 1.65.17.10 . But it's not that bad at all. The radio works perfectly until now. No problems with texting (about 100 of them) and HSDPA is working also stable at full speed (3+Mb/s). Signal is always 100% here, so can't say anything about that. Battery I don't know, cause of my usage I charge at least once a day anyway. GPS like always within 10seconds when using QuickGPS. Someone asked if it enabled HSUPA, but if I'm right the Kaiser doesn't have HSUPA hardware at all, can't tell it anyway because HSUPA is not available yet overhere.

[Olipro]

Wow, I wonder if this is HTCs response to the hacked radio... I'll have to take a look at this then

[cmonex]

I doesnt think so! jockys unlocker do the same like olipro etc ... they change only 2 bytes!!!

wrong. Olipro one changes a lot more.

[Olipro]

2 bytes, god, what a fucking dipshit.

even AFTER pof explained it wasn't a 2 byte patch senor dickhead still maintains we ripped off jocky, well, I'll get jocky to post that it's got sweet fuck all to do with him then.

[cmonex]

heh he can contact us (OliNex = Olipro or me) and we can see if he can be saved :P

[ugoff]

I don't have SuperCID, just HardSPL. Can't do SuperCID now cause the 'special radio' won't flash. Stuck at 1.65.17.10 . But it's not that bad at all. The radio works perfectly until now. No problems with texting (about 100 of them) and HSDPA is working also stable at full speed (3+Mb/s). Signal is always 100% here, so can't say anything about that. Battery I don't know, cause of my usage I charge at least once a day anyway. GPS like always within 10seconds when using QuickGPS. Someone asked if it enabled HSUPA, but if I'm right the Kaiser doesn't have HSUPA hardware at all, can't tell it anyway because HSUPA is not available yet overhere.

I've encountered similar performance after upgrading to Dutty's 5.2.19209 ROM last night (the 19199 was terrible with this radio...). I've found that the camera doesn't work, much like previous radio ROM/camera issues. Also, Slide2Unlock Pro appears not to work, but I'm not sure if that's radio related (dunno why it would be...) or if it's the new OS. Does your camera work?

[Eddieh31]

hey man, he was asking which roms actually work with this radio?

the problem i am having is

when phone rings and i answer it i get dead silence or a hissing noise from the phone and cant hang up...must reset

camera does not work at all.

sound disapears once you make a phone call or receive a phone call.

unit locks up frequently.

i tried duttys 4/1/08 and 4/16/08 and stock 6.1 but all had the same issue after hard reset. he wants to know which roms DONT DO THIS with the locked radio!!

[ugoff]

Seriously?? have you NOT read the thread?

To answer your question this works for any WM 6.1 but ONCE YOU INSTALL THIS RADIO YOU CANNOT CHANGE IT.

Ok. For those of us who tested it first and are now stuck with it. Dutty's 5.2.19209 ROM will run, but camera doesn't work. Official AT&T ROM in this thread Here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=387378) that comes with this radio obviously will work properly.

[dwsco]

Ok. For those of us who tested it first and are now stuck with it. Dutty's 5.2.19209 ROM will run, but camera doesn't work. Official AT&T ROM in this thread Here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=387378) that comes with this radio obviously will work properly.

I'm using HyperDragon II and it works fine. No problems with calls, GPS works (actually very well) and so does the camera.

I also read that the new TNT ROM is working well with this radio but you should confirm with someone who is using it.

[AllTheWay]

heh he can contact us (OliNex = Olipro or me) and we can see if he can be saved :P

Any help would be appreciated at this point. I am truly lost. I am actually kind of enjoying this. It's becoming a challenge now :) Great to see so many prominent XDA-Developer member's in one thread putting their heads together.
I will put a bounty of $50 US dollars if anybody can solve this. I know it doesn’t sound like a lot too somebody in Europe (50.00 USD = 31.5314 EUR) or worse yet the UK (50.00 USD = 25.2582 GBP) but I would just like to get this solved.


Seriously?? have you NOT read the thread?

To answer your question this works for any WM 6.1 but ONCE YOU INSTALL THIS RADIO YOU CANNOT CHANGE IT.

Actually you can, read this.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2142793&postcount=97

[austinsnyc]

sorry for not reading all the threads but I just saw that we can't change the radio. To be clear is this just tilt users or all Kaisers? to be more on point if we bought are kaisers direct that are not locked to a provider can we flash another radio? I know in my case i dumped the .exe and rewrapped the radio.nb into a ruu_signed.nbh and I am wondering If i am stuck lol!

[scotchua]

Any help would be appreciated at this point. I am truly lost. I am actually kind of enjoying this. It's becoming a challenge now :) Great to see so many prominent XDA-Developer member's in one thread putting their heads together.
I will put a bounty of $50 US dollars if anybody can solve this. I know it doesn’t sound like a lot too somebody in Europe (50.00 USD = 31.5314 EUR) or worse yet the UK (50.00 USD = 25.2582 GBP) but I would just like to get this solved.




Actually you can, read this.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2142793&postcount=97

i just might just have to match that, since there is a lot of hard work going into it.

[scotchua]

I'm using HyperDragon II and it works fine. No problems with calls, GPS works (actually very well) and so does the camera.

I also read that the new TNT ROM is working well with this radio but you should confirm with someone who is using it.

i'm using the TNT rom and it's working fine.

[AllTheWay]

sorry for not reading all the threads but I just saw that we can't change the radio. To be clear is this just tilt users or all Kaisers? to be more on point if we bought are kaisers direct that are not locked to a provider can we flash another radio? I know in my case i dumped the .exe and rewrapped the radio.nb into a ruu_signed.nbh and I am wondering If i am stuck lol!

Have you done this (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361236) previously before flashing the radio? Kaiser SuperCID and Security Unlocker v0.1

Try changing the radio and see what happens :)

Hopefully you won't get stuck too.

[austinsnyc]

Have you done this previously to flashing the radio? Kaiser SuperCID and Security Unlocker v0.1

Try changing the radio and see what happens :)

Hopefully you won't get stuck too.

IM FUCKING STUCK NOW ALSO!! just tried flashing the niki radio on a real kaiser from HTC and stuck on the damn AT-T radio lol.... Fcukers!
No problems with sound or anything but how shady is this shit HTC!!!!

[AllTheWay]

IM FUCKING STUCK NOW ALSO!! just tried flashing the niki radio on a real kaiser from HTC and stuck on the damn AT-T radio lol.... Fcukers!

Pull up a chair. Come join the fun :D

[AllTheWay]

there has to be an easy fix for this lol.... I have one in mind selling this crap phone for something new I am bored anyway :)

Don't give up. I almost did. Look how much fun you will miss. Inputting MTTY commands, flashing, and then flashing again to get something that works.

Isn't this fun :D

seems to be a lot of that sentiment going around today.


I am going to hold off for a while. Just had a 46 min phone call and battery only went down 5% :D

[Eddieh31]

look, all i want is for my phone to work. can someone please point me to the hyperdragon 2 rom or any rom that this radio is stable with and i will take it. thanks a lot

[shutter13]

look, all i want is for my phone to work. can someone please point me to the hyperdragon 2 rom or any rom that this radio is stable with and i will take it. thanks a lot

TNT ROM (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=385900)

Hyperdragon II ROM (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=386519)

[Eddieh31]

HORRAY!

temp fix for all who are having bad expierence with 165.17.10

upgrade to TNT ROM. it worked for me. camera, phone, gps and internet now working ok now

[msharaf]

This is horrible to get stuck with a Radio ROM.

I have an idea (no way to try it myself, sorry)

We need to write on the protection part that we ignore where it is. Try to flash full official ROM or NoThrills ROM v3.
Last one did reset every thing I hv customized even Boot splash.

Cheers

[austinsnyc]

back on track please!!!!! Is POF or Oli around? we need to figure out how to get this fucking radio off are Kaisers ASAP cuz you know something better is coming soon! WM7 is just around the corner!

[AllTheWay]

Exactly back on topic.

This radio suck's by the way. Was using my GPS this morning. Battery went from 64% to 38% in 17 min using iGO. Ouch!!!

Call quality is good and reception is as well but this things chews up my battery. HELP is definitely needed. Jocky, GSLEON3, cmonex, Olipro, have all tried to help solve this. I just think we will need some time. Hopefully we won't have to wait long, but I can hang with bad battery if it's only for a while.

I have already pledge $50 bucks to whoever can solve this. Anybody else want to throw some money in the pot?

[scotchua]

Exactly back on topic.

This radio suck's by the way. Was using my GPS this morning. Battery went from 64% to 38% in 17 min using iGO. Ouch!!!

Call quality is good and reception is as well but this things chews up my battery. HELP is definitely needed. Jocky, GSLEON3, cmonex, Olipro, have all tried to help solve this. I just think we will need some time. Hopefully we won't have to wait long, but I can hang with bad battery if it's only for a while.

I have already pledge $50 bucks to whoever can solve this. Anybody else want to throw some money in the pot?

Count me in for $50 as well, it'd be money well spent and a lot cheaper than buying a new one ;)

[LunaC]

Okay, this is odd. The rom this radio comes from has 2 SPL's & 2 Radios. Hmmm... I'm disassembling the 2nd now. The first radio/SPL all looks normal, & since I had no issues with the rom once the test ruu was removed, I'm guessing the issue lies in this second one.

I'm thinkin' this may have something to do with IntShrUI & an attempt to incorporate a way for AT&T to charge you for tethering.

Maybe they are virtualizing the radio and that is capturing the at commands? If that is the case, maybe a jump is needed for the hypervisor radio to not run the virtual radio? Just thoughts.

[JimmyMcGee]

Exactly back on topic.

This radio suck's by the way. Was using my GPS this morning. Battery went from 64% to 38% in 17 min using iGO. Ouch!!!

Call quality is good and reception is as well but this things chews up my battery. HELP is definitely needed. Jocky, GSLEON3, cmonex, Olipro, have all tried to help solve this. I just think we will need some time. Hopefully we won't have to wait long, but I can hang with bad battery if it's only for a while.

I have already pledge $50 bucks to whoever can solve this. Anybody else want to throw some money in the pot?

I didn't get a chance to flash this radio. But When a solution is found I will Donate to the bounty.

[austinsnyc]

i have a feeling it has to do with checking the radio version. You can only flash something higher? I guess time will tell when i new radio comes out :) there is no way they can lock you into just one radio or they wouldnt be doing any more radio upgrades.

[JimmyMcGee]

i have a feeling it has to do with checking the radio version. You can only flash something higher? I guess time will tell when i new radio comes out :) there is no way they can lock you into just one radio or they wouldnt be doing any more radio upgrades.

Yeah it's checking something. The next radio they release will be able to over-write this, I bet. I don't know if there is a "protected bit" or it's checking Radio numbers or what. Lets just hope they don't do this to their ROMs.

[jyavenard]

damn, found this ROM RUU_Kaiser_WWE_6.1_AKU_1.0.2_Build_ 19209_1.65.17.10.exe
installed to have a try and then I read this post.
in the mean time the flashing crashed half way so I thought I was safe.

well, unfortunately not. put latest Dutty's ROM: and no camera :( just a black screen.

[AllTheWay]

Count me in for $50 as well, it'd be money well spent and a lot cheaper than buying a new one ;)

The pot will go up in two weeks if nobody can still solve this, so it would be around $150.

[GSLEON3]

Exactly back on topic.

This radio suck's by the way. Was using my GPS this morning. Battery went from 64% to 38% in 17 min using iGO. Ouch!!!

Call quality is good and reception is as well but this things chews up my battery. HELP is definitely needed. Jocky, GSLEON3, cmonex, Olipro, have all tried to help solve this. I just think we will need some time. Hopefully we won't have to wait long, but I can hang with bad battery if it's only for a while.

I have already pledge $50 bucks to whoever can solve this. Anybody else want to throw some money in the pot?

As honored as I am to see my name next to those genuises, it doesn't belong there. For all I am is a literate guy that is intrigued by reading & following the true work of the truly brilliant.

Unfortuantely, I am back at the drawing board & now in worse shape than all of you! LOL. Yes, I got the radio out of my device by erasing the location with mtty, (Using another Kaiser I have, one that's still security locked) & while I flashed a new radio & it worked, I then last night hard reset & then had no volume. Device still reported the 1.64 I flashed, but now I have no radio & can't flash another!!! LOL, so I got rid of it, but whatever they patched to disallow overwritting persisted & hence I have a radioless kaiser.

Well, I guess I now have true incentive to try & find a fix! Good thing I have a couple of these puppies left. :o

Guess I'll be re-anylizing the radios & spl's that are in this new rom.

I have a Q though, probably will answer it myself, but whoever posted the Original ripped radio, did you extract & remove the SPL.nb from it? Or did you just run the nbh extractor & pull out the complete mbh including the SPL?

[shutter13]

The pot will go up in two weeks if nobody can still solve this, so it would be around $150.

My daughter's birthday today, so kinda tapped out this paycheck, but in a week, I'm down for 50.00

[GSLEON3]

No more PM's to pof, cmonex, Jocky or Oli.

They're all aware of the situation & pof's already looking at it I believe, as are the others!

EDIT: UPDATE! There is a bit of progress, I seem to be okay & haven't overwritten the AMSS or the Radio Boot Loader. Do NOT attempt a uploading data via MTTY though. One slip, if you overwrite any of the Radio Bootloader, you're completely screwed as it boots before SPL on these devices. There will be no recovwery for that. There is a solid concept forming, regarding a smal version hex edit to OEMSBL, but it's just a test conceot being worked out by the Gods.

I encourage everyone to be patient & keep in mind all the great things brought to you by, well, you know who they are. They do most of this out of a love of frustration & blazing curiousity. While I have another Kaiser & am fine regardless of the outcome, I can tell you that I will definitely be making a couple of Donations to those here that give so much of their time & work so freely.

[jyavenard]

Or did you just run the nbh extractor & pull out the complete mbh including the SPL?

for what it's worth, i didn't use the radio only version, and i'm also stuck on 1.65.17.10
so i don't think the issue is with the extraction of the radio

[SH4YD33]

As honored as I am to see my name next to those genuises, it doesn't belong there. For all I am is a literate guy that is intrigued by reading & following the true work of the truly brilliant.

Unfortuantely, I am back at the drawing board & now in worse shape than all of you! LOL. Yes, I got the radio out of my device by erasing the location with mtty, (Using another Kaiser I have, one that's still security locked) & while I flashed a new radio & it worked, I then last night hard reset & then had no volume. Device still reported the 1.64 I flashed, but now I have no radio & can't flash another!!! LOL, so I got rid of it, but whatever they patched to disallow overwritting persisted & hence I have a radioless kaiser.

Well, I guess I now have true incentive to try & find a fix! Good thing I have a couple of these puppies left. :o

Guess I'll be re-anylizing the radios & spl's that are in this new rom.

I have a Q though, probably will answer it myself, but whoever posted the Original ripped radio, did you extract & remove the SPL.nb from it? Or did you just run the nbh extractor & pull out the complete mbh including the SPL?

I extracted the .NBH. And rebuilt the NBH with the radio only. No SPL, Splash Screens, OS.. ETC

[GSLEON3]

for what it's worth, i didn't use the radio only version, and i'm also stuck on 1.65.17.10
so i don't think the issue is with the extraction of the radio

Thanks for the try there bud! You miss the point of the question however. The ROM has two nbh files. One has several .nb files in it which include, the OS, SPL, Radio & splash. The second nbh in the rom has another version of the radio & another version of SPL.

I'm not at my office, so I don't have eeverything in front of me, but my question was wether the OP just took the 17K nbh from the original rom thinking it was a clean radio because of it's size, & not realizing that it also should've been unpacked, removing the SPL.

[AllTheWay]

I encourage everyone to be patient & keep in mind all the great things brought to you by, well, you know who they are. They do most of this out of a love of frustration & blazing curiousity. While I have another Kaiser & am fine regardless of the outcome, I can tell you that I will definitely be making a couple of Donations to those here that give so much of their time & work so freely.

Well said good sir. I will be doing the same. The bounty that I offer will be given regardless of the outcome.

[xcsdm]

hi guys i am a noob here so tell me to go jump if i am getting this wrong

i have a V1516 UK Vodaphone unlocked with Kaiser unlocker that was stuck on radio Rom 1.65.14.06 was was unable to downgrade to any previous rom after installing confused stu's rom Mobile Vista v1.3 (3.14 base) WM6.1 5.2.19209- ( nothing against this rom but just wanted to play with a few others)
every time i tryed to change rom through the PC USB connection it was give a 284 error at around 70%

got the rom downgraded using the Micro SD card upgrade method - flashed back to the HTC rom version 3.03.405.0 WWE radio 1.64.06.04

dont know if this will work with radio 1.65.17.10 but if it does its an easy way out

happy phone bricking:D

First, I've got to say thank for an excellent first post. Informative, logically, and possibly even helpful. (Hey, if we're gonna flame the boobs, give props to the noobs)

Next is the Q:
Obviously the area where the radio rom is writen is writeable memory... duh
Something during the update process blocks what I assume is an older radio from overwriting this radio. We saw similar issues with the Hermes SPL. Certain bootloaders required some creative ingenuity to downgrade.
Is it possible some part of the standard RUU and/or custom RUU is looking at a bit that prevents it from overwriting certain areas?
As in, can we simply "fix" the RUU to allow writing to these areas?

XC

[GSLEON3]

First, I've got to say thank for an excellent first post. Informative, logically, and possibly even helpful. (Hey, if we're gonna flame the boobs, give props to the noobs)

Next is the Q:
Obviously the area where the radio rom is writen is writeable memory... duh
Something during the update process blocks what I assume is an older radio from overwriting this radio. We saw similar issues with the Hermes SPL. Certain bootloaders required some creative ingenuity to downgrade.
Is it possible some part of the standard RUU and/or custom RUU is looking at a bit that prevents it from overwriting certain areas?
As in, can we simply "fix" the RUU to allow writing to these areas?

XC


It's not the SPL. More to do with the OEMSBL on this issue. It's possible that it's looking at radio version, that's what jockys looking at, a moddified OEMSBL with a hex edit to identify as the offending radio. ;)

But it's not a problem with SPL. The HardSPL is patched not to be Overwritten & this radio only version was indeed stripped of the SPL anyway.

[xcsdm]

It's not the SPL. More to do with the OEMSBL on this issue. It's possible that it's looking at radio version, that's what jockys looking at, a moddified OEMSBL with a hex edit to identify as the offending radio. ;)

But it's not a problem with SPL. The HardSPL is patched not to be Overwritten & this radio only version was indeed stripped of the SPL anyway.


Okay then, now I've gotta ask the question for learning sake.
I assume then that the SPL is responsible for writing the ROM image to the device, while the RUU must essentially pass the image to SPL for writing.

I had been under the impression that the RUU actually wrote directly to flash, and that the various boot loaders needed patched to accept these ROMs as bootable.

XC

[austinsnyc]

i can confirm that I stripped the SPL before I packaged and flashed this radio. I flashed the radio only and not the rom but it is working good with the 202 build I am running :) GPS kind of slow to lock on thought sometimes :(

[GSLEON3]

Okay then, now I've gotta ask the question for learning sake.
I assume then that the SPL is responsible for writing the ROM image to the device, while the RUU must essentially pass the image to SPL for writing.

I had been under the impression that the RUU actually wrote directly to flash, and that the various boot loaders needed patched to accept these ROMs as bootable.

XC

Try Disassembling a SPL sometime w/ IDA Pro or if you know your crap w/ Radare. You'll learn lots. Boot Loader is a product of the SPL. The SPL is Launched by the radio boot loader in the Kaiser. When flashing a ROM, your device does not just take the data & write it as it exists in the nbh, no it's is broken down & various system calls are made to download the data. For flashing ROMs the SPL is actually patched to allow for flashing of a ROM with any CID (Carrier ID). I won't go into detail, because it doesn't belong here, but you can learn some pretty neat things about SPL, OEMSBL in the Hermes & a few other older Forum threads. You also have a QCPBL & QCSBL

Disassembly though will give you a much better idea of all the different functions of an SPL. The SPL also loads the OS or more correctly copies the OS code into RAM.

[cmonex]

Okay then, now I've gotta ask the question for learning sake.
I assume then that the SPL is responsible for writing the ROM image to the device, while the RUU must essentially pass the image to SPL for writing.

I had been under the impression that the RUU actually wrote directly to flash, and that the various boot loaders needed patched to accept these ROMs as bootable.

XC



your impression is totally incorrect.

the RUU does not much more than pushing the image to the SPL, the SPL does the flashing for the wince part, with the exception of the radio data which is passed to the radio bootloader then that flashes it.

[cmonex]

Unfortuantely, I am back at the drawing board & now in worse shape than all of you! LOL. Yes, I got the radio out of my device by erasing the location with mtty, (Using another Kaiser I have, one that's still security locked) & while I flashed a new radio & it worked, I then last night hard reset & then had no volume. Device still reported the 1.64 I flashed, but now I have no radio & can't flash another!!! LOL, so I got rid of it, but whatever they patched to disallow overwritting persisted & hence I have a radioless kaiser.



er, exactly what did you erase? you later say it wasn't the radio after all (you can't erase that as easily as on the hermes anyway).

[cmonex]

HELP is definitely needed. Jocky, GSLEON3, cmonex, Olipro, have all tried to help solve this.


we haven't reallyhad a chance yet to talk to you except for 1-2 PM's, could you come on IRC so we can talk?

server is: irc.freenode.org
channel is: #xda-devs

if you can't get an irc client then use java: http://java.freenode.net/
change the channel name to xda-devs and change your nick to something else too

[AllTheWay]

we haven't reallyhad a chance yet to talk to you except for 1-2 PM's, could you come on IRC so we can talk?

server is: irc.freenode.org
channel is: #xda-devs

if you can't get an irc client then use java: http://java.freenode.net/
change the channel name to xda-devs and change your nick to something else too

Ok I sent a message back to Olipro. I will try to get on irc right now.

[jyavenard]

Tried TNT, don't like it, mainly because I can't use the Telstra settings to access the WAP.
Which worked fine with Dutty's ROM.

Other than the camera/video, what else doesn't work with some ROM when using this AT&T radio ?
I may just install the dutty's ROM while waiting for someone to find a fix for this.
I can live without the camera

[sirooga]

So do we have any confirmation that SuperCID makes it safe to flash this radio? Or shall I try it? I hear it gets really good reception in my area so I'm not too concerned with being stuck with it for a while.

[AllTheWay]

So do we have any confirmation that SuperCID makes it safe to flash this radio? Or shall I try it? I hear it gets really good reception in my area so I'm not too concerned with being stuck with it for a while.

Get ready for horrible battery life. Honestly I would not flash this radio, but hey it's up to you.

[sirooga]

Get ready for horrible battery life. Honestly I would not flash this radio, but hey it's up to you.

That's why I'm trying to find out if we have any confirmation about SuperCID allowing me to flash away again later. I leave my phone plugged in a good part of the day anyway so I'm not too concerned about the battery.

[AllTheWay]

That's why I'm trying to find out if we have any confirmation about SuperCID allowing me to flash away again later. I leave my phone plugged in a good part of the day anyway so I'm not too concerned about the battery.

If your phone says security unlocked or something like that in the very top when you are in bootloader you should be good to go, but if you just want my opinion I wouldn't do it, but P1Tater and renembarr don't have any issues

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2142793&postcount=97

[sirooga]

Ok now for the sake of what I hope was to help with the genius's fixing this problem I flashed the radio after I SuperCID unlocked my phone. Whatever that program does to the phone it makes me able to flash back to any radio of my choosing. (I don't recommend to anyone doing this just for fun btw) Hopefully this confirms what people have been thinking about SuperCID unlocked phones and helps to solve the problem.

[cmonex]

news:

after lots of disassembly I have to say ATT probably blocked flashing (unless you are sec unlocked).

they put in some retarded check to block both updates/downgrades.

you can flash this fine if you ensure you are already security unlocked. two options to get that, either you can use jocky's stuff to do it, or if you do Olipro's patched radio, then you have to run the ATCommander to permanently enable sec unlock (i.e. even if an unpatched radio is flashed onto it).

now, of course, this crappy radio image can be patched so it would be flashed already patched, and then there are no problems. let us know if you want that.

but if your new ATT Tilt comes with a retarded version of radio (or you already flashed it), then it'll be hard to solve that

of course we never give up! :D

[cmonex]

Ok now for the sake of what I hope was to help with the genius's fixing this problem I flashed the radio after I SuperCID unlocked my phone. Whatever that program does to the phone it makes me able to flash back to any radio of my choosing. (I don't recommend to anyone doing this just for fun btw) Hopefully this confirms what people have been thinking about SuperCID unlocked phones and helps to solve the problem.


it is not the supercid, it is the security flag.

the code, after downloading the radio NB, checks for the flag state (stored in a sec area that isn't changed by just flashing an NBH), if the result indicates it's sec unlocked then it will skip the stupid check.

[sd73ta]

i know this is prob a dum question but if you used oli's to unlock your phone cn you then use jockeys to unlock so you dont have this security problem? hope that makes cents

[barrydavisjr]

i know this is prob a dum question but if you used oli's to unlock your phone cn you then use jockeys to unlock so you dont have this security problem? hope that makes cents

Yes, I originally used Olipro's then used Jockey's yesterday. Test flashed the radio only and successfully switched the radio.

[xcsdm]

Get ready for horrible battery life. Honestly I would not flash this radio, but hey it's up to you.

Did you try the other AT&T Radio floating around, 1.65.14.06 before switching to this rom?

I've been using it, and I haven't noticed any major issues. I cooked my own rom, so many bugs I attribute to the rom testing issues.

Just wondered if you could compare signal/reception/battery life between the Hell radio and 1.65.14.06.

XC

[dwsco]

Tried TNT, don't like it, mainly because I can't use the Telstra settings to access the WAP.
Which worked fine with Dutty's ROM.

Other than the camera/video, what else doesn't work with some ROM when using this AT&T radio ?
I may just install the dutty's ROM while waiting for someone to find a fix for this.
I can live without the camera

Well I couldn't make calls with Laurentias' new ROM. I could live without a camera too, but not a phone :) I haven't tried a Dutty ROM since I installed this radio but I suspect it will also cause you phone problems.

[P1Tater]

Well I couldn't make calls with Laurentias' new ROM. I could live without a camera too, but not a phone :) I haven't tried a Dutty ROM since I installed this radio but I suspect it will also cause you phone problems.

same as L26 on his latest. Alex made a rom since he is stuck also. Try his. I know it's compatible. It has to be. He's in the same boat with you guys.

[cmonex]

"same boat" reminds me ... we have an idea to get around the issue for those who've already flashed this shit, but that needs someone in this boat who is available to test the ideas

[P1Tater]

"same boat" reminds me ... we have an idea to get around the issue for those who've already flashed this shit, but that needs someone in this boat who is available to test the ideas

CMonex, u got a sec for me to ask a Q?

[jockyw2001]

I've analyzed this radio and as far as I can see HTC introduced a bug in the radio updater function :mad:

It first checks if the device is sec unlocked. If it is sec unlocked (which is *not* the same as sim or cid unlocked) then there is no problem, but if it isn't unlocked there is currently no way to flash another radio. So it is just a case of sloppy coding and bad quality assurance. I really can't imagine that this was done intentional.

I'm working on a general purpose unbricker and security unlocker. Eta hopefully within a week or two.

If you really want to flash this radio then make sure you security unlocked your phone with my sec unlocker (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361236).

[P1Tater]

I've analyzed this radio and as far as I can see HTC introduced a bug in the radio updater function :mad:

It first checks if the device is sec unlocked. If it is sec unlocked (which is *not* the same as sim or cid unlocked) then there is no problem, but if it isn't unlocked there is currently no way to flash another radio. So it is just a case of sloppy coding and bad quality assurance. I really can't imagine that this was done intentional.

I'm working on a general purpose unbricker and security unlocker. Eta hopefully within a week or two.

If you really want to flash this radio then make sure you security unlocked your phone with my sec unlocker (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361236).

Wow. You guys kick ass.

[AllTheWay]

"same boat" reminds me ... we have an idea to get around the issue for those who've already flashed this shit, but that needs someone in this boat who is available to test the ideas

Let me know what I need to do it. I'm ready to try anything.

This radio is killing me.

[Olipro]

i know this is prob a dum question but if you used oli's to unlock your phone cn you then use jockeys to unlock so you dont have this security problem? hope that makes cents

it does, even if you do have the spelling capabilities of a 4 year old.

if you flash my radio then you can just use an AT command via my free AtCommander to unlock it (AT@SIMLOCK=7,0) or use jocky's sim unlocker..

[Olipro]

I've analyzed this radio and as far as I can see HTC introduced a bug in the radio updater function :mad:

It first checks if the device is sec unlocked. If it is sec unlocked (which is *not* the same as sim or cid unlocked) then there is no problem, but if it isn't unlocked there is currently no way to flash another radio. So it is just a case of sloppy coding and bad quality assurance. I really can't imagine that this was done intentional.

I disagree, I believe this was fully intentional, I bet AT&T requested it; do the math... it checks for the 2 magic headers then sets a variable on stack; I bet anything AT&T requested HTC to do this - so a developer copied and pasted the if() already there, inserted it above the existing and changed the var value then made the other shit an elseif.

I'm working on a general purpose unbricker and security unlocker. Eta hopefully within a week or two.

why bother? as I said, you can just issue an AT command to my radio; and it avoids using that hacky oemsbl shit that ends up allocating a new NAND block.

[jyavenard]

Well I couldn't make calls with Laurentias' new ROM. I could live without a camera too, but not a phone :) I haven't tried a Dutty ROM since I installed this radio but I suspect it will also cause you phone problems.

Also founds that I have no sound.
My phone also doesn't charge anymore.

Battery is at 70%.. Took the battery out, will wait for a fix and see if my charging problem is fixed, hopefully my battery won't be flat by then
Time to take the iphone out again :)

[AllTheWay]

Ok time for the noob (me) to step back on the play ground.

So Olipro what do you suggest I do?

[P1Tater]

So, now I'm confused. Can this be fixed or can't it be? I'm getting mixed signals. Sorry, but this day has started out bad and I'm just off my game today.

[austinsnyc]

yes you have a seasoned hermes and kaiser cook stuck on this radio thats good with mtty and other shit ready to start testing let me know what you need me to do?/?

to jocky: I can't get your sec unlocker to run on Vista even when placed in the C:/ drive wtf? I was going to try and use the sec unlocker after i flashed this radio even though there is probably no point to it!

[GSLEON3]

What about hexing the versions numbers, "magic headers", etc. into a different (older) radio?

[jockyw2001]

to jocky: I can't get your sec unlocker to run on Vista even when placed in the C:/ drive wtf? I was going to try and use the sec unlocker after i flashed this radio even though there is probably no point to it!
Right, that makes no sense.

[GSLEON3]

Right, that makes no sense.

Austin, I never got it to work via Vista. But I think you need the patched radio anyway for the Sec. Unlocker, no?

Jocky, what about the AT@ commands. Could a person maybe use SSPL to flash over HardSPL1.0 with your AT@ command SPL for using the AT commands to unlock?

[austinsnyc]

figures and I trible boot linux mac and vista!!! oh well guess I'll be trying to get a spare drive for my laptop and install XP and go back to the 80's :)

[dilmen]

figures and I trible boot linux mac and vista!!! oh well guess I'll be trying to get a spare drive for my laptop and install XP and go back to the 80's :)

Run command at administrative mode. rigth click and will see run as administrator

[GSLEON3]

@ Jocky One last thing, the I gotta run for 30 min. What about patching this radio for use with your SuperCID + Security Unlocker??? You think since it wouls be the same radio, it could be flashed over the existing & then you SuperCID unlocker could be used to security unlock???

Seems to me that may be worth looking at.

[jockyw2001]

@ Jocky One last thing, the I gotta run for 30 min. What about patching this radio for use with your SuperCID + Security Unlocker??? You think since it wouls be the same radio, it could be flashed over the existing & then you SuperCID unlocker could be used to security unlock???

Seems to me that may be worth looking at.

Nope, won't work sorry.

George, ping me when you're back.

[P1Tater]

Nope, won't work sorry.

George, ping me when you're back.

Just wanted to say thank you jocky and to everyone trying to figure this out.

[cmonex]

CMonex, u got a sec for me to ask a Q?


sure, ask away. :)

[cmonex]

I've analyzed this radio and as far as I can see HTC introduced a bug in the radio updater function :mad:

It first checks if the device is sec unlocked. If it is sec unlocked (which is *not* the same as sim or cid unlocked) then there is no problem, but if it isn't unlocked there is currently no way to flash another radio. So it is just a case of sloppy coding and bad quality assurance. I really can't imagine that this was done intentional.

I'm working on a general purpose unbricker and security unlocker. Eta hopefully within a week or two.


heh, you are saying the same, but I was faster to post. :D

anyway, in my opinion programmers at HTC just cannot be *this* stupid. I did wonder if that was the case, but no, more likely that this was intentional :(

what is this general purpose unbricker? it would be nice to discuss that over msn :)

[P1Tater]

sure, ask away. :)

I was trying to figure out the difference between Oli's CID tool and Jocky's CID tool that allowed ones with Jocky's to use this radio w/o limitations and others with Oli's are not. I'm trying to wrap my head around this whole situation.

[cmonex]

I disagree, I believe this was fully intentional, I bet AT&T requested it; do the math...

yeah, consider how it adds new possible values for a variable, that absolutely make no sense. I mean, one of the flags would mean the image is signed and needs to be checked, another is unsigned, and so on, but this new one seems to have no purpose.



why bother? as I said, you can just issue an AT command to my radio; and it avoids using that hacky oemsbl shit that ends up allocating a new NAND block.

you don't like the idea of an unbricker?

[cmonex]

What about hexing the versions numbers, "magic headers", etc. into a different (older) radio?

NOOOO, you are not reading our posts. neither downgrade *nor* upgrade is possible!!

[cmonex]

Let me know what I need to do it. I'm ready to try anything.

This radio is killing me.


just answer on IRC then :P

[cmonex]

I was trying to figure out the difference between Oli's CID tool and Jocky's CID tool that allowed ones with Jocky's to use this radio w/o limitations and others with Oli's are not. I'm trying to wrap my head around this whole situation.


what do you mean by saying Olipro's tool has limitations?

if you mean the sec unlock state, yeah, if you don't use the ATCommander to set it to unlocked, then you will lose it when flashing another radio, for example this new shitty one.

other than that, both are fine. :)

but in both cases you must use the unlocker tools prior to flashing this crappy radio.

[P1Tater]

what do you mean by saying Olipro's tool has limitations?

if you mean the sec unlock state, yeah, if you don't use the ATCommander to set it to unlocked, then you will lose it when flashing another radio, for example this new shitty one.

other than that, both are fine. :)

but in both cases you must use the unlocker tools prior to flashing this crappy radio.

No, I'm sorry. I didnt mean to imply that it had limitations whatsoever. I see now though. Those that are stuck and did use Oli's never set it to unlocked via the ATCommander. I see now said the blind man. Once again, I didn't mean to imply anything.

[GSLEON3]

NOOOO, you are not reading our posts. neither downgrade *nor* upgrade is possible!!


Sorry!!! :p I left IRC yesterday becuase of T1 issues & have had my T1 line down until about 20 min ago.

[GSLEON3]

No, I'm sorry. I didnt mean to imply that it had limitations whatsoever. I see now though. Those that are stuck and did use Oli's never set it to unlocked via the ATCommander. I see now said the blind man. Once again, I didn't mean to imply anything.

sounds like you're also confussing two things, yuo need to keep Oli's patched radio on the device too, or have another that will allow for the AT@SIMLOCK commands

[P1Tater]

sounds like you're also confussing two things, yuo need to keep Oli's patched radio on the device too, or have another that will allow for the AT@SIMLOCK commands

LOL, I think I'm even more confused now.

[Olipro]

since there is no other; you need my radio

[Olipro]

you know, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a 1.65.17.xx out there that doesn't have the same gay lockdown

[AllTheWay]

since there is no other; you need my radio

I have tried to flash the 1.70 radio that you have Olipro can't seem to get it on my device.

[scotchua]

Hey I'm getting a pretty bad echo on this radio, which i hadn't really noticed as i've been to busy to talk on the phone much, but i was wondering if anyone else is experiencing it. Fortunately i'm not experiencing all the battery problems ATW is on this radio, but the echo is pretty annoying and i thought i'd see if it's just me. And thanks to all the pros working so hard to fix this issue for us.

[xcsdm]

AT&T Did this intentionally to mess with all of the custom Roms and unlocked devices.
Probably has a time-bomb too that will complete erase our devices.


Okay, probably just me, everyone is out to get me today.

But seriously, I know that a lot of hard work and gear turning is going into a fix, and I'll pitch $50 into the effort. Just let me know who/how to send. It's not about a fix, but for the effort it is taking.

[JimmyMcGee]

AT&T Did this intentionally to mess with all of the custom Roms and unlocked devices.
Probably has a time-bomb too that will complete erase our devices.


Okay, probably just me, everyone is out to get me today.

But seriously, I know that a lot of hard work and gear turning is going into a fix, and I'll pitch $50 into the effort. Just let me know who/how to send. It's not about a fix, but for the effort it is taking.

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/4044/tinfoilhatxu9.jpg

I hope AT&T is not so daft as to alienate the enthusiast community. I mean we are the crazy people that pay for their Unlimited Data. We also spend Shit-tons of money on phones and devices.

[Olipro]

I have tried to flash the 1.70 radio that you have Olipro can't seem to get it on my device.

yeah, you can't and won't.

this isn't a conspiracy, Softbank bitched to HTC about the Hermes unlocking and they made a special radio for them to disable flashing to prevent you from unlocking.

likely the exact same has happened here; AT&T bitched to HTC they were losing money on discount devices getting unlocked and used on other networks.

you can look out for all new devices off the shelf to get shipped with this radio.

if you flashed this and you're security locked, you're *FUCKED*

All I can do is patch this radio version so that it's possible to re-flash again; prevention, not cure.

[frankanthonyjones]

yeah, you can't and won't.

this isn't a conspiracy, Softbank bitched to HTC about the Hermes unlocking and they made a special radio for them to disable flashing to prevent you from unlocking.

likely the exact same has happened here; AT&T bitched to HTC they were losing money on discount devices getting unlocked and used on other networks.

you can look out for all new devices off the shelf to get shipped with this radio.

if you flashed this and you're security locked, you're *FUCKED*

All I can do is patch this radio version so that it's possible to re-flash again; prevention, not cure.


does this apply even if you get the unlock code from at&t?

[SH4YD33]

yeah, you can't and won't.

this isn't a conspiracy, Softbank bitched to HTC about the Hermes unlocking and they made a special radio for them to disable flashing to prevent you from unlocking.

likely the exact same has happened here; AT&T bitched to HTC they were losing money on discount devices getting unlocked and used on other networks.

you can look out for all new devices off the shelf to get shipped with this radio.

if you flashed this and you're security locked, you're *FUCKED*

All I can do is patch this radio version so that it's possible to re-flash again; prevention, not cure.

Ouch. Seems like its time to use that WARRANTY REPLACEMENT. Since this is a ATT ROM.

I'l be removing the link to the full radio installer and just put a link to the .NBH. So people wont flash this radio.

[Olipro]

yeah, that'll just sim unlock you.

also, I'm not entirely speaking the truth; getting the device in the embedded download mode to do a burn-in via QPST might be a possibility... any guinea pigs?

[GSLEON3]

yeah, that'll just sim unlock you.

also, I'm not entirely speaking the truth; getting the device in the embedded download mode to do a burn-in via QPST might be a possibility... any guinea pigs?

I've got one thats still stuck in OEMSBL, trying to get it going with Jocky, but I'm down to 3 of 6 originally working Tilts/TYTNIIs. If I can get this one out of OEMSBL I'll try anything.

The problem is it's stuck in OEMSBL after a task 2a reset (Locked Unfortunately)

[jockyw2001]

I've got one thats still stuck in OEMSBL, trying to get it going with Jocky, but I'm down to 3 of 6 originally working Tilts/TYTNIIs. If I can get this one out of OEMSBL I'll try anything.

I can prolly fix all of them incl the ones locked in 1.65.17.10
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