Now ..Who has it ???

[sectorlord]

Where did u buy ? How much ?

Are u happy ?

thanks

[loser]

Still No one -? Really , heard that it is availble in Taiwan already?

[walshieau]

Still No one -? Really , heard that it is availble in Taiwan already?

I have it!

[loser]

Where did you buy it from in Australia?

[someone1234]

walshieau, can you check on your phone the GSM and UMTS bands supports?

The (pre-release) device on the coolsmartphone review shows it seems to support all 5 UMTS bands :eek: I wonder if thats just because its a test build (and doesnt have the antennas) and if thats true in the final release one.

I guess its really important to know for all the US guys. This may actually be the best phone that works on t-mobile in the USA.

[Dark Fire]

I'd say it's a configuration problem on the test build, but life is pretty gloomy without hope.

[someone1234]

Me too, i cant see them putting in an antenna that can handle all those frequencies without compramising on reception. But hey i'm in the UK and i dont care that much ;)

[Dark Fire]

Wooo...Me too. :)
Maybe HTC have sort of given up on America, because that's the iPhone's home turf, so to speak.

[rorydaredkign]

ive never been without signal on any phone, that i can remember, except at the jjb stadium on sunday the 11th of may, might have been cell overload from all the united fans calling chelsea fans and laughing :P

[Dark Fire]

Hehe. I can often get a signal in the Emirates Stadium, but the networks are still overloaded sometimes.

In random places in Ireland, such as the Castlegregory perninsula, the signal can get a bit dodgy. I think the only network that perninsula has is Vodafone.

[someone1234]

For big events like concerts etc they bring in picocells to add capacity. I dont know if they bother for football games.

Basically a cell can handle a limited number of calls (the exact number depends on how many frequencies they use of that cell). So to increase call capacity per sq mile, they just use more cells but make them smaller. That works for densly populated events like football games, concerts etc, where you can have cells that cover only 10 meters.

In fact all along oxford street you have these piconodes every 10 meters or so to handle the capacity!

Anyway.. getting reception != being able to make a call. The cell may be too overloaded to make calls, but it should still let you register if no better alternative cell is available. The amount of cell phones that would need to be on the cell to overload to a point it can't let you register is huge.

So if you don't have reception that generally means there isnt a strong enough signal.

[rorydaredkign]

wow, i was just trying to be funny... and relive one of the best days of my life... but it was on my p1i and i think it was on 3g only. and i dont think theres a need for 3g in wigan..
lol

[someone1234]

just thought you might be interested :)
I used to work in that field a while ago.

[Dark Fire]

For big events like concerts etc they bring in picocells to add capacity. I dont know if they bother for football games.

Basically a cell can handle a limited number of calls (the exact number depends on how many frequencies they use of that cell). So to increase call capacity per sq mile, they just use more cells but make them smaller. That works for densly populated events like football games, concerts etc, where you can have cells that cover only 10 meters.

In fact all along oxford street you have these piconodes every 10 meters or so to handle the capacity!

Anyway.. getting reception != being able to make a call. The cell may be too overloaded to make calls, but it should still let you register if no better alternative cell is available. The amount of cell phones that would need to be on the cell to overload to a point it can't let you register is huge.

So if you don't have reception that generally means there isnt a strong enough signal.

Wow. That's more random knowledge I'm going to quote when the opportune moment arises. :)

[rorydaredkign]

just thought you might be interested :)
I used to work in that field a while ago.

fair enough. i thought it might give me more of a chance to laugh at chelsea fans.
but where are the cell piconodes on oxford street? like in lampposts or something? and ar they at tottenham court road? because i might look for them when i get my diamond there

[someone1234]

actually they're disguised in lots of ways. I'm not sure exactly what they use on oxford street but here's a quick google of some strange ones:

dead tree
http://www.prattfamily.demon.co.uk/mikep/jpegs/phot2k25.htm

Micronode/Piconode
http://www.prattfamily.demon.co.uk/mikep/jpegs/PIC00026.htm
http://www.hks.demon.co.uk/jpegs/sark_microcell.jpg
http://www.prattfamily.demon.co.uk/mikep/jpegs/PIC00037.htm

fake tree
http://www.hks.demon.co.uk/jpegs/tree_pair2.jpg
http://www.hks.demon.co.uk/jpegs/tree_pair.jpg
http://www.hks.demon.co.uk/jpegs/alan_dick_orange_tree.jpg

real tree:
http://www.hks.demon.co.uk/jpegs/orange_tree.jpg

anyway now i feel like some wierd train (err mast) spotter lol

[rorydaredkign]

wow. now u say about th piconodes, theyre the kinda thing i see on lampposts and think wtf...
lol

[someone1234]

haha yeah.. more importantly tho don't try to climb one of those tree's... from your signature you must be young.. u don't wanna be neutered :)

[Dark Fire]

Oh, so that's what those things are. I see them quite often, but I could never work out what they were.

That's all of the government conspiracy theories gone then... ;)

[someone1234]

hehe yeah.. but also look out for small half hexagon kinda shaped things on the side of lamposts.. they're cameras! You see them in dodgy areas.

[rorydaredkign]

nope i dont wana be neutered :P
half hexagon things on lamposts? in london?
im guessing hackney and the like? im sure enfield will get them soon if its dodgy areas..
a pic woud again be good? or their real name?
god we replace one conspiracy theory with another...

[Dark Fire]

nope i dont wana be neutered :P
im guessing hackney and the like? im sure enfield will get them soon if its dodgy areas..

That would destroy the whole point of life...
And I wouldn't be so sure that Enfield will get them. Tottenham makes Enfield look like a model town...

[someone1234]

a friend of mine who does work like that told me about them. They're not everywhere, just some areas - and only on certain streets/dark corners. I guess the amount of video would get rediculous if they had them everywhere.

They have one of those pinhole lenses on them and capture everything happening near the lamp post in great detail, and everything in one direction in progressivly worse detail. I couldnt find a picture online - probably my search terms - but i'll see if he knows the proper name for them.

They are usually in high drug usage areas.

[imranbashir_uk]

haha yeah.. more importantly tho don't try to climb one of those tree's... from your signature you must be young.. u don't wanna be neutered :)

LOL,

I work in the defence industry and with a lot of active RF sources including electronic counter measure decoys. The stories that I heard when I started working there were enough to go and get some sperm frozen!

Luckily everything still works down there...

[rorydaredkign]

how long before were making software to detect phone taps and bugs in our houses with our diamonds?

[ydg]

Well I've just ordered Diamond and the shop said I'll have it middle of June (French version for Switzerland without operator contract). I just hope they'll keep promise !

[someone1234]

LOL,

I work in the defence industry and with a lot of active RF sources including electronic counter measure decoys. The stories that I heard when I started working there were enough to go and get some sperm frozen!

Luckily everything still works down there...

When i used to work in GSM, i talked to the guys who work on the BTS's (the radio towers). They have to wear this badge which changes colour when they are exposed to too much radiation and should go on a break. Usually they turn off the entire BTS if anyone is going to work on it (i mean get reallly close to it), but alot of times thats not feasible. This guy was telling me its the best job ever... 10 mins work.. 20 mins rest.. 10 mins work.. 20 mins rest etc. He was sure his internal organs were suffering for it tho.

[Dark Fire]

how long before were making software to detect phone taps and bugs in our houses with our diamonds?

Already started mate. ;)

[rorydaredkign]

i would never work on those things.
yeah 10 work, 20 rest
but it can make you die
and does that guy have kids?

[someone1234]

how long before were making software to detect phone taps and bugs in our houses with our diamonds?

Detecting taps is not that hard actually if they transmist anything at all.
Blocking transmistion is easy too. Hard wired taps are alot harder to find. But then also much harder to install and keep hidden.

The best tap for a phone line for example is a coupling tap on the line outside. If you stick it somewhere hidden where the cable heads into the dirt, and transmit from there no one will every find it :eek:
It also leaves no trace to the phone audio unlike what u see in some crap movies showing clicks and stuff.

[imranbashir_uk]

When i used to work in GSM, i talked to the guys who work on the BTS's (the radio towers). They have to wear this badge which changes colour when they are exposed to too much radiation and should go on a break. Usually they turn off the entire BTS if anyone is going to work on it (i mean get reallly close to it), but alot of times thats not feasible. This guy was telling me its the best job ever... 10 mins work.. 20 mins rest.. 10 mins work.. 20 mins rest etc. He was sure his internal organs were suffering for it tho.

GSM that’s for girls, We run up to and over 40GHz now that’s what you call full fat! :eek:

[Dark Fire]

i would never work on those things.
yeah 10 work, 20 rest
but it can make you die
and does that guy have kids?

Pilots get paid lots because their internal organs suffer damage. Maybe that guy does too...

[rorydaredkign]

cant 40ghz like literally fry you?

[someone1234]

GSM that’s for girls, We run up to and over 40GHz now that’s what you call full fat! :eek:

eek.. thats SHF/EHF.. microwave, radar etc.. You wouldn't want to stand near some of those while they're on.

[Dark Fire]

eek.. thats SHF/EHF.. microwave, radar etc.. You wouldn't want to stand near some of those while they're on.

Microwaves. They pop hamsters don't they?
That would definitely damage humans, a lot.

[rorydaredkign]

yep cancer time for you......
hey i wonder if they can make like microwave bombs?

[imranbashir_uk]

Yep or more commonly known as K band

[Dark Fire]

yep cancer time for you......
hey i wonder if they can make like microwave bombs?

I think the American military have already made a microwave weapon thing (it's not a bomb). Oh, and they've made a gay bomb.

[someone1234]

cant 40ghz like literally fry you?

at those frequencies the safe limit at only 5mW/sq cm is 6 minutes exposure. I'm guessing his equipment is ALOT more powerfull than 5mW!

p.s. wow sooo off topic.. u gotta love it lol

[rorydaredkign]

i know, and nobody even cares. between us 4 chatting now, we like own 90% of the posts here..

[Dark Fire]

i know, and nobody even cares. between us 4 chatting now, we like own 90% of the posts here..

So true. Maybe HTC will notice and we can become highly-paid PR people who go to different countries every day. Everyone here certainly has enough knowledge for such a job.

[imranbashir_uk]

Actually RF power decays exponentially with distance, so to cover long distance its either directed e.g scanning radar, or amplified using RF horns so not much use as a weapon, unless at close range.

[someone1234]

So true. Maybe HTC will notice and we can become highly-paid PR people who go to different countries every day. Everyone here certainly has enough knowledge for such a job.

actually once - i wont name the company - i bought a phone and was so dissapointed with the reception, i sent them a free RF report (it was what i did at the time). They sent me a free 'beta' of their next 2 devices for comments lol

[imranbashir_uk]

Sorry guys can’t discuss power levels CW, ICW, PRI etc...

[Dark Fire]

actually once - i wont name the company - i bought a phone and was so dissapointed with the reception, i sent them a free RF report (it was what i did at the time). They sent me a free 'beta' of their next 2 devices for comments lol

Haha. Wow. That's amazing. I may well do that if I encounter problems with my Touch Diamond. But I doubt I will encounter problems. :)

[someone1234]

Yeah, the higher the frequency, the more power you need to get it to travel the same distance as a lower frequency one. A neat link into GSM....

The 900Mhz bands are split into 2 and sold to the first 2 networks in the country. The next two networks get the 1800Mhz range.

But because 1800Mhz requires more towers to cover the same area as the signal doesnt travel as far at the same level at the source 1800Mhz networks are compensated by having a slightly wider frequency range in the spectrum than 900 networks. (1800 networks can't just up the power since power levels are regulated and you might zap the guys closest to the tower).

As a result they use more frequencies in each cell and their call capacity per cell is higher than 900 networks. This balances out the number of towers needed!

[rorydaredkign]

damn this is getting serious now.
im already living in fear of the police coming knocking
theyre already probably seeing what im typing now :O
so im going to go before i incriminate myself
:P

[imranbashir_uk]

Yeah, the higher the frequency, the more power you need to get it to travel the same distance as a lower frequency one. A neat link into GSM....

The 900Mhz bands are split into 2 and sold to the first 2 networks in the country. The next two networks get the 1800Mhz range.

But because 1800Mhz requires more towers to cover the same area as the signal doesnt travel as far at the same level at the source 1800Mhz networks are compensated by having a slightly wider frequency range in the spectrum than 900 networks. (1800 networks can't just up the power since power levels are regulated and you might zap the guys closest to the tower).

As a result they use more frequencies in each cell and their call capacity per cell is higher than 900 networks. This balances out the number of towers needed!

Great in cities where populations are densely packed, not so good in rural areas.

[someone1234]

well it still balances out.. in rural areas they use higher power, make the mast higher, and let it cover a much wider area - a macrocell. Again the greater frequency allocation means they need less macrocells in any given area and it balances the frequency side of things out.

anyway.. i should go do some work now!

[imranbashir_uk]

I guess this is about as off topic as you can get! talk about going off on a tangent!

[someone1234]

Hmm seriously considering ebaying the diamond........................................... .......:eek:

[sectorlord]

Diamond WWE will be in HK on 02 June...Monday

The CHinese Diamond will be the 15 June...

I played with the dummy at the Gome shop... it is really well built, small and beautiful..

[someone1234]

Its on ebay (from HK) and all over the usual culprits on alibaba.com.

[drtwin]

I've preordered it on devicewire.com.
They expect it on June 9th as they replied in they email.

-------------------------------
Hi,

Thank you for contacting devicewire.com

We will be the first site in the UK to offer the HTC Touch Diamond and the date has been provided directly by HTC.

We will be offering the 192MB version, but have not yet been given details on any accessories.

If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Regards,

devicewire.com

-----Original Message-----

Sent: 26 May 2008 17:17
To: DeviceWire Sales
Subject: Question about HTC Touch Diamond availability
Hello,

I am very interested in purchasing HTC Touch Diamond once it is available. As a matter of fact I would pre-order it if you could answer me how certain you are that you will have them in stock on June 9th? I am asking this because most of the other retailer sites state that they will have it on June 19th.
Also I would like to know is it going to be a retail version with 192 MB and not 128 MB of RAM memory? Will you have that excellent HTC slip case available, also, since it is not included in the box?

[jasjamming]

Hmm seriously considering ebaying the diamond........................................... .......:eek:

Local EBAY POWER SELLER in Melbourne has 8 available righ now with free postage locally or pickup. He lives 20 mins from my house.

1 year warranty and tax invoice included.

Price: under 1K AU$

[smack bob]

Nice did you end up getting one from him?? Im seriously considering it. There are cheaper dodgey HK ebay stores but for an Aussie sale with some type of warranty the extra price is probably worth it.

[rtao]

WWE version turn up 2 days earlier in HK.... just trade-in my old x01ht :):)

[jomo25]

So, sorry, with all the conflicting information out there, and with the existence of videos of "pre-production" or "test" units, its hard to know for certain. So, I ask those who have somehow managed to purchase a production unit:

What GSM and UMTS bands are listed in the Phone Settings | Bands page?

Please confirm for us people still trying to decide if it will work for us.

Many Thanks!

[walshieau]

So, sorry, with all the conflicting information out there, and with the existence of videos of "pre-production" or "test" units, its hard to know for certain. So, I ask those who have somehow managed to purchase a production unit:

What GSM and UMTS bands are listed in the Phone Settings | Bands page?

Please confirm for us people still trying to decide if it will work for us.

Many Thanks!

i have one, the bands page clearly quotes "850MHZ" but its not, its actually "900mhz", i tried to connect to the 850Mhz network from telstra and no love, i managed to connect to the 900Mhz one from Optus though..

[shirreer]

Can someone kindly post the PDF User Manual? Thank you in advance

[Dark Fire]

Can someone kindly post the PDF User Manual? Thank you in advance

Yeah, that would be handy. I might actually read it before I start playing with the phone. ;)

[walshieau]

Yeah, that would be handy. I might actually read it before I start playing with the phone. ;)

uploading it to RS now, ill post a link when its done

edit... and here it is... http://rapidshare.com/files/119656439/HTC_Touch_Diamond_User_Manual_HTC_Asia_WWE.PDF

[Dark Fire]

Thanks. It's so stylish that it's making me want the Touch Diamond even more... :p

[Spawn12]

uploading it to RS now, ill post a link when its done

edit... and here it is... http://rapidshare.com/files/119656439/HTC_Touch_Diamond_User_Manual_HTC_Asia_WWE.PDF

Thanks mate, just saved me from asking a few questions...had a good read of the manual. It says it supports push email but im not too sure as i use Blackberry at work so was wondering if anyone knows if the Diamond supprts the Blackberry email service??.

[WorldIRC]

Mine is arriving before Noon tomorrow in Canada from www.negrielectronics.com

Contact ryan@negrielectronics.com and tell him Brian sent you and receive a discount / pricing info with immediate shipping!

[shirreer]

uploading it to RS now, ill post a link when its done

edit... and here it is... http://rapidshare.com/files/119656439/HTC_Touch_Diamond_User_Manual_HTC_Asia_WWE.PDF

I appreciate your taking the time, brother.
Thank you very much.

[shirreer]

Good mates, can I cause someone the extra trouble of uploading the User Manual (by walshieau) to either 4Shared or up here? RS & MegaUpload are blocked where I am. I'd appreciate the help, and thank you...

[jkr284]

Just got mine today, from ebay uk, a guy in manchester, i drove over and picked it up, it cost me 439 quid but worth every penny. I also justify the price by saying its cheaper than expansys lol. Ill make sure the dog doesnt chew this one like the cruise!

[wardy]

What , the dog eat your cruise .. Thats harsh !!

[rxdoctor]

Where did u buy ? How much ?

Are u happy ?

thanks

I am happy 800 big ones at www.smart-mobile-gadgets.com overnight shipping!!!

[jeemahn]

hi all,

i got one from Ebay, from guys in hongkong.

testing now and so far so good.. using in New Zealand..

[imranbashir_uk]

Good mates, can I cause someone the extra trouble of uploading the User Manual (by walshieau) to either 4Shared or up here? RS & MegaUpload are blocked where I am. I'd appreciate the help, and thank you...


4 Shared requires a signup, so unless someone on here has an account I don’t see anyone uploading it there.

Also the PDF is too big to upload as an attachment on this forum.

[loser]

Has anyone used popular electronics in chicago before ? are they reliable vendors?

[timn2087]

I got my diamond on the 30 of may from an ebay seller in melbourne - price just over AU$1,000

[timn2087]

4 Shared requires a signup, so unless someone on here has an account I don’t see anyone uploading it there.

Also the PDF is too big to upload as an attachment on this forum.

file is here:
http://www.4shared.com/account/file/50622742/90a7464a/HTC_Touch_Diamond_User_Manual_HTC_Asia_WWE.html

enjoy!

[Hamudi2000]

I ordered on Thursday evening from www.plemix.com in Hong Kong and it´ll be delivered today :)

[chaos42]

i just recieved mine. bought it from x1387 (ebay) which is located in hongkong.
i am so happy and astonished how small this thing is.
it is still charging for the first time. cant wait to turn it on when it is fully charged.
yeahaw!

happy chaos42

[Jorlin]

it is still charging for the first time. cant wait to turn it on when it is fully charged.
yeahaw!

Looking forward to your report :D

[rvbcrs]

Is there anybody in the Netherlands who has already got one?

[turt]

In Belgium it's available since this afternoon at Mediamarkt Brussels. I've got mine!

[rvbcrs]

In Belgium it's available since this afternoon at Mediamarkt Brussels. I've got mine!

Ok, may I ask how much it cost over there at the MedaiMarkt? and do you think it is on sale at all the mediamarkets in Belgium?

[turt]

It costs 549 EUR.

I don't know whether it's available at the others...

[sub69]

Got mine today for £475 from Tottenham Court Road.

Bit over the odds, but not as much as Expansys, and I get to play with it straight away.

Already quite impressed, the Kaiser will be on eBay shortly, and if the software keyboard continues to work as well as first impressions suggest, I may not need to upgrade when the Touch Pro comes out...

[SolusCado]

Am I the only person in the US that owns a TD?? (Expansys...)

[jehlinger]

uhh, no, I've had one since tuesday last week. There are many others in the US who have it.

[Dark Fire]

Got mine today for £475 from Tottenham Court Road.

Bit over the odds, but not as much as Expansys, and I get to play with it straight away.

Where!? Which shop? Is it a grey import?

[Jorlin]

Got mine today for £475 from Tottenham Court Road.

Bit over the odds, but not as much as Expansys, and I get to play with it straight away.

Already quite impressed, the Kaiser will be on eBay shortly, and if the software keyboard continues to work as well as first impressions suggest, I may not need to upgrade when the Touch Pro comes out...


Let us know about your experience :D

I am currently wondering if I should go for the Pro or not... thicker, more ram, flash, keyboard... still tempting. But if do not use the keyboard much and the camera seldomly... there is not real point in getting the pro XD