Still loose 2% battery per hour, Vista off and WM in sleep mode

[herpi]

As I loose that much per hour, I was wondering if that is abnormal.
I hard a n d softreset WM, have no SIM card in, just do NOT use WM.
Vista is fully switched off.

Pls tell me if that is normal and, if not, what to do .

Still interested in that miracle tool to switch WM off fully. I do not use it.


Huib

[foxmeister]

Yes it is abnormal! My Shift still has 92% battery life after 36+ hours (Radio off, WM sleeping, Vista off). I don't even get anywhere near 2% per hour with Vista booted but sleeping (more like 1%).

As I said before in your last thread on this subject, I think there is a specific problem with you device - I get about 2 hours from my Shift when Vista is awake, so I don't think my device is "special".

Regards,

Dave

[Sangheili]

I don't even get anywhere near 2% per hour with Vista booted but sleeping (more like 1%).

Sleeping? Or Hibernated? If you only drain 1% per hour in sleep maybe i will extend the time-to-hibernate in my profile to a few hours. Waking up from hibernate is fast - waiting for all the applications to get back to "normal" speed however takes like 3 minutes. So freakin annoying. Anyone else have this problem?

[herpi]

Sleeping? Or Hibernated? If you only drain 1% per hour in sleep maybe i will extend the time-to-hibernate in my profile to a few hours. Waking up from hibernate is fast - waiting for all the applications to get back to "normal" speed however takes like 3 minutes. So freakin annoying. Anyone else have this problem?

Neither sleeping, nor Hibernating Vista. Switched off! But WM of course.....

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So:
My Vista is fully switched off.
I would be happy if I could get more statistics from your guys.

Pls switch Vista off on a fully loaded Shift.
Put it next to the bed, and see in the morning ( Lets say 8 hours) if it has more or less then, lets say, 85% power left.
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Of course, as told so many times, when I take out the battery and put it back, there is no powerdrain at all ,because WM has not been started in that case.

Huib

[herpi]

Yes it is abnormal! My Shift still has 92% battery life after 36+ hours (Radio off, WM sleeping, Vista off). I don't even get anywhere near 2% per hour with Vista booted but sleeping (more like 1%).

As I said before in your last thread on this subject, I think there is a specific problem with you device - I get about 2 hours from my Shift when Vista is awake, so I don't think my device is "special".

Regards,

Dave

Hello again Dave,

You are right, but I was wondering if I was the only one, that's why this new thread.


Can you tell me how you set WM to sleep?
I have of course this "turned off if not used for 1 minute"

Shall I switch flight mode ON in the shagctrl? So turning off also my WIFI?

Coudl WIFI be the killer? Even when Vista is fully off? Did not try that yet, but I certainly will now.

And... How do I switch WIFI off, when not in Vista as as there is no Shagctrl.

Huib

[Blue_Lightning]

well your problem seems like my problem
I have the same problem like your shift
my battery also drain about 1-2% per hour even without using it (I leave it at my side when I sleep)

Up until now, I still don't get the reason why this happening

Because, when I first time got the device, it was last longer than that, I saw it just maybe drain up to 15% for 2 and a half days

[Blue_Lightning]

Hello again Dave,

You are right, but I was wondering if I was the only one, that's why this new thread.


Can you tell me how you set WM to sleep?
I have of course this "turned off if not used for 1 minute"

Shall I switch flight mode ON in the shagctrl? So turning off also my WIFI?

Coudl WIFI be the killer? Even when Vista is fully off? Did not try that yet, but I certainly will now.

And... How do I switch WIFI off, when not in Vista as as there is no Shagctrl.

Huib

I also and always turning off my wifi when I hibernate the vista
and I also still have that 2% for 1 hour problem

[herpi]

I also and always turning off my wifi when I hibernate the vista
and I also still have that 2% for 1 hour problem

Yep,

Till now only Dave does not have this problem.

I just tested with WIFI off, and same problem. There is no realation and should not be.

Especially when flying it is a problem, because then I really am without juice. I bought an extra battery however, but still.

So I (sigh) take the battery off and put it back quickly. That solves it

Huib

[Blue_Lightning]

yes and I think right now the snapvue can't take the wifi out to work, so it doesn't have a chance to reduce the battery

Well, if you said only Dave, I think, mine at the first time doesn't have this problem
At the first time the shift was at my hand :), it can last for maybe 4days without using it

Strange isn't it :)

[Lyvia]

Hmm. @Herpi.
In this Thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=389487
i found out:

If you run only SnapVue, and go off ... battery drain is normal 5mA/h for SnapVue standby.
Now ... if you start up Vista - do something like usb conection to resync, an shut vista down at last. SnapVue drains now 40-50!!! mA/h in standby.

(by comparison: in WM6 200mA/H in Vista 800-1000mA/H if backlight is 2.th low)

A softreset solves the problem - till you start up Vista again.

Are your really sure a softreset after shutting down vista, do not help ?
Bye,
Lyvia

[herpi]

Hmm. @Herpi.
In this Thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=389487
i found out:



Are your really sure a softreset after shutting down vista, do not help ?
Bye,
Lyvia

How do I softreset after closing Vista?

Huib

[Lyvia]

You must liberate your Shift to unlock SnapVue to real WindowsMobile6.

Guide:
http://www.modaco.com/content/windows-mobile-news/266537/liberate-your-htc-shift/

Then you have a "soft reset" programm, but your can use other applications, like taskmanagers (e.g. WK-Task | http://soft.photoracer.net/docs/wktask_en.html ) too.

[foxmeister]

Can you tell me how you set WM to sleep?
I have of course this "turned off if not used for 1 minute"


Well, when I say sleeping - I really mean "not active". Assuming Vista is asleep or shutdown, when I've finished with WM, I press the "shift" button to switch it back to my inactive vista session.


Shall I switch flight mode ON in the shagctrl? So turning off also my WIFI?

Coudl WIFI be the killer? Even when Vista is fully off? Did not try that yet, but I certainly will now.


Interesting idea - perhaps if Wifi is on, it remains powered up even if Vista has been shut down.


And... How do I switch WIFI off, when not in Vista as as there is no Shagctrl.


Unfortunately, at present, you can only switch if on and off via Vista.

Regards,

Dave

[foxmeister]

Sleeping? Or Hibernated? If you only drain 1% per hour in sleep maybe i will extend the time-to-hibernate in my profile to a few hours. Waking up from hibernate is fast - waiting for all the applications to get back to "normal" speed however takes like 3 minutes. So freakin annoying. Anyone else have this problem?

Sleeping - I found that hibernating doesn't really give me any speed benefits over a cold boot.

Regards,

Dave

[foxmeister]

Just an FYI, but I've not used my Shift at all since my first posting on this thread, which is now some 50 hours ago. In that time, the battery on my Shift has dropped a further 12%, so I'm now at 80% capacity. This means in the last 86+ hours, my Shift has only consumed 20% of its battery power.

Regards,

Dave

[herpi]

Just an FYI, but I've not used my Shift at all since my first posting on this thread, which is now some 50 hours ago. In that time, the battery on my Shift has dropped a further 12%, so I'm now at 80% capacity. This means in the last 86+ hours, my Shift has only consumed 20% of its battery power.

Regards,

Dave

yes, but as far as I can see you are the only one on this forum.

So here comes my call again: anybody else, somewhere on this world ,has this perfect battery consumption as Dave has?

Huib

[Pantaloonie]

Yes, my battery consumption is very similar to Daves, I don't seem to be leaking power when not in use. Vista hibernated, Windows Mobile checking 2 email accounts every 15 mins from 7am this morning until now, (5.20 pm), battery now on 92%.
Left unused, with the modem turned off but winmo running, it drops around 6-8% in 24 hours.

[Blue_Lightning]

Yes, my battery consumption is very similar to Daves, I don't seem to be leaking power when not in use. Vista hibernated, Windows Mobile checking 2 email accounts every 15 mins from 7am this morning until now, (5.20 pm), battery now on 92%.
Left unused, with the modem turned off but winmo running, it drops around 6-8% in 24 hours.
Well, that's supposed to be. When I got the shift for the first time, it was like that

But I don't know what make it like this now, eventhough I checked at battery meter, it just charge -43. Why it become so power hungry then ???

[Pantaloonie]

I haven't installed SP1, and don't plan to do so any time soon.
Don't know if that's relevant.

[Blue_Lightning]

I haven't installed SP1, and don't plan to do so any time soon.
Don't know if that's relevant.

I don't know if that's the cause
But I've already installed SP1 and before that I think maybe you're right now
GENIUS ........!!!!!!!!!!!
well, maybe another shift user out there ??? who installed SP1 and still don't have the battery problem, please post just to make me sure that I will do the right thing to uninstall SP1

[herpi]

I don't know if that's the cause
But I've already installed SP1 and before that I think maybe you're right now
GENIUS ........!!!!!!!!!!!
well, maybe another shift user out there ??? who installed SP1 and still don't have the battery problem, please post just to make me sure that I will do the right thing to uninstall SP1

Mine has this battery leak from the very first day.
I do not have a SIM card in, maybe that's is the reason?

Huib

[Blue_Lightning]

Well, now that I've tried hard reset the vista side and didn't install SP1, I think SP1 wasn't the cause to the battery leak

[foxmeister]

Mine has this battery leak from the very first day.
I do not have a SIM card in, maybe that's is the reason?

Huib

I would certainly suggest that it is worth a try! FYI, I'm now at 41% after nearly a week of not using the device. I'll charge it up and pull the SIM out and see if affects battery life.

Regards,

Dave

[cmonex]

I get the leak, it used to be fine, but been getting it for a while now.

that's very good because that means I can debug the issue :)
sorry, I've yet to test my app idea, been on holiday.

BTW, I never installed SP1, I have a SIM in (but no valid APN entered so no data connection!), I have flashed a new rom to WM (though I don't remember if I had the leak prior to flash) and hard reset it several times for different reasons (testing other stuff) etc.

sometimes have wifi on, sometimes not. used to have SD, which was well before getting the leak, but lost the card (to be more precise switch broke in write protected mode), haven't had time to get another SD in its place. I've never ever turned bluetooth on.

I sometimes put vista to sleep, and sometimes hibernate, makes no big difference. btw hibernate is a lot better than total shut down, faster and you can go from where you left it last time - note, I never shut vista down

[Blue_Lightning]

Right, my problem seems persist with cmonex's.
I used to be no problem with the leak, it used to be can last for a week
But now it was like that
I've tried the vista hard reset and snapvue hard reset
and I've tried not installing SP1, and I also tried installing SP1
Seems no different for my device with that configuration
Don't know if the SIM card present affect it, But all the time I always use my sim card, never get it off for me
And I've tried shut down the modem in snapvue, so no data connection there, and the problem still there
And about SD Card, never use it, not until snapvue can detect it :)
Hmm.... Strangee......

[foxmeister]

Ok, so four hours after taking the Shift off charge and removing the SIM card, I'm down to 98% battery power with WM sleeping and Vista off. So, it doesn't seem like the lack of a SIM card has anything to do with it.

Regards,

Dave

[herpi]

Ok, so four hours after taking the Shift off charge and removing the SIM card, I'm down to 98% battery power with WM sleeping and Vista off. So, it doesn't seem like the lack of a SIM card has anything to do with it.

Regards,

Dave

hmmm... 2% in 4 hours is still nice. I am at 1.7% /hour!

Huib

[firedup]

I'm not sure I understand this thread....would'nt you expect the battery to deplete 1-2% per hour anyway with VISTA off...isnt Snapvue always on? So 1% per hour is 100 hours? 4 days? How long should it last for?:confused:

[herpi]

I'm not sure I understand this thread....would'nt you expect the battery to deplete 1-2% per hour anyway with VISTA off...isnt Snapvue always on? So 1% per hour is 100 hours? 4 days? How long should it last for?:confused:

I understand your irritation. It looks exagerated, but it is far from this:

It costs 2% per hour. For something I do not use at all. So I leave my house for the airport and arriving there after 5 hours I mostly have 88% left before I can use it after take off. Then I start up Vista , which seems to take for ever and I loose another 3%.
When looking to a film the Shift lives for max one and a half hour.
Hot swapping the battery is impossible. After hibernate I loose my SD card, so I always have to do a complete shutdown-and-restart for using my second battery.

When I take out/put back the battery however the power consumption is near zero. So that helps.
But if I could switch off Snapvue for ever then it would be solved.

I do not use it at all. So removing for ever is OK to me.

Huib

[firedup]

Yeah I agree, I don't need the SnapVue. As a 3G enabled laptop it is still probably the best out there. I guess it needs the Snapvue side running for the 3g connection though? If not I'd be happier without it - most people have a phone that will do all that snapvue will do and more so why bother?

[herpi]

Yeah I agree, I don't need the SnapVue. As a 3G enabled laptop it is still probably the best out there. I guess it needs the Snapvue side running for the 3g connection though? If not I'd be happier without it - most people have a phone that will do all that snapvue will do and more so why bother?

Exactly.

WE have enough other problems with disappearing SD cards, switching off WIFI and unable to shutdown properly.

I bought this ehhh... thing for use while travelling = not always juice available.

Huib

[cmonex]

well I have to say, my leak issue is solved ... it was caused by beta rom :P