Touch Diamond

[andyturner]

Oh my, that makes me want to do a sex wee!


http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=46296

[gnick666]

I hope we can find something useful in it for our devices.... i realy don't want to buy a new device...

[andyturner]

Yes, on the face of it, it seems quite soon after the TC was launched but then I suppose this might take a good few months to turn up in the shops. I presume the VGA screen will mean a lot of the UI widgets won't be usable on the TC, sadly.

Lots more info/video here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/HTC

[gnick666]

Unless someone makes them work, but I seriously doubt that HTC will stick to the VGA line...

[hambola]

Yeah I don't want to have to buy another device either. It does suck that it's so soon after the Cruise was released. No microSD memory slot right? I haven't see it mentioned anywhere. 4GB internal memory might be faster but is way too limited.

[Rudegar]

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=389935
here they say microSD but then they also say EGPS where the htc site only say AGPS
so who is to know for sure yet...

being that it's vga it could also mean that if it have a working driver it's hardcoded to the vga res :S

[gnick666]

being that it's vga it could also mean that if it have a working driver it's hardcoded to the vga res :S

We'll see about that... but until this community gets it's hands on the ROM, we'll see what has Android to offer :D

[reyjabs]

Watch this video and submit your comments as to the fluidity of the OS. :mad:
Typical of HTC, init?

http://techdigest.tv/2008/05/shiny_video_rev_169.html

[gnick666]

When she was actually demoing it, there seemed to be a certain lag when she scrolled whith her finger... Could it be that the diamond also suffers from the "TouchScreen Bug"?

[ovidiaconescu]

According to Engaget (http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/06/a-little-more-on-htcs-touch-diamond/) it seems that Diamond has Video acceleration. If it's already implemented by that device, surely it will be available for Touch Cruise soon :)

[NikMel]

chipset is not the same!

According to Engaget (http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/06/a-little-more-on-htcs-touch-diamond/) it seems that Diamond has Video acceleration. If it's already implemented by that device, surely it will be available for Touch Cruise soon :)

[sonus]

While I do admire their efforts on the Diamond, I feel that the HTC product development process is just way to rushed. In the end they end up coming out with half assed devices. It seems like they make a new model every 2 months these days e.g. Touch, Touch Dual, Touch Cruise, P3470, Sedena, etc. So its no wonder they can't get any one model right.

They really need to take some notes of what Apple has been doing with the iPhone. New products have had more storage space, and they've been focusing on software updates for their current users. This way prospective buyers are happy and current owners are kept happy. HTC on the other hand delivers maybe one update to a device full of bugs its entire product lifetime in the form of an AKU. That's quite pathetic customer service esp. for devices that are nowhere near perfect from the get go.

I would buy a Diamond, or a WM7 phone, but HTC needs to start doing a better job respecting its current customers - seriously, the Kaiser ppl have been waiting practically a year now for some sort of update, and we Polaris ppl have been waiting nearly 6months. Until HTC does something about product support, my Touch Cruise and my HTC loyalty will hold me over just until the next generation iPhone comes along and the Apple SDK/Apple store has apps coming along.

[hambola]

I agree, they are releasing devices way too fast. They really should invest time in releasing a device that has quality design with well thought out hardware, something that can last for awhile and then release software updates to it. The iPhone comparisons though are not very accurate, since apple designed the hardware and the software and ATT has nothing to do with it (mostly). (as opposed to att needing to come out with their own ROMs for the tilt). But I see your point, where is the official WM6.1 release for example for HTC branded devices? End of March promised for some fix, it's now May and nothing, only an announcement for a new phone. Shame...

[gnick666]

I really hate to admit it, but Apple does a good job whith their device/update probram, hell even M$ comes out with updates on a regular basis for its OS...
HTC should learn something from them... the sleek design, and user friendly interface may win the looks prize, but nothing else if it's unuseable and the support sucks...

Some people have more qualifications for PDAs then most of the personel at HTC from simple tech support, to development... and this is an open community (maybe that's why HTC tech support sucks, because we're here to sort out their mess)

[Bodisson]

Diamond pro:
WM 6.1
VGA

Diamond con:
battery capacity
no memory card slot
discutable GPS (real GPS or AGPS)

Just my opinnion, of course...

[toolm]

as I have just found out, O2 has already announced the HTC Diamond at their Online shop. At another site I found the rumor, that it will be available in June... we'll see.

http://shop2.o2online.de/nw/produkte/handys/allehandys/details/index.html?salesChannel=SHOP&articleId=617&categoryId=1120

[TDO]

Diamond pro:
WM 6.1
VGA

Diamond con:
battery capacity
no memory card slot
discutable GPS (real GPS or AGPS)

Just my opinnion, of course...

An the biggest con only 528 Mhz for VGA.

This thing will be slow as hell.
Just look at the E-Ten GloFiish Series with a 500 Mhz cpu.

TDO

[andyturner]

An the biggest con only 528 Mhz for VGA.

This thing will be slow as hell.
Just look at the E-Ten GloFiish Series with a 500 Mhz cpu.

TDO

Ah but it makes full use of the graphics chip to handle that kind of thing.

[swiftgs]

actually i think this device is pretty cool. since my tytnII ended up in the washmachine i really doubting of buying this device or another tytnII from the insuarrance money...

pros tytn:
-keyboard
-i have 2 accus by then, 2 chargers etc etc...
-memory card slot (though i got 4 gb and it seems enough)

pros diamond:
-size!!! what a beatifull size at all, lighter and thinner then a n95, iphone etc.
-vga screen
-improved chipset and 192mb ram

I just wait till the first real reviews come out and then i decide!

[TDO]

Ah but it makes full use of the graphics chip to handle that kind of thing.

It has drivers which use the videocontroller.
But this driver can only accelerate the "drawing" of the graphics and there only specific functions.

The main-cpu has still to handle 4 times the data in comparison to a qvga device.


TDO

[andyturner]

It has drivers which use the videocontroller.
But this driver can only accelerate the "drawing" of the graphics and there only specific functions.

The main-cpu has still to handle 4 times the data in comparison to a qvga device.

I guess it depends on how much use the OS makes of it. Haven't we already seen that video accelerated devices scroll the Settings and Programs windows around a lot faster, with comparable CPUs?

Personally I think it'll be fine, but I certainly wouldn't buy one until we've had chance to see for sure.

[GrahamWager]

I just spotted "TomTom Navigator 7" on that O2 page... Wonder if that's actually going to be TTN7 or if it's a typo...

Here's hoping it's true!

[dazza9075]

GPS, a-GPS and E-GPS are essentially all the same thing, they just build appon one another and improve its usefulness.

GPS, basic system recieving two signals from several satilites to provide a geographic position


A-GPS, exactly the same thing except it can recieve specially transmitted signals sent from transmitters, effectively giving you access to GPS indoors when you are in a supported location, this can help speed up the time to get a fix from standard GPS as well.

E-GPS, exactly the same as the above but builds appon the above by recieving data via GSM / WCDMA essentially finding out your location from mobile masts and uing A-GPS data if available to make the "fix" time even quicker. Apparently this is all done at a fraction of the power usage however, i suspect the company isnt meaning that the GPS reciever uses less power, i suspect that they are saying that if you use the EGPS combined with the A-GPS you will get quicker fix times and thus use less power, in the long run it will mean bugger all if your out and about and mildly useful if your in the city.

[surgex0]

I, like everyone else, do NOT want to purchase another device!
If HTC would have got it right the first time, we would not be in the position that we are all in now.

Why not take the time to make something that is worth promoting?
Why not take the time to make sure the devices they release have very minimal problems?

It just seems like one dissapointment after the other with HTC, and I wouldn't expect anything less from the diamond. You can expect that a few months from now the Diamond will be replaced by something else (perhaps the Xperia?) so why even bother.

Major con: No microsd slot (4 gb flash is great! But why not have a microsd slot as well? 4gb alone is not enough by todays standards; esp for a media-based device)

[hambola]

Another con in my opinion is the fact that it's not a true world phone. At least the Cruise has quad-band GSM and tri-band 3G. And yeah the fact that it's limited to 4GB is extremeley lame.

I don't mind buying newer devices, stuff just improves over time. However I shouldn't be buying something because there was a fault in my device that isn't being fixed. For example, I can't get mad that the newer one has a g sensor, or faster CPU in it, while mine doesn't. However I can get upset about video drivers that the new one has that mine doesn't but which it should (I know this has been discussed ad nauseam).

[TDO]

I just spotted "TomTom Navigator 7" on that O2 page... Wonder if that's actually going to be TTN7 or if it's a typo...

Here's hoping it's true!

No it's no type.
O2 will deliver the cruise with TomTom 7.

TDO

[andyturner]

No it's no type.
O2 will deliver the cruise with TomTom 7.

Er.. well *that* is a typo.

[nahguam]

Major con: No microsd slot (4 gb flash is great! But why not have a microsd slot as well? 4gb alone is not enough by todays standards; esp for a media-based device)


Exactly. According to modaco (http://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-professional-news/267824/htc-prep-htc-touch-diamond-for-imminent-reveal-htc-touch-pro-htc-touch-dual-pro-details/) (admittedly this was pre-announcement, but the specs were pretty accurate for the diamond) the 4GB internal is "Diamond only", so I'm hoping the raphael does have a microSD slot.

A slide-out keyboard in slim form-factor appeals too - I do miss the keyboard from my Hermes...

[aleph305]

hmm nice device in deed.
I bought a magician 2 years after it hit the stores and I know what I will get and got no problems.
three month ago I bought a polaris, without knowing what I will get .... and I will never do it again :/