Touchflo 3d and manila packages..look at #33 post and #88!!!!

[davidebeatrice]

here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=395251) (#10 post) i found the touchflo3d and manila packages from the diamond rom.

[sub69]

Congratulations.

[davidebeatrice]

thx...but...i didn't do anything...i gave only notice...

[internetadam4657]

3 letters are the problem for us kaiser users: VGA.

our screens are not VGA screens so we cannot use this in its current form.

[Dredd67]

Well, I managed to get the new touchflo 3.0 to work, but no manilla sighting.

[DracoLX]

Well, I managed to get the new touchflo 3.0 to work, but no manilla sighting.

Hi Dredd... how did you manage that?

[Dredd67]

Hi Dredd... how did you manage that?

Copied eveeything to the windows dir, ran the .cab, rebooted, and new icon poped up in settings.

[DracoLX]

That's odd!
I've done the very same thing but it doesn't put the new icon. Still the same and old TouchFlow

[DracoLX]

By the way Dredd.... do you notice any change on the touchflow system itself?

[Dredd67]

As I said, I've copied everything inside the 3 folders into the windows folder, and used the .cab. I've used total commander.

Ah by the way I'm using Leo's V3 diamond rom.

Some screenies:

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/7835/touchflo3dre9.jpg

Unfortunately, nothing happens when I "tap here" :D
Touchflo works as usual.

[lupone67]

Unfortunately, nothing happens when I "tap here" :D
Touchflo works as usual.


Try to install flash lite ....... maybe......

I've found this package in diamond rom.

[DracoLX]

It's running. 1.22 fps best rate. Too slow.
As anyone been able to resize pics from Manilla to QVGA?

[aih1977]

As I said, I've copied everything inside the 3 folders into the windows folder, and used the .cab. I've used total commander.

Ah by the way I'm using Leo's V3 diamond rom.

Some screenies:

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/7835/touchflo3dre9.jpg

Unfortunately, nothing happens when I "tap here" :D
Touchflo works as usual.

can you please add the cab for the touchflo 3.0

[Dredd67]

can you please add the cab for the touchflo 3.0

It's here:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2238860&postcount=10

[davidebeatrice]

It's running. 1.22 fps best rate. Too slow.
As anyone been able to resize pics from Manilla to QVGA?

how do you have make it runnig?
my tytn ii stops here...

EDIT ive other problems: start menu hardware button now works as "ok" button and when i set "start menu" works well some minutes, but after that turns to "ok".
touchflo menu: works only "sound option"

[DracoLX]

I installed the package on the first post first!
Then installed the package on post 10 as Dredd said.
Soft Reset
And that was it.

By the way... i don't have the new TouchFlow icon.... still the old.
And i'm running the official WWE rom from HTC


Draco

[prerak4021]

wait ,,, the diamond touch flo will work with ATT Tilt wouldnt it?


because i know that my tilt is compatible with VGA and QVGA

[Joao Oliveira]

Hmmm....what?!?!?


wait ,,, the diamond touch flo will work with ATT Tilt wouldnt it?


because i know that my tilt is compatible with VGA and QVGA

[prerak4021]

Hmmm....what?!?!?

when i check my box which my tilt came in, it says VGA and QVGA compatible ...

so the DIAMOND touch flo should work with the tilt..

[davidebeatrice]

I installed the package on the first post first!
Then installed the package on post 10 as Dredd said.
Soft Reset
And that was it.

By the way... i don't have the new TouchFlow icon.... still the old.
And i'm running the official WWE rom from HTC


Draco

well...you are runnig the beta version of manila...

[davidebeatrice]

when i check my box which my tilt came in, it says VGA and QVGA compatible ...

were exactly on the box you can read that? on my tytn II box i cant find...

[Laurentius26]

NICE ONE !!!

Thanks,

Leo :)


As I said, I've copied everything inside the 3 folders into the windows folder, and used the .cab. I've used total commander.

Ah by the way I'm using Leo's V3 diamond rom.

Some screenies:

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/7835/touchflo3dre9.jpg

Unfortunately, nothing happens when I "tap here" :D
Touchflo works as usual.

[aih1977]

how do i install it and which ones do i install. by the way i just want the touchflo settings 3.0.

thanks

It's here:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2238860&postcount=10

[Dredd67]

how do i install it and which ones do i install. by the way i just want the touchflo settings 3.0.

thanks


I don't know, I've copied everithing to windows folder (all the files inside the 3 folders, not the folder themselves) and used the cab.
Also I'm running L26 Diamond V3 rom which has the diamond sys files.

Maybe you don't need the manilla files.

[Isaygarcia]

anyone got this working?. maybe a reg fix or something... ?.. (could anyone make a dump of registry of a Diamond to analyze it?)

[herg62123]

anyone got this working?. maybe a reg fix or something... ?.. (could anyone make a dump of registry of a Diamond to analyze it?)

idsk and myself are working together on manilla and touch 3d. we have about 50 to 75 percent done. we will post an alpha version when ready. please hang in there.

[herg62123]

i can confirm touchflo 3d working but touchflo 3d today plugin is still being worked on.

[davidebeatrice]

idsk and myself are working together on manilla and touch 3d. we have about 50 to 75 percent done. we will post an alpha version when ready. please hang in there.

if you need some help,or a tester, im here...:)

[MasterOfDesasters]

if you need some help,or a tester, im here...:)
I second that. Me too :D

[herg62123]

the problem we are having is where to put the resized pics so touchflo 3d will see and put into the today plugin.

[davidebeatrice]

the problem we are having is where to put the resized pics so touchflo 3d will see and put into the today plugin.

i think you must copy all resized picture in windows folder. but have you created a cab installation file from packages or you are working on beta cab?

EDIT if you are working on manila beta you must copy all picture in \program files\manila\htc\images or something like this...

[herg62123]

i think you must copy all resized picture in windows folder. but have you created a cab installation file from packages or you are working on beta cab?

EDIT if you are working on manila beta you must copy all picture in \program files\manila\htc\images or something like this...

let me try that and see if it works

[davidebeatrice]

I ve made a cab instsallation file from manila package...
after installation this is my today...
the htc logo is'nt a background but i think it's a starting image of manila application: if i tap on the screen the device stop (not freezing) as when it's charging...
now the problem is to resize the images cause the qvga images posted some days ago seems to not work...
i'll post my cab but it's too large...

ithink also my cab is not so good..if someone more skilled than me can help us...

[austinsnyc]

there is already a working Manila cab out there but since we dont have the proper video driver the fps is really slow.

[davidebeatrice]

there is already a working Manila cab out there but since we dont have the proper video driver the fps is really slow.

yes, but the cab there is a beta. i ve made mine from diamond rom...

[DracoLX]

If i'm not mistaken the images for the new version of Manila must be in \\Application Data\Manila. I've hard reseted my phone and i'm not in the mood of instaling it again since it doesn't work.
Anyway... come on guys... this is a start. Where are the "special ones"?

Draco

[herg62123]

yes, but the cab there is a beta. i ve made mine from diamond rom...

hey davidebeatrice drop me a pm with your e-mail and i will sent the resized photos you need.

[davidebeatrice]

hey davidebeatrice drop me a pm with your e-mail and i will sent the resized photos you need.

thx, but i've resized all images from diamond rom...not working..i think we have to patch some system file, and im not able to do that...
thanks anyway...
someone can help us?:)

[herg62123]

thx, but i've resized all images from diamond rom...not working..i think we have to patch some system file, and im not able to do that...
thanks anyway...
someone can help us?:)

idsk and i are working on that

[davidebeatrice]

idsk is working on that

good!!!:) thx!!!
let me know for possible news, please!!!

[herg62123]

it will take a couple days since i am in USA and idsk in FRANCE but we are working it out. give us time is all i ask.

[davidebeatrice]

it will take a couple days since i am in USA and idsk in FRANCE but we are working it out. give us time is aal i ask.
im from ITALY...the magic triangle!!!:D

[ChInEsE ChIcKeN]

any word on the progress of this yet?

[volcomnator999]

any word on the progress of this yet?

lol....they said all they ask for is time....

[fb401]

You guys didn't happen to see Pawel break this down yet have you?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2241412&postcount=33

Not good news...

[herg62123]

i don't care if it is a waste of my time or not. it is my time and this is a challenge for me. i spend my time the way i want to. i chose to see if i and others helping me try and crack manila before manila cracks me.

i have been told my whole life that i would never complete anything.

when someone tells me that it makes me work harder to prove them wrong. this is one of those times. it will be cracked or i will die trying. this is my promise.

[Rayan]

i don't care if it is a waste of my time or not. it is my time and this is a challenge for me. i spend my time the way i want to. i chose to see if i and others helping me try and crack manila before manila cracks me.

i have been told my whole life that i would never complete anything.

when someone tells me that it makes me work harder to prove them wrong. this is one of those times. it will be cracked or i will die trying. this is my promise.

That's the spirit herg!!!

Don't let them discourage you!!!

I applaud your efforts!!!

Cheers!
RayanMX

[slovoflud]

i don't care if it is a waste of my time or not. it is my time and this is a challenge for me. i spend my time the way i want to. i chose to see if i and others helping me try and crack manila before manila cracks me.

i have been told my whole life that i would never complete anything.

when someone tells me that it makes me work harder to prove them wrong. this is one of those times. it will be cracked or i will die trying. this is my promise.

I'm with ya bro! :)

watching the thread closely

[Isaygarcia]

could i get this version? (the cab u made)
for test propuses?

thanx.

[fb401]

i don't care if it is a waste of my time or not. it is my time and this is a challenge for me. i spend my time the way i want to. i chose to see if i and others helping me try and crack manila before manila cracks me.

i have been told my whole life that i would never complete anything.

when someone tells me that it makes me work harder to prove them wrong. this is one of those times. it will be cracked or i will die trying. this is my promise.
I see the fire in you herg.

*Cues "Eye Of The Tiger" theme music*

Go for the gold my friend.

[internetadam4657]

maybe this is just what we need to kickstart the drivers ;)

who knows? maybe there is a way to patch the diamond drivers to work on our devices then touchflo 3d will just fall right into place once we have qvga images that work properly.

(also, in regards to the diamond if i can go offtopic for one second) does anybody else think that the diamond is not THAT great of a design. i think i could scratch that thing just by looking at it, its that glossy. IMO i would have preferred a design style similar to the kaiser, but thats just me :)

[Isaygarcia]

Any news??...

[aonanodad]

Given:


The Diamond has the same MSM7201 chipset as the Tilt, and includes drivers that use the 3D acceleration features of the chipset.
There is also a large, active community of developers who "cook" roms, so identifying the drivers and dll's that perform 3D acceleration is straightforward.
There is an open source Linux implementation of the MSM7201 3D drivers for Android.(http://git.android.com/?p=linux-msm.git;a=tree;f=arch/arm/mach-msm)
Finally, there are lots of people who are passionate about seeing the drivers available.


It just seems to be a matter of a short time before true 3D video drivers are available for the Kaiser and others, based on re-engineering the Diamond drivers.

Who here is working on this?

[herg62123]

Given:


The Diamond has the same MSM7201 chipset as the Tilt, and includes drivers that use the 3D acceleration features of the chipset.
There is also a large, active community of developers who "cook" roms, so identifying the drivers and dll's that perform 3D acceleration is straightforward.
There is an open source Linux implementation of the MSM7201 3D drivers for Android.(http://git.android.com/?p=linux-msm.git;a=tree;f=arch/arm/mach-msm)
Finally, there are lots of people who are passionate about seeing the drivers available.


It just seems to be a matter of a short time before true 3D video drivers are available for the Kaiser and others, based on re-engineering the Diamond drivers.

Who here is working on this?

me and idsk are working on touchflo 3d.

while working on this i found a lot of new stuff like qtv.dll and qtv_mpeg4.dll. they help out a lot on my tilt. now if them improved 3d acceleration i have no way to test.

also by intalling the updated touchflo from diamond my opinnion - my tilt doesn' freeze up nor loose my touch screen response for 2 to 5 secs.

i am thinking on fooling with the diamond dialer but first is touchflo 3d.

anyone know a good way to open a dll file to modify pm me with that info please.

[herg62123]

i am currently missing some dll files.

they are:

efsadu.dll
msjava.dll
ws2.dll



I already have:

aygshell.dll
ossvcs.dll
bthutil.dll
htcapi.dll
ril.dll
cemapi.dll
pimstore.dll
cellcore.dll
phone.dll
libgles_cm.dll
wce_rex.dll
mmtimer.dll
clkregim.dll
wce_pmem.dll
wce_clk.dll
remote_apis_clnt.dll


i can use some help to piece this puzzle together. if you have these or now where i can get them let me know on here or by pm. thanks in advance

[ryncppr]

me and idsk are working on touchflo 3d.

while working on this i found a lot of new stuff like qtv.dll and qtv_mpeg4.dll. they help out a lot on my tilt. now if them improved 3d acceleration i have no way to test.

also by intalling the updated touchflo from diamond my opinnion - my tilt doesn' freeze up nor loose my touch screen response for 2 to 5 secs.

i am thinking on fooling with the diamond dialer but first is touchflo 3d.

anyone know a good way to open a dll file to modify pm me with that info please.

Your using ResHack I am assuming right? It examines all DLL files nicely, though I do not have an idea what to do after opening up the file

[herg62123]

PE Explorer

[herg62123]

i am currently missing some dll files.

they are:

efsadu.dll
msjava.dll
ws2.dll

all i need to find out now is what file to put pics in as well as these missing files.

then i will test to see if touchflo 3d and today screen working as needed.

[takeda240]

*slightl off topic but everyone keeps talking about porting drivers from
all these deviceds that actually work the way they are advertised but it seems everyones just waiting for someone else to make it happen .. if i new a lick of programming i would bust my balls for this cus i feel like i got cheated out of 600$ but on topic i think this is a good idea and very possible much more so than the drivers lol (its too bad we dont have linux running well yet cus the people at ipodlinux did amazing shit with older ipods)(video on a black and white device??? and were complaining anout vga and qvga)

[herg62123]

i want touchflo 3d so bad i am testing different theorys out. if i could find these one file: ws2.dll
and figure on where the hell i need to put the images i think i have figured it out but until then i am at a stand still.

FIRST UPDATE WITH A CAB FILE:

this is a first test of touchflo3d.cab.....bewarned it is still vga

idsk finished it up and here it is

it should be removable from device. meaning no more hard resets needed.

FOUND HERE (http://rapidshare.com/files/119003496/touch_flo_3d_1_.ARM.rar.html)

I TAKE NO RESPONSIBILITIES IF THIS DAMAGES YOUR DEVICE. SO BEWARNED.

[ericmcintire]

i am currently missing some dll files.

they are:

efsadu.dll
msjava.dll
ws2.dll

all i need to find out now is what file to put pics in as well as these missing files.

then i will test to see if touchflo 3d and today screen working as needed.

Here you go man, hope this helps... go get em.

http://clutch-productions.com/msjava.dll
http://clutch-productions.com/efsadu.dll
http://clutch-productions.com/WS2_32.DLL

[nerdo]

i want touchflo 3d so bad i am testing different theorys out. if i could find these one file: ws2.dll
and figure on where the hell i need to put the images i think i have figured it out but until then i am at a stand still.

FIRST UPDATE WITH A CAB FILE:

this is a first test of touchflo3d.cab.....bewarned it is still vga

idsk finished it up and here it is

it should be removable from device. meaning no more hard resets needed.

FOUND HERE (http://rapidshare.com/files/119003496/touch_flo_3d_1_.ARM.rar.html)

I TAKE NO RESPONSIBILITIES IF THIS DAMAGES YOUR DEVICE. SO BEWARNED.

herg62123!

Did you or idsk try this yet? Devices? Initial results?
Anybody else tried this on VGA so far?

Keep up the good work guys :)

[aonanodad]

me and idsk are working on touchflo 3d.

Thanks, herg.

Who is working on reengineering the Diamond drivers?

The reason I ask is that I might be willing to volunteer some time to work on this. I don't want to duplicate someone else's efforts, though.

I am a Windows Video Driver developer, and have been doing reengineering projects for a loooong time. (I helped write the first Phoenix BIOS by reengineering the original IBM PC.)

[davidebeatrice]

i cant find where the cab installs the images...someone can help? thx!

[fb401]

Thanks, herg.

Who is working on reengineering the Diamond drivers?

The reason I ask is that I might be willing to volunteer some time to work on this. I don't want to duplicate someone else's efforts, though.

I am a Windows Video Driver developer, and have been doing reengineering projects for a loooong time. (I helped write the first Phoenix BIOS by reengineering the original IBM PC.)

Could you reengineer a WDM driver for the Intel 915GM/GMS, 910GML Express Chipset Family?

[aonanodad]

Could you reengineer a WDM driver for the Intel 915GM/GMS, 910GML Express Chipset Family?

I'm sure I could, but I'm looking for a hobby, not a job. :)

For a commercial application, you might have worry about copyright laws. Sometimes you would have a group of engineers documenting the system you are reengineering, and a "clean room" group of developers developing the new drivers based on that documentation.

I'm no copyright expert, but even what we do here has copyright implications. We are working here under the assumption that using firmware releases for new versions of the hardware is fair use for older versions of the hardware. I feel comfortable with that because it is to HTC's advantage to have developers here support their customers at no cost to HTC.

[ericmcintire]

I'm sure I could, but I'm looking for a hobby, not a job. :)

For a commercial application, you might have worry about copyright laws. Sometimes you would have a group of engineers documenting the system you are reengineering, and a "clean room" group of developers developing the new drivers based on that documentation.

I'm no copyright expert, but even what we do here has copyright implications. We are working here under the assumption that using firmware releases for new versions of the hardware is fair use for older versions of the hardware. I feel comfortable with that because it is to HTC's advantage to have developers here support their customers at no cost to HTC.

honestly man if you could get our drivers working properly you'd have instant superhero status.. please let me know if I can help

[aonanodad]

honestly man if you could get our drivers working properly you'd have instant superhero status.. please let me know if I can help

Thanks for the encouragement.

I've been thinking about digging into this, but people around here aren't that friendly. Whenever I've tried to ask questions, I've gotten condescending answers. I haven't even been able to figure out who here, if anyone, is working on porting the drivers.

I have started reading the Android drivers and documenting the Qualcomm/ATI IMAGEON hardware in the MSM7201a chip. I have been able to do enough tests, so far, to know that - contrary to some rumors from HTC - the hardware definitely exists in my 7201a-based Tilt.

The trick will be to port the DirectDraw and DirectX/Direct3D drivers and dll's to QVGA. I'm not even sure what interfaces TouchFLO 3D uses... and it doesn't look like anyone around here is willing to provide any information to a newbie.

So, while I'm sure I can do the work... I'm not sure it is worth the hassle. Did I mention that people around here don't seem to be all that friendly?

[nerdo]

Thanks for the encouragement.

I've been thinking about digging into this, but people around here aren't that friendly. Whenever I've tried to ask questions, I've gotten condescending answers. I haven't even been able to figure out who here, if anyone, is working on porting the drivers.

I have started reading the Android drivers and documenting the Qualcomm/ATI IMAGEON hardware in the MSM7201a chip. I have been able to do enough tests, so far, to know that - contrary to some rumors from HTC - the hardware definitely exists in my 7201a-based Tilt.

The trick will be to port the DirectDraw and DirectX/Direct3D drivers and dll's to QVGA. I'm not even sure what interfaces TouchFLO 3D uses... and it doesn't look like anyone around here is willing to provide any information to a newbie.

So, while I'm sure I can do the work... I'm not sure it is worth the hassle. Did I mention that people around here don't seem to be all that friendly?

Hi aonanodad :)

I have no doubt that a person with your knowledge and experience will be of HUGE help to this project. When I read your your 1st post it gave me more hope that we will see a QVGA TouchFlo 3D version soon :)

Here is the deal, I followed this thread with great interest and it seems that the ONLY person on this thread who is working on the issue is herg62123, and he mentioned that he is getting help from another guy in France, idsk.

So kindly aonanodad don't give up yet and try to PM aonanodad and definitely you will get a response.

BTW! if you call yourself a newbie, I really don't what to call myself :o
Keep it going :D

[Jckf]

Thanks for the encouragement.

I've been thinking about digging into this, but people around here aren't that friendly. Whenever I've tried to ask questions, I've gotten condescending answers. I haven't even been able to figure out who here, if anyone, is working on porting the drivers.

I have started reading the Android drivers and documenting the Qualcomm/ATI IMAGEON hardware in the MSM7201a chip. I have been able to do enough tests, so far, to know that - contrary to some rumors from HTC - the hardware definitely exists in my 7201a-based Tilt.

The trick will be to port the DirectDraw and DirectX/Direct3D drivers and dll's to QVGA. I'm not even sure what interfaces TouchFLO 3D uses... and it doesn't look like anyone around here is willing to provide any information to a newbie.

So, while I'm sure I can do the work... I'm not sure it is worth the hassle. Did I mention that people around here don't seem to be all that friendly?

You'd be my hero for life if you managed to harvest my Kaiser's powers. I don't know if its of any help, but you have my encouragement.

[rakdoll]

Thanks, herg.

Who is working on reengineering the Diamond drivers?

The reason I ask is that I might be willing to volunteer some time to work on this. I don't want to duplicate someone else's efforts, though.

I am a Windows Video Driver developer, and have been doing reengineering projects for a loooong time. (I helped write the first Phoenix BIOS by reengineering the original IBM PC.)

I PM:d you with some names. :) Hope that helps! dunno if those guys are up to anything anymore, but its worth the try.

[ericmcintire]

Thanks for the encouragement.

I've been thinking about digging into this, but people around here aren't that friendly. Whenever I've tried to ask questions, I've gotten condescending answers. I haven't even been able to figure out who here, if anyone, is working on porting the drivers.

I have started reading the Android drivers and documenting the Qualcomm/ATI IMAGEON hardware in the MSM7201a chip. I have been able to do enough tests, so far, to know that - contrary to some rumors from HTC - the hardware definitely exists in my 7201a-based Tilt.

The trick will be to port the DirectDraw and DirectX/Direct3D drivers and dll's to QVGA. I'm not even sure what interfaces TouchFLO 3D uses... and it doesn't look like anyone around here is willing to provide any information to a newbie.

So, while I'm sure I can do the work... I'm not sure it is worth the hassle. Did I mention that people around here don't seem to be all that friendly?

haha yeah some of the members here are (understandably) snappy when it comes to helping people out... but you have to understand that 90-95% of people that come on here asking questions are things like "what is a ROM" or "is my radio broken? I can't hear howard stern".. so it's very difficult for them to filter out the people that may actually be able to be of service. But trust me, if you can crack our drivers... you'll be instantly elite.. anyone that can help you with this project has most likely already read this post and will be contacting you soon with information. I'm in the hollywood CA area if you're close I can offer help.

[aonanodad]

haha yeah some of the members here are (understandably) snappy when it comes to helping people out... but you have to understand that 90-95% of people that come on here asking questions are things like "what is a ROM" or "is my radio broken? I can't hear howard stern".. so it's very difficult for them to filter out the people that may actually be able to be of service. But trust me, if you can crack our drivers... you'll be instantly elite.. anyone that can help you with this project has most likely already read this post and will be contacting you soon with information. I'm in the hollywood CA area if you're close I can offer help.

I'm in Boca Raton, FL.

There are approaches, but how quickly this thing can get up and running might depend on what interfaces TouchFLO 3D uses. For example, it might be easier to replace the Direct3D driver with a new driver that implements the Drect3D interface on top of the OpenGL driver from Android. Porting Android's OpenGL to Windows Mobile is helped by the fact that the Android code is open source.

But I would want to decompile the Diamond DirectDraw and Direct3D drivers first, and try to document them. It is possible that the same programmer who wrote the INFINEON Android driver for ATI also wrote the Direct3D driver, so there could be similarities. Often the lowest level code that configures the hardware registers is common, and could give a hint about what needs to be changed to configure the screen size for the Diamond Direct3D drivers.

Most likely Qualcomm did not write the INFINEON drivers - they paid ATI to provide the drivers to them. That is why HTC cannot easily provide the drivers for older hardware - ATI is more interested in selling hardware than in selling drivers. ATI has little interest in making the changes, however minor, and having to test and maintain those drivers for hardware they have already sold. And HTC and Qualcomm don't really understand the concept of providing new software for old phones. A phone is something that people buy, subsidized by a service contract, that they use for two years until the contract runs out. Then they sell the old phone on eBay and get a new subsidized phone.

Apple understands that it ain't the hardware that will make them rich - it is the software. So, until these disposable handset makers figure out they are building an application platform instead of a phone, Apple is going to eat their lunch.

[ericmcintire]

I'm in Boca Raton, FL.

There are approaches, but how quickly this thing can get up and running might depend on what interfaces TouchFLO 3D uses. For example, it might be easier to replace the Direct3D driver with a new driver that implements the Drect3D interface on top of the OpenGL driver from Android. Porting Android's OpenGL to Windows Mobile is helped by the fact that the Android code is open source.

But I would want to decompile the Diamond DirectDraw and Direct3D drivers first, and try to document them. It is possible that the same programmer who wrote the INFINEON Android driver for ATI also wrote the Direct3D driver, so there could be similarities. Often the lowest level code that configures the hardware registers is common, and could give a hint about what needs to be changed to configure the screen size for the Diamond Direct3D drivers.

Most likely Qualcomm did not write the INFINEON drivers - they paid ATI to provide the drivers to them. That is why HTC cannot easily provide the drivers for older hardware - ATI is more interested in selling hardware than in selling drivers. ATI has little interest in making the changes, however minor, and having to test and maintain those drivers for hardware they have already sold. And HTC and Qualcomm don't really understand the concept of providing new software for old phones. A phone is something that people buy, subsidized by a service contract, that they use for two years until the contract runs out. Then they sell the old phone on eBay and get a new subsidized phone.

Apple understands that it ain't the hardware that will make them rich - it is the software. So, until these disposable handset makers figure out they are building an application platform instead of a phone, Apple is going to eat their lunch.

hmmm sounds like you know about 100x more about the topic than I do.. lol.. but if you want to rip apart the diamond rom it is available here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=394985
it has been proven that using some of these drivers signifigantly increases the performance on our phone but not to the full potential by any means... hopefully one of the guys that have been working on this for a while will get a hold of you soon.. let me know if you think I can help somehow.

[herg62123]

Thanks, herg.

Who is working on reengineering the Diamond drivers?

The reason I ask is that I might be willing to volunteer some time to work on this. I don't want to duplicate someone else's efforts, though.

I am a Windows Video Driver developer, and have been doing reengineering projects for a loooong time. (I helped write the first Phoenix BIOS by reengineering the original IBM PC.)

pm me i could use your knowledge and help. thanks in advance.

[rajmagi]

I'm in Boca Raton, FL.

There are approaches, but how quickly this thing can get up and running might depend on what interfaces TouchFLO 3D uses. For example, it might be easier to replace the Direct3D driver with a new driver that implements the Drect3D interface on top of the OpenGL driver from Android. Porting Android's OpenGL to Windows Mobile is helped by the fact that the Android code is open source.

But I would want to decompile the Diamond DirectDraw and Direct3D drivers first, and try to document them. It is possible that the same programmer who wrote the INFINEON Android driver for ATI also wrote the Direct3D driver, so there could be similarities. Often the lowest level code that configures the hardware registers is common, and could give a hint about what needs to be changed to configure the screen size for the Diamond Direct3D drivers.

Most likely Qualcomm did not write the INFINEON drivers - they paid ATI to provide the drivers to them. That is why HTC cannot easily provide the drivers for older hardware - ATI is more interested in selling hardware than in selling drivers. ATI has little interest in making the changes, however minor, and having to test and maintain those drivers for hardware they have already sold. And HTC and Qualcomm don't really understand the concept of providing new software for old phones. A phone is something that people buy, subsidized by a service contract, that they use for two years until the contract runs out. Then they sell the old phone on eBay and get a new subsidized phone.

Apple understands that it ain't the hardware that will make them rich - it is the software. So, until these disposable handset makers figure out they are building an application platform instead of a phone, Apple is going to eat their lunch.

lol,... indeed I chose iPod nano inspite of no FM radio on it....
Hmm I'm an engineer but not an IT engineer, but I do feel that you are able to do this with right team. Hope for your success finding and collaborating with them. I'm noob in XDA, but you may find that the driver issue aren't only in kaiser sub forum, but in others too.

see this if you want to:
polaris:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2218771
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2211984

good luck bro

[cmonex]

Thanks for the encouragement.

I've been thinking about digging into this, but people around here aren't that friendly. Whenever I've tried to ask questions, I've gotten condescending answers. I haven't even been able to figure out who here, if anyone, is working on porting the drivers.

I have started reading the Android drivers and documenting the Qualcomm/ATI IMAGEON hardware in the MSM7201a chip. I have been able to do enough tests, so far, to know that - contrary to some rumors from HTC - the hardware definitely exists in my 7201a-based Tilt.

The trick will be to port the DirectDraw and DirectX/Direct3D drivers and dll's to QVGA. I'm not even sure what interfaces TouchFLO 3D uses... and it doesn't look like anyone around here is willing to provide any information to a newbie.

So, while I'm sure I can do the work... I'm not sure it is worth the hassle. Did I mention that people around here don't seem to be all that friendly?


feel free to visit IRC at irc.freenode.org #xda-devs channel and you can talk to several people there:

Olipro & me, no2chem, Chainfire, NuShrike etc... pof is mostly busy :/

[herg62123]

i think i have figured out our qvga problem. but not the slow frames per second. will post qvga cab, but beware it is still slow like vga cab posted earlier.

[ericmcintire]

i think i have figured out our qvga problem. but not the slow frames per second. will post qvga cab, but beware it is still slow like vga cab posted earlier.

cool man, one step at a time.. post it up!

[herg62123]

cool man, one step at a time.. post it up!

rapidshare no likey me. will try megaupload

[davidebeatrice]

rapidshare no likey me. will try megaupload

news?:) :)

[herg62123]

news?:) :)

currently at work. will upload tonight. sorry for delay.

[davidebeatrice]

currently at work. will upload tonight. sorry for delay.

no problem!!!:)

[jaygriggs]

can't wait
bump bump

[mbarvian]

me neither, let's go

bump

[herg62123]

Back to drawing board.

No images nor qvga.

still working

sorry

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9B2TG8RZ

still no change as you can see

[davidebeatrice]

Back to drawing board.

No images nor qvga.

still working

sorry

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9B2TG8RZ

still no change as you can see

Hi herg...
on my tytnII this new release seems to be faster than the older one...but ive changed rom, now im runnig diamond v5.
by the way, im trying to work on qvga images. ddl files now support this format? in the case where i can put the images? thx!!!

Good work!!!

[davidebeatrice]

Very good work!!!
im now testing and:
* on my tytn II, as you can see in screenshot all tabs are working and much of these run correctly and not so slow given that the prog is in vga mode.
* touching the screen left to right or right to left tabs changes...
* thinking that images in the cab were in vga mode ive copied all images in qvga in all directories, but nothing changed.
* ive been installed diamond album wich works perfectly with image tab: setting an album as default, the tab show correct images!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

resizing the images in qvga mode and setting all dll to work in this mode i think that the program works well!
good work!!!!

[xmoo]

Very good work!!!
im now testing and:
* on my tytn II, as you can see in screenshot all tabs are working and much of these run correctly and not so slow given that the prog is in vga mode.
* touching the screen left to right or right to left tabs changes...
* thinking that images in the cab were in vga mode ive copied all images in qvga in all directories, but nothing changed.
* ive been installed diamond album wich works perfectly with image tab: setting an album as default, the tab show correct images!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

resizing the images in qvga mode and setting all dll to work in this mode i think that the program works well!
good work!!!!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!

[herg62123]

well i am glad that i am making progress. i could use some help on changing dll settings from vga to qvga. anyone knows how to help please pm me

pics should already in cab and installed in windows dir.

[yannick69]

I have extract the cab and look in dll and exe but I can't found informations about resolution... (i'm newb in dll tweak)

[davidebeatrice]

I have extract the cab and look in dll and exe but I can't found informations about resolution... (i'm newb in dll tweak)

sorry but how did you look in dll files?

[yannick69]

I found a soft called ResHacker don't know if i can join it...

[davidebeatrice]

I found a soft called ResHacker don't know if i can join it...

reshacker don't allow to modify dll...as i know...i think it's necessary to decompile...but i 'm not able...

[yannick69]

sorry but i'm not able to modifiy ASM...

[davidebeatrice]

Herg,
how are you working on dlls?

[davidebeatrice]

Herg,
how are you working on dlls?

now im trying to work on dlls with a hex editor...crox your fingers....

[rubinho93]

So it doesn't work when you change the VGA files to half its size with MSCEinf and then build a cab of it?

[meanvulcan]

now im trying to work on dlls with a hex editor...crox your fingers....

Croxing fingers ;)... can't wait for this gang to release something cool.

[ericmcintire]

now im trying to work on dlls with a hex editor...crox your fingers....

Hey man, this program might help too, it's free for 30 days..

http://www.heaventools.com/

[herg62123]

i am at work will not be home till 8pm central time. i will get this working some how. if i do eveyone must donate to my rent-a-hooker for a day foundation. lol

[herg62123]

hmmmmmm....very interesting

[met3ora]

I'll donate to you if you get this working :).

[cbass]

What's interesting?
Did you get it working?
If so, I will tell my girlfriend to call me by your name and tell you about what she was doing!

[ladytoast]

I'd like to hear that! herg62123 is quite a mouthful :p

[herg62123]

asi am going through this file......i am finding out the ppc apps, linux apps, and oracle apps in manila

Still VGA but updated more files to hopefully work.

REMOVED DUE TO INSTALL PROBS

Hope this is better than last version

[yannick69]

hello,

I found that in an other thread... It's dll for qvga manila (for the beta cab)...

I have test to install new cab and change the dll but it didn't seems to work...

[herg62123]

i think we have been doing this all wrong. i have a theory i am not saying anything else till i try it out first.

[ericmcintire]

i think we have been doing this all wrong. i have a theory i am not saying anything else till i try it out first.

hey man, let me know if you want some assistance

[herg62123]

i ould always use help. by playing with this folder of manila goodies......it has come to my conclusion that this new ui is an android ui.

i have been reading about android and android can be used for an ui only app the sits on top of another operating system.....this is what we have here

i am now reading more about android and how to get manila working

[slovoflud]

i ould always use help. by playing with this folder of manila goodies......it has come to my conclusion that this new ui is an android ui.

i have been reading about android and android can be used for an ui only app the sits on top of another operating system.....this is what we have here

i am now reading more about android and how to get manila working

welcome to Android enthusiasts then! :)))

[mbarvian]

Very good work!!!
im now testing and:
* on my tytn II, as you can see in screenshot all tabs are working and much of these run correctly and not so slow given that the prog is in vga mode.
* touching the screen left to right or right to left tabs changes...
* thinking that images in the cab were in vga mode ive copied all images in qvga in all directories, but nothing changed.
* ive been installed diamond album wich works perfectly with image tab: setting an album as default, the tab show correct images!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

resizing the images in qvga mode and setting all dll to work in this mode i think that the program works well!
good work!!!!

where did you get the diamond album from?

[davidebeatrice]

where did you get the diamond album from?

here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=395400) :):)

[opgadgets]

thanks, I was looking for that one too :D

[herg62123]

ok i need some help. where android is a hybrid windows/linux. i understand half of this app, it still has some linux programs i don't understand. if anyone knows linux, specially android code, please help.

[xmoo]

Linux/Andoird questions..... -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396782

[herg62123]

ok back to drawing board touchflo 3d is not android based

[cbass]

You see the zip asas123 put up a few minutes ago?
Trying to decipher what it means.

[herg62123]

based on new info (thanks eric for pointing to the new info) a new cab will be posted with an actual working qvga cab soon.

and htc said we couldn't port the touchflo 3d to other devices and make it qvga.

another lie from htc AGAIN.......(EVIL LAUGH) MAWHHHHHHH MAWHHHHHH MAWHHHHHHHH

[slovoflud]

is that for real? where did you get the info? and who is Eric? :)

based on new info (thanks eric for pointing to the new info) a new cab will be posted with an actual working qvga cab soon.

and htc said we couldn't port the touchflo 3d to other devices and make it qvga.

another lie from htc AGAIN.......(EVIL LAUGH) MAWHHHHHHH MAWHHHHHH MAWHHHHHHHH

[herg62123]

i could tell you but i would have to kill you. lol

i am for real. i will post pics soon with the new files and QVGA size screen.

[slovoflud]

is "soon" today?

i could tell you but i would have to kill you. lol

i am for real. i will post pics soon with the new files and QVGA size screen.

[ericmcintire]

is "soon" today?

he's hoping to have a .cab by saturday... he's got a plan.

[slovoflud]

ok :)

and you are Eric. :)

finally, everything is starting to make sense now :))))
waiting to test the .CAB eagerly
he's hoping to have a .cab by saturday... he's got a plan.

[ericmcintire]

ok :)

and you are Eric. :)

finally, everything is starting to make sense now :))))
waiting to test the .CAB eagerly

well you're more than welcome to jump in where we are and see what you can do with it! I've got it running at 3.5 fps...

[slovoflud]

3.5Fps? so... Manilla is basically TYTNs' own "Crysis" :)

are you offering to betatest? or referring to an older version?

well you're more than welcome to jump in where we are and see what you can do with it! I've got it running at 3.5 fps...

[herg62123]

3.5Fps? so... Manilla is basically TYTNs' own "Crysis" :)

are you offering to betatest? or referring to an older version?

eric was able to help me with some pieces of the manilla puzzle.

cause of his efferts any cabs sted will have mine and his name attached to it.

if it wasn't for those files i would not be were i am at now.

again thanks eric for your help.

[cbass]

You guys fucking rock.

Absolute masters.

[kidnamedAlbert]

so whats the update?

[herg62123]

well you're more than welcome to jump in where we are and see what you can do with it! I've got it running at 3.5 fps...

i am toying with drivers and so far i can get is almost 4fps.

still playing with.

i am using ship rom 3.28(not cooked either).

once cab is ready i will post my cab and updates in a new thread post.

it will be called: "NO LIES: MANILA WORKING ON QVGA DEVICES" or "WHO WANTS QVGA ON THEIR MANILA FLAVORED SCREEN"

i haven't decided which one to name the new thread

[rubinho93]

i am toying with drivers and so far i can get is almost 4fps.

still playing with.

i am using ship rom 3.28(not cooked either).

once cab is ready i will post my cab and updates in a new thread post.

it will be called: "NO LIES: MANILA WORKING ON QVGA DEVICES" or "WHO WANTS QVGA ON THEIR MANILA FLAVORED SCREEN"

i haven't decided which one to name the new thread
I should take the 2nd one, it's very 'impressive' and strong, and everyone wants that ;)

[ericmcintire]

hey herg.. I'm running into a couple of issues with what I've got so far.. Are you having the calander pop up when clicking anywhere on the screen? This may be related to the size of the links still being VGA so that almost anywhere on the screen links to the calender instead of what it should.. also I can't seem to get the other tabs selected by touching them. I've also been trying to utilize the 3-d driver included in the file pack that was uploaded yesterday, but I can't seem to figure out how to activate it... I have the feeling that if we get that driver running properly we might be able to kick up the FPS signifigantly. Let me know the latest, I might not be able to come back on until late tonight but when I can we'll work on it some more. If you wanna send me a beta of what you've got, I can see if running it on one of the newer roms with diamond drivers partially installed will make for some better numbers... I'll PM you my email.

[ericmcintire]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeRRXo6B2pg

This is the goal.

[vijayvasa]

guys,

I thought I would let you know that "HyperDragon III WM6.1 WWE ROM CE OS 5.2.19588 Build 19588.1.1.4 (Diamond ROM)" have some 3d drivers ported on to that rom.And also in that rom, Coreplayer works superbly well, and its the fastest rom currently for Kaiser with diamond rom.

Thought this idea might help you to try ur manila cab on the hyperdragon rom, so that you can see some different results.But one thing is sure, file opening , menu loading and program loading or significantly faster on Hyperdragon rom.

[shinji_73]

You're definetely makin' a great job!

I just would like to ask if the cabwill be a Kaiser prerogative or could be installed also on other QVGA devices (e.g. NIKI)?

Thanks in advance and good luck (really hope you reach your goal)!

[herg62123]

guys,

I thought I would let you know that "HyperDragon III WM6.1 WWE ROM CE OS 5.2.19588 Build 19588.1.1.4 (Diamond ROM)" have some 3d drivers ported on to that rom.And also in that rom, Coreplayer works superbly well, and its the fastest rom currently for Kaiser with diamond rom.

Thought this idea might help you to try ur manila cab on the hyperdragon rom, so that you can see some different results.But one thing is sure, file opening , menu loading and program loading or significantly faster on Hyperdragon rom.

i have a popular rom cooker on board now. i haven't asked yet but i will ask him to cook us up a rom that might be more suiting for manila to run better on. i have sent him a request for certain apps to be installed in it. i think this will help better control and/or use of manila.

[davidebeatrice]

i have a popular rom cooker on board now. i haven't asked yet but i will ask him to cook us up a rom that might be more suiting for manila to run better on. i have sent him a request for certain apps to be installed in it. i think this will help better control and/or use of manila.

i dont understand some thing...now you are working on the manila beta or always on manila from pack? 'cause reading the posts (eric) i think he talk about beta cab version...right?

by the way...when you think youll post a working version?

thx for your great work!

p.s. herg: PM

[herg62123]

eric and i are working on a beta cab and we are working on a package to cook in roms....this is where the rom cooker came in at


but first is to get a perfect working version

[kidnamedAlbert]

herg and eric thanks for your guys hard work.
if this is working i can actually wait to get a diamond.

[herg62123]

we are geting now around 4.15 fps but having probs else where

[vijayvasa]

i have a popular rom cooker on board now. i haven't asked yet but i will ask him to cook us up a rom that might be more suiting for manila to run better on. i have sent him a request for certain apps to be installed in it. i think this will help better control and/or use of manila.

Ahh,,,thats cool then, hopefully even if you guys can get around 10fps , then I guess it would be useful.Anyhow,,,,wish u good luck with the work

[herg62123]

se this post for qvga beta cab file

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=398173

[dumpydooby]

reshacker don't allow to modify dll...as i know...i think it's necessary to decompile...but i 'm not able...
Reshacker is only used for hacking resources.

[slick1226]

Removed-post

[smallprint]

idance yaaaaaaah trick yaaaaaaaaaaah

[cbass]

idance yaaaaaaah trick yaaaaaaaaaaah
Go shower with a toaster.

[JKingDev]

Go shower with a toaster.
Bubble bath would be more reliable.

[bsellmon]

Herg, I almost left this site because of all the foolishness that shows up on here until I read this! I'm not a developer or anything cool like that, but I'll be glad to test or whatever you need, dude...thanx for all the hard work! :-)

[bsellmon]

:-D! sorry forgot to include the original post:

#46 29-05-2008, 01:21 PM
herg62123
Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007
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i don't care if it is a waste of my time or not. it is my time and this is a challenge for me. i spend my time the way i want to. i chose to see if i and others helping me try and crack manila before manila cracks me.

i have been told my whole life that i would never complete anything.

when someone tells me that it makes me work harder to prove them wrong. this is one of those times. it will be cracked or i will die trying. this is my promise.


I have to say again, you guys are rock stars!!

[rensvk]

well i am glad that i am making progress. i could use some help on changing dll settings from vga to qvga. anyone knows how to help please pm me

pics should already in cab and installed in windows dir.

search in the dll for 640 and 480 maybe you can change them then to 320*240

[rensvk]

I Found the 3d OPENGL ES drivers who are working with the TF3D qvga.

the link for Kaiser and Nike is: Kaiser 3D Driver (http://www.htcclassaction.org/download/HTC-CA-Kaiser-Drivers.cab)

it works with tf3d with almost no lag but i'm running a beta version. In this version everywhere is IDS_<link name>, is there a newer version of tf3d
or an update or something? Also the music and pictures tab don't work.
(sorry for my bad english)
I hope you can use the 3d drivers.

Me

[johansons]

Hi guys, is TF3D working well? Cant wait to try! Having screen freeze or cant sleep or wutsoever?

[carcomp]

Where do we stand right now with this? It seems like everyone is going in all directions at once, reinventing the wheel so to speak.

Is there a combination of things that works? Which rom? Which cabs? Etc.

Can someone post how they got manila 3D going?

(BTW i'm not even sure IF anyone did get it going. I'm just assuming SOMEONE did)

[RxenDrav]

tf3d for kaiser already discussed hundred times. take a look here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=465507

and here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=567689

i believe htc released manila2d v2. its has floping clock.
there is ROM already with that, try it:rolleyes: