HTC Diamond

[pananza]

Damn that new HTC Diamond looks impressive (http://www.htc.com/europe/product.aspx?id=46654). Anyone know if it will be possible to rip the software/rom out of it and install on our Polaris'es?

[Kimma]

"Nothing is impossible, what's impossible just takes longer time."

[JAYmasta]

normally htc should put this diamond in new rom wm.6.1 if they will do it, I ask them but they answer (we are working hard....)

[thebiker]

More info from London:

http://www.phonemag.com/htc-touch-diamond-is-announced-demoed-052686.php

[Ajacied410]

It looks damm good indeed.
Hope the firmware can be used for the Polaris..only the camera is a 3.2mp..that's a bit low for a new model if u ask me..other gsm's work with 5mp at this moment.
And also the polaris has a 3.2 mp already.

[athanaso77]

It WILL have WM6.1 but... it is too soon to talk about software for this upcoming device.

[batista70]

http://www.theunwired.net/?item=videoview-htc-touchflo-3d-user-interface-for-windows-mobile-professional

[batista70]

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=y26btrJAy54

[athanaso77]

Photo Gallery:
http://www.engadget.com/photos/htc-touchdiamond-launch/790665/
http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=193&p=291&g=279&h=9480

[SecureGSM]

Damn impressive handset. I was wondering how much of native WinMo interface available to end user? The less is better, I suppose :)

[batista70]

Here you can see better :

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=H5fetcaQIaA

[batista70]

A lot of videos : http://it.youtube.com/user/HTC

[DD_]

Diamond is VGA device, so i'm not sure that it will be possible to use GUI from it on Cruise which is QVGA.
Also question is about acceleration and drivers, cause this features would be really slow on Cruise.

[SaBo]

Also question is about acceleration and drivers, cause this features would be really slow on Cruise.

Touch Cruise has 4 times less pixels than Diamond.
Processing power shouldn't be the limiting factor.

Sascha

[qtek_metanol]

The manila interface was out for a couple of months ago, but nobody was able to port it into a Kaiser:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=363500

I think it was time to release a new designed model, the formers models were not so beauty, finally an answer from HTC to the new requirements of the market.

Good Luck HTC....!!!

[SaBo]

HTC Diamond will be shipped as O2 xda Diamond in june 2008.
100 € for the unit, 20 €/month with 100 minutes to all national networks.
Preinstalled are TomTom 7 (maps have to be purchased at TomTom) and Opera Mobile 9.5
teltarif.de News (http://www.teltarif.de/arch/2008/kw19/s29856.html)

Pretty awesome device and much cheaper as iPhone

Sascha

[finesse]

I was just about to buy a touch cruise.

[wywywywy]

Damn it beats the crap out of iPhone!

Does anyone remember we all said we won't be buying another HTC product? :D
We are suckers (well, at least I am) really.

[sedde]

ok selling a polaris then, wtb diamond

[batista70]

I'll wait someone will sell his Diamond :D:D:D

[texarcana]

I got my cruise back today after 3 weeks (i could phone everyone and hear them, but they couldnt here me) and they replaced the mainboard.

Im thinking of selling it now and buying the Diamond (if speed and drivers issues are not present on it), cause damnit it looks nice :D

[pistonripper]

I'm sold on the interface.....looks cooler than anything I have seen...

I wonder if the 6.1 upgrade for the Polaris will look the same ?...hope so...

[finesse]

Am sold tooo!!

Some shops taking pre orders already :O

[citrix80]

which gsm phone has 5mp? is it also windows mobile?

[Keith Buckner]

According to CoolSmartPhone:

"There's 4Gb on-board memory but, alas, no external memory can be added."

I think I'd prefer a cardslot, as is with the TC.

[sedde]

According to CoolSmartPhone:

"There's 4Gb on-board memory but, alas, no external memory can be added."

I think I'd prefer a cardslot, as is with the TC.



i wouldnt, wanna switch ? xD

[SaBo]

I wonder if the 6.1 upgrade for the Polaris will look the same ?...hope so...

No TouchFLO 3D for older HTC Touch devices

Sascha

[sedde]

oh and btw there is a sd micro slot and the new eGPS chipset


do we have an exact date for its release ? i am situated in europe, so i cant care about USA releases

[academic]

HTC Diamond will be shipped as O2 xda Diamond in june 2008.
100 € for the unit, 20 €/month with 100 minutes to all national networks.
Preinstalled are TomTom 7 (maps have to be purchased at TomTom) and Opera Mobile 9.5
teltarif.de News (http://www.teltarif.de/arch/2008/kw19/s29856.html)

Pretty awesome device and much cheaper as iPhone

Sascha

TomTom 7 PPC is out ???

[lexi1986]

TomTom 7 PPC is out ???

There is no release date for tomtom 7 for the PPC far as i know. I think he means tomtom 6.

[Bertjuhh66]

Damn...hahaha, I was already celebrating :)


There is no release date for tomtom 7 for the PPC far as i know. I think he means tomtom 6.

[JAYmasta]

I like google navigator, maps from satellite work fine with our gps, and version 3.2 added support qualcom proc. but for 3.2 still no have crack :(

[nahguam]

oh and btw there is a sd micro slot

linkage for proof please.

[sedde]

linkage for proof please.

http://www.navigadget.com/index.php/2008/04/26/htc-diamond-specs/

[sedde]

I like google navigator, maps from satellite work fine with our gps, and version 3.2 added support qualcom proc. but for 3.2 still no have crack :(

how will it work without wi-fi ?

[academic]

There is no release date for tomtom 7 for the PPC far as i know. I think he means tomtom 6.

Bad.. but reality.. I really ask me when TomTom will provide his v7 for PPC.. Then give plenty of upgrade for their stand alone GPS (Go) but nothing since months for PPC..

[JAYmasta]

how will it work without wi-fi ?

what wi-fi google navigator is gps program first install after download maps through this program. install on memory card. program somthing like big program GOOGLE EARTH principle of work is same. all maps remain :)

[sedde]

true but in iphone there isnt a gps so its working via wifi right ?

[nl2006]

Cant wait to get this "beast"..best htc i reckon:cool:

[Rudegar]

"true but in iphone there isnt a gps so its working via wifi right ?"
no using gsm network info a wifi spot is just a connection to the internet it dont know where it is anymore then your pc does

[dudeldei]

http://www.navigadget.com/index.php/2008/04/26/htc-diamond-specs/

This is the official specs and it says nothing about card expansion slot here....

http://www.htc.com/uk/product.aspx?id=46046

[athanaso77]

There is not card slot.

[geomall]

great news,this is going to be my next ppc.....diamond.

i think it's about time to open a new thread.

after the big success of the "polaris project" it's time to open a "diamond project" and wait 6-7 months for a rom:)

[Tupac_Shakur]

I am going to throw the towel in, if iphone comes out with 3g, I am gone from crippled htc devices for good.

[ianl8888]

There is not card slot.

Agreed ... and only tri-band GSM, duo-band UMTS

So it is not useable outside countries that use these frequencies (eg. almost the entire Southern Hemisphere + US) and you cannot add SDHC card capacity to it

So sad to see the iPhoney type mentality win

[thebiker]

Preorder is avaiable on expansys.

http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=163250

[Da_Kem]

Diamond can also be pre-ordered in Holland, costs 529 euro's

Diamond pre-order The Netherlands.... (http://www.pdashop.nl/product/52823/htc-touch-diamond-uk.html)

Expected delivery 18th june...

[flashgordonv]

Guys this thing has a 900 mAH battery, to drive a VGA screen with GPS, bluetooth, wireless and 3G. I currently have an iMate ultimate 9502 with similar specs - VGA, GPS, wireless etc. it has a 1600+ mAH battery and still only just manages to last for a day. This thing will die after a few hours, unless there is some really sexy new battery technology here.

i will avoid this like the plague until they bring out the high performance after market batteries. A phone that lasts 3-4 hours is of NO value to me.

[talal2sweet]

This is the official specs and it says nothing about card expansion slot here....

http://www.htc.com/uk/product.aspx?id=46046

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_touch_diamond-2368.php

also check out gsm arena, two major mistakes from www.navigadget.com
firstly no microsd card slot, hence 4gb internal, and 192 MB DDR SDRAM not 128mb ram

www.navigadget.com not a credible site

[SaBo]

There is no release date for tomtom 7 for the PPC far as i know. I think he means tomtom 6.

Read the news I linked.
O2 Germany will be shipping Diamond with TomTom 7.
You can download one city map for free, other maps have to be purchased from TomTom.

Sascha

[lexi1986]

Read the news I linked.
O2 Germany will be shipping Diamond with TomTom 7.
You can download one city map for free, other maps have to be purchased from TomTom.

Sascha

But i can't find any release date for the Tomtom 7 for PDA so i will hope that it's true :D

[academic]

Okay, the look is pretty nice (thanks to the designer at Nokia for the idea on their 7500 models...). The functionalities sound pretty good.

But....

How HTC can propose a modern PPC without MicroSD expansion slot ?? !!
I let you imagine the time you'll lost each time you'll have to reinstall your device from scratch. E.g did you already copy the 1.7Gbytes of the TomTom Western & Central Europe map via your PC USB ??? And I don't talk about the MP3 music file you'll have to (re)copy each time you reinstall your device...

One another thing not 100% is to be sure that this device have the correct performance in term of graphical display. It is a Qualcomm processor 528Mhz (128Mhz more than the Polaris). I'm curious to know if HTC have developed the graphic driver to attack the ATI built in graphic processor..

and finally.... the price incredibly high for such incomplete device.

For sure if HTC continue to play this nasty marketing game, a lot of their actual customer will see other alternatives (Glofiish, Asus etc..).

That's all for the moment folks !

[SaBo]

But i can't find any release date for the Tomtom 7 for PDA so i will hope that it's true :D

Afaik TomTom is not planning on releasing a TomTom 7 version for PDA.
It will only be available as preinstalled version for OEM.

Sascha

[tabarda]

Already I ordered my in expansys :D:D

[blackillusion]

Afaik TomTom is not planning on releasing a TomTom 7 version for PDA.
It will only be available as preinstalled version for OEM.

Sascha

Won't it be possible to extract the application from the rom and put it in another custom rom / cab ?

[pinobigbird]

Won't it be possible to extract the application from the rom and put it in another custom rom / cab ?
Isn't that what we all hope to see here on XDA?:rolleyes:

[alcheng]

Okay, the look is pretty nice (thanks to the designer at Nokia for the idea on their 7500 models...). The functionalities sound pretty good.

But....

How HTC can propose a modern PPC without MicroSD expansion slot ?? !!
I let you imagine the time you'll lost each time you'll have to reinstall your device from scratch. E.g did you already copy the 1.7Gbytes of the TomTom Western & Central Europe map via your PC USB ??? And I don't talk about the MP3 music file you'll have to (re)copy each time you reinstall your device...

One another thing not 100% is to be sure that this device have the correct performance in term of graphical display. It is a Qualcomm processor 528Mhz (128Mhz more than the Polaris). I'm curious to know if HTC have developed the graphic driver to attack the ATI built in graphic processor..

and finally.... the price incredibly high for such incomplete device.

For sure if HTC continue to play this nasty marketing game, a lot of their actual customer will see other alternatives (Glofiish, Asus etc..).

That's all for the moment folks !

It sounds like a problem, but if you have a particular folder in your PC that contains all the files for the 4GB storage, it won't cause too much a problem when flashing your PDA.

However, if you notice the Diamond is using internal storage instead of expansion slot, it is a very similar hardware format to the iphone.

I believe the advantage of this is quicker access to the file and therefore less time/ lag on loading up the album/ movie contents.

AND, I believe this 4GB version will be their trial version, and newer model with bigger internal storage such as 8 or 16 GB is on their way.

just my 2cents

[stesa]

do you really believe that OS flashing delete the 4 Gb storage contents ?

[sedde]

do you really believe that OS flashing delete the 4 Gb storage contents ?

i highly doubt that

[sedde]

Already I ordered my in expansys :D:D

oh man, you know expansys, they will bounce your order to like a month later, and blabla, you will find yourself in a dead end.


Plus this time i will wait, i wont be a fool like the polaris launch, i will watch it for a month until i buy the damn thing.

[JNGold]

oh man, you know expansys, they will bounce your order to like a month later, and blabla, you will find yourself in a dead end.


Plus this time i will wait, i wont be a fool like the polaris launch, i will watch it for a month until i buy the damn thing.

Yep, good call. Plus, it helps that I am happy with my current Cruise.

[sedde]

Yep, good call. Plus, it helps that I am happy with my current Cruise.

i am happy with my cruise as well, but i want to see this manila stuff working properly.

[JNGold]

i am happy with my cruise as well, but i want to see this manila stuff working properly.

Well that can be very subjective. There have already been several vids showing how "laggy" the Diamond can be.

[yahla.wallah]

if anyone want to buy Polaris just let me know , I have one for him ;)

[academic]

AND, I believe this 4GB version will be their trial version, and newer model with bigger internal storage such as 8 or 16 GB is on their way.

just my 2cents

Well.. then the good idea is to way some more months to "maybe" see a 8 or 16Gb from HTC. During this time, we will surely have "as usual with the excellent developers here" a wonderful, fast and reliable ROM for our Polaris.

[pistonripper]

Back to square one.. its laggy....don't matter how much u dress up Windows Mobile...its an inherent WM design flaw...htc are really trying, I am impressed with the new Touch3d interface.

Its Microsoft !!! they cannot make WM run smooth on anything...come on theres got to be one device atleast....
Granted that HTC dropped a bollock...but the MSM720? is almost "the standard" chip now considering how many manufacturers are using it, shouldn't have WM 6.1 had a good generic driver ?

Sorry off topic a bit...but everytime there is new WM device......lag always creeps up.

I think if was not for HTC marketing and pepping up WM....it would not be as popular as it is today.

Look at this video it looks fine http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=htc+diamond&sitesearch=&start=20

I think it shows how hard HTC has been working on the interface in trying to completely disguise WM.

[edskii]

New video of real device:

http://www.theunwired.net/?item=videoview-htc-touchflo-3d-user-interface-for-windows-mobile-professional

[speakerphone]

TC had the video flaw, I trust the Diamond will have some flaw when it comes out. Better wait for the 'next' model, HTC has no exp using vga screens or video acceleration.

plus, why get this when WM7 will have proper support for orientation sensors and multitouch and all the stuff the iphone has already but nobody can hack only WM6?

as bad as WM6 is, I don't want what HTC has hacked onto it which will be just as bad.

[sedde]

TC had the video flaw, I trust the Diamond will have some flaw when it comes out. Better wait for the 'next' model, HTC has no exp using vga screens or video acceleration.

plus, why get this when WM7 will have proper support for orientation sensors and multitouch and all the stuff the iphone has already but nobody can hack only WM6?

as bad as WM6 is, I don't want what HTC has hacked onto it which will be just as bad.

the cookers will prolly port wm7 on diamond as well, and about exp with vga stuff, they cant be wrong, monitors are patented so

[Steffan]

Seems like they packed a lot of things into this beauty... ram, vga, faster processor...

Better stop looking at this, i am tempted.. my cruise is only 3mths old..

[SaBo]

Seems like they packed a lot of things into this beauty... ram, vga, faster processor...

RAM is 128 MB as on Touch Cruise/Polaris.
No memory expansion slot.
Only 900 mAh battery.

Sascha

[qtek_metanol]

not only O2 will bring that phone to the market, presumably the German Mobile Operator T-Mobile will do the same too, the typical branded name MDA Compact IV

Some Screenshots:

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/03/cebitcimg1809-mda-compact-iv.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/03/cebitcimg1820-mda-compact-iv.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/03/cebitcimg1826-mda-compact-iv.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/03/cebitcimg1825-mda-compact-iv.jpg

[speakerphone]

you can be sure there'll be stock shortage outside the uk for 6mths after launch anyway, by that time your cruise will be 1yr old!

[ZaPP187]

Is there any video outside where you can clearly see the performance of the camera? Especially in dark ambience or so? I would like to see whether the fps drops occur like at TC.

Any videos out there showing some real video performance? At youtube i can only find some promo videos and hundreds showing the menu...

[gnick666]

Is there a way to get the simple black menu/softkey bars from the Diamond theme? (whithout 3rd party apps... reghacks are okay...)

[Pawel062]

TC had the video flaw, I trust the Diamond will have some flaw when it comes out. Better wait for the 'next' model, HTC has no exp using vga screens or video acceleration.

plus, why get this when WM7 will have proper support for orientation sensors and multitouch and all the stuff the iphone has already but nobody can hack only WM6?

as bad as WM6 is, I don't want what HTC has hacked onto it which will be just as bad.

lol u make me laugh. no exp with vga. what u call the athena and the universal. man people are still using the universal even with all the new devices and athena is the king. im happy they are making the diamond vga. i have so much nice stuff now for vga. video acceleration just needs the players to be updated for it to be used. htc's apps make wm usable and most devices that ship today have really stable roms.

[Pawel062]

Okay, the look is pretty nice (thanks to the designer at Nokia for the idea on their 7500 models...). The functionalities sound pretty good.

But....

How HTC can propose a modern PPC without MicroSD expansion slot ?? !!
I let you imagine the time you'll lost each time you'll have to reinstall your device from scratch. E.g did you already copy the 1.7Gbytes of the TomTom Western & Central Europe map via your PC USB ??? And I don't talk about the MP3 music file you'll have to (re)copy each time you reinstall your device...

One another thing not 100% is to be sure that this device have the correct performance in term of graphical display. It is a Qualcomm processor 528Mhz (128Mhz more than the Polaris). I'm curious to know if HTC have developed the graphic driver to attack the ATI built in graphic processor..

and finally.... the price incredibly high for such incomplete device.

For sure if HTC continue to play this nasty marketing game, a lot of their actual customer will see other alternatives (Glofiish, Asus etc..).

That's all for the moment folks !

video drivers are there and are in use. i have a hunch that there will be a diamond with a microsd slot just no 4gb internal memory....

[robust88]

video drivers are there and are in use. i have a hunch that there will be a diamond with a microsd slot just no 4gb internal memory....

Or Diamond 8G & Diamond 16G...Like iphones?...

[academic]

Or Diamond 8G & Diamond 16G...Like iphones?...

And for sure when they will provide a Diamond with 8 or 16Gb + a Slot MicroSD, they will, for example, remove the GPS :-)

Until now, I never saw any HTC model with all-in-one and, I really doubt on the fact we will have such device on day.

Hope that the next official ROM for the Keiser (if HTC really provide one) have something usable (e.g. graphic drivers) on the Polaris. Actually, and this engage only myself, the only big mess on the Polaris is the video performances.

[academic]

video drivers are there and are in use. i have a hunch that there will be a diamond with a microsd slot just no 4gb internal memory....

Don't know if you've saw the 20 minutes video on Youtube with the demo of the Diamond. In my concern, I wasn't really impressed by the performance showed. Put a 528Mhz processor is one thing, optimize the system is another. But HTC perfectly know that you (all the developers community) are here to do their job ;-) And I thank you one more time the XDA-Dev community for all you do for us !

[JNGold]

Don't know if you've saw the 20 minutes video on Youtube with the demo of the Diamond. In my concern, I wasn't really impressed by the performance showed. Put a 528Mhz processor is one thing, optimize the system is another. But HTC perfectly know that you (all the developers community) are here to do their job ;-) And I thank you one more time the XDA-Dev community for all you do for us !

I heard a rumor that the pre-production units didn't have the full complement of RAM that is due on the shipping devices. If true, the devices could have been only 64mb.

[TDO]

Don't know if you've saw the 20 minutes video on Youtube with the demo of the Diamond. In my concern, I wasn't really impressed by the performance showed. Put a 528Mhz processor is one thing, optimize the system is another. But HTC perfectly know that you (all the developers community) are here to do their job ;-) And I thank you one more time the XDA-Dev community for all you do for us !

I think it does very well with such a slow cpu.
You are forgetting that this is a VGA device!!!

TDO

[rushless]

I think it does very well with such a slow cpu.
You are forgetting that this is a VGA device!!!

TDO

Three problems with this device that will make me keep using my Dash:

1) No expansion slot (using 8gb in my Dash and have another inside the cover)

2) No 3.5 mm jack (Dash doe not either, but none on Diamond gives me no reason to change)

3) 900 ma battery is too small for a VGA device using a 528 mhz CPU- even if you use the throttling. (I have a 1550 ma in my Dash and it lasts all day when listening to music, surfing and watching a movie). Movie and sound quality are just as good as the Creative Zen. I know because I have one of them too.

[rushless]

oh and btw there is a sd micro slot and the new eGPS chipset


do we have an exact date for its release ? i am situated in europe, so i cant care about USA releases

Unless we are talking about different phones, there is no SDHC slot on the Diamond.

[athanaso77]

Yes... he is probably speaking for upcoming model HTC Raphael.

[sultanofsumar]

Does anyone even know if it will run on our 3G? Obviously in the specs it lists Europe and Asia 3G, but with the new release of the Touch Dual in the US it has a 1900Mhz listed.

[edu23]

Okay, the look is pretty nice (thanks to the designer at Nokia for the idea on their 7500 models...). The functionalities sound pretty good.

But....

How HTC can propose a modern PPC without MicroSD expansion slot ?? !!
I let you imagine the time you'll lost each time you'll have to reinstall your device from scratch. E.g did you already copy the 1.7Gbytes of the TomTom Western & Central Europe map via your PC USB ??? And I don't talk about the MP3 music file you'll have to (re)copy each time you reinstall your device...

One another thing not 100% is to be sure that this device have the correct performance in term of graphical display. It is a Qualcomm processor 528Mhz (128Mhz more than the Polaris). I'm curious to know if HTC have developed the graphic driver to attack the ATI built in graphic processor..

and finally.... the price incredibly high for such incomplete device.

For sure if HTC continue to play this nasty marketing game, a lot of their actual customer will see other alternatives (Glofiish, Asus etc..).

That's all for the moment folks !



You are absolutely right man, couldn´t say it a better way!!!!!!

[thebiker]

You are absolutely right man, couldn´t say it a better way!!!!!!

"For sure if HTC continue to play this nasty marketing game, a lot of their actual customer will see other alternatives (Glofiish, Asus etc..)." ... and Samsung i900