It's pretty obvious now what the specs of the Tytn III are going to be...

[Noam23]

Now that we know the specs and looks of the new Raphael device, which is the successor of the Titan(mogul) line (which is the clone line of the Tytn line), we can already guess the specs of the Tytn III, to a high level of accuracy.

So, in essence, the Tytn III is going to differ from the Tytn II, in that it will have a VGA screen (still 2.8"), and will feature a slicker design where the front surface will be one plane (like the cruise), probably with pointy corners, smaller depth and lighter weight.

Hardware video acceleration is still an unknown.

That's basically it.

Is it enough for an upgrade ?

[xcom923]

vga alone is enough for an update for me. Also HTC said they would never again not include video drivers for their future phones. if this is true I'd be more than happy to give them another go.

[Boinng]

There's still too many unknowns at the moment, I don't think it's possible to judge just yet. The all important drivers will be a major, major issue for some - this device could be absolutely stunning in performance, or it could be just a small increase on the Kaiser (if at all), we just don't know.

I think, after what happened with the Tytn II, a lot of people will be waiting for real world comprehensive hands-on reports before they consider an upgrade. Too many people got their fingers burnt on what they assumed would be in the current model.

[Boinng]

Also HTC said they would never again not include video drivers for their future phones.

Did they, really?? All I remember is an offish, wooly statement to the effect that undisclosed future devices would probably be more video-centric, I don't remember any solemn promises about what all future phones might have. The way you word it makes it sound as if HTC were actually apologetic or admitted fault in some way, and that's certainly not the case!

[Noam23]

We also can't rule out the possibility that if the Tytn III comes with a video driver, than it will be possible to port it to the Tytn II.

The Tytn II with hardware video acceleration will be a totally different device too...

The 2.8" screen is a *tiny* screen. I'm not sure how much VGA is going to add to the overall experience on such a tiny screen... but on the other hand, video acceleration is going to be a big thing.

I'm simply annoyed that I'm going to spend money on the Tytn III mainly to get a feature I should have gotten with the Tytn II - hardware video acceleration. This is just not fair.

If the Tytn III does not come with the driver, there is no way I'm upgrading though.

[Digitaltigre]

HTC is a bunch of douche bags. They have either forgotten or never understood how to deliver on cutomer needs. If the TyTNII adds video acceleration (which is still a big question mark) and VGA it will not imo be a worthy upgrade. I just paid $700 for this TyTNII! Honestly, I think ppl need to get out of the mindset that we need to let HTC nickel and dime us to death with little upgrades and big disappointments. I might have to wait a little while until 2009, but I want my next device to be based on the Nvidia APX 2500. Look into it, that chip is sick. Hopefully I will be able to say "bye bye" to HTC for good.

[margatenj]

Now that we know the specs and looks of the new Raphael device, which is the successor of the Titan(mogul) line (which is the clone line of the Tytn line), we can already guess the specs of the Tytn III, to a high level of accuracy.

So, in essence, the Tytn III is going to differ from the Tytn II, in that it will have a VGA screen (still 2.8"), and will feature a slicker design where the front surface will be one plane (like the cruise), probably with pointy corners, smaller depth and lighter weight.

Hardware video acceleration is still an unknown.

That's basically it.

Is it enough for an upgrade ?

I think the big question is, would anyone buy another htc device again... frig, I'm still waiting for the proper video drivers for the tytn 2!! and the problem with the video drivers is not going to be solved once they come out, the big problem facing htc is that we had to wait how friggin long to get them!!!

anyway, if apple comes out with a iphone with everything people want (the iphone 2, or 3 ... maybe 4), htc will end up making nothing but low end cell phones to just survive... keep an eye on htc's stock the next time a new iphone comes out.

So to answer your question, no I'd never upgrade to another htc unless they get their sh*t together. ...would be great if htc gave us fools that bought the tytn2 a trade in / upgrade!

[veerals05]

any idea when it might be out?

[Noam23]

It will probably get announced at the beginning of May, with the rest of the new HTC devices, and be released at September, same as the Tytn II and I.

So to answer your question, no I'd never upgrade to another htc unless they get their sh*t together. ...
margatenj,
They will never release drivers for the Tytn II, it will not be economically wise for them to pay the fees retroactively, for a soon to be a discontinued model. Many people who never bought HTC before will love to buy the Tytn III with video acceleration drivers. It is going to be a huge hit for newcomers who don't know or don't care how HTC fu%@ed up their customers in the past.

And let's admit it, some of us current owners will happily upgrade to the Tytn III, even if the only difference will be the inclusion of hardware video drivers. It's not like you lose all the money on the current Tytn II, you ebay it, but there is still going to be some $400 difference...

[einand]

my guess is that Tytn III will be almost identical to sonyericsson Xperia.

[Noam23]

You have to understand that the Titan and Tytn lines are identical. The Tytn III will look identical to the Raphael.

I'm willing to bet money on this (if anyone wants to lose his money, that is).

[Moaske]

Yak yak yak....
Com' on guys 'n dolls....cut out the whining about these friggin' drivers...
Like a phone is meant to watch movies (which in fact runs smoothly anyway) or play X-Box like games on...
HTC has never advertised the TyTN II with hardware video-acceleration...so get real... ;)

The resolution thing would be nice though....Excel sheet really need more screen estate :cool:

[mikeeey]

VGA screen and no drivers..... o dear.... o no.... imagine the speed.. probably 4x slower than the kaiser.

[Noam23]

Yak yak yak....
Com' on guys 'n dolls....cut out the whining about these friggin' drivers...
Like a phone is meant to watch movies (which in fact runs smoothly anyway) or play X-Box like games on...
HTC has never advertised the TyTN II with hardware video-acceleration...so get real...

I don't want to wach movies on my Kaiser, nor do I want to play 3D games.

All I ask is that once I open the hardware keyboard, the screen will shift from portrait to landscape, *instantaniously*, at all times.

Without hardware video acceleration, this is impossible.

[Moaske]

I don't want to wach movies on my Kaiser, nor do I want to play 3D games.

All I ask is that once I open the hardware keyboard, the screen will shift from portrait to landscape, *instantaniously*, at all times.

Without hardware video acceleration, this is impossible.

Sure you don't.... but my guess is that the other 90% of geeks over on this board DOES want all that....which isn't very realistic.

And IMHO it's neither realistic to expect an instant (as in 0,000 seconds) switch of orientation from an OS that has gotten almost as big as Windows98 over the years... I think a lag of about two seconds is at least acceptable and realistic for a device that was developed throughout 2006.

I do agree that every thinkable technical advance is very welcome. And in case of forthcoming VGA devices also very neccesary to keep that lag acceptable...
As for the geeks; get an iPhone...a PSP...or whatever... ;)

And since your location nor device is disclosed from your profile....i must just assume your using a crap ROM...maybe get another?

[Noam23]

And since your location nor device is disclosed from your profile....i must just assume your using a crap ROM...maybe get another?

I'm using NoThrill's 6.1 ROM for my Kaiser. One of the fastest ROMs available.

Yes, sometimes the lag is 1 second or less, and at other times it's more.

This frigging lag causes me many times to skip opening the keyboard altogether if the message isn't long, and just type with the stylus.

Hardware video acceleration provides a totally different experience than software acceleration. Try to use your desktop computer with software video acceleration and tell me how you like it, even for the most basic things like rendering 2D images of the interface.

[Moaske]

This frigging lag causes me many times to skip opening the keyboard altogether if the message isn't long, and just type with the stylus.

Then i guess everybody has quite a different treshold of what to define as an anoying lag.... Personally, i never ever use the onscreen keyboard, i always use the hardware keyboard and keys, and to me the rotation of about 1,5 secs is perfectly acceptable :)

To me the TyTN II has all i could need for the foreseeable future, and new devices with VGA are nice (aspecially for browsing and office apps), but in no way worth an upgrade. Just plugged in an 8Gb card today :p, and i'll get WM 6.1 as soon as the official one is there, and then i'll keep running this until 2010 or till it dies... :cool:

[fizzie]

Yak yak yak....
Com' on guys 'n dolls....cut out the whining about these friggin' drivers...
Like a phone is meant to watch movies (which in fact runs smoothly anyway) or play X-Box like games on...
HTC has never advertised the TyTN II with hardware video-acceleration...so get real... ;)

The resolution thing would be nice though....Excel sheet really need more screen estate :cool:

...Im pretty cool with the II Even watching TV through Slinbox is ok enough for me. It'd be nice if the III went onna diet and slimmed down some and had some more onboard memory but how much more is that gonna cost me?? Still it's one powerfull little device..IMHO :cool:

[Moaske]

...Still it's one powerfull little device..IMHO :cool:
Amen! brother... :D