Opera Mobile 9.5 build 781 works with AP 4

[Goatmaster]

I just installed the newest opera and it seems to work fine over the previous opera that is cooked in. I only used it for a few minutes but it seems better.

[irus]

not to double post but:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SFVV497V

[auswims]

not to double post but:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SFVV497V

Any extensive use results?

[eaglesteve]

I like it!! Thanks again Irus. You're the man!

Have used it only for a few minutes, but I already have a good feelig about this. My www.smh.com.au webpage is correctly displayed now, whereas it was messed up with the alpha or pre-alpha version. I also feel that it is faster.

Life is getting better and better now....:D

Will later test the other things like internet banking, other webpages, youtube, etc.

Works on the Dopod U1000 stock ROM without problem.

[Calavaro]

Can anyone link it someplace else except megaupload? They keep telling me my country has no more available slots...
Thanks.

[sergiopi]

I am testing with IRUS rom and works.
Just remember , if you have FTOUCHFLO enabled, to set the exclusions for opera9.exe otherwhise the scrolling will be SLOOOOOOOOWWWW :(

Many improvements, faster, better rendering, settings menu'.....

[geek78]

I have tried it... but netfront 3.5 RC7 is still beter for me...

[yaughan]

Thanks for letting us know. Yep, mostly looks nicer, better rendering. Some things are worse though!

** WARNING ** you lose all your favourites! Whoops.

How do I tweak this back to a more VGA-suited application? All menus are double spaced.

The favourites page is now on a grey background, looks worse than before (e.g. Transport for London favicon)

The bottom right popup button is now black instead of transparent. Why!

Also the popup onscreen keyboard bug is still there :-(

[fards]

Thanks for letting us know. Yep, mostly looks nicer, better rendering. Some things are worse though!

** WARNING ** you lose all your favourites! Whoops.

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this version installs into /windows/opera9
copy the opera6.adr file from application data/opera9 to this folder and lo your bookmarks are restored!

I've been trying to tweak the skin file but it's not playing nicely. Maybe worth looking at some of the CSS files to take care of the other issues.

[rorydaredkign]

the rapidshare links are on page 2 in the dev and hacking thread, if ive got a sec ill get hem for you lot
rapidshare links:
WM6 QVGA http://rapidshare.com/files/11637540..._QVGA.cab.html
WM6 VGA http://rapidshare.com/files/11637863...lable__VGA.cab
WM5 QVGA http://rapidshare.com/files/11637799..._QVGA__WM5.cab
WM5 VGA http://rapidshare.com/files/11637934...__VGA__WM5.cab

[lakeman]

I prefer the opera 9.5 onAP4 as the zoom is at an acceptable level whereas with this cab it is way too large.
I dont use RealVGA so I am not sure if this would improve its appearance.
I have used my bank site with no problems

[irus]

I prefer the opera 9.5 onAP4 as the zoom is at an acceptable level whereas with this cab it is way too large.
I dont use RealVGA so I am not sure if this would improve its appearance.
I have used my bank site with no problems

in address bar type in about:config and you can change that and a whole lot more

[lakeman]

thanks irus, I had done this with the beta but forgot how to do this

[techntrek]

I'm on AP4 and just tried the megaupload file - won't install because of incorrect permissions.

Edit: I just tried again and this time it installed. Odd.

[techntrek]

Well, I've been playing with this for the last hour or so and here's my impression. It renders better than the one that came with AP4. It doesn't scroll the screen with the 4-way like the AP4 version did, but I can live w/o that. It has a bug where most (all?) links can't be successfully clicked until you zoom in on the page - they appear to select by turning red, but the new page doesn't load. After zooming they turn red, then get highlighted, then the progress bar starts to show as the new page loads. One other bug, same as in AP4, it briefly shows each character in password fields before turning them into asterisks.

Edit: the link issue seems to be fixed if you start off at a large enough zoom level. Here are my Adaptive Zoom settings currently, although I may increase the zoom levels further.

Browser Buffer Width: 800 (pixels)
Maximum Zoom: 120 (percent)
Minimum Overview Zoom: 85 (percent)
Minimum Zoom: 85 (percent)
Virtual Screen Width: 800 (pixels)

[karneson]

I'm on AP4 and just tried the megaupload file - won't install because of incorrect permissions.

Edit: I just tried again and this time it installed. Odd.

You have to kill the old Opera if it is running. Otherwise you will get a permissions error.

[uczmeg]

techntrek settings help, but I'm not sure i liked them as much as the old default ones in the one installed with AP4. Anyone have a list of those? I didn't think to save them.

(You need to restart to make them apply, I didn't realise).

The settings do solve the clicking on a link in zoomed out view, although I'd rather be zoomed out more. It's an odd one, as you can still do the tap and hold click to bring up the menu and it realises you are on a link.

The big positive so far is that you get a progress bar in full screen mode now, so you actually know you have clicked on something. Otherwise I'm quite negative on this release.

The skin is too big and no longer transparent in full screen mode (the right hand corner arrow).

I've had the keyboard fail to display a few times, and as I work in tablet mode this is bad!

It doesn't seem to want to go to my homepage on start-up, but goes there if I click on home.

OK and cancel buttons just display as black boxes on pop-ups.

I think it feels more like a beta than the last build to me.

[eaglesteve]

I made the Minimum Overview Zoom to 70, keep all other values, and also use large font size.

It works well.

Occasionally my onscreen keyboard pops up by itself. When I try toggle it off, the portion previously covered by the keyboard is not 'reclaimed' by the rendering mechanism.

Conflict with Tengo still not resolved.

Black font on black keys om some screen is annoying, but not big deal for me.

I like the big space occupied by the menu bars. Easy for fingers. Just don't like the space taken by each favourite items.

Overall, I like the improved speed and fantastic rendering accuracy as compared to the earlier versions, although it is still far from being stable and perfect. Mine freezes a few times forcing a soft reset.

I've now made this my primary browser over netfront 3.5.

[EyeAmRubber]

One other bug, same as in AP4, it briefly shows each character in password fields before turning them into asterisks.
That's not a bug. Lots of apps and platforms do that. It's to allow you to make sure that you've entered the right characters before moving on to the next.

[uczmeg]

Having played some more, I really like it despite the odd quirks.

The google reader gadget on my igoogle page now works, and google mail is working well (I don't think it did before).

Still had a few more issues...

Sometimes images don't show. You just get an empty box.

And sometimes in forums threads when changing page, or going to the next page in something like google images it doesn't always put me back at the top of the page.

Otherwise it just keeps getting better.

[eaglesteve]

Do you guys find that it the OperaPreL.lnk in the startup folder causes the device to take forever to load? Sometimes I wonder if it is dead or still alive, and often takes 4 to 5 tries in soft reset to revive the unit.

I looked and noticed that OperaPreL.exe is just a tiny file, and wonder why is there a need to include this in the startup folder. I deleted it and was able to use Opera as nornal.

In any case, with or without the preloader, I found that once I exit Opera, the today screen becomes blank for a long time before the plugins start to reappear. It's almost like Opera need to sweep all the today plugin items away to make room for itself.:confused:

[techntrek]

That's not a bug. Lots of apps and platforms do that. It's to allow you to make sure that you've entered the right characters before moving on to the next.

I disagree, Opera 9.x is the only program that does this. Opera 8.65 did not, Windows Mobile itself doesn't do it, neither does desktop Windows. The whole purpose of a password field is to be able to type a password while someone is watching over your shoulder. The way 9.x works, a person looking over your shoulder knows your password by the time you are done typing it.

[techntrek]

Do you guys find that it the OperaPreL.lnk in the startup folder causes the device to take forever to load? Sometimes I wonder if it is dead or still alive, and often takes 4 to 5 tries in soft reset to revive the unit.

I looked and noticed that OperaPreL.exe is just a tiny file, and wonder why is there a need to include this in the startup folder. I deleted it and was able to use Opera as normal.

In any case, with or without the preloader, I found that once I exit Opera, the today screen becomes blank for a long time before the plugins start to reappear. It's almost like Opera need to sweep all the today plugin items away to make room for itself.:confused:

I have deleted the shortcut from the /startup folder, too, and Opera works fine. I did not notice any slowdown, I was just annoyed that the preloader program wouldn't shut down - it was always in the start menu as a running app. Opera might take 1 or 2 extra seconds to start up now, no big deal.
No problem with the today screen, either. Its there immediately after I shut down Opera, or minimize it.

I do like the larger menu items like someone else said. Very finger-friendly even in true VGA mode. I've also noticed that the soft keyboard actually hides when you start to use the hard keyboard, unlike the version that came with AP4.

[EyeAmRubber]

Opera 9.x is the only program that does this.
Nope!

The whole purpose of a password field is to be able to type a password while someone is watching over your shoulder. The way 9.x works, a person looking over your shoulder knows your password by the time you are done typing it.
:rolleyes:

If someone is looking over your shoulder he can simply look at your hardware or software keyboard to see which keys you are pressing anyway.

[jsp91470]

Windows Mobile itself doesn't do it

Not true, Windows Mobile (at least, WM 6.1 Standard) does briefly show the character you've entered. My wife's Cingular 3125 (HTC StarTrek) with the cooked WM 6.1 ROM does it. On a device such as that without a keyboard or touch screen, it's enough of a pain to enter text using a number pad that a feature like that is essential, otherwise you'll be constanty re-entering passwords when you type them wrong.

Even on the Athena with both a software and hardware keyboard, they're still small enough that there's plenty of margin for error so this feature is very welcome.

I agree, this is not a bug.

[techntrek]

We will have to agree to disagree then.

[EyeAmRubber]

We will have to agree to disagree then.
If it is intended to work this way, it is not a bug. And it is clearly intended to work this way, and it is not just Opera that does it. Thus, it is not a bug, and it makes sense too, for the reasons mentioned by me and other people.

[uczmeg]

If it is intended to work this way, it is not a bug. And it is clearly intended to work this way, and it is not just Opera that does it. Thus, it is not a bug, and it makes sense too, for the reasons mentioned by me and other people.

I agree it is clearly by design and personally I like it.

But I think more to the point is that it really should be functionality that can be switched off if required either in WM or Opera, whichever introduced it.

[techntrek]

Not true, Windows Mobile (at least, WM 6.1 Standard) does briefly show the character you've entered.

I'm running AP4, which is WM 6.1. Here are some examples for you. Start > Settings > Personal > Lock > Check 'Prompt if device unused for' > Click the Password field > type anything

Asterisks appear immediately, here and everywhere else that has a masked password field. Another example is the PIN field in the Phone settings. This was true under the stock WM 6 ROM, too. WM does not show you the character you typed at the OS level.

At the application level, Opera 8.65 was immediately masked. I just tried Remote Desktop Mobile and its password field is immediately masked.

[techntrek]

If it is intended to work this way, it is not a bug. And it is clearly intended to work this way, and it is not just Opera that does it. Thus, it is not a bug, and it makes sense too, for the reasons mentioned by me and other people.

When someone says they are willing to agree to disagree you can't keep ramming your opinion down their throat and expect them to suddenly agree with you. In my post just above this one I demonstrate clearly that this is not how WM works, and not how other applications work. I've only seen this in the various Opera 9.x betas.

[jsp91470]

I did qualify my original comment that it might me a WM 6.1 Standard behavior. I acknowledge that 6.1 Pro does mask the password immediately. But 6.1 Standard shows the last character for about a second.

By 6.1 Standard, I mean a non-touchscreen device like my wife's Cingular 3125, rather than 6.1 Pro, which would be a touchscreen device.