Detailed Technical Specifications of HTC Touch Diamond (HTC Diamond 100)

[too kool]

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Detailed Technical Specifications of HTC Touch Diamond (HTC Diamond 100)

Brand:.HTC

Manufacturer: High Tech Computer

Project Codename: HTC Diamond 100

Release Date:.June, 2008

Physical Attributes
Dimensions
, (width x height x depth): 51 x 102 x 11.5 millimetres
2 x 4 x 0.5 inches
Bounding Volume:59.8 cubecentimetres
Mass: 110 grams (battery included)

Software Environment
Embedded Operating System: Microsoft Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional
Operating System Kernel: 5.2

Microprocessor, Chipset
CPU: Qualcomm MSM7201A
Width of Machine Word: 32 bit
CPU Clock: 528 MHz
CPU Core: ARM1136EJ-S
Instruction Set: ARMv6

Memory, Storage capacity
ROM type: Flash EEPROM
ROM capacity: 4352 MB
RAM type: DDR SDRAM
RAM capacity: 192 MB
Hard Disk capacity: Not supported

Graphical subsystem
Display Type: color transflective TFT
Display Color Depth: 16 bit/pixel (65536 scales)
Display Resolution: 480 x 640 (307200 pixel)
Display Diagonal: 2.8 " (72 millimetres)
Viewable Area: 1.7" x 2.3" (43.2 x 57.6 millimetres)
Dot Pitch: 0.09 millimetre/pixel

Audio Subsystem
Audio Channel(s): stereo sound
Analog/Digital Converter
(Recording): 16 bit quantization (nominal)
44100 Hz sampling frequency
Digital/Analog Converter
(Playing): 16 bit resolution
44100 Hz holding frequency
Microphone: mono
Speaker: 1 loudspeaker (mono)
Audio Output: Proprietary plug

Cellular Phone
Cellular Networks: GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS900, UMTS2100
Cellular Data Link: CSD, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HSDPA
Cellular Antenna: Internal
Call Alert: 40 -chord melody (polyphonic)
Vibrating Alert: Supported
Speakerphone : Supported

Phone Controller (DSP): Qualcomm MSM7201A (QDSP4000, QDSP5000)
Control Peripherals
Positioning Device: Touchscreen
Primary Keyboard: Not supported
Directional Pad: 5 -way directional block (including action button)
Scroll Wheel: Not supported

Interfaces
USB: USB 2.0 client, Hi-Speed (480Mbit/s)
USB Series Mini-B (mini-USB) connector
Infrared Gate: Not supported
Bluetooth (802.15): Bluetooth 2.0 + EDR , Internal antenna
Wireless LAN/Wi-Fi (802.11): 802.11b, 802.11g (54Mbit/s)
Internal antenna

Multimedia Telecommunication
Analog TV: Not supported
Analog Radio: FM radio reciever
Proprietary headset as antenna

Satellite Navigation (GPS)
GPS Protocol: NMEA 0183
GPS antenna: Internal antenna
GPS Chip: Qualcomm MSM7201A gpsOne

Built-in Digital Camera
Main Camera: CMOS sensor, 2048x1536 (3.146 million pixels)
Autofocus (AF): Supported
Optical Zoom: 1 x
Macro Mode: Not supported
Built-in Flash: Not supported
Recordable Image Formats: JPG, BMP
Camcorder: 320x240pixel , 30frame/sec
Recordable Video Formats: 3GPP, MPEG4, MJPG

Secondary Camera for Video Calling
Secondary Camera: CMOS sensor, 640x480 pixel
Recordable Image Formats: JPG
Camcorder: 320x240pixel
Recordable Video Formats: 3GPP, MPEG4

Power Supply
Battery: Lithium-ion polymer , removable
Battery Capacity: 900 mAh
Avarege Current: 129 mA
Estimated Battery Life: 7 hours

Additional Details
Additional Features: GPRS Class 10
A-GPS
HTC TouchFLO 3D (HTC Manila)
HTC VueFLO
Bluetooth stereo audio profile (A2DP)
RDS


what you say about diamond......:cool:

[Win_XP]

New fashion blinky device that is for commercial users :)

[onesolo]

Lack of memory card support and 3.5" VGA is a no go for me. But I have to recognize that the other specs makes one of the best pda phones of the market in conjunction with the price.

[molesaied88]

wow, nice phone, but battey life BLOWS!!!!! 7 hours??? are u kidding me? and if u were to use data or gps, you wouldnt even get half a day.

[myv6mustang]

Dont think its for serious business users. More of an IPHONE competitor. I hate it but id take the new IPHONE over it...depending on performance of course.

No not an Iphone fanboy just looking at phoen purpose. The diamond appears to be iphone comp. Its missing the big ass screen. Why doesnt HTC just slap a big ass screen on a phone. On the diamond they could have gotten rid of a few buttons and made the screen larger.

[rockky]

n'uff said

[SecureGSM]

theres is also 2G ONLY variant of HTC Touch Diamond released in India. Same, but no HSDPA/WCDMA at all. Pirce is much better though.

2G Only variant will be at least US$200.00 cheaper than 2G+3G variant and will be on sale in India at RRP US$640.00, while RRP for 2G/3G handset in Taiwan is set at US$855.00.

check this page for details ( specifications):

http://www.htc.com/in/product.aspx?id=48110

[walshieau]

there is also an American Variant with 3G bands 850 / 2100 Mhz...

[Dark Fire]

Dont think its for serious business users. More of an IPHONE competitor. I hate it but id take the new IPHONE over it...depending on performance of course.

No not an Iphone fanboy just looking at phoen purpose. The diamond appears to be iphone comp. Its missing the big ass screen. Why doesnt HTC just slap a big ass screen on a phone. On the diamond they could have gotten rid of a few buttons and made the screen larger.

One of the main points of the Touch Diamond is that it is considerably smaller and and thinner than the iPhone. I think the Touch Diamond is much more pocket-sized. A big screen would have made the phone bigger so, personally, I'm happy with the screen size.

I'm thinking of hacking that camera to see if I can get it to record VGA videos...That would be nice. :)

[Cyrus Kourosh]

Memory, Storage capacity
ROM type: Flash EEPROM
ROM capacity: 4352 MB
RAM type: DDR SDRAM
RAM capacity: 192 MB
Hard Disk capacity: Not supported

I guess:

ROM: 256 MB
Internal Memory : Samsung MoviNAND 4GB internal flash storage
(seems to me accessible without Activesync as an external memory drive )

[Hikey]

what is the OS version ?

5.2.19900 ?

[Hikey]

may i have a copy of the dumped rom?

[imranbashir_uk]

I guess all the variants are there because HTC couldn’t get all the antennas in the same device due to size restrictions.
It’s clear to see that they are using the same PCB across all the variants, to keep costs down. One example of this is they have kept the forward facing camera for the 2G version, not necessary as you clearly won’t be doing video calling on that!

[InjecTioN]

a shame it doesn't have a hardware-keyboard and a memory-slot

nice phone tough!!

[Dark Fire]

A shame it doesn't have a keyboard? Are you mad?

It is a shame about the memory expansion problem though...

[imranbashir_uk]

a shame it doesn't have a hardware-keyboard and a memory-slot

nice phone tough!!

I guess your options will be either the SonyEricsson Xperia X1 or the Touch Diamond Pro

[swordfish2009]

no expansion slot!! man its bad

[SecureGSM]

I keep asking this question:

What is the GSM radio firmware version for Diamond??

[aledc78]

The CDMA version will be much better than this...

[csofm]

Arrh crap was really looking foward to this phone, Just found out it don't have a memory card slot, thats rubbish why why why

[walshieau]

Arrh crap was really looking foward to this phone, Just found out it don't have a memory card slot, thats rubbish why why why

because is has 4GB onboard NAND memory, do you see an expansion slot on the iShit (iphone) ?

[dazza9075]

If they ever made the perfect PDA they would be out of business, lets face it, there isnt the overwhelming push of the games industry to warrent upgrades once you reach the point of VGA and fluid displays, if this PDA has the screen, has the processing power and connectivity to suite current and near future needs people wont want to change.

It makes sence they do this, and when ever they want to sell a new one they ramp up the storage space a bit.

[swordfish2009]

^ +1

soon we may see touch diamond plus with memory slot :D

[SecureGSM]

...If they ever made the perfect PDA they would be out of business...

even perfect devices become absolete. I don't believe it is true. Sorry.

So far OS upgrades are pushing factor for IT industry in MS IT space ;)
next major factor these days: SD video -->FULL_HD market conversion.

so.. nvidia new video chip + Intel Atom processor +wm7 - is next one to watch out for.. or likely in stages.. to maximise profit, of course! :)

[imranbashir_uk]

The Atom still draws too much power, it will more than likely move towards the Qualcomm snapdragon chipset running up to 1GHz. Lots of other things to integrate (enable on the chipset) too, e.g. TV out, USB on the go, etc...

[dazza9075]

Indeed, they will make it better and upgrade parts, make lower power consumption of other parts, but the fact remains, why would it force people to upgrade?

Ive got an Orbit just now, its slow doesnt have 3G and the camera is crap but it does everything else i want it to. the Diamond will pretty much take care of all of this and will be my next upgrade, after the diamond assuming they dont shaft us with crap video drivers i cant think of a serious fault with the exception of storage space.

You talk about HD displays, but seriously, how many power users out there are bothered about this? yeah it'll look good, but for what? games? nope, apps and OS? much better? doubt it, movies? perhaps but this is a very limited area, how many of us truely have time to sit about watching films on a 3in screen? my bet is not many and those that do will probably be needing extra batteries!

The OS is the most likely area for progression but again, size is the physical problem here, the screen is tiny so super high res is pointless as you can only get buttons so small, and in the glare of the sun it'll still look crap.

Dont get me wrong, there will be better devices, faster CPU, wireless VGA output, 3D displays more storage, the question is will the mainstream buyer "need" much more? its main stream that makes the money not the cutting edge buyer thats always wants that bit more. If the diamond is a success they will milk it for all its worth, which is why they removed the option to increase storage for the end user.

well thats my theory / rant, anyway:rolleyes:

[hk-trotter]

Ah, if the internal flash is 4GB, why on earth would I need a memory slot?? Remember, the transfer speed of this lovely device is USB 2.0 High Speed. :D

[someone1234]

Hi,

I havnt followed WM for quite some time now but i had a couple of questions/thoughts..

It looks like the Diamond uses standard NAND flash. If its true that future versions may come out with higher capacity, its possible that the PCB already has traces for multiple select lines. In that case we could open the phone and stack another 4GB or more on top :)

Traditionally only NOR memory can do XIP, but there's been a few new ideas for doing XIP in NAND. Is there any news of this actually being used in new phones?

[walshieau]

Hi,

I havnt followed WM for quite some time now but i had a couple of questions/thoughts..

It looks like the Diamond uses standard NAND flash. If its true that future versions may come out with higher capacity, its possible that the PCB already has traces for multiple select lines. In that case we could open the phone and stack another 4GB or more on top :)

Traditionally only NOR memory can do XIP, but there's been a few new ideas for doing XIP in NAND. Is there any news of this actually being used in new phones?

yes, they partition the NAND....

[someone1234]

I was talking on a hardware level. Typically you have multiple flash chips with a select line that enables the chip.

You then stack up these chips, connecting all the data/address lines together, and one select line to an IO line to the main cpu. The cpu then selects the chip it wants to read from by setting that line, and then uses the data/address lines to latch the address to read/write and get/set the data through the address line.

Typically you get 1 flash chip in 1 physical package with ONE select line, and data/address/power/ground lines. eg 2G capacity

Manufacturers can then physically stack this to become 2 x 2G by soldering all the wires together except the select lines. they then run the select lines to two seperate IOs on the cpu. The CPU then uses the select line along with the common data/address lines to write to either chip.

You can stack as many of these chips as you want on top of each other as long as there are enough select lines run to the CPU.

Making big flash chips is more dificult because they have to layer on top of each other. Also market demand means they have to decide before hand how many 2G, 4G and 8G to make. Because of that flash chip manufacturers make alot of 2G dies, and then physically stack them inside one silicon package for you. They can then decide at the last minute what proportions of capacity they need.

These stacked chips are exactly the same as if you stacked them yourself, but physically thinner.

Because of this, the 8GB chips you often see are physically stacked 2G or 4G flash chips in one silicon package.

Take the iphone for example, if you open one up you may find one 8G flash chip (2 x 4G stacked in one package by samsung) or you may find 2 x 4G chips soldered on top of each other!

The pinout of a flash chip defines positions for multiple select lines, but of course on an unstacked chip the extra pins are N/C. By soldering another similar chip on top, and rerouting its first select line to the pad that coresponds to the second selec line on the PCB u efectivly double the capacity.

Obviously this all depends on if they bothered to run the extra select pads to the CPU or not. More than likely they would because it leaves the option open to increase capacity later, and it doesnt cost them anything to route those lines, but you never know if they have or not.

[rorydaredkign]

the athena "swap the microdirve for a ssd" project never seemed to work, but on the other hand, the universal has had a ram upgrade, so who knows if its possible. but if flash works, why not stream any video you want from the web, and keep all the other stuff on the phone?

[walshieau]

I was talking on a hardware level. Typically you have multiple flash chips with a select line that enables the chip.

You then stack up these chips, connecting all the data/address lines together, and one select line to an IO line to the main cpu. The cpu then selects the chip it wants to read from by setting that line, and then uses the data/address lines to latch the address to read/write and get/set the data through the address line.


Yes i know about stacking, but as you stated it all depends on the data/address lines...

But who is willing to rip their's apart?

[someone1234]

The main thing is music... but i might just stream internet radio instead.. i wonder if launchcast would work :p

Anyway if it annoys me enough i'm going to try it. JIC anyone else is thinking to you need to remove the initial chip and read out its ID and clone it onto the second otherwise they phone will probably not like it.

[rorydaredkign]

we dont even have them yet, and we want to take them apart and "fix them" maybe, as well as a software project, a hardware one, working on this specifically. if people want it dont, get donations for a device so they dont have to f*** up their own one trying stuff out..

[Dark Fire]

This hardware and software fiddling would be a good project for uni - it would be fun, complex, and it would hopefully finish with a nice present for yourself...

[someone1234]

i'm an embedded engineer by trade so its not that far a leap for me :)

The only thing that anoys me is that no matter what it is, once u open it its never quite the same - possibly all sub concious tho.

I'm buying one offline, and i'll get another when its out on t-mobile.. i'm due for upgrade but i'll just wait.

[rorydaredkign]

ah, im gona be an engineer in about 5 years lol.
ah well at least we have somebody who knows what theyre talking about here. and if you do succeed, im sure there will be a queue of people wanting you to do their devices for them lol
and my tytn actually got way way worse.
i cant remember the original problem, but after taking it apart and rebuilding it, i got the white scren of death, broken speaker, broken camera sometimes, broken front buttons and broken vibration. all of this was sometimes.
and ive been taking things apart since i was about 4 and im now 17.

[Dark Fire]

Yeah, I get that subconscious stuff too. Also, I never like installing programs that I know I'm going to immediately uninstall, because they always leave traces that slow down things...

I'll be an engineer in 3 years. :P
And it is good to have people who actually know stuff here. There are a lot of random people around...

[someone1234]

Yeah i'm the same.. i usually download whatever i can find before the device arives.. install the lot on day one.. note down whats good... restore back to factory and do a clean install.

I'm a bit OCD sometimes, so it can take a while!

[rorydaredkign]

im so lazy its unbelievable. i dont put in my serials until the programs stop working and make me put them in...
by the way does anyone know if it has usb host? through something like the athena's attachment?

[Dark Fire]

Haha...I have reason in my madness though - I once blew up a computer by having too much running at the same time...
Oh, and I think it was just after I opened it up for the first time (to inspect the DVD drive which I was intending to upgrade to something that could write DVDs).

[Dark Fire]

OK...That post seems to have posted itself twice. :S

[someone1234]

wow thats rare.. did u disconnect a fan or something?

[Dark Fire]

Nah, I think the RAM might have been messed up by dust from the fans, because it melted itself onto the motherboard.

[rorydaredkign]

loool ive seen this pc i think
and congrats mark on now being a member, your post count has gone up 4-fold at least in the last few days

[Dark Fire]

Yeah, that PC is famous. It was featured in a trailer for the Catrix. It's still around here somewhere...
I had a lot of fun with it though, once I accepted that it was not worth fixing. All of the components still work. :)

And thank you Rory.

[imranbashir_uk]

@ someone1234,

Your totally right about this, I myself have stacked flash devices on top of each other and hand soldered them! - this was 7 odd years ago while I was designing a custom mobile terminal that was going to be running CE 2.0!

I also agree all HTC needed to do was bring out a spare CS line and not fit a 0R resistor. Its good practice to bring these out, along with some spare test pads for debug, but that would be dependent on routing constraints. I fear that might of went for a BGA devices to save space, if that the case no stacking, but possibly replace the device for a larger one that is pin compatible.

However that would have to be done at a proper hot air re-work station, not something you’d find at uni.

[someone1234]

Its possible they went for BGA, but tssop are alot more common. With flash shortages it would be a brave choice. I think its the same reason iphone doesnt use BGA.

I have the equipment to remove and solder BGA, but even still its very risky with the desnity of parts on the PCB.

I can't imagine they're using a single flash 4G chip. Its most likely a 2 x 2G in one physical package. So that would allow you to replace it with a 2x4G if the addressing is sufficient.

I would be seriously suprised tho if all 4 select lines are not there. The routing restraints would be quite limited because all four select lines are adjacent to each other. So if they were all run parallel you are talking just over a mm additional routing space, plus possibly upto 1mm more if all 4 vias had to be parallel too.

Anyway we'll see! here's hoping :)

[imranbashir_uk]

Totally agree it would be 2x2G at the moment to allow for expansion. As for routing, you got to remember they are using a standard chipset so there are far more features then they will ever use, as such the IC is larger than if it was a custom ASIC so it’s going to be quite dense, issues with crosstalk and impedance requirements would dictate track gap and width separation. To breakout of the BGA they would have used microvias so it would not add any additional distance.

The iPhone is a far larger device so they could get away with TSSOP, but the Diamond will be tight in there hence the reason for different variants as they were not able to fit all the antennas in one device.

[someone1234]

true.. it depends on so many little things that its hard to say one way or the other without looking inside it.

The iphone is actually quite tightly packed too, you can see the samsung flash chip in the first picture.

http://i.cmpnet.com/techonline/uth/iPhone1_High.jpg
http://i.cmpnet.com/techonline/uth/iPhone2_High.jpg

The main reason the iphone is alot bigger is the battery and the larger screen.

With regards to antenna's i don't think the reason is lack of space as such, but enough seperation between antenna's to keep them usefull. What i mean is there probably is enough physical space to put in all the antena's but not far enough apart so that they dont interfere with each other.

The iphone doesnt use an 'ASIC' either (like the more mature phone manufactuers - nokia, SE), as you can see in the pictures they are all discrete parts from well known manufactueres. In reality the integration of off the shelf basebands is fast aproaching the levels of 'ASIC's that manufactueres like nokia have. This is mostly due to the more stable nature of the 3G standards.

* i say 'ASIC' because a baseband by infineon is actually an ASIC, but i'm sure you are talking about an ASIC specific to apple, HTC, nokia etc i.e. not usable by another phone manufacturer.

[GPSSlovakia]

Does it have SD/microSD card slot or not ???

I have bought iGO8 on microSD card, so HOW will I use it in HTC Touch Diamond ???

[rorydaredkign]

no microsd, but best way would be to show hidden files on the pc, copy it all somewhere, then copy it to your 4gb on the diamond.
Rory

[imranbashir_uk]

Thank god (or HTC?!) that you dont have to go through ActiveSync to copy files on to the internal 4GB, it gives you the choice of being shown as a removable flash drive once plugged into your pc

[kapster]

Thank god (or HTC?!) that you dont have to go through ActiveSync to copy files on to the internal 4GB, it gives you the choice of being shown as a removable flash drive once plugged into your pc

Well thats good news. activesync is quite slow to do those big transfers.

[too kool]

Does it have SD/microSD card slot or not ???

I have bought iGO8 on microSD card, so HOW will I use it in HTC Touch Diamond ???

it don't have a memory card slot, because is has 4GB onboard NAND memory. :p

[Cyrus Kourosh]

no microsd, but best way would be to show hidden files on the pc, copy it all somewhere, then copy it to your 4gb on the diamond.
Rory

That's not possible (at least from official version).
Garmin and IGO softwares are SD card dependent.
They wont install on your PDA from another place than launching the installation file from the original SD.

[walshieau]

That's not possible (at least from official version).
Garmin and IGO softwares are SD card dependent.
They wont install on your PDA from another place than launching the installation file from the original SD.

the 4GB comes up as an SD card on the device

[imranbashir_uk]

I think he might mean that the SD card has copy protection built into (encryption maybe?) so you can’t copy it. Or that it might have a file in a hidden partition that it looks for before it will run, so cannot be run without the original card.

Not sure as his comment was a bit ambiguous.

[Brendo]

sucks that it has no flash (for camera) either :(

[walshieau]

I think he might mean that the SD card has copy protection built into (encryption maybe?) so you can’t copy it. Or that it might have a file in a hidden partition that it looks for before it will run, so cannot be run without the original card.

Not sure as his comment was a bit ambiguous.

no what he meant is that there is a 2477 (from memory thats the autorun folder) folder that on insertion the OS picks up the AutoRun and tries to install the application like the Autorun from a CD.

[rorydaredkign]

ive got one of those on the microdrive on my athena, with sygic's install folder, and it tries to install every time i boot...
hope this helps

[too kool]

It's not all great news however, in our test, which we were informed was a prototype, the interface was at times sluggish to our requests. Then there was a lack of a 3.5mm jack for music fans as well as the lack of an external memory card slot for further expansion, although in fairness 4GB internal memory should suffice most people and HTC say that a 3.5mm dongle is included in the box. Then there is the worry of battery with HTC's President suggesting that compromises had been made for the size.

[Dark Fire]

It's not all great news however, in our test, which we were informed was a prototype, the interface was at times sluggish to our requests. Then there was a lack of a 3.5mm jack for music fans as well as the lack of an external memory card slot for further expansion, although in fairness 4GB internal memory should suffice most people and HTC say that a 3.5mm dongle is included in the box. Then there is the worry of battery with HTC's President suggesting that compromises had been made for the size.

Where do they mention the 3.5mm dongle? Link please? If it's in the box, it can go on my list. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394957)

[imranbashir_uk]

Where do they mention the 3.5mm dongle? Link please? If it's in the box, it can go on my list. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394957)

The dongle was mentioned by the CEO in the Q&A session straight after the launch event. However I think it was a passing comment, and it certainly isn’t in any of the unboxing videos I’ve seen.

[walshieau]

The dongle was mentioned by the CEO in the Q&A session straight after the launch event. However I think it was a passing comment, and it certainly isn’t in any of the unboxing videos I’ve seen.

its not in the box

[imranbashir_uk]

Thanks walshieau,

As you already have the device any chance you can upload the user manual as a PDF file, it might be worth a quick look for any surprises...

[Dark Fire]

Thanks walshieau,

As you already have the device any chance you can upload the user manual as a PDF file, it might be worth a quick look for any surprises...

Yeah. Thanks and upload please. :)
It's annoying that they never throw in that adapter thing though...

[rorydaredkign]

Yeah. Thanks and upload please. :)
It's annoying that they never throw in that adapter thing though...

its because theyll make 8 quid off you for it
the athena had headphone build in :P
but then stupidly, vga out cable included, but not tv out or usb host. all so they can make an extra 15 quid...
damn htc

[Dark Fire]

its because theyll make 8 quid off you for it
the athena had headphone build in :P
but then stupidly, vga out cable included, but not tv out or usb host. all so they can make an extra 15 quid...
damn htc

Exactly. And it appears that, with the Touch Diamond, they've stopped including any sort of a case or pouch too...

[ydg]

Now I have Cruise with Tom Tom and Western Europe maps.
I've ordered Diamond and it seems that there's not Tom Tom installed.
Is it true ?
Otherwise what's the GPS program?
Does TomTom Navigator will work on Diamond ?

Thanks for comments.

[rorydaredkign]

yep, some people have it on their test rom, but somebody quoted a htc email to them saying it wont be in it. it depends on your locality, but it does work on the diamond
Rory

[imranbashir_uk]

Yes TomTom works fine on the Diamond

[too kool]

Where do they mention the 3.5mm dongle? Link please? If it's in the box, it can go on my list. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394957)

check this :cool:

http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/reviews/review.phtml/3120/4144/htc-diamond-smartphone-first-look.phtml

[Dark Fire]

check this :cool:

http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/reviews/review.phtml/3120/4144/htc-diamond-smartphone-first-look.phtml

Oh, wow, thanks. I'd bet on HTC having lied, but I'll put it on my list anyway.

[imranbashir_uk]

That review was a first look just one day after the device was launched back on 6 May. All they are quoting is what was said at the Q & A session at the end of the presentation by the CEO. As others have said it will not be included by HTC.

However it doesn’t stop operators including additional stuff, such as T-Mobile usually release two versions one with Co-pilot and one without. The one with Co-pilot also includes a car charger, windscreen mount, etc...

[Dark Fire]

That review was a first look just one day after the device was launched back on 6 May. All they are quoting is what was said at the Q & A session at the end of the presentation by the CEO. As others have said it will not be included by HTC.

However it doesn’t stop operators including additional stuff, such as T-Mobile usually release two versions one with Co-pilot and one without. The one with Co-pilot also includes a car charger, windscreen mount, etc...

Silly HTC. It seems that others know more about what HTC are doing, than HTC know themselves!

[drmurti]

Dear Friends,

Diamonds seems very lovely. Unfortunately I read that SAR Value is 1.33 !!!

What do you think about this ? Any other values found, please inform... Because 1.33 is excessive level, too dangerous to use...

Kindly Greetings

[someone1234]

Yeah its 1.33 at the head and 1.4 for the body.. Its in the FCC test (RF EXPOSURE):

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=174318&fcc_id=

Look at page 3.

Unfortunatly to keep phones small and 'cool' looking there have to be some compramises. There's phones witch have a much higher value, and unless you use your phone ALOT i wouldnt worry about it. Its your choice really.

[Dark Fire]

Dear Friends,

Diamonds seems very lovely. Unfortunately I read that SAR Value is 1.33 !!!

What do you think about this ? Any other values found, please inform... Because 1.33 is excessive level, too dangerous to use...

Kindly Greetings

Wow, that is something that I didn't think about before. But, still, 1.4 is well within US and EU limits (1.6 and 2 respectively - may be inaccurate because I got them from Wikipedia).

[drmurti]

Thanks for this legal information. This means; if used for long period this phone is not suitable for health. Too bad to see that....

[Plattendoktor]

I'm interestet in how many of the 196 MegaBytes are left for user applications averagely.

At my "old" HTC Touch its only 16 MB (Max. 20MB) left. Nearly the rest is allocated by my operating system.

[walshieau]

I'm interestet in how many of the 196 MegaBytes are left for user applications averagely.

At my "old" HTC Touch its only 16 MB (Max. 20MB) left. Nearly the rest is allocated by my operating system.

it has about half free, i noticed that the YouTube application is a memory whore though...

[Dark Fire]

As another Touch user, I'm sure that you'll struggle to work out how to fill up the RAM on the Touch Diamond. I'm certainly struggling to think of applications that would fill the RAM...

[mblazes]

Yeah its 1.33 at the head and 1.4 for the body.. Its in the FCC test (RF EXPOSURE):

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=174318&fcc_id=

Look at page 3.

Unfortunatly to keep phones small and 'cool' looking there have to be some compramises. There's phones witch have a much higher value, and unless you use your phone ALOT i wouldnt worry about it. Its your choice really.


Please see this site for a list of phones and SRAs
http://www.sarshield.com/english/radiationchart.htm

HTC Touch Diamond 0.85 SAR rating
(1.6W/kg)

[PsychoTraining]

I think that mblazes is right.. acording to this site:
http://www.ewg.org/cellphoneradiation/Get-a-Safer-Phone/HTC/Touch+Diamond/

and several more..
SAR VALUE 0.854 W/Kg

This is for the GSM Version

P.S.
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Looking for this I've searched my other phone which is BenQ-Siemens EF81 and it has the amazing 0.37 W/Kg - Lucky Me :)
"The highest SAR value for this model phone when tested for use at the ear is 0.37 W/Kg"